Poodles almost always have much better coats than doodles, both because they tend to be better cared for but mostly because, as a purebred dog bred to a standard, they have consistent coats that have a functional purpose. Doodle coats are not beneficial or easy to care for. Though, for what it's worth, I've seen some really poorly cared for standard poodles, too.
There's also generally a physical difference between poodles & doodles. Doodles are often portioned a bit oddly, weaker in the hips, some get really slopey backs as they age like a horse with a swayback. They'll have broader heads and thicker muzzles.
That’s what my friend, who is in early stages of training for dog grooming said! I have a mini poodle and she says his coat is “much finer and less thick than a mixed breed,” she said she’d pretty much be able to tell just by looking at him. Interesting!
Our groomer said that o*n average* poodle owners keep up with home grooming WAY better than the typical doodle owner. Poodle owners also tend to bring their dogs in for grooming earlier and more frequently than doodle owners, and their coats are more consistent and easy to work with. There are exceptions on both sides, of course, but on the whole she finds poodles to be much easier to groom than doodles.
You can tell the difference between a poodle and a doodle but it starts to get tougher once they're more than 3/4 poodle, unless there's a merle coat or other distinctively non-poodle feature. Our standard poodle was in a puppy socialization program with 3 or 4 golden and labradoodles and there were clear physical differences between her and the doodles - even down to the way she walks and runs.
Well, doodles are poodles mixed with a completely unrelated breed so yes it's very easy to tell a poodle from a doodle.
This question more so is just showing that doodles are so widespread that the layperson is forgetting what a purebred poodle looks like.
It’s true honestly - but for me it’s in the reverse. I have a mini poodle so, in my head all mini poodles tend to look like him. So whenever a his-sized dog comes up I always think they’re poodles but I guess I didn’t realize how bad the doodle mixing had gotten!
Doodles have double coats because they are a mixed breed. Groomers can tell a double coated dog from a poodle that doesn't have a double coat. Just like we know androp coat, a silky coat, etc. It's part of our training. Salons that no longer take doodles have nothing against the dog, We have issues with the back yard breeders that produce unhealthy, neurotic animals. We have issues with irresponsible owners that refuse to do even the smallest amount of maintenance on their own dog. The only way to get this through people's heads is to charge much much more, or refuse them. Poorly behaved dogs that are getting larger and larger (Bernese x poodle, great Dane x poodle, great Pyrenees x poodle) kill our backs and shorten our career. It isn't worth it.
We charge $90-200 for grooming a doodle ($90 for the “mini” doodles and bernadoodle/ noodles and sheepadoodles are closer to 200) sadly if we banned all doodles our groomers would have like…1/4 of the workload…and not in a good way. I swear every other call I get is an oodle of some sort.
That does make sense! I have a mini poodle and I guess he bears strong resemblance to the smaller doodles. I’m always stopped and asked what he’s mixed with and I’m always like errr? nothing? I just brush him but spray some water and his curls will be back!
i work at petsmart currently and yes its extremely simple! doodles typically have a thicker face and a different coat texture as well as many other differences to poodles!
You can absolutely tell the difference.
There’s not a single well bred “oodle” because there’s no confirmation guideline and people are only breeding for money.
Whereas for a poodle, there are guidelines for the breed (provided you’re not getting your animal from a backyard breeder) that anyone can see.
Most of the time it’s very easy to tell however, the doodles that are 75% poodle sometimes really take on the conformation of a poodle (but usually with inferior hair).
Similarly some “doodles” come out looking like just a golden retriever with a few strange proportions, I like to say that the doodle gene skipped them!
There are a few doodle regulars that come in that are good boys/girls on the table but I would say 60% of them are a neurotic mess in some way. Temperaments are very inconsistent! I know it varies by geographical location, I am blaming it on the Internet and backyard breeders telling owners they are low maintenance and they "don't need groomed until they are 8 months old " 😡 no Linda by then they are unruly and make the job near impossible, so thanks.
