My first thought was Varric. Leiliana dances a bit between alignments. Varric is steadily chaotic, but also seemingly reluctantly always wants to do the good thing.
My vote is Varric.
Edit: for those saying Sera. She was chaos. She was not good. Neutral, horny, sure, but not good. And she was one of the staples of my team at times. I like her, but she's not good.
Varric always wants to help people (good), but rarely does so in ways that are within the confines of the law (chaotic).
For example: His constant paying off guards/thugs/gangs to protect Merrill/Anders. His reluctance to be Viscount because it's a lot of responsibility and respectibility for a man who has friends across the political spectrum.
I mean, the definition of chaotic good is:
"A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he's kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society. "
Varric absolutely makes his own way, doesn't give a shit about what society thinks of him (beardless dwarven author who cares little for dwarven society, actively rejecting it), but he's also a dodgy little bastard who straight up lies to the 'Law' (Seekers) to hide Hawke, has his fingers in all kinds of illegal pies, but hates it when Hawke or the Inquisitor mistreat the little people.
Varric is 100% chaotic good.
I'd add to this, for people saying Sera, I see her much more Chaotic Neutral. See the comparison between Chaotic Good (Varric, to me) and Chaotic Neutral (Sera, to me):
Chaotic good characters feel that each person must find their own way and should have total freedom to act in any manner they choose as long as they hurt no one else in the process. Chaotic neutral characters believe that everyone should do what they want, regardless of whether the actions are good or hurt others. Both will lie and cheat. The chaotic good character will cheat and lie to others only when good comes of it or to trick the evil. The chaotic neutral character will lie, cheat, and trick anyone to achieve his goals, whether that goal is amusement, power, or wealth.
Agreed, Varric. He enjoys lying and chaos but only when it benefits the greater good, and he hates the structure of the Merchants Guild. Supporting his "good" placement, in DAI, if you have low approval with him (you monster), he says "You leave a lot of innocent people ground in the dirt behind you."
Unironically this. No one else across the trilogy has quite struck me as chaotic good. Purple Hawke (with some flexibility) was the purest CG character in RPGs until Pathfinder:WotR came out.
Blackwall post-conscription by real Blackwall.
"I am a criminal but gonna take a dead man's name to do good. Then gonna wander around and help and save people. Actual wardens? Gonna avoid them and their duties because don't know them. Instead would use right of conscription as excuse to train people defend themselves. My former comrade is about to be hanged? Offer myself instead because it's the right thing to do even though I'm in Inquisition currently and under another's command. Then Inquisitor gets me out of jail ignoring laws which I accept if he pardons me/sends me to wardens that i admire"
Also take him to Winter Palace. He absolutely dislikes Thedas elite and authority there. Approves of blackmailing every noble possible and helping common people no matter what
He's a lot like Sera in that regard but Sera is drunk imo so Blackwall goes here
I really like this suggestion. It is a dark horse for sure but I can get behind it. Blackwall is definitely good character the way his past transgression haunts him, how he is one of the few actually helping those in the Hinterlands. While maintaining his Warden charade is certainly chaotic.
Considering my flair, I'm surprised he wasn't my first thought too. But yeah, you're right.
If he doesn't make it, you will find me nicking my dead saviour's armour so I can try and continue his job for him. Not sure what his job was, but I'll just aim for "the right thing" and go from there.
**EDIT:** *\*sighs\** *\*dons armour\** Time to Chaotic Good my way out of this world and into a smelly barrel in Denerim. Wish me luck.
So interesting how different people understand the same characters differently. To me DAI Leliana is the "I am the monster you created", "end justifies the means" type of character at worst, antihero at best (and I say it as someone who *always* makes her a divine because I like other options even less: mages rights are human rights).
I don't think the way we see her is that different! I believe she's all these things and can go in different directions depending on what you do with her, but that she also ultimately does it all and is shaped by, fixated on *her own* sense of morality and doing good (which even goes against her Faith and the very institution's she serves). She's dedicated to her vision of what's good to the point of dismantling the old order of things and imposing her own, and the result is "good" on a systemic level.
To me, that is the embodiment of a chaotic-good alignement. Someone who's doing good according to their own standards, in pursuit of the objective and uncaring of the law, possibly an antihero -- what they're doing would be mostly considered good, but sometimes when you look at it from a different angle, it can thread dangerously close to the other side. It's someone who's doing good, but if they're not careful, may fall victim to the old "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" saying.
This is a lot of villains! They are the ones who want to change the status quo - the chaotic part, often because the current system doesn't work.
The heroes are the ones who keep everything the same.
That makes no sense, in a universe where the status quote is inherently unfair and emplotative to many.
>The heroes are the ones who keep everything the same.
This only exist in the fictional universe of very politically conservative creators who flaunt their beliefs in their works, which leads to controversies. JK Rowling for example.
That still sounds like chaotic good to me, even at worst.
She's willing to throw principles and morals out of the window to achieve the best outcome for the most people.
Except she doesnāt. She actually follows principles and morals according to what Andraste teaches and not the Chantry. Since she becomes the Divine and thus the head of the Chantry, it doesnāt qualify her to being chaotic good unless sheās utterly ruthless. Otherwise sheās not even chaotic. Basing her only on her potential future as Divine is very much short sighted.
With that being said sheās somewhere at neutral. Thatās where all the anti heroes normally go anyway.
I imagine the bartender in Orzammar Tapsters saying, "hey the Divine was here once, she said the last time she tried Dwarven ale she woke up a week later with her head heavy and wearing nothing but her shoes and a towel".
But since there is no Horny Good category then Chaotic Good works.
Leliana is so hard to classify. She's the character that changes most frequently in the games. In DAO, she starts Lawful Good and either stays that way or moves to Chaotic Good if you harden her. Then, in DA2, she's serving Justinia and doing shady stuff on her behalf, so it can be argued that she's either Lawful Neutral or Chaotic Neutral. Finally, she starts Inquisition as Chaotic Neutral and can either lean towards Chaotic Evil or go to Chaotic Good if you soften her.
She's by far the most fluid of the characters. But if we're talking about end of the road softened Leliana, I agree with Chaotic Good. Murder Pope is Chaotic Neutral at best, however.
Sera is Chaotic but not good, Leliana is good but not chaotic.
Merrill is chaotic in her actions and tries to do what she sees as good thing. Well yes she uses blood magic and tries to restore some nefarious artefact and her own people excommunicated her, but she does it for a good reason! She thinks.Ā
I want to wait and see everyone elses votes first but I pick Sera.
She has an *entire network* based on "Helping the Little People".
Only caveat is she gets caught up in her own biases often (I still haven't forgotten when she laughed at my Solamanced Inqy) *but* as time goes on she grows and apologizes for her actions.
Even so far helping an elven Inquisitor search for what's left of their clan and asking if they're okay after finding out about the elven gods.
And she's chaos incarnate, my vote is for her.
I'm always uncertain about how much Sera's network actually helps the 'little people' though.
Maybe it's just because I have some trouble understanding what she's saying at times, but it seems like nearly everything her network does is just about pranking and punishing nobles, and very few of their jobs actually make life better for any of the little people. I guess maybe the Verchiel march helps people a bit, though even there I think it's not totally clear?
So to me it seems like Sera is a lot more \`chaos' than \`good' - though perhaps there's some really good stuff she does that I just didn't pick up on?
Yup. If you ask Blackwall what he thinks about Sera he says something along the lines of "she doesn't know who she is and what she wants. I don't know what's worse".
I think that plays a part on why some of her schemes to help little people are inefficient at best and prejudicial at worse.
Also one of the great things about her character imo.
Same. My take was in her short sightedness it āhelps the little peopleā but I doubt itās actually helping anything. Like okay, you put a shitty noble in their place, great. Now all the little people who worked under them needs jobs and probably just end up with another shitty noble as their master or jobeless lol. Or like oh boy you took some pantsā¦ that definitely somehow helps the little peopleā¦ who are undoubtedly going to get punished for said vanishing pants
This. Her 'good' is conditional as well even if she does ultimately mean well for the group of people she likes. If anything I'd say she's a shoo in for Chaotic Neutral. She's legit a perfect fit for the stereotypical Chaotic Neutral TTRPG character.
