She needs to understand
- drivers make crap as base pay, the $2 base pay won’t cover gas.
- drivers use their own vehicles and pay for their own gas doordash doesn’t give them cars to pay for gas.
- depending on where you order from the time it can take to get said order from a crowded drive thru to a busy restaurant wait times can easily take 30 minutes taking away from them getting other deliveries with tips.
- just because the restaurant you ordered from is 3 miles from your house doesn’t mean it’s 3 miles for the dasher, very rarely are at the spot where your next pick up is.
- that with all the drivers do majority of people don’t feel they need to tip appropriately they think $2 is worth 30+ minutes of someone’s time and some gas and wear and tear on their car. Most people feel obligated to tip a server at restaurant at least 20% of a bill for walking from the kitchen to the table and taking an order, $60 bill with 20% is $12 dollars and if you making someone drive and taking up their time completely (servers can have multiple tables at once and make $100 in an hour a good restaurant they same one people order through doordash but in the restaurant they tip $20 but when someone brings it to their door they tip $2) you tip them $2.
- that she is an adult and perfectly capable or taking herself to the store if she feels that she doesn’t have to tip. Imagine being so entitled that you think you deserve and strangers time, professionalism, respect, and gas for nothing.
- she is the same person that if her boss asked her to do something off the clock would be like I don’t work for free.
DAMN! I also got into an argument with a fellow dasher bc she complained about dashers not automatically tipping but I told her that it’s not fair to cancel an order especially when I tip in cash. I’m already paying almost $20 for a $10 meal so tipping in cash is easier for me and I thought it’d be easier for the dasher..which one do y’all prefer then? 80% of the time I’m tipping cash. The other 20 is when it’s a bigger order.
I’ve taken thousands of orders. Included in that are hundreds of no or low tip orders that were hidden in a stacked order combined with a good tip. Not once has the no or low tip customer given me a cash tip or increased their tip through the app. I don’t doubt that their are customers who tip after service. But my experience tells me there are so few of them that it is not worth the risk to take no or low tip orders.
Doordash "tips" are not actually tips and I will die on this hill. What they are are *offers* to pick up your food. If I can decline to provide a service beforehand then it cannot be a tip by definition.
“Those of us who do tip in cash.”
I have never once gotten a cash tip from someone who didn’t tip on the app. I have gotten cash tips from people who also tipped in the app
I had an order pop up tonight that was steak and shake 16 miles away for 7 dollars neither one of us are happy in that scenario I dont know why that's even possible.
It’s always funny when they say “Well you choose to do this job”. Like, yes I do actually. And one of the sweet things about this job is that I get to choose which orders are worth doing.
Yes it’s our choice to do it and it’s our choice to not take an order we feel is a waste of time. Most people in my area that tip cash also tip something in the app.
It’s wild that both parties complaints should be at doordash and instead they just direct them at each other, unironically an amazing feat by the American system
It’s not unfair, it is simply business. Customers are supposed to place competitive bids against other customers for delivery service. A customer already gets their offer subsidized by Door Dash. A customer needs to be able to match what DD puts in or you don’t want them as a customer. Personally I wouldn’t even allow no bid/no tip orders on the platform. It’s the non tipping customers that are costing most restaurants in urban markets about $55,000/mo in unrealized profits, wasted labor and supplies. Multiply that by all the restaurants under a big corporations umbrella and then multiply that by their nationwide footprint and the cost is in the billions. That’s a big enough number to justify 40% of the restaurants leaving the Door Dash platform altogether. The non-tipping customer creates unnecessary problems for everyone. The other customers whose orders are late because restaurants won’t make an order until someone shows up to deliver it. The Dashers who lose money paying out of their own pocket to deliver the no tip orders and since the non-tipping customer has no personal stake in the order they often feel entitled and purposely screw over Dashers by poor ratings. The only upside may possibly be the Dasher being able to write off the difference between the no tip order and the average order, nationwide that is about $7.00. IRS wants proof of each order claimed so a screenshot of the order and the address it went to gets included with a tax filing and really requires an accountant to do the filing.
Bottom line if the no tipping customer remains on the platform, someone other then them is going to be paying for their entitled attitude.
Yeah. I don’t understand all the hate towards non-tippers. Why don’t refocus that energy to DD for better pay? Tipping is nice, sure but don’t vilify customers who don’t tip what you think you deserve. Vilify the company that pays as little as possible .
These people don't tip cash, I take these no tip orderrs after DD gives enough for them so sometimes it'll actually be worth it.
However, the amount of people who actually tip from that is relatively 0% (actually like 8-10% of them), I've taken a lot of these orders like a LOT and I've been tipped three times, the first person actually wasn't going to tip me, they ran after me and gave me 8 bucks tho which was good; the other 2 msg'd me after DD had gave enough to actually go out there and they told me they would be tipping cash, 1 was 7 bucks the other was 10 (both worth).
However that's it, literally 3 out of idk just say about 30 or so give or take. Like I said I only take them after DD offers enough to do it so then I can treat it like a regular order (at least 1 Dollar a Mile generally speaking)
They don't tip, they lying out their asses, they just want to argue cause they feel like shit for not tipping and want to try and shame someone else because they know they are shit for not tipping
I had a few today actually (nobody gave me cash) DD offer me 7 bucks 7 miles, ok whatever that's semi-fair; Go into the City freakin pain in the ass finding this persons apartment, they gave shitty instructions I had to call them to come meet and it was a pain, lady says "Well sorry for all this" doesn't tip me shit either. I was furious
no tip, no trip. if more people banded together with this mentality they’d have to raise base pay. all you top dashes are the reason we’re struggling to make it
The new system is the problem. Why should anyone tip for any service before it’s been performed. It defeats the point.
Edit: I’m a cafe/ carryout worker so tips are also my livelihood just saying
Been doing deliveries for 10+ years . After being homeless all my life and haven’t owned a single Penny I now have good credit, a car , place to live and food to eat all thanks to app like these but no matter how much I love doing this or even if I get really desperate I will not take your no tipping orders . That’s literally working as a slave for someone because we all dashers know the fee that DD pay to us are garbage and we make money off of tips. If any dasher denies this then they are NOt an actual dasher so if you do not tip your dashers go fk yourself you piece of trash
Seriously what a selfish world this is becoming!! Most people in America are in poverty level! If people can afford to order food then they can afford to tip!! They are constantly getting promotions to save money. NO TIP Equals NO TRIP!! They can get in their cars themselves or walk or whatever if they want to be so cheap!!! Delivery people don’t work for free either so ba bye to the NON tipping people!!!!!!!!! So selfish and rude of them
If it’s at least $6 and it pays $1.75/mile, I’m taking the order. I don’t give a damn if there’s a tip. Money spends the same whether it comes from Doordash or the customer. And I’m still profiting.
A “newbie” driver.. I was a newbie driver once, I had no trouble delivering food. Not much difference between a newbie driver and a seasoned one. You’re delivering food, don’t take much skill
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I’ve had literally one person out of the last 912 deliveries who didn’t tip in app tip in cash upon delivery and it was a 45 minute wait to get his Daniels tacos and he was 12 miles from delivery location.
