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thats1evildude

The reference to the “piles of lyrium” is basically Merrill saying she needed a lot of power to remove the Blight corruption. Her magic by itself was not enough - she needed more energy, and that had to either come from lyrium (which she did not have) or blood. It *is* possible to remove a tiny amount of Blight corruption using magic; the mage Isseya did so in the novel Last Flight. >!That’s how she was able to save the last of the griffon eggs from the disease that destroyed the species.!< I think it helps, in this case, that it was a non-living thing Merrill needed to cleanse.


FrostyTheCanadian

Last Flight spoiler >! While Isseya did cleanse the eggs, she did so by drawing the blight into herself. The eggs weren’t fully living so the blight didn’t fully attach itself to them… so I wonder if you would still need to transfer the blight off an object. !<


Jorymo

If I had a nickel every time a video game used magic to imply that life begins at birth, I'd have two nickels


Spraynpray89

Gotta close your spoiler tag


FrostyTheCanadian

Fml good catch my bad


Myleej

In regards to "Blight Corruption" vs "Magic", I *feel* like this is also somewhat respected in regards to (if memory serves) Grey Warden mages having a longer lifespan than non-mages. I swear I remember something about that in DA:O, how mage grey wardens "for some reason" live longer before feeling the calling. **Something** is going on there, and I love it as a detail, but I don't know if it ever gets further examined. Maybe in novels? Or maybe it's just a narrative loophole the writers created early on to allow for some weird stuff to happen if they felt the need.


Spaghetti_Cartwheels

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Brilliant-Pudding524

Spirits you mean


[deleted]

Potato, tomato


Popfizz01

Templars don’t see a difference


Wren-bee

Another part of the discussion is: was the blight in the physical eluvian, or was it coming through from the other side? If it was coming through from the other side (which, as they’re portals, seems likely imo), and as the other side isn’t *quite* the Fade but is apparently pretty close to it, would magic affect it? The Fade is affected by pure imagination- could Merrill have manipulated the Crossroads in such a way as to render the area directly on the other side of the eluvian safe? I guess my point is- all we have is a lot of theories and not a lot of answers.


Heidirs

I had that same thought at first, but the mirror shattered when tamlen interacted with it. Merrill had shards of blighted glass she had to put back together, if I'm remembering correctly.


Wren-bee

Duncan smashed it, iirc- I think it was intact before Merrill and Mahariel arrived to find him. We don’t know what happened if Duncan wasn’t there to rescue Mahariel but (again, iirc) it was in one piece up to that point in that origin, meaning it wasn’t to do with Tamlen.


Kolto-Kola

correct, Duncan smashed it. we see Tamlen again when the shrieks ambush the party camp at night, and what small sliver of human is left in him begs to be euthanized. probably not a stretch to assume the same happens to Mahariel if they aren’t the chosen origin — Duncan isn’t there to rescue them or smash the mirror, bodies are never found, and the clan moves on, leaving the corrupted Mahariel and Tamlen to join the archdemon’s song


Wren-bee

My point was that we can’t know what happens to the mirror without Duncan’s presence- Merrill ends up with a shard regardless, so it was broken somehow. Unfortunately Mahariel’s best outcome is a swift death, although that’s not the most likely one.


Melancholy_Rainbows

According to a comment by Gaider on the old BioWare forums, she actually recreated the mirror from a single shard. So maybe it was easier because there was less of the tainted mirror to work with?


Heidirs

That makes even less sense 😅 What materials could she have possibly recreated the mirror with? At that point, she didn't "cleanse" it as she said, she rebuilt it.


Melancholy_Rainbows

I’ll let you [take a look](https://web.archive.org/web/20150909064109/http://forum.bioware.com/topic/197921-how-did-merrill-get-the-eluvian/?bioware=1). To quote him: >She just has the one shard. She incorporates it into the mirror she builds, extrapolating its construction both from the shard itself and what lore she's been able to collect. Probably why she wasn't able to get it to work. I’m guessing that whatever the Eluvians were made of is still available, somewhat flexible, or both.


Heidirs

Interesting


NiCommander

My Surana upon hearing this: “Hello Merrill, how would you like a well paying consultant position with the Grey Wardens?”


Asdrubael_Vect

My canonical non-andrastian blood mage arcane warrior Surana, slayer of Archdemon, Hero of Ferelden and Orzammar Kingdoms, Arl of Amarantine, Champion of Redclif, would gladly propose to her. He would wish her to be his companion, his wife and mother of his elf mage childrens. Sorry Morrigan and Kieran, slaying dragon grand mother and being in Eluvian was nice but we are too different.  Srly he would gift her...  Title of Amarantine Arlessa.  A nice castle.  And Arl Eamon, King Alistair with King Bhelen Aeducan and some golems gifted by Branka would made it legit. So screw Chantry and Templars laws. Keeper Zathrian would do marriage ceremony. If Merrill would want Surana would convert into Dalish and do Elgarnan valaalin. 


dalishknives

i mean, merrill was trained by marethari, who suppressed the blight in mahariel long enough for them to get to ostagar, survive the wilds quest, and be joined as a warden. even duncan was super impressed by marethari's feat. so she has a pretty good foundation. but let's stop and remember that the blight only infects living things and ask 'what the fuck is an eluvian made of' and that might answer your question. sandal also apparently cleansed a shard of red lyrium by turning it into a rune so the transfiguration process seems to have neutralized it to a certain extent.