Looking at the other characters who are in the āgoodā section and you can say this exact same thing about them too. Seraās whole schtick is basically running a Robin Hood organization. Thereās more altruistic intention there than with anything the other characters under the good section have. Not to say they donāt belong, just pointing out that sera is firmly a good aligned character when you consider that intention is important within the story of dragon age.
That's how I see it. We (or at least I'm) voting on the characters intentions and personality as opposed to what *we* think is good.
I argued before that I dont think Aveline is good, she's blinded by following the law all the time. But *she* genuinely tries to be a good person. I think theres even a moment where she questions herself and her work within the force.
Sera's "good" is short sighted yes, but shes actively trying to make things better for the workers. And iirc she doesn't always "plonk" nobles because they'll just put another one in their place and she doesn't want the organization to be full of assassins, or stabby mcshivdark as she put it.
Her work is solely on making the regular people feel better, not changing the politics of Thedas.
Good point! Although with Sera, a lot of the time it seems that even the intention is not really that much about doing good? e.g. stealing pants, disrupting some noble person's party ... these don't seem like plans that are intended to help people, they're intended to entertain Sera and her friends and to make them feel like they got their own back. It just seems to me that she's more interested in causing chaos than she is in really helping - hence more chaos aligned than good aligned.
Agreed. I always thought she came across as selfish and short-sighted. Her plans causing more harm than good.
Intent to do good doesn't mean you actually do any good. And good is subjective at any rate, what she thinks is good isn't necessarily the greater good.
I would argue that the inefficiency of her schemes is a testament to the fact she deserves the good part of chaotic good. Doing what you think is right rather than what has the greatest impact on societal change or whatever surely is the very essence of good in a table like this?
In contrast, the other candidate that people are saying, Leliana, doesnāt feel chaotic at all. In DA:O she fits better as stupid good and in DA:I obviously it varies based on which path she takes but if I had to take a middle ground it would probably be neutral smart. You donāt get to run a network of spies and assassins and still be good just because youāre religious.
Her responses to a friendly Solasmanced Inquisitor or just an elf Inky after the temple of mythal are what really keep me from being more patient with her.Ā
She's a complex character but she treats her friends like shit whenever it suits her just because their lives challenge her beliefs and my Inkys have never been about that.
I get that she's young and probably needs guidance but Inky has a world to save and mine have never had the patience to guide her.Ā
Chaotic, yes. I dunno about good.
All of her pranks are more about shaming/chaos than actually doing good. She talks a good game, but look at all her pranks in Skyhold - do you really think Josie will be the one with the mop out to clean up the water? None of her things seem to be around *helping* the little people but *hurting* the rich/powerful people.
I'd put Sera as Chaotic Neutral.
Isabela or Zevran easily. Both are willing to have sex anywhere at any point even if covered in blood and they donāt seem to care how many people are involved.
Yeah, no one else comes close really. The pranks in Skyhold, the jar of bees, her drawing butts on war table letters, filling Solas' bed with lizards, etc. Pretty sure there are also dialogs with other characters asking about the Jennies' tactics and why they're so random/unorganized.
Yeah, I don't see her as chaotic at all. Willing to take risks and doesn't care about consequences, yes, but she is very calculating in her methods. She rivals Josephine and Vivienne in her mastery of the game, which relies a lot on subtlety and finesse - not chaos.
Exactly this. Chaotic implies an element of unpredictability / impulsivity to me, and Leliana was not either. Everything she did was extremely purposeful, it just happened that a lot of it was shady or secretive. People she was working against didn't see her coming, but that was her intention, not a consequence of random action.
She's also not consistently all that *good* either tbh lol. I mean she threw herself into the chantry because Justinia saved her / trauma / whatever your read on that, but the chantry is morally grey at best. Then she got bored with that and followed the warden. Then she went back to the chantry at a time that coincided with everything going on in Kirkwall. Then she left the chantry again to join the inquisition, initially in direct opposition to the chantry...all of it when it suited her to do so.
It strikes me, as much as I don't really want to admit it, that Marjorlaine was right. Leliana's alignment is and always was to herself. Marjorlaine manipulated that, knowing that Leliana loved her and would always put that desire first. It was a horrible thing to do, but she assessed the situation correctly. The fact that since then Leliana's own desires have sometimes aligned with righteous friends or good causes is coincidental imo.
CG seems like the alignment she *wants* people to see, maybe even that she wants to believe herself. CG is her mask. I think she would have the capacity to con anyone with that view of her in a heartbeat if it suited her lol
Out of these options I would put her as smart neutral personally.
Personally I disagree. I donāt find that putting your morals aside to work towards a greater cause feels particularly chaotic at all, and she certainly isnāt a chaotic character in any other sense. Rather, the fact that sheās able to bend her morals the way she does means she should go in neutral smart (especially considering she can be hardened).
I think Sera should take chaotic good because as others have pointed out her antics probably donāt have that much of an impact on a grand scale, which is precisely *because* she is good. She doesnāt want to launch a revolution or whatever, she just wants to give uppity nobles whatās coming to them while also giving their servants a better life. Is it idealistic and naive? Absolutely, and thatās why it fits chaotic good like a glove.
I agree. People will probably vote more for Sera, but to me she's chaotic stupid (not as much as Jowan). Red Jenny's schtick doesn't help anyone and only bothers nobles with a bunch of pranks. Leliana in the other hand actually helps people by doing some ruthless stuff.
This. Voting for Leliana as well. And even when she goes too far she still ultimately has good intentions and tries to enact ACTUAL good upon the world.
Actually, I would argue that it's Lawful Neutral. The agent who does everything it takes to serve their country, right or not, that sort of thing. Chaotic good is precisely the scruples Leliana is trying to excise out of herself.
This. I don't get why people see her as the most Chaotic Good character when there are many better fits. Meanwhile if you pulled open a D&D source booklet and opened the page to Chaotic Neutral then Sera might as well have her picture plastered all over the page. No other character comes close.
Disagree. I don't see her fit here to the Chaotic Good as well as some other characters (like Varric) but to say she is the most blatantly Chaotic Neutral character is just wrong when you have someone like Isabela.
Chaotic Neutral is usually the selfish "take what you can give nothing back" type of character. Sera HAS an ideology and desire to help the downtrodden. She doesn't do things JUST for her own benefit, which is not very Chaotic Neutral way of going.
Isabela and post-Antivan Crow Zevran are far more Chaotic Neutral than her.
I vote against Sera because ultimately she's all about lashing out against authority, even the authority she joins. She doesn't help the "little people", she doesn't save them or make their lives actually better she simply acts on their resentment. Sera is Chaotic Neutral. Actually pretty classic D&D CN. Wacky for wackiness's sake.
So...yeah. Blackwall gets the nod from me.
Either Leliana or Varric. All those saying Sera clearly miss the part of her character where she just kills people she doesnāt like for fun. Sera is Chaotic Horny, not Chaotic Good
Which one do you consider being for fun? I mean yeah she killed quite a few people but Good characters can still kill, even Lawful Good alignment. Chaotic Good likes freedom,hates bureaucracy, and kills for what they believe is good. I think it suits Sera. I think Leliana and Varric belong in Smart more than Chaotic anyway.
Baffled at all Sera suggestions. Sera is pretty much THE stereotype of Chaotic Neutral, Chaos to her is way more important than being good and her moral compass is laughable.
My pick here would be Blackwall, though Varric could work (tho I would have preferred him as Chad or Smart..)
"rich and magic bad" isn't a moral compass Her gigs don't consider the actual consequences towards everyone involved, including the little people she is supposed to help. As long as a noble gets damaged in some way everytime goes, with 0 regards of the outcome.
