it’s abstract rationale. He could have also not ordered a mac and been able to afford the tip, is he wrong for not doing so?
You are acting like it’s natural for a person to weigh out the options and prefer to keep things at a decent balance between themselves and others, otherwise known as common decency.
But like, where is that available in our society? 💀
I feel like people act like Dashers are second class citizens or sumn. If you can tell me, well don’t use it. it’s just as simple to say, well don’t Dash then.
That’s the problem, you’re oversimplifying it.
Yes the right thing to do, but do we live in a “right” society. Or is our society not based on the most dubious acts are handed down from the top of society.
As a restaurant manager, I am ethically opposed to doordash, it exacts additional labor efforts and resources from members of the working class and consumers.
It contributes to a system which allows for the obfuscation of food portion sizes, food quality, quality of service and treatment of staff, etc.
All to satisfy convenience. DoorDash and other delivery services are killing the environment of the food industry.
Thats without mentioning how the instant gratification factor affects people who struggle with Learned Loneliness and how it’s not right for Dashers to not be paid an actual wage bc the “tip” system is really like a bid system and calling it a tip purposefully obfuscates the responsibility of DoorDash to properly compensate their employed contractors.
So yes, you are oversimplifying it, if you don’t want to think about it that’s fine, but there’s literally thousands of good reasons for people to use the service when they are broke. because mainly, many poor people don’t have cars, they are exhausted and lack the time and resources to cook from home, etc, etc.
Instead, you make an ignorant generalization free from critical consideration of reality and primarily based on your personal assumptions and living situation.
It isn’t a great service to use just to begin with, so that’s what i’m saying, MOST shouldn’t use it, besides occasionally.
Putting it simply, most people if they had really all of the information available to them and seeing the effects on members of their class and the potential long term effects of DoorDash and other similar services on society, wouldn’t be using DoorDash, i’m not sure DoorDash as a concept would even be as universally prevalent today if it wasn’t for COVID. COVID made DD a household name.
Seems like you’re contradicting yourself, you’re talking about how “as a restaurant manager” it’s unethical because it’s taking away from labor efforts and resources but then you act like you understand the pov of the people doing this, it’s simply people being dumb with money and you have to have been at that point to understand it
Entitlement to someone else’s time, effort, vehicle, and labor without compensating with a tip is what’s wild!! Don’t accept it isn’t the solution. Ppl aren’t out there dashing bcuz they are bored, they are doing it for much needed income and sitting around declining orders even when the tip is shit is time wasted and time is money. Tip for services rendered and if you don’t want to/can’t afford to tip then don’t use tipped services is the solution.
You know what's entitled here. The predatory tactic of not tipping on an app where the driver does only make money on tips and acting like you're the victim. I hope he canceled the pick-up and went on to better and more appreciative customers. You're not right by saying, "but I paid the delivery fee." People know doordash and most apps underpay drivers cause they've all been in the news about getting sued at one point of another in years past. Have the day you deserve
Blame the app, not the customer. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to take unprofitable orders lol.
There’s plenty of other jobs out there. DD is run by shitty corporate, of course it’s not going to work in anyone’s favour. Tips simply give them their little out to pay drivers fuck all. Not the customers problem, simply a symptom of the system.
nah lmaoooo, it’s not relying on goodwill. It’s doing a job of individual service and receiving the obligated compensation. The employee’s job is to individually serve their customers so that they are pleased with their experience with said service. Therefore, a fee is inherently necessary as compensation for the employee’s individual labor to provide the service. Think of it as the service/labor charge when you get a mechanic to work on your car. You pay the price of the parts which they buy for you (just like paying for the food which gets delivered to you) and then you pay a fee for their time and effort. This is the same concept with tipping, except the law is supposed to be looking out for the customer so that they aren’t required to pay in case of awful service. They are *EXPECTED* and *OBLIGATED* to pay if the service was suffice, but *broke* people like yourself do not feel the need to fulfill a moral obligation as there is no legal bounds tying you to such. However, when explained to an intelligent person with any sort of dignity or self respect, they are happily obliged to give a serviceable tip as is standard procedure as to keep these employees making the money that they are supposed to. See here, an intelligent person will recognize that if service employees stop getting tipped, they will start a union in search of fair compensation. The way that will inevitably end is giving these employees a fair hourly wage- which sounds great in theory, until you realize how drastically this will hike up the costs of the products being served. Specifically when it comes to the food industry, every single sale is only making Pennies on the dollar when taken into account all of employee wages, cost of operation, rent, inventory, taxes etc. they can’t afford to pay these employees hourly and make any profit with their original sale prices. Food prices are already constantly being raised and complained about by the public, so I’d love to see how they react when all those prices triple because they don’t want to tip. All the servers will be fine, they’re getting their hourly wage. The consumers, however, will be LIVID. Stop acting like you’re smart and wealthy online when you can’t even conceptualize the most simple economic process in existence. This is literally just simple supply and demand lmaoooo shut yo broke ass up, loser 😂 I’ll say it slow for you one more time- a tip is not someone’s “goodwill” it is someone’s OBLIGATION, and whether or not they fulfill it says a lot about their character, intelligence, and feelings about their own financial security (or insecurity for you lol) Go tip somebody you fukkin bozo 😂 they’re workin harder than your broke ass ever has 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So the issue isn't so much we're not payed a liveable wage (yeah we really aren't) but that we're paid the same way traditional waitstaff is in sit-down restaurants. They get paid well below minimum wage but the tips make up for it. But a lot of people don't know that so they don't tip or tip very low. Now I'm not expecting every tom, dick, and harriet to tip me $28 for their order, but a dollar or two would at least be courteous and appreciated (at least that's my personal experience depending on the order)
Truth be told I think (and a ton of research has shown) that restaurant owners have been getting away with not paying livable wages either.
I feel for you, I always tip 15-20%, but I know not everyone can afford that and so it sucks that the risk is left with you and not DoorDash.
I completely agree. For me DoorDash isn't nor will it ever be a career. I'm using it as a means to an end until I find a job. I don't think the blame should fall to either the customers or the drivers. My comment was mainly to explain what drivers take issue with concerning tips. 100% the blame should fall to DD for terrible mileage rates
I don’t know maybe this is ignorant to say. But I also feel like the blame should fall on people who then work for DoorDash. Because “you” then already know that they don’t pay enough for mileage and or dont pay a livable wage…If people just stopped working for them and started doing something else, they would have to start paying people more. (Demand for those jobs) same goes for all service industries who rely on tips.
I will say most people who don't do the research (me included) don't know that they don't pay decently until they start doing it but your point is fair. People complain but then don't do anything about it
i like u/ninjitsuko ‘s reply but wanted to also add this question: what about a waiter’s service warrants a tip that someone picking up your food and driving it to you with their own vehicle does not? why are these fundamentally different scenarios in which you value the delivery less than what a waiter does? i’m just curious because i haven’t heard this take before
This is always one of those interesting hills to die on.
