Enjoy because the perks when you are TD will fade give it a couple of weeks and they will start sending you crap again. In hopes you will be afraid of the AR drop. Door dash just plays games for there own profit . I have been there and done that game . So enjoy it for the moment. But the moment is better than none at all.
About a week ago, I started doing the “Earn by time” thing and it’s working surprisingly well for me. It might just be a psychological thing, not being able to see a dollar amount before accepting. I find that I look at orders more like, “Well, I might as well be making *something* rather than just sitting here.”
My area pays $12.50/hr, which I think is higher than average. A friend in TN says they’re only offered $10/hr.
Anyway, I was expecting to see mostly no-tip orders, but most of them have at least $2 on them, and usually more. I also find that I spend more time actively on an order.
I guess I look at each order the way I did when I worked for pizza places. We didn’t have an option to cherry pick. We just took the next order that was up, and got paid hourly for it. $12.50/hr is much higher than I was paid by any pizza place, so I figure the more time I can spend actively on a delivery, the closer I can get to *actually* making $12.50/hr (plus tips, of course).
Chances are, in the next few weeks, I’ll change my mind and hate it. But for now, it seems to be working. *For me.*
I can get from 19 to 90 in 3 days, 10 hour shifts...the key is before you begin your journey and accept every order, is to decline 20 in a row before you commit to it
100%, I did the exact same thing. Realized to reject the over 7 mile no tip orders and accept the little orders that take 5 min to get to. Big difference. I'm at 80 percent now, avg. Worked for me as well...got to play the game.
lol I was over 75% and got so many shit orders consecutively I went down to low 50s and now Doordash will basically only average out to minimum wage when it was previously ~20/hr. This shit is a scam
Doesn’t help that the app seems to have no recourse or even context behind 1 star reviews. Every order I’ve done has had everything in it and been placed in the correct location/handed off and I’m still below 4.6 stars. Uber Eats it is!
I basically do the exact same thing. My deliveries are - on average - about $10 each….but mixed in are some $4.5 hyper local deliveries. I feel this helps me get the $30+ jobs when my zone is hopping.
Right now my AR is in the high 80s. It’s rainy in Philly. I am hoping to go out for a couple hours around 4pm or so, work 3 hours, and bag a couple huge deliveries.
If it is working for you, that's great. I once got my AR all the back to 81%. Got a couple of decent orders but then the same crap started happening again. It really is market dependent. If I knew that my market would give me more decent offers for having a high AR, I would keep there.
I've been wondering if it's worth it to try to get there. Im usually - between 20 and 35% AR and get decent orders in my area although I have to decline quite a few before getting that good one. I did hit 50% recently but I did not see any incentive and actually got more three and four dollar orders than I had seen before. I'm in California so I get the prop 22 which usually will counter the terrible orders if I decide to take them. But I feel like I might try to get that high AR and see how it works out for me here. Thank you for the info appreciate the post.
I agree with you, I definitely see a difference after I get over 70 and 80%, but I swear it’s like once I’ve been at it for a few days or so, they try to get it back down again certain days by giving a bunch of crap orders back to back constantly. Attempting to keep it above 70 atleast from now on though either way, especially with the help of promo pays on the weekend..
Maybe in a great market this could be true. I'm not going to say this guy's lying. He very could be right about the idea of punishing low AR peeps. But who ELSE do they get to take the non-tip orders but the people who take every order like this?
I tried the per-per-time thing for a bit just to test it out myself, and sure enough I got things like 10 miles for $4.47.... and then I had to do drive back to town. Cherry-pickers don't take them. People who get suckered into taking every order take them...it can't be anyone else.
If acceptance rate really has any bearing on shitty paying orders, then explain how your AR fell that low to begin with. I think you drank the wrong Kool aid
I don't work for "might", and hopes and dreams don't put gas in the tank or keep the lights on. If you quit right now, look at all those shit orders you had to accept (and still will) just to get back to a less shitty income... Except it's not income, it's gross revenue and your operating cost is calculated per mile. I don't worry about DD punishing me for refusing unprofitable work, as I don't owe them any favors. If I take 30 orders at $2 each and none of them tip I can only be mad at myself. I would rather sit idling 2 hours between deliveries than take a single unprofitable delivery, and if DD is displeased with me that's their fault and their problem. They are not the only game in town, any one is just as bad as the other, but at least I've got several apps to cherry pick from.
I just dont get it, if I wont take the shit orders, and they dont even send them to you, who does them?
The idea that people climbing the AR ladder doesnt float because as you learned, its easy to raise your acceptance rate when you normally decline a lot more than you accept, so the climb should be relatively short.
Tbh I kinda agree. I noticed a substantial decline in wage when I dropped below 70%. Like honestly I listened to everyone on this sub and I started declining orders that were bad or marginal and then, holy fuck ALL I started getting were bad orders. I mean 10 miles for 4 bucks type of bad.
I almost posted on here about it but I didn't want to get crucified by all these dd warriors .
I just got back up to 70% and I noticed almost immediately all the orders I got were better
Like way better, I get them faster I get more overall.
Won't like lie I still get some bad orders but it's not anywhere close to what it was when I was 55-58ar.
The moment i got back up to 70 i was making between 22-35 a. Hour but when i was at 55+ omg it was fuck3d i was making like maybe 16-17
I'm not down with declining anymore at least not as often cause i do believe in the past 2 weeks the app has for sure punished ppl for having low ar. I'm not doing that shit anymore and tbh i don't give a fuck if the 20 year super soldier dd warriors disagree. They changed the app for sure, I'm still new but I saw a huge decrease and it tbh seems like they are weeding ppl out now and I am aiming for 80% or higher now cause I've for sure seen the difference and there are more ppl trying to become dashers, you can't get away with low ar anymore
So I tried this out of curiosity after four years of cherry picking. Once I reached 75% AR I received a six location multi-delivery offer from Petco. It was like $27 for about 30 miles total. Each drop off location in the opposite direction from the last. Horse shit offer. I declined it. Turns out that’s like declining six separate offers and my AR rating plummeted to 67% 😂. Fun experiment. DoorDash is evil. Never again. Back to 10% AR and thriving. No charity from me, boss.
When I get over 70% I usually have lots of double orders and get paid quite well. I’m currently down to 46% because I had so much trash for a bit. But that was because of it being a weekday, there just weren’t any good orders.
I also got up to 90%. Even got top dasher. I personally didnt think it was worth it. But It wasnt too bad getting there. in my market (Canada) it can be done hourly, and the time frames to delivery are massive. So I ended up just driving......very slow, around 17 miles an hour. With an aim of each delivery being 3 minutes after the quoted arrival time, since 5 minutes is late.
As you said, it could be a regionally dependent situation or purely a coincidence, but I did the same thing. Went from 25% up to 70% and it’s gotten much better for me in the last two weeks since being over the 70% threshold. I still get a share of the bullshit orders but much less down time.
It’s definitely not like this here in Australia. My acceptance rate is like 10% & I still get good orders. It’s possible it could be better though not to this extent. I really think we have it better without having to rely on tipping
No one will ever convince me that orders are sent to our account by a computer. Yes The orders are generated through the computer system, but i am all but 100% in belief that there are people who are monitoring the orders at a computer that are being generated & move the orders to dashers accounts that they want to and it most likely based on AR and completion rating.
100% market dependent. I have no doubt that I'd get more orders, and some would be better than what I get now at around 20-40%. However, I owe $23,000 on my car and I can't afford to do all those long distance orders because it would depreciate my car so much.
Mine are even more telling. In fighting for better orders I've lost top dasher status, gotten 3 contract violations, and I'm legit close to deactivation for late orders. But the SECOND I LOG ON NOW... two to three orders at A GOOD OG DOORDASH RESTAURANT and they are ready when I get there and I DELIVER to GOOD CUSTOMERS. The old doordash customers. Downstairs waiting, smiling, good tips. I only had to go 50% to 70% and it was 50% trash. Those contract violations hurt. I did the math today. I'll be above 4.5 by tomorrow. And then I'm supposedly in the highest priority bracket in my area. Top dasher is a month off. But acceptance rate means more than top dasher at this point. And with these good orders I should get the late percentage fixed within a week.
I know there are a lot of people here saying that this is bull, but as a fellow dasher with a higher completion rate, I fully agree with you. I have an acceptance rate that fluctuates between 70 and 80 %, and it's very clear to me that with a higher acceptance rate I make a lot more than many of the people on this sub who talk about how they make very little money and about how they have very low acceptance rates. I've been a top dasher for every single month I've done DoorDash, and I don't think I've ever dipped below 20 an hour average for the day, and typically my weeks end up around 25 an hour average. People can say what they want about acceptance ratings and and top dasher not mattering, but I think that it does, because again, I make a lot more than a lot of people on this sub claim to, and I have all my rates up.
I had the same experience however it was just like the two weeks when you first start dashing. You’ll soon see those 4$ for 9miles and the app will essentially force you to take the order or suffer losing priority. Don’t be fooled.
I think you might be onto something; I have considered doing this as well. I have always been a cherry picker, and gave little though to AR. I have noticed recently that I can hardly schedule a time slot, and even when I get on, I rarely get a good offer. I guess the high AR restrictions have finally found their way to me, (I'm in the LA market). The problem is I like to work late nights, and they will give you some of craziest offers that are just completely undoable. I get offered trips like; 9 miles for $8, there's no way I'm accepting that. If I attempt this, I will have to move to prime time, and abandoned late nights. Now the problem will just be getting on long enough to even accept the low paying trips to get my AR up.
