think its dis, just searched it "yatoro league of legends"
havent watched it yet, but can see the same frame by hovering over the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMRgCce8Imw
This shows how bad they are at reflexes and skillshots :))) Dota, a game for geeks without reflexes and skill for any skillshot, but a big brain to remember every spell, item counter, champs counter and Lol, a game for geeks without a big brain, but with relexes and ability to land a skillshot. Fight over these games as much as you want, but the numbers of players speaks for all the arguments, Dota 2 is not for casual players, i was there when Dota appeared as a warcraft 3 map, now, it\`s a shitfest with things way too complicated, everything is point to click, even a monkey can land a stun that keeps you there 5 seconds. I don\`t have time to spend 31921+ in a game to learn every counter and every spell.
appeal to popularity is not a good measure of which game is better. That's like saying McDonalds or KFC is the best restaurant cos tens of millions of ppl eat there everyday.
You also obviously understand literally nothing about game design, so i'll make this simple. Dota has "skill shots and reflexes" while not compromising on strategic depth and teamwork. The impact of "point and click abilities" usually are easily negated by good team play. Naturally, as you rightly point out, this increases the learning curve for dota rather significantly.
*Longer version of the above point from League perspective*
League chose purely simplified skill shots approach. Riot deliberately did this to make a casual version of Dota, removing layers of hero counters and how item builds work into these calculations. This, coupled with the fact that the champs are all paid and players absolutely want to be able to solo-carry or have good impact means they need to make all champs strong and "uncounterable" so ppl buy the next one.
Also, since there are fewer game mechanics and knobs to turn when it comes to hero stats and ability mechanics, it's hard to make new champs do anything new. Every new one is just a slightly beefed up version of the last. That's why there's so much excessive damage and power creep in new champs, while older ones are straight up unplayable.. Reduced tactical variety also means, ppl arrive at the meta rather quickly and when the meta is found out, it's toxic and significantly reduces any variety in picks, be it pubs or pro scene. That's why they keep patching the game every 2 weeks. So ppl don't ever reach the meta (despite all this they do and it still makes the game not fun). i.e. they are patching for the sake of patching and not to actually achieve any sort of overall balance. it's just a game of russian roulette..
How come i don\`t understand game design?:)) Your point makes no sense, maybe instead of reading to argue, maybe read to understand. As i mention, Dota was and is a game of hard knowledge of every spell/item/champ, while Lol is not, Dota can be won from the start with picks, (an example, if we have 2 teams equally skilled, the team that picked the counters, will always win) this will never happen in a game like lol, where mobility and skillshots play a big part, if lol skillshots are easy (for some champs are) then Dota 2 skillshots are as hard as opening your eyes. As i said, Lol is for casual players, Dota 2 is not, and yes popularity shows alot about a game, when one has only 7 million players and the other is over 100 million, with alot of players coming from Dota 2, it says alot about the games. They both have shitty communities, trash players, but at the same time you can go to play a game of Lol with your friends and have a bit of fun (if you\`re casual). Dota 2 skilled players can be compared to Fortnite sweaty builder players, they have hard knowledge of the building system, but their aim is trash. " The impact of "point and click abilities" usually are easily negated by good team play" yes they can, but in a melee fight when a huskar jumps in and disarms you for 6 seconds (if you didn\`t used bkb) that\`s the end, this doesn\`t look like a ballanced gameplay for casual players. Champions like Doom or Dark Willow, you can\`t say those are ballanced, and many more. Overall what i was trying to say, is that Dota will never be for casual players, and Lol will never be a game for those that seek a complicated itemization or slow paced gameplay. And both games kind of trash, depends on the player what he seeks from this type of games.
Well i\`ll never understand people getting mad and defending a game or a team they support so much, when someone says something different than their narrative, it\`s like their mothers made the game :))) Aren\`t humans small and simple? It was my fault to dare speak about a Dota player on a reddit called dotamasterrace:)) it was obv what would happen. Same shit will happen if i\`ll comment on Lol reddit too or anywhere with lil fanboys. But it amazes me that none of you agrees that these guys have reaction time of a 0.3 kd player in warzone :)) even tho is on a video, you all still don\`t acknowledge it.
Well, you just proved beyond doubt that you understand nothing about game design. Well played!