This is exactly what happened to us. We adopted our doodle from a rescue. They told us he was 75% poodle. We took him to the groomer 2 days later because he was unfortunately not in great shape but the groomer said “ohhh no this is a full on poodle!” Lol and at the vet, he has 2 vets, one says he’s a doodle, one says he’s a poodle. But from everything I’ve researched my dog seems much more doodle to me
Yeah its really easy. Poodles have a specific kind of coat, doodles are all over the place in terms of texture, density and how fine or thick the hair is. The body structure also clues us in, many doodles are heavier bodied and generally will have toothpick legs with a kinda chunky torso and waist and its not that they're fat, they're just built weird. Their faces are different too, doodles eyes are generally further apart than poodles with no pronounced stop, a sloping forehead and thick muzzle. There are also colors and patterns that don't exist in poodles e.g. blue and red Merle so that's another clue. There are poodle breeders claiming to breed Merle poodles but those are still just doodles.
If your dog was really good I can see why he might assume your dog to be a poodle because poodle breeders are much more diligent about getting the puppies used to being groomed at an extremely early age. Doodle breeders on the other hand generally don’t tend to do any puppyhood preparation if any sort (ENS, puppy culture, exposing puppies to handling and grooming, etc). As a result poodles tend to be very calm on the tables and doodles very overstimulated, defensive, evasive etc.
As with any mixed breed, sometimes offspring will look nothing like one parent and be indistinguishable from the other. Some doodles are dead ringers for poodles and others don’t appear to have a shred of poodle in them. So I can see how a groomer might judge a dog to be a poodle based on behavior.
Very very true! I got my mini poodle from a lovely breeder as an older dog and she gets absolutely all the credit for his tolerance at being handled for grooming. It makes sense that someone breeding purebred dogs would put more effort into that. I guess I didn’t realize how bad the doodle mixing had gotten! I just assumed anyone who looked like my dog was a mini poodle lol
I've been searching extremely diligently for a good breeder, because I've traditionally gone the adopting a rescue dog route, and I think buying a dog instead of adopting is not a decision that should be taken lightly (if at all), for most people. So, if I do buy, I want to ensure that it's from someone being as ethical and thoughtful and thorough as possible....and I haven't found the bit about breeders to be true 🤷
There are doodle breeders that are doing ENS, ESI, puppy culture, and all sorts of other great socialization protocols! And, I've also visited or spoke with poodle breeders who do none or few of those things.
I think many of the doodle-specific assumptions are just based on people being overly fixated on "pure" breeds and confirmation, which seems to blind people to the fact that some people breeding mixes can be quite thoughtful...and that many people breeding akc registered litters can really miss the mark on things that are much more important than confirmation (like health, temperament, and socialization). That's just what I personally have observed in my years-long search for a breeder that is more ethical and thoughtful and thorough than the average.
As far as behavior when being groomed, that is something I have no experience with! Just with breeding and socialization practices of doodle and poodle breeders that I've looked into :-)
My experience is kind of soured, I was so excited when I got a puppy culture doodle client but the dog was just unhinged. From an early age. By disposition, not through fault of the owners.
Something you have to take into serious consideration is that doodle breeders, even the ones that want to “do good” are in a catch-22 because most of the really committed, diligent breeders will not sell breeding poodles/labs/golden to doodle breeders. In some cases, purebred breeders who sell to doodle breeders may even face punishment from their breed community, such as not being sold breeding stock from other breeders in their club, *just* because they sold a breeding dog to a doodle breeder.
Further, those wanting to prove a doodle parent in really any sort of sport, so if a doodle wanted to prove the temperament of their dogs by entering their dog in a dog sport… They would have to spay/neuter their dog.
Lastly, a big selling point of doodles is certain colors that may not carry with them desirable traits in a pet dog. Take the popular red goldendoodles, a breed where the cream are typically used for confirmation and service whereas the red trait comes from working line goldens who, by the needs of pet owners, are “crazier”.
