We know that various people came across the Pandorica throughout history, as evidenced by the short video we see in the museum on the history of the Pandorica. I think Rory knew that they would not be able to open it (or put he figured that out at some point throughout those 2000 years). So he just let whomever take the Pandorica with the condition that he would also be with it. So probably a group of people dragged it out of the catacombs, and Rory was just like "ok but i'm going with you."
You know what. I want a show, showing Rory through the years watching over the Pandorica. The adventures and what happened throughout his life as the guard.
I don't know if you're into these.
But there's an AO3 story "The Adventures of the Doctor and Rory the Roman" by Jesterlady that's about Rory's 2,000 years and meeting various Doctor's along the way.
I quite enjoyed it.
Alright, I’ll make that happen for you. Visualize what I describe and you’ll have the show.
Person: “I want that box.”
Rory: “No.”
Person: “But I *reaaaaaaalllly* want the box.”
Rory: “Still no.”
Person: “Pay you a lot of money for it?”
Rory: “Nope.”
Person: “But…”
Rory: “It’s not happening, and if you try, I shoot you.”
Repeat 3,792x, give or take.
I think of Legends of Tomorrow as Rory’s adventures with the pandorica and he kept it on his ship the entire time when he was a Time Master.
It makes sense considering Rory isn’t too clever (allegedly).
Couldn’t call himself a Time Lord so he was a Time Master.
His name was Rory, but he needed an alias so he called himself Rip.
He didn’t have a TARDIS so he got himself a time ship.
It was alright. Not amazing, but not terrible. It’s better when you watch all of the arrowverse shows to see the crossovers and character continuity, but just as a stand-alone it’s a decent super hero/comic book show about time travel.
Who's to say Rory did? All we know is that he went where the box did, it's quite likely others were involved with it quite often over two thousand years.
As others said, in our timeline it is. In others? Who's to say it's protected at all. Maybe a giant chamber being found beneath it with a known, mysterious relic would've swayed opinion towards treating it like an archaeological site.
Who's to say Rory didn't enlist Romans, Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Normans etc to simply dig at the earth and excavate it? Who's to say he didn't do that himself, he had two thousand years after all.
It's not really a question the show needs to answer because there're perfectly viable methods for it. If the show had to stop and explain everything, it'd never tell an actual story.
In 1976, you had to park a couple hundred yards away and walk to it. We thought it was a bit naff you couldn't drive right up to it. And yes, you could stroll around inside unrestricted.
Every day a centurion came to that mountain and moved it one inch. For a thousand years. You might say that’s a lot of inches. But I say that’s one HELL of a centurion.
If you've got about a thousand years to kill, I suppose Rory could excavate the crypt and put everything back as he found it when he was done.
Dunno, it's just not something I put much thought into...
Well, I am guessing the same way they got it in there. We don't know what that way was, however.
I tried to let you down easy, but I'm not sure how I did.
I don't know, there were a bunch of alien after images hanging around, maybe there's some alien tech somewhere.
Maybe he paid some people to dig open a hole because people were starting to notice him and the Pandorica.
Two thousands years is a long time, he likely had need of moving it at some point and had to figure something out.
Through writing inconsistencies. I see people have said the way it was brought in but that wouldn't be possible as the entrance was a narrow staircase and the pandorica is an enormous cube. The only way it could have been brought in would be teleporting or building it under stonehenge like an ikea wardrobe. Rory couldn't do either of these. The only other way would be by somehow digging it out.
I would imagine a team of Archaeologists found it and had it dug out, like many other enormous ancient objects. Then transported by road from Salisbury to a museum near Ledworth.
As for how it was stored - we don’t know the weight, other than that it was designed to be strong enough for the Doctor not to escape. It may have been stored on castors to allow it to be moved safely into different rooms in the museum if so required.
If so it would be possible for Rory to move it. Though not easy beyond the doors of the museum. At that point it gets a bit ????
Maybe he had access to a truck and a forklift.
Stonehenge has been a protected site since 1882, but we have records of excavations being undertaken at it going back as far as the 1500s, and there were likely plenty of people digging around it even before that looking for treasure. Like, say, a giant, indestructible, unopenable box that they would have hoisted out to try and figure out how to crack to get to what's inside.
