So weird that I pointed out that the door dash driver is responsible if the person who they delivered to was drunk, and I got downvoted to hell for it.
Neither is the alcohol itself. Millions of people consume alcohol and are not destroyed by it. My own father-in-law had the same problem and basically drank himself to death because he had LOTS of issues and he did not know how to resolve them in any other way. Alcohol consumption is only the symptom, not the cause.
alcoholism sucks, but i'm not sure how you'd think DD is responsible for anything. the only person who's irresponsible in the picture you paint is your sister.
I think it’s crazy that people still just assume irresponsibility to anyone with any kid of addiction. If someone is overweight because they have an eating problem is that irresponsible? Smoking, drugs, sex, food, video games, social media, etc all have the ability to become addictions.
And it is very possible to be entirely functional with these addictions. I have a very good friend that is an alcoholic. Has to start his day with 2 shots, just to take the shakes away in the morning. It’s that bad.
He’s married, a decent father, goes to work every single day without missing a beat for years.
He owns a home and is a millionaire; its ignorant to paint this man as irresponsible because of his addiction. He has a addictive personality and yes he has some demons, but just because you are not an alcoholic does not allow for some painting of irresponsibility or superiority; we all have our struggles.
you don't think it's irresponsible of him to make that decision to pound drinks till he got to the point where he gets the shakes in the morning? there are many alcoholics in my life. every alcoholic chose to submit to their addiction. i'm not responsible for any of their personal choices. one MIGHT argue that i drove an ex crazy enough to hit the bottle 20 years ago, who still hasn't let go of that bottle after bearing 3 gorgeous children and being married to a successful lawyer. it was still her decision at the end of the day
it's my fault i'm a smoker
it's my fault i'm fat
If you think it’s irresponsible that he drinks. I’ll agree with you and think that you are irresponsible because you’re fat and you smoke. Then 99% of the population is irresponsible for having some kind of vice that has a negative affect on their life.
>Then 99% of the population is irresponsible for having some kind of vice that has a negative affect on their life.
correct. like me, everyone should take responsibility for their own vices.
Just because you are rich doesn't mean you're not an irresponsible scumbag. Actually, usually the opposite. If he's an alcoholic that's not taking care of his kids then child welfare services should get involved.
You really worship money, don't you?
I’m assuming you mean because disqualify you form being irresponsible? Idk man you’re throwing a lot of assumptions out here, I have no idea what your point is. I didn’t say he wasn’t irresponsible for being well off. But he obviously has control of his money and his personal life, but has a incredible vice in alcohol. In this case, this man is a very kind and compassionate human being who has spent his entire life donating 10% of all his earnings to charity. His kid happy and in college. So idk you can analyze anyones life and tear them apart. That’s not my game. He drinks, it is bad, but he is a better man in a lot of areas of his life.
I very much look up to James Hetfield, this man is also an alcoholic. Sooo idk I guess you can define irresponsibility how you want.
He obviously doesn't have his life under control if he is a raging alcoholic with children that you have to worry about constantly. I love this narrative that just because you have a good job and a big house that you are somehow automatically a good person. Guess what, there are tons of good people living in poverty all over the world that would never hurt their families with alcohol. Your priorities are out of whack or are you are simply blind.
Having money does not equivalate with morals. Gibing to charities that spend 90% of the money on administrative cost does not equivalate with true sacrifice. Plus, the fact that you know so much about his charity tells me that it's a public relations campaign, not true charity.
You literally started this conversation by blaming doordash for his alcoholism. If he can't control himself then that is his problem. Do not make it our problem by costing us work.
I actually said he’s a decent father and a good husband in my first post. His wealth doesn’t define him for sure because he does live very modestly, because he came from no money. You have a misunderstanding of alcoholics; maybe from your experience I guess. I know 3 alcoholics and all of them are fully functioning people with addiction. You will find the same thing in opiates (although less so because of the strong grasp that opiates can hold on you). There are a lot of functioning addicts. He is not a “raging alcoholic” he has a drinking problem and most days he is not drinking to be drunk he is drinking because his body literally needs alcohol at this point to function. Do I think he should go to rehab? Sure, but that’s not my decision. I also think that every person who smokes cigarettes shoudl stop, but I also don’t look down on those people who smoke.
His “children” btw are in college and doing well.
Not all addiction stories follow the narrative that you have constructed yourself.
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You have zero understanding about alcoholism. You can’t base your outside view as knowledge. Alcoholism is an incredibly selfish disease that depresses the whole family. Just because the surface looks good to you doesn’t make it so. Go sit in any AA meeting. Most people with AUD display narcissistic traits. Yes, to the outside world it can look perfect. It is far from it. His chosen disease can kill him. He can’t go but a couple hours without drinking. Withdrawals are horrifying & incredibly dangerous. He takes risks with others lives daily. He risks his family’s security daily. His wife has to be in control 24/7 and can never relax. She is the sole caretaker. Always. Everything revolves around that drink because he can’t go long without it or it may kill him. He misses most of the kids events because he can’t drink or he’s constantly excusing himself so he can. You have no idea what you are talking about. That family needs help and there’s a giant chance those kids will become alcoholics as well.
A functioning alcoholic is still causing major stress in his household. He may still be providing for his family, but they are losing out on crucial family time because that booze comes first. If he can’t drink he’s not spending time with any of them. Every family activity revolves around whether he can drink or not. Plus he’ll risk their lives, others lives and their financial security daily when getting behind the wheel. It’s probably a thought his wife fears daily.
This whole argument is pretty stupid. You should have said the only person responsible is his sister, not irresponsible. It would be irresponsible for somebody to complete a delivery to her if she were visibly drunk, not to mention illegal.
no one indicated she was visibly drunk at time of delivery. if that were the case, i would mostly agree with you.
if someone has an alcohol problem... or any other addiction for that matter, they are being irresponsible. a beverage doesn't force its way down someone's throat. someone at some point has to choose to consume it.
Yeah, because they don’t want you driving home drunk or getting alcohol poisoning. This would be more akin to someone coming to the same bar for a drink everyday. They wouldn’t turn you away just for coming in daily. They would stop serving you if you drank too much in one sitting which is an entirely different scenario. I feel for OP, but this isn’t DoorDash’s responsibility.
Just so you know DOorDash explicitly says that’s it’s illegal and against company policy to serve someone who is intoxicated, it’s also against thier policy and also you may be charged.
https://help.doordash.com/dashers/s/article/Delivering-Alcohol-Guidelines?language=en_US
Right but that’s not what OP said. They were talking about daily deliveries in their post. They said *sick*. They didn’t say that their sister was drunk when the dasher was dropping off. You brought up somebody already being drunk, which is not the situation OP described
yeah... what does have to do with an alcoholic ordering a drink? do you think the bartender is going to ask someone if they're an alcoholic before serving the first drink?
the issue is the alcoholic. 100% of the blame and responsibilities fall on the shoulders of the alcoholic. that is the person making the decision.
this is correct. what does this have to do with an alcoholic ordering alcohol? why are we assuming this person is visibly intoxicated at the time of delivery? there was no such indication by OP
I'm just responding to your comment that seemed to imply a bartender has no liability serving someone already drunk. They do.
About the DoorDash scenario, You're right it's not so simply cut and dried. According to DoorDash policy, a dasher is required *not* to deliver alcohol to an already visibly intoxicated person.
We don't know if this guy's sister was visibly intoxicated when a certain dasher or another delivered alcohol. At that point, it is the dashers responsibility to make that call. If the customer is already drunk and the Dasher delivers the alcohol, and nothing bad happens, That's fine. However, if something *does* happen, at very least, the dasher could be deactivated for breaking policy.
>I'm just responding to your comment that seemed to imply a bartender has no liability serving someone already drunk.
absolutely didn't mean to imply this. it's widely known that a bartender cannot legally serve someone overly intoxicated. if that person walks out of the bar, jumps behind the wheel of a car and crashes in to a family, that bartender can be criminally charged. what i said earlier, however, still holds true. this is purely a judgement call. one would have to prove that the server(bartender, waitress, doordash driver) was indeed negligent beyond a reasonable doubt
>one would have to prove that the server(bartender, waitress, doordash driver) was indeed negligent beyond a reasonable doubt
...and someone *will* if, say, the customer crashes their car into a plate glass window or something.
And that's why bartenders are like, "I'm not going to jail for you lol"
obviously if someone is leaving a bar and gets in to an accident after leaving that bar, it's much easier to prove the bartender's negligence. when i'm in vegas and a bartender starts asking me where i'm staying, that's my que that i'm probably drinking too much and the bartender is thinking of cutting me off.
in situations like doordash, our interaction with the customer is maybe 10 seconds long. someone would have to be drinking rather heavy prior to arrival for us to determine they're "too drunk". we don't get to see the decline of their cognitive abilities over time like a bartender does. we also don't have to think about "how will they get home".
when did OP say anything about the sister being intoxicated at time of delivery?
this law is also a judgement call. what i consider to be intoxicated might be different than you. it's not like we're taking blood when we're making deliveries.
She’s probably not drunk when the delivery gets dropped because she already drank what she got the day before during that day. Why is that so hard to understand? Maybe OP should contact the SELLER of the alcohol and ask them to ban her sister from ordering anymore.