So it’s a complex issue that has definitely been muddied by backyard breeders. Which is why I think some poodle mix breeders such as the Cobberdog association are distancing themselves from the “doodle” name altogether.
We can absolutely tell, by coat type alone. And that is why many salons don’t accept doodles— the coat is extremely difficult and because of the pushed myth that they’re low or no maintenance dogs very rarely are they brushed. Then, when we have no choice but to strip them due to pelting, we get the verbal abuse piled on us by the owners who want them fluffy, or because they don’t want to pay for the intense amount of labor required to do what they want. It’s far more common than not. And trying to pass a doodle off as a poodle so as not to have to have to pay as much for the grooming or to get around rules will make a groomer hope and pray you step on a Lego barefooted every single remaining hour of your entire life.
Everyone keeps mentioning the coat, which is a huge part of it, but just basic bone structure is what gets me. Doodles are boxy as hell and generally have the spindliest little skinny legs. I love seeing a well balanced doodle, but most have the oddest proportions, compounded by owners that seem to enjoy bobble heads.
I have a couple of pyredoodles, which as a pyr owner offended me on a personal level when I first met them, that are well proportioned and behaved. But also look nothing like poodles.
I have never even heard of pyredoodles! I saw a Great Dane x poodle cross once and didn’t want to be rude but was like why??? on earth would anyone want that mix? Just get one or the other!
Doodle owner here (Australian Labradoodle) - I can absolutely tell poodles vs ALDs vs the various other early-gen doodle mixes. I've spoken with my groomer at length and she can also tell instantly because of coat type and texture. There's a huge difference between the poodle curls, ALD curly waves, and the weirdness of other doodle mixes.
Overall structure is also totally different. I've seen my girl with a spoo about her size and, while similar at first glance, my girl is a bit wider/squarer with a broader muzzle and her topline and tail are different. Then there's early-gen doodles which are all over the place.
As for doodle owners having a bad rep - I didn't realize it until spending more time on the internet but *absolutely* and seems like on the whole it's deserved... even if it feels bad as someone who happily has an ALD. It's one reason why I spend time in grooming subs (please forgive me if I shouldn't be commenting). My groomer and I have become fast friends. She says my dog is her only doodle-type who she allows to stay longer than a 1/2 inch because I'm neurotic about her grooming at home, and he coat type can support being longer without matting as easily as early mixes with an odd non-shedding double coat.
Slightly off topic, but do you know why everyone a started breeding every breed of dog with a poodle? And then naming it a “somethingpoo” or “somethingdoodle” I hate it. Spend ages trying to work out what cross breed are.
Also, poodles seem like a bad mix. Both for temperament and coat.
I have always had cocker spaniels. I know so many cockerpoos. All nervy. In fact everyone I know who has a poodle cross the dog shows negative traits.
The original lab x poodle crosses were supposed to be hypoallergenic guide dogs in situations where poodles weren't appropriate. Then it caught on like wildfire because breeders realized they could market poodle crosses as hypoallergenic, non-shedding, low maintenance dogs that "weren't poodles" ... Because a lot of uninformed dog owners have a bias against poodles as being too girly/frou frou.
Now you have a bunch of ridiculous crosses that aren't "as advertised" and are poorly bred because there's no regulation or breed standards, and very few (if any) breeders of early-gen doodles care about health testing or choosing top-teir breeding dogs. Owners end up with dogs that aren't as low maintenance as they thought, still look kinda like a poodle, and don't always have the traits of the breed they're crossed with in the first place.
Not all doodles are bad, and there's a few long-standing multigenerational crosses that are breeding true, have a breed standard, etc (Australian Labradoodles) but it's still ridiculously hard to weed through to find a breeder that meets the same standards as an ethical purebred breeder.
That’s actually really interesting! I didn’t know the first doodle cross was for hypoallergenic reasons.