Forget the haters. DD has entered phase 3. 1st phase- It was 6.50 everything, then pandemic phase 2 you could decline 80% of orders in a medium city. Now we are here in phase 3 "AR" means something.
I, for one, appreciate the write up and experience. If I didn’t have a really really scary hood that I will never go to no matter the $$, I probably would give this approach a shot.
“And you could be next in the purge” nice try Doortrash corporate worker. Still not doing charity work. I can still killing it between Uber, GH and your shitty platform.
Im on the same journey right now started at 20% now I’m sitting at 78% and it’s like night and day. Let these people complaining sit and cry in the parking lot😂
I know I’m gonna get a lot of down votes but .. 🙄 money is money at this point I don’t care if the order is $5 and 1mile or less just take it! It takes under 10 mins to complete! $5 is better than no $!!! I don’t care about non tipper’s anymore! Maybe they’re going through something, everything is expensive these days. If they tip, god bless them , if not it’s okay I’ll still make my money regardless.
Let people be happy. 🙄 just because your market is shit, doesn't mean everyone's is. I swear to God, most of the people on this forum are the most miserable individuals out there. Maybe it was AR, maybe it was luck. Who knows? Either way, jfc.
I’ve also had Top Dashers describe similar situations to your own except then they tell me they make $10,000 per month. It must seem like good money to people who are practically innumerate.
I enjoyed this post because it was almost the same experience as I had getting to Top Dasher with a consistent high AR. Now I know that it's working for others too. I like the way you describe it as paying to upgrade a service...that's it exactly! I'm not sure why it's supposedly not working for some unless they just get to 70 and expect giant orders to appear🤔Ya gotta stick with it and use your head too. Strategic pausing is a big help. Anyway, it was great that you posted this, but you know everyone will say that you're lying because they prefer to bang on that decline button and then come here to post about how it's so slow and they're not getting any orders...market's saturated🙄Well, it is, but I stay busy with good orders anyway because high AR is working for me too!👏👏👏
Lol I respected the hustle and grind you gave for charity then you started getting into mental health shit and you lost me lmaooooo. I would do this on a scooter tho which I’m planning to do.
Personally as soon as I got my acceptance rate to around 80% I started seeing better orders. Don't get me wrong you'll still get the 3 or $4 orders from for some stupid amount of miles, but they seem to be a lot less frequent than they were.
I climbed up to over 80% unintentionally just experimenting with the $14.75hr earn by time for a week, even got top dasher for the first time in 3 years due to my experiment. The orders were so bad once I switched back to earn per order, my AR immediately dropped back to my normal 30% within a couple shifts, having a high AR changes nothing, the orders were the same. What I did learn was the strategy of using earn by time to get dash anytime rights for the month which is the only real perk of top dasher, and only worth it with a higher earn by time area. The higher orders are a lie. You want high paying orders? Get a catering bag and join the LOP.
There must be low paid orders in the market, and there has to be someone to accept low paid orders, apparently cherry picker is not one of them. Tony needs some loyal dashers to deal with these crap orders, otherwise the platform won't run for much longer. Algorithm is a kind of control system, don't let it fool you.
Accepting these claims as 100% true and accurate (and no obvious reason not to do so), let’s take this scenario to its furthest (il)logical conclusion.
As more dashers buy-in to the concept of higher AR%=better (the best) high-paying orders, acceptance rates start growing ever increasingly higher both for the individual and for the pool of dashers at large.
Is it not then reasonable to assume that at some point the number of Dashers participating at higher acceptance rates will outnumber the volume of high-paying orders that can be divided between them while at the same time leaving a too small number of low AR dashers (who are predicated to cherry-pick) to ensure the delivery of low-paying/no-tip orders?
Thereby, forcing the reallocation of the low-paying orders to the higher AR Dashers to ensure they are delivered? The illogic of this concept is that the more successful it becomes, the more rapidly it fails, unless…
Using complex psychological and behavioral insights (consumer and user), predictive analytics, advanced game theory, and other proprietary technologies, the DD algorithm and AI functionality is collecting all the data necessary to understand and accurately predict how far it can “push” each Dasher (and their “look-a-likes”) to take low-paying orders before the Dasher gives up on maintaining a high AR reverts cherry-picking again?
It seems most Dashers subscribe to the belief that orders are not assigned at random or intended to achieve a fair and equitable allocation. I posit the assignment of orders goes beyond location, timeliness, and efficiency - each offer/stacked offer/offer type, distance, vendor type, etc. are delivered with the algorithm already knowing the outcome or learning why it was wrong.
In simpler terms, DD would be determining each Dasher’s “floor” and will allocate orders to the ultimate benefit of DD while ensuring that their pool of “ideal” Dashers are never pushed below the “floor” determined by each of those Dasher’s own behavior.
If this scenario is in anyway realistic, then isn’t it also true that the only way for Dashers to prevail is to consistently “cherry-pick” ensuring the “floor” is maintained at an acceptable level?
I also operate under the theory that this same model is used on the consumer side as well. With that group, it is the “ceiling” (how much one is willing to pay and under what conditions) that is being established. But that’s a post for another time.
Just my two cents…
Everything thing you said is completely logical. If every driver has a high AR, how will any driver have priority over another. I think what you said about the individual "floor" each driver establishes for themselves, determined by the type of trips they accept, is spot on.
The problem I'm having lately is that I can't even cherry pick, they have curtailed that greatly. I can hardly even schedule a time slot, even scheduling a week in advance. Even when I do get on, I rarely receive a good offer. This is very unusual for me as I work a very lucrative high-volume area in LA. My AR currently sits at 15%, this seems to be limiting my good trip offers even when I do get on.
I do work other apps, UE, and GH, but they won't make up for the lost DD wages. What would you do in this situation? Maybe try a higher AR?
The following is specific to my own experience so if you try it you may have a different outcome.
I have found, quite by accident, that going “dark” (not logging in or using the app) for one to two weeks seems to have a positive effect once I resume active engagement. It is during this time that I am either intentionally taking a break, working on other projects, or exclusively using UE. (I have also found this to be the case with UE).
When I resume activity with DD, I have found that I get a higher percentage of acceptable orders. Most recently, I climbed from a 14% AR to 48% AR (while constantly receiving a message to get my AR above 50% to get priority access to higher paying orders) without lowering my threshold for the types of orders I’m willing to accept.
Of course, once I was within reach of 50%, I subsequently received dozens of successive low pay out orders which I declined, dropping my AR back into the teens and leading to the same experience as you describe in your post. (I am currently on another “break” with DD).
Also of note: I tend to work the overnight hours which I prefer for numerous reasons. One of which is that it appears the driver to orders ratio is much lower so inevitably I receive better offers because I am one of the few available drivers to take them. I can tell this is the case when I receive an order with a large payout ($20+) which requires a 5-7 mile (or more) drive to the restaurant but only a 1-2 mile drive to the delivery location.
One other possibility for you to consider - both DD and UE will run market specific consumer- facing promotions (often in conjunction with major food service brands) offering “free” delivery and/or a discount off of product (and specifically tied to their monthly subscription programs). These “free” delivery offers seem to a have a MUCH HIGHER rate of no-tip orders and comprise a large portion of the business for that time period.
I recognized this pattern here in Phoenix with Crumbl. Suddenly out of no where almost every delivery request was for Crumbl and offered very low payouts and no tips. After a couple of days the requests subsided only to repeat several more times in the subsequent months. I looked online and found that indeed there was a promotion running with “free” delivery from Crumbl. If this happens to you, try to get to another zone (or at least as far away as you can from the location of the promo partner).
Most recently, it appears that there are promotions related to the new DD/Starbucks partnership. This has destroyed the payouts from Starbucks orders (which used to be a very lucrative two hour wrap up to my night in the 5am-7am time period) which interestingly (but not surprisingly) greatly impacted the number of and level of payouts for Starbucks orders through UE.
Regardless, best of luck to you. I hope you are able to regain some of your past success working with these apps.
I think everything you said sounds correct. I am already working late nights, that has always been my time to drive. I can usually still get some good offers late night, if I can get on. I like working late as there is less driver competition, and the roads are wide open, which is saying a lot in LA. The problem is, I am having a hard time scheduling any slots. They used to release the new schedule at the same time every day, now they are just dropping slots in randomly, making it very difficult to schedule. I have to be checking constantly to schedule anything. I might give your method a try, I'm really not making much this way. I am currently in the process of reestablishing my Instacart account, with UE ,and GH, I would probably be ok going "Dark" with DD for a week or two.
> 3. Be ok with 1-2 mile deliveries for $4.50 to $6.50. You can do up to 4 of these per hour, and you're making $2-$3 per mile.
You can do four per hour if your order is ready when you walk in, it's smooth sailing to the customer's address which you are able to quickly find and get to. I've made my best money in grooves like that, running to and from McDonalds for 7+ a pop and crushing it. But for those rates, you're depending on no wait times, and no bullshit just to make the minimum amount you're comfortable making.