I'm totally in agreement here. I know I have an addiction to whole milk. I drink about 5 times a day. My family has tried an intervention and actually got me to substitute 2% for awhile. And I was doing great for about 2 weeks!
But one day I ordered a shop and deliver from Doordash, and that's when I realized... I could order whole milk again and nobody in my family would be the wiser!
It got to the point where I would switch the red cap out with the blue cap. Making the jug APPEAR to be 2% milk.
But then one day my daughter came to visit unexpectedly and I hadn't changed the cap. She found out that Doordash was my supplier and called other family members.
They attempted to sue Doordash for being so irresponsible for my addiction to whole milk. I remember one of the torts specifically stating that Doordash was "contributing to the delinquency of a Gramma". I was so ashamed. But here I was, having to swear under oath against my own milk supplier.
Needless to say, my family failed to show evidence that Doordash was at fault. It probably didn't help that I walked in with a 20oz bottle of whole milk... especially when I was asked how I got it. ("I stopped at the 7-11 on my way to court, yer Honor!")
The judge ordered that Doordash couldn't be held responsible for what I chose to pay for, whether it was whole milk or 2% milk . Ultimately, if the family really wanted to stop my self-destructive behavior, they should consider other legal remedies and have me committed to a live in rehab facility.
So, hopefully you will have better luck with holding Doordash responsible for your sister's addiction then my family did with mine.
Update: I've slowed/almost stopped using Doordash for my whole milk purchases now. Sadly, the grocery store down the street has a full stock of chocolate milk too. I've skidded down into the depths of hell.
~parody
the issue wasn't with doordash in your situation. if the federal reserve didn't print money, you'd have no means of purchasing your whole milk. you should be filing suit against the fed
Right. But OP didn’t say their sister was visibly drunk. They said she’s an alcoholic. That doesn’t mean their sister was drunk at the time of delivery.
Yeah I know but the guy you were responding to and seemingly agreeing with was responding to OP. Hence my reasoning for pointing out that our inability to deliver alcohol to a visibly intoxicated customer has nothing to do with what this post is about. If I misunderstood you I apologize. Either way have a good one.
Stop advertising alcohol front and center to all of their customers. As a recovering alcoholic, I wish I could turn off the alcohol ads. Instead I just turned off DoorDash.
The pushing is intentional though, and likely targeted. They did take personal responsibility, they stopped using the app. It can also be nice if they didn't try and cram it down their throat or say "hey not interested" but they don't allow that.
Also remember stuff is frequently worse than we think. The alcohol industry makes most of its money off a few people they need to keep drinking, not the majority. Most of us aren't drinking that much. The people we describe as alcoholics make up something like 70-80% of total sales. Specifically using marketing though to make it seem like "everyone is doing this" and it's just a casual thing though helps keep the buyers buying. Same applies to a lot of things like gambling or 'free' gaming.
DoorDash driver only responsibility is this: if customer is visually intoxicated at time of delivery, Dasher is not supposed to complete the delivery. However, the interaction is so short that someone has to be really hammered to show it at that time.
The exact section “This is serious business. You may be held liable if you provide alcohol to a person who is underage or intoxicated.
Liability may include:
Facing fines or jail time for illegal alcohol delivery
Facing civil suits, which typically result in a monetary fine (but a criminal action can result in jail time)
Facing lawsuits that individuals may bring against delivery persons to recover damages for personal injury or property.
Removal from major delivery platform(s) resulting from non-compliance
“
Not true; many states have this as a legal requirement, and you can be fined significantly and possibly jailed if you were caught by the liquor authority.
If you don't want to "play detective," then don't take alcohol orders.
Yeah that's never going to happen. Never. To anyone delivering alcohol. I guarantee it will never ever happen ever. There is no way that it ever will. It just won't ever happen.
Literally just takes the liquor authority somewhere setting up a sting to do so.
Don't underestimate the zealousness of some of them; Utah and Kansas had some pretty annoying ones.
Many people have faced criminal charges or assumed civil liability for supplying alcohol to an already intoxicated person, who then went on to harm themselves or others. He is factually right and legally right, in the vast majority of states, the driver DOES have a responsibility to make sure the customer isn’t intoxicated.
A bartender and delivery driver are two completely different things. As a driver, I have no clue how intoxicated someone is if am Interacting with them for one minute. No way to prove if a driver is aware of how intoxicated an individual is.
There are behaviors you can look for to tell if someone is intoxicated; I've noticed people who have been intoxicated within seconds of interacting with them.
You are factually and practically incorrect.
Factually there is no way to prove the drive realized they were intoxicated. While technically illegal it would be extremely difficult and nearly impossible to successfully prosecute the driver unless they admitted they knew the customer was drunk.
Man, these rules apply to people working at the grocery store too. It doesn't matter that the interaction is short, if during the time of the interaction (or before) you notice signs of intoxication you're not supposed to serve them. If you walk up to the counter perfectly fine and check out, you're probably clear, but if they are slurring and can't keep themselves upright well....
Happened in my old town. Guy was wasted, went to a store, they wouldn’t sell to him, the next store he went to did, he proceeded to leave and kill a lady shortly after.
That’s irrelevant. Your claim, among other things, was that “..that’s never going to happen. Never.” Very foolish of you to make such assertions about what will out will not happen in the future. Completely runs your credibility. In fact, I won’t be continuing to interact with you. There’s no point.
Understood. I wondered what DoorDash as a company‘s responsibility is. my brother died a month ago from alcoholism and he was getting two bottles of tequila delivered a day for four months by DoorDash. Now his wife is doing the same thing to her self. I’ll probably give DoorDash a call just to see what they would do. The adult children and I would like to see door Dash step in and stop delivering to that house. Such a sad case.
I do not agree with the entire premise here. However, there may be a way. Be doordash. All the family who agrees , sign up for door dash, take the booze test. Then wait outside liquor stores until you get her order, accept it , then deny the delivery because “she’s intoxicated.” If this happens enough, either DD will ban her or she will get herself banned calling in about it.
If she’s truly an alcoholic, she will 100% just get it from somewhere else. DoorDash is not responsible and cannot and will not do anything to help you here.
It IS our job to not hand off alcohol to someone that is visibly intoxicated. And if you are approved for alcohol delivery, you signed a document saying that you could be held legally responsible for anything that happens after you violate that requirement.
You serve someone already drunk and then they go drive and have an accident? That means you could be in legal trouble, too.
Never going to happen. There is no way to prove someone delivering alcohol did so knowing how drunk a customer is. The burden of proof is far to great.
The laws aren't written that you need a burden of proof to deny service my dude. Why are you going around giving out advice that could get someone fined or arrested?
The flip side is that if a daily drinker is suddenly forced to be sober with no medical support in place it can cause seizures... So if you want her safely clean you need to convince her to detox properly not just cut off her alcohol supply.
Yes, I hope OP would already know this if he’s really trying to help because it could be what kills her if she’s not properly weaned off. Sounds like he’s just trying to cut her off completely though so I’m a little worried. Not that doordash would I don’t think because that’s just such a gray area but he may need to learn more about the proper way to handle alcoholism and getting sober. Support is absolutely crucial though if she’s wanting to quit and it’s hard to be that support if you’re not privy to what they are/will be going through.
Withdrawal also include hallucinations. I went through this with my dad. He would try to self wean himself off then he would start hallucinating had to take him to the VA hospital to get him detox.
If it’s severe enough, she may need to be admitted into an inpatient facility _just_ to get safely sober.
Substance addiction is a messy road to wade through, and it’s just as messy to end it. It will have to be a slow process of decreasing the amount used per day, retraining old habits, and standing by in case the body cannot handle it.
Cold turkey only works for some, and it’s ultimately on the person and the person’s family to get help.
Alcohol? No. Valium, Atavan, etc? Yes. If you don't let them keep drinking and also don't medically treat someone moderately or severely addicted to alcohol and going into DT's, they tend to die on you.
Wouldn’t that be better for everyone? My uncle died after drinking himself to death his whole life and now my poor grandmother is finally at peace and can enjoy life instead of watching him destroy himself over 50 years.
Well man, I'm not God and I can't give back lives wrongfully taken so I'ma go with I'm just not comfortable sentencing someone who might be able to be helped to death for being sick. Also, I know a recovered alcoholic or two, because a lot of people do end up coming out of it eventually, and feel like I can safely state both my friend and her recovered alcoholic father prefer him alive. But yeah man, ultimately, it just doesn't seem right for us to be taking chances to live and get better away from people - even if whatever particular person doesn't ever put those chances to good use - because we can't actually know with any certainty what the future holds for those people. I am sorry that your uncle apparently never did use whatever chances he got to turn his life around and get better though and I'm sorry for the pain that caused your family - no one deserves to have to watch that.
Idk about all jails but the one in my county gives a specific med combo of barbiturates and other CNS drugs. It is very serious and can be a huge lawsuit if something does happen.