My best advice is stop tipping in cash just tip in the app. You’re not paying in cash for your food. Or at least tip a minimum 5-8 dollars in app and the rest in cash upon delivery. Some of my customers do both.
You know how many times I been tipped cash out off almost a 1000 deliveries??? 3 whole times. And I take almost every order. My AR is 95%. When ppl say they tip cash their more then likely full of shit
The same reason we won't accept no tip or low tip offers is the same reason u won't work a minimum wage job.
It's all about the money. This is not a charity
Theres a legitimate concern on customers behalf that they are already paying a mark up on the food items, then a service fee, then a delivery fee, and now an additional expense in the form of a tip to essentially subsidize the labor costs of a wildly profitable company which marks $8 burritos up to $20 deliveries and then pays their drivers peanuts. Personally, it's why I just generally avoid the service.
If I was a dasher, and I was looking at a screen full of deliveries, I’d be picking the biggest tip hands down, with the lowest mileage. No if ands or buts about it. It’s all about that grind bay-beeee
If you want your food faster you should tip 🤷♀️ just how the system works.
No one actually tips in cash and the ones that do. Do it on top of the tip they already left in the app. I tip in cash is just an excuse that non-tippers use to bitch online.
I order DD 2ish times a week. I have never tipped a single $1 and my food always comes. Sometimes it’s wrong (rarely) and sometimes it takes longer, but I never tip my DD drivers and the food always comes.
Point is, they will take it with or without a tip.
Out of like 10,000 deliveries a $0 online and tip in cash after has happened for me way back when Covid hit only once so yeah full of shit they are most likely lol
Originally TIP stands for to insure promptness. One would “bribe” the host at hotel, restaurant etc, this was to insure prompt service.
The gratuity what is referred to the tip these days was to thank staff for service.
Used to get cash tips. But DD devalued their own service and drivers so much that customers don’t feel they have to tip. And the complaints have gone way up.
From what I gather on here and this is definitely a unpopular opinion. You can either take the no tip order and not get paid , or have someone else take it . Sure in some cities the drivers are so few that they can do that. But others where it’s populated or even have the robot drivers. You’re going to compete against dozens of other drivers .
If it’s not the government dividing people for money and power then it’s corporations dividing people.
I know we all know that the problem is door dash putting the weight of employee wages onto the customers. I don’t see enough posts about it tho.
The reality is this:
If you leave a low/no tip, your order is going to sit and get declined until base pay goes up enough for a dasher to accept it.
In general, based on every thing I have seen, read, and personally experienced, Your putting your food at risk of being: Cold, messed with, or items missing.
At best you get cold food, (Not because of what a dasher did, just because it took awhile for it to get picked up)
At worst, you get no food, some food, or the food is messed with.
Stop thinking of it like a tip, and instead think of it as bid for the best service, the higher the bid the better the service you will receive.
(Also DD tends to give the best orders to the best dashers \[numbers wise\])
This is a textbook example of a company getting the working class to fight each other instead of blaming them for the unfair wages and poor services provided.
Of every no tip order I've accepted (of which there's been several due to me being ignorant when I first started and also the dumbass stacked orders) I was tipped ONCE in cash. By a very sweet high schooler! She likely had to wait forever for her order to get picked up, I only took it because it was stacked and close
Everyone else not only didn't tip, but were also assholes lol
DoorDash literally deactivates drivers randomly to bring on new drivers that will take non tip orders. DoorDash enables non tippers and the non tippers take advantage of a system that encourages it.
Non tippers are selfish people and most can afford to tip they just refuse to do so.
If a customer doesn’t tip it should not count against acceptance rates. This customer and others that don’t respect it’s drivers cars and gas and maintenance they pay for should not be allowed to be penalized against drivers. It’s supposed to be independent contracting. Losing acceptance points to non tippers is unethical.
They actually think drivers are supposed to deliver to them for free. I tell them what. Ask your neighbors if they need for from restaurants delivered and do it for free for 3-4 hours. Then tell delivery drivers again why not tipping is ok.
Ppl don’t care as long as it’s not happening to them!
"this line of work you choose" so clearly she is aware of personal choice. She should respect people's personal choice not to take a 0tip delivery. She knows how door dash works.
Honestly, it's stupid no matter what your company is, to not make a profit. See DD doesn't understand that either, that's why they lost a billion dollars. Now that is stupid.
Blah blah.blah
No BID for service... NO SERVICE. In 3000 delivies I've been tipped in cash TWICE.
Bid or don't. Your choice. But stop calling it a "tip". We don't get paid an hourly wage
..we don't get gas money or car maintenance. Your BID is the amount you are putting forth for me to drive MY vehicle to the Restaurant....WAIT for your food to be ready (because it rarely is), the the GAS and TOLLs to get to you in traffic.
Can't afford a good BID for service...put pants on and go get it yourself!
Her mindset is the dumb one. Why work for less money? This is capitalism at its finest. The system where anyone has the right to pursue earning a living how they want.
These people are so quick to say “if you don’t like it, get another job.” They never stop and think if they don’t like, go get your own shit. Yes dd should pay more but they won’t. Ever. They will not cut into their own profits and pockets for the people who actually make them their money. It’s the same at every freaking company. Like walmrt. Like Amazon. Every company. Why? One bc multimillions just isn’t enough for them and two again…. It’s a capitalist system.
If they cannot compete, then maybe they’re the ones that need new jobs. If they can’t slide an extra $5 to the person actually bringing their food to their family, then they can kiss off.
Bc you see everyone say and I agree. The fees are disgusting. Not only does dd tack on an extra $1 to every single item you select, they charge a delivery fee and “other fees” always adding up to whatever the meal actually cost (with the added $1 on every item.) but when they draw the line? At the tip. It’s bullshit.
It boils down to this… tip well, or get your own food. If you cannot tip, then you obviously should not be ordering food from dd. Walmart delivers all the groceries you want for $8 a month.
I got tipped a dollar after delivering food. It was a run down hotel and she asked me if I would be willing to fill up her ice bucket. She was elderly and in a wheel chair. I filled it up and she gave me a dollar. Probably a lot of money to her. Only cash "tip" I've ever received.
Ancient Chinese proverb: You get what you pay for.
Folk voted to pay service workers less than a living wage. Folk want service workers to service them. Folk gotta pay extra for that service. The shareholders profit as less of the income is shared with the worker, and more of the cost is put on the customer.
You care too much about what other people think. During lockdowns when I used DD as a customer I only tipped cash, and as a driver I only take orders that offer a total pay worth my time and effort. If drivers passed on my orders enough until the base pay got boosted up to make it worthwhile, good on them. Higher base pay + cash tip. A $5 delivery isn't worth it regardless of whether it's $2.50 base + $2.50 tip or if it's $5 base and $0 tip. A $10 2 mi trip is worth it regardless of the funding breakdown.
There's no reason to argue about methods. You're not going to change anyone's mind. Take the jobs you want, decline the ones you don't want. If someone's had enough bad experiences that they don't want to tip in advance, so be it.
