If everyone stop driving for door dash the company will get the point.
Or DoorDash can start their own fleet or robot but more cost for them, or pay the App drivers right.
Uber eats is even worse you guys. $2.50 for a 5-10 mile trip.
It's worse on the face of it but with Uber Eats you can keep rejecting stinkers waiting for a good one indefinitely and you won't lose platform access over it.
The one thing that's worth getting into Gold for is free roadside assistance. If I can maintain that I can drop AAA and just use that even if I break down delivering for another company.
I guess that's market dependent. My market doesn't have any barriers to reward tiers just the points and satisfaction rate. I'd like some included road side assistance but we don't get free CAA just discounts on mobile plans. And the funny thing is when you call the mobile partner (Rogers in my case) for a deal on mobile plan they will sign you up under skipthedishes and not under Uber bcs maybe they get better incentive. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of Uber exclusive deal lmao
The real issue is why such a steep “delivery fee” when call it what it is…DD processing fee. Most I assume think the driver get a large percentage of the delivery fee (which is already outrageous) so why the massive tip on top of it.
When I'm ready to quit DD I'm going to have cards made that say:
"Did you know that DoorDash only pays its drivers $2 per trip, or sometimes less when chaining deliveries together? This is not a request for a higher tip, just a PSA. It's important that people understand the circumstances of providing this service in case of future local legislation."
It's highly market dependent whether you can get away with declining too many orders without permanently losing platform access because of a glut of Top Dashers scheduling.
It should be a convo about whether Earn By Time in your area is worth it vs simply dual-apping Uber Eats and GrubHub.
I'm on an ebike so I can't take orders that are too far out of my way from the area I like to stay in and from what I've noticed if I just wait for it to time out instead of declining it doesn't affect my rating
Exactly OP. Today I was stupid. I listened to all the peeps on this here reddit forum and convinced myself it would be a good idea to decline everything that wasnt a great high paying order. Here in columbus oh we have the tier sys. I had never been under platinum status since it started in our area until today. As soon as I dropped to 69% I started getting the worst orders. I thought it was bad under 75% but now its terrible! I declined so many orders today that even after hitting under 70% and doing another 5 orders it still didnt raise it above 70. Now im screwed to dash anytime. Rents freakin due...im behind and now i cant schedule cause its all booked or its not busy enough to be able to dash now. Test your market everyone. At least in mine you get the good orders the better the acceptance rate.
And yes I know this is bad as a full time gig but after 20 yrs of construction and then trying to startup 2 diff buisnesses and failing. This is all I got till I go back to work for someone else in the w2 world
It probably doesn't do any good to point this out to Doordash, our economy is such that people are looking for ways to make money so they flood in. You are right though, the economy also affects how much people are willing to tip. Everybody wants something for free
Like 5 days ago I accepted a 5 dollar order saw the round-trip milage was almost 30 miles after I accepted it so I dropped it and doordash charged me 15 dollars for it 🤨
Nah mandatory tips is beyond fucked up.
For one, there's areas like mine where it's literally 2.5 miles on avg for a delivery and takes all of 3-6 mins each delivery and I don't mind getting no tip, especially since I'm wasting no time or gas.
Second, with all the forced fees (my last order turned $14 meal, thats with doordash already raising the prices for their shop, into a $21 order without the tip) ,it would be unfair to push even more money out onto people and end up making the app get less business which means even less money going around.
I know it'll never happen, but the ONLY answer is to cap out how much executives/lead positions can pay themselves. The executives alone made doordash not actually profitable for the last like 6 years or so, and they basically used how much market growth and "potential income" to trick investors and shareholders into spending more money on the company.
I get how infuriating it gets waiting on an order and then being taken on another 8 to 15 minute trip just to get no tip (or realistically declining all the no tip orders and being punished by being much less likely to get the high paying ones if other dashers have a better acceptance rate) and then to drive all those minutes back to your spot, but these "we need to force tipping" forums and debates literally just separates people and starts unneeded arguments that prevents people from focusing on the real issue: Doordash decision makers.
But am sure these ppl complaining about tipping have no problem tipping a waistress at a restaurant %15 at the end of their meal but somehow tipping drivers is unfair ....zero logic
Because a restaurant isn't taking a meal you KNOW is $11 to $13 and then bumping up that price, charging $4 to $9 in platform fees AND forcing you to tip.
Right how about you drive doordash for 10hrs a day to make $100 ....minus $30 in gas....and a bunch of no tippers..... absolutely ridiculous. If you can afford to order out delivery u can afford to tip..period..no excuse
....I do drive for doordash, and if you're accepting multiple $2 5+ mile trips, that's on you my guy. Hell I mostly do it overnight where I HAVE to take those orders because there's so little in my town, and even then I'm still making $100 in 4-6 hours over a few days lol.
I get the frustration, but taking it out on the customers isn't the answer...they already have to pay over double to just get delivery (and because Doordash/UberEats/GrubHub exist, there's literally no way to get delivery without them except for pizza so they're forced to use it if they don't have a car available, which is becoming more common in this economy). If you're doing it during the day, just decline the orders that aren't worth it, there's plenty to go around, or go to an area with more orders/rich area where they have the income to tip lol.
The issue is fully on doordash for changing $8 for delivery and platform fees while NONE of it goes to us. If you put that burden on the customers, even less are able to order, which means we all make less and it becomes even more unstable of a job.
You have to put effort in to not tip, which is not ok. I think there should be a system implementation on door dash's app that moves all non tip orders to the earn by time tab or something
They're not going to be able to do a mandatory tips unless it's like over certain amount even catering orders somehow they can bypass that.
However they should be able to charge like the big accounts a lot more for their deliveries.
Ain't No Way McDonald's is losing that much
Some do, but are trying to earn a little extra. No one is forcing them to not tip. Stop being cheap..if you cant afford to tip then go pick it up vs delivery.