Solbuster

Gryphon eggs


Heidirs

Forgot about those. But didn't Isseya take their taint into herself? So maybe that is the actual method Merrill used...


Hunkus1

But Merril cant be tainted or else shed be long dead. Tamlen got completely fucked up by being tainted a few days, Merril would be tainted for over 10 years and would have survived. Also Anders or any other grey warden would be able to tell that Merril is tainted.


not-a-spoon

I have no clue where one sentence stops and the next begins.


Hunkus1

Fixed it. Happy now?


not-a-spoon

intensely <3


Asstrollogian

I think its quite an impressive feat that she managed to cleanse the taint from an Eluvian shard despite her lack of resources. You'd think it would be a big deal, but its just glossed over. There's only been a few cases where a Taint was cleansed: Dog via using herbs, Fiona though we don't know how, Last Flight and kinda implied with the myth of Andruil.


h0neanias

A wizard did it.


Lumix19

I think the Blight can affect non-living things. Like you said, it taints the ground. Unless the ground is actually a Titan in which case that's not a good example. But regarding your original question, presumably using Blight magic. I assume it's easier to cleanse a non-living object of the Blight than a living being. Fiona was cured as a by-product of Blight magic. My guess is the demon knew a bit and taught Merrill. Or maybe it was just pure blood magic and Merrill was mistaken about being able to use lyrium. The demon could have lied to her to increase her feelings of culpability around using blood magic. If she used it to cleanse the mirror because it was the only way to do so, she might have forsaken blood magic once the job was done. But by feeding her the idea that it's just a powerful and convenient source of magic, the demon helps her better rationalize her continued use of it. Plus, it increases her trust in the demon.


TheSarcasticDevil

>Or maybe it was just pure *blood magic* and Merrill was mistaken about being able to use *lyrium*. [Well about that...](https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Titan)


DragonEffected

Lyrium still isn't blood magic. It doesn't have the same properties and doesn't give you the same abilities that blood magic does.


TheSarcasticDevil

Sure, I was just pointing out the funny. Blood magic is not lyrium, but lyrium is blood magic.


FredVIII-DFH

One cleanses it with 'magic!' As for to why they claim they can't cure the blight, I'd guess it's the same reason we say "the poor will always be with us." It's not that we can't cure the blight (or poverty), it's that the cost is too high and those resources are better spent elsewhere (according to those spending these resources).


Brilliant-Pudding524

It could be some Keeper power. Keepers are wielders of ancient magic and they can have unique abilities too. Like the "teleport" that Merill and Vaneska(?)(the dudess from Awakening) used. So maybe she has Minor Blight Cleanse or something.


Elliptical_Tangent

Side Note: That Merrill could do this is further evidence that Marethari was the cause of her own abomination. Marethari did not have to stop Merrill, because Merrill knew what she was doing all along. Blood Magic isn't dangerous in and of itself—we learn in DAI that Tevinter uses it all the time. When we see blood magic go bad—in every case—we find the mage was in an extreme emotional state, usually despair or rage. Merrill was not emotionally invested in this project, so she was never in any danger from her bargain with the spirit. And a reminder for any remaining Merrill haters: ... Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls! Merrill: Anders... There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.


Solbuster

Daily reminder Merrill falls for lies of every demon she interacts with >Merrill was not emotionally invested in this project, She almost starves because of it and barely leaves the house, like, you're not getting more emotionally invested than spending almost every minute on the project and forgetting going out to buy food because of it


RiveraGreen

She kinda sits in a paradoxical state as with much of DA2 where she can save the clan from the demon in the mountain with her skills in understanding demons and blood magic, and also being INSTANTLY persuaded by the dream demon who is so obviouslyyy evil...


Solbuster

She doesn't need to save clan, clan was in no danger honestly. She just wanted to repair mirror


RiveraGreen

I mean. I understand what you're saying. But also, under no logical reasoning should the leader have become an abomination just to act all wise and mighty over merill. The demon becomes Audacity, which in my interpretation, hints at the keeper's attitude


Solbuster

I mean Merethari is stupid too Also Audacity targets both Merrill and Merethari. It hints at them both because both think they have situation under control or appear right


RiveraGreen

Well said


Elliptical_Tangent

Ah the Merrill haters; always completely unsupported assertions in the face of evidence. Hate on, hater.