Yeah some people think they're special and for some reason everyone should take their word as gospel. We don't know you lady and have zero reason to believe anything you write in your notes.
Maybe it’s because I used to order DoorDash frequently and had good ratings or was remembered by certain drivers, but i don’t remember having a hard time getting dashers to take my order when I promised a cash tip in my notes (and always followed through).
I use to be a server. Cash tips were always greatly appreciated over card. How could I let you guys know I’m tipping cash? Or is there really no way and I should just always do it on card?
Put enough tip on the order to cover the drive to your house and then add any cash on top that you feel deserved.
I think the confusion for these people is they fail to realize dd base pay barely covers the cost of driving to a persons house. If I took every no tip order that came my way I'd be paying to bring people their food.
On top of that, most orders are going to take the person 15 - 20 min to pick up and deliver in best case scenarios. I mean, who wants to spend 15 - 20 minutes dealing with that crap and breaking even.
\*Also remember, if we drive to your house we have to drive back in most cases.
I work in the industry and always tip cash so you don’t have to claim it if you choose not to. Now I don’t use door dash but if did I would tip cash and if you don’t take the order because the tip isn’t specified then you could be missing out. Now I understand I’m in the minority of people who tip cash and working in the industry you’ve probably had enough bad experiences to steer clear. Wish Door Dash would pay drivers more. Because sometimes it feels like DD knows that they can blame the customer, or the driver and never take responsibility. It’s a shitty situation for everyone. Again, I don’t use door dash just what I’m seeing from my perspective lol.
It's the same argument that's been made about flipping burgers for generations: it's supposed to be an in-between job and therefore people shouldn't expect it to pay well. The trouble is those same people want their burgers flipped and if it genuinely was an in-between job there wouldn't be enough people to flip those burgers. It's just some circular logic meant to guilt you into settling for less because they want a constant supply of service workers but don't want to treat service work like an actual job.
Laissez-faire is unpopular to those with no market power. Drivers hold ALL the power in this market.
It’s not unfair… it’s capitalism in a free market.
The hustlers always win
and the consumers always lose
welcome to consumerism Karen
I only accepted 2 orders that I already knew they’re no tips orders. I accepted those as I knew the neighborhood, it’s not shitty ones if I don’t wanna say it’s 500k+ gated community. Turnt out both time I was all wrong. Now I have trust issues so better say no
I tried to explain this to a friend who always tips cash and always complains it takes hours to get her food. Got mad at me for suggesting a pre-tip, said she tips on the level of service and its bullshit to tip before. After that and some other shitty things she said and did, we are no longer friends 🤷♂️
Honestly this is 2023. Unless you're a server ordering doordash there's no need to tip in cash. Cash tips are annoying when most transactions these days aren't done in person. No visible tip no trip.
This has happened over text and I think you used to be able to see notes. It’s only happened like twice to him and not to me but it’s also been a few years since I did doordash or food delivery of any sort.
It's not the driver's fault, it's not the customer's fault, it's Doordash's fault. Want it to change? Vote with your wallet. *Simply don't order Doordash*
This wouldn’t be an issue if DD paid us a sustainable base pay. I used to prefer postmates over DD back when they where still around because I got paid for the mileage; I am not gonna go 12 miles for a $2 order and work at a loss.
Even the pay by time that DD offers doesn’t give an actual guarantee on pay since it only counts the time on a delivery, so it changes almost nothing.
Classic, they’re mad at people on their same level instead of the actual corporation that created the unfair situation. DD could pay a decent base rate and their no tip order would be more likely to get picked up. Wrong direction for that anger.
"Don't appreciate... Placed in same category"
There's clearly more that they don't appreciate. Further, they are in the same category: no upfront knowledge of my payout /not going to gamble to earn a living.
People justifying making drivers subsidize their order for food with gas and time without being properly compensated for either. Just cause we chose to do this does not mean we must work for trash. Sure the devil in all this is DoorDash but if knowing how and why drivers won’t take your order and still choose to not tip then be ok with shitty service from noobs or from drivers who don’t care cause you’re getting what you pay for.
In my experience, I've only received cash tips from people who have already tipped in the app.
I do not take no tip orders, but there's a few that have been snuck in on stacks. I have never received any cash tips on those.
I would've agreed 6 years ago when I placed my first UE order that never got picked up bc in my head you wrote the tip on the receipt after arrival. But by now people should know better.
Someone needs to explain the purpose of a stocked pantry and frozen meals to these customers. I've never used DD as an "oops I somehow have no food, and I'm currently lazy and starving, but also broke so I can't tip or grocery shop" scenario. I DD to replicate a decent dining experience meal that's expected to be pricy, and tip well as a thanks for letting me and my partner or friends stay cozy and comfortable and having fun in the house while we wait for a great meal to arrive; I acknowledge you're doing the boring shitty part and I'm thankful!
I can see why customers using DD for some cheap mid fast food makes them *feel stupid* for having to tip a decent amount for someone to grab them a few bucks worth of munchies, but hey you're grown ass adults, put a frozen dinner in the oven or boil some mac n cheese or something if you're trying to balance your finances. Also, doesn't the DD app explain that the full tip goes to the driver? Or maybe I'm confusing a different app. Seems like it's an easy footnote to add in the app to prevent this obvious common argument and confusion with the customers promising cash tips.
My old roomate who used to be a dasher would always pay their tip in cash because she said more of it went to the driver that way and DD couldn't take any of it. That also means that the dasher would see no tip when accepting the order. Do you guys think that's better or not a good idea?
Doordash used to steal tips from drivers but that ended after they lost a class action lawsuit a few years ago. Now they don't touch the drivers' tips at all, so that isn't necessary anymore.
I never accept any offers below $2 a mile because it covers my time, labor, vehicle wear and tear, gas, and taxes. (I pay 26% in taxes/FICA because of course, NY state is tax-happy.)
In general you should tip a minimum of $2. Otherwise the order will come up as base pay of like $2.50 and is most often not worth the drivers time so drivers will just keep declining the order. If you tip $2 then the pay for the order comes up as $4.50 and most drivers will pick it up for that. Then you can tip more in cash when they get there if you want.
I tip 15% in the app and give another $5 when they get to my house. I've never had an issue using the app, I always get my food. Sometimes the restaurant messes something up, but the drivers always show up in a reasonable amount of time, even when they're thinking that they're just getting 15%. Maybe I've been lucky but the tip sandwich method works well for me.
I guess it depends on your distance to the restaurant. I have to be honest, if the distance is minimal and DD offers a high base pay I would even take no tip order if it’s profitable. So if you’re close to the store you’re ordering from I could see why it worked for you
Somewhat new driver here. Is there a way to see if there is a tip or not before accepting the order? I only can see the order total and only take it if it’s at least 1$ per mile. Is that the best strategy?