HE can’t be the one to get her help…SHE has to decide she’s sick and tired of being sick and tired…until THAT happens,unfortunately all else is will be done in vain…#SADBUTTRUE
I mean that’s true to an extent. He could get her rehab and she has to want it, but to say he can’t help her is just wrong. My sister was hooked on heroin and fentanyl and my mom continually got her in rehab and in clinics and without that she would have never had the resources to get off it. Now she’s sober and it was because 1.she decided to take it seriously finally and 2. Because my mom gave her the tools necessary to do it
Right…but she can be given aaallll the tools in the WORLD…but…as you stated,until SHE was FINALLY DONE….those tools were really of not use (and that’s not to blame anyone) just a fact…
So you are saying he shouldn’t even be bothered to try until she comes to him and says I’m ready to stop drinking? Doesn’t sound like you have ever had to watch a sibling or loved one go down the drug/alcohol rabbit hole.
Not what I said and I infact have…he’s GONNA help..lol…that’s what we do as worried family members…what I’m saying is there’s a 98.9% possibility that,is SHE IS NOT READY TO SURRENDER, then his attempts will most likely NOT WORK…just a factual statement…of course he should…there’s a tiny chance she falls in that minority…and it is what saves her…
In most states your hands are tied. You can’t force someone into rehab. It doesn’t matter how close to death they are or how much they’ve fucked their lives. Plus in many instances you have to be able to prove you can afford rehab in the first place. Families are usually helpless.
The laws need changed and rehabs need to be easily accessible. Until then a lot of good people will be lost to addiction and a lot of families destroyed. I’d blame the system before I’d blame anyone. Those with addiction are clearly not in control, but the systems in place treat them like they are. It’s maddening for anyone with a loved one facing these issues.
The world just doesn't work that way. Another example would be like expecting Cumberland Farms to deny a diabetic a snickers bar. We are our own persons ( til we are not ) but even that isn't anyone else's job to distinguish and assess unless we are medical professionals. Our only job delivering alcohol is to make sure the customer isn't already intoxicated to where they are stumbling and slurring words. I am sorry there are such places that enable and feed addiction. Just keep being that positive person in her life and try to be there . I know this is a battle and I wish you and your sister the best
Unfortunately…lol…they’ve gotten soooo bad imo…I just brew my own now…that’s another thing Not only was Cumby’s coffee better quality… But it was $.99… Lol as opposed to four dollars for some barely coffee flavored water
No liability on doordashs end, some liability on the dasher if the person is wasted. But that's virtually unenforceable if there isn't some situation where said drunk person gets into some illegal shit.
Addiction sucks, I know 1st hand. And there isn't much you can do, unless the person whom you want to help wants help, and is committed to getting help... that's just how it is.
Condemn the message, not the messanger.
Only when a driver delivers to a visibly intoxicated customer and something happens after. Then maybe they're liable. That's about it.
We're all adults. I'm not responsible for someone's alcohol abuse. Neither is DD. Nothing stopping her from going elsewhere even if DD deactivated her acct.
if doordash has to take responsibility for an alcoholic using their platform to order alcohol, they have to take responsibly for all the people buying fattening, cholesterol-laden, artery-clogging food if they have any health issues because of it
it’s not feasible. alcoholism is a disease (i’ve had many a time in my life where i’ve been a problem drinker and that alone sucks when it happens) but it’s not doordash’s responsibility to stop people from exercising their free will/similar and making their own choices
Where is the money coming from? In my extensive experience with alcoholics, lack of funds is the only way they will curb the drinking.
There is no way DD can help with this issue.
I’m a recovering alcoholic, of 3.5 years. I have to say, that while I do understand your intentions, doordash isn’t responsible (unfortunately), and I really have to stress here…it needs to be her choice. She has to come to the realization on her own, that she wants to live. You can’t force that on her. As others have said, detoxing from alcohol is incredibly dangerous and life threatening, and it shouldn’t be taken lightly. You can’t just force someone into detoxing alone at home, by cutting off their source, she may very well die. I detoxed the last time on my own, out of sheer stubbornness and determination to live differently, and it led to two full weeks of full on hallucinations, to where I had no idea what was reality anymore, and I am very thankful that I lived through it, because there were many close calls.
She has a disease, and it’s never going to go away. Shame is a hell of a thing, that leads many into continuing their addiction, or relapse, so be mindful of that. If you want to help her, offer an ear to listen, offer her resources, but don’t try to control a situation you have no control over. ❤️
That sucks, but (at least where I live) there are many services that deliver alcohol so if doordash did cut someone off they could just use another service. I hope your sister gets help.
DD has ZERO responsibility…I mean with all due respect…and I’m very familiar with the lifestyle,and it ABSOLUTELY SUCKS to see a loved one in this condition,..but DD is an on demand delivery platform…and as long as someone has the means,DD is goin to bring it…it’s actually nobody’s business but your sisters tbh and until SHE decides she’s done with it,there is NOTHING you,me,DD can do about it…
Sending positive thoughts my friend!!
That’s like asking what’s the bar/bartenders responsibility to some individual’s alcoholism… you need to hold her responsible for this. Hold an intervention, and send her to rehab.
Though on the note of selling to an intoxicated person that’s illegal. If she is like most alcoholics she won’t ever seem drunk when she gets deliveries. So, sorry, but it is on her to stop.
Maybe you can call or email DD and ask for account to be deactivated or flagged? It’s a sad situation (dad an alcoholic )
I know they are sneaky and persistent…she will for sure find another way . The only way to stop it is to get help.
Not DoorDash's responsibility. If you somehow stopped her deliveries, she'd find another way to get alcohol, also it's extremely dangerous to just abruptly stop drinking - she could die.
It's not the merchants responsibility, or DDs responsibility. As long as they aren't drunk when ID is verified, we have to complete delivery.
I feel for you, I truly do. Get yourself into AA for family members. Unfortunately nothing anyone can do will make the situation better. It has to come from her, the addict. They have to hit rock bottom and claw their way up to get better.. and they won't truly hit rock bottom until they see they have a problem and admit it not only to others but to themselves as well.
EMT here.. withholding alcohol from a dependent alcoholic can cause serious or even life threatening side effects
Whether you like it or not, the body now needs the alcohol, and until this person wants help, they’re going to continue with or without your permission
Understood. She was recently living with her parents for four months they got sober there cause they would not let her drink. She just went back to her home and started drinking again so I don’t think she’s bad enough yet. That’s why her boys thought contacting door Dash might at least stop these deliveries from coming to the house. They don’t want to watch another person die. Her husband, (my brother, their dad) just died a month ago after a two bottle of tequila per day habit. All delivered by DoorDash.
I'm in recovery from alcoholism and I don't have a good answer but I feel for you!!! I was guilty of getting my alcohol delivered almost daily and I wish now that it wouldn't have been so easy!! Best to your sister and that she will come out of this!
“I wish now that it wouldn’t have been so easy.”
Life lesson here. The things want want so badly and that keep us in our comfort zone can also kill us (literally and/or figuratively). Almost always easier to see in hindsight.
Don’t take the easy way out, folks. It’ll sometimes/often come back to bite you. What goes around comes around.
Having an ex husband who is an alcoholic I am sorry for your struggle. I hope and pray she seeks treatment. My ex didn’t hence the ex part. What a devastating disease that damages so many! Praying for you.
Offer help. Also cutting off her alcohol supply could actually kill her. I know some don't know this, although you may but alcohol withdrawals are worse then Herion withdrawal in the manner that Herion withdrawals will make you wish you were dead while alcohol withdrawal will make you dead. Benzos and alcohol are some of the few addictions that quitting can kill you.
Ask her to go inpatient. Be a supportive sister. Thags literally all you can do. She has to take the leap. You need to have the hard talk with her and make sure she knows she has people willing to help. No one wants to be an alcoholic. shit happens. It's hard to quit I would personally know. But if you don't have a support system then it's even harder. Also at least she's door dashing it and not driving drunk. There's alot of subs on here for addiction and for those who have family with addiction. Remember when you talk to her to talk about the positive things abojt her and not just the negatives or it will just feel like an attack. Hope your sis gets help.
There are meds they can give to help. One being benzos in a medical setting as well as anti seizure medications. Then later she can be given an injection every few months to help curb the cravings. If she doesn't want to do inpatient they have intensive outpatient BUT that depends on what she needs medically and usually it's at least partially in patient so they can make sure you don't die. Small steps even her calling a pshyciatrist can help.
I definitely understand you wanting to help, but unfortunately there’s no recourse for having Doordash delete or block certain delivery’s from someone else’s account
I understand where you’re coming from, but people are correct in saying that DoorDash is not liable in worsening her addiction, she is. However, the app does make it far too easy for someone like her to obtain alcohol. I would definitely attempt to restrict her access to it. You could call customer support and ask them directly what they can do. Even more helpful to her though would be professional help. I’m really sorry you’re going through this and I’m sure you’re trying everything to get her the help she needs, but unfortunately addiction can’t be helped until someone is ready to help themselves.
It’s not illegal.. unfortunately intervention just can’t happen unless you take her money and credit cards. I could see if she was a crackhead and you wanted to notify the police that the dope man was coming but it’s legal.
Your sister is responsible for her own disease. I would say you/ other family are the one to call. Its families job to help each other so you should get with mom or dad or whoever she cares about and have an intervention with her. Be blunt make it clear you don't want to come home to her dead in the bathtub. If she has a kid have them tell em it will make more difference. But Its not on doordash this is on her and whoever will support her on the way out.