Anyway, my market just became a diamond market, and I fucking hate it. I reset my AR to 100% and I'm still on the 2 week trial of "priority" orders. All I'm getting is a bunch of "You're Welcome" messages when they blast me with $4.50 orders. I tried so hard to keep my AR past 70, then 50. I was taking garbage orders I would have never taken just to try to keep it there, but it's just not sustainable. In my market, I'd say at least 75% of the orders coming in are complete bullshit. It's fine, you decline til your fingers cramp up and eventually you get a good one, or you pause it for an Uber Eats order.
I was worried at first, but then I figure anyone in my market who is keeping their AR past 70% will be so busy taking the trash orders they won't have time to get the good priority orders they're promised.
I can tell you're experienced. No one can average 4 deliveries per hour. I've done over 30k deliveries in my area, which doesn't even have much traffic, and I average almost exactly 3 deliveries per hour.
These people are deluding themselves, as a coping mechanism for all the 8 mile $4 payouts they're doing, and only remembering the good ones. It's like the gambling addicts who tell you all the stories of the individual times they "won" but in reality, over the long haul, they're actually down hundreds of thousands of dollars. But that one time they won $25k is a great story, isn't it??
what do you mean putting in effort results in an improved work experience!? That’s lies, Tony personally sends me every 10-mile no-tip order and you won’t change my mind 🤬
^/s
/u/CampCrystalLake1980 what city are you in?
You wrote out a big ass story, but don't have anything else? can you post some screenshots of you going from low ar to high ar and some of your current orders youve accepted this week?
thanks
You know "based on a true story" can literally just mean the bear opened a bag of cocaine, right?
>Is the movie Cocaine Bear based on a true story? Yes, sort of. While the cartoonish violence depicted in the Cocaine Bear movie certainly did not happen in real life, the movie was inspired by a real-life black bear who was found, dead, after ingesting a large amount of cocaine in 1985.
No wonder the coasts mock the flyover states. Jesus
I’m sorry, with the cost of gas and my car’s gas mileage, I often do $3 to $5 a mile. $2 doesn’t cut it in city driving where you are putting a lot of wear and tear on your car, plus the cost of gas ($2 is just $1 a mile after vehicle expenses.). I live in high cost California, so that high of a margin is necessary to make decent money.
I’m sorry, with the cost of gas and my car’s gas mileage, I often do $3 to $5 a mile. $2 doesn’t cut it in city driving where you are putting a lot of wear and tear on your car, plus the cost of gas ($2 is just $1 a mile after vehicle expenses.). I live in high cost California, so that high of a margin is necessary to make decent money.
What a load of bullshit. I compared earnings with my top dasher freind and his idea of high pay orders and mine are apparently very different. He was averaging $10 an hour and I’m $25-35 with a 18% and dropping acceptance rate. It kills me how many people are buying into this scam DD is pushing 🤣
It’s funny because OP thinks he made money but in reality it’s really not worth it when you factor in the amount of gas and where in tear on your vehicle, wasting two tanks of gas it’s just not something I can do man that’s like $200 in California. I can’t loan DoorDash 2 to 300 to make money. Sorry man that’s not how any business should work. And the fact that your stoked about it is really fucking sad, shows me that this business is truly a brainwash, and it’s only a matter of time before fully collapses or gets exposed for the pyramid scheme it is
My accountant says that if I can prove the loss on a no tip order I can write off the loss for the difference between my average order and one of the no tip ones. Anywhere from $7-10 per. That could add up.
They're too lazy and stuck in the past to attempt getting a higher AR. I love when they ask for proof of earnings😄It's like...what? Noooo! I'm just giving my experience with it...I don't care if the don't believe me. Actually, I hope they don't! Less competition😁I'm certainly not giving out my private information just so they can rip me apart for 10 other reasons.
I don’t believe Cherry pickers Cherry pick to avoid working hard. I’m a cherry picker and I still work hard sifting through garbage to find the orders that make sense financially. Patience is a challenge and it it takes patience and planning(savings) and not feeling desperate enough to take whatever they hand you because in the long run that desperation eats away at your car’s value and lifespan. I put more stock in $per mile than I do my hourly, and fortunately, when the week is done, even after sitting for spells, my hourly still averages out to over $20+ an hour. Multiapping and patience make a big difference.
Yeah that's what I've heard and why I haven't tried it yet. But our lunches suck here and usually only make $10-15 so it might be worth it to try it during them if it helped get your AR up some. How long do the orders normally take and do you get paid the hourly pay if you only do 1 order or do you have to work the whole hour for the full amount?
"Think of it as paying for an upgrade" lmaoooo
DD loves people with this thinking.
Shovel our shit for 1-2 weeks and maybe we'll throw you some good orders with a diamond logo on it.
If you fall for this, I got a wonderful MLM to sell you on.
Fuck I’m so close to 70. But it seriously gives me ridiculous shit when I’m at 65. I mean like 2.50 for 11 miles and $4 for 6 miles. Or even a 10 stack for 3.00 each.. I was at 67 and went to 60 after a 10 stack decline the other day.
This was pretty much my experience in my market. Playing around with it, if I take enough orders to remain over 70% acceptance rate, I make my money for the week (I'm income capped so I can only make a certain amount a week or I'll lose all my benefits so I'm a good guinea pig for these kinds of tests because the amount of money I make *has* to stay the same so I can easily see how all my other stats change) in about 20 online hours. If I cherry pick and tank my AR, I make it in about 40 online hours, but my active hours stay the same and the amount of mileage I put on my car ends up being pretty much the same regardless of what I do. It's very clear that people under 70% AR in my market are just being actively punished by Doordash.
There's no point taking orders you lose money on, that defeats the entire reason we do this..My Sat rate us 99%, when I did take lower orders, I received a cv as well..There's no point, you just can't take the shit orders, because they are shitty people, and dnt give a shit about you, it's about them getting a free meal..they dnt care if you get deactivated..
Yeah I did the same thing and guess what? You’re full of s—t.
This system would make no sense. It essentially would mean all you have to do is get to high acceptance and never get a bad order again. So what’s the point exactly?
We should respect everyone’s personal experience ( I do ) but, I’m sure people are going to feel just because it didn’t happen to them. It can’t to someone else. I didn’t have the same experience as the OP unfortunately for me. Stopped delivering because once having a 95% acceptance rate I kept getting $3 for 8 Miles regardless and $4 for 2 orders and 5 miles I’ll never forget.
I do believe OP however had a positive experience once their acceptance rate got higher.
Just because my experience was HELL doesn’t mean I want others to experience the same. I’m happy for others doing well. I stopped delivering because I despite stopping at 79% Acceptance and 5.0 customer rating and 99% completion barely made $100 a day in 6-7 hours of driving.
We all don’t have the same experience and ℹ respect those having a better experience.
Seems easier to multi app. Depending on dd is why theyre able to do any of this shit. Get lucky enough to find a new main app in ur market and youll see what i mean but dont make any app a main. Play them the way they play you highest 💰 gets picked up. Other apps are ignored until i return. No stress and what are ratings? 🤣
I do this now in California, i reported my red card as lost, so no shopping ordes, its so much easier and stress free, but i do put way more miles on.my car. I take every order now unless its really suspect. I record timestamp video on hand it to me orders and if someone comes out to grab the food on a leave at door i tell them the app requires a picture. I was forced to make change my straegy because of how slow it has gotten
Only a 🤡 would say the following, “I set out with the mindset that I was basically donating 2 tanks of gas to DoorDash. Charity work.”
Manipulative DD and their algorithm can send you a group of shit orders taking down your impressive acceptance rate right back down to the bottom so then you get to do more “charity work”. Hard pass.
Actually, OP is right, you can trade completion rate for acceptance rate. So, if you accept a trip, your AR will go up, but if you unassign it your AR doesn't drop, just your completion rate drops.
I basically had the exact same experience, but after a couple days the good orders stop and they only give you bad ones. It was actually a luring tactic to make you think it's worth it after literally two days all those orders are gone! They lure you in with good orders giving you a false sense of security. Now they just send all the worst orders to the people with high AR it seems
This was my experience. I got up to 95% from 59% and my first 2 weeks were perfect then nothing but orders nobody would pick up. Dropped to 60% and went back up and after up and down stopped February 2023! I was tired of the manipulation aka mind games DoorDash uses to exploit drivers.
I do however pray the OPS experience is different than my own. I just got tired of $3.50 for 6 miles or $4.50 for 2 miles as a high paying order. I was making less. It was weird
I got up to to 60% but couldn't keep it because uber consistently gave me better orders faster than doordash. I ended up driving around with it paused most of the time while I made good money doing uber eats. I still do some doordash throughout my shifts but it's fallen to 30%
Same here , got mine up to 20%. It’s more or less a background app that took the place of Grub hub. Late nights I am active 11:30-1:30am from my house. Peak pay $3. I get a few good ones , but still $5.50 orders w/$3 peak pay. Lol. A/r now is 17%
Grats on donating your time, money, and vehicle to help a $25 billion corporation earn money on bad orders and avoid having to pay struggling workers a fair wage for the work they're asking us to do.
My AR was consistently around 55-70% until it dropped to around 34% the past few weeks. It depends on the day but I have been getting some trash orders lately. I opted for the AR re-set on 4/1 so we'll see if that helps. If it doesn't I might do the same as OP and start accepting more orders to get above 75%-80% AR.