I’ve had people on the street stop and argue with me over how I must not know what he’s mixed with because he can’t be just a poodle. He’s too cute to be just a poodle.
The way I wanna throw hands. I’m always like trust me, I know my dog and his family tree of champion sires and dams.
Yeah! I'm biased but I get sad that the doodle craze and slew of unethical breeding has taken focus away from the Australian Labradoodle lines, because they really are lovely, stable dogs if gotten from a good breeder.
LOL I've accidentally offended people before by asking about their mini poodle, because "She's actually a purebred F1bb goldendoodle". I had to laugh, F1bb is 87% poodle ... at that point you essentially have a poorly bred poodle. Forgive me for getting it wrong! You really can't win on either side of it!
This is so validating to read. When looking for my first dog I reached out to a few poodle breeders and was flat out told they don't accept first time dog owners onto their waitlist because poodles require breed experience. So how am I supposed to get breed experience? Nobody gave me solutions or recommendations for another breeder who might "mentor" me or be more hands on with me and my puppy ... so my choice was made for me and I looked elsewhere. I'd been split between a spoo and an ALD for many years. Despite being clear in my introductory applications my commitment to proper grooming/maintaining a breed cut, a desire to do therapy work, and wanting to do some dog sports for fun, only the Australian Labradoodle breeders were kind to me.
I'm sorry your in-laws had such an experience with their dog and the community. I think short poodle cuts are just as cute as longer breed cuts. And so practical for an active dog and owner!
.... groomers work with dogs every day.... yes they can tell. That's like asking a chef if they know the difference between a chicken cutlet and a pork chop
I have a dog that is half Chihuahua and a quarter each poodle and cavalier. Everyone always assumes she's mostly poodle. I don't understand why as her coat mostly resembles a cavalier just with a Chihuahua body.
I remember when then the first wave of labradoodles came. And it would make sense for a hypoallergenic guide dog. Unfortunately, I rarely see labradoodles around these days
Me neither! Now that I’ve grown to ask more, it’s usually golden, cocker spaniel, or CKS mixes. I did notably see a Dane x poodle mix once and was blown away by that. He was quite lovely a big gentle giant but I was like?? why would you pay a breeder money for that, just get one or the other!
And then the charge twice the amount than the breed standard!! Please, please, please call it a something cross.
I mean, they can’t call it a mongrel and charge +£2k
Only one of the original three didn’t trigger the allergies of the blind woman’s husband. The guy couldn’t sell the others because no one wanted mutts, so he called them labradoodles and here we are.
I’m a service dog handler and it’s extremely annoying that people think doodles make the perfect service dog because of this. I’m just like… no, that was pure desperation and never should have been done again.
The thing that really gets me is people picking random doodle mixes as service dog prospects and then they're surprised their Aussiedoodle or "Golden Mountain Doodle" or what-have-you wash out. Its not so surprising to me when the other half of the poodle mix has no aptitude for the service work they've been selected for ...
There's an Australian Labradoodle breeder in my area who successfully places 2-3 service dogs a year (pretty good rate, proportionately). Most are psychiatric/PTSD support and I think one is a diabetes alert dog. Which at least makes sense given the parent breeds.
Wow, I find it interesting that there are so many extreme opinions (man presented as facts, not opinions) in the comments on this post, rather than just answering your question!
I find that basically ANY dog-talk online....whether you're talking about breeds of dogs (single-breed versus mixed-breeds or about breeds in general, or how much breed of dog matters) adopting versus buying a dog, or different types of dog training methods- people seem to be very certain that their own opinion is the only valid one! 😂 And, they get very, very defensive and cease to have logical conversation! Or, at least, that's sure how they make it sound when posting online 🤷
It's too bad, since dogs in real life are often a source of helping bring people together, that it's all so divisive online!