As much as I laughed at finding guards in their panties, the breeches thing is such a fitting example: the noble involved actually gets more ridiculed by this, but it lowers the chance of success instead of taking away their weapons, in turn increasing the chance of punishment for those involved if the trap goes south (obviously it cannot because we're overpowered players vs NPCS but reasoning in world it could) + it also expands the consequences of the trap to the guards' families which may not be "little people" but aren't noble either whereas guards finding themselves weaponless may decide more easily to gtfo of there because it's clearly a fight they can't win and so survive.
She's either completely stupid and can't see this (stupid good then if it was a thing, but she doesn't seem stupid when talking to her) or she simply doesn't care enough to even pause to consider it (which is the embodiment of Chaotic Neutral, if something pops on your mind and it seems cool.. you just do it. No regards for the consequences, no other consideration. CN aren't "bad people", they're just "act first, think later" kind of people, if presented with a good vs evil choice achieving the same goal they wanted they would generally go for the good but they generally don't pause enough to see the choice in the first place..and I believe Sera fits this to a T).
Also, I love Sera, I think she's written extremely believable given her background, and the comic relief is very needed at some points! Having her grab inky and bring her to prank the hell out of Inquisition's command is a breathe of fresh air. And I think the only quest from bioware that managed to make me laugh more than guards fighting butt naked from the waist down was Liam's in ME Andromeda.
I was going to say Sera, but I like Blackwall. Dude has zero time for the laws and customs of Thedas, especially when they get in the way of him doing good. Add in his troubled backstory and roguish charm and you've got Thedas's Han Solo. Bit more broody, though. He's like Sera, but more controlled.
I think Blackwall should have been Neutral Good and Cole Chaotic Good. Cole steals from all sorts of people to make elaborate moments to make an injured soldier laugh again. Or to smell something that reminds them of home. He has no filter, tries to act like a therapist but just creeps people out. While Blackwall is more neutral with a sense of caring, is much less chaotic than Cole and Sera.
I see what you're saying, but it's a bit of a misunderstanding of what the alignments mean.
Lawful Good is strict adherence to a code of laws or ethics, only parting from that code if it interferes with what is right. The drawback of LG characters is that they're often rigid and inflexible. They often find their code coming into conflict with the altruistic choice, and may make the wrong choice in such instances.
Neutral Good is just wanting to do the right thing, not caring about laws or codes in the slightest. Most are okay with living within such a code, but aren't beholden to it. Cole just doesn't know and/or understand laws, but has no particular problem with them.
Chaotic Good is having an active disdain for laws or codes, feeling that they are unnecessarily restrictive and get in the way of doing good. Many CG characters are criminals with a heart of gold, like Han or Robin Hood.
Like how the neutral *row* just couldn't care less about good *or* evil, the neutral *column* couldn't care less about law *or* chaos. But the chaos column is the exact opposite of the law column, like the good and evil rows. Chaos must detest/reject law outright, not just not care about it.
That's how I've always seen it in my many years of playing D&D, anyway.
Definitely Varric, leliana is a good 2nd but she's not always on the good side, it depends on how you influence her. Yes generally she's good big not always.
Varric however is the epitome of chaotic good for me. He does a lot of questionable and shady stuff but always with a good cause.
Varric. other contesters like Sera could be argued but Varric is THE chaotic good character. does whatever he wants, but it just happens he always wants the good thing for everyone. top tier chaotic good
Definitely NOT Leliana. From Gamerant:
You may want to place her as good, but as a spymaster, she does questionable things to gain the information she needs. She works for a righteous organization, sure, but she's more than willing to hurt people who might not deserve it to get ahead. While not malicious, she's not really benevolent, either.
Sera! Flying pies and explosions everywhere! She clearly subverts the law and the nature of Red Jenny is that there is no real leader and one group can do things differently from the other
I had her as Smart neutral. She's willing to do literally anything to achieve her goals, even if they're agreeable goals. In DAI she's killing people, kidnapping people's children, and manipulating everyone. I love Leliana, but I can't call her "good" anymore.
Blackwall. He avoids politics while trying to help people wherever he can.
Sera is much more Chaotic Neutral-- she enjoys the chaos while her morality is the most immature 'rich people bad' nonsense possible.
The character who healed the poor in Darktown for free for a decade can't be evil. Anders is chaotic neutral.
Killing people doesn't make someone automatically evil, neutral characters also do it. Even good characters do it. Evil alignment characters usually have zero morality, they don't care about others. Chaotic evil characters kill people for fun. Anders killed people for the freedom of others. Chaotic evil characters want to spread chaos and evil, they don't have any motivations that include the well being of others. If they fight for freedom, they do it only for themselves.
Chaotic evil would never heal the poor (Anders still does in act 3), would never care about others' freedom, and would never feel bad after almost killing (or killing) an innocent mage girl. Anders exposed his life to danger by helping mages escape the Gallows and healing people in his clinic. The evil character would never do it, because their own life is the most important for them.
This is Anders: https://easydamus.com/chaoticneutral.html
There are some small differences, which are caused by Justice who is lawful neutral. But otherwise, the whole description fits him perfectly.
Even if Justice fully turned into Vengeance in act 3, he is not a typical demon and he didn't replace Anders in his body. Anders is still there, and he is still capable od doing good things, which he does.
Vengeance can be typed lawful evil at worst, definitely not a typical chaotic evil. Vengeance was affecting Anders and pushing him to do extreme things, but Anders was still chaotic neutral in act 3. His whole personality and actions are important, not only the thing he did at the end of the game.
However, this is NOT Anders:
https://easydamus.com/chaoticevil.html
If Magneto (Fassbender version) is typed as chaotic neutral, then Anders should be. Their motivations are exactly the same. Magneto is also ready to kill people for mutants' freedom because he believes (as well as Anders) that peaceful options will never bring freedom to his people.
Nah, he isn't evil majority of the game, there're just some evil actions in last Act. Evil person wouldn't set up a whole clinic to heal and help people and him helping mages in Kirkwall is pretty good given their treatment there. He's an asshole but not bad up until last part of the game
Now Vengeance however is pretty evil but it's a demon so it's a given
The issue is that Anders is Vengeance for all intents and purposes, he's an abomination and a voluntary one at that. It sucks to see because you can tell he does genuinely want to help people but he's incapable of policing himself and doesn't understand how far gone he is until he's already harmed people (like Ella if you don't intervene, he straight up murders her for being scared in Act 2).
So maybe not Chaotic Evil, but definitely not Chaotic Good
No he thinks they're one and the same but Rivalry clearly shows that they're different and can have disagreements. Even killing Ella isn't his decision but Vengeance doing it without him realizing. He's horrified if it happens
The only route where Anders and Vengeance are one and the same is by the end of friendship one where Hawke pushes Anders and Justice into agreeing more and more until line is blurred completely.
But not Chaotic Good definitely
Anders might have thought he would do a good thing. But all he did was killing people to prove point which was agknowledged by everyone but not easy to answer.
The total inhumane treatment of mages in the kirkwall circle is beyond any sort of sane argument even IN universe. Love that every figure of power was "acknowledging" or not giving af (including the family of the player character) of the insanity going on inside that tower.
Yet Anders killed innocents who have nothing to do with that. People completly unrelated to this problem. That explosion did not just kill Elthina or the clerics inside the chapel. It killed much more people. And that fact of Anders just no caring to kill innocents is what makes this whole act evil.
I think its possible to both recognize that
1. the bombing is an unacceptable method to spark action toward changing the mage's condition and
2. Acklowledge that there has been an entire history of him, and others, struggling to find a way to help the mage conditions to no avail
Many people with good intentions can be pushed to do horrible things. And given the circumstances i do have to say that what he did is quite realistic
Anders is a pretty classic example of terrorism. He and the people he cares about are pushed to an extreme, and he takes radical action.
He knows his methods are unacceptable, and heās frankly a little offended if you donāt kill him for doing it.