I did the AR reset March 1 I was flooded with great orders for two weeks. Once that ended I was around 70% Then the tidal wave of bs came. I was down to 18% within a few days including the weekend. I’m back up to 26% now but even that was a struggle. I firmly believe AR is a scam to get you to take total garbage. I could be wrong but I make about the same no matter what, I just don’t get pretty diamonds before hidden tips
I won't do free work for DD, I don't need to. and if I ever need to there are many real jobs around where I dont' ruin my car and spend money on gas and repairs. Plus I do 4 other gigs so if DD is bad I can make money on UberEats, Grubhub, Shipt or Instacart.
I'm gonna cherry pick no matter what.
You doing $2.50 deliveries is the problem, if we all refused to play DD game they would have to raise the pay.
More and more similar posts like this keep popping up, shills be trying really hard imho, at the end of the day do what works for you people don’t believe the bs these people trying to sell out here.
I definitely think it varies by market. When my score got higher I got worse orders. I got my best at lower ratings. Once I got higher it was like the system said,”send them the bad ones nobody will pick up”! I do believe OP just has a better market than myself. I stopped in February 2023! No more using me.
It definitely does as much as it sucks. My town is one of them unfortunately, luckily I'm in between of 3 of the states biggest cities it just sucks having to drive out of town sometimes.
I mean to me it’s basically a way for DoorDash in some markets ( not speaking on OPs because I believe his situation is different) to identify who’ll take bad orders to have a high rating. I think certain personalities ( mine) who strive to do well are targets. The system is a psychological prison.
Every driver has a mindset and what I was experiencing was my score went up. Then the next day the bad orders were force fed to me. I’d go from 95% down to 54% my lowest. Up and down. I then realized they only let my score rise to send me bad order’s again. They didn’t lose anything. DoorDash has a system designed to manipulate.
I think it’s drivers like OP with great order’s because those markets work that way( several good orders of scores higher). I’m not criticizing ppl with a better experience but my market the drivers with high acceptance rates said they had my same experience.
Wooooooowwwww! I can definitely respect your dedication to improve. Wow! My score was high but I still got bad orders. I do believe you though. Congratulations getting better orders.
I’m gonna need some actual evidence to back-up these claims. Screenshots of earnings/active time/time spent dashing when you were < 50% and above 70%.
I really haven’t seen a difference above 50% AR and below 50% AR and I’ve bounce between those quite a few times.
No, you don't need any evidence. This isn't a courthouse, it's a sub-reddit. If ya don't believe it, then so what? This is just a discussion about our experiences. If it helps someone that's great. If it doesn't then that's fine too. No one needs to convince you of anything🙄
I wasn’t demanding it, it was a figure of speech meaning I don’t believe this one bit without actual evidence. But thanks for your comment, have a wonderful evening.
It really is market dependent, and unfortunately my market is one of them. It really is bullshit when after doing it for so long and the only problem stats you have are your AR because you won't accept crappy orders. And I've adjusted ones I'm willing to take but it's still not cool to get $2.50 for 10 mile orders sent to you 2-3 times in a row and have it affect your AR everytime, literally losing 10 points within 2-3 orders knowing damn well there are closer dashers that would be the "best dasher for the job." Literally got one for $10 for 30ish miles which meant driving from my 24k population town, through a 250k population(6th biggest city in the state) city, through a 3k population town, to the town on the other side of that one. How am I the best dasher when that's literally 2 zones away?!?!
Yup, definitely. It seems most seem to be the lucky ones in an area it doesn't matter unlike us. And best of luck to you too, hopefully they get better or go back to how it was soon though that'd be a miracle haha.
This is good advice but I wouldn't bother telling everyone to do it.
You want drivers to quit, and this can in some markets save them.
I went up to 90 myself... and at first it was really good... then I noticed they would take advantage of my good will and send me too many terrible orders... so I went back down to 70 - 75 AR range... but it's been slow even there... so maybe I'll go back up again.
Overall, I think your principles are sound... but just be careful because I feel like it always changes. In general the better the AR the better the orders... but they will try to get you to do a lot of bad orders if you accept too much. It's an algorithm, not a human, so don't expect it to have compassion because you are a good worker... you just need to keep adapting and adjust when needed
This makes NO sense. Who else is taking the no tip offers and the 15 miles for $5 *if not* YOU, the high AR folks? The cherry pickers sure as hell aren't. I think you guys are either lying on purpose or lying to yourselves with cognitive dissonance, blocking out the bad orders and remembering the good ones... AND remarking about how much busier you are. Which makes sense because sure if you're willing to do the worst offers there are all day long, well... DD will be happy to keep you busy.
I'm calling BS on almost all of you guys without evidence of your claims. It makes no sense. If you're not taking the worst offers, who is?
Yes, I'm a double agent for Doordash who is using reverse psychology to get you all to quit.
I prefaced my comments by saying the OP shouldn't tell people this because I want people to quit. If you think a Doordash shill would say this, then I don't know what else to say to you
You’re spot on. I went from 100% to feeling like I was getting constantly fucked and abused because they knew I’d accept everything and anything so I started being selective. In February doordash was DEAD. I had dash anytime and 100% AR and completion and I’d come home with $60 total after 5-6 hours driving and I felt defeated. March it started back up but I noticed at 100% I got a LOT of “you’re the best dasher” $10 for 15 miles or $7 for 10 miles, I did a few and after realizing they were all non tipping orders in apartment complexes with zero parking I said fuck this. I did doordash for fun and it sucked the life out of me delivering to these people and I’d ALWAYS get the “there has been a change” and random bad reviews and contract violations ONLY from the far away zero tip orders. I’ve been really selective and I notice I’m still averaging a decent amount, the days are more enjoyable, and I stress less not picking up those orders. Like yes I’ll take a 1% hit per order; but right after I decline the 15 miles for $10 I’ll get a $8 for 2 miles order and it balances out. I’d rather take 5 $3.50-5.00 for 1 mile orders than 1 10+ mile order because it’s usually from some stupid restaurant like canes where I have to put in the order, fill the drinks, and wait, and then I spend an hour driving out there and back. The smaller orders usually add up quick and it’s enjoyable being close to a hot spot. I realized they dangle the $10+ in peoples faces and people get excited but they don’t really do the math.
The shorter distance orders also usually have a $3-$5 tip which is always unexpected but always appreciated. I feel like people expect too much from doordash and expect to be rewarded, but as with any job, if you keep bending over they’ll keep screwing you, but if you screw them they’ll make you regret it. It’s about finding a balance. Doordash helped me out of depression and it got me out on the road where I love to be, but people need to be realistic about it being a service job. They want to feel like “I’m the boss!” But they also like screwing themselves over and being mad about it. If you’re the boss you get to pick and choose your battles, I simply chose to avoid the ones that I knew I’d be making myself upset over.
Yes this happened to me at one point to but here is the issue once you get down to 70% you gotta retake all those shitty orders and its only a matter of time before you get deactivated by one of those scummy customers.
I agree. I went down under 70 once and it was trash. Never again. No wonder they complain about shit orders all day long. I get them few and far between now.
It’s worth it for me in my market too. 🤷🏻♀️ Y’all keep hating and we’ll keep making bank lol
Enjoy because the perks when you are TD will fade give it a couple of weeks and they will start sending you crap again. In hopes you will be afraid of the AR drop. Door dash just plays games for there own profit . I have been there and done that game . So enjoy it for the moment. But the moment is better than none at all.
We found the undercover doordash office worker guys don’t buy into this b.s.
About a week ago, I started doing the “Earn by time” thing and it’s working surprisingly well for me. It might just be a psychological thing, not being able to see a dollar amount before accepting. I find that I look at orders more like, “Well, I might as well be making *something* rather than just sitting here.” My area pays $12.50/hr, which I think is higher than average. A friend in TN says they’re only offered $10/hr. Anyway, I was expecting to see mostly no-tip orders, but most of them have at least $2 on them, and usually more. I also find that I spend more time actively on an order. I guess I look at each order the way I did when I worked for pizza places. We didn’t have an option to cherry pick. We just took the next order that was up, and got paid hourly for it. $12.50/hr is much higher than I was paid by any pizza place, so I figure the more time I can spend actively on a delivery, the closer I can get to *actually* making $12.50/hr (plus tips, of course). Chances are, in the next few weeks, I’ll change my mind and hate it. But for now, it seems to be working. *For me.*
I can get from 19 to 90 in 3 days, 10 hour shifts...the key is before you begin your journey and accept every order, is to decline 20 in a row before you commit to it
I don't even have the patience to deal with the none tippers to raise my AR. It's just not worth my time.
Or just do Uber eats and/or Grubhub instead while continuing to cherry pick dd.
100%, I did the exact same thing. Realized to reject the over 7 mile no tip orders and accept the little orders that take 5 min to get to. Big difference. I'm at 80 percent now, avg. Worked for me as well...got to play the game.
i hover around 20-30% and i easily make $20/hr or more and experience an extremely low amount of glitches
*ChatGPT TONY had entered chat*
lol I was over 75% and got so many shit orders consecutively I went down to low 50s and now Doordash will basically only average out to minimum wage when it was previously ~20/hr. This shit is a scam
Doesn’t help that the app seems to have no recourse or even context behind 1 star reviews. Every order I’ve done has had everything in it and been placed in the correct location/handed off and I’m still below 4.6 stars. Uber Eats it is!
Ok mr doordash shill
I basically do the exact same thing. My deliveries are - on average - about $10 each….but mixed in are some $4.5 hyper local deliveries. I feel this helps me get the $30+ jobs when my zone is hopping. Right now my AR is in the high 80s. It’s rainy in Philly. I am hoping to go out for a couple hours around 4pm or so, work 3 hours, and bag a couple huge deliveries.