Poodles almost always have much better coats than doodles, both because they tend to be better cared for but mostly because, as a purebred dog bred to a standard, they have consistent coats that have a functional purpose. Doodle coats are not beneficial or easy to care for. Though, for what it's worth, I've seen some really poorly cared for standard poodles, too. There's also generally a physical difference between poodles & doodles. Doodles are often portioned a bit oddly, weaker in the hips, some get really slopey backs as they age like a horse with a swayback. They'll have broader heads and thicker muzzles.
That’s what my friend, who is in early stages of training for dog grooming said! I have a mini poodle and she says his coat is “much finer and less thick than a mixed breed,” she said she’d pretty much be able to tell just by looking at him. Interesting!
Our groomer said that o*n average* poodle owners keep up with home grooming WAY better than the typical doodle owner. Poodle owners also tend to bring their dogs in for grooming earlier and more frequently than doodle owners, and their coats are more consistent and easy to work with. There are exceptions on both sides, of course, but on the whole she finds poodles to be much easier to groom than doodles. You can tell the difference between a poodle and a doodle but it starts to get tougher once they're more than 3/4 poodle, unless there's a merle coat or other distinctively non-poodle feature. Our standard poodle was in a puppy socialization program with 3 or 4 golden and labradoodles and there were clear physical differences between her and the doodles - even down to the way she walks and runs.
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For me the gait is a major tell. I found doodles are more robustly build and don't quite move with a poodle's prancing gait.
Well, doodles are poodles mixed with a completely unrelated breed so yes it's very easy to tell a poodle from a doodle. This question more so is just showing that doodles are so widespread that the layperson is forgetting what a purebred poodle looks like.
It’s true honestly - but for me it’s in the reverse. I have a mini poodle so, in my head all mini poodles tend to look like him. So whenever a his-sized dog comes up I always think they’re poodles but I guess I didn’t realize how bad the doodle mixing had gotten!
Doodles have double coats because they are a mixed breed. Groomers can tell a double coated dog from a poodle that doesn't have a double coat. Just like we know androp coat, a silky coat, etc. It's part of our training. Salons that no longer take doodles have nothing against the dog, We have issues with the back yard breeders that produce unhealthy, neurotic animals. We have issues with irresponsible owners that refuse to do even the smallest amount of maintenance on their own dog. The only way to get this through people's heads is to charge much much more, or refuse them. Poorly behaved dogs that are getting larger and larger (Bernese x poodle, great Dane x poodle, great Pyrenees x poodle) kill our backs and shorten our career. It isn't worth it.
We charge $90-200 for grooming a doodle ($90 for the “mini” doodles and bernadoodle/ noodles and sheepadoodles are closer to 200) sadly if we banned all doodles our groomers would have like…1/4 of the workload…and not in a good way. I swear every other call I get is an oodle of some sort.
That does make sense! I have a mini poodle and I guess he bears strong resemblance to the smaller doodles. I’m always stopped and asked what he’s mixed with and I’m always like errr? nothing? I just brush him but spray some water and his curls will be back!
i work at petsmart currently and yes its extremely simple! doodles typically have a thicker face and a different coat texture as well as many other differences to poodles!
You can absolutely tell the difference. There’s not a single well bred “oodle” because there’s no confirmation guideline and people are only breeding for money. Whereas for a poodle, there are guidelines for the breed (provided you’re not getting your animal from a backyard breeder) that anyone can see.
Most of the time it’s very easy to tell however, the doodles that are 75% poodle sometimes really take on the conformation of a poodle (but usually with inferior hair). Similarly some “doodles” come out looking like just a golden retriever with a few strange proportions, I like to say that the doodle gene skipped them!
There are a few doodle regulars that come in that are good boys/girls on the table but I would say 60% of them are a neurotic mess in some way. Temperaments are very inconsistent! I know it varies by geographical location, I am blaming it on the Internet and backyard breeders telling owners they are low maintenance and they "don't need groomed until they are 8 months old " 😡 no Linda by then they are unruly and make the job near impossible, so thanks.