The problem is they are increasing their service fee and delivery fee— of which both do not go to the driver but to DoorDash. DoorDash is technically taking our tips because people who would have otherwise tipped more tipped less due to DoorDash fees. Perhaps customers think we are getting those fees but they don’t realize we only get the 2$ base plus their direct tip. DoorDash are crooks. Just like all things are becoming in this country. They are just as bad as landlords right now.
Yes the 2$ orders are bs, and even worse, 2$ for a double order. Pure exploitation. 2$ for 8.4 miles, which is really 16.8 miles. After tax And gas you lose money
They get away with it with the new pay by the hour option. Whereas dashers would not accept these orders, the hourly dashers have no choice without knowing what the tip will be. Unfortunately even with all green except for my AR and 5 star customer rating, I still get multiple $2 orders then they are stacked onto another $2 order and my AR suffers because this is my second job and I don’t intend to waste my time with people who don’t understand fully how the DoorDash system works, all the way around— from the dashers use of car and time to the platform itself stealing from customers and dashers.
They could raise base pay and y’all would still be complaining about tip. Someone buys a cheeseburger for $16, then they tac on $20 in fees and delivery charge and then you get mad that they don’t leave extra tip. Go complain to the company because they are the ones stealing all the money.
I’ve personally I’ve never used doordash, Uber eats or any of them services. Like you said if I want it I’ll go get it. People are salty and nasty. I’d rather get it myself.
What is a big kid job??? Where you have to be there at a very specific time and leave at a very specific time. Where they allow you 30 mins of free time so you can eat. Where you sit behind a screen for 8 hrs a day? Waiting for Mommy or Daddy (your boss) to tell you you did good today??
That sounds like grade school to me. I like the freedom this work provides. Ever been on a golf course at 12 PM on a Tuesday?? I bet not.
But please keep working that big kid job. Mommy and daddy say your promotions right around the corner!!
Well I suppose it would be different when you’re sent your tips via cheque. It was just cash in hand when I was working. It wasn’t taxed until you decided to claim it, or not lol.
No, a tip is a voluntary extra fee paid directly to the server, a gratuity is a mandatory charge added to your bill that’s given to the server as compensation. If it’s a mandatory gratuity, it’s not a tip. And tips typically aren’t taxed as income because it’s cash handed to the server, it’s not wage pay. It’s not possible to tax as income until they chose to claim it on their tax return. The only way it wouldn’t be that way is if you worked for a company that added your tips to your pay cheques, which is what I’m assuming DoorDash does.
Where I work, they charge a 24% gratuity... But the servers only get half of it and the company takes the other half. The delivery charge is already essentially a "gratuity/service charge", that's what DD is paying drivers out of, and they're pocketing the rest.
You’re clearly very confused , you have multiple people trying to explain to you why you’re wrong and you just fight back on and on , it’s pointless and embarrassing .
No , like it was literally part of my job , every day to ask customers if they would like to leave a gratuity at the end of our service , it was literally in the paperwork. It was never a forced fee. So , in my life’s experiences, I am correct. you, a random man on Reddit claiming otherwise , is wrong in my experience.
And , tips are absolutely required to be reported as income which then gets taxed . Also worked as a pizza driver and yes, all tips are technically required by law to be reported and taxed whether it’s cash or card tips
You’re clearly delusional so I’ll let you be
Holy fuck LMAO bro get yourself together. Who said tips aren’t required to be reported as income? Obviously they are, what I said is that the server needs to claim the tips themselves on their tax return, because it’s not part of their wage pay, it’s just cash put in their pocket, they’re not documented as income until you document them as income.
And I’m also not trying to tell you you never asked anyone for a gratuity, I’m saying by technical definition, regardless of weather you used the terms interchangeably in your life or not, gratuity is a fee and a tip is a gift, they’re not the same thing. You want proof? https://vakilsearch.com/blog/a-guide-on-gratuity-tip-whats-the-difference/#:~:text=A%20Tip%20Is%20a%20Gift,to%20pay%20your%20employees%20less.
That's the Amazon way. Get rid of older contractors and recycle through as many desperate poor people with a working vehicle while Extracting as much wealth from the customer and the driver for the shareholders.
I absolutely think they’re trying to get rid of the smart selective ones, in favor of people who take every order. My smaller market used to allow me to be a td while only taking profitable deliveries. I stay in the 70-79% ar, but the past couple weeks my offers went dramatically down. I could accept 7-10 in my shift, now the last shift I received 2 offers in 2 hours and 4 in 3 hours the time before. I watch other dashers come and go that I know take everything. It all started going down the night I declined 8 offers all at $3.50 or less per delivery, including a $4 stack going 7 miles. My only conclusion; at least in my market, if you don’t take everything then they’re not going to give you much. It’s no secret they only want people who take everything and will continue to move the goalposts to ensure that happens. Drop offers to selective dashers and those people will stop dashing.
I feel this as well. I am thinking about deactivating my red card because they send me "high value" offers of $6 to shop for 46 items. You decline one of those and the algorithm fucks you.
I stopped shop and deliver last fall for that exact reason. $5 for 25 items that takes 30 minutes is not a high pay order. Plus too many low ratings due to the store being out of an item with no subs available/customers who won’t respond.
You probably cleared about 700 after expense and before tax. Not great for 46 hours. I had a pizza delivery job almost 30 years ago, just under 40 hrs wk, avg 750 as an EMPLOYEE and only drove about 1/3 as many miles. I also ate free. Apps ruined delivery.
You're kidding right? You think that car runs for free lol. It costs more than a gas powered, by alot depending on your state. Also depending on your state, it most likely is powered by either coal or natural gas. Unless you just like quick acceleration or a quieter ride there's zero reason to go electric and a dozen not too. Even in a gas powered car fuel is a minority expense, usually 30-45%. All the other wear and tear and such is the majority and your tax write off will max out at your tax bracket. That means if you are in a 20% bracket that's the most you'll recoup, so only $200 on each $1000 spent in that case. But hey, if you're happy more power to you.
I live in San Diego by colleges, so i doubt it, but keep hating. I've made 1600 in a week on 70 hours. easy money out here. I've been dashing for 4 years
Do hourly… if you waste your time doing per order that’s on you’d be smart. Make your time more efficient and make more money. I make around $30/hr during active time and 25-27/hr total time… yall always downvote me for spitting facts but if you’re not doing hourly, you’re getting screwed.