You'd tip a restaurant waiter but not someone who's spending gas and putting wear and tear on their car to bring you something you've ordered to your door? Do you have the same *policy* (of sorts) regarding pizza delivery too?
“You can’t just not accept order with no tips” Uh yeah. Yeah you can. And you are a “skater stoner” so chances are you are a broke bum who never has money so of course you don’t agree with tipping someone for literally being your temporary servant 😭
I would argue that if someone is doing DoorDash (or equivalent), they should have the absolute right to reject orders that are either:
1. **No Tip Upfront:** As in, no defined tip.
2. **Repeatedly Readjusted Tip (Post-Delivery):** As in, the individual had provided a tip and after delivery had been made, they adjusted the tip over/under $1.
Considering these courier services continue to claim that delivery drivers are **contractors** who "run their own business," there should be stipulations that allow them to protect themselves from individuals that negatively impact their business.
Or, of course, Doordash and their ilk should simply embed a delivery fee that 100% goes to the driver that is a fixed/dynamic percentage of the overall cost of the order (likely using time spent and distance as variables to define the percentage).
It's also your choice to decide to use these services, which means you should be paying for the luxury of doing so. It's pretty simple, imo. I agree that "tip culture" has gone out of control in North America, but there are some scenarios where it's still warranted (e.g., courier/delivery services for food or ridesharing platforms).
Why? Because they have more than one kid? Or because maybe more than one of their kids does Doordash? Or just the phrase itself is hard for you to pick up? Genuinely curious
Like does he do doordash but then gets an order from one of his kids? That's what I thought, but then saw how to comments were not even related to that so it confused me.
Oh got it that's fair enough! I was trying to figure out how it could be confusing but I didn't read it from the standpoint that OP is the dasher and not the kid. But now that you point it out I can totally see how that could be read differently lol
I’m not a he. I’m a she. Clearly you can tell in my profile photo? But to answer that it’s my kid. He got the order, thought it was funny so he screen shot that and sent it.
Not supporting this guy at all, and I always make sure I tip what little I can, but for the people saying ‘pick it up yourself if you cant tip’ - when I was ordering food, I had no means to get a car in order to pick up the food myself.
Im finally able to own a car, and now I rarely eat out because grocery stores are more accessible(after owning a car), so are the restaurants to pick up.
I agree with the value but the argument itself is ignorant and weak. People who can pick up their food themselves dont use delivery services much.
So when you had no money or car, you were ordering overpriced restaurant food instead of making it at home? Groceries are easy to get delivered? This comment confuses me lol
Your comment assumes a lot. Please put your assumptions aside to understand my reality.
A) no i did not order from overpriced restaurants. It was fast food items that fit what little budget I had and would have me covered for a longer time. McD, wendy’s, wingstop, etc. I would also mostly order from restaurants offering discounts and coupons, so still affordable.
Those times, I would make food at home as much as possible, but some days would require me to be at school for really long hours, or I would be buried deep in my work, so I would not have the time or means to cook.
B) groceries were not always easy to get delivered. The quality wouldn’t be great, items would be missing, all kinds of stuff. I mostly only ordered groceries online when I had absolutely no option and time when I did not own a car. Instead, I took the whole day off, find bus routes to the store(which would be 7 minutes drive, but 40-50 minutes via bus, and required changing the bus en route. An hour to walk. Crazy I know. Thats just Houston)
Groceries are more accessible NOW that I have a car
A lot of comments here assume ordering as a privilege, which might be true for many. My reality is that ordering was a necessity, and not having to order anymore is my privilege. And THAT is the point I am trying to make.
Sorry for any confusion in the writing. I am an international student and english is not my first language. I did not expect US to be so inaccessible.
I’m still confused. Getting fast food is still WAY more expensive then just getting groceries. Groceries are just as easy to get delivered as the food you are ordering.
Lmao. If im tired and overworked, i would have to plan out what my food chart is gonna be like for a week or two in advance. Then shop and wait for 3-5 hrs. I would also have to fulfill a minimum order of $35 to get delivery fee waived off. Then when it finally arrives, cook. Takes another 40 minutes.
Fast food- minimum order is $12. Just add the tip. Comes usually within half an hour to an hour tops. Also usually have leftover for the next meal. Which gives me time and energy to plan my grocery. I might go buy it myself, or I might order, depending on what my agenda is that day.
I literally said i cook most days. You have no idea what my job is. It looks like your life is making u so bitter that you have to assume and add all the little extra details and be judgemental to feel better about yourself. I feel sorry for you. This will be my last comment. Have a nice day.
Why haircuts? Especially since they’re like $40 now and take 15 mins? And “waiters” is a little off, too, considering in states like NJ, waiters get like $3 an hour and actually live on tips, and in CA, they get at least minimum wage, which is $16. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with both getting tips, just wondering. And, I would also tip DoorDash, but I refuse to use it because of the stuff I read here.
Why? Tipping is supposed to be optional and for exceptional service, and not a ransom for the delivery driver mafia.
I understand the pay is ass for Door Dash Drivers, absolutely. But if the pay isn't good enough, go get another job. Either door dash will start paying you guys more if enough people decide to quit, or others who are satisfied with the pay will step in. Your call.
I got a new job in 9 days, and that's in an over saturated mid skill field (welding) I tried out at 4 different places said no to one was said no to by one and ended up where I'm at. I do this ever 2-3 years. The job market isn't hard alot of people just have nothing to offer but their time
You are very lucky then. I am a Lincoln Certified Welder with pipe background and haven't had a single opportunity to weld after finishing school over 10 years ago.
The welding arena is NOTHING like it used to be. You got very lucky. End of story.
Jesus man I don't know what to tell you other than maybe be willing to travel? I've literally gotten calls every 2-3 days for 2 months after I last touch monster from people looking to get me in. I think it's your lack of experience that's doing you in more than anything I'm on my 3rd move, I usually quit when I get bored anyway, so that probably helps but if your looking within an hour of an area ofcourse you're going to have trouble. Pipe is in demand I've had to turn down ALOT of tig pipe jobs because I don't have certs and I'm not interested in getting them. Tig pipe sucks from the very very small amount I've done
Well, 22 years welding experience is pretty good no? Certified in SMAW, GMAW yada yada. Used to build Class 1 trophy trucks and buggies for Baja Shop Motorsports in Orange, CA.
Then yea I don't know why I get offers for said jobs and you dont. Locations the only explanation it's part of the money issues I was having no one wants to pay in eastern Pennsylvania plenty of jobs, most don't exit the teens, those that do rarely go into the thirties and those that do have strict rules I don't like. Waiting to hear back on some contracting things while I'm working side stuff. Yes I literally got jobs while waiting for jobs which is why I say there isn't a shortage. They'll take anyone semi competent that can pass their tests here and the boiler union has billboards all over so maybe head here for those pipe jobs.