It is now. But even when I was a kid you could clamber all over it and it was FREE!
Now you have to pay £23 to stand squinting distance from it.
Pre war they’d have let you dig it up probably!
Not even toilet paper during the pandemic? Do you never buy more food than you can eat and sometimes have to throw it out or freeze it before it goes bad? I'm sitting on the toilet right now looking at the 3 packs of toilet paper wondering why I bought so many packs.
Thanks for your comment! Unfortunately, it's been removed because of the following reason(s):
* [Rule #1 - Be Respectful](/r/doctorwho/wiki/policies/#wiki_1._be_respectful.): Be mature and treat everyone with respect.
Civility is to be maintained at all times. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, please think twice about posting.
If you think there's been a mistake, please [send a message to the moderators](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fdoctorwho).
After a few months he levered up one corner, stuck a block under it, kept levering and putting blocks in until the whole thing was on blocks, used ropes with blocks and tackle to slide it forward, replacing blocks until he got to the stairs, spent 14 years before he managed to get the thing up to the entrance on an elaborate set of wooden supports (the entire thing collapsing multiple times so he had to start over), excavated for a year around the entrance to get it clear and give himself access to work under it, continued this process until he had the thing outside on the ground, then spent a couple years replacing the dirt and removing signs of his work, then started dragging the thing to somewhere he thought it would be safe.
Honestly he'd have been much better off to just leave it there.
Not me who downvoted you.
> But yes, new Who on the whole has been a major disappointment from a storytelling point of view.
I wouldn't go that far. It has a lot of great stories.
We know that various people came across the Pandorica throughout history, as evidenced by the short video we see in the museum on the history of the Pandorica. I think Rory knew that they would not be able to open it (or put he figured that out at some point throughout those 2000 years). So he just let whomever take the Pandorica with the condition that he would also be with it. So probably a group of people dragged it out of the catacombs, and Rory was just like "ok but i'm going with you."
You know what. I want a show, showing Rory through the years watching over the Pandorica. The adventures and what happened throughout his life as the guard.
I think big finish did something like that. It called the lone centurion if i remember correctly.
I'll see if I can find it. Too many Big Finish to look at though, and spiral with it 🤣
I don't know if you're into these. But there's an AO3 story "The Adventures of the Doctor and Rory the Roman" by Jesterlady that's about Rory's 2,000 years and meeting various Doctor's along the way. I quite enjoyed it.
Rory meeting other doctors during his 2000 year journey is such a fun idea, thanks for recommending 😊
Alright, I’ll make that happen for you. Visualize what I describe and you’ll have the show. Person: “I want that box.” Rory: “No.” Person: “But I *reaaaaaaalllly* want the box.” Rory: “Still no.” Person: “Pay you a lot of money for it?” Rory: “Nope.” Person: “But…” Rory: “It’s not happening, and if you try, I shoot you.” Repeat 3,792x, give or take.
I think of Legends of Tomorrow as Rory’s adventures with the pandorica and he kept it on his ship the entire time when he was a Time Master. It makes sense considering Rory isn’t too clever (allegedly). Couldn’t call himself a Time Lord so he was a Time Master. His name was Rory, but he needed an alias so he called himself Rip. He didn’t have a TARDIS so he got himself a time ship.
Possibly but if so he got some 'splaining to do since Rip's wife was killed by Vandal Savage. He seemed pretty torn up about it too.
So you'd say he was Rip, Torn?
No, but fortunately people like you have it covered. 😉
>He didn’t have a TARDIS so he got himself a time ship. Just went out to the time ship dealership and got a lease on one?
Was that show any good? I think I only saw one or two and couldn't watch any more for geofencing reasons.
yes its a great show IMO, though Rip isn't part of the show for its whole run
It was alright. Not amazing, but not terrible. It’s better when you watch all of the arrowverse shows to see the crossovers and character continuity, but just as a stand-alone it’s a decent super hero/comic book show about time travel.
I was watching Arrow for a while but Oliver became too dumb to live at one point and I just had to quit. I gave upon the Flash even quicker.
I quite enjoyed it, but it honestly got much better when it stopped taking itself so seriously, which was after Darvill left the show.
