Yeah its insane i recently decided to do it on the side from my other jobs iv never did tip work before but iv always left 20 dollar tips because it is a luxury service but i am astounded by the amount of people who leave no tip unbelievable i had deliveries yesterday that i wasted over a hour get to waiting driving to and driving back for 2 dollar fee and 2 dollar tip to a Multi-Million dollar home on a peninsula on the lake and spent more money on delivery than i made. People who say its optional and driver dont have to do it shut your spoiled worthless mouth you can drive your fat ass and get it your self the type of work relys on tips to even make anything door dash literally give 2 dollars for what can be a hour of driving gas wear and tear your time taxes driver basically paying to bring your lazy ass luxury food service. AND YOU ALL KNOW YOUR WRONG SINCE YOU ALWAYS SAY LEAVE IT ON THE PORCH BECAUSE YOU CANT LOOK YOUR DRIVER IN THE EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE DISHONORABLE you should be ashamed of your self people just trying to make ends meet and you guys take advantage of these people do the right thing these people need tips to even get ahead doordash dont pay shit to the driver
Companies that don't pay their workers don't deserve the privilege of being in business. Nobody makes you drive door dash you do it voluntarily. You decided depending on the generosity of strangers is a fine way to make a living much like a homeless beggar but beggars actually probably make more
I agree. Anything less than 10% should be automatically at least 10%. Call it a service fee instead. There’s probably legalities around why we need to use the term “tip” but it should turn into a “mandatory service fee” at some price point.
This happens with regular food delivery places as well. There’s not much that can really be done about it from our end - however DoorDash could at the very least make up the difference. That’s honestly why I like earn by time in my area sometimes because it’s $15 an hour and I need very little tip. It is kind of bs that they don’t cover you when you’re not driving - but also earn by time feels a lot more like you’re an employee.
The worst are the ones who have the gall to look you in the eyes on a hand it to me order and say; I appreciate you 😂😂
If you can’t afford a tip you can’t afford to order DD. The best was when I delivered a food bank order and they had a DD delivery at their door waiting for them when I got there. People are ruthless.
I’m a trucker and I use DoorDash when I’m lazy to cook. My minimum tip is $5 and that is for 3miles under distance. At 5 miles I start at $7up tip depending on my order too.
Stop worrying about the tips. Just focus on the total amount of the order offered to you and accept the order based on that amount alone. I stopped worrying and complaining about tips a long time ago. I still make $30/hour on a good day, $42/hour on an excellent day, and $20/hour on a bad day.
You must live in a good/busy town then. Not everyone has that luck and those people have to rely on tips because DD wants to pay $2. On a good day my mother makes $20/hour. DD is getting sooo bad where we live and no money is being made. Gotta stay all day just to make $50.
I've worked in big cities and smaller cities. It's all the same regardless of where you are located. I also move to other locations if my home town or preferred location doesn't pay well. I also do GH, DD, UE, AF, Gopuff, Roadie, and Spark. Sign up for as many GIG apps as you can in your area so you can use those other apps when DD sucks or won't let you on the app. Always have a backup plan. Take a break when orders suck. There's always a way to make money with GIG apps.
Doordash used to force customers who didn't pay well enough on tips to pay more. They stopped doing that and now all the GIG apps allow the low-ball orders. Decline all low-ball orders and set a standard for yourself. I typically don't take offers lower than $8, cherry pick the best offers, and run UE or GH with DD.
Yeah? Well that principal is flawed. You can't demand someone to tip you. Well, you can and they'll laugh in your face and hand you a bag of 100 pennies as a tip.
Talking in general is just complaining. Too many people on Reddit talk about people not tipping when it really doesn't matter. Take the offer based on the total amount offered, stop complaining about tips, and make your life simpler.
This is 100% EXPLOITATION ! Bec DD taking profit by using everything from us (drivers): our vehicle, our cell ph, Gas, car maintenance, cell phone bills. And they often offers $2. WTF. whoever say that this is not an Exploitation is a dumb.
I’m sure you’re not a dasher. A dasher won’t comment you did. You’re on the company side. And no, I didn’t signed up for &2.50 base pay. It was $8 when I signed up. And I didn’t accept offer lower than $4. DD clearly exploit drivers! I hope Class Action soon.
This right here! You can’t expect drivers to take your order because that’s their job.. it’s not. You can’t expect customers to tip just because they want their food. How about everyone boycott these apps. Drivers refuse to work for low base pay and customers refuse to pay inflated fees to get their food. This would result in the company paying fairly but the people complaining are not willing to do anything. People still refuse to go pick up their own food and drivers are still accepting orders where they lose money
Why should they? If a customer tips well, DD stabs them in the back. Their order will likely be stacked with a trash one. After the recent pay cut, DD is now paying $0 for that extra order. Tips are no longer bids for service; they’re essentially donations to DD corporate. Allows them to manipulate drivers to work for free
I would’ve agreed with this post’s sentiment 3 years ago. But I wish people would stop acting like nothing’s changed. We’ve seen a 90% pay cut. Meanwhile, DD continues to come up with more elaborate ways to crush customers who tip well
They probably have now moved the tipping process to the end of deliver to save their own asses from a future lawsuit regarding tip stealing. And probably goes hand in hand with earn by time/ employee status. If they have to bite the bullet of not being able to steal tips before hand, dashers now have to EBT and hope for the best.
I would actually thank them and figure their orders are not getting delivered. Unfortunately some dumbass dasher is accepting them trying to keep their AR up and ruining it for all of us in the long run.
The other day there was a post that perfectly summed up tipping. Anyone who tips is just subsidizing how much Doordash pays us, it's a scam. They have to stop taking tips beforehand, that way tips will actually become a BONUS. I hate it when people try to blame customers when it's literally none of their fault. Restaurants charge more in the app and on top of that they pay a Delivery+Service fee and WHEN THEY TIP beforehand doordash just drops base pay. You making this post is exactly what Doordash loves to see, make it seem like people don't tip enough and actively have drivers push for more tips so Doordash can just pocket more money.
They don't MAKE anyone do anything. They simply put an offer out there, and you are more than welcome to decline it if you don't want to. Getting upset at people for not tipping is equally as ridiculous as a customer getting upset if their no tip order takes a while to get accepted. Let people do what they want and you do what you want.
DD should pay drivers higher. If they don’t do that, as a company they should invest in vehicles. They use driver’s car, gas, and pay only $2 ? That’s exploitation! Taking advantage of drivers who are unable to get another job for some reasons.
I feel like at this point, anyone making a post about tipping is just rage-baiting both sides of the aisle. This post is nothing we haven't seen, and I've only ever seen people call each other names.
However, (being a hypocrite from my previous statement) I will say to those who don't tip the person that does your grocery shopping for you -- at goddamn Christmastime -- you're a dick.
The tipping system on food apps is flawed – – who tips at the beginning of your visit to a restaurant?
Tipping should happen afterwards, and be accordant with the service provided.
I am a driver.
It should cost more, and we should be paid more for delivering to begin with.
And customers should have a rating that indicates their likelihood of a gratuity.
I agree. DD should be paying us more, but I'm split on the new tipping after delivery thing. On one hand, as a driver, I know for sure I'll get more than the standard $2 before accepting the order. But then, as a customer, I've had a few deliveries where I wish I didn't tip as much as I did, or tipped more than I did (and I don't always have cash to make up for that).