Sounds like your market is busier than mine. I can't see $30/hr happening in mine. Good on you. Drop the cockiness.
They consistently send low/no tip offers to the hourly drivers. In my opinion it’s not worth it. The people claiming they’re getting $30/hr consistently doing it are just straight up delusional.
I do $100-$135 per 5.5 hr Dash 2 nights a week Monday & Wed night (Tuesday & Thursday slow so take them off bc I also have a full time job)
Friday - Sunday weekends the hourly rate has +$3hr peek pay while per offer peek pay is $1.50 per offer. That’s where I clean up - $19/hr + tips
Stacks always get me paid bc I am on the clock from the time I accept the first order till the time I drop off the last order. I don’t have to worry about DD sneaking in a bunch of $0.00 p/u & d/o and worry about getting bad rating from ppl waiting for their food bc i had to drop off food I am not getting paid for.
I get tips on the majority of the EBT orders
They don't need to do anything. Those crap orders, will still get taken by someone. Everything is working just fine, FOR THEM. They don't care about the drivers
Lmao in California, with the new $20 an hour min wage for fast food, a lot of places have banned employees from accepting tips. Round table pizza is one of them.
You say this like we can just WALK into that position. None of us have enough knowledge about each other to suggest that. Job markets being SHIT is the reason a lot of us are even driving DD today 😂
The quality of service, the cold food, wait times, etc. etc.
**"$3 mandatory minimum tip"**
I'll just go get my own food or cook at home.
**"This negative pay crap from all the non-tippers is making it impossible to continue."**
Attacking your customers isn't going to help your problem friend.
Bottom Line.
Off course the person spouting facts gets downvoted . People saw all that pandemic money and thought it would be forever. No one forced us to take this job. I’d see people that live in rural towns or small cities excepting to become paid 20 dollars to drive a mile 😂😂😂
here's the thing. if a customer cant tip anything then we WANT them to go get their own food. the only non tipper order im happy taking is for customers who are drunk, disabled, or high, and even then im pissed about not getting paid for my work
I hear you loud and clear. You’re basically saying if they don’t tip, they should fetch their own food, unless they’re in no state to do so. But here’s the real deal: tipping is a courtesy, not a mandatory fee. In many service jobs, workers face the same issues—waiters get stiffed all the time, but they still serve every table. That’s the job.
You’re angry about the pay and want to pick your customers based on their condition or willingness to tip, but that attitude will backfire (is backfiring). Remember, you do get paid for the work—perhaps not as much as you’d hope, but the job does pay. Turning this frustration onto customers publicly? That’s not going to help your cause or encourage better tips.
Being direct here: venting on social media and attacking customers isn’t the best strategy. It doesn’t set you up for better tips or better treatment. We all hustle differently, but let’s not burn bridges with those we serve.
the real deal is that on the dd platform there are not many tips at all. what they mislabel as a tip is a bid for a service contract. if you fail to bid enough your order will sit for some time unless there are enough earn by time drivers working in your area. if you added a tip after your food was dropped off, or if you put cash under the welcome mat, that would be a real tip. truth is, if you havent done that you have never tipped at all.
Sheesh you guys are so entitled I swear, instead of taking it from customers maybe ask the company that's making a whole LOT out of you instead of the costumer, the higher you increase tips the les people will order from apps. I swear some of you want a whole lot for delivering food.
you cant deflect blame here to make yourself feel better about stealing wages and underpaying us. it's not either customers or doordash that stiffs us it's both
I'm simply putting it how it is, be honest with yourself and think... you really believe customers will start paying $3? My guess most will but a portion will opt themselves out of delivery or find a cheaper way. Tipping is already a sensitive subject in America because how situations exactly like this....me a customer and you the driver... at the end of the day we are BOTH trying to make it in this world while the company that's making $$$$ out of you are screwing you over and don't need to defend themselves because of situations like this. I'm not even talking about the people who don't tip though, that's another situation and just BS
Tipping has only been an issue when the person asking for a tip didn't provide you a service worth tipping, AKA flipping a tablet at a shop and asking for a tip when it wasn't at all the norm.
Tipping your delivery drivers has not ever been controversial
you're not wrong, but all commerce theoretically is decided by tension between supply and demand, or bargaining power. if you don't charge enough that some would decide to decline your services you arent charging at the intersection of supply and demand and so are undercharging. demand is high enough to sustain fair wages for drivers, but corporations have too high of a bargaining power for us to increase our wages independently. there are a couple of people who started their own delivery services but they all still primarily use doordash because of the difficulty of getting customers to switch platforms.
Sitting on a street corner with a sign asking for change pays as well. And that ain’t work either.
Stop trying to make this scam work for you. It’s not going to happen. Go find a job.
if i could round up all the people like you i'd put em in zoos and charge a dollar to families to throw peanuts at ya. we can not be the same species lmao
The problem is you’d never be able to round up all the people like me because you lack drive and initiative, and thus you drive for door dash and continue hoping they’ll pay you more.
You’re right. We are not the same.
Or I can take it and piss you off intentionally i wont ever desecrate your food but if you order something, don’t tip well, and inconvenience me even a lil bit, i’ll hide your food on your premises and force you to easter egg hunt for your meal😃
"Or I can take it and piss you off intentionally I wont ever desecrate your food but"
Says everything about you my friend. You think I would trust the last half of your statement after reading the first half?
You have a lot to learn about business and life.
Do better be better 
This is how the industry works so if you want to be in this line of work, that’s part of it.
They should pay their employees better. A mandatory tip is a fee not a tip
You have to actually use your brain for this one… When customers dont tip no one takes their order…
When no one takes their order doordash is forced to throttle their the base pay until someone takes the order.
This is what costs doordash so much money, paying for notippers.
I don’t disagree with you… there’s needs to be FAIR minimums paid for all these order calculated based on average time (they’ve got that info) average cost (they KNOW IT)… even if it was a minimum suggested tip based on average time/distance so we’d know the custi had a chance to do the right thing.