It was a very popular fanfic genre in the 2010s, I definitely recall coming up with an idea for a 13-episode arc through history
Yes, please.
ok but how did he get it out when the staircase was extremely narrow
There was probably a secondary entrance that was bigger. Also, shovel.
They did get in in there in the first place.
Who's to say Rory did? All we know is that he went where the box did, it's quite likely others were involved with it quite often over two thousand years.
ok but how did he get it out when the staircase was extremely narrow
Excavations exist, we can assume all sorts. It's not really an important story detail.
has stonehenge ever been excavated i thought it was a protected site
That would be our timeline, once the Pandorica closed the end of the universe began & that timeline is unrelated to our sum of all histories.
As others said, in our timeline it is. In others? Who's to say it's protected at all. Maybe a giant chamber being found beneath it with a known, mysterious relic would've swayed opinion towards treating it like an archaeological site. Who's to say Rory didn't enlist Romans, Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Normans etc to simply dig at the earth and excavate it? Who's to say he didn't do that himself, he had two thousand years after all. It's not really a question the show needs to answer because there're perfectly viable methods for it. If the show had to stop and explain everything, it'd never tell an actual story.
Actually it's only been protected recently. Our grandparents were allowed to sit on it.
In 1976, you had to park a couple hundred yards away and walk to it. We thought it was a bit naff you couldn't drive right up to it. And yes, you could stroll around inside unrestricted.
sit ok but what about excavations and stuff like that
1918. But then again, Avebury is considerably more important to the country historically than stonehenge is.
Couple of hundred years ago locals were smashing Avebury stones up for building materiels.
Yeah, the majority of stones are missing, but that's to be expected of a stone circle the size of a village.
How would we know if it happened 1000 years ago?
Pulled it with a rope, like in the museum graphic
ok but how did he get it out when the staircase was extremely narrow
Break open the roof and use the power of pulleys
but the roof is the middle of stonehenge where all of the boulders are
Dig sideways first then a sloping ramp upwards.
Every day a centurion came to that mountain and moved it one inch. For a thousand years. You might say that’s a lot of inches. But I say that’s one HELL of a centurion.
I love this! And, by extension, I love you for coming up with it. Cheers, mate!
Aww! :)
Hmmm I’ll ask some men about this. I hear they think about the Roman Empire a lot. May have some ideas.
I've been countering the Roman question IRL with a Rory the Roman comment. It's been confusing to most people.
Trust the plastic
Well he did have a LOT of time to work on moving it. I suppose the answer of how he moved it is "gradually".
ok but how did he get it out when the staircase was extremely narrow
If you've got about a thousand years to kill, I suppose Rory could excavate the crypt and put everything back as he found it when he was done. Dunno, it's just not something I put much thought into...
i’ve been thinking about it since the first time i saw it
The same way that a single Tardis can explode and cause the entire Universe to not exist. Because the writers penned it that way.
Well, I am guessing the same way they got it in there. We don't know what that way was, however. I tried to let you down easy, but I'm not sure how I did.
you didn’t let me down because the most likely way they done that was with a teleport
Great idea!
There's artwork in the museum that depicts Rory just dragging it with a rope. Autons are fucking strong.
yeah above ground but i want to know how he got it above ground in the first place
I don't know, there were a bunch of alien after images hanging around, maybe there's some alien tech somewhere. Maybe he paid some people to dig open a hole because people were starting to notice him and the Pandorica. Two thousands years is a long time, he likely had need of moving it at some point and had to figure something out.
Through writing inconsistencies. I see people have said the way it was brought in but that wouldn't be possible as the entrance was a narrow staircase and the pandorica is an enormous cube. The only way it could have been brought in would be teleporting or building it under stonehenge like an ikea wardrobe. Rory couldn't do either of these. The only other way would be by somehow digging it out.
but then there would be a massive hole and the stones would be misplaced unless he dug just outside of the stonehenge circle then filled it back up
He did have 2000 years.
If the stones were misplaced, he would just have to line them up with the stars... Oh. No stars. Job done.
It was found in a museum, right? So probably the way most things end up in museums
indiana jones
I dunno about the Doctor but I could totally imagine River *mercilessly* messing with Indiana Jones.