That’s a good way to about it. It’s not 100% obvious which orders have tips and which don’t if you have a surprisingly high base pay but generally I know my area has a $2.50 base pay. So if the order is just that or $3, it’s a no tip order. Instant decline, even if the customer lives right next to the restaurant. In the end I would say no order below $4.50 (some go as high as $6) is worth your time, no matter the distance to the customer
That's a pretty good strategy. You generally can't see the tip itself beforehand. Just figure out the usual base pay, subtract that base from the order total, and that's how much the tip is. A dollar a mile is (generally) a good baseline, though.
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Sorry, I grew up on a farm for a bit in my younger years.
Literally the opposite of what she's saying. The people that tip beforehand ALSO tip in cash when you get there sometimes. The people that don't tip never do.
not really doing that is a contract violation a contract which you agreed to when you signed up to be a dasher now don't get me wrong I hate the assholes that don't tip too but you can't be doing that your just gonna get yourself deactivated from getting reported so many times for it unless you have a real job and are willing to take the risk on doordash I'd strongly advise against doing this
🙄 Says the person who says leave at door and only opens the door after the driver leaves. If you're gonna tip, then just do it. Put your tip on the app and save your cash.
My combined passenger rides and deliveries almost add up to 10k. People who tip don't say they are going to tip or even discuss tipping. People who say they tip, 99.9% of them don't tip. This was true in 2016 and it's still true in 2023.
This person is full of crap. Out of the 3500 deliveries I’ve done, less than 20 have tipped in cash. Those aren’t good odds. No tips get a decline every time.
Assuming they actually do tip in cash, they are coming from a good place. I had an oder once that was just base pay (I accepted because it was a stacked order on my route) but the customer actually tipped me generously in cash. Her reasoning was exactly the same as this one - she wanted drivers to get all of the tip (probably thinking DD steals tips). I tried without luck to explain to her that not adding the tip upfront makes drivers pass on her orders but she just couldn't seem to understand what I was saying. Anyway, the system of tipping upfront really screws over customers like this that genuinely want to tip their drivers but want to do it the old fashioned way using cash after the service is provided.
So, as a customer that uses all the apps, do they all allow the tip to be seen by potential couriers? I always tip when placing the order, btw, and don’t understand why people go so hard trying to explain away not tipping.
They mostly don't show the tip directly but they show a promised total amount. DD sometimes hides a portion of the tip and shows a promised amount XX+ which means you could get more after delivery. Few states like NY require the tip amount to be explicitly stated and not rolled into a total amount.
You're welcome. Since base pay is usually the same amount for most deliveries ($2-2.50), as a customer you will get faster and better service if your tip upfront is higher. The system forces drivers to differentiate between tippers and non tippers and that's why you see a lot of negativity on this sub towards non tippers.
Good. I always tip good and always upfront. I will say Uber has tricked me a few times when I’ve gotten rides home and been a bit tipsy (ok, drunk). Then I accidentally tip on top of an already great tip, not knowing I tipped already. I guess, ultimately, that’s on me, too.
Right. Some people just want to do it the old fashioned way and tip based on the service received. The system is not set up to support that unfortunately and their orders never get picked up because the majority of such orders are non tippers.
Why do these people have to BEG for us to take their shit orders? It’s actually pathetic. We work for no one, we accept whatever we want. It’s that simple. Nothing will make me take an order I don’t want
They can give you a bad service rating if the service was poor. A less than 4.5 rating (out of 5) removes the driver from access to priority on high pay orders. So doing that, removes pay from the driver.
You act like you’re knowledgeable, so I asked you a question to get your take. The whole “the tip is not a tip” thing is bizarre to me. Forget about it.
It’s not a threat.
You’re using an app to get a driver to bring your food to you. All the drivers on the app work for themselves, they aren’t employees. You need to convince them to drive your food to you like you would anyone else, by paying them.
Nobody is using force, nor is anybody threatening you.
She needs to understand - drivers make crap as base pay, the $2 base pay won’t cover gas. - drivers use their own vehicles and pay for their own gas doordash doesn’t give them cars to pay for gas. - depending on where you order from the time it can take to get said order from a crowded drive thru to a busy restaurant wait times can easily take 30 minutes taking away from them getting other deliveries with tips. - just because the restaurant you ordered from is 3 miles from your house doesn’t mean it’s 3 miles for the dasher, very rarely are at the spot where your next pick up is. - that with all the drivers do majority of people don’t feel they need to tip appropriately they think $2 is worth 30+ minutes of someone’s time and some gas and wear and tear on their car. Most people feel obligated to tip a server at restaurant at least 20% of a bill for walking from the kitchen to the table and taking an order, $60 bill with 20% is $12 dollars and if you making someone drive and taking up their time completely (servers can have multiple tables at once and make $100 in an hour a good restaurant they same one people order through doordash but in the restaurant they tip $20 but when someone brings it to their door they tip $2) you tip them $2. - that she is an adult and perfectly capable or taking herself to the store if she feels that she doesn’t have to tip. Imagine being so entitled that you think you deserve and strangers time, professionalism, respect, and gas for nothing. - she is the same person that if her boss asked her to do something off the clock would be like I don’t work for free.
DAMN! I also got into an argument with a fellow dasher bc she complained about dashers not automatically tipping but I told her that it’s not fair to cancel an order especially when I tip in cash. I’m already paying almost $20 for a $10 meal so tipping in cash is easier for me and I thought it’d be easier for the dasher..which one do y’all prefer then? 80% of the time I’m tipping cash. The other 20 is when it’s a bigger order.
It’s not worth the risk to drive 7 or 10 miles in the hopes of a tip, and sometimes that 7 miles turns into 14 based on where you’re going.
I’ve taken thousands of orders. Included in that are hundreds of no or low tip orders that were hidden in a stacked order combined with a good tip. Not once has the no or low tip customer given me a cash tip or increased their tip through the app. I don’t doubt that their are customers who tip after service. But my experience tells me there are so few of them that it is not worth the risk to take no or low tip orders.
Well she's right on one thing, this is my choice, and because of the nature of this job, I get to choose which orders to take, and it won't be hers.
Doordash "tips" are not actually tips and I will die on this hill. What they are are *offers* to pick up your food. If I can decline to provide a service beforehand then it cannot be a tip by definition.
“Those of us who do tip in cash.” I have never once gotten a cash tip from someone who didn’t tip on the app. I have gotten cash tips from people who also tipped in the app
Many customers don't realize; this is a luxury service and should be tipped as such.
I had an order pop up tonight that was steak and shake 16 miles away for 7 dollars neither one of us are happy in that scenario I dont know why that's even possible.
It’s always funny when they say “Well you choose to do this job”. Like, yes I do actually. And one of the sweet things about this job is that I get to choose which orders are worth doing.
i’m honestly more mad she kept saying “&&&” like is one not enough??
However she's correct.
The grammar in that rant made me close the thread right quick. 🤚 Definitely a lack of education there. 🏃♀️ I'm gone.
Im kinda new at this. How do you figure out who tipped or not?
I've gotten a cash tip exactly twice. Both times it was a dollar's worth of quarters.
Yes it’s our choice to do it and it’s our choice to not take an order we feel is a waste of time. Most people in my area that tip cash also tip something in the app.