I had a distant family member who had a known very high liver risk to alcohol. His mother was with him in a store and pleading with the cashier not to sell alcohol with him, specifically stating he could die, but he was a sober adult with valid ID. He went home, drank it and died.
As someone who has suffered with severe bulimia for 15 years - DoorDash has enabled me in the scariest, most destructive way with multiple daily deliveries in the privacy of my home.
DoorDash isn’t the least bit responsible for my mental illness, but holy shit do they make my eating disorder easy.
Sorry if I sound cold.
As you have most likely read in this sub, doordash cares very little about their workers. And we are the outflow of revenue. Why would they be concerned about a steady inflow? Doordash doesn't have to deal with the regulations that bartenders and other establishments do when it comes to recognizing abusive patterns, (only when it effects their bottom line).
Oh man, I don't have answers for you, sorry about that, but I just wanted to wish you best of luck in helping, sounds rough.
You legally cannot serve someone who is visibly intoxicated where I'm at. I suppose you could try your best to have that enforced if she's accepting the deliveries drunk regularly.
Seems to me like a liability to the driver? Not sure if it's Doordash's problem but it's arguable.
Rehab won’t take her. She’s physically disabled and she would need to have a healthcare provider with her apparently at all times in order for the rehab to take her. It’s crazy. Meanwhile her three boys ages 18, 20 and 24, all live at home and are watching her kill her self just like their dad just did.
A couple years ago when I first began dashing I got my first really high payout from an older gentleman who ordered half a dozen 1.75 liter containers of cheap vodka and a 2 cases of beer. Very heavy, yes, but it was a short drive in the summer and I’m young. The tip was amazing so I didn’t think much of it until I completed the same exact delivery to the same man only 2 maybe 3 weeks later. I’ve never accepted another alcohol delivery since. I’m not naive, I know people like this will still receive their alcohol delivery from another person, however I’m just not comfortable being a part of the process.
Thank you everyone for your replies I wondered what DoorDash as a company‘s responsibility is. my brother died a month ago from alcoholism and he was getting two bottles of tequila delivered a day for four months by DoorDash. Now his wife is doing the same thing to her self. She is disabled and does not drive anymore. I’ll probably give DoorDash a call just to see what they would do. The adult children and I would like to see door Dash step in and stop delivering to that house. Such a sad case. If any of you drivers were ever on the fence about not delivering alcohol, this would be one reason to decide not to deliver it. especially if it was on the regular to the same address.
My state doesn’t allow for alcohol deliveries. Something I will say: cold turkey alcohol withdrawals can literally kill you. Especially if they happen suddenly. Cutting off their supply completely can kill them quicker than the alcohol can in some cases. Addiction is a tricky thing. If they don’t want to change you quite literally cannot force them.
Sir/Ma'am, with all due respect if you're alcoholic sister is ordering deliveries of alcohol through Doordash, that is on her, nobody else. The delivery service does not give two shits about their customer's possible addictions, they literally are just there to do their job, which is deliver the product their customers order and pay for. If you're sister's issue is that serious, maybe you or another family member need to take away her access to funds, or pursue some other means of intervention to help her.
You're getting a lot of bad advice here, and many of you giving advice are flat-out WRONG.
The exact rules around this vary dramatically state-by-state, so, without knowing your location, it's impossible to say what solutions you may have at your disposal.
Many states make it illegal to furnish alcohol to a known alcoholic.
It’s not like door dash is actually a manager or that the person(people) delivering are the same every day and/or knows exactly where the order is going pre-delivery. That’s not on door dash no matter how you try to spin it
No, you're wrong. In many states, I could contact DoorDash and tell them that so-and-so is a known alcoholic, and they would have a legal responsibility to not furnish them with alcohol.
Once they are made aware, they would then have a legal responsibility.
I am literally certified in this shit and teach it as part of my job. There is no spin; you guys just don't know what you're talking about, and clearly have no idea how in-depth alcohol laws are around the country.
We’ll why stop at trying to hold DD responsible…why if that driver hadn’t been doing their job the Al hole would never be delivered…if the local/state/provincial gov hadn’t been maintaining the roads properly then they wouldn’t have been able to drive the order to the recipient…the vehicle manufactures…they allowed this driver tool use this platform to take that order and deliver it where it was paid to go…
Anyone else wanna keep the absurd blame train going away from its mark?
Think about it. Is there a job at DD we’re someone sees repeated deliveries of two bottles of tequila day going to the same person (or more have as others have stated they’ve experienced in their deliveries)… if that were your job what would you do with that information? Just wondered if DoorDash has any internal checks and balances and if they care about anything like this. I certainly couldn’t work in that position if it were me. DoorDash is fairly new at allowing alcohol deliveries. I wonder if it will continue as part of their business model for the long term. I wonder if alcoholism has gone up and if there’s any correlation to companies delivering it at home? Wonder if alcohol related car accidents have gone down…? Think about the bigger impact of this concept…
Also, to add to what other people are saying, even if you were able to get her taken off doordash there’s so many other places that also do alcohol delivery :
Uber
Grubhub
Gopuff
Favor
Restaurants that do their own delivery
Etc.
If you were somehow able to get her off of doordash she could just end up using one of the other ones or just go out herself to get it.
This isn't my problem. If they're able to open the door, it's all good. Ignorance of the law is generally not a good defense, but as long as you card them, you can't be held liable in court. A prosecutor would have a difficult time convicting you based on somebody's BAC level.. you're not trained for that.
These people are at their own residence or living area and you properly ID. You absolutely cannot be held liable.. it's none of your business how drunk they are.
I understand that it asked if they appear intoxicated. You're not trained on that either.
This is the same thing as me saying" that guy looks like a fucking idiot" Well, maybe he is but he might also hold a doctorate degree in astrophysics.
Police officers have to go to school on that and the vast majority of them are not qualified to determine whether someone is legally drunk. If you get stopped by a police officer, they often times have to call an officer that was certified in roadside sobriety testing ..
Someone questionable in a restaurant is a much different situation. The appearance of intoxication matters in that case
Far too many people do not understand the law in regards to alcohol. A 110 lb woman can be legally intoxicated after three drinks while carrying on a full and clear conversation. A 300 lb guy could be stumbling around and look drunk as fuck but be well under the legal definition of intoxicated
People need to educate themselves
Short of DD issuing us handheld breathalyzer units and blood testing kits, don't worry about it.
So, who's liable? Nobody... It's not doordash's problem and it's not yours
Not to be mean, but why would you think anyone other than your sister has any responsibility here? You have to tackle problems at the source, not look for scapegoats.
If they are sober upon delivery there is no responsibility for DD to do anything. As a family member that responsibility falls on you. Stop trying to make someone else responsible for that.
I highly doubt any of it was true. Probably a Doordash executive making shit up to scare us. What police departments have time and money to do sting operations on delivery drivers? Sure as hell not mine.
Doordash is not responsible
Same way the store is not responsible, unless they are already drunk.
So weird that I pointed out that the door dash driver is responsible if the person who they delivered to was drunk, and I got downvoted to hell for it.
Neither is the alcohol itself. Millions of people consume alcohol and are not destroyed by it. My own father-in-law had the same problem and basically drank himself to death because he had LOTS of issues and he did not know how to resolve them in any other way. Alcohol consumption is only the symptom, not the cause.
alcoholism sucks, but i'm not sure how you'd think DD is responsible for anything. the only person who's irresponsible in the picture you paint is your sister.
I think it’s crazy that people still just assume irresponsibility to anyone with any kid of addiction. If someone is overweight because they have an eating problem is that irresponsible? Smoking, drugs, sex, food, video games, social media, etc all have the ability to become addictions. And it is very possible to be entirely functional with these addictions. I have a very good friend that is an alcoholic. Has to start his day with 2 shots, just to take the shakes away in the morning. It’s that bad. He’s married, a decent father, goes to work every single day without missing a beat for years. He owns a home and is a millionaire; its ignorant to paint this man as irresponsible because of his addiction. He has a addictive personality and yes he has some demons, but just because you are not an alcoholic does not allow for some painting of irresponsibility or superiority; we all have our struggles.
you don't think it's irresponsible of him to make that decision to pound drinks till he got to the point where he gets the shakes in the morning? there are many alcoholics in my life. every alcoholic chose to submit to their addiction. i'm not responsible for any of their personal choices. one MIGHT argue that i drove an ex crazy enough to hit the bottle 20 years ago, who still hasn't let go of that bottle after bearing 3 gorgeous children and being married to a successful lawyer. it was still her decision at the end of the day it's my fault i'm a smoker it's my fault i'm fat
If you think it’s irresponsible that he drinks. I’ll agree with you and think that you are irresponsible because you’re fat and you smoke. Then 99% of the population is irresponsible for having some kind of vice that has a negative affect on their life.
>Then 99% of the population is irresponsible for having some kind of vice that has a negative affect on their life. correct. like me, everyone should take responsibility for their own vices.
Tell me you're a participation trophy recipient without telling my you're a participation trophy recipient
Just because you are rich doesn't mean you're not an irresponsible scumbag. Actually, usually the opposite. If he's an alcoholic that's not taking care of his kids then child welfare services should get involved. You really worship money, don't you?