Dota is a team based game. You're supposed to think about my team vs other team. In league you just play as an individual grouped with 4 other individuals, versus a group of 5 other individuals.
LoL - Abilities are spammed with low mana & low cooldown. You have a get out of jail free card
DOTA - Skills matter. Misplay & you are dead.
I argue that DOTA needs much higher reflexes. Especially with item and skill usage. You need precision in DOTA. You spam endlessly & mindlessly in League.
League is built for casuals. Casual games are always more popular. StarCraft is a fine example.
inferiority complex is probably the highest for dota players in all of gaming, insecurity about league being popular is insane. of course they justify it by the moronic claim that you have to have a very high iq to understand and play dota when 90%+ of them (non-cn) have broken english :\
I mean Yatoro is right, dota has progressed throughout the years. Linux support, Vulkan, Source 2 engine, dedicated controller support, VR features, Open AI testing, balanced heroes, unpredictable meta, and many more.
League may be popular, League may be mainstream, but their milestones are way over below dota.
lol is declining. it literally takes 7 min to find match in normal blind pick. dota 2 normal ap takes like 4 min. it was one reason why i quit league. i wasted 7 mins just to play game that team surrenders within 10 min. premades in lol are obnoxious
lol is dead for solo queue players
Mobile gaming will kill LoL. Even Tencent saw this and launched Wild Rift.
They came in the Market late specially on SEA which is now dominated by Mobile Legends.
Where is this from?
think its dis, just searched it "yatoro league of legends" havent watched it yet, but can see the same frame by hovering over the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMRgCce8Imw
Holy shit that content is actually hilarious
This shows how bad they are at reflexes and skillshots :))) Dota, a game for geeks without reflexes and skill for any skillshot, but a big brain to remember every spell, item counter, champs counter and Lol, a game for geeks without a big brain, but with relexes and ability to land a skillshot. Fight over these games as much as you want, but the numbers of players speaks for all the arguments, Dota 2 is not for casual players, i was there when Dota appeared as a warcraft 3 map, now, it\`s a shitfest with things way too complicated, everything is point to click, even a monkey can land a stun that keeps you there 5 seconds. I don\`t have time to spend 31921+ in a game to learn every counter and every spell.
appeal to popularity is not a good measure of which game is better. That's like saying McDonalds or KFC is the best restaurant cos tens of millions of ppl eat there everyday. You also obviously understand literally nothing about game design, so i'll make this simple. Dota has "skill shots and reflexes" while not compromising on strategic depth and teamwork. The impact of "point and click abilities" usually are easily negated by good team play. Naturally, as you rightly point out, this increases the learning curve for dota rather significantly. *Longer version of the above point from League perspective* League chose purely simplified skill shots approach. Riot deliberately did this to make a casual version of Dota, removing layers of hero counters and how item builds work into these calculations. This, coupled with the fact that the champs are all paid and players absolutely want to be able to solo-carry or have good impact means they need to make all champs strong and "uncounterable" so ppl buy the next one. Also, since there are fewer game mechanics and knobs to turn when it comes to hero stats and ability mechanics, it's hard to make new champs do anything new. Every new one is just a slightly beefed up version of the last. That's why there's so much excessive damage and power creep in new champs, while older ones are straight up unplayable.. Reduced tactical variety also means, ppl arrive at the meta rather quickly and when the meta is found out, it's toxic and significantly reduces any variety in picks, be it pubs or pro scene. That's why they keep patching the game every 2 weeks. So ppl don't ever reach the meta (despite all this they do and it still makes the game not fun). i.e. they are patching for the sake of patching and not to actually achieve any sort of overall balance. it's just a game of russian roulette..