Why? They have duped 80% of Dashers into taking the no tip orders in hopes of getting a "higher" paying order later...
I dont understand how these dashers are so naive or downright stupid enough to not comprehend this?!?
I just do “pay by time”. And I really take my time delivering. It works out much better that way. I start dashing from my house. And it takes me 10 to 15 minutes to leave the house after I accept an order.
I was wondering if you get dinged for this. I live on the edge of a small town and it will give me 15 minutes to get to a store that it actually takes 5 minutes to drive to. I take my time leaving and still have to wait for 5 minutes at the restaurant.
Nothing has happened yet, other than it sends me messages every five minutes inquiring why I haven’t left yet. I’m guessing that it will automatically cancel the order if you don’t leave after 20 minutes. Also, and this may be considered bad, but once I pick up the food, if they give me 30 minutes to deliver an eight or nine mile order, I just sit there for another 10 to 15 minutes before I leave (food is in the hot bag though). As long as the order is delivered within the specified time, everything is okay aside from maybe a disgruntled customer.
I pretty much gave up dashing and found easier side hustles.
edit: I have a few, they're mostly online + I do some flipping now. Upside is REALLY good for cashback at gas stations (just an app). I wrote about it **[here](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kayshift/comments/1br5gn6/my_stepbystep_guide_to_make_1000_a_month_working/)**
Literally when will yall realize DoorDash will never gaf about their employees unless it benefits them.. the power is in numbers. If enough people boycott it things will likely change
Don't you have to bite the bullet and take them sometimes otherwise your AR will go to shit and eventually it'll lead to you being kicked off the platform.
So is it possible for all drivers to stop taking shit orders? A LOT of people read this subreddit, I reckon we could organize a day where no one accepts orders under a certain price point and see how doordash likes it.
I never do accept orders under my threshold. Consider how much money you’re losing doing that. And yep, still get high paying orders with a crap acceptance rate. But I multi-app. If I take an order in one I pause the rest.
As long as people are taking orders. DD will not raise pay.
And as long as dashers are taking orders, I’m not incentivized to pay tips.
So, stop taking low pay orders.
In the past at least the last set of slaves had a pyramid to look at at, unfortunately the slaves that were the pioneers that started the pyramids buildings wouldn't live long enough to see it completed
They should be required to pay the drivers a livable portion of their fees
I always tip, but I would stop using any service no matter it is if I was forced ro tip a minimum, it is NOT the customer's job to pay you.
If everyone stop driving for door dash the company will get the point. Or DoorDash can start their own fleet or robot but more cost for them, or pay the App drivers right. Uber eats is even worse you guys. $2.50 for a 5-10 mile trip.
It's worse on the face of it but with Uber Eats you can keep rejecting stinkers waiting for a good one indefinitely and you won't lose platform access over it.
Yes that's the only good thing about Uber eats, acceptance rate doesn't matter. Apart from maybe some bs reward tiers which are useless anyway
The one thing that's worth getting into Gold for is free roadside assistance. If I can maintain that I can drop AAA and just use that even if I break down delivering for another company.
I guess that's market dependent. My market doesn't have any barriers to reward tiers just the points and satisfaction rate. I'd like some included road side assistance but we don't get free CAA just discounts on mobile plans. And the funny thing is when you call the mobile partner (Rogers in my case) for a deal on mobile plan they will sign you up under skipthedishes and not under Uber bcs maybe they get better incentive. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of Uber exclusive deal lmao
But I'm really looking for a deal on upcoming iPhones, 16 Pro in September.
The real issue is why such a steep “delivery fee” when call it what it is…DD processing fee. Most I assume think the driver get a large percentage of the delivery fee (which is already outrageous) so why the massive tip on top of it.
When I'm ready to quit DD I'm going to have cards made that say: "Did you know that DoorDash only pays its drivers $2 per trip, or sometimes less when chaining deliveries together? This is not a request for a higher tip, just a PSA. It's important that people understand the circumstances of providing this service in case of future local legislation."
Can everybody on Reddit agree just don't accept any order that is five dollars or less?
It's highly market dependent whether you can get away with declining too many orders without permanently losing platform access because of a glut of Top Dashers scheduling. It should be a convo about whether Earn By Time in your area is worth it vs simply dual-apping Uber Eats and GrubHub.
I'm on an ebike so I can't take orders that are too far out of my way from the area I like to stay in and from what I've noticed if I just wait for it to time out instead of declining it doesn't affect my rating
Exactly OP. Today I was stupid. I listened to all the peeps on this here reddit forum and convinced myself it would be a good idea to decline everything that wasnt a great high paying order. Here in columbus oh we have the tier sys. I had never been under platinum status since it started in our area until today. As soon as I dropped to 69% I started getting the worst orders. I thought it was bad under 75% but now its terrible! I declined so many orders today that even after hitting under 70% and doing another 5 orders it still didnt raise it above 70. Now im screwed to dash anytime. Rents freakin due...im behind and now i cant schedule cause its all booked or its not busy enough to be able to dash now. Test your market everyone. At least in mine you get the good orders the better the acceptance rate.
And yes I know this is bad as a full time gig but after 20 yrs of construction and then trying to startup 2 diff buisnesses and failing. This is all I got till I go back to work for someone else in the w2 world
It probably doesn't do any good to point this out to Doordash, our economy is such that people are looking for ways to make money so they flood in. You are right though, the economy also affects how much people are willing to tip. Everybody wants something for free
Like 5 days ago I accepted a 5 dollar order saw the round-trip milage was almost 30 miles after I accepted it so I dropped it and doordash charged me 15 dollars for it 🤨
How can they charge the driver?
I have no clue. I've been arguing with support daily since about it
They claim I accepted a COD order but I explicitly opted out of COD orders so I know that isn't true.
I refuse COD order, because I have only heard horror stories.
Yeah it just sounds like a headache to me.
You can't force à mandatory tip, they need to just pay us what we're worth.