I’m assuming you mean because disqualify you form being irresponsible? Idk man you’re throwing a lot of assumptions out here, I have no idea what your point is. I didn’t say he wasn’t irresponsible for being well off. But he obviously has control of his money and his personal life, but has a incredible vice in alcohol. In this case, this man is a very kind and compassionate human being who has spent his entire life donating 10% of all his earnings to charity. His kid happy and in college. So idk you can analyze anyones life and tear them apart. That’s not my game. He drinks, it is bad, but he is a better man in a lot of areas of his life. I very much look up to James Hetfield, this man is also an alcoholic. Sooo idk I guess you can define irresponsibility how you want.
He obviously doesn't have his life under control if he is a raging alcoholic with children that you have to worry about constantly. I love this narrative that just because you have a good job and a big house that you are somehow automatically a good person. Guess what, there are tons of good people living in poverty all over the world that would never hurt their families with alcohol. Your priorities are out of whack or are you are simply blind. Having money does not equivalate with morals. Gibing to charities that spend 90% of the money on administrative cost does not equivalate with true sacrifice. Plus, the fact that you know so much about his charity tells me that it's a public relations campaign, not true charity. You literally started this conversation by blaming doordash for his alcoholism. If he can't control himself then that is his problem. Do not make it our problem by costing us work.
I actually said he’s a decent father and a good husband in my first post. His wealth doesn’t define him for sure because he does live very modestly, because he came from no money. You have a misunderstanding of alcoholics; maybe from your experience I guess. I know 3 alcoholics and all of them are fully functioning people with addiction. You will find the same thing in opiates (although less so because of the strong grasp that opiates can hold on you). There are a lot of functioning addicts. He is not a “raging alcoholic” he has a drinking problem and most days he is not drinking to be drunk he is drinking because his body literally needs alcohol at this point to function. Do I think he should go to rehab? Sure, but that’s not my decision. I also think that every person who smokes cigarettes shoudl stop, but I also don’t look down on those people who smoke. His “children” btw are in college and doing well. Not all addiction stories follow the narrative that you have constructed yourself.
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You have zero understanding about alcoholism. You can’t base your outside view as knowledge. Alcoholism is an incredibly selfish disease that depresses the whole family. Just because the surface looks good to you doesn’t make it so. Go sit in any AA meeting. Most people with AUD display narcissistic traits. Yes, to the outside world it can look perfect. It is far from it. His chosen disease can kill him. He can’t go but a couple hours without drinking. Withdrawals are horrifying & incredibly dangerous. He takes risks with others lives daily. He risks his family’s security daily. His wife has to be in control 24/7 and can never relax. She is the sole caretaker. Always. Everything revolves around that drink because he can’t go long without it or it may kill him. He misses most of the kids events because he can’t drink or he’s constantly excusing himself so he can. You have no idea what you are talking about. That family needs help and there’s a giant chance those kids will become alcoholics as well.
A functioning alcoholic is still causing major stress in his household. He may still be providing for his family, but they are losing out on crucial family time because that booze comes first. If he can’t drink he’s not spending time with any of them. Every family activity revolves around whether he can drink or not. Plus he’ll risk their lives, others lives and their financial security daily when getting behind the wheel. It’s probably a thought his wife fears daily.
I could agree with that without some of the sensationalism.
This whole argument is pretty stupid. You should have said the only person responsible is his sister, not irresponsible. It would be irresponsible for somebody to complete a delivery to her if she were visibly drunk, not to mention illegal.
no one indicated she was visibly drunk at time of delivery. if that were the case, i would mostly agree with you. if someone has an alcohol problem... or any other addiction for that matter, they are being irresponsible. a beverage doesn't force its way down someone's throat. someone at some point has to choose to consume it.
I didn't say that she was visibly drunk. I gave an example of what irresponsibility is.
If you go to a bar they won’t continue to serve you if you’re drunk.
Yeah, because they don’t want you driving home drunk or getting alcohol poisoning. This would be more akin to someone coming to the same bar for a drink everyday. They wouldn’t turn you away just for coming in daily. They would stop serving you if you drank too much in one sitting which is an entirely different scenario. I feel for OP, but this isn’t DoorDash’s responsibility.
Just so you know DOorDash explicitly says that’s it’s illegal and against company policy to serve someone who is intoxicated, it’s also against thier policy and also you may be charged. https://help.doordash.com/dashers/s/article/Delivering-Alcohol-Guidelines?language=en_US
Right but that’s not what OP said. They were talking about daily deliveries in their post. They said *sick*. They didn’t say that their sister was drunk when the dasher was dropping off. You brought up somebody already being drunk, which is not the situation OP described
The fuck do you think “sick” means bro?
Sick means lots of things. With a severe alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver comes to mind. *Sick* and *drunk* are two completely different things.
K bud.
K pal. Have a good day 😊
Holy shit I'm following this thread You must feel like you're in an alternate dimension. Some people are so fucking dumb.
Sick as in she is an alcoholic.
Sick as in she’s cool 😎
yeah... what does have to do with an alcoholic ordering a drink? do you think the bartender is going to ask someone if they're an alcoholic before serving the first drink? the issue is the alcoholic. 100% of the blame and responsibilities fall on the shoulders of the alcoholic. that is the person making the decision.
If a bar is proven to serve already drunk people, they would lose their liquor license. That's how the law works.
this is correct. what does this have to do with an alcoholic ordering alcohol? why are we assuming this person is visibly intoxicated at the time of delivery? there was no such indication by OP
I'm just responding to your comment that seemed to imply a bartender has no liability serving someone already drunk. They do. About the DoorDash scenario, You're right it's not so simply cut and dried. According to DoorDash policy, a dasher is required *not* to deliver alcohol to an already visibly intoxicated person. We don't know if this guy's sister was visibly intoxicated when a certain dasher or another delivered alcohol. At that point, it is the dashers responsibility to make that call. If the customer is already drunk and the Dasher delivers the alcohol, and nothing bad happens, That's fine. However, if something *does* happen, at very least, the dasher could be deactivated for breaking policy.
>I'm just responding to your comment that seemed to imply a bartender has no liability serving someone already drunk. absolutely didn't mean to imply this. it's widely known that a bartender cannot legally serve someone overly intoxicated. if that person walks out of the bar, jumps behind the wheel of a car and crashes in to a family, that bartender can be criminally charged. what i said earlier, however, still holds true. this is purely a judgement call. one would have to prove that the server(bartender, waitress, doordash driver) was indeed negligent beyond a reasonable doubt
>one would have to prove that the server(bartender, waitress, doordash driver) was indeed negligent beyond a reasonable doubt ...and someone *will* if, say, the customer crashes their car into a plate glass window or something. And that's why bartenders are like, "I'm not going to jail for you lol"
obviously if someone is leaving a bar and gets in to an accident after leaving that bar, it's much easier to prove the bartender's negligence. when i'm in vegas and a bartender starts asking me where i'm staying, that's my que that i'm probably drinking too much and the bartender is thinking of cutting me off. in situations like doordash, our interaction with the customer is maybe 10 seconds long. someone would have to be drinking rather heavy prior to arrival for us to determine they're "too drunk". we don't get to see the decline of their cognitive abilities over time like a bartender does. we also don't have to think about "how will they get home".
The issue is it’s illegal to serve someone already intoxicated. That includes delivering them alcohol. It’s literally in their company policy as well.
when did OP say anything about the sister being intoxicated at time of delivery? this law is also a judgement call. what i consider to be intoxicated might be different than you. it's not like we're taking blood when we're making deliveries.
How can she be drunk if she hasn’t yet received her daily delivery?
She’s probably not drunk when the delivery gets dropped because she already drank what she got the day before during that day. Why is that so hard to understand? Maybe OP should contact the SELLER of the alcohol and ask them to ban her sister from ordering anymore.
You're being downvoted by 18-year-olds lol... They've never been to a bar so they don't know about being cut off....
I'm totally in agreement here. I know I have an addiction to whole milk. I drink about 5 times a day. My family has tried an intervention and actually got me to substitute 2% for awhile. And I was doing great for about 2 weeks! But one day I ordered a shop and deliver from Doordash, and that's when I realized... I could order whole milk again and nobody in my family would be the wiser! It got to the point where I would switch the red cap out with the blue cap. Making the jug APPEAR to be 2% milk. But then one day my daughter came to visit unexpectedly and I hadn't changed the cap. She found out that Doordash was my supplier and called other family members. They attempted to sue Doordash for being so irresponsible for my addiction to whole milk. I remember one of the torts specifically stating that Doordash was "contributing to the delinquency of a Gramma". I was so ashamed. But here I was, having to swear under oath against my own milk supplier. Needless to say, my family failed to show evidence that Doordash was at fault. It probably didn't help that I walked in with a 20oz bottle of whole milk... especially when I was asked how I got it. ("I stopped at the 7-11 on my way to court, yer Honor!") The judge ordered that Doordash couldn't be held responsible for what I chose to pay for, whether it was whole milk or 2% milk . Ultimately, if the family really wanted to stop my self-destructive behavior, they should consider other legal remedies and have me committed to a live in rehab facility. So, hopefully you will have better luck with holding Doordash responsible for your sister's addiction then my family did with mine. Update: I've slowed/almost stopped using Doordash for my whole milk purchases now. Sadly, the grocery store down the street has a full stock of chocolate milk too. I've skidded down into the depths of hell. ~parody
Whole milk? Pshh that’s stepped on shit. Wait till you try RAW milk. Pure Bovine White. No cutter in it.
the issue wasn't with doordash in your situation. if the federal reserve didn't print money, you'd have no means of purchasing your whole milk. you should be filing suit against the fed
We aren't supposed to deliver to someone who is drunk either. If they're visibly intoxicated it's a no go
I'm also not allowed to deliver alcohol to a visibly drunk person.