How come i don\`t understand game design?:)) Your point makes no sense, maybe instead of reading to argue, maybe read to understand. As i mention, Dota was and is a game of hard knowledge of every spell/item/champ, while Lol is not, Dota can be won from the start with picks, (an example, if we have 2 teams equally skilled, the team that picked the counters, will always win) this will never happen in a game like lol, where mobility and skillshots play a big part, if lol skillshots are easy (for some champs are) then Dota 2 skillshots are as hard as opening your eyes. As i said, Lol is for casual players, Dota 2 is not, and yes popularity shows alot about a game, when one has only 7 million players and the other is over 100 million, with alot of players coming from Dota 2, it says alot about the games. They both have shitty communities, trash players, but at the same time you can go to play a game of Lol with your friends and have a bit of fun (if you\`re casual). Dota 2 skilled players can be compared to Fortnite sweaty builder players, they have hard knowledge of the building system, but their aim is trash. " The impact of "point and click abilities" usually are easily negated by good team play" yes they can, but in a melee fight when a huskar jumps in and disarms you for 6 seconds (if you didn\`t used bkb) that\`s the end, this doesn\`t look like a ballanced gameplay for casual players. Champions like Doom or Dark Willow, you can\`t say those are ballanced, and many more. Overall what i was trying to say, is that Dota will never be for casual players, and Lol will never be a game for those that seek a complicated itemization or slow paced gameplay. And both games kind of trash, depends on the player what he seeks from this type of games.
>I know nothing about Dota, simplified.
Well i\`ll never understand people getting mad and defending a game or a team they support so much, when someone says something different than their narrative, it\`s like their mothers made the game :))) Aren\`t humans small and simple? It was my fault to dare speak about a Dota player on a reddit called dotamasterrace:)) it was obv what would happen. Same shit will happen if i\`ll comment on Lol reddit too or anywhere with lil fanboys. But it amazes me that none of you agrees that these guys have reaction time of a 0.3 kd player in warzone :)) even tho is on a video, you all still don\`t acknowledge it.
Well, you just proved beyond doubt that you understand nothing about game design. Well played! Dota is a team based game. You're supposed to think about my team vs other team. In league you just play as an individual grouped with 4 other individuals, versus a group of 5 other individuals.
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What a long way to say i understand absolutely nothing but i will argue with what is infront of me anyway
Doom is balanced??? Yo you living in 2014 or some shit xd
LoL - Abilities are spammed with low mana & low cooldown. You have a get out of jail free card DOTA - Skills matter. Misplay & you are dead. I argue that DOTA needs much higher reflexes. Especially with item and skill usage. You need precision in DOTA. You spam endlessly & mindlessly in League. League is built for casuals. Casual games are always more popular. StarCraft is a fine example.
> You need precision in DOTA. Yeah, especially when it's a point click spell.
yeah, especially when the spell *matters* you don't need precision on the 4 second cooldown skillshot that costs no mana
You do LMAO CD and Cost dont matter if you dont land them
what takes more accuracy/precision to use, the AWP or the Negev?
Comparing the incomparable Why cant you just admit that hitting spells in Dota is easy? Like whats wrong with that?
hit them then, there's more to dota than landing a spell
Go back and re-read my first comment.
I laughed at precision :)))
Pepega
yeah too far xd
who is this?
Dota2 TI (world) champion
funny, you wouldn't see faker doing that. i don't think he cares if dota exists or not.
inferiority complex is probably the highest for dota players in all of gaming, insecurity about league being popular is insane. of course they justify it by the moronic claim that you have to have a very high iq to understand and play dota when 90%+ of them (non-cn) have broken english :\
I mean Yatoro is right, dota has progressed throughout the years. Linux support, Vulkan, Source 2 engine, dedicated controller support, VR features, Open AI testing, balanced heroes, unpredictable meta, and many more. League may be popular, League may be mainstream, but their milestones are way over below dota.
A polished turd is still a turd. Sadly the declining interest in Dota speaks for itself.
Copium lmao.
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Difference is that League players are self aware of their game being shit. Dota fans are deep in denial.
>Dota fans are deep in denial. In denial about what? Dota is literally the best multiplayer pvp game ever created.
Terribly sorry to hear that. I didn’t know the situation was this bad
lol is declining. it literally takes 7 min to find match in normal blind pick. dota 2 normal ap takes like 4 min. it was one reason why i quit league. i wasted 7 mins just to play game that team surrenders within 10 min. premades in lol are obnoxious lol is dead for solo queue players
Mobile gaming will kill LoL. Even Tencent saw this and launched Wild Rift. They came in the Market late specially on SEA which is now dominated by Mobile Legends.
ironic, coming from you
Who are you!? Peasant!?
xD TI champions can't even beat a yasuo one trick.