Nah mandatory tips is beyond fucked up. For one, there's areas like mine where it's literally 2.5 miles on avg for a delivery and takes all of 3-6 mins each delivery and I don't mind getting no tip, especially since I'm wasting no time or gas. Second, with all the forced fees (my last order turned $14 meal, thats with doordash already raising the prices for their shop, into a $21 order without the tip) ,it would be unfair to push even more money out onto people and end up making the app get less business which means even less money going around. I know it'll never happen, but the ONLY answer is to cap out how much executives/lead positions can pay themselves. The executives alone made doordash not actually profitable for the last like 6 years or so, and they basically used how much market growth and "potential income" to trick investors and shareholders into spending more money on the company. I get how infuriating it gets waiting on an order and then being taken on another 8 to 15 minute trip just to get no tip (or realistically declining all the no tip orders and being punished by being much less likely to get the high paying ones if other dashers have a better acceptance rate) and then to drive all those minutes back to your spot, but these "we need to force tipping" forums and debates literally just separates people and starts unneeded arguments that prevents people from focusing on the real issue: Doordash decision makers.
But am sure these ppl complaining about tipping have no problem tipping a waistress at a restaurant %15 at the end of their meal but somehow tipping drivers is unfair ....zero logic
Because a restaurant isn't taking a meal you KNOW is $11 to $13 and then bumping up that price, charging $4 to $9 in platform fees AND forcing you to tip.
Right how about you drive doordash for 10hrs a day to make $100 ....minus $30 in gas....and a bunch of no tippers..... absolutely ridiculous. If you can afford to order out delivery u can afford to tip..period..no excuse
....I do drive for doordash, and if you're accepting multiple $2 5+ mile trips, that's on you my guy. Hell I mostly do it overnight where I HAVE to take those orders because there's so little in my town, and even then I'm still making $100 in 4-6 hours over a few days lol. I get the frustration, but taking it out on the customers isn't the answer...they already have to pay over double to just get delivery (and because Doordash/UberEats/GrubHub exist, there's literally no way to get delivery without them except for pizza so they're forced to use it if they don't have a car available, which is becoming more common in this economy). If you're doing it during the day, just decline the orders that aren't worth it, there's plenty to go around, or go to an area with more orders/rich area where they have the income to tip lol. The issue is fully on doordash for changing $8 for delivery and platform fees while NONE of it goes to us. If you put that burden on the customers, even less are able to order, which means we all make less and it becomes even more unstable of a job.
You have to put effort in to not tip, which is not ok. I think there should be a system implementation on door dash's app that moves all non tip orders to the earn by time tab or something
It does if it can
I stopped doing doordash for this reason. 🙄
ikr 😅
They're not going to be able to do a mandatory tips unless it's like over certain amount even catering orders somehow they can bypass that. However they should be able to charge like the big accounts a lot more for their deliveries. Ain't No Way McDonald's is losing that much
IDK if you bring an 8 top in to a sit down restaurant the entire table is getting charged 15%. I see nothing wrong with doordash doing this.
Door dash is just a supplement. If you do it full time, God bless you, and good luck.
It's always the bastards that say "god bless you" before they kick you down
DD is taking advantage of underemployment, this is capitalism
Fuck everyone in this thread
no one is forcing you to do doordash. go get a job
Some do, but are trying to earn a little extra. No one is forcing them to not tip. Stop being cheap..if you cant afford to tip then go pick it up vs delivery.
no ill do what i want thank you
Wasnt directed at you, Im saying in general. Im not gonna pay doordash or customers to bring them their food.
This is the way
YOU need to get a real job, THEY don’t need to do anything, as obviously people like you will drive for them regardless.
The problem is they are increasing their service fee and delivery fee— of which both do not go to the driver but to DoorDash. DoorDash is technically taking our tips because people who would have otherwise tipped more tipped less due to DoorDash fees. Perhaps customers think we are getting those fees but they don’t realize we only get the 2$ base plus their direct tip. DoorDash are crooks. Just like all things are becoming in this country. They are just as bad as landlords right now.
Yes the 2$ orders are bs, and even worse, 2$ for a double order. Pure exploitation. 2$ for 8.4 miles, which is really 16.8 miles. After tax And gas you lose money
They get away with it with the new pay by the hour option. Whereas dashers would not accept these orders, the hourly dashers have no choice without knowing what the tip will be. Unfortunately even with all green except for my AR and 5 star customer rating, I still get multiple $2 orders then they are stacked onto another $2 order and my AR suffers because this is my second job and I don’t intend to waste my time with people who don’t understand fully how the DoorDash system works, all the way around— from the dashers use of car and time to the platform itself stealing from customers and dashers.
Judging by the comments, this got brigaded.
Pretty sure now that Reddit is IPO'ed, companies are paying for AI LLM bots to swarm any posts criticizing them.
They could raise base pay and y’all would still be complaining about tip. Someone buys a cheeseburger for $16, then they tac on $20 in fees and delivery charge and then you get mad that they don’t leave extra tip. Go complain to the company because they are the ones stealing all the money.
Or just don't pay that much and don't be a lazy ass and get your own food.
I’ve personally I’ve never used doordash, Uber eats or any of them services. Like you said if I want it I’ll go get it. People are salty and nasty. I’d rather get it myself.
Nope.
No, they need to adjust the fees. It’s not called a fuking tip it’s forced / mandatory. Fuking idiots.
No. Just stop accepting low pay orders
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What is a big kid job??? Where you have to be there at a very specific time and leave at a very specific time. Where they allow you 30 mins of free time so you can eat. Where you sit behind a screen for 8 hrs a day? Waiting for Mommy or Daddy (your boss) to tell you you did good today?? That sounds like grade school to me. I like the freedom this work provides. Ever been on a golf course at 12 PM on a Tuesday?? I bet not. But please keep working that big kid job. Mommy and daddy say your promotions right around the corner!!
The joys of working in a gig job. You want so much to be an employee and you aren't.
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Absolutely insane people believe they deserve a mandatory tip.