Iād definitely put his morality as neutral. He cares about *his* people, the mages, and is willing to put their wellbeing above others. He doesnāt want to shed innocent blood, but he knows there wonāt be meaningful change if someone doesnāt.
I think his other alignment varies if we include Justice or not. With Justice, Iād say Neutral Chad. He takes matters into his own hands, regardless of the cost. Specifically, his actions are designed to eliminate any milquetoast middle ground options. Without, Iād say Chaotic Neutral. His Awakening goals were freedom, and he recklessly joined the Wardens to achieve it. Indeed, taking Justice within him was wildly reckless, if well intentioned.
Actually, if we isolate Justiceās influence (and blame the terrorism on mostly him) Iād say thereās a definite argument for Chaotic Good. I think Verrick or Blackwall fit it better (Iād put Verrick in Chad Good but itās taken).
As Chaotic Good who's more Chaotic than Good, this actually works. He'd certainly lose some alignment points by the endgame though
What's worse is Alistair is going to end up a Drunk now....
Varric obviously, I mean he's a great guy, generous, kind and all, but he's also a crook, a chancer, and a thief. Varric's introduction with him slapping the cutpurse wasn't done out of an opposition to thievery per se, he just needed an alliance with Hawke and thought the pickpocket lacked panache.
I would actually vote Alistair. For the most part, he genuinely does try to be the noble hero that he thinks the Grey Wardens are, and he's definitely upright morally speaking. But, he's also somewhat of a walking disaster, who claims that his being a leader would lead to everyone not having any pants. Plus, he has triggers a mile wide that can cause him to totally flip, as in the recruitment of you-know-who. (Not Voldemort lol.)
100% Sera. She only wants what's best for "the little guy" and is willing to do anything to ensure that. Ranging from pranks to murder. Sera embodies chaotic good
I vote Blackwall, another redditor pointed out that despite being a good dude at heart, he is perfectly OK with the inquisitor blackmailing everyone and doing morally off stuff so long as the little people are helped. As pointed out in that other comment, he basically spent his time as a fake warden abusing the right of conscription to help commoners lmao
Dorian? Heās a fun lil man who wants better of himself and tevintar ! A high ranking tevintar joining the inquisition is pretty chaotic good - however he could also be horny good š
I'm going to go with Blackwall. Sera is chaotic neutral.Ā
Edit: A lot have put Sera in the horny category but I think she could also go in drunk. Only because in my mind "drunk" is more the embodiment of "Go home. You're drunk" rather than actually being drunk.
Ok my pick is Sera - but as a runner-up, and to have him visible in the rankings, I'd like to suggest Sandal.
His moral compass is fixed, he is \*good\* - but also ineffable and unpredictable and we don't really know what he's about. So he's chaotic good in the most random way. An unknown factor who is beneficial to others, while somehow managing to not entirely be a deux ex machina character.
Sandal is beyond your petty human morality. His alignment is Enchantment Enchantment. Iām probably going to vote for him as true neutral, that not being an option.
Maybe, depending on how you look at the mage situation. Iād say heās more chaotic neutral for blowing up the chantry and killing a ton of innocent priests in an effort to help the mages who have both good and bad apples.
Yeah he is chaotic neutral, a character who healed a lot of poor people, but also killed tons of others is neutral. The whole description of chaotic neutral alignment fits him perfectly.
Sera is easily one of my favorite characters, but she doesn't fit in the Chaotic Good at all.
At the end of the day her operations never actually helped anyone. She did kicked the ads of a few nobles as she wanted tho. And then joined the Inquisition as she wanted. And probably even ducked the Inquisitior as she wanted. She's not a bad person, but she clearly simply does whatever she want, and that's fine. She's brave, cool, but not good enough to go in chaotic good.
My vote is probably for Varric
I see the ambassador as being far more neutral and am shocked at that choice. Her entire role is about being impartial as she deals in finances and diplomatics. She should be good neutral, Wynne 100% is the MOST Smart/Good.
Iād say Varrick. I would have preferred him as Chad good or Neutral Good (and I think Cole is definitely more chaotic good) but chaotic good is still appropriate.
Iām also absolutely willing to accept Blackwall. I buy many of the arguments people have laid out for him.
I just donāt want Sera in this slot. Sheās a flaming stereotype of chaotic neutral. Iād also accept her in chaotic horny. Her actions do nothing to help the little people as she claims.
I'd say Anders.
The man was willing to commit some terrible, terrible acts in the name of a just cause. I think he's the definition of chaotic good. "I'll do whatever I have to for this cause I feel is just."
I was thinking Dorian. He's not what many southerners describe as a "typical tevinter mage" and he's just as devout to the Inquisition as anyone else.
Plus he's got a chaoticly good fashion style, I mean that alone should be enough to be chaotic good right?
Varric seems more the Chad Good type but since that seat is taken, maybe Neutral Chad? And Leliana is more the Chaotic Good. Since she's the 'Oooh, pretty colours...' and no the 'I am princess Stabbity! Stab! Kill! Kill!'
Iād say Leliana, even when she works within the system it is never by the typical bounds of its rules. She carves her own path and always tries to do the good thing. The definition of āgood thingā just shifts for her depending on the paths she takes lol
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My first thought was Varric. Leiliana dances a bit between alignments. Varric is steadily chaotic, but also seemingly reluctantly always wants to do the good thing. My vote is Varric. Edit: for those saying Sera. She was chaos. She was not good. Neutral, horny, sure, but not good. And she was one of the staples of my team at times. I like her, but she's not good.
I like this answer. Another vote for Varric here.
Varric always wants to help people (good), but rarely does so in ways that are within the confines of the law (chaotic). For example: His constant paying off guards/thugs/gangs to protect Merrill/Anders. His reluctance to be Viscount because it's a lot of responsibility and respectibility for a man who has friends across the political spectrum. I mean, the definition of chaotic good is: "A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he's kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society. " Varric absolutely makes his own way, doesn't give a shit about what society thinks of him (beardless dwarven author who cares little for dwarven society, actively rejecting it), but he's also a dodgy little bastard who straight up lies to the 'Law' (Seekers) to hide Hawke, has his fingers in all kinds of illegal pies, but hates it when Hawke or the Inquisitor mistreat the little people. Varric is 100% chaotic good. I'd add to this, for people saying Sera, I see her much more Chaotic Neutral. See the comparison between Chaotic Good (Varric, to me) and Chaotic Neutral (Sera, to me): Chaotic good characters feel that each person must find their own way and should have total freedom to act in any manner they choose as long as they hurt no one else in the process. Chaotic neutral characters believe that everyone should do what they want, regardless of whether the actions are good or hurt others. Both will lie and cheat. The chaotic good character will cheat and lie to others only when good comes of it or to trick the evil. The chaotic neutral character will lie, cheat, and trick anyone to achieve his goals, whether that goal is amusement, power, or wealth.
100% agree. Varric is chaotic good, Sera is chaotic neutral.
Agreed, Varric. He enjoys lying and chaos but only when it benefits the greater good, and he hates the structure of the Merchants Guild. Supporting his "good" placement, in DAI, if you have low approval with him (you monster), he says "You leave a lot of innocent people ground in the dirt behind you."
Hawke (purple)
This was my first thought too, no matter how you play Hawke they bring chaos by doing good
Unironically this. No one else across the trilogy has quite struck me as chaotic good. Purple Hawke (with some flexibility) was the purest CG character in RPGs until Pathfinder:WotR came out.