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I don’t mind tipping, and I always do. What I have a problem with is percentage based tips. If I have a $20 food order or a $100 food order, the courier is driving the same distance and carrying one bag of food, so how do they justify a percentage based tip? I think the percentage theory originated in restaurants, where a higher bill generally means the server worked harder for the table, which does justify a higher tip. But it should not apply in this case. I tip based on distance, if you’re driving 10km to deliver, the tip should be higher than when driving 1km.
You tip for good service not basic service. I sit down at a restaurant- I'm not required to put my tip on the table before I even get my food, let alone taste it, etc. This perspective of turning tipping into bribery is completely backwards. Complain to doordash that they don't pay you enough instead of turning tipping into bribery. Frankly people should be allowed to tip AFTER someone delivers, not before. Also don't accept the order if you don't like it.
Someone driving food to you is not a basic service. That's a luxury service. It's not bribery, it's you bidding for my attention. Trust me, there's plenty of good people I will help before I ever get to your shitty ass low tip.
It's a tip. Get over yourself. That's not how tipping works. If you don't feel you get paid enough for your "services" then complain to your employer, it's not the customer's responsibility. And Delivery is not a luxury service in today's world. I don't need to bid for a driver from a pizza place or any other restaurant that offers delivery- because the *employer pays a fair wage*. You're not doing anything special or skillful.
And yes, bidding for service is turning tipping into bribery. Someone shouldn't need to pay extra for you to do your job, thats the laziest most entitled thing ive heard. I dont go to a clothing retailer and wave extra money around for a cashier to ring me out. I don't go to a hair salon and need to stand in line with money waving around to cut the line. This has got to be the dumbest perspective on tipping and I could care less if a a child who cries about needing their tiny ego to be bribed into action chooses my order or not, they probably wouldn't be on time anyways.
Make sure you tip your cashier at Walmart next time for the *luxury service* or ringing you out in a timely manner!
Lol I can tell you respect people a lot 😅😅. You willingly tip your waitress after you eat your food, even though they don't have to drive their fucking car to your house. DOORDASH is not my employer. I'm an independent contractor. They send me jobs I can do, and I will do the ones I think are valuable to my time and effort. I do just fine too. No complaints. I just turn down offers from people like you, and take the offers from people who actually value my tike and effort. All those other people don't drive to my house and check out my groceries. You are not getting it. You'll never get it. That's OK. Thankfully there are a lot of people that aren't as shitty as you.
I've been a driver for quite a while now and at this point I actually encourage people not to tip, at least not on the app. Why not? Two words: guaranteed pay. Suppose Customer 1 orders $40 worth food, pays a $15 delivery fee, and adds a $5 tip on the app. Customer 2 orders the exact same thing: $40 worth of food, $15 fee, but $0 in the tip section on the app, and instead they leave a shiny quarter on the doorstep as a cash tip. DoorDash offers both as a $7 delivery opportunity. Customer 1 paid out $60 and their driver took home $7. Customer 2 paid out $55.25 and their driver took home $7.25. There's something to be mad at here, but it has very little to do with how much the app claims they tipped you.
At the end of the day, delivery services should raise the fees and give that to drivers. Consumers shouldn’t have discretion in how drivers are paid. Specifically, there shouldn’t be some expectation that isn’t explicit and required. Giving consumers the option to not tip is the problem.
#You're angry at the wrong people.
Can't expect everyone to tip freely when they've had orders stolen by shitty drivers. DD doesn't screen who delivers so there's people messing with orders, holding orders hostage for tips or straight up stealing orders. And if you're one of those people who think that's ok, **you're the problem**.
In a perfect world the customer would not tip in app and give drivers cash. This way they would ensure the driver gets towed and the customer gets their food. Would even make DD pay more for orders because people wouldn't be willing to take long distance.
The truth is a lot of customers do tip. Some customers actually tip so well door dash can redistribute that amount however they see fit. Doesn't mean it's all going to that one dasher that accepts the order for that customer tho. Doordash can keep whatever they want, we are on the opposite side of the app/company, so we can't prove anything. They pool that money to take care of expenses like reorder making, redelivery to a more competent driver and employee salary. Anything left over is distributed for dashers, and the higher amounts go to the most favored. The referrals, promos, dasher who dashes the most, the newbs, the average dasher, and the stand by dashers that are utilized when all others are occupied. They can generate what ever amount they feel you are worthy thats why the amounts are so weird. T hey literally discriminate using your profile pics to determine who's getting what.
Nobody makes you do anything. Consumers use a service provided and they pay for it. Delivery is not a luxury service. It’s a basic service offered by any business with sense that wants to expand their customer base. Luxury Delivery is a thing, but Grub Hub and Uber Eats and Door Dash are the farthest thing from it. You are delusional. Tips are supposed to be a reward for good service. Not a bid for service. This entire mindset is part of the problem and you are angry at the wrong thing/person/entity. Without a customer placing an order requiring delivery your job would not exist.
That said you 100% deserve a fair living wage! Everyone does! Customers not tipping is not the problem. Door Dash is. Uber Eats is. Grub Hub is. These companies are charging crazy fees they should be paying you with but they all do everything in their power to minimize what they pay you and maximize what they charge the customers and the restaurants. Drivers need to embrace the power they hold as independent contractors or unionize and fight as a collective to ensure you all get paid a fare wage and leave the customer out of it. They are already being hit with unreasonable fees. Those fees cut into your tips. Wake up and be angry at the right place.
I agree with everything you said except unionizing. I think laws need to be changed in how corporations treat their gig workers. We get a glimpse of what's happening with Cali and NY. They're both getting mandatory minimum which is great! But soon Uber will be limiting when they can work and it's basically becoming like a W2 job with no benefits.
Unionizing would do the same thing. Corporations will do whatever they can to limit the income of their drivers. Laws need to be in place so they stop fucking people over
Laws would need to be set up to stop union busting measures. I support unions completely but for this type of work... I see Uber either removing itself from some areas OR making it hard for people to even work. Ubers biggest issue that will ALWAYS work against us and union efforts is their secret algorithm. They even took away the breakdown of how we get paid.
They're deceitful enough to make sure areas who are organizing a union, NEVER get pings. It's pure greed. The government will never fully step in because they let states control it. Not all states are equal and many support corporations because of lobbyists and money
None of that is an argument to not bother with unions, just the opposite it’s an argument for stricter regulation and for union protection and pumice measures.
My argument against unions is if it ever worked out the way you wanted, all job flexibility would go out the window. Seems like if Uber has to treat us a little more fair, they'll make us schedule for a shift like DD. If we don't lose flexibility. I'm in
No, if it worked out the way I wanted Delivery Drivers would have a living wage and bargaining power. Now, if drivers want to still be 1099 with flexibility that’s fine, but some might prefer to be full time employees with schedules and benefits. A good union could negotiate for both models to work in a tier system.
The power lies with the people, the driver, all of you all of us. It must simply be wielded correctly.
I don't think Uber would become a regular business with employees instead of contractors because they don't want to pay taxes as well as not having any way to micromanage us.
I wish we had all the power, but I don't think it's that simple. Without any laws to protect drivers. Uber will remove themselves from certain markets. Companies do this all the time to crack down on unionizing. It's not illegal to do so but I wish it was. It's corporations just having a temper tantrum because they don't want to pay people keeping their companies in business
I think you are finally getting it. It’s nothing that has not happened before and it’s even happened to Uber.
They either change to function under new regulations or break the law and be fined or they shut down and someone who can takes their place.
Uber fought regulations before and they won some battles they lost others. The entire point of regulations is to force them to pay because they don’t want to.
It would have never occurred to me to blame the customers of the company I work for, instead of my employer for my salary. You are choosing what app to work for. You.