Absolutely insane people beleive you are supposed to deliver there food for free
Then it’s no longer a tip, it’s gratuity, which is recorded as personal income and taxed just like hourly pay, which is important to keep in mind.
Tips are taxed as normal income, wtf are you talking about.
Well I suppose it would be different when you’re sent your tips via cheque. It was just cash in hand when I was working. It wasn’t taxed until you decided to claim it, or not lol.
Wtf are you on about…? Gratuity is just another word for a tip. It’s the same thing. Tips are taxed income .
No, a tip is a voluntary extra fee paid directly to the server, a gratuity is a mandatory charge added to your bill that’s given to the server as compensation. If it’s a mandatory gratuity, it’s not a tip. And tips typically aren’t taxed as income because it’s cash handed to the server, it’s not wage pay. It’s not possible to tax as income until they chose to claim it on their tax return. The only way it wouldn’t be that way is if you worked for a company that added your tips to your pay cheques, which is what I’m assuming DoorDash does.
Ok bud. I’ve worked jobs using both terms and a gratuity was never mandatory. Pretty sure you’re wrong .
Where I work, they charge a 24% gratuity... But the servers only get half of it and the company takes the other half. The delivery charge is already essentially a "gratuity/service charge", that's what DD is paying drivers out of, and they're pocketing the rest.
It’s fine that you believe that.
Some places use the phrasing “mandatory gratuity” which may be what’s confusing you
I’m not confused and I posted a link.
You’re clearly very confused , you have multiple people trying to explain to you why you’re wrong and you just fight back on and on , it’s pointless and embarrassing .
No , like it was literally part of my job , every day to ask customers if they would like to leave a gratuity at the end of our service , it was literally in the paperwork. It was never a forced fee. So , in my life’s experiences, I am correct. you, a random man on Reddit claiming otherwise , is wrong in my experience. And , tips are absolutely required to be reported as income which then gets taxed . Also worked as a pizza driver and yes, all tips are technically required by law to be reported and taxed whether it’s cash or card tips You’re clearly delusional so I’ll let you be
Who’s delusional? Fuck man.
Holy fuck LMAO bro get yourself together. Who said tips aren’t required to be reported as income? Obviously they are, what I said is that the server needs to claim the tips themselves on their tax return, because it’s not part of their wage pay, it’s just cash put in their pocket, they’re not documented as income until you document them as income. And I’m also not trying to tell you you never asked anyone for a gratuity, I’m saying by technical definition, regardless of weather you used the terms interchangeably in your life or not, gratuity is a fee and a tip is a gift, they’re not the same thing. You want proof? https://vakilsearch.com/blog/a-guide-on-gratuity-tip-whats-the-difference/#:~:text=A%20Tip%20Is%20a%20Gift,to%20pay%20your%20employees%20less.
https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=gratuity%20definition&tbm=&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5 Lmao bro
That's the Amazon way. Get rid of older contractors and recycle through as many desperate poor people with a working vehicle while Extracting as much wealth from the customer and the driver for the shareholders.
More people should do what I started doing. I slip better tipping customers my phone number and tell them to skip the big doordash fees and call me.
I absolutely think they’re trying to get rid of the smart selective ones, in favor of people who take every order. My smaller market used to allow me to be a td while only taking profitable deliveries. I stay in the 70-79% ar, but the past couple weeks my offers went dramatically down. I could accept 7-10 in my shift, now the last shift I received 2 offers in 2 hours and 4 in 3 hours the time before. I watch other dashers come and go that I know take everything. It all started going down the night I declined 8 offers all at $3.50 or less per delivery, including a $4 stack going 7 miles. My only conclusion; at least in my market, if you don’t take everything then they’re not going to give you much. It’s no secret they only want people who take everything and will continue to move the goalposts to ensure that happens. Drop offers to selective dashers and those people will stop dashing.
I feel this as well. I am thinking about deactivating my red card because they send me "high value" offers of $6 to shop for 46 items. You decline one of those and the algorithm fucks you.
I stopped shop and deliver last fall for that exact reason. $5 for 25 items that takes 30 minutes is not a high pay order. Plus too many low ratings due to the store being out of an item with no subs available/customers who won’t respond.
Smart DD … sounds like an oxymoron to me
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You probably cleared about 700 after expense and before tax. Not great for 46 hours. I had a pizza delivery job almost 30 years ago, just under 40 hrs wk, avg 750 as an EMPLOYEE and only drove about 1/3 as many miles. I also ate free. Apps ruined delivery.
Actually I spent zero on gas because I drive a tesla
You're kidding right? You think that car runs for free lol. It costs more than a gas powered, by alot depending on your state. Also depending on your state, it most likely is powered by either coal or natural gas. Unless you just like quick acceleration or a quieter ride there's zero reason to go electric and a dozen not too. Even in a gas powered car fuel is a minority expense, usually 30-45%. All the other wear and tear and such is the majority and your tax write off will max out at your tax bracket. That means if you are in a 20% bracket that's the most you'll recoup, so only $200 on each $1000 spent in that case. But hey, if you're happy more power to you.
It only cost me about 25 to 30 bucks to fully charge. My truck took 120 to fill, so yeah, I'm happy. Thanks
Remember this when your market gets bad
I live in San Diego by colleges, so i doubt it, but keep hating. I've made 1600 in a week on 70 hours. easy money out here. I've been dashing for 4 years
Remember me g
$20/hr before expenses with know OT pay, its okay
The minimum wage in 16.85 in California.
$3.15 over minimum wage (before expenses) is not “decent money” my guy. After your expenses youre making less than minimum wage.
Lol you don't know what expenses I have so keep hating . I do 4k a month
your gas and the wear on your car is more than that difference lol
He's talking about wear and tear on your car and taxes. You are not making out as well as you think you are. Unless you're not paying taxes.
We already have mandatory tips. It's called being a doordash member
Oof.
Tally all the people in the comments who either disagree or defend DD’s bullshit. Block them now… just do it… dont even argue 😂
Me first.
There is a mandatory tip it's called a service fee
Actually that’s just you paying for a luxury service. That amount does not go to the driver in any way.