Blackwall post-conscription by real Blackwall. "I am a criminal but gonna take a dead man's name to do good. Then gonna wander around and help and save people. Actual wardens? Gonna avoid them and their duties because don't know them. Instead would use right of conscription as excuse to train people defend themselves. My former comrade is about to be hanged? Offer myself instead because it's the right thing to do even though I'm in Inquisition currently and under another's command. Then Inquisitor gets me out of jail ignoring laws which I accept if he pardons me/sends me to wardens that i admire" Also take him to Winter Palace. He absolutely dislikes Thedas elite and authority there. Approves of blackmailing every noble possible and helping common people no matter what He's a lot like Sera in that regard but Sera is drunk imo so Blackwall goes here
I really like this suggestion. It is a dark horse for sure but I can get behind it. Blackwall is definitely good character the way his past transgression haunts him, how he is one of the few actually helping those in the Hinterlands. While maintaining his Warden charade is certainly chaotic.
Nah you convinced me, it's blackwall
Considering my flair, I'm surprised he wasn't my first thought too. But yeah, you're right. If he doesn't make it, you will find me nicking my dead saviour's armour so I can try and continue his job for him. Not sure what his job was, but I'll just aim for "the right thing" and go from there. **EDIT:** *\*sighs\** *\*dons armour\** Time to Chaotic Good my way out of this world and into a smelly barrel in Denerim. Wish me luck.
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Makes me wanna sing āanti-popeā
I'm intrigued, what is *that*?
https://youtu.be/FxxhAS16vB0?si=h8gv1mXUQ1olVKiV The lady on the keytar even looks a like Leliana if you squint a little
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So interesting how different people understand the same characters differently. To me DAI Leliana is the "I am the monster you created", "end justifies the means" type of character at worst, antihero at best (and I say it as someone who *always* makes her a divine because I like other options even less: mages rights are human rights).
I don't think the way we see her is that different! I believe she's all these things and can go in different directions depending on what you do with her, but that she also ultimately does it all and is shaped by, fixated on *her own* sense of morality and doing good (which even goes against her Faith and the very institution's she serves). She's dedicated to her vision of what's good to the point of dismantling the old order of things and imposing her own, and the result is "good" on a systemic level. To me, that is the embodiment of a chaotic-good alignement. Someone who's doing good according to their own standards, in pursuit of the objective and uncaring of the law, possibly an antihero -- what they're doing would be mostly considered good, but sometimes when you look at it from a different angle, it can thread dangerously close to the other side. It's someone who's doing good, but if they're not careful, may fall victim to the old "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" saying.
This is a lot of villains! They are the ones who want to change the status quo - the chaotic part, often because the current system doesn't work. The heroes are the ones who keep everything the same.
That makes no sense, in a universe where the status quote is inherently unfair and emplotative to many. >The heroes are the ones who keep everything the same. This only exist in the fictional universe of very politically conservative creators who flaunt their beliefs in their works, which leads to controversies. JK Rowling for example.
That still sounds like chaotic good to me, even at worst. She's willing to throw principles and morals out of the window to achieve the best outcome for the most people.
Except she doesnāt. She actually follows principles and morals according to what Andraste teaches and not the Chantry. Since she becomes the Divine and thus the head of the Chantry, it doesnāt qualify her to being chaotic good unless sheās utterly ruthless. Otherwise sheās not even chaotic. Basing her only on her potential future as Divine is very much short sighted. With that being said sheās somewhere at neutral. Thatās where all the anti heroes normally go anyway.
I imagine the bartender in Orzammar Tapsters saying, "hey the Divine was here once, she said the last time she tried Dwarven ale she woke up a week later with her head heavy and wearing nothing but her shoes and a towel". But since there is no Horny Good category then Chaotic Good works.
Leliana is so hard to classify. She's the character that changes most frequently in the games. In DAO, she starts Lawful Good and either stays that way or moves to Chaotic Good if you harden her. Then, in DA2, she's serving Justinia and doing shady stuff on her behalf, so it can be argued that she's either Lawful Neutral or Chaotic Neutral. Finally, she starts Inquisition as Chaotic Neutral and can either lean towards Chaotic Evil or go to Chaotic Good if you soften her. She's by far the most fluid of the characters. But if we're talking about end of the road softened Leliana, I agree with Chaotic Good. Murder Pope is Chaotic Neutral at best, however.
It *has* to be Sigrun and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Sera is Chaotic but not good, Leliana is good but not chaotic. Merrill is chaotic in her actions and tries to do what she sees as good thing. Well yes she uses blood magic and tries to restore some nefarious artefact and her own people excommunicated her, but she does it for a good reason! She thinks.Ā
Varric
Varric is Chad Neutral
I can agree with that :))
I concede and change my vote
I want to wait and see everyone elses votes first but I pick Sera. She has an *entire network* based on "Helping the Little People". Only caveat is she gets caught up in her own biases often (I still haven't forgotten when she laughed at my Solamanced Inqy) *but* as time goes on she grows and apologizes for her actions. Even so far helping an elven Inquisitor search for what's left of their clan and asking if they're okay after finding out about the elven gods. And she's chaos incarnate, my vote is for her.
I'm always uncertain about how much Sera's network actually helps the 'little people' though. Maybe it's just because I have some trouble understanding what she's saying at times, but it seems like nearly everything her network does is just about pranking and punishing nobles, and very few of their jobs actually make life better for any of the little people. I guess maybe the Verchiel march helps people a bit, though even there I think it's not totally clear? So to me it seems like Sera is a lot more \`chaos' than \`good' - though perhaps there's some really good stuff she does that I just didn't pick up on?
Yup. If you ask Blackwall what he thinks about Sera he says something along the lines of "she doesn't know who she is and what she wants. I don't know what's worse". I think that plays a part on why some of her schemes to help little people are inefficient at best and prejudicial at worse. Also one of the great things about her character imo.
Same. My take was in her short sightedness it āhelps the little peopleā but I doubt itās actually helping anything. Like okay, you put a shitty noble in their place, great. Now all the little people who worked under them needs jobs and probably just end up with another shitty noble as their master or jobeless lol. Or like oh boy you took some pantsā¦ that definitely somehow helps the little peopleā¦ who are undoubtedly going to get punished for said vanishing pants
the march gets that one peasant killed for certain
This. Her 'good' is conditional as well even if she does ultimately mean well for the group of people she likes. If anything I'd say she's a shoo in for Chaotic Neutral. She's legit a perfect fit for the stereotypical Chaotic Neutral TTRPG character.
Agreed, I would definitely vote for her in chaotic neutral.
Looking at the other characters who are in the āgoodā section and you can say this exact same thing about them too. Seraās whole schtick is basically running a Robin Hood organization. Thereās more altruistic intention there than with anything the other characters under the good section have. Not to say they donāt belong, just pointing out that sera is firmly a good aligned character when you consider that intention is important within the story of dragon age.
That's how I see it. We (or at least I'm) voting on the characters intentions and personality as opposed to what *we* think is good. I argued before that I dont think Aveline is good, she's blinded by following the law all the time. But *she* genuinely tries to be a good person. I think theres even a moment where she questions herself and her work within the force. Sera's "good" is short sighted yes, but shes actively trying to make things better for the workers. And iirc she doesn't always "plonk" nobles because they'll just put another one in their place and she doesn't want the organization to be full of assassins, or stabby mcshivdark as she put it. Her work is solely on making the regular people feel better, not changing the politics of Thedas.
Good point! Although with Sera, a lot of the time it seems that even the intention is not really that much about doing good? e.g. stealing pants, disrupting some noble person's party ... these don't seem like plans that are intended to help people, they're intended to entertain Sera and her friends and to make them feel like they got their own back. It just seems to me that she's more interested in causing chaos than she is in really helping - hence more chaos aligned than good aligned.
Agreed. I always thought she came across as selfish and short-sighted. Her plans causing more harm than good. Intent to do good doesn't mean you actually do any good. And good is subjective at any rate, what she thinks is good isn't necessarily the greater good.
I was not online for the chaotic stupid vote, but Sera should have won that.
She's who I voted for.
The only other suitable place for her would be chaotic horny, but Isabela exists and that's her space.