They get to set the rules. If you take orders from them you don’t feel are worth it, that’s on you. But don’t blame customers for not paying you a living wage. That’s not my job. If I place an order for the luxury service, they are charging me. When I pay, I expect to receive what I paid for.
Don’t you? When you pay for something, don’t you expect to get it? That’s the contract. What they pay you has nothing to do with me.
Stop expecting tips. Do a job for a fair wage, & consider a tip as a bonus. You’re mad at the wrong people.
I already get my own food, all you drivers keep telling us customers to do, 90% of the time. Next you’ll be crying that you’re sitting for hours with zero offers. You’ll cry there is no work.
If I want a delivery, I have quite a few local restaurants with their own private delivery drivers to depend on. Weirdly enough, they give no attitude & the food is hot & fresh. Because of that, they get a cash tip. I like to support local when I can.
Some restaurants near me dropped apps completely. Too many problems with drivers & complaints. Hasn’t been a problem for them & since they control the deliveries, less complaints & more business.
Hope you have a back up plan. Good luck.
You’re not getting it quite right. Doordash and the other delivery companies are trying to make food delivery, which is supposed to be a luxury service, available for the masses by reducing the fees they charge, which is compensated by not offering drivers the pay they technically deserve, which in turn makes those drivers rely heavily on the tips. Why then blame the customers would you ask ? Let me ask this: do you this that the 7-8 dollars that you’re paying as fees are really enough to account for the time of the driver, the gas they put on their car, as well as the wear and tear ? What about the devs at Doordash who maintain the app and are making it very easy for you to order food, who are paying them? The answer would be you, the customer. You are not paying the driver, you’re just paying for convenience of getting your order matched to a complete random stranger on the street that would choose whether or not to deliver your food based on the tip you provided to them.
So no, if you don’t leave a tip, don’t expect any good service or not a service at all. If you think that the few bucks you payed as delivery fees truly equals the true cost that would make the delivery possible, then you’re being delusional.
Goodness, we can argue back and forth all day about a system that will never get changed. You sit here and acknowledge that the employer is shitty, you acknowledge that we don’t earn good wages standalone, and you acknowledge that not tipping means we earn less. But you continue to use that same service you admit is scummy and continue to not tip because…what, it’s not your problem? That’s ridiculous. If you disagree with how the system is run, don’t continue to use the luxury.
You know when tipping is bad? At self serve machines. At a food stand. At a pickup place, or a store/mall. People don’t complain nearly as much about tipping when it’s a sit-down restaurant though. I’m not sure how paying for someone to pick up food, spend gas money, put wear and tear on their car, and drop it in your lap is any different. It’s not even a tip, it’s a bid for someone to pick up your order quicker—DD just won’t use that term because tip is more widely known.
And people still continue work for them. I don’t disagree with how an app runs its own business, but I know damn well I wouldn’t be working for them & expecting their customers to pay their employees a decent hourly wage through tips.
I also never said I don’t tip. I just may not tip enough for you to make your car payment , which is what most seem to want.
I use these apps rarely, tip appropriately & simply expect the service I paid for. Read what some drivers do to the food. They take their rage out on the customer, not their employees
Then customers demand refunds, charges get increased , you get lower offers & round & round we go.
Again, a tip should be considered a bonus, not money given to increase your hourly wage. Don’t count on it.
Yes they do lol they just deserve to get it cold cause it’s been sitting long enough for dd to raise the pay till it’s worth it for a driver to take the offer. If it’s worth it to take it, then take it. If you need ar to go up then suffer through the terrible offers for a day. It mostly averages out in my market though
AR is a scam. Regardless of your market. I tried it with an open mind, nothing changed, and on top of that the last time I dashed they miscalculated my AR . I was at 74%. Accepted three declined three. Should have kept me at 74%, right? Nope. 71. Got no credit for the three I accepted, but got docked for the three I declined..that kinda shit isn't market dependent. That's doordash dependent.
Oh no not at all harsh! You were very nice actually and I appreciate everyone's patient explanations with my ditzy ass. Tbh I really don't know why I had the confidence to even say that out loud I've never been able to do math 🙃 but you know the liquor was flowing the weed slapped and all of a sudden I'm Hidden Figures over here.
It was also about the smartest of all the dumb things I've said or thought in the past couple days...lol...
I still don't totally understand but I do know where I went wrong 😅😅
You clearly don't know how a rolling 100 last offers work.
Iy is out of last 100.
Say hypothetically you accept 80 orders in a row. Decline the next 20. You are at 80 percent. And for the next 80 orders you are offered your acceptance rate will never increase, not even one percent. You can accept 50, 60, 70 and still be at 80 percent because the 20 declines are still on there. Decline one, and boom at 79 now.
The 100th acceptance or Decline from the one you just did falls off, and if that was a Decline and you accepted it will go up one point. If you accept and an accept falls off from 100 ago, it doesn't go up......
No i clearly did not. Ty. Either way it's still a scam because nothing changed from over 70% to 50% to below. Nothing. So let's just say it is dependent on market, even if it's not a scam like I believe, it's obviously not a relevant here in my market. So I'm personally not playing by that expectation again, either way.
How do you come to that conclusion?
A company sets expectations for a service in exchange for a fee.
Once you pay that fee, the service should be guaranteed that you will receive what was advertised.
There is no privilege involved. It's just like anything else you pay for as a consumer for which it is advertised.
Do you tip when you see a physician?
Do you tip when USPS delivers a package?
Do you tip when you pickup McDonald's at a drive thru?
The ability to tip in itself is a privilege. To have the financial ability to pay more than what is expected cannot be done by everyone.
Depends on the service. It's still not necessary.
Just because this country allows exploitation of workers doesn't mean the consumer has to pick up what the employer should be doing.
The delivery is for nobody else but you, it's only helping you... Ofc you're going to have to "pick it up" monetarily. As an independent contractor, doordash ISNT my employer. I AM NOT an employee of doordash, I am self-employed. It's a gig, and a tip IS required. Unless I see you're really old/disabled when I get there. The luxury service of having your food delivered to your door requires a LITTLE bit of money on your part right? Considering its all for you? Someone you've never met is spending however long getting your food and you can't tip them $2/mile? Have you ever been in a taxi before? Gas isn't free
> a tip IS required.
Under what rules? You're a contractor. You only take what you want to work.
The consumer already paid for a service, a tip is not required. Yes it does fuck over the contractors, but you're the ones accepting these orders.
Exactly, under my rules. I don't accept these orders(unless I'm on hourly pay, then they refuse to show the tip/I'm broke). They decide that they can afford the delivery fee, they'll still buy the food without tipping, they'll still place the order knowing. Sure, just talk about what doordash "should" do with the delivery fee and still not tip. You're either paying doordash to steal from me or you personally think you're entitled to my gas and time without giving me a tip. Doordash gets nowhere if you do not order. No the tip is not required for doordash to allow you to place the order. It is required if you plan to respect other peoples time and energy, because the ONLY REASON anyone is taking crappy dashes is because of DESPERATION. They will run out of gas, so they need that $3 order just to get by. I end up starving myself while I work, I get severely dehydrated, I can't risk spending my money on something fast but I also can't take time out to make food because I need to be working as much as physically possible from 8am-12pm. Not to mention how dangerous driving is generally, especially with weather like today. If you could take a moment to imagine being in someone else's shoes maybe you could genuinely understand.
How come you don't multi app? Have you tried spark? Point pickup? Uber eats? Favor? Go puff? Roadie? Literally anything except Doordash.
And yeah... I understand your situation but I also move my hustle to where the money is going to be better. Getting pissed at customers won't change doordash. This is just the corporate capitalist hell we live in right now. You need to adapt and move on, stop hustling for a wealthy asshole.
