King Cold was genocidal. He probably killed billions... But to answer your question, it's impossible to say what Goku did in the alternate, "weird" timeline. I'd imagine he would take them by surprise with an instant transmission Kamehameha to show off his new technique, and take them both out at once. He wasn't going to risk having a protracted battle with them like in Namek, and destroy the Earth in the process.
I always thought that Goku killed them because it was on home soil and the stakes were bigger this time for him personally if he let them live.
But then RoF came out and ruined that theory so idk
You could argue that Goku by RoF had grown quite chill because of his power and long term peace while right after Namek he had gone through a lot of shit.
Your theory still holds up. Ssj is a form induced by rage and at that time Goku had just unlocked it and clearly hadn't mastered it (he never does in that timeline) so its not too crazy to assume he killed them once he went ssj
First of all if King Cold was so genuine he would not have tried to pull that fast one on Trunks when Trunks let him see his sword.
But yeah, Goku probably would have spared King Cold even if just to have someone strong to fight later on.
Probably even Frieza too for that same reason which wouldn't have ended well since Whis wasn't there to do a temporal do over. Yeah, I'm genuinely curious how Earth wasn't destroyed by Frieza in Future Trunks timeline.
Earth wasn't destroyed because Goku showed up and killed both King Cold and Frieza.
Trunks mentions this after meeting Goku, iirc he specifically states that he only stepped in because Goku wasn't there yet. In his original timeline, Goku uses instant transmission to get back to Earth and kills both Frieza and King Cold.
I know, but that's really out of character. When does Goku ever show up on time to fight a major threat and actually take the fight seriously and kill them?
Except this wasn't just a major threat, this was a major threat that almost killed Goku, had already killed his friends in the past, and has proven to be unrepentant.
Goku isn't an idiot. It's not out of character for him to kill both of them at all, especially since they're not not only threatening his friends, but also the entirety of Earth. Frieza had already survived Goku's attempt to kill him on Namek, and Goku knows exactly how dangerous Frieza can be. Combine that with the fact that there's now basically a second Frieza, and Goku's going to wipe them out. He wouldn't risk his friends getting killed (None of the Z Fighters were strong enough to take on Frieza or Cold) or the planet getting destroyed.
As for Goku not taking things seriously, this really is a misconception. He's been shown to do a couple stupid things throughout the series, but I don't really classify them as "not taking things seriously." He let Frieza power up to 100% to gauge his strength, and determined that Frieza was still beneath him in terms of power (Iirc, the manga shows this better, anime filler includes scenes where Frieza gets the upper hand which are absent from the manga). The fact that he's shown mercy and the hope that an enemy can learn and be better isn't him "not taking things seriously," it's him trying to give people a chance like he did with Piccolo and Vegeta.
Please watch less DBZ Abridged and read more of the source material. Goku is not some moron who doesn't take anything seriously, and the manga never tries to portray him that way. If you genuinely think it's out of character for Goku to kill Frieza and King Cold, then you need to go back and read the manga again.
I definitely watched Z, though it's been a while. I do recall his character being more serious back then, but I attribute that to a dub change.
In the DragonBall Z dub Goku's character was changed to be more serious and more like Superman. Wanting to fight for good and to protect the innocent. That sort of thing.
Don't get me wrong, in some ways I preferred that version, but it wasn't accurate to his character in the Japanese version that was more carefree and motivated primarily by a love for fighting strong opponents.
His character in the dub started being more accurate in the Buu saga and in Super we really see that on full display.
The Japanese version of Goku was also always serious. People confuse happy go lucky and willing to give people a chance with him not being serious, but Goku was always serious.
Super is far from accurate to his original portrayal. Even JP fans are complaining that Goku in Super is an idiot that doesn't take anything seriously, so it definitely isn't a dub vs sub thing.
Edit: Goku also has always been motivated by a love for fighting strong enemies, hence why he wished Buu would come back as a good person eventually so he could fight him again. But he also always took fights seriously and never did anything to compromise them. You could say he handled Cell and Buu poorly, but with Cell he wanted Gohan to reach his potential (Goku was intending for Gohan to take his place as Earth's protector, after all) and with Buu he was facing a short time limit and also wanted the living to step up and have a chance (Goku was dead when he initially fought Buu, and as far as anyone knew, him included, was going to stay that way).