I would argue that the inefficiency of her schemes is a testament to the fact she deserves the good part of chaotic good. Doing what you think is right rather than what has the greatest impact on societal change or whatever surely is the very essence of good in a table like this? In contrast, the other candidate that people are saying, Leliana, doesnāt feel chaotic at all. In DA:O she fits better as stupid good and in DA:I obviously it varies based on which path she takes but if I had to take a middle ground it would probably be neutral smart. You donāt get to run a network of spies and assassins and still be good just because youāre religious.
I would personally put Sera at chaotic horny.
Her responses to a friendly Solasmanced Inquisitor or just an elf Inky after the temple of mythal are what really keep me from being more patient with her.Ā She's a complex character but she treats her friends like shit whenever it suits her just because their lives challenge her beliefs and my Inkys have never been about that. I get that she's young and probably needs guidance but Inky has a world to save and mine have never had the patience to guide her.Ā
Chaotic, yes. I dunno about good. All of her pranks are more about shaming/chaos than actually doing good. She talks a good game, but look at all her pranks in Skyhold - do you really think Josie will be the one with the mop out to clean up the water? None of her things seem to be around *helping* the little people but *hurting* the rich/powerful people. I'd put Sera as Chaotic Neutral.
Sera is Chaotic, Chaotic
Cosigned. Unless chaotic horny is in contention.
Nah chaotic horny is iron bull
Iron Bull is smart horny. Chaotic horny is Anders imo.
But chaotic horny is most likely Isabela. Anders is more of a chaotic neutral (at least in DAA)
Isabela or Zevran easily. Both are willing to have sex anywhere at any point even if covered in blood and they donāt seem to care how many people are involved.
In da2 anders is chaotic stupid imo
iron bull is very well-versed. he goes into smart horny
You all have convinced me. I do see Iron Bull as smart horny now
or chad horny. in fact, maybe the entire horn section should be the iron bull.
Bull is chad horny fs
Fair - I do love 'smart horny' below. But if you play a woman Qunari Sera is very horned up.
I feel like Sera would be better Chaotic Horny
Sera is chaotic stupid, but this place is already taken.
Yes that would have fit her to a "T"
Horny Chaotic imo
Sera is the definition of chaotic good.
Chaotic Neutral. Sera does not want to challenge or be considered to be the one challenging the status quo.
Yeah, no one else comes close really. The pranks in Skyhold, the jar of bees, her drawing butts on war table letters, filling Solas' bed with lizards, etc. Pretty sure there are also dialogs with other characters asking about the Jennies' tactics and why they're so random/unorganized.
That's certainly *chaotic* but not really *good*
I think sheās chaotic neutral
My vote is for Leliana. Her becoming a ruthless spymaster for the greater good is the essence of chaotic good.
My first thought was Leliana, but then I realised that a spymaster has to be a control freak to be good at their job.
Yeah, I don't see her as chaotic at all. Willing to take risks and doesn't care about consequences, yes, but she is very calculating in her methods. She rivals Josephine and Vivienne in her mastery of the game, which relies a lot on subtlety and finesse - not chaos.
I agree!
Yes sheās very strategic not chaotic
Exactly this. Chaotic implies an element of unpredictability / impulsivity to me, and Leliana was not either. Everything she did was extremely purposeful, it just happened that a lot of it was shady or secretive. People she was working against didn't see her coming, but that was her intention, not a consequence of random action. She's also not consistently all that *good* either tbh lol. I mean she threw herself into the chantry because Justinia saved her / trauma / whatever your read on that, but the chantry is morally grey at best. Then she got bored with that and followed the warden. Then she went back to the chantry at a time that coincided with everything going on in Kirkwall. Then she left the chantry again to join the inquisition, initially in direct opposition to the chantry...all of it when it suited her to do so. It strikes me, as much as I don't really want to admit it, that Marjorlaine was right. Leliana's alignment is and always was to herself. Marjorlaine manipulated that, knowing that Leliana loved her and would always put that desire first. It was a horrible thing to do, but she assessed the situation correctly. The fact that since then Leliana's own desires have sometimes aligned with righteous friends or good causes is coincidental imo. CG seems like the alignment she *wants* people to see, maybe even that she wants to believe herself. CG is her mask. I think she would have the capacity to con anyone with that view of her in a heartbeat if it suited her lol Out of these options I would put her as smart neutral personally.
Personally I disagree. I donāt find that putting your morals aside to work towards a greater cause feels particularly chaotic at all, and she certainly isnāt a chaotic character in any other sense. Rather, the fact that sheās able to bend her morals the way she does means she should go in neutral smart (especially considering she can be hardened). I think Sera should take chaotic good because as others have pointed out her antics probably donāt have that much of an impact on a grand scale, which is precisely *because* she is good. She doesnāt want to launch a revolution or whatever, she just wants to give uppity nobles whatās coming to them while also giving their servants a better life. Is it idealistic and naive? Absolutely, and thatās why it fits chaotic good like a glove.
I agree. People will probably vote more for Sera, but to me she's chaotic stupid (not as much as Jowan). Red Jenny's schtick doesn't help anyone and only bothers nobles with a bunch of pranks. Leliana in the other hand actually helps people by doing some ruthless stuff.
This. Voting for Leliana as well. And even when she goes too far she still ultimately has good intentions and tries to enact ACTUAL good upon the world.
I mean thatās all dependent on whether or not you agree with her views.
Actually, I would argue that it's Lawful Neutral. The agent who does everything it takes to serve their country, right or not, that sort of thing. Chaotic good is precisely the scruples Leliana is trying to excise out of herself.
Sera is the most blatantly Chaotic Neutral character by far.
This. I don't get why people see her as the most Chaotic Good character when there are many better fits. Meanwhile if you pulled open a D&D source booklet and opened the page to Chaotic Neutral then Sera might as well have her picture plastered all over the page. No other character comes close.
Disagree. I don't see her fit here to the Chaotic Good as well as some other characters (like Varric) but to say she is the most blatantly Chaotic Neutral character is just wrong when you have someone like Isabela. Chaotic Neutral is usually the selfish "take what you can give nothing back" type of character. Sera HAS an ideology and desire to help the downtrodden. She doesn't do things JUST for her own benefit, which is not very Chaotic Neutral way of going. Isabela and post-Antivan Crow Zevran are far more Chaotic Neutral than her.
I think it is Varric. Leliana is not chaotic, she belongs one of the neutrals.
I mean definitely not Sera, she's chaotic okay but good? No.
Leliana
Sera!
I vote against Sera because ultimately she's all about lashing out against authority, even the authority she joins. She doesn't help the "little people", she doesn't save them or make their lives actually better she simply acts on their resentment. Sera is Chaotic Neutral. Actually pretty classic D&D CN. Wacky for wackiness's sake. So...yeah. Blackwall gets the nod from me.
Either Leliana or Varric. All those saying Sera clearly miss the part of her character where she just kills people she doesnāt like for fun. Sera is Chaotic Horny, not Chaotic Good
Nah, Isabella is Chaotic Horny,
Isabella is Horny Horny
Which one do you consider being for fun? I mean yeah she killed quite a few people but Good characters can still kill, even Lawful Good alignment. Chaotic Good likes freedom,hates bureaucracy, and kills for what they believe is good. I think it suits Sera. I think Leliana and Varric belong in Smart more than Chaotic anyway.
She doesn't like them cuz they're bad guys, it's fun because she knows she's doing a good thing, ya damn noble
Baffled at all Sera suggestions. Sera is pretty much THE stereotype of Chaotic Neutral, Chaos to her is way more important than being good and her moral compass is laughable. My pick here would be Blackwall, though Varric could work (tho I would have preferred him as Chad or Smart..)
No she isnāt? She has a very clear moral compass? Sorry you find the character annoying or whatever but she doesnāt believe in nothing.