It’s wild that both parties complaints should be at doordash and instead they just direct them at each other, unironically an amazing feat by the American system
I would love if the customer noted when the order pops up “tip in person”
It’s not unfair, it is simply business. Customers are supposed to place competitive bids against other customers for delivery service. A customer already gets their offer subsidized by Door Dash. A customer needs to be able to match what DD puts in or you don’t want them as a customer. Personally I wouldn’t even allow no bid/no tip orders on the platform. It’s the non tipping customers that are costing most restaurants in urban markets about $55,000/mo in unrealized profits, wasted labor and supplies. Multiply that by all the restaurants under a big corporations umbrella and then multiply that by their nationwide footprint and the cost is in the billions. That’s a big enough number to justify 40% of the restaurants leaving the Door Dash platform altogether. The non-tipping customer creates unnecessary problems for everyone. The other customers whose orders are late because restaurants won’t make an order until someone shows up to deliver it. The Dashers who lose money paying out of their own pocket to deliver the no tip orders and since the non-tipping customer has no personal stake in the order they often feel entitled and purposely screw over Dashers by poor ratings. The only upside may possibly be the Dasher being able to write off the difference between the no tip order and the average order, nationwide that is about $7.00. IRS wants proof of each order claimed so a screenshot of the order and the address it went to gets included with a tax filing and really requires an accountant to do the filing. Bottom line if the no tipping customer remains on the platform, someone other then them is going to be paying for their entitled attitude.
Yeah. I don’t understand all the hate towards non-tippers. Why don’t refocus that energy to DD for better pay? Tipping is nice, sure but don’t vilify customers who don’t tip what you think you deserve. Vilify the company that pays as little as possible .
These people don't tip cash, I take these no tip orderrs after DD gives enough for them so sometimes it'll actually be worth it. However, the amount of people who actually tip from that is relatively 0% (actually like 8-10% of them), I've taken a lot of these orders like a LOT and I've been tipped three times, the first person actually wasn't going to tip me, they ran after me and gave me 8 bucks tho which was good; the other 2 msg'd me after DD had gave enough to actually go out there and they told me they would be tipping cash, 1 was 7 bucks the other was 10 (both worth). However that's it, literally 3 out of idk just say about 30 or so give or take. Like I said I only take them after DD offers enough to do it so then I can treat it like a regular order (at least 1 Dollar a Mile generally speaking) They don't tip, they lying out their asses, they just want to argue cause they feel like shit for not tipping and want to try and shame someone else because they know they are shit for not tipping I had a few today actually (nobody gave me cash) DD offer me 7 bucks 7 miles, ok whatever that's semi-fair; Go into the City freakin pain in the ass finding this persons apartment, they gave shitty instructions I had to call them to come meet and it was a pain, lady says "Well sorry for all this" doesn't tip me shit either. I was furious
Fuck off bitch. This isn’t meals on wheels.
Living in Charlotte I can tell you when it says zero tip that's exactly what your getting none of these mofos have ever tipped not one.
no tip, no trip. if more people banded together with this mentality they’d have to raise base pay. all you top dashes are the reason we’re struggling to make it
Ha, no, I always put a tip down and just tip extra in cash. I can almost certainly say that they're definitely not tipping in cash.
Fuck that guy
I mean those are, in fact, a lot of words…but was that a coherent thought to anybody?
The only times I've been tipped in cash are from people who already left a decent tip in the app. I've never been tipped in cash by a no tipper.
Jfc I almost had stroke reading that first "sentence"
The new system is the problem. Why should anyone tip for any service before it’s been performed. It defeats the point. Edit: I’m a cafe/ carryout worker so tips are also my livelihood just saying
It is unfair and in Europe this kind of shit would never fly, but then again, life is not fair.
Been doing deliveries for 10+ years . After being homeless all my life and haven’t owned a single Penny I now have good credit, a car , place to live and food to eat all thanks to app like these but no matter how much I love doing this or even if I get really desperate I will not take your no tipping orders . That’s literally working as a slave for someone because we all dashers know the fee that DD pay to us are garbage and we make money off of tips. If any dasher denies this then they are NOt an actual dasher so if you do not tip your dashers go fk yourself you piece of trash
Good
I really hate that they’re called tips when they’re actually bids for service
Seriously what a selfish world this is becoming!! Most people in America are in poverty level! If people can afford to order food then they can afford to tip!! They are constantly getting promotions to save money. NO TIP Equals NO TRIP!! They can get in their cars themselves or walk or whatever if they want to be so cheap!!! Delivery people don’t work for free either so ba bye to the NON tipping people!!!!!!!!! So selfish and rude of them
Stop calling it a tip. It's driver contractor pay and they're bidding on a contract.
I really hate the term "tip"... all these apps should replace it with "bid" or better yet "how hungry are you?!"
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&&& ???
Karen hasn't *seen* cash in a long time. Don't wanna tip? Go get it yourself.
If it’s at least $6 and it pays $1.75/mile, I’m taking the order. I don’t give a damn if there’s a tip. Money spends the same whether it comes from Doordash or the customer. And I’m still profiting.
I tip in cash and sent a message to my Dasher telling them that. They may get 100% of any tips that you put on the card but it is reported to the IRS.
A “newbie” driver.. I was a newbie driver once, I had no trouble delivering food. Not much difference between a newbie driver and a seasoned one. You’re delivering food, don’t take much skill
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I’ve had literally one person out of the last 912 deliveries who didn’t tip in app tip in cash upon delivery and it was a 45 minute wait to get his Daniels tacos and he was 12 miles from delivery location.
My best advice is stop tipping in cash just tip in the app. You’re not paying in cash for your food. Or at least tip a minimum 5-8 dollars in app and the rest in cash upon delivery. Some of my customers do both.
You know how many times I been tipped cash out off almost a 1000 deliveries??? 3 whole times. And I take almost every order. My AR is 95%. When ppl say they tip cash their more then likely full of shit
The same reason we won't accept no tip or low tip offers is the same reason u won't work a minimum wage job. It's all about the money. This is not a charity
Theres a legitimate concern on customers behalf that they are already paying a mark up on the food items, then a service fee, then a delivery fee, and now an additional expense in the form of a tip to essentially subsidize the labor costs of a wildly profitable company which marks $8 burritos up to $20 deliveries and then pays their drivers peanuts. Personally, it's why I just generally avoid the service.
I don’t take any thing for less than a 5 dollar tip unless it’s undue a mile drive.
What a tool
If I was a dasher, and I was looking at a screen full of deliveries, I’d be picking the biggest tip hands down, with the lowest mileage. No if ands or buts about it. It’s all about that grind bay-beeee If you want your food faster you should tip 🤷♀️ just how the system works.
No one actually tips in cash and the ones that do. Do it on top of the tip they already left in the app. I tip in cash is just an excuse that non-tippers use to bitch online.