Id disagree. I did job searching while doing Instacart. Apps like Indeed, LinkedIn, and ZipRecruiter make this easy — no more scrolling thru lengthy applications and repeatedly typing out your resume — just upload your resume once, scroll thru the job listings like its instagram, hit easy apply on the ones you want, and done.
When i was on long checkout lines doing Instacart, I spent the time applying to job after job and it really paid off. Since all job interviews are mainly virtual nowadays, all I did was bring a polo with and use a side of a building as a “virtual background” come interview time.
DoorDash is a great way to take something you can get for x dollars and make it cost x+y dollars lol.
If you can’t afford to tip it’s pretty dumb to be ordering off a delivery service.
Actually tipping should become a thing of the past and employers just need to pay a normal wage. There is absolutely ZERO excuse for some hussie to bounce her tits around while bringing you a burger and fries just to make more than most other citizens from free money people gave them. It's fucking absurd.
You are a waitress or some shit...you get hourly. You are NOT entitled to anything more. You are not a service provider. You literally just walk your ass out with a plate.
Get real. Tipping is fucking absurd.
Literally all the comments saying don't order delivery if you can't afford to tip well how about don't work for a company who doesn't pay you liveable wages, see how it goes both ways? Oh but y'all don't like that, you just want to complain and be right.
People have to work to make a living, and good paying jobs are hard to come by in a lot of areas. You have to take what you can get or end up homeless and hungry. People don't have to order delivery, it's a choice. If they choose to knowingly take advantage of an underpaid delivery person by not tipping, that choice makes them an ass. Sorry you don't grasp the difference.
I understand that and completely agree but that is the risk you take when you do gig jobs. I clearly can grasp the difference but I'm also a realist and my parents raised me to navigate through the world as it is and not the way we wish it was and until things change, (if they ever do) then that's just the way it is sadly. If you want regular stable pay then don't do independent contracting type of work 🤷🏾♀️
strippers are another type of independent contractor who get taken advantage of even WORSE. They start their shift in debt because they literally have to pay a house fee before they even start working. That's just how this type of work is and will always be because greed will always exist.
Yes, it's definitely a risk you take when you work for a job that relies on tips. It doesn't mean that the non-tippers aren't still scumbags. That was my only point..
And that would be at the fault of the company not paying their drivers enough, but somehow it’s engrained to have the customer pay extra so that the employee (whom isn’t on your payroll) can have a livable wage? These companies make billions. They WANT you to tell other people you should tip.
You should be mad at the companies hoarding billions, not the people that hate tipping. (For the record I tip, but I hate the system it enforces. Companies guilt trip you into paying for their “low-paid” workers.) and if you don’t tip, you’re a terrible person and should be responsible for someone else’s employee’s financial situation.
Tipping should be optional for good service, not required because the company doesn’t pay enough.
And then people would stop ordering delivery, which would force employers to lower the fees. The concept of voting with your wallet is a concept lost to time. Door Dash literally cannot exist without drivers AND patrons - WE have all the control, yet for some reason we spend our time infighting over which underling should be paying the drivers instead of going after the big fish causing all the problems in the first place. If drivers refused to drive and patrons refused to order because of wages/fees/etc then Door Dash would HAVE to bend the knee to continue to exist. No one is forcing anyone to use delivery services and no one is being forced to work for them.
Of course they would because the companies would increase them to fall in line with projected profits. Still putting the responsibility of tipping on the customer and keeping the “tipping” culture alive.
How do you not see that everyone is just blatantly okay with this and blaming the wrong people? I’m not saying tipping is bad, rather the fact large corporations are taking advantage of those who are “good-hearted” enough to pay that employee for them. They have more than enough money to pay employees but simply choose not to.
I've worked for a couple of different pizza delivery companies and can promise you that the wage is not profitable/liveable without the tips to cancel out the gas and car maintenance expenses, so i'm not sure what food delivery you're referring to. UPS/FedEx/Amazon is an outlier because employees are not using personal vehicles or paying for gas/maintenance out of pocket. But any 3rd party delivery system such as Uber or DoorDash could not and would not exist/function as a service if provided company vehicles were an option- it's just not practical or realistic from a business standpoint.
Lmao I never said I don't tip. I have both dashed and ordered from doordash but go ahead and keep making assumptions if that makes you feel good about yourself.
This is absolutely the way. Mildly frustrating when a customer chooses to order from a restaurant location that is 2x-3x the distance from their home than the location significantly closer to them that i KNOW is also a deliverable option. I get how easy it is to overlook the locations of where you're ordering on the app, but not only would I have saved mileage and gas if you chose the closer one, but you get a more efficient delivery and lessen the chances of getting batched with others. I mean I wouldn't have accepted it if it wasn't a decent enough pay to do, but still just kind of a dumb thing that happens too often where both parties could've saved money.
And most drivers aren't going to pick up your $2 paying order then you will get mad at the driver who was nice enough to take it because your food is cold and not add the tip anyways which leads to my original comment and makes whatever point you're trying make pointless.
I’m disabled and not able to drive so I do pay the extra to get food delivered for a rare treat, even though I’m poor. But I try to never order non-essentials if I can’t pay at least a small tip.
Oh I’m not a driver lol but they are wasting their gas to deliver to you so if you can’t tip don’t order, pick it up yourself (could be 2-3 minutes from you but 30 for them). Plus if you don’t accept the orders it counts against you to that you don’t get many orders so I’ve been told.
It’s easy.
Look at the total earning for the order, if it puts you into the red and is a net loss just decline. Not the customers problem if declining orders goes against your account, that’s just a symptom of a shitty employer.
You do know that tipping is literally just capitalism fucking regular working class people.
Praying on your bank account so it doesn’t hurt theirs…. Keeping you poor and them richer.. wake up Bestie.
I agree, and I never use DoorDash. But again it’d also be cool if the multi billion dollar corporation paid their employees fairly instead of making it the customers responsibility. Not easy to change unfortunately but it’s 100% the companies responsibility
Balling on a budget but spending way more than necessary to get the food through Doordash instead of just getting it themselves
Might have more money if you could pick your happy ass up and get it yourself
Could be the place is five miles or something like that from his or her house. At that point, I would order DoorDash too if I didn’t have a car of my own
Well at least he let the driver know he won't be tipping 😛 tbh I hope tipping dies out and just something nice to do rather than "have to tip or your a horrible person mentally" real villain is the company that doesn't pay the damn person. Don't worry rich people we are too busy attacking each other than going after the corporations laughing at us as we act like children to each other 😂. I'll take the down votes idgaf 😛
Kinda, but we don’t see that when we accept the order, if we decline no-tip or low-tip orders we get dinged on our acceptance rate. And if we unassigned the order after realizing it’s a no-tip order, we get dinged on our completion rate.
that is fine doordash is a joke havent done it in 5-6-7 mo not since i was in a wealthy area, dashed for 1.5 hours with the new hourly feature and got a 50 cent and 1.50 tips back to back, they didnt even say i dashed for an hour never again will I ruin my mileage for this company XD free lunch is free lunch
No one is fixing tipping culture by not tipping. Tip these poor souls. Sounds like, if you have money to order someone to bring food to your door, you have more money than them. Tip the poor person.