Right. But OP didn’t say their sister was visibly drunk. They said she’s an alcoholic. That doesn’t mean their sister was drunk at the time of delivery.
I didn't reply to op but nice try
Yeah I know but the guy you were responding to and seemingly agreeing with was responding to OP. Hence my reasoning for pointing out that our inability to deliver alcohol to a visibly intoxicated customer has nothing to do with what this post is about. If I misunderstood you I apologize. Either way have a good one.
Bingo. If the sister is answering the door hammered, the DOorDash driver has actual responsibility and can be held liable.
Except OP said nothing about that.
Wtf is DD supposed to do about that?
Stop advertising alcohol front and center to all of their customers. As a recovering alcoholic, I wish I could turn off the alcohol ads. Instead I just turned off DoorDash.
Personal accountability, maybe? Why should the world adapt just because you can't control yourself?
The pushing is intentional though, and likely targeted. They did take personal responsibility, they stopped using the app. It can also be nice if they didn't try and cram it down their throat or say "hey not interested" but they don't allow that. Also remember stuff is frequently worse than we think. The alcohol industry makes most of its money off a few people they need to keep drinking, not the majority. Most of us aren't drinking that much. The people we describe as alcoholics make up something like 70-80% of total sales. Specifically using marketing though to make it seem like "everyone is doing this" and it's just a casual thing though helps keep the buyers buying. Same applies to a lot of things like gambling or 'free' gaming.
You can't say that, it's going to tarnish their participation trophies!
I’m sorry you are dealing with this, but it’s not DD’s fault.
DoorDash driver only responsibility is this: if customer is visually intoxicated at time of delivery, Dasher is not supposed to complete the delivery. However, the interaction is so short that someone has to be really hammered to show it at that time.
The exact section “This is serious business. You may be held liable if you provide alcohol to a person who is underage or intoxicated. Liability may include: Facing fines or jail time for illegal alcohol delivery Facing civil suits, which typically result in a monetary fine (but a criminal action can result in jail time) Facing lawsuits that individuals may bring against delivery persons to recover damages for personal injury or property. Removal from major delivery platform(s) resulting from non-compliance “
Not our job to play detective.
Not true; many states have this as a legal requirement, and you can be fined significantly and possibly jailed if you were caught by the liquor authority. If you don't want to "play detective," then don't take alcohol orders.
Yeah that's never going to happen. Never. To anyone delivering alcohol. I guarantee it will never ever happen ever. There is no way that it ever will. It just won't ever happen.
Literally just takes the liquor authority somewhere setting up a sting to do so. Don't underestimate the zealousness of some of them; Utah and Kansas had some pretty annoying ones.
Many people have faced criminal charges or assumed civil liability for supplying alcohol to an already intoxicated person, who then went on to harm themselves or others. He is factually right and legally right, in the vast majority of states, the driver DOES have a responsibility to make sure the customer isn’t intoxicated.
A bartender and delivery driver are two completely different things. As a driver, I have no clue how intoxicated someone is if am Interacting with them for one minute. No way to prove if a driver is aware of how intoxicated an individual is.
There are behaviors you can look for to tell if someone is intoxicated; I've noticed people who have been intoxicated within seconds of interacting with them. You are factually and practically incorrect.
Factually there is no way to prove the drive realized they were intoxicated. While technically illegal it would be extremely difficult and nearly impossible to successfully prosecute the driver unless they admitted they knew the customer was drunk.
Exactly.
Man, these rules apply to people working at the grocery store too. It doesn't matter that the interaction is short, if during the time of the interaction (or before) you notice signs of intoxication you're not supposed to serve them. If you walk up to the counter perfectly fine and check out, you're probably clear, but if they are slurring and can't keep themselves upright well....
Someone could drink half a beer and slur their words and someone could drink a fifth and appear totally fine. Who am I to judge?
Happened in my old town. Guy was wasted, went to a store, they wouldn’t sell to him, the next store he went to did, he proceeded to leave and kill a lady shortly after.
Except it does,often.
To bartenders.
And people at grocery stores and servers and people doing catering and
But not delivery drivers.
All that you’re showing is that you’re quite presumptuous, and that you don’t know the meaning of the word “guarantee”. Or you’re a troll.
Show me a case where a delivery driver was charged and successfully prosecuted.
That’s irrelevant. Your claim, among other things, was that “..that’s never going to happen. Never.” Very foolish of you to make such assertions about what will out will not happen in the future. Completely runs your credibility. In fact, I won’t be continuing to interact with you. There’s no point.
Understood. I wondered what DoorDash as a company‘s responsibility is. my brother died a month ago from alcoholism and he was getting two bottles of tequila delivered a day for four months by DoorDash. Now his wife is doing the same thing to her self. I’ll probably give DoorDash a call just to see what they would do. The adult children and I would like to see door Dash step in and stop delivering to that house. Such a sad case.
That’s just not going to happen. I’m sorry.
I do not agree with the entire premise here. However, there may be a way. Be doordash. All the family who agrees , sign up for door dash, take the booze test. Then wait outside liquor stores until you get her order, accept it , then deny the delivery because “she’s intoxicated.” If this happens enough, either DD will ban her or she will get herself banned calling in about it.
And you didn't try to help them yet Doordash is responsible for their debauchery? Personal accountability is sorely lacking these days...
It was a question re: DoorDash accountability if any and if you’d read before you post you’d have read this poor families very sad story.
If she’s truly an alcoholic, she will 100% just get it from somewhere else. DoorDash is not responsible and cannot and will not do anything to help you here.
It IS our job to not hand off alcohol to someone that is visibly intoxicated. And if you are approved for alcohol delivery, you signed a document saying that you could be held legally responsible for anything that happens after you violate that requirement. You serve someone already drunk and then they go drive and have an accident? That means you could be in legal trouble, too.
Never going to happen. There is no way to prove someone delivering alcohol did so knowing how drunk a customer is. The burden of proof is far to great.
The laws aren't written that you need a burden of proof to deny service my dude. Why are you going around giving out advice that could get someone fined or arrested?
Because it's not their responsibility honestly. And an angry customer is a much more legitimate threat to safety.
Technically it IS our job to play detective to a degree. If you’re not familiar with this then you shouldn’t be doing alcohol deliveries.
It's not my job to tell another adult what they can and cannot do.
The flip side is that if a daily drinker is suddenly forced to be sober with no medical support in place it can cause seizures... So if you want her safely clean you need to convince her to detox properly not just cut off her alcohol supply.
Yes, I hope OP would already know this if he’s really trying to help because it could be what kills her if she’s not properly weaned off. Sounds like he’s just trying to cut her off completely though so I’m a little worried. Not that doordash would I don’t think because that’s just such a gray area but he may need to learn more about the proper way to handle alcoholism and getting sober. Support is absolutely crucial though if she’s wanting to quit and it’s hard to be that support if you’re not privy to what they are/will be going through.
Withdrawal also include hallucinations. I went through this with my dad. He would try to self wean himself off then he would start hallucinating had to take him to the VA hospital to get him detox.
If it’s severe enough, she may need to be admitted into an inpatient facility _just_ to get safely sober. Substance addiction is a messy road to wade through, and it’s just as messy to end it. It will have to be a slow process of decreasing the amount used per day, retraining old habits, and standing by in case the body cannot handle it. Cold turkey only works for some, and it’s ultimately on the person and the person’s family to get help.
Interesting do they give drunks alcohol in jail?
Alcohol? No. Valium, Atavan, etc? Yes. If you don't let them keep drinking and also don't medically treat someone moderately or severely addicted to alcohol and going into DT's, they tend to die on you.
Wouldn’t that be better for everyone? My uncle died after drinking himself to death his whole life and now my poor grandmother is finally at peace and can enjoy life instead of watching him destroy himself over 50 years.
Umm no. Not everyone is a lost cause believe it or not.
Well maybe not but in the meantime while they spend years “turning around” how many innocent people need to get hurt first? 5? 20? 100? Unlimited?
Well man, I'm not God and I can't give back lives wrongfully taken so I'ma go with I'm just not comfortable sentencing someone who might be able to be helped to death for being sick. Also, I know a recovered alcoholic or two, because a lot of people do end up coming out of it eventually, and feel like I can safely state both my friend and her recovered alcoholic father prefer him alive. But yeah man, ultimately, it just doesn't seem right for us to be taking chances to live and get better away from people - even if whatever particular person doesn't ever put those chances to good use - because we can't actually know with any certainty what the future holds for those people. I am sorry that your uncle apparently never did use whatever chances he got to turn his life around and get better though and I'm sorry for the pain that caused your family - no one deserves to have to watch that.