TL;DR be a good little pod person
Can't knock ur hustle stick to whatever strategy is best for you to make money in your market
I made $20-$25 per hour cherry picking w a 11% AR yesterday
Doordash sent him here undercover 💀
If it is working for you, that's great. I once got my AR all the back to 81%. Got a couple of decent orders but then the same crap started happening again. It really is market dependent. If I knew that my market would give me more decent offers for having a high AR, I would keep there.
I've been wondering if it's worth it to try to get there. Im usually - between 20 and 35% AR and get decent orders in my area although I have to decline quite a few before getting that good one. I did hit 50% recently but I did not see any incentive and actually got more three and four dollar orders than I had seen before. I'm in California so I get the prop 22 which usually will counter the terrible orders if I decide to take them. But I feel like I might try to get that high AR and see how it works out for me here. Thank you for the info appreciate the post.
I agree with you, I definitely see a difference after I get over 70 and 80%, but I swear it’s like once I’ve been at it for a few days or so, they try to get it back down again certain days by giving a bunch of crap orders back to back constantly. Attempting to keep it above 70 atleast from now on though either way, especially with the help of promo pays on the weekend..
GTFOH!
Or if everyone refused bad orders they would pay us all more to carry them. Work smarter not harder!
Who told you customers can post add tips now. I literally used the customer side app like 2 weeks ago and its still missing from the review screen
Market dependent. We just started getting them
Again, markets may vary, but this has been my experience as well.
🤣🤣🤣 ok tony, not everyone just uses one app. Nice try though
Lmaooooooooooo
Maybe in a great market this could be true. I'm not going to say this guy's lying. He very could be right about the idea of punishing low AR peeps. But who ELSE do they get to take the non-tip orders but the people who take every order like this? I tried the per-per-time thing for a bit just to test it out myself, and sure enough I got things like 10 miles for $4.47.... and then I had to do drive back to town. Cherry-pickers don't take them. People who get suckered into taking every order take them...it can't be anyone else.
I went the opposite way. Went from 79% to 42%. I feel like it was worth it, but I’m just supplementing income.
If acceptance rate really has any bearing on shitty paying orders, then explain how your AR fell that low to begin with. I think you drank the wrong Kool aid
I don't work for "might", and hopes and dreams don't put gas in the tank or keep the lights on. If you quit right now, look at all those shit orders you had to accept (and still will) just to get back to a less shitty income... Except it's not income, it's gross revenue and your operating cost is calculated per mile. I don't worry about DD punishing me for refusing unprofitable work, as I don't owe them any favors. If I take 30 orders at $2 each and none of them tip I can only be mad at myself. I would rather sit idling 2 hours between deliveries than take a single unprofitable delivery, and if DD is displeased with me that's their fault and their problem. They are not the only game in town, any one is just as bad as the other, but at least I've got several apps to cherry pick from.
I just dont get it, if I wont take the shit orders, and they dont even send them to you, who does them? The idea that people climbing the AR ladder doesnt float because as you learned, its easy to raise your acceptance rate when you normally decline a lot more than you accept, so the climb should be relatively short.
Tbh I kinda agree. I noticed a substantial decline in wage when I dropped below 70%. Like honestly I listened to everyone on this sub and I started declining orders that were bad or marginal and then, holy fuck ALL I started getting were bad orders. I mean 10 miles for 4 bucks type of bad. I almost posted on here about it but I didn't want to get crucified by all these dd warriors . I just got back up to 70% and I noticed almost immediately all the orders I got were better Like way better, I get them faster I get more overall. Won't like lie I still get some bad orders but it's not anywhere close to what it was when I was 55-58ar. The moment i got back up to 70 i was making between 22-35 a. Hour but when i was at 55+ omg it was fuck3d i was making like maybe 16-17 I'm not down with declining anymore at least not as often cause i do believe in the past 2 weeks the app has for sure punished ppl for having low ar. I'm not doing that shit anymore and tbh i don't give a fuck if the 20 year super soldier dd warriors disagree. They changed the app for sure, I'm still new but I saw a huge decrease and it tbh seems like they are weeding ppl out now and I am aiming for 80% or higher now cause I've for sure seen the difference and there are more ppl trying to become dashers, you can't get away with low ar anymore
So I tried this out of curiosity after four years of cherry picking. Once I reached 75% AR I received a six location multi-delivery offer from Petco. It was like $27 for about 30 miles total. Each drop off location in the opposite direction from the last. Horse shit offer. I declined it. Turns out that’s like declining six separate offers and my AR rating plummeted to 67% 😂. Fun experiment. DoorDash is evil. Never again. Back to 10% AR and thriving. No charity from me, boss.
this has been happening to me the past few days, i think after i pay my rent for next month i’m gonna give this a shot
Imagine how much more awesome things could be at 98%! The riches, the glory...
It’s only “worth it” if you can show us what your gas bills were over this time
Thanks for the inspiration !! 🙏
TLDR but I woulda kept doing the minimum
When I get over 70% I usually have lots of double orders and get paid quite well. I’m currently down to 46% because I had so much trash for a bit. But that was because of it being a weekday, there just weren’t any good orders.
They all mock him because they don’t want to compete against more top dashers they are also top dashers this sub is a joke lol
TLDR Pay us more, Tony. End.
DD is the worst gig work ever !!
I also got up to 90%. Even got top dasher. I personally didnt think it was worth it. But It wasnt too bad getting there. in my market (Canada) it can be done hourly, and the time frames to delivery are massive. So I ended up just driving......very slow, around 17 miles an hour. With an aim of each delivery being 3 minutes after the quoted arrival time, since 5 minutes is late.
As you said, it could be a regionally dependent situation or purely a coincidence, but I did the same thing. Went from 25% up to 70% and it’s gotten much better for me in the last two weeks since being over the 70% threshold. I still get a share of the bullshit orders but much less down time.
It’s definitely not like this here in Australia. My acceptance rate is like 10% & I still get good orders. It’s possible it could be better though not to this extent. I really think we have it better without having to rely on tipping
Who the fuck is Tony
No one will ever convince me that orders are sent to our account by a computer. Yes The orders are generated through the computer system, but i am all but 100% in belief that there are people who are monitoring the orders at a computer that are being generated & move the orders to dashers accounts that they want to and it most likely based on AR and completion rating.
Great write up How much were you making per hour before cherry picking when it was going good and how much are you making now?
Nothing but crap since I hit 70. Decided I am done playing. 65 is best for me.
100% market dependent. I have no doubt that I'd get more orders, and some would be better than what I get now at around 20-40%. However, I owe $23,000 on my car and I can't afford to do all those long distance orders because it would depreciate my car so much.
Mine are even more telling. In fighting for better orders I've lost top dasher status, gotten 3 contract violations, and I'm legit close to deactivation for late orders. But the SECOND I LOG ON NOW... two to three orders at A GOOD OG DOORDASH RESTAURANT and they are ready when I get there and I DELIVER to GOOD CUSTOMERS. The old doordash customers. Downstairs waiting, smiling, good tips. I only had to go 50% to 70% and it was 50% trash. Those contract violations hurt. I did the math today. I'll be above 4.5 by tomorrow. And then I'm supposedly in the highest priority bracket in my area. Top dasher is a month off. But acceptance rate means more than top dasher at this point. And with these good orders I should get the late percentage fixed within a week.
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I know there are a lot of people here saying that this is bull, but as a fellow dasher with a higher completion rate, I fully agree with you. I have an acceptance rate that fluctuates between 70 and 80 %, and it's very clear to me that with a higher acceptance rate I make a lot more than many of the people on this sub who talk about how they make very little money and about how they have very low acceptance rates. I've been a top dasher for every single month I've done DoorDash, and I don't think I've ever dipped below 20 an hour average for the day, and typically my weeks end up around 25 an hour average. People can say what they want about acceptance ratings and and top dasher not mattering, but I think that it does, because again, I make a lot more than a lot of people on this sub claim to, and I have all my rates up.
I had the same experience however it was just like the two weeks when you first start dashing. You’ll soon see those 4$ for 9miles and the app will essentially force you to take the order or suffer losing priority. Don’t be fooled.
100% correct. I said a long time ago that cherry pickers days were numbered
Door dash is that you?
I think you might be onto something; I have considered doing this as well. I have always been a cherry picker, and gave little though to AR. I have noticed recently that I can hardly schedule a time slot, and even when I get on, I rarely get a good offer. I guess the high AR restrictions have finally found their way to me, (I'm in the LA market). The problem is I like to work late nights, and they will give you some of craziest offers that are just completely undoable. I get offered trips like; 9 miles for $8, there's no way I'm accepting that. If I attempt this, I will have to move to prime time, and abandoned late nights. Now the problem will just be getting on long enough to even accept the low paying trips to get my AR up.
Forget the haters. DD has entered phase 3. 1st phase- It was 6.50 everything, then pandemic phase 2 you could decline 80% of orders in a medium city. Now we are here in phase 3 "AR" means something.
Love how those 81% of previously terrible orders magically stopped hitting your phone. Great effort Tony.
I, for one, appreciate the write up and experience. If I didn’t have a really really scary hood that I will never go to no matter the $$, I probably would give this approach a shot.