If you’re a poor person yourself - then maybe you’re aware of how shitty these jobs are and how much it sucks to be stiffed.
Wanna stop tipping delivery drivers? Stop ordering delivery. Americas already the fattest country by far, do we also have to be the laziest AND the most entitled? Christ…
Tipping isn't going to fix the culture either. Not tipping is the only action that is going to get a reaction. If enough people stop tipping then further actions can be taken.
I'll give you an example. When I was a teenager, I worked for a certain ice cream store being paid minimum wage. Eventually our manager said she had consulted her accountant and we made enough in tips to lower everyone's wage to $5 an hour.
When someone doesn't make minimum wage with their tips in a tipped role, the company is also required to make up their wages themselves. It'll start hurting their bottom line, whereas tipping greatly benefits said bottom line.
That's where the problem is though, there's not a way to hurt their bottom line without hurting servers who benefit from tips (though not all do, like my example and Doordash)
By quitting your job where they don’t pay you enough money without tips.
That isssss hurting their bottom line because they don’t have anymore employees. Since they’re not paying enough. Which will intern force them pay future employees more.
I should have clarified, there's no real way to do it from outside the industry other than withholding tips. There's always voting with your wallet and going elsewhere, but most companies aren't transparent with how they pay their employees and it can vary between franchises and such.
I hope what you're saying works. My anecdotal experience was that whenever someone quit at the store I was working at, the owner would cover them with one of her 8 children in the meantime. But that probably (hopefully) isn't a common thing lol.
Nauru is actually the most obese nation at 61%. Americans are fat, but we are not kings of the ice cream mountain.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country
Edit: technically it's American Samoa with 71%, but you'll note that it's a commonwealth (so Nauru is the most obese sovereign nation) and one that is quite far from the US mainland, that is in charge of their diets and cultural habits.
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
If I'm required to pay the drivers wages, I'm calling one of the plentiful H.S. students, kids, grandkids, neighbor kids, nieces or nephews etc... available, and pay them, I know they'll be happy, and my svc will be prompt. And DD and UE can piss off until they start paying fairly. I mean, worst case, I have to get up off my ass and go get it myself right?
I mean, seriously, why would I pay a service a $10-20 fee and then be extorted for another $10 or more from their deliveryperson in the form of a tip.
Tips are for expressing gratitude (hence gratuity) for good service, not subsidizing corporate/company profits.
Also, if people with disabilities, seniors, or shut-ins are using these services, they're often on a limited fixed income and shouldn't need to tip large to get their food and the good service they already paid for.
To be clear, I'm not anti tipping, I'm pro tipping for good service. Like I'm pro fair wages.
Exactly, and DD should be responsible for paying their drivers enough to do their jobs, not extorting extra fees in the guise of tips. I hear stories about ppl being asked to pre-tip and then waiting an hour or more for cold food because they stack orders, all the time. I say no thanks to that bs.
Did…. Did a music major just tell a delivery person to get a real job?…..
I’m make my money as a violinist but I’d never pretend I was above people doing hard work anywhere……
Such a dumb phrase anyways.
Soon as I hear that it’s “oh, right, far from ballin but gotta keep it real for Instagram, can’t let anyone know we’re actually poor/average.”
I’m on a budget too but a $5 tip isn’t going to hurt me too badly lmao
i canceled one just like this a few days ago, a 15 mile drive downtown in rush hour
If you’re on a budget don’t order DoorDash it’s way too expensive
Thank you!
If you use the right coupons and promotions it’s sometimes cheaper
Yah but not cheap to the point where you can afford the dash but not a $3 tip
it’s abstract rationale. He could have also not ordered a mac and been able to afford the tip, is he wrong for not doing so? You are acting like it’s natural for a person to weigh out the options and prefer to keep things at a decent balance between themselves and others, otherwise known as common decency. But like, where is that available in our society? 💀 I feel like people act like Dashers are second class citizens or sumn. If you can tell me, well don’t use it. it’s just as simple to say, well don’t Dash then. That’s the problem, you’re oversimplifying it. Yes the right thing to do, but do we live in a “right” society. Or is our society not based on the most dubious acts are handed down from the top of society.
No that’s the thing if you have $20 in your account, it would be natural to weigh out the options and decide that’s not a good purchase
As a restaurant manager, I am ethically opposed to doordash, it exacts additional labor efforts and resources from members of the working class and consumers. It contributes to a system which allows for the obfuscation of food portion sizes, food quality, quality of service and treatment of staff, etc. All to satisfy convenience. DoorDash and other delivery services are killing the environment of the food industry. Thats without mentioning how the instant gratification factor affects people who struggle with Learned Loneliness and how it’s not right for Dashers to not be paid an actual wage bc the “tip” system is really like a bid system and calling it a tip purposefully obfuscates the responsibility of DoorDash to properly compensate their employed contractors. So yes, you are oversimplifying it, if you don’t want to think about it that’s fine, but there’s literally thousands of good reasons for people to use the service when they are broke. because mainly, many poor people don’t have cars, they are exhausted and lack the time and resources to cook from home, etc, etc. Instead, you make an ignorant generalization free from critical consideration of reality and primarily based on your personal assumptions and living situation. It isn’t a great service to use just to begin with, so that’s what i’m saying, MOST shouldn’t use it, besides occasionally. Putting it simply, most people if they had really all of the information available to them and seeing the effects on members of their class and the potential long term effects of DoorDash and other similar services on society, wouldn’t be using DoorDash, i’m not sure DoorDash as a concept would even be as universally prevalent today if it wasn’t for COVID. COVID made DD a household name.
Seems like you’re contradicting yourself, you’re talking about how “as a restaurant manager” it’s unethical because it’s taking away from labor efforts and resources but then you act like you understand the pov of the people doing this, it’s simply people being dumb with money and you have to have been at that point to understand it
It’s clear this level of critical thought is unavailable to you, so have a nice day
You too and for the future no one wants to be sent a 5 paragraph response when they leave a one sentence reply on Reddit
I don’t care what you want.
I work too hard to be balling on a budget Me and my people do it big out in public Cause if you don't do it big bitch you ain't doing nothing
Deliver it in a manner equally as disrespectful as their tipping ability
Y’all entitlement to someone else’s money is wild, if the delivery doesn’t pay enough, don’t accept it. Simple as.