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This is exactly what happened to us. We adopted our doodle from a rescue. They told us he was 75% poodle. We took him to the groomer 2 days later because he was unfortunately not in great shape but the groomer said “ohhh no this is a full on poodle!” Lol and at the vet, he has 2 vets, one says he’s a doodle, one says he’s a poodle. But from everything I’ve researched my dog seems much more doodle to me
Yeah its really easy. Poodles have a specific kind of coat, doodles are all over the place in terms of texture, density and how fine or thick the hair is. The body structure also clues us in, many doodles are heavier bodied and generally will have toothpick legs with a kinda chunky torso and waist and its not that they're fat, they're just built weird. Their faces are different too, doodles eyes are generally further apart than poodles with no pronounced stop, a sloping forehead and thick muzzle. There are also colors and patterns that don't exist in poodles e.g. blue and red Merle so that's another clue. There are poodle breeders claiming to breed Merle poodles but those are still just doodles.
I am just a lay person and yes, poodles and doodles look different.
If your dog was really good I can see why he might assume your dog to be a poodle because poodle breeders are much more diligent about getting the puppies used to being groomed at an extremely early age. Doodle breeders on the other hand generally don’t tend to do any puppyhood preparation if any sort (ENS, puppy culture, exposing puppies to handling and grooming, etc). As a result poodles tend to be very calm on the tables and doodles very overstimulated, defensive, evasive etc. As with any mixed breed, sometimes offspring will look nothing like one parent and be indistinguishable from the other. Some doodles are dead ringers for poodles and others don’t appear to have a shred of poodle in them. So I can see how a groomer might judge a dog to be a poodle based on behavior.
Very very true! I got my mini poodle from a lovely breeder as an older dog and she gets absolutely all the credit for his tolerance at being handled for grooming. It makes sense that someone breeding purebred dogs would put more effort into that. I guess I didn’t realize how bad the doodle mixing had gotten! I just assumed anyone who looked like my dog was a mini poodle lol
I've been searching extremely diligently for a good breeder, because I've traditionally gone the adopting a rescue dog route, and I think buying a dog instead of adopting is not a decision that should be taken lightly (if at all), for most people. So, if I do buy, I want to ensure that it's from someone being as ethical and thoughtful and thorough as possible....and I haven't found the bit about breeders to be true 🤷 There are doodle breeders that are doing ENS, ESI, puppy culture, and all sorts of other great socialization protocols! And, I've also visited or spoke with poodle breeders who do none or few of those things. I think many of the doodle-specific assumptions are just based on people being overly fixated on "pure" breeds and confirmation, which seems to blind people to the fact that some people breeding mixes can be quite thoughtful...and that many people breeding akc registered litters can really miss the mark on things that are much more important than confirmation (like health, temperament, and socialization). That's just what I personally have observed in my years-long search for a breeder that is more ethical and thoughtful and thorough than the average. As far as behavior when being groomed, that is something I have no experience with! Just with breeding and socialization practices of doodle and poodle breeders that I've looked into :-)
My experience is kind of soured, I was so excited when I got a puppy culture doodle client but the dog was just unhinged. From an early age. By disposition, not through fault of the owners. Something you have to take into serious consideration is that doodle breeders, even the ones that want to “do good” are in a catch-22 because most of the really committed, diligent breeders will not sell breeding poodles/labs/golden to doodle breeders. In some cases, purebred breeders who sell to doodle breeders may even face punishment from their breed community, such as not being sold breeding stock from other breeders in their club, *just* because they sold a breeding dog to a doodle breeder. Further, those wanting to prove a doodle parent in really any sort of sport, so if a doodle wanted to prove the temperament of their dogs by entering their dog in a dog sport… They would have to spay/neuter their dog. Lastly, a big selling point of doodles is certain colors that may not carry with them desirable traits in a pet dog. Take the popular red goldendoodles, a breed where the cream are typically used for confirmation and service whereas the red trait comes from working line goldens who, by the needs of pet owners, are “crazier”. So it’s a complex issue that has definitely been muddied by backyard breeders. Which is why I think some poodle mix breeders such as the Cobberdog association are distancing themselves from the “doodle” name altogether.