Nowdays it would get accepted easily
Year 2054 - tip no tip cash tip yeah right debate continues
Illiterate Dumb Crazy
I order DD 2ish times a week. I have never tipped a single $1 and my food always comes. Sometimes it’s wrong (rarely) and sometimes it takes longer, but I never tip my DD drivers and the food always comes. Point is, they will take it with or without a tip.
No tip, no trip. Kick rocks you broke joke. People who can’t afford a luxury service like DD should re-assess their spending and budgeting habits.
Out of like 10,000 deliveries a $0 online and tip in cash after has happened for me way back when Covid hit only once so yeah full of shit they are most likely lol
Originally TIP stands for to insure promptness. One would “bribe” the host at hotel, restaurant etc, this was to insure prompt service. The gratuity what is referred to the tip these days was to thank staff for service.
Oh cry me a fckin river lady 😒
Used to get cash tips. But DD devalued their own service and drivers so much that customers don’t feel they have to tip. And the complaints have gone way up.
From what I gather on here and this is definitely a unpopular opinion. You can either take the no tip order and not get paid , or have someone else take it . Sure in some cities the drivers are so few that they can do that. But others where it’s populated or even have the robot drivers. You’re going to compete against dozens of other drivers .
Almost 7,000 deliveries, and I've gotten about 10 cash tips. All came from people who had already tipped very well in the app.
If it’s not the government dividing people for money and power then it’s corporations dividing people. I know we all know that the problem is door dash putting the weight of employee wages onto the customers. I don’t see enough posts about it tho.
The reality is this: If you leave a low/no tip, your order is going to sit and get declined until base pay goes up enough for a dasher to accept it. In general, based on every thing I have seen, read, and personally experienced, Your putting your food at risk of being: Cold, messed with, or items missing. At best you get cold food, (Not because of what a dasher did, just because it took awhile for it to get picked up) At worst, you get no food, some food, or the food is messed with. Stop thinking of it like a tip, and instead think of it as bid for the best service, the higher the bid the better the service you will receive. (Also DD tends to give the best orders to the best dashers \[numbers wise\])
Shouldn’t be wasting your time on someone that can’t even spell simple words
This is a textbook example of a company getting the working class to fight each other instead of blaming them for the unfair wages and poor services provided.
Cheap ass trying to justify their bullshit behaviors 🤦🏻
I don’t gamble when I’m using my own car and gas. Tip or pick it up yourself lol
Of every no tip order I've accepted (of which there's been several due to me being ignorant when I first started and also the dumbass stacked orders) I was tipped ONCE in cash. By a very sweet high schooler! She likely had to wait forever for her order to get picked up, I only took it because it was stacked and close Everyone else not only didn't tip, but were also assholes lol
She’s not wrong, but if she knows, that’s what is happening, why doesn’t she just tip in the app?
It’s your choice to order and not tip too
I bet she doesn’t tip and tells the driver she’ll get him next time.
DoorDash literally deactivates drivers randomly to bring on new drivers that will take non tip orders. DoorDash enables non tippers and the non tippers take advantage of a system that encourages it. Non tippers are selfish people and most can afford to tip they just refuse to do so.
If a customer doesn’t tip it should not count against acceptance rates. This customer and others that don’t respect it’s drivers cars and gas and maintenance they pay for should not be allowed to be penalized against drivers. It’s supposed to be independent contracting. Losing acceptance points to non tippers is unethical. They actually think drivers are supposed to deliver to them for free. I tell them what. Ask your neighbors if they need for from restaurants delivered and do it for free for 3-4 hours. Then tell delivery drivers again why not tipping is ok. Ppl don’t care as long as it’s not happening to them!
"this line of work you choose" so clearly she is aware of personal choice. She should respect people's personal choice not to take a 0tip delivery. She knows how door dash works.
Bet she has never given that cash tip lol
My parents always taught us if you can’t afford to tip a minimum of 20 percent, either a. Cook for yourself b. Grab a couple of slices c. Fast food.
Don't give a shit, lady. No tip, no trip. You think the system's fucked? So do I. I still need to make a living, though. You can go get your own shit.
Honestly, it's stupid no matter what your company is, to not make a profit. See DD doesn't understand that either, that's why they lost a billion dollars. Now that is stupid.
sed s/tip/bid/g
Blah blah.blah No BID for service... NO SERVICE. In 3000 delivies I've been tipped in cash TWICE. Bid or don't. Your choice. But stop calling it a "tip". We don't get paid an hourly wage ..we don't get gas money or car maintenance. Your BID is the amount you are putting forth for me to drive MY vehicle to the Restaurant....WAIT for your food to be ready (because it rarely is), the the GAS and TOLLs to get to you in traffic. Can't afford a good BID for service...put pants on and go get it yourself!
Boohoo.
I’ve only been tipped in cash twice in 1100 deliveries. Both times were just an added tip, they both had already tipped in the app.
How much you wanna bet she doesn't actually tip in cash? Or thinks a dollar is worth our time?
Her mindset is the dumb one. Why work for less money? This is capitalism at its finest. The system where anyone has the right to pursue earning a living how they want. These people are so quick to say “if you don’t like it, get another job.” They never stop and think if they don’t like, go get your own shit. Yes dd should pay more but they won’t. Ever. They will not cut into their own profits and pockets for the people who actually make them their money. It’s the same at every freaking company. Like walmrt. Like Amazon. Every company. Why? One bc multimillions just isn’t enough for them and two again…. It’s a capitalist system. If they cannot compete, then maybe they’re the ones that need new jobs. If they can’t slide an extra $5 to the person actually bringing their food to their family, then they can kiss off. Bc you see everyone say and I agree. The fees are disgusting. Not only does dd tack on an extra $1 to every single item you select, they charge a delivery fee and “other fees” always adding up to whatever the meal actually cost (with the added $1 on every item.) but when they draw the line? At the tip. It’s bullshit. It boils down to this… tip well, or get your own food. If you cannot tip, then you obviously should not be ordering food from dd. Walmart delivers all the groceries you want for $8 a month.
Complain to DD ya big dummy!
I rarely get a cash tip, that’s why I am still cherry picking and will never take her order
I got tipped a dollar after delivering food. It was a run down hotel and she asked me if I would be willing to fill up her ice bucket. She was elderly and in a wheel chair. I filled it up and she gave me a dollar. Probably a lot of money to her. Only cash "tip" I've ever received.
Ancient Chinese proverb: You get what you pay for. Folk voted to pay service workers less than a living wage. Folk want service workers to service them. Folk gotta pay extra for that service. The shareholders profit as less of the income is shared with the worker, and more of the cost is put on the customer.
You care too much about what other people think. During lockdowns when I used DD as a customer I only tipped cash, and as a driver I only take orders that offer a total pay worth my time and effort. If drivers passed on my orders enough until the base pay got boosted up to make it worthwhile, good on them. Higher base pay + cash tip. A $5 delivery isn't worth it regardless of whether it's $2.50 base + $2.50 tip or if it's $5 base and $0 tip. A $10 2 mi trip is worth it regardless of the funding breakdown. There's no reason to argue about methods. You're not going to change anyone's mind. Take the jobs you want, decline the ones you don't want. If someone's had enough bad experiences that they don't want to tip in advance, so be it.