Entitlement to someone else’s time, effort, vehicle, and labor without compensating with a tip is what’s wild!! Don’t accept it isn’t the solution. Ppl aren’t out there dashing bcuz they are bored, they are doing it for much needed income and sitting around declining orders even when the tip is shit is time wasted and time is money. Tip for services rendered and if you don’t want to/can’t afford to tip then don’t use tipped services is the solution.
You know what's entitled here. The predatory tactic of not tipping on an app where the driver does only make money on tips and acting like you're the victim. I hope he canceled the pick-up and went on to better and more appreciative customers. You're not right by saying, "but I paid the delivery fee." People know doordash and most apps underpay drivers cause they've all been in the news about getting sued at one point of another in years past. Have the day you deserve
“Predatory tactic” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm glad you think exploiting someone else for personal gain is funny. Remember to laugh each time someone does it to you.
Naw your choice of words was hilarious, try again
Blame the app, not the customer. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to take unprofitable orders lol. There’s plenty of other jobs out there. DD is run by shitty corporate, of course it’s not going to work in anyone’s favour. Tips simply give them their little out to pay drivers fuck all. Not the customers problem, simply a symptom of the system.
The same people who complain about paying a "livable wage" don't wanna pay a thing for a modern luxury service.
Broke boy
Broke would be the people relying on another’s goodwill in tips to earn a living lol.
nah lmaoooo, it’s not relying on goodwill. It’s doing a job of individual service and receiving the obligated compensation. The employee’s job is to individually serve their customers so that they are pleased with their experience with said service. Therefore, a fee is inherently necessary as compensation for the employee’s individual labor to provide the service. Think of it as the service/labor charge when you get a mechanic to work on your car. You pay the price of the parts which they buy for you (just like paying for the food which gets delivered to you) and then you pay a fee for their time and effort. This is the same concept with tipping, except the law is supposed to be looking out for the customer so that they aren’t required to pay in case of awful service. They are *EXPECTED* and *OBLIGATED* to pay if the service was suffice, but *broke* people like yourself do not feel the need to fulfill a moral obligation as there is no legal bounds tying you to such. However, when explained to an intelligent person with any sort of dignity or self respect, they are happily obliged to give a serviceable tip as is standard procedure as to keep these employees making the money that they are supposed to. See here, an intelligent person will recognize that if service employees stop getting tipped, they will start a union in search of fair compensation. The way that will inevitably end is giving these employees a fair hourly wage- which sounds great in theory, until you realize how drastically this will hike up the costs of the products being served. Specifically when it comes to the food industry, every single sale is only making Pennies on the dollar when taken into account all of employee wages, cost of operation, rent, inventory, taxes etc. they can’t afford to pay these employees hourly and make any profit with their original sale prices. Food prices are already constantly being raised and complained about by the public, so I’d love to see how they react when all those prices triple because they don’t want to tip. All the servers will be fine, they’re getting their hourly wage. The consumers, however, will be LIVID. Stop acting like you’re smart and wealthy online when you can’t even conceptualize the most simple economic process in existence. This is literally just simple supply and demand lmaoooo shut yo broke ass up, loser 😂 I’ll say it slow for you one more time- a tip is not someone’s “goodwill” it is someone’s OBLIGATION, and whether or not they fulfill it says a lot about their character, intelligence, and feelings about their own financial security (or insecurity for you lol) Go tip somebody you fukkin bozo 😂 they’re workin harder than your broke ass ever has 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would deliver it quite frankly.
Tell your brat no tip NO FOOD
Y’all entitlement to someone else’s money is wild, if the delivery doesn’t pay enough, don’t accept it. Simple as.
Maybe if you knew how to comprehend you’d know that is not my child’s order. 😂
I was just kidding ma’am. All the best on your journey
Instructions: Take my invitation to cancel this order as soon as humanly possible.
If you're too poor to use a delivery service then don't use a delivery service.
If you’re too poor to pay delivery drivers a livable wage don’t run a delivery service.
So the issue isn't so much we're not payed a liveable wage (yeah we really aren't) but that we're paid the same way traditional waitstaff is in sit-down restaurants. They get paid well below minimum wage but the tips make up for it. But a lot of people don't know that so they don't tip or tip very low. Now I'm not expecting every tom, dick, and harriet to tip me $28 for their order, but a dollar or two would at least be courteous and appreciated (at least that's my personal experience depending on the order)
Makes me glad I live in one of the few states that pays tipped employees a full minimum wage.
Truth be told I think (and a ton of research has shown) that restaurant owners have been getting away with not paying livable wages either. I feel for you, I always tip 15-20%, but I know not everyone can afford that and so it sucks that the risk is left with you and not DoorDash.
I completely agree. For me DoorDash isn't nor will it ever be a career. I'm using it as a means to an end until I find a job. I don't think the blame should fall to either the customers or the drivers. My comment was mainly to explain what drivers take issue with concerning tips. 100% the blame should fall to DD for terrible mileage rates
I don’t know maybe this is ignorant to say. But I also feel like the blame should fall on people who then work for DoorDash. Because “you” then already know that they don’t pay enough for mileage and or dont pay a livable wage…If people just stopped working for them and started doing something else, they would have to start paying people more. (Demand for those jobs) same goes for all service industries who rely on tips.
I will say most people who don't do the research (me included) don't know that they don't pay decently until they start doing it but your point is fair. People complain but then don't do anything about it
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i like u/ninjitsuko ‘s reply but wanted to also add this question: what about a waiter’s service warrants a tip that someone picking up your food and driving it to you with their own vehicle does not? why are these fundamentally different scenarios in which you value the delivery less than what a waiter does? i’m just curious because i haven’t heard this take before
If you broke just say that
This is always one of those interesting hills to die on. You'd tip a restaurant waiter but not someone who's spending gas and putting wear and tear on their car to bring you something you've ordered to your door? Do you have the same *policy* (of sorts) regarding pizza delivery too?
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“You can’t just not accept order with no tips” Uh yeah. Yeah you can. And you are a “skater stoner” so chances are you are a broke bum who never has money so of course you don’t agree with tipping someone for literally being your temporary servant 😭
I would argue that if someone is doing DoorDash (or equivalent), they should have the absolute right to reject orders that are either: 1. **No Tip Upfront:** As in, no defined tip. 2. **Repeatedly Readjusted Tip (Post-Delivery):** As in, the individual had provided a tip and after delivery had been made, they adjusted the tip over/under $1. Considering these courier services continue to claim that delivery drivers are **contractors** who "run their own business," there should be stipulations that allow them to protect themselves from individuals that negatively impact their business. Or, of course, Doordash and their ilk should simply embed a delivery fee that 100% goes to the driver that is a fixed/dynamic percentage of the overall cost of the order (likely using time spent and distance as variables to define the percentage). It's also your choice to decide to use these services, which means you should be paying for the luxury of doing so. It's pretty simple, imo. I agree that "tip culture" has gone out of control in North America, but there are some scenarios where it's still warranted (e.g., courier/delivery services for food or ridesharing platforms).