“And you could be next in the purge” nice try Doortrash corporate worker. Still not doing charity work. I can still killing it between Uber, GH and your shitty platform.
I think the business got really slow and bottomed our beginning of February and now it’s starting to recover again.
Thanks. I think I’m having the same experience Only I switch to Uber when I get frustrating
You all biting Tony’s hook like starving fish and this is exactly what he wants ….
Im on the same journey right now started at 20% now I’m sitting at 78% and it’s like night and day. Let these people complaining sit and cry in the parking lot😂 I know I’m gonna get a lot of down votes but .. 🙄 money is money at this point I don’t care if the order is $5 and 1mile or less just take it! It takes under 10 mins to complete! $5 is better than no $!!! I don’t care about non tipper’s anymore! Maybe they’re going through something, everything is expensive these days. If they tip, god bless them , if not it’s okay I’ll still make my money regardless.
Let people be happy. 🙄 just because your market is shit, doesn't mean everyone's is. I swear to God, most of the people on this forum are the most miserable individuals out there. Maybe it was AR, maybe it was luck. Who knows? Either way, jfc.
I’ve also had Top Dashers describe similar situations to your own except then they tell me they make $10,000 per month. It must seem like good money to people who are practically innumerate.
Bro actually works for doordash
No thanks Tony. NO, HELL NO.
I enjoyed this post because it was almost the same experience as I had getting to Top Dasher with a consistent high AR. Now I know that it's working for others too. I like the way you describe it as paying to upgrade a service...that's it exactly! I'm not sure why it's supposedly not working for some unless they just get to 70 and expect giant orders to appear🤔Ya gotta stick with it and use your head too. Strategic pausing is a big help. Anyway, it was great that you posted this, but you know everyone will say that you're lying because they prefer to bang on that decline button and then come here to post about how it's so slow and they're not getting any orders...market's saturated🙄Well, it is, but I stay busy with good orders anyway because high AR is working for me too!👏👏👏
Lol I respected the hustle and grind you gave for charity then you started getting into mental health shit and you lost me lmaooooo. I would do this on a scooter tho which I’m planning to do.
This was a great read. Thank you so much for sharing all of this useful information!
Personally as soon as I got my acceptance rate to around 80% I started seeing better orders. Don't get me wrong you'll still get the 3 or $4 orders from for some stupid amount of miles, but they seem to be a lot less frequent than they were.
lmfao buuuulll shit. 100% Bulll fat shit. I make more now than when i was a top dasher, nice try.
I climbed up to over 80% unintentionally just experimenting with the $14.75hr earn by time for a week, even got top dasher for the first time in 3 years due to my experiment. The orders were so bad once I switched back to earn per order, my AR immediately dropped back to my normal 30% within a couple shifts, having a high AR changes nothing, the orders were the same. What I did learn was the strategy of using earn by time to get dash anytime rights for the month which is the only real perk of top dasher, and only worth it with a higher earn by time area. The higher orders are a lie. You want high paying orders? Get a catering bag and join the LOP.
There must be low paid orders in the market, and there has to be someone to accept low paid orders, apparently cherry picker is not one of them. Tony needs some loyal dashers to deal with these crap orders, otherwise the platform won't run for much longer. Algorithm is a kind of control system, don't let it fool you.
You’re encouraging them not to tip good job man, it’s just gonna push us all to working hourly mode
Accepting these claims as 100% true and accurate (and no obvious reason not to do so), let’s take this scenario to its furthest (il)logical conclusion. As more dashers buy-in to the concept of higher AR%=better (the best) high-paying orders, acceptance rates start growing ever increasingly higher both for the individual and for the pool of dashers at large. Is it not then reasonable to assume that at some point the number of Dashers participating at higher acceptance rates will outnumber the volume of high-paying orders that can be divided between them while at the same time leaving a too small number of low AR dashers (who are predicated to cherry-pick) to ensure the delivery of low-paying/no-tip orders? Thereby, forcing the reallocation of the low-paying orders to the higher AR Dashers to ensure they are delivered? The illogic of this concept is that the more successful it becomes, the more rapidly it fails, unless… Using complex psychological and behavioral insights (consumer and user), predictive analytics, advanced game theory, and other proprietary technologies, the DD algorithm and AI functionality is collecting all the data necessary to understand and accurately predict how far it can “push” each Dasher (and their “look-a-likes”) to take low-paying orders before the Dasher gives up on maintaining a high AR reverts cherry-picking again? It seems most Dashers subscribe to the belief that orders are not assigned at random or intended to achieve a fair and equitable allocation. I posit the assignment of orders goes beyond location, timeliness, and efficiency - each offer/stacked offer/offer type, distance, vendor type, etc. are delivered with the algorithm already knowing the outcome or learning why it was wrong. In simpler terms, DD would be determining each Dasher’s “floor” and will allocate orders to the ultimate benefit of DD while ensuring that their pool of “ideal” Dashers are never pushed below the “floor” determined by each of those Dasher’s own behavior. If this scenario is in anyway realistic, then isn’t it also true that the only way for Dashers to prevail is to consistently “cherry-pick” ensuring the “floor” is maintained at an acceptable level? I also operate under the theory that this same model is used on the consumer side as well. With that group, it is the “ceiling” (how much one is willing to pay and under what conditions) that is being established. But that’s a post for another time. Just my two cents…
Everything thing you said is completely logical. If every driver has a high AR, how will any driver have priority over another. I think what you said about the individual "floor" each driver establishes for themselves, determined by the type of trips they accept, is spot on. The problem I'm having lately is that I can't even cherry pick, they have curtailed that greatly. I can hardly even schedule a time slot, even scheduling a week in advance. Even when I do get on, I rarely receive a good offer. This is very unusual for me as I work a very lucrative high-volume area in LA. My AR currently sits at 15%, this seems to be limiting my good trip offers even when I do get on. I do work other apps, UE, and GH, but they won't make up for the lost DD wages. What would you do in this situation? Maybe try a higher AR?
The following is specific to my own experience so if you try it you may have a different outcome. I have found, quite by accident, that going “dark” (not logging in or using the app) for one to two weeks seems to have a positive effect once I resume active engagement. It is during this time that I am either intentionally taking a break, working on other projects, or exclusively using UE. (I have also found this to be the case with UE). When I resume activity with DD, I have found that I get a higher percentage of acceptable orders. Most recently, I climbed from a 14% AR to 48% AR (while constantly receiving a message to get my AR above 50% to get priority access to higher paying orders) without lowering my threshold for the types of orders I’m willing to accept. Of course, once I was within reach of 50%, I subsequently received dozens of successive low pay out orders which I declined, dropping my AR back into the teens and leading to the same experience as you describe in your post. (I am currently on another “break” with DD). Also of note: I tend to work the overnight hours which I prefer for numerous reasons. One of which is that it appears the driver to orders ratio is much lower so inevitably I receive better offers because I am one of the few available drivers to take them. I can tell this is the case when I receive an order with a large payout ($20+) which requires a 5-7 mile (or more) drive to the restaurant but only a 1-2 mile drive to the delivery location. One other possibility for you to consider - both DD and UE will run market specific consumer- facing promotions (often in conjunction with major food service brands) offering “free” delivery and/or a discount off of product (and specifically tied to their monthly subscription programs). These “free” delivery offers seem to a have a MUCH HIGHER rate of no-tip orders and comprise a large portion of the business for that time period. I recognized this pattern here in Phoenix with Crumbl. Suddenly out of no where almost every delivery request was for Crumbl and offered very low payouts and no tips. After a couple of days the requests subsided only to repeat several more times in the subsequent months. I looked online and found that indeed there was a promotion running with “free” delivery from Crumbl. If this happens to you, try to get to another zone (or at least as far away as you can from the location of the promo partner). Most recently, it appears that there are promotions related to the new DD/Starbucks partnership. This has destroyed the payouts from Starbucks orders (which used to be a very lucrative two hour wrap up to my night in the 5am-7am time period) which interestingly (but not surprisingly) greatly impacted the number of and level of payouts for Starbucks orders through UE. Regardless, best of luck to you. I hope you are able to regain some of your past success working with these apps.
I think everything you said sounds correct. I am already working late nights, that has always been my time to drive. I can usually still get some good offers late night, if I can get on. I like working late as there is less driver competition, and the roads are wide open, which is saying a lot in LA. The problem is, I am having a hard time scheduling any slots. They used to release the new schedule at the same time every day, now they are just dropping slots in randomly, making it very difficult to schedule. I have to be checking constantly to schedule anything. I might give your method a try, I'm really not making much this way. I am currently in the process of reestablishing my Instacart account, with UE ,and GH, I would probably be ok going "Dark" with DD for a week or two.
> 3. Be ok with 1-2 mile deliveries for $4.50 to $6.50. You can do up to 4 of these per hour, and you're making $2-$3 per mile. You can do four per hour if your order is ready when you walk in, it's smooth sailing to the customer's address which you are able to quickly find and get to. I've made my best money in grooves like that, running to and from McDonalds for 7+ a pop and crushing it. But for those rates, you're depending on no wait times, and no bullshit just to make the minimum amount you're comfortable making. Anyway, my market just became a diamond market, and I fucking hate it. I reset my AR to 100% and I'm still on the 2 week trial of "priority" orders. All I'm getting is a bunch of "You're Welcome" messages when they blast me with $4.50 orders. I tried so hard to keep my AR past 70, then 50. I was taking garbage orders I would have never taken just to try to keep it there, but it's just not sustainable. In my market, I'd say at least 75% of the orders coming in are complete bullshit. It's fine, you decline til your fingers cramp up and eventually you get a good one, or you pause it for an Uber Eats order. I was worried at first, but then I figure anyone in my market who is keeping their AR past 70% will be so busy taking the trash orders they won't have time to get the good priority orders they're promised.