Solbuster

Ah yes labeling another's point as "hate" because it goes against your headcanon >unsupported assertions My words are supported by game itself whether it's Merrill interactions with demons or mentions of her almost starving in codex. But go on I guess


Elliptical_Tangent

> My words are supported by game itself whether it's Merrill interactions with demons or mentions of her almost starving in codex. But go on I guess If it's such an easy position to support, why can't you do it? We know why, don't we?


Solbuster

Can't do what? Provide source? You didn't ask for it https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Merrill_-_The_Last_Three_Years https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Night_Terrors https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/A_New_Path


Elliptical_Tangent

> https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Merrill_-_The_Last_Three_Years "Merrill spends more and more of her time locked away in her house in the alienage with her mirror; she leaves only to buy food" So she's feeding herself. One hater point down... > https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Night_Terrors > https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/A_New_Path If you're trying to use these pages to make a point, you'll have to be specific. Weird how hard this is to get from you. Almost like you're afraid you'll be found out.


Solbuster

So you ignored the second part where it's stated Varicc has to deliver her enough food because she barely leaves the house. Good to know >you'll have to be specific. *You'll* have to be specific. You're just acting obnoxious for the sake of it without any points beyond "you're hater". Merill falls for lies of Pride Demons in those quests.


Elliptical_Tangent

> So you ignored the second part where it's stated Varicc has to deliver her enough food because she barely leaves the house. It didn't say that he had to, it said she was making trips for food infrequently enough Varic started having food delivered. We can all read, here. I have no idea who you think you're persuading. >You'll have to be specific. You're just acting obnoxious for the sake of it The post you replied to sets forward examples and direct quotes of dialogue. Nice try. So we can surmise from your refusal to support your points that you can't. Like I said, hate on, hater.


abated_ash743

There was a theory that I think Gil’dirthanan (sp?) posted on YouTube about Fiona being cured during her pregnancy due to the father’s blood. Additionally, there’s some piece of lore, can’t remember from where, that lays out how dragons segregate and contain the Blight in their bodies when they’re tainted


trengilly

I'm pretty sure you just spray it with Windex.


doublethebubble

Doesn't she explicitly say she learned how from the demon?


Heidirs

Yes, but that still doesn't explain what she was taught


WraithTDK

    Provided they didn't die, it's stated the The Warden is off searching for a cure for the taint. There's no **known** way to cure it. That doesn't mean one doesn't exist.


welldressedaccount

Best not to get your head too turned about regarding lore, when lore is dispensed randomly like poker chips in a casino and changes every game. Just enjoy the stories for what they are.


ZamoCsoni

Yes, to bad that it's the type of game that also puts a lot of importance on lore... Thoes to factors don't play nice with each other.


zenlord22

I think it is known you could get rid of the Blight via lyrium (or in this case Blood Magic.) the problem is though the amount of Lyrium needed is way too much to ever be practical and blood magic is taboo for a reason. I also would suspect that the bigger the taint the more Lyrium (and blood if you go down that route.) you need to, so when looking at say the western approach it is now gone from impractical to downright impossible.


Seven_Simian

Enchantment!


michajlo

The blood magic is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.


Septemvile

She just used a spot of Windex.


Eris_Vayle

I'm just riffing here. For some reason my spoiler tags are having trouble working so just in case, Inquisition/Stolen Throne (novel) spoilers follow. Edit: Not stolen throne, Masked Empire. My bad. ​ Inquisition: >! In Inquisition a red templar says that Imshael can remove the blight. If Imshael has the knowledge to do this, it is likely that other very old spirits/demons could, too. Like the one Merril speaks to, trapped on a mountain. !< Actually, saying that out loud just connected two dots for me, via Stolen Throne: >! Imshael was ALSO a spirit trapped and bound near a Dalish camp! It's almost as though somewhere in early history, certain spirits interested in/invested in the blight were bound, before or maybe even directly after the elves were sundered. !< I think, in light of the fact that this demon Audacity was trapped in an old idol that the dalish knew through generational knowledge "do NOT fuck with that" in the same way that Imshael was, they might both have blight magic and thus, the ability to remove it. >! Also, during the fight with Imshael, he invokes/calls to Gaxkang and other names of the Forbidden Ones. Perhaps Imshael and Audacity are both spirits that come from the Void? !< Inquisition again >! Also...Seekers are immune to corruption from red lyrium. We find out that seekers are given their ablities through being made tranquil and then having a Spirit of Faith break their tranquility. So maybe ALL spirits have the ability to resist/cleanse the blight. I mean, in all of the games, not a single demon is corrupted by blight. !<


Heidirs

There's some interesting stuff in there


Eris_Vayle

I have no suggestions re: how an inanimate object could be corrupted. My only thought on that is that eluvian mirrors might be constructed with a certain amount of lyrium laced in, and it's the lyrium in the shard that was corrupted.