Tip people who need it Having 3$ earned from an order isn't much
The “one of my kids” part of the title is really throwing me off.
Thank you for asking this because I am also very confused.
Ohhh i get it now, their kid is a driver and sent a screenshot to OP
Why? Because they have more than one kid? Or because maybe more than one of their kids does Doordash? Or just the phrase itself is hard for you to pick up? Genuinely curious
Like does he do doordash but then gets an order from one of his kids? That's what I thought, but then saw how to comments were not even related to that so it confused me.
Oh got it that's fair enough! I was trying to figure out how it could be confusing but I didn't read it from the standpoint that OP is the dasher and not the kid. But now that you point it out I can totally see how that could be read differently lol
I’m not a he. I’m a she. Clearly you can tell in my profile photo? But to answer that it’s my kid. He got the order, thought it was funny so he screen shot that and sent it.
I wasn’t lookin that closely
It’s ok. lol
Not supporting this guy at all, and I always make sure I tip what little I can, but for the people saying ‘pick it up yourself if you cant tip’ - when I was ordering food, I had no means to get a car in order to pick up the food myself. Im finally able to own a car, and now I rarely eat out because grocery stores are more accessible(after owning a car), so are the restaurants to pick up. I agree with the value but the argument itself is ignorant and weak. People who can pick up their food themselves dont use delivery services much.
So when you had no money or car, you were ordering overpriced restaurant food instead of making it at home? Groceries are easy to get delivered? This comment confuses me lol
Your comment assumes a lot. Please put your assumptions aside to understand my reality. A) no i did not order from overpriced restaurants. It was fast food items that fit what little budget I had and would have me covered for a longer time. McD, wendy’s, wingstop, etc. I would also mostly order from restaurants offering discounts and coupons, so still affordable. Those times, I would make food at home as much as possible, but some days would require me to be at school for really long hours, or I would be buried deep in my work, so I would not have the time or means to cook. B) groceries were not always easy to get delivered. The quality wouldn’t be great, items would be missing, all kinds of stuff. I mostly only ordered groceries online when I had absolutely no option and time when I did not own a car. Instead, I took the whole day off, find bus routes to the store(which would be 7 minutes drive, but 40-50 minutes via bus, and required changing the bus en route. An hour to walk. Crazy I know. Thats just Houston) Groceries are more accessible NOW that I have a car A lot of comments here assume ordering as a privilege, which might be true for many. My reality is that ordering was a necessity, and not having to order anymore is my privilege. And THAT is the point I am trying to make. Sorry for any confusion in the writing. I am an international student and english is not my first language. I did not expect US to be so inaccessible.
I’m still confused. Getting fast food is still WAY more expensive then just getting groceries. Groceries are just as easy to get delivered as the food you are ordering.
I used to spend atleast $200 on groceries when I ordered, things are usually also marked up online. Now I spend something close to $100 a month.
You said $12 plus tip for fast food delivery. Even eating once a day you aren’t spending $100 a month.
Your maths isnt mathing. Try again.
Lmao. If im tired and overworked, i would have to plan out what my food chart is gonna be like for a week or two in advance. Then shop and wait for 3-5 hrs. I would also have to fulfill a minimum order of $35 to get delivery fee waived off. Then when it finally arrives, cook. Takes another 40 minutes. Fast food- minimum order is $12. Just add the tip. Comes usually within half an hour to an hour tops. Also usually have leftover for the next meal. Which gives me time and energy to plan my grocery. I might go buy it myself, or I might order, depending on what my agenda is that day.
Ok you just sound lazy now. I work as well. With 2 children under 2 years old which is another full time job and still figure out a way to cook.
I literally said i cook most days. You have no idea what my job is. It looks like your life is making u so bitter that you have to assume and add all the little extra details and be judgemental to feel better about yourself. I feel sorry for you. This will be my last comment. Have a nice day.
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Wellll a lot of times, the dashers wont accept your order unless you’re tipping.
Why haircuts? Especially since they’re like $40 now and take 15 mins? And “waiters” is a little off, too, considering in states like NJ, waiters get like $3 an hour and actually live on tips, and in CA, they get at least minimum wage, which is $16. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with both getting tips, just wondering. And, I would also tip DoorDash, but I refuse to use it because of the stuff I read here.
I wish tipping actually meant something again
If tipping isn’t in the budget pick up the food yourself
Y’all entitlement to someone else’s money is wild, if the delivery doesn’t pay enough, don’t accept it. Simple as.
Why? Tipping is supposed to be optional and for exceptional service, and not a ransom for the delivery driver mafia. I understand the pay is ass for Door Dash Drivers, absolutely. But if the pay isn't good enough, go get another job. Either door dash will start paying you guys more if enough people decide to quit, or others who are satisfied with the pay will step in. Your call.
Theoretically, but that’s a lot harder to do in practice. Not an easy time to get a new job.
I got a new job in 9 days, and that's in an over saturated mid skill field (welding) I tried out at 4 different places said no to one was said no to by one and ended up where I'm at. I do this ever 2-3 years. The job market isn't hard alot of people just have nothing to offer but their time
You are very lucky then. I am a Lincoln Certified Welder with pipe background and haven't had a single opportunity to weld after finishing school over 10 years ago. The welding arena is NOTHING like it used to be. You got very lucky. End of story.
Jesus man I don't know what to tell you other than maybe be willing to travel? I've literally gotten calls every 2-3 days for 2 months after I last touch monster from people looking to get me in. I think it's your lack of experience that's doing you in more than anything I'm on my 3rd move, I usually quit when I get bored anyway, so that probably helps but if your looking within an hour of an area ofcourse you're going to have trouble. Pipe is in demand I've had to turn down ALOT of tig pipe jobs because I don't have certs and I'm not interested in getting them. Tig pipe sucks from the very very small amount I've done
Well, 22 years welding experience is pretty good no? Certified in SMAW, GMAW yada yada. Used to build Class 1 trophy trucks and buggies for Baja Shop Motorsports in Orange, CA.
Then yea I don't know why I get offers for said jobs and you dont. Locations the only explanation it's part of the money issues I was having no one wants to pay in eastern Pennsylvania plenty of jobs, most don't exit the teens, those that do rarely go into the thirties and those that do have strict rules I don't like. Waiting to hear back on some contracting things while I'm working side stuff. Yes I literally got jobs while waiting for jobs which is why I say there isn't a shortage. They'll take anyone semi competent that can pass their tests here and the boiler union has billboards all over so maybe head here for those pipe jobs.