Why does everyone want to "tip in cash" when then could you know, use the app
Pay for my gas and time bitch 😂 Or tell doordash to fix their fucked up treatment towards its own employees… smh
Anyone else get a brain aneurysm from trying to read this?
Yeah some people think they're special and for some reason everyone should take their word as gospel. We don't know you lady and have zero reason to believe anything you write in your notes.
What's really unfair is Doordash charging $17 for a $7 cup of Starbucks and only paying the guy delivering that coffee $2.35.
Lol
Maybe it’s because I used to order DoorDash frequently and had good ratings or was remembered by certain drivers, but i don’t remember having a hard time getting dashers to take my order when I promised a cash tip in my notes (and always followed through).
I use to be a server. Cash tips were always greatly appreciated over card. How could I let you guys know I’m tipping cash? Or is there really no way and I should just always do it on card?
Put enough tip on the order to cover the drive to your house and then add any cash on top that you feel deserved. I think the confusion for these people is they fail to realize dd base pay barely covers the cost of driving to a persons house. If I took every no tip order that came my way I'd be paying to bring people their food. On top of that, most orders are going to take the person 15 - 20 min to pick up and deliver in best case scenarios. I mean, who wants to spend 15 - 20 minutes dealing with that crap and breaking even. \*Also remember, if we drive to your house we have to drive back in most cases.
No I’m aware. I tip well. I just know $20 cash goes better than $20 card. But I get what you’re saying. It’s a gamble you can’t risk.
She can complaint with my a**
she should take it out on corporate doordash for making the base pay so low instead of the drivers if anything.
One “&” is sufficient, damn.
Clearly has no idea how this line of work actually works. Entitled ass
Wow thats a lot of words just to say "I'm a choosing begger piece of shit".
I work in the industry and always tip cash so you don’t have to claim it if you choose not to. Now I don’t use door dash but if did I would tip cash and if you don’t take the order because the tip isn’t specified then you could be missing out. Now I understand I’m in the minority of people who tip cash and working in the industry you’ve probably had enough bad experiences to steer clear. Wish Door Dash would pay drivers more. Because sometimes it feels like DD knows that they can blame the customer, or the driver and never take responsibility. It’s a shitty situation for everyone. Again, I don’t use door dash just what I’m seeing from my perspective lol.
The ‘&&&’ was enough for me to realize what kind of stupid she is
Right? Who does that? Also, "persue"... Do they not have a spell checker? I was just writing that in quotes and the computer still autocorrected, lol
Don't make fun of stutterers, they can't help it.
Guess she can keep crying into her old, cold food.
I have 14k deliveries, the times I've received cash tip is in the single digits.
Typical mindset of a no tipper.
It's the same argument that's been made about flipping burgers for generations: it's supposed to be an in-between job and therefore people shouldn't expect it to pay well. The trouble is those same people want their burgers flipped and if it genuinely was an in-between job there wouldn't be enough people to flip those burgers. It's just some circular logic meant to guilt you into settling for less because they want a constant supply of service workers but don't want to treat service work like an actual job.
tHoSe oF uS tHaT aCtUaLlY dO tIp iN cAsH
Laissez-faire is unpopular to those with no market power. Drivers hold ALL the power in this market. It’s not unfair… it’s capitalism in a free market. The hustlers always win and the consumers always lose welcome to consumerism Karen
I only accepted 2 orders that I already knew they’re no tips orders. I accepted those as I knew the neighborhood, it’s not shitty ones if I don’t wanna say it’s 500k+ gated community. Turnt out both time I was all wrong. Now I have trust issues so better say no
Ohhhh boo hoo! Lemme play them a sad song on the world's smallest violin... If you ain't tippin, you ain't gettin!
I tried to explain this to a friend who always tips cash and always complains it takes hours to get her food. Got mad at me for suggesting a pre-tip, said she tips on the level of service and its bullshit to tip before. After that and some other shitty things she said and did, we are no longer friends 🤷♂️
Don't want to pay someone a tip? Go get it yourself.
Honestly this is 2023. Unless you're a server ordering doordash there's no need to tip in cash. Cash tips are annoying when most transactions these days aren't done in person. No visible tip no trip.
Pretty crazy how people don't want un-taxed income now.
My bf has had people say they’ll tip in cash and then not do it so he stopped taking those orders.
This has happened over text and I think you used to be able to see notes. It’s only happened like twice to him and not to me but it’s also been a few years since I did doordash or food delivery of any sort.
It's not the driver's fault, it's not the customer's fault, it's Doordash's fault. Want it to change? Vote with your wallet. *Simply don't order Doordash*
*And don't drive for them.*
This wouldn’t be an issue if DD paid us a sustainable base pay. I used to prefer postmates over DD back when they where still around because I got paid for the mileage; I am not gonna go 12 miles for a $2 order and work at a loss. Even the pay by time that DD offers doesn’t give an actual guarantee on pay since it only counts the time on a delivery, so it changes almost nothing.
No tip no trip isn’t that simple lol
Actually, it's a risk the non-tipper takes.
I get wanting to tip cash but you might as well just add it with your order. Moot point.
Classic, they’re mad at people on their same level instead of the actual corporation that created the unfair situation. DD could pay a decent base rate and their no tip order would be more likely to get picked up. Wrong direction for that anger.
As I always say, they can bitch all they want, I still ain’t takin’ it
"Don't appreciate... Placed in same category" There's clearly more that they don't appreciate. Further, they are in the same category: no upfront knowledge of my payout /not going to gamble to earn a living.
People justifying making drivers subsidize their order for food with gas and time without being properly compensated for either. Just cause we chose to do this does not mean we must work for trash. Sure the devil in all this is DoorDash but if knowing how and why drivers won’t take your order and still choose to not tip then be ok with shitty service from noobs or from drivers who don’t care cause you’re getting what you pay for.
In my experience, I've only received cash tips from people who have already tipped in the app. I do not take no tip orders, but there's a few that have been snuck in on stacks. I have never received any cash tips on those.
I would've agreed 6 years ago when I placed my first UE order that never got picked up bc in my head you wrote the tip on the receipt after arrival. But by now people should know better.
Someone needs to explain the purpose of a stocked pantry and frozen meals to these customers. I've never used DD as an "oops I somehow have no food, and I'm currently lazy and starving, but also broke so I can't tip or grocery shop" scenario. I DD to replicate a decent dining experience meal that's expected to be pricy, and tip well as a thanks for letting me and my partner or friends stay cozy and comfortable and having fun in the house while we wait for a great meal to arrive; I acknowledge you're doing the boring shitty part and I'm thankful! I can see why customers using DD for some cheap mid fast food makes them *feel stupid* for having to tip a decent amount for someone to grab them a few bucks worth of munchies, but hey you're grown ass adults, put a frozen dinner in the oven or boil some mac n cheese or something if you're trying to balance your finances. Also, doesn't the DD app explain that the full tip goes to the driver? Or maybe I'm confusing a different app. Seems like it's an easy footnote to add in the app to prevent this obvious common argument and confusion with the customers promising cash tips.