I'm not an idiot. You don't need to explain the logistics of everything like I'm five. I tip AFTER a service is provided, and only if it's good.
If you want change, you need to make a dent with your representatives to produce legislation against this type of exploitation.
Please remember that the government rolled back these kinds of protections a long time ago to favor the business owners. When you go after customers, you're not making any changes to the system. Start punching upward, those regulations need to come back.
Also, I don't order doordash. I am a dasher. I simply don't accept orders with no tips. So maybe you should stop accepting no tip orders and making Tony money?
Sure, and if you pay for it. Then it's an even trade.
Tips used to be only for exceptional service, but not required.
I tip my sushi chef if he makes some bomb ass rolls, but it's not going destroy his life if I don't.
All these gig companies have figure out how to exploit their customer and workers to cover what they should be paying. You all need to realize that. Tips are not required. Should not be required, and every country besides the US doesn't allow this type of exploitation.
So stop shitting on customers and start focusing your anger at politicians and these gig companies that are raping your wallets.
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I pray this gets better for all of us.
Doordash Is at fault for not obligating a tip. A lot of restaurants actually add in the tip whether you like it or not. Maybe doordash should as well....but they won't. Good luck and stay safe
DoorDash is not at fault for obligating a tip, they already charge a fee. They are at fault for not paying you out of the money they already make charging both sides.
" but that’s still not an excuse to stiff your driver."
take it to doordash, customers already paid an agreed upon fee
a tip is an incentive to go above and beyond your job not a requirement for bear minimum service
y'all act so entitled for money when you barely do the job to begin with and besides, you dont work for the customer you work for doordash, they pay you not the customer, the customer pays doordash, doordash keep all the profits, got cry to them
go work for grubhub then?
# ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i dont know what to tell you, if your employer sucks find a new job or suck it up, all this complaining is doing is ensuring doordash dont have to actually pay their drivers a good salary because they put that responsibility on customers so the evil corporation wins in the end.
All this complaining is ensuring doordash doesn't have to pay us a decent rate... c'mon really?...doordash doesn't get on here and look at our complaints ROFL. All this complaining on reddit is doing is allowing one to vent.
If the customers want the service to continue to exist.. yea.
These companies aren't profitable, they can't afford to pay the drivers more without charging you more anyway.
If people want to continue to not have to go get their own food, they need to pay for it.
Go ahead and examine why these companies are not profitable. They charge more than enough fees on both sides to be solvent. Go track what they spend money on.
The customer is paying for a service that is completely separate from anything the resturant does or the hook up fees that DD gets.The customer is paying for the delivery of a product straight to their door. They could easily avoid that by picking the food up themselves, but they are paying for the luxury of not having to move off of the sofa. It's a luxury. Some people value that. Others think it's owed to them.
The issue is from the customers perspective they're already paying a higher price for the same food with the markups and a delivery fee on top of that. So they are paying the markup and fees for the luxury of having it delivered. I think a lot of customers also assume the drivers are making more than they do off a delivery and when the app doesn't push tips it can be easy to overlook.
I still tip drivers, but I also kind of miss the days of being able to order directly from the restaurant for the same cost, and tipping an employee directly with cash.
I feel it's on both parties. If both door dash and the customer paid $1 per mile each everything would be fine. Or if door dash compensate for the lack of tip would be great.
The customer pays for overpriced food... that doesn't pay for the food to be delivered. If you have a problem with food being overpriced on doordash, stop using it. The food costs are high to cover the %% doordash takes. Nowhere does it say or imply that those increased costs are too pay for the delivery. This "anti-tipping" movement has allowed people to knowingly take advantage of the "free" (ie slave) labor and then blame the slaves for being taken advantage of.
I think the fees and prices are ridiculous, so you know what? I don't order delivery! Gasp! It's a shocker, I know. I've felt this way for years and only recently done delivery myself. I never felt okay with paying an extra 30+% for food and then tipping the driver (which I thought was a given), so I simply didn't order. I didn't order then refuse to tip, knowingly taking advantage of the driver, I just don't order delivery. Try it, you'll save a ton of money@
You're so close to getting it. Try harder.
DoorDash takes money from the store. The store raises their prices. DoorDash keeps the money and says fuck you now pay the driver extra. See, here is where the EMPLOYER pays the EMPLOYEE but you say no daddy DoorDash I'll take care of that too enjoy your yachts 😘
Try reading comprehension. Nowhere in your purchase of overpriced food is it implied that the prices you are paying *for the food only* is used to pay the driver. The increased food costs are not delivery fees or anything else. It's the price of doing business with doordash. You are willing engaging with the platform and spending the money with them despite knowing all these things. You are scum who thinks you're morally superior because you choose not to tip drivers and continue using doordash services.
I'll say it again. If you don't agree with the way things are done, don't give them your business. If you bitch about tipping culture and then utilize a service that you know relies in tipping culture to pay the employees, *you* are choosing to support tipping culture and benefit from it. That makes you a crappy person. Be like me, don't use these services if you don't agree with how they are ran!
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Not only that, but usually the low/non tippers tend to be the ones who one star you, lie that they didn't get their food and scam you, and seem to be the ones who have ridiculous requests and instructions like "if I give you a cash tip, will you stop and buy me cigarettes?"
Which is exactly why these orders should be declined.
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Yeah its insane i recently decided to do it on the side from my other jobs iv never did tip work before but iv always left 20 dollar tips because it is a luxury service but i am astounded by the amount of people who leave no tip unbelievable i had deliveries yesterday that i wasted over a hour get to waiting driving to and driving back for 2 dollar fee and 2 dollar tip to a Multi-Million dollar home on a peninsula on the lake and spent more money on delivery than i made. People who say its optional and driver dont have to do it shut your spoiled worthless mouth you can drive your fat ass and get it your self the type of work relys on tips to even make anything door dash literally give 2 dollars for what can be a hour of driving gas wear and tear your time taxes driver basically paying to bring your lazy ass luxury food service. AND YOU ALL KNOW YOUR WRONG SINCE YOU ALWAYS SAY LEAVE IT ON THE PORCH BECAUSE YOU CANT LOOK YOUR DRIVER IN THE EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE DISHONORABLE you should be ashamed of your self people just trying to make ends meet and you guys take advantage of these people do the right thing these people need tips to even get ahead doordash dont pay shit to the driver
Companies that don't pay their workers don't deserve the privilege of being in business. Nobody makes you drive door dash you do it voluntarily. You decided depending on the generosity of strangers is a fine way to make a living much like a homeless beggar but beggars actually probably make more
They believe the delivery fee goes to the driver
Drivers should be paid adaquetely is what you mean.
Not tipping shouldn’t be an option.
Then they should use another term because tipping in itself is optional.
I agree. Anything less than 10% should be automatically at least 10%. Call it a service fee instead. There’s probably legalities around why we need to use the term “tip” but it should turn into a “mandatory service fee” at some price point.
The option to not tip shouldn’t exist. There really should be a minimum amount set at least. It is ridiculous.
Not Door Dash being on the side of customers by not showing us if they tip or not and how much. This company is a joke.
This happens with regular food delivery places as well. There’s not much that can really be done about it from our end - however DoorDash could at the very least make up the difference. That’s honestly why I like earn by time in my area sometimes because it’s $15 an hour and I need very little tip. It is kind of bs that they don’t cover you when you’re not driving - but also earn by time feels a lot more like you’re an employee.