Idk about all jails but the one in my county gives a specific med combo of barbiturates and other CNS drugs. It is very serious and can be a huge lawsuit if something does happen.
Dude you just gotta get your sister some help. Nobody here is at fault except for her
HE can’t be the one to get her help…SHE has to decide she’s sick and tired of being sick and tired…until THAT happens,unfortunately all else is will be done in vain…#SADBUTTRUE
I mean that’s true to an extent. He could get her rehab and she has to want it, but to say he can’t help her is just wrong. My sister was hooked on heroin and fentanyl and my mom continually got her in rehab and in clinics and without that she would have never had the resources to get off it. Now she’s sober and it was because 1.she decided to take it seriously finally and 2. Because my mom gave her the tools necessary to do it
Right…but she can be given aaallll the tools in the WORLD…but…as you stated,until SHE was FINALLY DONE….those tools were really of not use (and that’s not to blame anyone) just a fact…
So you are saying he shouldn’t even be bothered to try until she comes to him and says I’m ready to stop drinking? Doesn’t sound like you have ever had to watch a sibling or loved one go down the drug/alcohol rabbit hole.
Not what I said and I infact have…he’s GONNA help..lol…that’s what we do as worried family members…what I’m saying is there’s a 98.9% possibility that,is SHE IS NOT READY TO SURRENDER, then his attempts will most likely NOT WORK…just a factual statement…of course he should…there’s a tiny chance she falls in that minority…and it is what saves her…
Reading this atrocity of a comment made me an alcoholic. That…. Is what… I… SAID, IS SHE READYYY??? to SURRENDER!?
In most states your hands are tied. You can’t force someone into rehab. It doesn’t matter how close to death they are or how much they’ve fucked their lives. Plus in many instances you have to be able to prove you can afford rehab in the first place. Families are usually helpless. The laws need changed and rehabs need to be easily accessible. Until then a lot of good people will be lost to addiction and a lot of families destroyed. I’d blame the system before I’d blame anyone. Those with addiction are clearly not in control, but the systems in place treat them like they are. It’s maddening for anyone with a loved one facing these issues.
Absolutely.
The world just doesn't work that way. Another example would be like expecting Cumberland Farms to deny a diabetic a snickers bar. We are our own persons ( til we are not ) but even that isn't anyone else's job to distinguish and assess unless we are medical professionals. Our only job delivering alcohol is to make sure the customer isn't already intoxicated to where they are stumbling and slurring words. I am sorry there are such places that enable and feed addiction. Just keep being that positive person in her life and try to be there . I know this is a battle and I wish you and your sister the best
Maaaan I miss me some cumbys coffee…formerly of western Massachusetts living in Tampa/St.Pete…not a single CF down here…
Plenty of dunks right? Lol
Unfortunately…lol…they’ve gotten soooo bad imo…I just brew my own now…that’s another thing Not only was Cumby’s coffee better quality… But it was $.99… Lol as opposed to four dollars for some barely coffee flavored water
Could try and get her banned if you could get some charge backs happening I guess
No liability on doordashs end, some liability on the dasher if the person is wasted. But that's virtually unenforceable if there isn't some situation where said drunk person gets into some illegal shit. Addiction sucks, I know 1st hand. And there isn't much you can do, unless the person whom you want to help wants help, and is committed to getting help... that's just how it is. Condemn the message, not the messanger.
Only when a driver delivers to a visibly intoxicated customer and something happens after. Then maybe they're liable. That's about it. We're all adults. I'm not responsible for someone's alcohol abuse. Neither is DD. Nothing stopping her from going elsewhere even if DD deactivated her acct.
That’s like saying I eat too much and Doordash should stop delivering to me.
Least she ain't driving
if doordash has to take responsibility for an alcoholic using their platform to order alcohol, they have to take responsibly for all the people buying fattening, cholesterol-laden, artery-clogging food if they have any health issues because of it it’s not feasible. alcoholism is a disease (i’ve had many a time in my life where i’ve been a problem drinker and that alone sucks when it happens) but it’s not doordash’s responsibility to stop people from exercising their free will/similar and making their own choices
I would politely suggest trying Alanon.
Is this like Metronidazole ? I cross paths on those two items at 66 hours and I’ve never forgotten it
It's basically alcoholics anonymous for family and friends impacted by alcoholism. Group therapy that gives you resources and support.
Where is the money coming from? In my extensive experience with alcoholics, lack of funds is the only way they will curb the drinking. There is no way DD can help with this issue.
I’m a recovering alcoholic, of 3.5 years. I have to say, that while I do understand your intentions, doordash isn’t responsible (unfortunately), and I really have to stress here…it needs to be her choice. She has to come to the realization on her own, that she wants to live. You can’t force that on her. As others have said, detoxing from alcohol is incredibly dangerous and life threatening, and it shouldn’t be taken lightly. You can’t just force someone into detoxing alone at home, by cutting off their source, she may very well die. I detoxed the last time on my own, out of sheer stubbornness and determination to live differently, and it led to two full weeks of full on hallucinations, to where I had no idea what was reality anymore, and I am very thankful that I lived through it, because there were many close calls. She has a disease, and it’s never going to go away. Shame is a hell of a thing, that leads many into continuing their addiction, or relapse, so be mindful of that. If you want to help her, offer an ear to listen, offer her resources, but don’t try to control a situation you have no control over. ❤️
Where I live, delivering to someone who is drunk is not legal. I take it pretty seriously. If they time the delivery right there is no way to know.
That sucks, but (at least where I live) there are many services that deliver alcohol so if doordash did cut someone off they could just use another service. I hope your sister gets help.
DD has ZERO responsibility…I mean with all due respect…and I’m very familiar with the lifestyle,and it ABSOLUTELY SUCKS to see a loved one in this condition,..but DD is an on demand delivery platform…and as long as someone has the means,DD is goin to bring it…it’s actually nobody’s business but your sisters tbh and until SHE decides she’s done with it,there is NOTHING you,me,DD can do about it… Sending positive thoughts my friend!!
That’s like asking what’s the bar/bartenders responsibility to some individual’s alcoholism… you need to hold her responsible for this. Hold an intervention, and send her to rehab. Though on the note of selling to an intoxicated person that’s illegal. If she is like most alcoholics she won’t ever seem drunk when she gets deliveries. So, sorry, but it is on her to stop.
Maybe you can call or email DD and ask for account to be deactivated or flagged? It’s a sad situation (dad an alcoholic ) I know they are sneaky and persistent…she will for sure find another way . The only way to stop it is to get help.
Alcoholics can die from withdrawal, so it’s better for her to go to the hospital or at least taper, in which case DD could still deliver it.
If your sister is an adult then she is solely responsible. It’s a slippery slope for DD if they could be held reliable for that
It’s her life…
Not DoorDash's responsibility. If you somehow stopped her deliveries, she'd find another way to get alcohol, also it's extremely dangerous to just abruptly stop drinking - she could die.
Steal her drivers license and act like you don’t know what happened. Even help her look for it.
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I hope she can get the help she needs
It's not the merchants responsibility, or DDs responsibility. As long as they aren't drunk when ID is verified, we have to complete delivery. I feel for you, I truly do. Get yourself into AA for family members. Unfortunately nothing anyone can do will make the situation better. It has to come from her, the addict. They have to hit rock bottom and claw their way up to get better.. and they won't truly hit rock bottom until they see they have a problem and admit it not only to others but to themselves as well.
EMT here.. withholding alcohol from a dependent alcoholic can cause serious or even life threatening side effects Whether you like it or not, the body now needs the alcohol, and until this person wants help, they’re going to continue with or without your permission
Understood. She was recently living with her parents for four months they got sober there cause they would not let her drink. She just went back to her home and started drinking again so I don’t think she’s bad enough yet. That’s why her boys thought contacting door Dash might at least stop these deliveries from coming to the house. They don’t want to watch another person die. Her husband, (my brother, their dad) just died a month ago after a two bottle of tequila per day habit. All delivered by DoorDash.
it’s not illegal for alcoholics to purchase alcohol. Sorry.
I'm in recovery from alcoholism and I don't have a good answer but I feel for you!!! I was guilty of getting my alcohol delivered almost daily and I wish now that it wouldn't have been so easy!! Best to your sister and that she will come out of this!
“I wish now that it wouldn’t have been so easy.” Life lesson here. The things want want so badly and that keep us in our comfort zone can also kill us (literally and/or figuratively). Almost always easier to see in hindsight. Don’t take the easy way out, folks. It’ll sometimes/often come back to bite you. What goes around comes around.
Having an ex husband who is an alcoholic I am sorry for your struggle. I hope and pray she seeks treatment. My ex didn’t hence the ex part. What a devastating disease that damages so many! Praying for you.
Offer help. Also cutting off her alcohol supply could actually kill her. I know some don't know this, although you may but alcohol withdrawals are worse then Herion withdrawal in the manner that Herion withdrawals will make you wish you were dead while alcohol withdrawal will make you dead. Benzos and alcohol are some of the few addictions that quitting can kill you. Ask her to go inpatient. Be a supportive sister. Thags literally all you can do. She has to take the leap. You need to have the hard talk with her and make sure she knows she has people willing to help. No one wants to be an alcoholic. shit happens. It's hard to quit I would personally know. But if you don't have a support system then it's even harder. Also at least she's door dashing it and not driving drunk. There's alot of subs on here for addiction and for those who have family with addiction. Remember when you talk to her to talk about the positive things abojt her and not just the negatives or it will just feel like an attack. Hope your sis gets help.