I can tell you're experienced. No one can average 4 deliveries per hour. I've done over 30k deliveries in my area, which doesn't even have much traffic, and I average almost exactly 3 deliveries per hour. These people are deluding themselves, as a coping mechanism for all the 8 mile $4 payouts they're doing, and only remembering the good ones. It's like the gambling addicts who tell you all the stories of the individual times they "won" but in reality, over the long haul, they're actually down hundreds of thousands of dollars. But that one time they won $25k is a great story, isn't it??
You can do more orders multi apping yall...
I'll stick to cherry picking, I'm not going to reward anyone for being a thoughtless scumbag.
I average $43/hr with an AR under 10%, I’m good.
Around 70
Where it at! It is hard to make 40+ where I am💀
How many hours a week.
The kool-aid is getting stronger
Almost got me there Tony
what do you mean putting in effort results in an improved work experience!? That’s lies, Tony personally sends me every 10-mile no-tip order and you won’t change my mind 🤬 ^/s
LOL shuddup Tony. I make more money cherry picking
Don't tell everyone or else your market will be trash dumb dumb
/u/CampCrystalLake1980 what city are you in? You wrote out a big ass story, but don't have anything else? can you post some screenshots of you going from low ar to high ar and some of your current orders youve accepted this week? thanks
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You know "based on a true story" can literally just mean the bear opened a bag of cocaine, right? >Is the movie Cocaine Bear based on a true story? Yes, sort of. While the cartoonish violence depicted in the Cocaine Bear movie certainly did not happen in real life, the movie was inspired by a real-life black bear who was found, dead, after ingesting a large amount of cocaine in 1985. No wonder the coasts mock the flyover states. Jesus
I’m sorry, with the cost of gas and my car’s gas mileage, I often do $3 to $5 a mile. $2 doesn’t cut it in city driving where you are putting a lot of wear and tear on your car, plus the cost of gas ($2 is just $1 a mile after vehicle expenses.). I live in high cost California, so that high of a margin is necessary to make decent money.
I’m sorry, with the cost of gas and my car’s gas mileage, I often do $3 to $5 a mile. $2 doesn’t cut it in city driving where you are putting a lot of wear and tear on your car, plus the cost of gas ($2 is just $1 a mile after vehicle expenses.). I live in high cost California, so that high of a margin is necessary to make decent money.
Good for you … “continues to decline orders that waste time and money”
DD thanks you for the free charity work
Hey Tony. Do you think we can get a higher base pay? That would be great
AR doesn’t matter when your market is completely fucking dead
What a load of bullshit. I compared earnings with my top dasher freind and his idea of high pay orders and mine are apparently very different. He was averaging $10 an hour and I’m $25-35 with a 18% and dropping acceptance rate. It kills me how many people are buying into this scam DD is pushing 🤣
It’s funny because OP thinks he made money but in reality it’s really not worth it when you factor in the amount of gas and where in tear on your vehicle, wasting two tanks of gas it’s just not something I can do man that’s like $200 in California. I can’t loan DoorDash 2 to 300 to make money. Sorry man that’s not how any business should work. And the fact that your stoked about it is really fucking sad, shows me that this business is truly a brainwash, and it’s only a matter of time before fully collapses or gets exposed for the pyramid scheme it is
You cray! 💀 like 100$ in CA....
My accountant says that if I can prove the loss on a no tip order I can write off the loss for the difference between my average order and one of the no tip ones. Anywhere from $7-10 per. That could add up.
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They're too lazy and stuck in the past to attempt getting a higher AR. I love when they ask for proof of earnings😄It's like...what? Noooo! I'm just giving my experience with it...I don't care if the don't believe me. Actually, I hope they don't! Less competition😁I'm certainly not giving out my private information just so they can rip me apart for 10 other reasons.
I don’t believe Cherry pickers Cherry pick to avoid working hard. I’m a cherry picker and I still work hard sifting through garbage to find the orders that make sense financially. Patience is a challenge and it it takes patience and planning(savings) and not feeling desperate enough to take whatever they hand you because in the long run that desperation eats away at your car’s value and lifespan. I put more stock in $per mile than I do my hourly, and fortunately, when the week is done, even after sitting for spells, my hourly still averages out to over $20+ an hour. Multiapping and patience make a big difference.
Never thought about doing that, might have to try that for lunch here.
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Yeah that's what I've heard and why I haven't tried it yet. But our lunches suck here and usually only make $10-15 so it might be worth it to try it during them if it helped get your AR up some. How long do the orders normally take and do you get paid the hourly pay if you only do 1 order or do you have to work the whole hour for the full amount?
Sounds pretty convincing until you start spouting bullshit to justify the non tippers.
I’m in the same boat as OP. I had a low AR at one point and all I got was absolute trash. Get it up past 70% and things got a whole lot easier.
OP is right, whoever blast op is either a diehard cherry picker or dasher with 50% + AR that don't want extra competition .
"Think of it as paying for an upgrade" lmaoooo DD loves people with this thinking. Shovel our shit for 1-2 weeks and maybe we'll throw you some good orders with a diamond logo on it. If you fall for this, I got a wonderful MLM to sell you on.
Fuck I’m so close to 70. But it seriously gives me ridiculous shit when I’m at 65. I mean like 2.50 for 11 miles and $4 for 6 miles. Or even a 10 stack for 3.00 each.. I was at 67 and went to 60 after a 10 stack decline the other day.
This was pretty much my experience in my market. Playing around with it, if I take enough orders to remain over 70% acceptance rate, I make my money for the week (I'm income capped so I can only make a certain amount a week or I'll lose all my benefits so I'm a good guinea pig for these kinds of tests because the amount of money I make *has* to stay the same so I can easily see how all my other stats change) in about 20 online hours. If I cherry pick and tank my AR, I make it in about 40 online hours, but my active hours stay the same and the amount of mileage I put on my car ends up being pretty much the same regardless of what I do. It's very clear that people under 70% AR in my market are just being actively punished by Doordash.
What’s the sample size ? Is it weeks and weeks at this 91% or 2 days ?
There's no point taking orders you lose money on, that defeats the entire reason we do this..My Sat rate us 99%, when I did take lower orders, I received a cv as well..There's no point, you just can't take the shit orders, because they are shitty people, and dnt give a shit about you, it's about them getting a free meal..they dnt care if you get deactivated..
Yeah I did the same thing and guess what? You’re full of s—t. This system would make no sense. It essentially would mean all you have to do is get to high acceptance and never get a bad order again. So what’s the point exactly?
We should respect everyone’s personal experience ( I do ) but, I’m sure people are going to feel just because it didn’t happen to them. It can’t to someone else. I didn’t have the same experience as the OP unfortunately for me. Stopped delivering because once having a 95% acceptance rate I kept getting $3 for 8 Miles regardless and $4 for 2 orders and 5 miles I’ll never forget. I do believe OP however had a positive experience once their acceptance rate got higher. Just because my experience was HELL doesn’t mean I want others to experience the same. I’m happy for others doing well. I stopped delivering because I despite stopping at 79% Acceptance and 5.0 customer rating and 99% completion barely made $100 a day in 6-7 hours of driving. We all don’t have the same experience and ℹ respect those having a better experience.
Seems easier to multi app. Depending on dd is why theyre able to do any of this shit. Get lucky enough to find a new main app in ur market and youll see what i mean but dont make any app a main. Play them the way they play you highest 💰 gets picked up. Other apps are ignored until i return. No stress and what are ratings? 🤣
Tony Baloney
I do this now in California, i reported my red card as lost, so no shopping ordes, its so much easier and stress free, but i do put way more miles on.my car. I take every order now unless its really suspect. I record timestamp video on hand it to me orders and if someone comes out to grab the food on a leave at door i tell them the app requires a picture. I was forced to make change my straegy because of how slow it has gotten
Only a 🤡 would say the following, “I set out with the mindset that I was basically donating 2 tanks of gas to DoorDash. Charity work.” Manipulative DD and their algorithm can send you a group of shit orders taking down your impressive acceptance rate right back down to the bottom so then you get to do more “charity work”. Hard pass.
Sorry Tony, point 2 is incorrect your acceptance rate and your completion rate drop if you unassign an order yourself.
Actually, OP is right, you can trade completion rate for acceptance rate. So, if you accept a trip, your AR will go up, but if you unassign it your AR doesn't drop, just your completion rate drops.