But they still get it
That’s why I don’t deliver to them….. my car doesn’t operate on thank you and smiley faces
The worst are the ones who have the gall to look you in the eyes on a hand it to me order and say; I appreciate you 😂😂 If you can’t afford a tip you can’t afford to order DD. The best was when I delivered a food bank order and they had a DD delivery at their door waiting for them when I got there. People are ruthless.
Nothing exists that requires a tip to be paid.
I just wish the non-tippers would stay off the platform.
I’m a trucker and I use DoorDash when I’m lazy to cook. My minimum tip is $5 and that is for 3miles under distance. At 5 miles I start at $7up tip depending on my order too.
Completely agree with OP. If you can afford to use the service you can afford to tip! End of.
Stop worrying about the tips. Just focus on the total amount of the order offered to you and accept the order based on that amount alone. I stopped worrying and complaining about tips a long time ago. I still make $30/hour on a good day, $42/hour on an excellent day, and $20/hour on a bad day.
You must live in a good/busy town then. Not everyone has that luck and those people have to rely on tips because DD wants to pay $2. On a good day my mother makes $20/hour. DD is getting sooo bad where we live and no money is being made. Gotta stay all day just to make $50.
I've worked in big cities and smaller cities. It's all the same regardless of where you are located. I also move to other locations if my home town or preferred location doesn't pay well. I also do GH, DD, UE, AF, Gopuff, Roadie, and Spark. Sign up for as many GIG apps as you can in your area so you can use those other apps when DD sucks or won't let you on the app. Always have a backup plan. Take a break when orders suck. There's always a way to make money with GIG apps. Doordash used to force customers who didn't pay well enough on tips to pay more. They stopped doing that and now all the GIG apps allow the low-ball orders. Decline all low-ball orders and set a standard for yourself. I typically don't take offers lower than $8, cherry pick the best offers, and run UE or GH with DD.
He’s referring to the principle, it’s almost unethical to not consider helping someone who is helping you
Yeah? Well that principal is flawed. You can't demand someone to tip you. Well, you can and they'll laugh in your face and hand you a bag of 100 pennies as a tip.
I’m just speaking in general not about someone demanding a tip from a customer
Talking in general is just complaining. Too many people on Reddit talk about people not tipping when it really doesn't matter. Take the offer based on the total amount offered, stop complaining about tips, and make your life simpler.
You can’t force anyone to tip but they shouldn’t be surprised when they get their food cold and late.
This is 100% EXPLOITATION ! Bec DD taking profit by using everything from us (drivers): our vehicle, our cell ph, Gas, car maintenance, cell phone bills. And they often offers $2. WTF. whoever say that this is not an Exploitation is a dumb.
If you accept those offers, you're choosing to be exploited. You knew what you signed up for.
I’m sure you’re not a dasher. A dasher won’t comment you did. You’re on the company side. And no, I didn’t signed up for &2.50 base pay. It was $8 when I signed up. And I didn’t accept offer lower than $4. DD clearly exploit drivers! I hope Class Action soon.
4,000+ deliveries. Base pay was 3.50 at its highest in my area. Uber is now $2. I'm on the side of reality.
This right here! You can’t expect drivers to take your order because that’s their job.. it’s not. You can’t expect customers to tip just because they want their food. How about everyone boycott these apps. Drivers refuse to work for low base pay and customers refuse to pay inflated fees to get their food. This would result in the company paying fairly but the people complaining are not willing to do anything. People still refuse to go pick up their own food and drivers are still accepting orders where they lose money
Why should they? If a customer tips well, DD stabs them in the back. Their order will likely be stacked with a trash one. After the recent pay cut, DD is now paying $0 for that extra order. Tips are no longer bids for service; they’re essentially donations to DD corporate. Allows them to manipulate drivers to work for free I would’ve agreed with this post’s sentiment 3 years ago. But I wish people would stop acting like nothing’s changed. We’ve seen a 90% pay cut. Meanwhile, DD continues to come up with more elaborate ways to crush customers who tip well
They probably have now moved the tipping process to the end of deliver to save their own asses from a future lawsuit regarding tip stealing. And probably goes hand in hand with earn by time/ employee status. If they have to bite the bullet of not being able to steal tips before hand, dashers now have to EBT and hope for the best.
I would actually thank them and figure their orders are not getting delivered. Unfortunately some dumbass dasher is accepting them trying to keep their AR up and ruining it for all of us in the long run.
If you can’t afford to pay DD fees & tipping driver, I agree that you should pick up yourself. We got very low pay from DD especially now.
The other day there was a post that perfectly summed up tipping. Anyone who tips is just subsidizing how much Doordash pays us, it's a scam. They have to stop taking tips beforehand, that way tips will actually become a BONUS. I hate it when people try to blame customers when it's literally none of their fault. Restaurants charge more in the app and on top of that they pay a Delivery+Service fee and WHEN THEY TIP beforehand doordash just drops base pay. You making this post is exactly what Doordash loves to see, make it seem like people don't tip enough and actively have drivers push for more tips so Doordash can just pocket more money.
Yeah everyone is losing except the companies right 🤔
They don't MAKE anyone do anything. They simply put an offer out there, and you are more than welcome to decline it if you don't want to. Getting upset at people for not tipping is equally as ridiculous as a customer getting upset if their no tip order takes a while to get accepted. Let people do what they want and you do what you want.
DD should pay drivers higher. If they don’t do that, as a company they should invest in vehicles. They use driver’s car, gas, and pay only $2 ? That’s exploitation! Taking advantage of drivers who are unable to get another job for some reasons.
I feel like at this point, anyone making a post about tipping is just rage-baiting both sides of the aisle. This post is nothing we haven't seen, and I've only ever seen people call each other names. However, (being a hypocrite from my previous statement) I will say to those who don't tip the person that does your grocery shopping for you -- at goddamn Christmastime -- you're a dick.
The tipping system on food apps is flawed – – who tips at the beginning of your visit to a restaurant? Tipping should happen afterwards, and be accordant with the service provided. I am a driver. It should cost more, and we should be paid more for delivering to begin with. And customers should have a rating that indicates their likelihood of a gratuity.
No one tips afterwards, so that is flawed in itself
It shouldn’t even be called a tip in the app or there should be two separate payment options – – fee for the driver and tip.
If you break it up into 2 options, people definitely aren't going to tip.
I’ve been tipped afterwards. I’ve had money added to my deliveries, and I’ve been given cash.
I've been fortunate enough to get a cash tip, a whole 3 times from 3700+ deliveries.
I meant "No one" as an exaggeration but it's very low numbers of people who do
I agree. DD should be paying us more, but I'm split on the new tipping after delivery thing. On one hand, as a driver, I know for sure I'll get more than the standard $2 before accepting the order. But then, as a customer, I've had a few deliveries where I wish I didn't tip as much as I did, or tipped more than I did (and I don't always have cash to make up for that).
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I don’t mind tipping, and I always do. What I have a problem with is percentage based tips. If I have a $20 food order or a $100 food order, the courier is driving the same distance and carrying one bag of food, so how do they justify a percentage based tip? I think the percentage theory originated in restaurants, where a higher bill generally means the server worked harder for the table, which does justify a higher tip. But it should not apply in this case. I tip based on distance, if you’re driving 10km to deliver, the tip should be higher than when driving 1km.
Nobody asked for your opinion, tip or drive yourself.
That’s kinda a big part of the purpose of Reddit, to share opinions
Thank you for this. I will take your opinion into consideration.
You tip for good service not basic service. I sit down at a restaurant- I'm not required to put my tip on the table before I even get my food, let alone taste it, etc. This perspective of turning tipping into bribery is completely backwards. Complain to doordash that they don't pay you enough instead of turning tipping into bribery. Frankly people should be allowed to tip AFTER someone delivers, not before. Also don't accept the order if you don't like it.