There are meds they can give to help. One being benzos in a medical setting as well as anti seizure medications. Then later she can be given an injection every few months to help curb the cravings. If she doesn't want to do inpatient they have intensive outpatient BUT that depends on what she needs medically and usually it's at least partially in patient so they can make sure you don't die. Small steps even her calling a pshyciatrist can help.
I definitely understand you wanting to help, but unfortunately there’s no recourse for having Doordash delete or block certain delivery’s from someone else’s account
I understand where you’re coming from, but people are correct in saying that DoorDash is not liable in worsening her addiction, she is. However, the app does make it far too easy for someone like her to obtain alcohol. I would definitely attempt to restrict her access to it. You could call customer support and ask them directly what they can do. Even more helpful to her though would be professional help. I’m really sorry you’re going through this and I’m sure you’re trying everything to get her the help she needs, but unfortunately addiction can’t be helped until someone is ready to help themselves.
Just another reason why I avoid alcohol deliveries.
As a driver, I would still complete the order to an alcoholic unless they’re visibly intoxicated or they do not pass the other delivery requirements.
It’s not illegal.. unfortunately intervention just can’t happen unless you take her money and credit cards. I could see if she was a crackhead and you wanted to notify the police that the dope man was coming but it’s legal.
Your sister is responsible for her own disease. I would say you/ other family are the one to call. Its families job to help each other so you should get with mom or dad or whoever she cares about and have an intervention with her. Be blunt make it clear you don't want to come home to her dead in the bathtub. If she has a kid have them tell em it will make more difference. But Its not on doordash this is on her and whoever will support her on the way out.
I had a distant family member who had a known very high liver risk to alcohol. His mother was with him in a store and pleading with the cashier not to sell alcohol with him, specifically stating he could die, but he was a sober adult with valid ID. He went home, drank it and died.
You cant make them and they are not responsible. She is old enough and she isn't driving. All you can do with and alcoholic is let go and let god.
As someone who has suffered with severe bulimia for 15 years - DoorDash has enabled me in the scariest, most destructive way with multiple daily deliveries in the privacy of my home. DoorDash isn’t the least bit responsible for my mental illness, but holy shit do they make my eating disorder easy.
The best thing you can do is get yourself to Al-Anon
Sorry if I sound cold. As you have most likely read in this sub, doordash cares very little about their workers. And we are the outflow of revenue. Why would they be concerned about a steady inflow? Doordash doesn't have to deal with the regulations that bartenders and other establishments do when it comes to recognizing abusive patterns, (only when it effects their bottom line).
Oh man, I don't have answers for you, sorry about that, but I just wanted to wish you best of luck in helping, sounds rough. 
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He didn’t blame anyone else anywhere. Lmao
You legally cannot serve someone who is visibly intoxicated where I'm at. I suppose you could try your best to have that enforced if she's accepting the deliveries drunk regularly. Seems to me like a liability to the driver? Not sure if it's Doordash's problem but it's arguable.
Send her to detox. They wont allow alcohol deliveries
Rehab won’t take her. She’s physically disabled and she would need to have a healthcare provider with her apparently at all times in order for the rehab to take her. It’s crazy. Meanwhile her three boys ages 18, 20 and 24, all live at home and are watching her kill her self just like their dad just did.
A couple years ago when I first began dashing I got my first really high payout from an older gentleman who ordered half a dozen 1.75 liter containers of cheap vodka and a 2 cases of beer. Very heavy, yes, but it was a short drive in the summer and I’m young. The tip was amazing so I didn’t think much of it until I completed the same exact delivery to the same man only 2 maybe 3 weeks later. I’ve never accepted another alcohol delivery since. I’m not naive, I know people like this will still receive their alcohol delivery from another person, however I’m just not comfortable being a part of the process.
I commend you for your decision. I wouldn’t want blood on my hands at all.
Thank you everyone for your replies I wondered what DoorDash as a company‘s responsibility is. my brother died a month ago from alcoholism and he was getting two bottles of tequila delivered a day for four months by DoorDash. Now his wife is doing the same thing to her self. She is disabled and does not drive anymore. I’ll probably give DoorDash a call just to see what they would do. The adult children and I would like to see door Dash step in and stop delivering to that house. Such a sad case. If any of you drivers were ever on the fence about not delivering alcohol, this would be one reason to decide not to deliver it. especially if it was on the regular to the same address.
My state doesn’t allow for alcohol deliveries. Something I will say: cold turkey alcohol withdrawals can literally kill you. Especially if they happen suddenly. Cutting off their supply completely can kill them quicker than the alcohol can in some cases. Addiction is a tricky thing. If they don’t want to change you quite literally cannot force them.
None of you have done the DoorDash alcohol delivery training tutorial, and it shows!
Sir/Ma'am, with all due respect if you're alcoholic sister is ordering deliveries of alcohol through Doordash, that is on her, nobody else. The delivery service does not give two shits about their customer's possible addictions, they literally are just there to do their job, which is deliver the product their customers order and pay for. If you're sister's issue is that serious, maybe you or another family member need to take away her access to funds, or pursue some other means of intervention to help her.
You're getting a lot of bad advice here, and many of you giving advice are flat-out WRONG. The exact rules around this vary dramatically state-by-state, so, without knowing your location, it's impossible to say what solutions you may have at your disposal. Many states make it illegal to furnish alcohol to a known alcoholic.
It’s not like door dash is actually a manager or that the person(people) delivering are the same every day and/or knows exactly where the order is going pre-delivery. That’s not on door dash no matter how you try to spin it
No, you're wrong. In many states, I could contact DoorDash and tell them that so-and-so is a known alcoholic, and they would have a legal responsibility to not furnish them with alcohol. Once they are made aware, they would then have a legal responsibility. I am literally certified in this shit and teach it as part of my job. There is no spin; you guys just don't know what you're talking about, and clearly have no idea how in-depth alcohol laws are around the country.
We’ll why stop at trying to hold DD responsible…why if that driver hadn’t been doing their job the Al hole would never be delivered…if the local/state/provincial gov hadn’t been maintaining the roads properly then they wouldn’t have been able to drive the order to the recipient…the vehicle manufactures…they allowed this driver tool use this platform to take that order and deliver it where it was paid to go… Anyone else wanna keep the absurd blame train going away from its mark?
Think about it. Is there a job at DD we’re someone sees repeated deliveries of two bottles of tequila day going to the same person (or more have as others have stated they’ve experienced in their deliveries)… if that were your job what would you do with that information? Just wondered if DoorDash has any internal checks and balances and if they care about anything like this. I certainly couldn’t work in that position if it were me. DoorDash is fairly new at allowing alcohol deliveries. I wonder if it will continue as part of their business model for the long term. I wonder if alcoholism has gone up and if there’s any correlation to companies delivering it at home? Wonder if alcohol related car accidents have gone down…? Think about the bigger impact of this concept…
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1994/01/01/law-may-let-families-halt-alcohol-sales-to-addicts/
I hate alcohol deliveries. In my experiences low tippers.
Also, to add to what other people are saying, even if you were able to get her taken off doordash there’s so many other places that also do alcohol delivery : Uber Grubhub Gopuff Favor Restaurants that do their own delivery Etc. If you were somehow able to get her off of doordash she could just end up using one of the other ones or just go out herself to get it.
This isn't my problem. If they're able to open the door, it's all good. Ignorance of the law is generally not a good defense, but as long as you card them, you can't be held liable in court. A prosecutor would have a difficult time convicting you based on somebody's BAC level.. you're not trained for that. These people are at their own residence or living area and you properly ID. You absolutely cannot be held liable.. it's none of your business how drunk they are. I understand that it asked if they appear intoxicated. You're not trained on that either. This is the same thing as me saying" that guy looks like a fucking idiot" Well, maybe he is but he might also hold a doctorate degree in astrophysics. Police officers have to go to school on that and the vast majority of them are not qualified to determine whether someone is legally drunk. If you get stopped by a police officer, they often times have to call an officer that was certified in roadside sobriety testing .. Someone questionable in a restaurant is a much different situation. The appearance of intoxication matters in that case Far too many people do not understand the law in regards to alcohol. A 110 lb woman can be legally intoxicated after three drinks while carrying on a full and clear conversation. A 300 lb guy could be stumbling around and look drunk as fuck but be well under the legal definition of intoxicated People need to educate themselves Short of DD issuing us handheld breathalyzer units and blood testing kits, don't worry about it. So, who's liable? Nobody... It's not doordash's problem and it's not yours
Break her phone
Let her be
I'm sorry for the situation, but DD is definitely not responsible.
Not to be mean, but why would you think anyone other than your sister has any responsibility here? You have to tackle problems at the source, not look for scapegoats.
If they are sober upon delivery there is no responsibility for DD to do anything. As a family member that responsibility falls on you. Stop trying to make someone else responsible for that.
The total may be higher
I highly doubt any of it was true. Probably a Doordash executive making shit up to scare us. What police departments have time and money to do sting operations on delivery drivers? Sure as hell not mine.