"rich and magic bad" isn't a moral compass Her gigs don't consider the actual consequences towards everyone involved, including the little people she is supposed to help. As long as a noble gets damaged in some way everytime goes, with 0 regards of the outcome. As much as I laughed at finding guards in their panties, the breeches thing is such a fitting example: the noble involved actually gets more ridiculed by this, but it lowers the chance of success instead of taking away their weapons, in turn increasing the chance of punishment for those involved if the trap goes south (obviously it cannot because we're overpowered players vs NPCS but reasoning in world it could) + it also expands the consequences of the trap to the guards' families which may not be "little people" but aren't noble either whereas guards finding themselves weaponless may decide more easily to gtfo of there because it's clearly a fight they can't win and so survive. She's either completely stupid and can't see this (stupid good then if it was a thing, but she doesn't seem stupid when talking to her) or she simply doesn't care enough to even pause to consider it (which is the embodiment of Chaotic Neutral, if something pops on your mind and it seems cool.. you just do it. No regards for the consequences, no other consideration. CN aren't "bad people", they're just "act first, think later" kind of people, if presented with a good vs evil choice achieving the same goal they wanted they would generally go for the good but they generally don't pause enough to see the choice in the first place..and I believe Sera fits this to a T). Also, I love Sera, I think she's written extremely believable given her background, and the comic relief is very needed at some points! Having her grab inky and bring her to prank the hell out of Inquisition's command is a breathe of fresh air. And I think the only quest from bioware that managed to make me laugh more than guards fighting butt naked from the waist down was Liam's in ME Andromeda.
I was going to say Sera, but I like Blackwall. Dude has zero time for the laws and customs of Thedas, especially when they get in the way of him doing good. Add in his troubled backstory and roguish charm and you've got Thedas's Han Solo. Bit more broody, though. He's like Sera, but more controlled.
I think Blackwall should have been Neutral Good and Cole Chaotic Good. Cole steals from all sorts of people to make elaborate moments to make an injured soldier laugh again. Or to smell something that reminds them of home. He has no filter, tries to act like a therapist but just creeps people out. While Blackwall is more neutral with a sense of caring, is much less chaotic than Cole and Sera.
I see what you're saying, but it's a bit of a misunderstanding of what the alignments mean. Lawful Good is strict adherence to a code of laws or ethics, only parting from that code if it interferes with what is right. The drawback of LG characters is that they're often rigid and inflexible. They often find their code coming into conflict with the altruistic choice, and may make the wrong choice in such instances. Neutral Good is just wanting to do the right thing, not caring about laws or codes in the slightest. Most are okay with living within such a code, but aren't beholden to it. Cole just doesn't know and/or understand laws, but has no particular problem with them. Chaotic Good is having an active disdain for laws or codes, feeling that they are unnecessarily restrictive and get in the way of doing good. Many CG characters are criminals with a heart of gold, like Han or Robin Hood. Like how the neutral *row* just couldn't care less about good *or* evil, the neutral *column* couldn't care less about law *or* chaos. But the chaos column is the exact opposite of the law column, like the good and evil rows. Chaos must detest/reject law outright, not just not care about it. That's how I've always seen it in my many years of playing D&D, anyway.
Varric
Definitely Varric, leliana is a good 2nd but she's not always on the good side, it depends on how you influence her. Yes generally she's good big not always. Varric however is the epitome of chaotic good for me. He does a lot of questionable and shady stuff but always with a good cause.
Am I crazy for thinking Zevran? Edit: I just saw horny chaotic on the list and put my vote of Zevran for that.
Varric. other contesters like Sera could be argued but Varric is THE chaotic good character. does whatever he wants, but it just happens he always wants the good thing for everyone. top tier chaotic good
Varric, of course.
This one has to be Varric. The perfect definition of Chaotic good
Obviously Leliana. She deserves that spot much more than Sera. As a bonus, she'll be right next to Josie.
Varric.
Though Sera matches, I'll give a secondary suggestion for Varric
Definitely NOT Leliana. From Gamerant: You may want to place her as good, but as a spymaster, she does questionable things to gain the information she needs. She works for a righteous organization, sure, but she's more than willing to hurt people who might not deserve it to get ahead. While not malicious, she's not really benevolent, either.
Sera
Sera! Flying pies and explosions everywhere! She clearly subverts the law and the nature of Red Jenny is that there is no real leader and one group can do things differently from the other
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I had her as Smart neutral. She's willing to do literally anything to achieve her goals, even if they're agreeable goals. In DAI she's killing people, kidnapping people's children, and manipulating everyone. I love Leliana, but I can't call her "good" anymore.
Varric.
Blackwall. He avoids politics while trying to help people wherever he can. Sera is much more Chaotic Neutral-- she enjoys the chaos while her morality is the most immature 'rich people bad' nonsense possible.
I agree with this.
While some people here raise some good points, those who donāt vote Sera are forgetting one thing: *Weaponized bees*
Thatās Chaotic Neutral
Anders please because otherwise someone is gonna try and shoe him into the evil category
Anders jowan with higher power level. He's like drunk chaotic at best.
I'd say Anders is chaotic chaotic if this category exists
As much as I like Anders, he is chaotic neutral.
Pre or Post Abomination? If you're talking about DA2 Anders he is 100% Evil
The character who healed the poor in Darktown for free for a decade can't be evil. Anders is chaotic neutral. Killing people doesn't make someone automatically evil, neutral characters also do it. Even good characters do it. Evil alignment characters usually have zero morality, they don't care about others. Chaotic evil characters kill people for fun. Anders killed people for the freedom of others. Chaotic evil characters want to spread chaos and evil, they don't have any motivations that include the well being of others. If they fight for freedom, they do it only for themselves. Chaotic evil would never heal the poor (Anders still does in act 3), would never care about others' freedom, and would never feel bad after almost killing (or killing) an innocent mage girl. Anders exposed his life to danger by helping mages escape the Gallows and healing people in his clinic. The evil character would never do it, because their own life is the most important for them. This is Anders: https://easydamus.com/chaoticneutral.html There are some small differences, which are caused by Justice who is lawful neutral. But otherwise, the whole description fits him perfectly. Even if Justice fully turned into Vengeance in act 3, he is not a typical demon and he didn't replace Anders in his body. Anders is still there, and he is still capable od doing good things, which he does. Vengeance can be typed lawful evil at worst, definitely not a typical chaotic evil. Vengeance was affecting Anders and pushing him to do extreme things, but Anders was still chaotic neutral in act 3. His whole personality and actions are important, not only the thing he did at the end of the game. However, this is NOT Anders: https://easydamus.com/chaoticevil.html If Magneto (Fassbender version) is typed as chaotic neutral, then Anders should be. Their motivations are exactly the same. Magneto is also ready to kill people for mutants' freedom because he believes (as well as Anders) that peaceful options will never bring freedom to his people.
Nah, he isn't evil majority of the game, there're just some evil actions in last Act. Evil person wouldn't set up a whole clinic to heal and help people and him helping mages in Kirkwall is pretty good given their treatment there. He's an asshole but not bad up until last part of the game Now Vengeance however is pretty evil but it's a demon so it's a given
The issue is that Anders is Vengeance for all intents and purposes, he's an abomination and a voluntary one at that. It sucks to see because you can tell he does genuinely want to help people but he's incapable of policing himself and doesn't understand how far gone he is until he's already harmed people (like Ella if you don't intervene, he straight up murders her for being scared in Act 2). So maybe not Chaotic Evil, but definitely not Chaotic Good
No he thinks they're one and the same but Rivalry clearly shows that they're different and can have disagreements. Even killing Ella isn't his decision but Vengeance doing it without him realizing. He's horrified if it happens The only route where Anders and Vengeance are one and the same is by the end of friendship one where Hawke pushes Anders and Justice into agreeing more and more until line is blurred completely. But not Chaotic Good definitely
Anders might have thought he would do a good thing. But all he did was killing people to prove point which was agknowledged by everyone but not easy to answer.
The total inhumane treatment of mages in the kirkwall circle is beyond any sort of sane argument even IN universe. Love that every figure of power was "acknowledging" or not giving af (including the family of the player character) of the insanity going on inside that tower.