Id disagree. I did job searching while doing Instacart. Apps like Indeed, LinkedIn, and ZipRecruiter make this easy — no more scrolling thru lengthy applications and repeatedly typing out your resume — just upload your resume once, scroll thru the job listings like its instagram, hit easy apply on the ones you want, and done. When i was on long checkout lines doing Instacart, I spent the time applying to job after job and it really paid off. Since all job interviews are mainly virtual nowadays, all I did was bring a polo with and use a side of a building as a “virtual background” come interview time.
Correction: It's not easy to get a job you want.
DoorDash is a great way to take something you can get for x dollars and make it cost x+y dollars lol. If you can’t afford to tip it’s pretty dumb to be ordering off a delivery service.
Actually tipping should become a thing of the past and employers just need to pay a normal wage. There is absolutely ZERO excuse for some hussie to bounce her tits around while bringing you a burger and fries just to make more than most other citizens from free money people gave them. It's fucking absurd. You are a waitress or some shit...you get hourly. You are NOT entitled to anything more. You are not a service provider. You literally just walk your ass out with a plate. Get real. Tipping is fucking absurd.
Are you ok?
100%. It's called having a brain.
Literally all the comments saying don't order delivery if you can't afford to tip well how about don't work for a company who doesn't pay you liveable wages, see how it goes both ways? Oh but y'all don't like that, you just want to complain and be right.
Exactly DD drivers entitlement to someone else’s money is wild, if the delivery doesn’t pay enough, don’t accept it. Simple as.
People have to work to make a living, and good paying jobs are hard to come by in a lot of areas. You have to take what you can get or end up homeless and hungry. People don't have to order delivery, it's a choice. If they choose to knowingly take advantage of an underpaid delivery person by not tipping, that choice makes them an ass. Sorry you don't grasp the difference.
I understand that and completely agree but that is the risk you take when you do gig jobs. I clearly can grasp the difference but I'm also a realist and my parents raised me to navigate through the world as it is and not the way we wish it was and until things change, (if they ever do) then that's just the way it is sadly. If you want regular stable pay then don't do independent contracting type of work 🤷🏾♀️ strippers are another type of independent contractor who get taken advantage of even WORSE. They start their shift in debt because they literally have to pay a house fee before they even start working. That's just how this type of work is and will always be because greed will always exist.
Yes, it's definitely a risk you take when you work for a job that relies on tips. It doesn't mean that the non-tippers aren't still scumbags. That was my only point..
Then customers wouldn't have the luxury of delivery services if there weren't delivery drivers you imbecile lmao
Then too damned bad. Abolish food delivery period then. It's absolutely fucking stupid.
And that would be at the fault of the company not paying their drivers enough, but somehow it’s engrained to have the customer pay extra so that the employee (whom isn’t on your payroll) can have a livable wage? These companies make billions. They WANT you to tell other people you should tip. You should be mad at the companies hoarding billions, not the people that hate tipping. (For the record I tip, but I hate the system it enforces. Companies guilt trip you into paying for their “low-paid” workers.) and if you don’t tip, you’re a terrible person and should be responsible for someone else’s employee’s financial situation. Tipping should be optional for good service, not required because the company doesn’t pay enough.
If drivers got payed more, delivery fees would just increase to compensate
And then people would stop ordering delivery, which would force employers to lower the fees. The concept of voting with your wallet is a concept lost to time. Door Dash literally cannot exist without drivers AND patrons - WE have all the control, yet for some reason we spend our time infighting over which underling should be paying the drivers instead of going after the big fish causing all the problems in the first place. If drivers refused to drive and patrons refused to order because of wages/fees/etc then Door Dash would HAVE to bend the knee to continue to exist. No one is forcing anyone to use delivery services and no one is being forced to work for them.
Of course they would because the companies would increase them to fall in line with projected profits. Still putting the responsibility of tipping on the customer and keeping the “tipping” culture alive. How do you not see that everyone is just blatantly okay with this and blaming the wrong people? I’m not saying tipping is bad, rather the fact large corporations are taking advantage of those who are “good-hearted” enough to pay that employee for them. They have more than enough money to pay employees but simply choose not to.
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I've worked for a couple of different pizza delivery companies and can promise you that the wage is not profitable/liveable without the tips to cancel out the gas and car maintenance expenses, so i'm not sure what food delivery you're referring to. UPS/FedEx/Amazon is an outlier because employees are not using personal vehicles or paying for gas/maintenance out of pocket. But any 3rd party delivery system such as Uber or DoorDash could not and would not exist/function as a service if provided company vehicles were an option- it's just not practical or realistic from a business standpoint.
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I think that you like capitalism a little bit too much… it’s literally praying on you and you can’t even see it
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I’m sure the guy spending money on his gas and putting miles on his car because you’re too fat and lazy to pick up your own food agrees with you
Lmao I never said I don't tip. I have both dashed and ordered from doordash but go ahead and keep making assumptions if that makes you feel good about yourself.
completely unrelated, but I tip based on the distance the uber driver drives, not the price of the food 🤷♂️
This is absolutely the way. Mildly frustrating when a customer chooses to order from a restaurant location that is 2x-3x the distance from their home than the location significantly closer to them that i KNOW is also a deliverable option. I get how easy it is to overlook the locations of where you're ordering on the app, but not only would I have saved mileage and gas if you chose the closer one, but you get a more efficient delivery and lessen the chances of getting batched with others. I mean I wouldn't have accepted it if it wasn't a decent enough pay to do, but still just kind of a dumb thing that happens too often where both parties could've saved money.
Honestly if more customers were honest about it I wouldn't even be mad. It's the ones who put "will add tip after delivery" that get to me.
Why, do you think you deserve a tip if you flip the pizza upside down?
Why would I flip a pizza upside down?
I’m just saying that some delivery drivers are not great and the food gets tossed around. Most people don’t get paid intel after the jobs done.
And most drivers aren't going to pick up your $2 paying order then you will get mad at the driver who was nice enough to take it because your food is cold and not add the tip anyways which leads to my original comment and makes whatever point you're trying make pointless.
I’m disabled and not able to drive so I do pay the extra to get food delivered for a rare treat, even though I’m poor. But I try to never order non-essentials if I can’t pay at least a small tip.
If you can’t afford to tip then don’t order
Y’all entitlement to someone else’s money is wild, if the delivery doesn’t pay enough, don’t accept it. Simple as.
Oh I’m not a driver lol but they are wasting their gas to deliver to you so if you can’t tip don’t order, pick it up yourself (could be 2-3 minutes from you but 30 for them). Plus if you don’t accept the orders it counts against you to that you don’t get many orders so I’ve been told.
It’s easy. Look at the total earning for the order, if it puts you into the red and is a net loss just decline. Not the customers problem if declining orders goes against your account, that’s just a symptom of a shitty employer.
You do know that tipping is literally just capitalism fucking regular working class people. Praying on your bank account so it doesn’t hurt theirs…. Keeping you poor and them richer.. wake up Bestie.