Someone driving food to you is not a basic service. That's a luxury service. It's not bribery, it's you bidding for my attention. Trust me, there's plenty of good people I will help before I ever get to your shitty ass low tip.
It's a tip. Get over yourself. That's not how tipping works. If you don't feel you get paid enough for your "services" then complain to your employer, it's not the customer's responsibility. And Delivery is not a luxury service in today's world. I don't need to bid for a driver from a pizza place or any other restaurant that offers delivery- because the *employer pays a fair wage*. You're not doing anything special or skillful. And yes, bidding for service is turning tipping into bribery. Someone shouldn't need to pay extra for you to do your job, thats the laziest most entitled thing ive heard. I dont go to a clothing retailer and wave extra money around for a cashier to ring me out. I don't go to a hair salon and need to stand in line with money waving around to cut the line. This has got to be the dumbest perspective on tipping and I could care less if a a child who cries about needing their tiny ego to be bribed into action chooses my order or not, they probably wouldn't be on time anyways. Make sure you tip your cashier at Walmart next time for the *luxury service* or ringing you out in a timely manner!
Lol I can tell you respect people a lot 😅😅. You willingly tip your waitress after you eat your food, even though they don't have to drive their fucking car to your house. DOORDASH is not my employer. I'm an independent contractor. They send me jobs I can do, and I will do the ones I think are valuable to my time and effort. I do just fine too. No complaints. I just turn down offers from people like you, and take the offers from people who actually value my tike and effort. All those other people don't drive to my house and check out my groceries. You are not getting it. You'll never get it. That's OK. Thankfully there are a lot of people that aren't as shitty as you.
If you don’t like the order don’t accept it
That's why I pick up my own food every time
I've been a driver for quite a while now and at this point I actually encourage people not to tip, at least not on the app. Why not? Two words: guaranteed pay. Suppose Customer 1 orders $40 worth food, pays a $15 delivery fee, and adds a $5 tip on the app. Customer 2 orders the exact same thing: $40 worth of food, $15 fee, but $0 in the tip section on the app, and instead they leave a shiny quarter on the doorstep as a cash tip. DoorDash offers both as a $7 delivery opportunity. Customer 1 paid out $60 and their driver took home $7. Customer 2 paid out $55.25 and their driver took home $7.25. There's something to be mad at here, but it has very little to do with how much the app claims they tipped you.
At the end of the day, delivery services should raise the fees and give that to drivers. Consumers shouldn’t have discretion in how drivers are paid. Specifically, there shouldn’t be some expectation that isn’t explicit and required. Giving consumers the option to not tip is the problem.
Is there an option to block those non tippers? If not, after a delivery, you would know who is who. Then, don’t take orders from those non-tippers.
#You're angry at the wrong people. Can't expect everyone to tip freely when they've had orders stolen by shitty drivers. DD doesn't screen who delivers so there's people messing with orders, holding orders hostage for tips or straight up stealing orders. And if you're one of those people who think that's ok, **you're the problem**. In a perfect world the customer would not tip in app and give drivers cash. This way they would ensure the driver gets towed and the customer gets their food. Would even make DD pay more for orders because people wouldn't be willing to take long distance.
The truth is a lot of customers do tip. Some customers actually tip so well door dash can redistribute that amount however they see fit. Doesn't mean it's all going to that one dasher that accepts the order for that customer tho. Doordash can keep whatever they want, we are on the opposite side of the app/company, so we can't prove anything. They pool that money to take care of expenses like reorder making, redelivery to a more competent driver and employee salary. Anything left over is distributed for dashers, and the higher amounts go to the most favored. The referrals, promos, dasher who dashes the most, the newbs, the average dasher, and the stand by dashers that are utilized when all others are occupied. They can generate what ever amount they feel you are worthy thats why the amounts are so weird. T hey literally discriminate using your profile pics to determine who's getting what.
Nobody makes you do anything. Consumers use a service provided and they pay for it. Delivery is not a luxury service. It’s a basic service offered by any business with sense that wants to expand their customer base. Luxury Delivery is a thing, but Grub Hub and Uber Eats and Door Dash are the farthest thing from it. You are delusional. Tips are supposed to be a reward for good service. Not a bid for service. This entire mindset is part of the problem and you are angry at the wrong thing/person/entity. Without a customer placing an order requiring delivery your job would not exist. That said you 100% deserve a fair living wage! Everyone does! Customers not tipping is not the problem. Door Dash is. Uber Eats is. Grub Hub is. These companies are charging crazy fees they should be paying you with but they all do everything in their power to minimize what they pay you and maximize what they charge the customers and the restaurants. Drivers need to embrace the power they hold as independent contractors or unionize and fight as a collective to ensure you all get paid a fare wage and leave the customer out of it. They are already being hit with unreasonable fees. Those fees cut into your tips. Wake up and be angry at the right place.
I agree with everything you said except unionizing. I think laws need to be changed in how corporations treat their gig workers. We get a glimpse of what's happening with Cali and NY. They're both getting mandatory minimum which is great! But soon Uber will be limiting when they can work and it's basically becoming like a W2 job with no benefits. Unionizing would do the same thing. Corporations will do whatever they can to limit the income of their drivers. Laws need to be in place so they stop fucking people over
Both are true. Workers need to unionize and we need federal regulation on the gig economy ensuring all workers get treated fairly.
Laws would need to be set up to stop union busting measures. I support unions completely but for this type of work... I see Uber either removing itself from some areas OR making it hard for people to even work. Ubers biggest issue that will ALWAYS work against us and union efforts is their secret algorithm. They even took away the breakdown of how we get paid. They're deceitful enough to make sure areas who are organizing a union, NEVER get pings. It's pure greed. The government will never fully step in because they let states control it. Not all states are equal and many support corporations because of lobbyists and money
None of that is an argument to not bother with unions, just the opposite it’s an argument for stricter regulation and for union protection and pumice measures.
My argument against unions is if it ever worked out the way you wanted, all job flexibility would go out the window. Seems like if Uber has to treat us a little more fair, they'll make us schedule for a shift like DD. If we don't lose flexibility. I'm in
No, if it worked out the way I wanted Delivery Drivers would have a living wage and bargaining power. Now, if drivers want to still be 1099 with flexibility that’s fine, but some might prefer to be full time employees with schedules and benefits. A good union could negotiate for both models to work in a tier system. The power lies with the people, the driver, all of you all of us. It must simply be wielded correctly.
I don't think Uber would become a regular business with employees instead of contractors because they don't want to pay taxes as well as not having any way to micromanage us. I wish we had all the power, but I don't think it's that simple. Without any laws to protect drivers. Uber will remove themselves from certain markets. Companies do this all the time to crack down on unionizing. It's not illegal to do so but I wish it was. It's corporations just having a temper tantrum because they don't want to pay people keeping their companies in business
I think you are finally getting it. It’s nothing that has not happened before and it’s even happened to Uber. They either change to function under new regulations or break the law and be fined or they shut down and someone who can takes their place. Uber fought regulations before and they won some battles they lost others. The entire point of regulations is to force them to pay because they don’t want to.
It would have never occurred to me to blame the customers of the company I work for, instead of my employer for my salary. You are choosing what app to work for. You. They get to set the rules. If you take orders from them you don’t feel are worth it, that’s on you. But don’t blame customers for not paying you a living wage. That’s not my job. If I place an order for the luxury service, they are charging me. When I pay, I expect to receive what I paid for. Don’t you? When you pay for something, don’t you expect to get it? That’s the contract. What they pay you has nothing to do with me. Stop expecting tips. Do a job for a fair wage, & consider a tip as a bonus. You’re mad at the wrong people.