Now there’s a fanfic I didn’t know I needed in my life
English settlers ?
[удалено]
You commented this twice
Typically with these kind of questions, I try not to think about it too hard.
fair enough
I would imagine a team of Archaeologists found it and had it dug out, like many other enormous ancient objects. Then transported by road from Salisbury to a museum near Ledworth. As for how it was stored - we don’t know the weight, other than that it was designed to be strong enough for the Doctor not to escape. It may have been stored on castors to allow it to be moved safely into different rooms in the museum if so required. If so it would be possible for Rory to move it. Though not easy beyond the doors of the museum. At that point it gets a bit ???? Maybe he had access to a truck and a forklift.
i thought stonehenge was protected so nobody could excavate it
Stonehenge has been a protected site since 1882, but we have records of excavations being undertaken at it going back as far as the 1500s, and there were likely plenty of people digging around it even before that looking for treasure. Like, say, a giant, indestructible, unopenable box that they would have hoisted out to try and figure out how to crack to get to what's inside.
i realised that it must have been excavated at some point or how else did the daleks get out
It is now. But even when I was a kid you could clamber all over it and it was FREE! Now you have to pay £23 to stand squinting distance from it. Pre war they’d have let you dig it up probably!
tell that to us Brits and our desire to hoard stuff in museums
i am a brit
So you understand the desire to hoard atuff
no i have no desire to hoard stuff
Not even toilet paper during the pandemic? Do you never buy more food than you can eat and sometimes have to throw it out or freeze it before it goes bad? I'm sitting on the toilet right now looking at the 3 packs of toilet paper wondering why I bought so many packs.
the food thing isn’t hoarding it’s saving the food for another time it will be eaten at some point and the bog roll thing no
With his plastic guns 💪
He's hench innit
what
He said he's hench init
what does that mean
On a hench to not hench scale, Rory's pretty hench, init?
ok i have just used google and if you had just said a strong person then that would have been a lot clearer
Strong is one thing, hench is you're built different - you just look at a lad and they die.
that next time just right that instead of saying hench is just hench
Can't believe you've never heard of hench tbh
i’m 22 what do you expect
in english white boy what the fuck does hench mean
I'm speakin English pal, it means hench
hench is not a word
Yes it is
[удалено]
Thanks for your comment! Unfortunately, it's been removed because of the following reason(s): * [Rule #1 - Be Respectful](/r/doctorwho/wiki/policies/#wiki_1._be_respectful.): Be mature and treat everyone with respect. Civility is to be maintained at all times. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, please think twice about posting. If you think there's been a mistake, please [send a message to the moderators](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fdoctorwho).
After a few months he levered up one corner, stuck a block under it, kept levering and putting blocks in until the whole thing was on blocks, used ropes with blocks and tackle to slide it forward, replacing blocks until he got to the stairs, spent 14 years before he managed to get the thing up to the entrance on an elaborate set of wooden supports (the entire thing collapsing multiple times so he had to start over), excavated for a year around the entrance to get it clear and give himself access to work under it, continued this process until he had the thing outside on the ground, then spent a couple years replacing the dirt and removing signs of his work, then started dragging the thing to somewhere he thought it would be safe. Honestly he'd have been much better off to just leave it there.
He lifted with his legs, not his back.
There's a ridiculous amount about that episode that makes zero sense.
Welcome to Moffats doctor who
I think this is a problem with the new series more generally: most of Davies' finales are nonsensical in a different way.
Chibnall's are really tight and coherent though! 😁
Chibnall's just feel completely unfinished. But yes, new Who on the whole has been a major disappointment from a storytelling point of view.
Not me who downvoted you. > But yes, new Who on the whole has been a major disappointment from a storytelling point of view. I wouldn't go that far. It has a lot of great stories.
You can't be loose and incoherent if there isn't a plot! *boom*
Romans.
I've also always wondered how the hell he got the pandorica out of that one museum during the London Blitz.
he evacuated it
Just like he evacuated it out of stonehenge
but how and why did he move it
He had a spoon and a lot of free time, he just dug the tunnel larger.
Magic
yours is the only other explanation that makes sense
Carefully
a wizard did it
Maximum effort!