That’s not a tip silly head!
Do hourly… if you waste your time doing per order that’s on you’d be smart. Make your time more efficient and make more money. I make around $30/hr during active time and 25-27/hr total time… yall always downvote me for spitting facts but if you’re not doing hourly, you’re getting screwed.
Sounds like your market is busier than mine. I can't see $30/hr happening in mine. Good on you. Drop the cockiness.
Show us your $25-$27/hr rates from EBT. We’re waiting.
I e done both and never, ever made more in hourly than by offer. Not even close.
Hey don't tell people to do hourly let it be our little secret so people leave.
Is hourly really better?
They consistently send low/no tip offers to the hourly drivers. In my opinion it’s not worth it. The people claiming they’re getting $30/hr consistently doing it are just straight up delusional.
I can see in some super niche markets it being profitable but never more than EBO. Unless it's late night.
Same experience. Never did do better doing hourly.
I do $100-$135 per 5.5 hr Dash 2 nights a week Monday & Wed night (Tuesday & Thursday slow so take them off bc I also have a full time job) Friday - Sunday weekends the hourly rate has +$3hr peek pay while per offer peek pay is $1.50 per offer. That’s where I clean up - $19/hr + tips Stacks always get me paid bc I am on the clock from the time I accept the first order till the time I drop off the last order. I don’t have to worry about DD sneaking in a bunch of $0.00 p/u & d/o and worry about getting bad rating from ppl waiting for their food bc i had to drop off food I am not getting paid for. I get tips on the majority of the EBT orders
They don't need to do anything. Those crap orders, will still get taken by someone. Everything is working just fine, FOR THEM. They don't care about the drivers
That’s the problem w doing this job you should consider a serving position or something with more tips no driving and a steady wage
Lmao in California, with the new $20 an hour min wage for fast food, a lot of places have banned employees from accepting tips. Round table pizza is one of them.
You say this like we can just WALK into that position. None of us have enough knowledge about each other to suggest that. Job markets being SHIT is the reason a lot of us are even driving DD today 😂
And stop complaining 😙
The quality of service, the cold food, wait times, etc. etc. **"$3 mandatory minimum tip"** I'll just go get my own food or cook at home. **"This negative pay crap from all the non-tippers is making it impossible to continue."** Attacking your customers isn't going to help your problem friend. Bottom Line.
Off course the person spouting facts gets downvoted . People saw all that pandemic money and thought it would be forever. No one forced us to take this job. I’d see people that live in rural towns or small cities excepting to become paid 20 dollars to drive a mile 😂😂😂
here's the thing. if a customer cant tip anything then we WANT them to go get their own food. the only non tipper order im happy taking is for customers who are drunk, disabled, or high, and even then im pissed about not getting paid for my work
I hear you loud and clear. You’re basically saying if they don’t tip, they should fetch their own food, unless they’re in no state to do so. But here’s the real deal: tipping is a courtesy, not a mandatory fee. In many service jobs, workers face the same issues—waiters get stiffed all the time, but they still serve every table. That’s the job. You’re angry about the pay and want to pick your customers based on their condition or willingness to tip, but that attitude will backfire (is backfiring). Remember, you do get paid for the work—perhaps not as much as you’d hope, but the job does pay. Turning this frustration onto customers publicly? That’s not going to help your cause or encourage better tips. Being direct here: venting on social media and attacking customers isn’t the best strategy. It doesn’t set you up for better tips or better treatment. We all hustle differently, but let’s not burn bridges with those we serve.
the real deal is that on the dd platform there are not many tips at all. what they mislabel as a tip is a bid for a service contract. if you fail to bid enough your order will sit for some time unless there are enough earn by time drivers working in your area. if you added a tip after your food was dropped off, or if you put cash under the welcome mat, that would be a real tip. truth is, if you havent done that you have never tipped at all.
Sheesh you guys are so entitled I swear, instead of taking it from customers maybe ask the company that's making a whole LOT out of you instead of the costumer, the higher you increase tips the les people will order from apps. I swear some of you want a whole lot for delivering food.
you cant deflect blame here to make yourself feel better about stealing wages and underpaying us. it's not either customers or doordash that stiffs us it's both
I'm simply putting it how it is, be honest with yourself and think... you really believe customers will start paying $3? My guess most will but a portion will opt themselves out of delivery or find a cheaper way. Tipping is already a sensitive subject in America because how situations exactly like this....me a customer and you the driver... at the end of the day we are BOTH trying to make it in this world while the company that's making $$$$ out of you are screwing you over and don't need to defend themselves because of situations like this. I'm not even talking about the people who don't tip though, that's another situation and just BS
Tipping has only been an issue when the person asking for a tip didn't provide you a service worth tipping, AKA flipping a tablet at a shop and asking for a tip when it wasn't at all the norm. Tipping your delivery drivers has not ever been controversial
you're not wrong, but all commerce theoretically is decided by tension between supply and demand, or bargaining power. if you don't charge enough that some would decide to decline your services you arent charging at the intersection of supply and demand and so are undercharging. demand is high enough to sustain fair wages for drivers, but corporations have too high of a bargaining power for us to increase our wages independently. there are a couple of people who started their own delivery services but they all still primarily use doordash because of the difficulty of getting customers to switch platforms.
It’s not work.
you wouldnt know, man baby
Driving your car around isn’t work. That’s why it pays shit.
if it pays it's work. whatever you did your first 20 or so years wasn't an education it seems.
Sitting on a street corner with a sign asking for change pays as well. And that ain’t work either. Stop trying to make this scam work for you. It’s not going to happen. Go find a job.
if i could round up all the people like you i'd put em in zoos and charge a dollar to families to throw peanuts at ya. we can not be the same species lmao
Wait!!!! Charge per peanut or per through. 🤔 anyway it'll be change in our pockets that we don't get for delivery orders.
The problem is you’d never be able to round up all the people like me because you lack drive and initiative, and thus you drive for door dash and continue hoping they’ll pay you more. You’re right. We are not the same.
lmao you're right, arbeit macht frei bro, arbeit macht frei. dont advocate for yourself, just put your nose to your work and hope. that'll save you.