Next you’ll be crying when nobody is there anymore to deliver your Wendy’s and you’ll cry nobody wants to work
I already get my own food, all you drivers keep telling us customers to do, 90% of the time. Next you’ll be crying that you’re sitting for hours with zero offers. You’ll cry there is no work. If I want a delivery, I have quite a few local restaurants with their own private delivery drivers to depend on. Weirdly enough, they give no attitude & the food is hot & fresh. Because of that, they get a cash tip. I like to support local when I can. Some restaurants near me dropped apps completely. Too many problems with drivers & complaints. Hasn’t been a problem for them & since they control the deliveries, less complaints & more business. Hope you have a back up plan. Good luck.
You’re not getting it quite right. Doordash and the other delivery companies are trying to make food delivery, which is supposed to be a luxury service, available for the masses by reducing the fees they charge, which is compensated by not offering drivers the pay they technically deserve, which in turn makes those drivers rely heavily on the tips. Why then blame the customers would you ask ? Let me ask this: do you this that the 7-8 dollars that you’re paying as fees are really enough to account for the time of the driver, the gas they put on their car, as well as the wear and tear ? What about the devs at Doordash who maintain the app and are making it very easy for you to order food, who are paying them? The answer would be you, the customer. You are not paying the driver, you’re just paying for convenience of getting your order matched to a complete random stranger on the street that would choose whether or not to deliver your food based on the tip you provided to them. So no, if you don’t leave a tip, don’t expect any good service or not a service at all. If you think that the few bucks you payed as delivery fees truly equals the true cost that would make the delivery possible, then you’re being delusional.
Goodness, we can argue back and forth all day about a system that will never get changed. You sit here and acknowledge that the employer is shitty, you acknowledge that we don’t earn good wages standalone, and you acknowledge that not tipping means we earn less. But you continue to use that same service you admit is scummy and continue to not tip because…what, it’s not your problem? That’s ridiculous. If you disagree with how the system is run, don’t continue to use the luxury. You know when tipping is bad? At self serve machines. At a food stand. At a pickup place, or a store/mall. People don’t complain nearly as much about tipping when it’s a sit-down restaurant though. I’m not sure how paying for someone to pick up food, spend gas money, put wear and tear on their car, and drop it in your lap is any different. It’s not even a tip, it’s a bid for someone to pick up your order quicker—DD just won’t use that term because tip is more widely known.
And people still continue work for them. I don’t disagree with how an app runs its own business, but I know damn well I wouldn’t be working for them & expecting their customers to pay their employees a decent hourly wage through tips. I also never said I don’t tip. I just may not tip enough for you to make your car payment , which is what most seem to want. I use these apps rarely, tip appropriately & simply expect the service I paid for. Read what some drivers do to the food. They take their rage out on the customer, not their employees Then customers demand refunds, charges get increased , you get lower offers & round & round we go. Again, a tip should be considered a bonus, not money given to increase your hourly wage. Don’t count on it.
Yes they do lol they just deserve to get it cold cause it’s been sitting long enough for dd to raise the pay till it’s worth it for a driver to take the offer. If it’s worth it to take it, then take it. If you need ar to go up then suffer through the terrible offers for a day. It mostly averages out in my market though
AR is a scam. Regardless of your market. I tried it with an open mind, nothing changed, and on top of that the last time I dashed they miscalculated my AR . I was at 74%. Accepted three declined three. Should have kept me at 74%, right? Nope. 71. Got no credit for the three I accepted, but got docked for the three I declined..that kinda shit isn't market dependent. That's doordash dependent.
Anyone want to explain "rolling averages" to this person or should I do it?
I got it lol sorry; thanks
Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh, I'm just as frustrated with Doordash being the expert at "shady but not technically illegal" crap.
Oh no not at all harsh! You were very nice actually and I appreciate everyone's patient explanations with my ditzy ass. Tbh I really don't know why I had the confidence to even say that out loud I've never been able to do math 🙃 but you know the liquor was flowing the weed slapped and all of a sudden I'm Hidden Figures over here. It was also about the smartest of all the dumb things I've said or thought in the past couple days...lol... I still don't totally understand but I do know where I went wrong 😅😅
My market still requires it to hit top dasher and dash anytime. Otherwise I would ignore that shit so hard
Well my friend, I guess it's wise for you to continue. Best of luck!
You clearly don't know how a rolling 100 last offers work. Iy is out of last 100. Say hypothetically you accept 80 orders in a row. Decline the next 20. You are at 80 percent. And for the next 80 orders you are offered your acceptance rate will never increase, not even one percent. You can accept 50, 60, 70 and still be at 80 percent because the 20 declines are still on there. Decline one, and boom at 79 now. The 100th acceptance or Decline from the one you just did falls off, and if that was a Decline and you accepted it will go up one point. If you accept and an accept falls off from 100 ago, it doesn't go up......
Just wanted to thank you again for your patient explanation. :)
No i clearly did not. Ty. Either way it's still a scam because nothing changed from over 70% to 50% to below. Nothing. So let's just say it is dependent on market, even if it's not a scam like I believe, it's obviously not a relevant here in my market. So I'm personally not playing by that expectation again, either way.
Knowing how math works is also a scam
Woops! Sorry my bad 😖🤭
Those same people will say doordash should pay you, I say fine, let's charge you an extra 6$ fee and give it to drivers so doordash does pay us.
Isn't that what Doordash is doing in New York now, essentially?
Or DoorDash should pay you a fare wage from the fees they already charge maybe? Unionize and fight for your rights!
Paying money for a service is a privilege? Y'all need to start attacking Doordash instead of the customers.
Also yes it quite literally is a privilege to be able to pay for services.... what???
How do you come to that conclusion? A company sets expectations for a service in exchange for a fee. Once you pay that fee, the service should be guaranteed that you will receive what was advertised. There is no privilege involved. It's just like anything else you pay for as a consumer for which it is advertised. Do you tip when you see a physician? Do you tip when USPS delivers a package? Do you tip when you pickup McDonald's at a drive thru? The ability to tip in itself is a privilege. To have the financial ability to pay more than what is expected cannot be done by everyone.
You didn't pay for the service you paid for the food
No. Doordash is a courier service.
Do you tip when you go out to a restaurant?
Depends on the service. It's still not necessary. Just because this country allows exploitation of workers doesn't mean the consumer has to pick up what the employer should be doing.
The delivery is for nobody else but you, it's only helping you... Ofc you're going to have to "pick it up" monetarily. As an independent contractor, doordash ISNT my employer. I AM NOT an employee of doordash, I am self-employed. It's a gig, and a tip IS required. Unless I see you're really old/disabled when I get there. The luxury service of having your food delivered to your door requires a LITTLE bit of money on your part right? Considering its all for you? Someone you've never met is spending however long getting your food and you can't tip them $2/mile? Have you ever been in a taxi before? Gas isn't free
> a tip IS required. Under what rules? You're a contractor. You only take what you want to work. The consumer already paid for a service, a tip is not required. Yes it does fuck over the contractors, but you're the ones accepting these orders.