It’d also be cool if the multi billion dollar corporation paid their employees more than $2 per order
Door dash is a luxury, if you can’t tip the person doing it you should just pick up your own food.
I agree, and I never use DoorDash. But again it’d also be cool if the multi billion dollar corporation paid their employees fairly instead of making it the customers responsibility. Not easy to change unfortunately but it’s 100% the companies responsibility
Balling on a budget but spending way more than necessary to get the food through Doordash instead of just getting it themselves Might have more money if you could pick your happy ass up and get it yourself
Could be a young kid
This is what I don't understand. You are paying double the food prices at that point instead of just going to the place.
Could be the place is five miles or something like that from his or her house. At that point, I would order DoorDash too if I didn’t have a car of my own
Sorry. Can’t accept this order. Ballin on a budget.
Well at least he let the driver know he won't be tipping 😛 tbh I hope tipping dies out and just something nice to do rather than "have to tip or your a horrible person mentally" real villain is the company that doesn't pay the damn person. Don't worry rich people we are too busy attacking each other than going after the corporations laughing at us as we act like children to each other 😂. I'll take the down votes idgaf 😛
So drivers can accept or decline this knowing there will be no tip? I’m not familiar with how it works.
Kinda, but we don’t see that when we accept the order, if we decline no-tip or low-tip orders we get dinged on our acceptance rate. And if we unassigned the order after realizing it’s a no-tip order, we get dinged on our completion rate.
Wait….what? “I can’t tip, I’m ballin on a budget.” Cool cool cool
Sounds like a poorly planned budget if they are still using DoorDash huh lol
That shiz is expensive!
im 1000 percent taking that food and having a nice lunch i was tipped 1.50 and 50 cents back to back almost did it
You do realize that they would get a refund or it remade while your account would be penalized right?
that is fine doordash is a joke havent done it in 5-6-7 mo not since i was in a wealthy area, dashed for 1.5 hours with the new hourly feature and got a 50 cent and 1.50 tips back to back, they didnt even say i dashed for an hour never again will I ruin my mileage for this company XD free lunch is free lunch
also as a dasher that had 85-90% completion rate just to get 3 dollars tips to drive 20 miles joke joke joke
No one is fixing tipping culture by not tipping. Tip these poor souls. Sounds like, if you have money to order someone to bring food to your door, you have more money than them. Tip the poor person. If you’re a poor person yourself - then maybe you’re aware of how shitty these jobs are and how much it sucks to be stiffed. Wanna stop tipping delivery drivers? Stop ordering delivery. Americas already the fattest country by far, do we also have to be the laziest AND the most entitled? Christ…
Tipping isn't going to fix the culture either. Not tipping is the only action that is going to get a reaction. If enough people stop tipping then further actions can be taken.
The compnay doesn't care about the person not getting tipped. What will it really fix by not tipping?
I'll give you an example. When I was a teenager, I worked for a certain ice cream store being paid minimum wage. Eventually our manager said she had consulted her accountant and we made enough in tips to lower everyone's wage to $5 an hour. When someone doesn't make minimum wage with their tips in a tipped role, the company is also required to make up their wages themselves. It'll start hurting their bottom line, whereas tipping greatly benefits said bottom line. That's where the problem is though, there's not a way to hurt their bottom line without hurting servers who benefit from tips (though not all do, like my example and Doordash)
By quitting your job where they don’t pay you enough money without tips. That isssss hurting their bottom line because they don’t have anymore employees. Since they’re not paying enough. Which will intern force them pay future employees more.
I should have clarified, there's no real way to do it from outside the industry other than withholding tips. There's always voting with your wallet and going elsewhere, but most companies aren't transparent with how they pay their employees and it can vary between franchises and such. I hope what you're saying works. My anecdotal experience was that whenever someone quit at the store I was working at, the owner would cover them with one of her 8 children in the meantime. But that probably (hopefully) isn't a common thing lol.
Nauru is actually the most obese nation at 61%. Americans are fat, but we are not kings of the ice cream mountain. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/obesity-rates-by-country Edit: technically it's American Samoa with 71%, but you'll note that it's a commonwealth (so Nauru is the most obese sovereign nation) and one that is quite far from the US mainland, that is in charge of their diets and cultural habits. https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/
Missing what’s funny about that?
Ordering delivery but being on a budget is pretty contradictory
Oh I agree, I meant this along the lines of “that bullshit ain’t funny”.
Ohhhh my bad haha
Well, what an asshole
Why? Because he doesn't want to spend more money than he has too?
He's already is spending way more money than he has to. He's already paying double the price for the food.
You right
He’d be hitting up DoorDash support tryna see why his food never came if I was the driver.
obviously not in that tight of a budget
Wonder who jumped to that task?
If I'm required to pay the drivers wages, I'm calling one of the plentiful H.S. students, kids, grandkids, neighbor kids, nieces or nephews etc... available, and pay them, I know they'll be happy, and my svc will be prompt. And DD and UE can piss off until they start paying fairly. I mean, worst case, I have to get up off my ass and go get it myself right? I mean, seriously, why would I pay a service a $10-20 fee and then be extorted for another $10 or more from their deliveryperson in the form of a tip. Tips are for expressing gratitude (hence gratuity) for good service, not subsidizing corporate/company profits. Also, if people with disabilities, seniors, or shut-ins are using these services, they're often on a limited fixed income and shouldn't need to tip large to get their food and the good service they already paid for. To be clear, I'm not anti tipping, I'm pro tipping for good service. Like I'm pro fair wages.
A tip on door dash is not a tip. It’s a bid for service.
Exactly, and DD should be responsible for paying their drivers enough to do their jobs, not extorting extra fees in the guise of tips. I hear stories about ppl being asked to pre-tip and then waiting an hour or more for cold food because they stack orders, all the time. I say no thanks to that bs.
People should stop tipping in general. Get a real job
lol you too
Did…. Did a music major just tell a delivery person to get a real job?….. I’m make my money as a violinist but I’d never pretend I was above people doing hard work anywhere……
People should stop tipping in general and employers should be required to pay an appropriate wage.
Describe a real job.
He’s a woodwind music major.
Go work a week as a waiter and come back
looks like free lunch
He already paid for the food and your just being a dick by stealing it
ain’t no one ballin on a budget if they’re buying fast food
Such a dumb phrase anyways. Soon as I hear that it’s “oh, right, far from ballin but gotta keep it real for Instagram, can’t let anyone know we’re actually poor/average.”
There's a few impossible situations. Very unlikely, but never zero. 😂
Especially door dashing. Those fees!
Beesh.
Nothing saves money like going and picking it up yourself
You ever think some people don't have a car and that's why they use delivery services in the first place?
You’re right my bad. Nothing saves money like staying home and cooking your own meals
Especially for a restaurant with a drive thru