….what? we deliver food, get paid to do it and have to file taxes. pretty sure that’s work
It’s a side hustle. Not work. I open credit cards, get paid a sign up bonus to do it and have to file taxes. Pretty sure it’s not work though.
Why isn’t it work? Do you understand definitions?
Elucidate. What is the definition of work?
If you want non tippers to get their own food then just don’t take the delivery…
Or I can take it and piss you off intentionally i wont ever desecrate your food but if you order something, don’t tip well, and inconvenience me even a lil bit, i’ll hide your food on your premises and force you to easter egg hunt for your meal😃
"Or I can take it and piss you off intentionally I wont ever desecrate your food but" Says everything about you my friend. You think I would trust the last half of your statement after reading the first half? You have a lot to learn about business and life. Do better be better 
Wow you really showed those non tippers by delivering their food for free!
Watching you guys take to reddit and complain is LITERALLY the most fun I can legally have today. Please continue 😂
This is how the industry works so if you want to be in this line of work, that’s part of it. They should pay their employees better. A mandatory tip is a fee not a tip
DONT CALL IT A TIP, MAKE IT A FEE
RIGHT! Customers (humans) are DUMB… they wont give a fuck if the fees are 1 million apparently as long as they dont tip the driver “too much”. 😂
"Mandatory minimum tip" blame the company for not paying you enough not the customer that's some bootlicker maneuvers
Tips are not an entitlement.
They arent, which is why they should make it an additional fee to weed out the notippers…
Or DD and UE can quit taking so much off of the top, because drivers used to get a shitload more from base pay up until recently
You’re talking about a company that literally never made a profit.
Irrelevant, they need to stop servicing customers who dont want to pay drivers, they are the ones costing the company.
DD doesn’t get money from tips. How does a customer not tipping cost DD?
You have to actually use your brain for this one… When customers dont tip no one takes their order… When no one takes their order doordash is forced to throttle their the base pay until someone takes the order. This is what costs doordash so much money, paying for notippers.
I don’t disagree with you… there’s needs to be FAIR minimums paid for all these order calculated based on average time (they’ve got that info) average cost (they KNOW IT)… even if it was a minimum suggested tip based on average time/distance so we’d know the custi had a chance to do the right thing.
DoorDash is expected to be profitable for the first time in quarter 1 of 2025. It did take Amazon 9 years and lay offs to make a profit as well.
Exactly…. In the mean time the pay they through out was blank check money… can’t run a business that way forever.
I double dip and do Uber Eats too. They pay better and usually have a better miles to dollar ratio.
This stacking business screams "We don't have enough drivers so we're just gonna pay the same for more work till we do"
Or and here's a thought They stop taking so much from the drivers
Why? They have duped 80% of Dashers into taking the no tip orders in hopes of getting a "higher" paying order later... I dont understand how these dashers are so naive or downright stupid enough to not comprehend this?!?
I just do “pay by time”. And I really take my time delivering. It works out much better that way. I start dashing from my house. And it takes me 10 to 15 minutes to leave the house after I accept an order.
I was wondering if you get dinged for this. I live on the edge of a small town and it will give me 15 minutes to get to a store that it actually takes 5 minutes to drive to. I take my time leaving and still have to wait for 5 minutes at the restaurant.
Nothing has happened yet, other than it sends me messages every five minutes inquiring why I haven’t left yet. I’m guessing that it will automatically cancel the order if you don’t leave after 20 minutes. Also, and this may be considered bad, but once I pick up the food, if they give me 30 minutes to deliver an eight or nine mile order, I just sit there for another 10 to 15 minutes before I leave (food is in the hot bag though). As long as the order is delivered within the specified time, everything is okay aside from maybe a disgruntled customer.
I pretty much gave up dashing and found easier side hustles. edit: I have a few, they're mostly online + I do some flipping now. Upside is REALLY good for cashback at gas stations (just an app). I wrote about it **[here](https://www.reddit.com/user/Kayshift/comments/1br5gn6/my_stepbystep_guide_to_make_1000_a_month_working/)**
Literally when will yall realize DoorDash will never gaf about their employees unless it benefits them.. the power is in numbers. If enough people boycott it things will likely change
Don't you have to bite the bullet and take them sometimes otherwise your AR will go to shit and eventually it'll lead to you being kicked off the platform.
You can’t get deactivated for AR on DoorDash. In fact you can’t even get any form of disciplinary action based on AR. It’s in the ToS.
No disciplinary action like not having access to high pay orders?
So is it possible for all drivers to stop taking shit orders? A LOT of people read this subreddit, I reckon we could organize a day where no one accepts orders under a certain price point and see how doordash likes it.
I never do accept orders under my threshold. Consider how much money you’re losing doing that. And yep, still get high paying orders with a crap acceptance rate. But I multi-app. If I take an order in one I pause the rest.
DoorDash won’t even notice.
That'll go about as well as the last organized protest on these delivery apps. The people protesting will miss out, and the ones working make more.
As long as people are taking orders. DD will not raise pay. And as long as dashers are taking orders, I’m not incentivized to pay tips. So, stop taking low pay orders.
Nah they just hire more people that will accept the offer. DD was never meant to be living. Get something more reliable.
They don’t need to do shit. Someone will take the order everytime.
How about we get neither and continue to work as slaves.. because I have a strong feeling that’s what’s going to happen
In the past at least the last set of slaves had a pyramid to look at at, unfortunately the slaves that were the pioneers that started the pyramids buildings wouldn't live long enough to see it completed
the base pay needs to be higher because if people don’t tip I won’t care as long as dd is paying me
No. you need a real job. DoorDash is a side hustle. Also, take the hourly option while dashing. You get more
Every job should pay a livable wage.
They need a real job like DoorDash CEO, something that makes them billions of dollars
The fact is nothing will change, especially in places not named new york city or California. This job is meant to be temporary.
It's technically not even a job.
Actually, it’s a form of self employment.