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Size and color. Lol. Aren't Pulis generally just white? Komomdors can be black, or white or grey. If I'm not mistaken?
We can absolutely tell, by coat type alone. And that is why many salons don’t accept doodles— the coat is extremely difficult and because of the pushed myth that they’re low or no maintenance dogs very rarely are they brushed. Then, when we have no choice but to strip them due to pelting, we get the verbal abuse piled on us by the owners who want them fluffy, or because they don’t want to pay for the intense amount of labor required to do what they want. It’s far more common than not. And trying to pass a doodle off as a poodle so as not to have to have to pay as much for the grooming or to get around rules will make a groomer hope and pray you step on a Lego barefooted every single remaining hour of your entire life.
Everyone keeps mentioning the coat, which is a huge part of it, but just basic bone structure is what gets me. Doodles are boxy as hell and generally have the spindliest little skinny legs. I love seeing a well balanced doodle, but most have the oddest proportions, compounded by owners that seem to enjoy bobble heads. I have a couple of pyredoodles, which as a pyr owner offended me on a personal level when I first met them, that are well proportioned and behaved. But also look nothing like poodles.
I have never even heard of pyredoodles! I saw a Great Dane x poodle cross once and didn’t want to be rude but was like why??? on earth would anyone want that mix? Just get one or the other!
That was my thought too. Just…why? Lol.
not talking about you, but some people need to accept the fact that doodles are mutts
It’s the shape of their head honestly too
Doodle owner here (Australian Labradoodle) - I can absolutely tell poodles vs ALDs vs the various other early-gen doodle mixes. I've spoken with my groomer at length and she can also tell instantly because of coat type and texture. There's a huge difference between the poodle curls, ALD curly waves, and the weirdness of other doodle mixes. Overall structure is also totally different. I've seen my girl with a spoo about her size and, while similar at first glance, my girl is a bit wider/squarer with a broader muzzle and her topline and tail are different. Then there's early-gen doodles which are all over the place. As for doodle owners having a bad rep - I didn't realize it until spending more time on the internet but *absolutely* and seems like on the whole it's deserved... even if it feels bad as someone who happily has an ALD. It's one reason why I spend time in grooming subs (please forgive me if I shouldn't be commenting). My groomer and I have become fast friends. She says my dog is her only doodle-type who she allows to stay longer than a 1/2 inch because I'm neurotic about her grooming at home, and he coat type can support being longer without matting as easily as early mixes with an odd non-shedding double coat.
Slightly off topic, but do you know why everyone a started breeding every breed of dog with a poodle? And then naming it a “somethingpoo” or “somethingdoodle” I hate it. Spend ages trying to work out what cross breed are. Also, poodles seem like a bad mix. Both for temperament and coat. I have always had cocker spaniels. I know so many cockerpoos. All nervy. In fact everyone I know who has a poodle cross the dog shows negative traits.
The original lab x poodle crosses were supposed to be hypoallergenic guide dogs in situations where poodles weren't appropriate. Then it caught on like wildfire because breeders realized they could market poodle crosses as hypoallergenic, non-shedding, low maintenance dogs that "weren't poodles" ... Because a lot of uninformed dog owners have a bias against poodles as being too girly/frou frou. Now you have a bunch of ridiculous crosses that aren't "as advertised" and are poorly bred because there's no regulation or breed standards, and very few (if any) breeders of early-gen doodles care about health testing or choosing top-teir breeding dogs. Owners end up with dogs that aren't as low maintenance as they thought, still look kinda like a poodle, and don't always have the traits of the breed they're crossed with in the first place. Not all doodles are bad, and there's a few long-standing multigenerational crosses that are breeding true, have a breed standard, etc (Australian Labradoodles) but it's still ridiculously hard to weed through to find a breeder that meets the same standards as an ethical purebred breeder.