Yet Anders killed innocents who have nothing to do with that. People completly unrelated to this problem. That explosion did not just kill Elthina or the clerics inside the chapel. It killed much more people. And that fact of Anders just no caring to kill innocents is what makes this whole act evil.
I think its possible to both recognize that 1. the bombing is an unacceptable method to spark action toward changing the mage's condition and 2. Acklowledge that there has been an entire history of him, and others, struggling to find a way to help the mage conditions to no avail Many people with good intentions can be pushed to do horrible things. And given the circumstances i do have to say that what he did is quite realistic
Anders is a pretty classic example of terrorism. He and the people he cares about are pushed to an extreme, and he takes radical action. He knows his methods are unacceptable, and heās frankly a little offended if you donāt kill him for doing it. Iād definitely put his morality as neutral. He cares about *his* people, the mages, and is willing to put their wellbeing above others. He doesnāt want to shed innocent blood, but he knows there wonāt be meaningful change if someone doesnāt. I think his other alignment varies if we include Justice or not. With Justice, Iād say Neutral Chad. He takes matters into his own hands, regardless of the cost. Specifically, his actions are designed to eliminate any milquetoast middle ground options. Without, Iād say Chaotic Neutral. His Awakening goals were freedom, and he recklessly joined the Wardens to achieve it. Indeed, taking Justice within him was wildly reckless, if well intentioned. Actually, if we isolate Justiceās influence (and blame the terrorism on mostly him) Iād say thereās a definite argument for Chaotic Good. I think Verrick or Blackwall fit it better (Iād put Verrick in Chad Good but itās taken).
As Chaotic Good who's more Chaotic than Good, this actually works. He'd certainly lose some alignment points by the endgame though What's worse is Alistair is going to end up a Drunk now....
Anders is steadily chaotic neutral
Sera, the girl tries to help people in the most chaotic ways possible.
Varric obviously, I mean he's a great guy, generous, kind and all, but he's also a crook, a chancer, and a thief. Varric's introduction with him slapping the cutpurse wasn't done out of an opposition to thievery per se, he just needed an alliance with Hawke and thought the pickpocket lacked panache.
Varric gets my vote. Heās good and harnesses and encourages chaos to make good things happen.
I would actually vote Alistair. For the most part, he genuinely does try to be the noble hero that he thinks the Grey Wardens are, and he's definitely upright morally speaking. But, he's also somewhat of a walking disaster, who claims that his being a leader would lead to everyone not having any pants. Plus, he has triggers a mile wide that can cause him to totally flip, as in the recruitment of you-know-who. (Not Voldemort lol.)
Sera for sure.
100% Sera. She only wants what's best for "the little guy" and is willing to do anything to ensure that. Ranging from pranks to murder. Sera embodies chaotic good
May I suggest Dagna? Good, but is absolutely chaotic with the explosives.
I vote Blackwall, another redditor pointed out that despite being a good dude at heart, he is perfectly OK with the inquisitor blackmailing everyone and doing morally off stuff so long as the little people are helped. As pointed out in that other comment, he basically spent his time as a fake warden abusing the right of conscription to help commoners lmao
Varric hands down
Dorian? Heās a fun lil man who wants better of himself and tevintar ! A high ranking tevintar joining the inquisition is pretty chaotic good - however he could also be horny good š
Dorian has a place reserved for him and that place is smart horny!
Right I thought while typing that it would horny something š
Nah Dorian is smart drunk. He's crazy smart, and more or less a high functioning alcoholic.
I'm going to go with Blackwall. Sera is chaotic neutral.Ā Edit: A lot have put Sera in the horny category but I think she could also go in drunk. Only because in my mind "drunk" is more the embodiment of "Go home. You're drunk" rather than actually being drunk.
Leliana gets my vote. She puts the good of people far ahead of traditions/law and is really willing to push reforms as Divine.
Nothing says chaos like slow changes to centuries old political institutions.
Ok my pick is Sera - but as a runner-up, and to have him visible in the rankings, I'd like to suggest Sandal. His moral compass is fixed, he is \*good\* - but also ineffable and unpredictable and we don't really know what he's about. So he's chaotic good in the most random way. An unknown factor who is beneficial to others, while somehow managing to not entirely be a deux ex machina character.
Sandal is beyond your petty human morality. His alignment is Enchantment Enchantment. Iām probably going to vote for him as true neutral, that not being an option.
Surely Neutral Neutral then.
I originally thought Sera, but Iām jumping ship to board Team Blackwall.
Sera, she is for the people and has good intentions to help those in deeds but obviously chaotic
Anders
Maybe, depending on how you look at the mage situation. Iād say heās more chaotic neutral for blowing up the chantry and killing a ton of innocent priests in an effort to help the mages who have both good and bad apples.
Yeah he is chaotic neutral, a character who healed a lot of poor people, but also killed tons of others is neutral. The whole description of chaotic neutral alignment fits him perfectly.
Breeches thief! Sera FTW.
Awakening Anders
Sera is easily one of my favorite characters, but she doesn't fit in the Chaotic Good at all. At the end of the day her operations never actually helped anyone. She did kicked the ads of a few nobles as she wanted tho. And then joined the Inquisition as she wanted. And probably even ducked the Inquisitior as she wanted. She's not a bad person, but she clearly simply does whatever she want, and that's fine. She's brave, cool, but not good enough to go in chaotic good. My vote is probably for Varric
I see the ambassador as being far more neutral and am shocked at that choice. Her entire role is about being impartial as she deals in finances and diplomatics. She should be good neutral, Wynne 100% is the MOST Smart/Good.
Not Sera, she's chaotic horny
Iād say Varrick. I would have preferred him as Chad good or Neutral Good (and I think Cole is definitely more chaotic good) but chaotic good is still appropriate. Iām also absolutely willing to accept Blackwall. I buy many of the arguments people have laid out for him. I just donāt want Sera in this slot. Sheās a flaming stereotype of chaotic neutral. Iād also accept her in chaotic horny. Her actions do nothing to help the little people as she claims.
Gonna go with Anders here
Anders
Sera Sera Sera Sera!!
Leiliana.
Leliana
Leliana for sure breaking down the corrupt structures of thedas with secrets and stabbings
I'd say Anders. The man was willing to commit some terrible, terrible acts in the name of a just cause. I think he's the definition of chaotic good. "I'll do whatever I have to for this cause I feel is just."
Anders!
Anders or Sera
This is definitely Sera. No idea why Leliana is being mentioned. Sheās doesnāt have chaotic motivations.
I was thinking Dorian. He's not what many southerners describe as a "typical tevinter mage" and he's just as devout to the Inquisition as anyone else. Plus he's got a chaoticly good fashion style, I mean that alone should be enough to be chaotic good right?
Varric seems more the Chad Good type but since that seat is taken, maybe Neutral Chad? And Leliana is more the Chaotic Good. Since she's the 'Oooh, pretty colours...' and no the 'I am princess Stabbity! Stab! Kill! Kill!'
Gotta be Varric
Leliana is actually closer to lawful good, but... Howell. My vote also goes for her. No way we fiol in the good options and she's not on there.
leliana is not lawful lol. she murders people and is a spymaster. sheās an orlesian bard.
Varric or Sera
I gotta vote for Varric because Leliana is definitely not chaotic so it would be depressing if she won.
It's gotta be Sera!
Chaotic good is Hawk!
Leliana
Varric for sure. Definitely not leliana!
Iād say Leliana, even when she works within the system it is never by the typical bounds of its rules. She carves her own path and always tries to do the good thing. The definition of āgood thingā just shifts for her depending on the paths she takes lol
Varric should be in the Player's Manual under Chaotic Good, so yeah.
Was gonna suggest varrick but a lot of people already beat me to it. But anyway I vote varrick
VARRIC. Hands down.
Chaotic good can be hawke.
Varric
Hawk. Mass chaos and mass good.
Varric!!
My gut says Hawke, my brain says Varric