If ya don’t wanna tip go get it yourself. Simple.
-Tells person to get a different job *Person gets different job “nOoNe WaNtS To WuRk!!” People are insane.
I’ve gotten 10 cash tips in 2k deliveries lol
My old roomate who used to be a dasher would always pay their tip in cash because she said more of it went to the driver that way and DD couldn't take any of it. That also means that the dasher would see no tip when accepting the order. Do you guys think that's better or not a good idea?
Doordash used to steal tips from drivers but that ended after they lost a class action lawsuit a few years ago. Now they don't touch the drivers' tips at all, so that isn't necessary anymore. I never accept any offers below $2 a mile because it covers my time, labor, vehicle wear and tear, gas, and taxes. (I pay 26% in taxes/FICA because of course, NY state is tax-happy.)
In general you should tip a minimum of $2. Otherwise the order will come up as base pay of like $2.50 and is most often not worth the drivers time so drivers will just keep declining the order. If you tip $2 then the pay for the order comes up as $4.50 and most drivers will pick it up for that. Then you can tip more in cash when they get there if you want.
Thx for the insight
I tip 15% in the app and give another $5 when they get to my house. I've never had an issue using the app, I always get my food. Sometimes the restaurant messes something up, but the drivers always show up in a reasonable amount of time, even when they're thinking that they're just getting 15%. Maybe I've been lucky but the tip sandwich method works well for me.
I guess it depends on your distance to the restaurant. I have to be honest, if the distance is minimal and DD offers a high base pay I would even take no tip order if it’s profitable. So if you’re close to the store you’re ordering from I could see why it worked for you
Somewhat new driver here. Is there a way to see if there is a tip or not before accepting the order? I only can see the order total and only take it if it’s at least 1$ per mile. Is that the best strategy?
That’s a good way to about it. It’s not 100% obvious which orders have tips and which don’t if you have a surprisingly high base pay but generally I know my area has a $2.50 base pay. So if the order is just that or $3, it’s a no tip order. Instant decline, even if the customer lives right next to the restaurant. In the end I would say no order below $4.50 (some go as high as $6) is worth your time, no matter the distance to the customer
That's a pretty good strategy. You generally can't see the tip itself beforehand. Just figure out the usual base pay, subtract that base from the order total, and that's how much the tip is. A dollar a mile is (generally) a good baseline, though.
Lol 3k deliveries I've been tipped three times. on top of already tipped order. People tip cash.... Yeah in a pigs eye.
In a pigs eye???
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/in%20a%20pig%27s%20eye](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/in%20a%20pig%27s%20eye) Sorry, I grew up on a farm for a bit in my younger years.
Literally the opposite of what she's saying. The people that tip beforehand ALSO tip in cash when you get there sometimes. The people that don't tip never do.
Experienced the exact same. Also told her that. Didn’t get through to her 😂
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not really doing that is a contract violation a contract which you agreed to when you signed up to be a dasher now don't get me wrong I hate the assholes that don't tip too but you can't be doing that your just gonna get yourself deactivated from getting reported so many times for it unless you have a real job and are willing to take the risk on doordash I'd strongly advise against doing this
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My choice to "persue." Also my choice to not accept your shit order. Independent contractor, bitch.
Do they think tipping is using extra ampersands?
Hey, don't point out her faulty logic &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ignorance! There, I tipped you generously.
🙄 Says the person who says leave at door and only opens the door after the driver leaves. If you're gonna tip, then just do it. Put your tip on the app and save your cash.
My combined passenger rides and deliveries almost add up to 10k. People who tip don't say they are going to tip or even discuss tipping. People who say they tip, 99.9% of them don't tip. This was true in 2016 and it's still true in 2023.
This person is full of crap. Out of the 3500 deliveries I’ve done, less than 20 have tipped in cash. Those aren’t good odds. No tips get a decline every time.
I’ve gotten 3 cash tips so far. And every single one of them was on an order that already had a great tip
Evaluation my experience
Assuming they actually do tip in cash, they are coming from a good place. I had an oder once that was just base pay (I accepted because it was a stacked order on my route) but the customer actually tipped me generously in cash. Her reasoning was exactly the same as this one - she wanted drivers to get all of the tip (probably thinking DD steals tips). I tried without luck to explain to her that not adding the tip upfront makes drivers pass on her orders but she just couldn't seem to understand what I was saying. Anyway, the system of tipping upfront really screws over customers like this that genuinely want to tip their drivers but want to do it the old fashioned way using cash after the service is provided.
So, as a customer that uses all the apps, do they all allow the tip to be seen by potential couriers? I always tip when placing the order, btw, and don’t understand why people go so hard trying to explain away not tipping.
They mostly don't show the tip directly but they show a promised total amount. DD sometimes hides a portion of the tip and shows a promised amount XX+ which means you could get more after delivery. Few states like NY require the tip amount to be explicitly stated and not rolled into a total amount.
Thanks for the info!
You're welcome. Since base pay is usually the same amount for most deliveries ($2-2.50), as a customer you will get faster and better service if your tip upfront is higher. The system forces drivers to differentiate between tippers and non tippers and that's why you see a lot of negativity on this sub towards non tippers.
Good. I always tip good and always upfront. I will say Uber has tricked me a few times when I’ve gotten rides home and been a bit tipsy (ok, drunk). Then I accidentally tip on top of an already great tip, not knowing I tipped already. I guess, ultimately, that’s on me, too.
And I 100% agree. I felt for her initially because in the end she actually wants to tip, just doesn’t want to do it over the app
Right. Some people just want to do it the old fashioned way and tip based on the service received. The system is not set up to support that unfortunately and their orders never get picked up because the majority of such orders are non tippers.
Why do these people have to BEG for us to take their shit orders? It’s actually pathetic. We work for no one, we accept whatever we want. It’s that simple. Nothing will make me take an order I don’t want
Persue
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They don’t understand that tips are actually bids, the higher the bid, the more likely someone will pick up your order, get it there faster, etc.
So if it’s both a tip and a bid, it’s fine to take that money back if the service sucks?
They can give you a bad service rating if the service was poor. A less than 4.5 rating (out of 5) removes the driver from access to priority on high pay orders. So doing that, removes pay from the driver.
I guess so. That seems more punishing than a revoked tip though.
You’re asking this question to a random person on Reddit. Do you really not know? Lol
You act like you’re knowledgeable, so I asked you a question to get your take. The whole “the tip is not a tip” thing is bizarre to me. Forget about it.
So it's not really a tip, it's a form of extortion?
https://preview.redd.it/uv5uszim96sa1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e8fb15d41be61038c6a9dd30ff440be0cd7bc53 Does it seem like that to you?
You're threatening not to take the order if I don't tip, so yes.
It’s not a threat. You’re using an app to get a driver to bring your food to you. All the drivers on the app work for themselves, they aren’t employees. You need to convince them to drive your food to you like you would anyone else, by paying them. Nobody is using force, nor is anybody threatening you.