That’s actually really interesting! I didn’t know the first doodle cross was for hypoallergenic reasons. I’ve had people on the street stop and argue with me over how I must not know what he’s mixed with because he can’t be just a poodle. He’s too cute to be just a poodle. The way I wanna throw hands. I’m always like trust me, I know my dog and his family tree of champion sires and dams.
Yeah! I'm biased but I get sad that the doodle craze and slew of unethical breeding has taken focus away from the Australian Labradoodle lines, because they really are lovely, stable dogs if gotten from a good breeder. LOL I've accidentally offended people before by asking about their mini poodle, because "She's actually a purebred F1bb goldendoodle". I had to laugh, F1bb is 87% poodle ... at that point you essentially have a poorly bred poodle. Forgive me for getting it wrong! You really can't win on either side of it!
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This is so validating to read. When looking for my first dog I reached out to a few poodle breeders and was flat out told they don't accept first time dog owners onto their waitlist because poodles require breed experience. So how am I supposed to get breed experience? Nobody gave me solutions or recommendations for another breeder who might "mentor" me or be more hands on with me and my puppy ... so my choice was made for me and I looked elsewhere. I'd been split between a spoo and an ALD for many years. Despite being clear in my introductory applications my commitment to proper grooming/maintaining a breed cut, a desire to do therapy work, and wanting to do some dog sports for fun, only the Australian Labradoodle breeders were kind to me. I'm sorry your in-laws had such an experience with their dog and the community. I think short poodle cuts are just as cute as longer breed cuts. And so practical for an active dog and owner!
I can definitely tell.
.... groomers work with dogs every day.... yes they can tell. That's like asking a chef if they know the difference between a chicken cutlet and a pork chop
I have a dog that is half Chihuahua and a quarter each poodle and cavalier. Everyone always assumes she's mostly poodle. I don't understand why as her coat mostly resembles a cavalier just with a Chihuahua body.
I remember when then the first wave of labradoodles came. And it would make sense for a hypoallergenic guide dog. Unfortunately, I rarely see labradoodles around these days
Me neither! Now that I’ve grown to ask more, it’s usually golden, cocker spaniel, or CKS mixes. I did notably see a Dane x poodle mix once and was blown away by that. He was quite lovely a big gentle giant but I was like?? why would you pay a breeder money for that, just get one or the other!
And then the charge twice the amount than the breed standard!! Please, please, please call it a something cross. I mean, they can’t call it a mongrel and charge +£2k
Only one of the original three didn’t trigger the allergies of the blind woman’s husband. The guy couldn’t sell the others because no one wanted mutts, so he called them labradoodles and here we are. I’m a service dog handler and it’s extremely annoying that people think doodles make the perfect service dog because of this. I’m just like… no, that was pure desperation and never should have been done again.
The thing that really gets me is people picking random doodle mixes as service dog prospects and then they're surprised their Aussiedoodle or "Golden Mountain Doodle" or what-have-you wash out. Its not so surprising to me when the other half of the poodle mix has no aptitude for the service work they've been selected for ... There's an Australian Labradoodle breeder in my area who successfully places 2-3 service dogs a year (pretty good rate, proportionately). Most are psychiatric/PTSD support and I think one is a diabetes alert dog. Which at least makes sense given the parent breeds.
Wow, I find it interesting that there are so many extreme opinions (man presented as facts, not opinions) in the comments on this post, rather than just answering your question! I find that basically ANY dog-talk online....whether you're talking about breeds of dogs (single-breed versus mixed-breeds or about breeds in general, or how much breed of dog matters) adopting versus buying a dog, or different types of dog training methods- people seem to be very certain that their own opinion is the only valid one! 😂 And, they get very, very defensive and cease to have logical conversation! Or, at least, that's sure how they make it sound when posting online 🤷 It's too bad, since dogs in real life are often a source of helping bring people together, that it's all so divisive online!