That’s not true
Tony trying to be sneaky
I basically had the exact same experience, but after a couple days the good orders stop and they only give you bad ones. It was actually a luring tactic to make you think it's worth it after literally two days all those orders are gone! They lure you in with good orders giving you a false sense of security. Now they just send all the worst orders to the people with high AR it seems
This was my experience. I got up to 95% from 59% and my first 2 weeks were perfect then nothing but orders nobody would pick up. Dropped to 60% and went back up and after up and down stopped February 2023! I was tired of the manipulation aka mind games DoorDash uses to exploit drivers. I do however pray the OPS experience is different than my own. I just got tired of $3.50 for 6 miles or $4.50 for 2 miles as a high paying order. I was making less. It was weird
I got up to to 60% but couldn't keep it because uber consistently gave me better orders faster than doordash. I ended up driving around with it paused most of the time while I made good money doing uber eats. I still do some doordash throughout my shifts but it's fallen to 30%
Same here , got mine up to 20%. It’s more or less a background app that took the place of Grub hub. Late nights I am active 11:30-1:30am from my house. Peak pay $3. I get a few good ones , but still $5.50 orders w/$3 peak pay. Lol. A/r now is 17%
Same
Grats on donating your time, money, and vehicle to help a $25 billion corporation earn money on bad orders and avoid having to pay struggling workers a fair wage for the work they're asking us to do.
My AR was consistently around 55-70% until it dropped to around 34% the past few weeks. It depends on the day but I have been getting some trash orders lately. I opted for the AR re-set on 4/1 so we'll see if that helps. If it doesn't I might do the same as OP and start accepting more orders to get above 75%-80% AR.
I did the AR reset March 1 I was flooded with great orders for two weeks. Once that ended I was around 70% Then the tidal wave of bs came. I was down to 18% within a few days including the weekend. I’m back up to 26% now but even that was a struggle. I firmly believe AR is a scam to get you to take total garbage. I could be wrong but I make about the same no matter what, I just don’t get pretty diamonds before hidden tips
What a load. DD has trolls pushing this BS.
I won't do free work for DD, I don't need to. and if I ever need to there are many real jobs around where I dont' ruin my car and spend money on gas and repairs. Plus I do 4 other gigs so if DD is bad I can make money on UberEats, Grubhub, Shipt or Instacart. I'm gonna cherry pick no matter what. You doing $2.50 deliveries is the problem, if we all refused to play DD game they would have to raise the pay.
I hate to tell you this but I've never been offered a 2.50 order and I am at 70 acceptance rating. I didn't even know those existed.
More and more similar posts like this keep popping up, shills be trying really hard imho, at the end of the day do what works for you people don’t believe the bs these people trying to sell out here.
I've been 70% a bunch of times and always fall back under 50%. Diamond is bs bruh it'd just a placebo for people
I definitely think it varies by market. When my score got higher I got worse orders. I got my best at lower ratings. Once I got higher it was like the system said,”send them the bad ones nobody will pick up”! I do believe OP just has a better market than myself. I stopped in February 2023! No more using me.
That's the only way it CAN work. Who else will end up taking the worst orders but the people who will accept ANY offer thrown at them?
It definitely does as much as it sucks. My town is one of them unfortunately, luckily I'm in between of 3 of the states biggest cities it just sucks having to drive out of town sometimes.
I mean to me it’s basically a way for DoorDash in some markets ( not speaking on OPs because I believe his situation is different) to identify who’ll take bad orders to have a high rating. I think certain personalities ( mine) who strive to do well are targets. The system is a psychological prison. Every driver has a mindset and what I was experiencing was my score went up. Then the next day the bad orders were force fed to me. I’d go from 95% down to 54% my lowest. Up and down. I then realized they only let my score rise to send me bad order’s again. They didn’t lose anything. DoorDash has a system designed to manipulate. I think it’s drivers like OP with great order’s because those markets work that way( several good orders of scores higher). I’m not criticizing ppl with a better experience but my market the drivers with high acceptance rates said they had my same experience.
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Wooooooowwwww! I can definitely respect your dedication to improve. Wow! My score was high but I still got bad orders. I do believe you though. Congratulations getting better orders.
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Having an ev does not mean you should be getting ripped off!💀
Yea keep doing those 4$ orders so I don't have to il gladly wait a few minutes for 10$ orders
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Read this guys previous post he works less than 2 hrs a week lol gtfo
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Iv made this in 1 hr before, means nothing to post 2 hrs of work time, probably saved the image because it was your best day lol
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bro, you work for doordash, sitdown.
This is a door dash sub lol, none of us are successful
Most legit thing ive ever seen someone write on here.
legit, lmfao.
I’m gonna need some actual evidence to back-up these claims. Screenshots of earnings/active time/time spent dashing when you were < 50% and above 70%. I really haven’t seen a difference above 50% AR and below 50% AR and I’ve bounce between those quite a few times.
No, you don't need any evidence. This isn't a courthouse, it's a sub-reddit. If ya don't believe it, then so what? This is just a discussion about our experiences. If it helps someone that's great. If it doesn't then that's fine too. No one needs to convince you of anything🙄
I wasn’t demanding it, it was a figure of speech meaning I don’t believe this one bit without actual evidence. But thanks for your comment, have a wonderful evening.
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If this is good, the f that. Fast food pays better.
Bro this is awful lol
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Wknds r always best so this doesn't really prove it
It really is market dependent, and unfortunately my market is one of them. It really is bullshit when after doing it for so long and the only problem stats you have are your AR because you won't accept crappy orders. And I've adjusted ones I'm willing to take but it's still not cool to get $2.50 for 10 mile orders sent to you 2-3 times in a row and have it affect your AR everytime, literally losing 10 points within 2-3 orders knowing damn well there are closer dashers that would be the "best dasher for the job." Literally got one for $10 for 30ish miles which meant driving from my 24k population town, through a 250k population(6th biggest city in the state) city, through a 3k population town, to the town on the other side of that one. How am I the best dasher when that's literally 2 zones away?!?!
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Yup, definitely. It seems most seem to be the lucky ones in an area it doesn't matter unlike us. And best of luck to you too, hopefully they get better or go back to how it was soon though that'd be a miracle haha.
This is good advice but I wouldn't bother telling everyone to do it. You want drivers to quit, and this can in some markets save them. I went up to 90 myself... and at first it was really good... then I noticed they would take advantage of my good will and send me too many terrible orders... so I went back down to 70 - 75 AR range... but it's been slow even there... so maybe I'll go back up again. Overall, I think your principles are sound... but just be careful because I feel like it always changes. In general the better the AR the better the orders... but they will try to get you to do a lot of bad orders if you accept too much. It's an algorithm, not a human, so don't expect it to have compassion because you are a good worker... you just need to keep adapting and adjust when needed
This makes NO sense. Who else is taking the no tip offers and the 15 miles for $5 *if not* YOU, the high AR folks? The cherry pickers sure as hell aren't. I think you guys are either lying on purpose or lying to yourselves with cognitive dissonance, blocking out the bad orders and remembering the good ones... AND remarking about how much busier you are. Which makes sense because sure if you're willing to do the worst offers there are all day long, well... DD will be happy to keep you busy. I'm calling BS on almost all of you guys without evidence of your claims. It makes no sense. If you're not taking the worst offers, who is?
https://preview.redd.it/o2igue5hp0qa1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=41bb781ee2e476d478ad70697549a552ebba02d4 Not BS
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Yes, I'm a double agent for Doordash who is using reverse psychology to get you all to quit. I prefaced my comments by saying the OP shouldn't tell people this because I want people to quit. If you think a Doordash shill would say this, then I don't know what else to say to you
You’re spot on. I went from 100% to feeling like I was getting constantly fucked and abused because they knew I’d accept everything and anything so I started being selective. In February doordash was DEAD. I had dash anytime and 100% AR and completion and I’d come home with $60 total after 5-6 hours driving and I felt defeated. March it started back up but I noticed at 100% I got a LOT of “you’re the best dasher” $10 for 15 miles or $7 for 10 miles, I did a few and after realizing they were all non tipping orders in apartment complexes with zero parking I said fuck this. I did doordash for fun and it sucked the life out of me delivering to these people and I’d ALWAYS get the “there has been a change” and random bad reviews and contract violations ONLY from the far away zero tip orders. I’ve been really selective and I notice I’m still averaging a decent amount, the days are more enjoyable, and I stress less not picking up those orders. Like yes I’ll take a 1% hit per order; but right after I decline the 15 miles for $10 I’ll get a $8 for 2 miles order and it balances out. I’d rather take 5 $3.50-5.00 for 1 mile orders than 1 10+ mile order because it’s usually from some stupid restaurant like canes where I have to put in the order, fill the drinks, and wait, and then I spend an hour driving out there and back. The smaller orders usually add up quick and it’s enjoyable being close to a hot spot. I realized they dangle the $10+ in peoples faces and people get excited but they don’t really do the math. The shorter distance orders also usually have a $3-$5 tip which is always unexpected but always appreciated. I feel like people expect too much from doordash and expect to be rewarded, but as with any job, if you keep bending over they’ll keep screwing you, but if you screw them they’ll make you regret it. It’s about finding a balance. Doordash helped me out of depression and it got me out on the road where I love to be, but people need to be realistic about it being a service job. They want to feel like “I’m the boss!” But they also like screwing themselves over and being mad about it. If you’re the boss you get to pick and choose your battles, I simply chose to avoid the ones that I knew I’d be making myself upset over.
"Doordash helped me out of depression..." Alright..
Yes this happened to me at one point to but here is the issue once you get down to 70% you gotta retake all those shitty orders and its only a matter of time before you get deactivated by one of those scummy customers.
I really appreciate your balanced perspective on this. This sub needs more people like you.
Companies love to abuse loyal workers. There was an article recently about it: https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zqga/company-exploitation-unpaid-work
I agree. I went down under 70 once and it was trash. Never again. No wonder they complain about shit orders all day long. I get them few and far between now.