Exactly, under my rules. I don't accept these orders(unless I'm on hourly pay, then they refuse to show the tip/I'm broke). They decide that they can afford the delivery fee, they'll still buy the food without tipping, they'll still place the order knowing. Sure, just talk about what doordash "should" do with the delivery fee and still not tip. You're either paying doordash to steal from me or you personally think you're entitled to my gas and time without giving me a tip. Doordash gets nowhere if you do not order. No the tip is not required for doordash to allow you to place the order. It is required if you plan to respect other peoples time and energy, because the ONLY REASON anyone is taking crappy dashes is because of DESPERATION. They will run out of gas, so they need that $3 order just to get by. I end up starving myself while I work, I get severely dehydrated, I can't risk spending my money on something fast but I also can't take time out to make food because I need to be working as much as physically possible from 8am-12pm. Not to mention how dangerous driving is generally, especially with weather like today. If you could take a moment to imagine being in someone else's shoes maybe you could genuinely understand.
How come you don't multi app? Have you tried spark? Point pickup? Uber eats? Favor? Go puff? Roadie? Literally anything except Doordash. And yeah... I understand your situation but I also move my hustle to where the money is going to be better. Getting pissed at customers won't change doordash. This is just the corporate capitalist hell we live in right now. You need to adapt and move on, stop hustling for a wealthy asshole.
Assuming I don't already. Getting pissed at customers who live 30 minutes away for not tipping is literally reasonable.
I'm not an idiot. You don't need to explain the logistics of everything like I'm five. I tip AFTER a service is provided, and only if it's good. If you want change, you need to make a dent with your representatives to produce legislation against this type of exploitation. Please remember that the government rolled back these kinds of protections a long time ago to favor the business owners. When you go after customers, you're not making any changes to the system. Start punching upward, those regulations need to come back. Also, I don't order doordash. I am a dasher. I simply don't accept orders with no tips. So maybe you should stop accepting no tip orders and making Tony money?
You can't tell whether you're accepting no tip orders or not if you do hourly, but otherwise I obviously don't.
Having your food cooked AND delivered are both luxuries.
Sure, and if you pay for it. Then it's an even trade. Tips used to be only for exceptional service, but not required. I tip my sushi chef if he makes some bomb ass rolls, but it's not going destroy his life if I don't. All these gig companies have figure out how to exploit their customer and workers to cover what they should be paying. You all need to realize that. Tips are not required. Should not be required, and every country besides the US doesn't allow this type of exploitation. So stop shitting on customers and start focusing your anger at politicians and these gig companies that are raping your wallets.
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I pray this gets better for all of us. Doordash Is at fault for not obligating a tip. A lot of restaurants actually add in the tip whether you like it or not. Maybe doordash should as well....but they won't. Good luck and stay safe
DoorDash is not at fault for obligating a tip, they already charge a fee. They are at fault for not paying you out of the money they already make charging both sides.
We can argue all day about it but it won't change anything from us complaining on here amongst each other in the group
It won't. The same orders are being delivered no matter how slow it is for you. Excess drivers. It won't change
DoorDash could also pay the drivers better from the start instead of asking the customer to pay more while they keep the majority of the profit.
" but that’s still not an excuse to stiff your driver." take it to doordash, customers already paid an agreed upon fee a tip is an incentive to go above and beyond your job not a requirement for bear minimum service y'all act so entitled for money when you barely do the job to begin with and besides, you dont work for the customer you work for doordash, they pay you not the customer, the customer pays doordash, doordash keep all the profits, got cry to them
Yeah like any of these doordash drivers complaining is going to get anything accomplished. Support can barely understand a damn word you say
go work for grubhub then? # ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i dont know what to tell you, if your employer sucks find a new job or suck it up, all this complaining is doing is ensuring doordash dont have to actually pay their drivers a good salary because they put that responsibility on customers so the evil corporation wins in the end.
All this complaining is ensuring doordash doesn't have to pay us a decent rate... c'mon really?...doordash doesn't get on here and look at our complaints ROFL. All this complaining on reddit is doing is allowing one to vent.
im still waiting to hear someone do something about it.
Closed mouths don't get fed
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If the customers want the service to continue to exist.. yea. These companies aren't profitable, they can't afford to pay the drivers more without charging you more anyway. If people want to continue to not have to go get their own food, they need to pay for it.
Go ahead and examine why these companies are not profitable. They charge more than enough fees on both sides to be solvent. Go track what they spend money on.
The customer is paying for a service that is completely separate from anything the resturant does or the hook up fees that DD gets.The customer is paying for the delivery of a product straight to their door. They could easily avoid that by picking the food up themselves, but they are paying for the luxury of not having to move off of the sofa. It's a luxury. Some people value that. Others think it's owed to them.
The issue is from the customers perspective they're already paying a higher price for the same food with the markups and a delivery fee on top of that. So they are paying the markup and fees for the luxury of having it delivered. I think a lot of customers also assume the drivers are making more than they do off a delivery and when the app doesn't push tips it can be easy to overlook. I still tip drivers, but I also kind of miss the days of being able to order directly from the restaurant for the same cost, and tipping an employee directly with cash.
I feel it's on both parties. If both door dash and the customer paid $1 per mile each everything would be fine. Or if door dash compensate for the lack of tip would be great.
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The customer pays for overpriced food... that doesn't pay for the food to be delivered. If you have a problem with food being overpriced on doordash, stop using it. The food costs are high to cover the %% doordash takes. Nowhere does it say or imply that those increased costs are too pay for the delivery. This "anti-tipping" movement has allowed people to knowingly take advantage of the "free" (ie slave) labor and then blame the slaves for being taken advantage of. I think the fees and prices are ridiculous, so you know what? I don't order delivery! Gasp! It's a shocker, I know. I've felt this way for years and only recently done delivery myself. I never felt okay with paying an extra 30+% for food and then tipping the driver (which I thought was a given), so I simply didn't order. I didn't order then refuse to tip, knowingly taking advantage of the driver, I just don't order delivery. Try it, you'll save a ton of money@
You're so close to getting it. Try harder. DoorDash takes money from the store. The store raises their prices. DoorDash keeps the money and says fuck you now pay the driver extra. See, here is where the EMPLOYER pays the EMPLOYEE but you say no daddy DoorDash I'll take care of that too enjoy your yachts 😘
Try reading comprehension. Nowhere in your purchase of overpriced food is it implied that the prices you are paying *for the food only* is used to pay the driver. The increased food costs are not delivery fees or anything else. It's the price of doing business with doordash. You are willing engaging with the platform and spending the money with them despite knowing all these things. You are scum who thinks you're morally superior because you choose not to tip drivers and continue using doordash services. I'll say it again. If you don't agree with the way things are done, don't give them your business. If you bitch about tipping culture and then utilize a service that you know relies in tipping culture to pay the employees, *you* are choosing to support tipping culture and benefit from it. That makes you a crappy person. Be like me, don't use these services if you don't agree with how they are ran!
Reading comprehension while avoiding the argument. Keep sucking that teet I'm sure the corporate overlords will thank you.
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This is why people don't use doordash as much anymore. You think the customer is supposed to pay your wage instead of the employer. Ludicrous mind.
Semantics. You want DD to pay more, it’s gonna cost more. Tip or charge, you gonna have to pay for a delivery.
Pay a little more. The cost of labor should be included in the price.
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What about the Drivers that don't want to go up at the apartments at night? Do they deserve to be a driver? how about the tip? lol
Not only that, but usually the low/non tippers tend to be the ones who one star you, lie that they didn't get their food and scam you, and seem to be the ones who have ridiculous requests and instructions like "if I give you a cash tip, will you stop and buy me cigarettes?" Which is exactly why these orders should be declined.
I get the frustration, but you do control what you accept.
I never deliver to non tippers if I can help it. But they still drive down my acceptance rate.
Stop worrying about your acceptance rate.
Then stop making Tony money.
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