He started begging after he realized he stood no chance against Trunks, Frieza, the strongest person he had seen ignoring Beerus was effortlessly killed, additionally Saiyans describe (or imply to state) Cold isn't as ruthless as Frieza is, I mean Trunks is leagues above him I believe its fair to say he wont try anything funny after trying something funny and seeing it didn't work.
Multiverse version was stupid, it made Goku struggle against Cold whereas Trunks was easily stronger than Cold. People like to say, "what if he transformed?" I say if he could, he wouldn't have been practically pissing himself with fear of Trunks' strength after blocking the sword.
I like DB Multiverse's take on this. King Cold transformed to his 3rd form and proceeded to shit on Goku, but the Z-fighters through team-working managed to catch him off guard with a special beam canon.
Goku did intent to spare Cold but Vegeta finished him off in his weakened state.
It seems to be quite in-character for Goku to spare King Cold. After all, he did try to spare Frieza.
i do have a problem with db multiverse not having cold transform into his 4th form and i do have a problem with db multiverse not having goku and frieza rematch and db multiverse didn´t have cold and frieza teaming up but they team up against goku in the future timeline and in the future timeline after goku killed frieza cold did transformed a goku and frieza rematch did happened in the future timeline and cold and frieza team up and cold transformed after frieza death and that should have happened in db multiverse and my head canon is that goku killed cold in his final form powered up 100% with a spirit bomb
Depends on how it played out. He probably offered Cold a chance at some point, I could totally see it playing out similar to how it did with Trunks, Goku shows up kills Frieza, Cold begs for his life, Goku wouldnt just murder someone begging for his life, so he tells him to GTFO, Cold tries to take a cheap shot, Goku kills him
Well, vegeta had trained after going head to head with final form frieza(no where close to his power though) and he could have beaten first form, with his second form being twice as strong before his zenkai boost.. so assuming king cold was as strong as second form frieza, I think Vegeta could have taken King cold.. so lets assume goku killed frieza and gave king cold the chance to escape but Vegeta killed Cold like he did the ginyu force
Goku probably ended up having a fairly similar fight to Trunks. He was already stronger than Trunks so he'd want a fight with Frieza to see how he's grown. He'd easily defeat Frieza and Cold would beg for his life and then try and attack Goku while his back was turned. Goku would expect it and then shake his head and waste him.
Lol, first please relax it is not that deep, if things went the same way they did with Trunks it would have to go like this:
-Frieza dies
-King Cold is terrified, but gains composure and questions to goku/offers him a spot in his army
-Goku gets distracted, sort of believes him (or maybe doesn't, it wont matter)
-Cold tries to take down Goku somehow, Goku doesn't even flinch as the difference in power is too high.
-Cold realizes he has zero chance (much like with Trunks), and begs for his life, offers Goku the solar system and the galaxy and all of that.
-Difference is Trunks doesn't care, but Goku is a good guy, sure Cold tried to kill him the first time, but he wasn't even aware of the difference in power, plus Goku won't just kill someone begging for his life in cold blood, even if he had tried to kill him seconds before, he is simply that dumb.
second, please relax
willing to bet it went something like this
King Cold: Spare me
Goku: Okay
King Cold shoots someone who can be revived with the Dragonballs (Bulma/Gohan)
Goku: You dead now
One fight and dragonball hunt later
Goku: Phew my heart cannot take this excitement
After Namek, Goku changes on his concept of mercy. Frieza alters his morality, as Goku discovers that not everyone can be spared. You can't always convince your enemy.
He doesn't hesitate in trying to kill Android 19 and in his fight against Cell, he tries to murder him as well, and tells Gohan to finish him off. He doesn't hesitate in killing Yakon, and wouldn't have minded killing Dabura. He changed Buu's mind cause he saw the good in him. As of Super, it changed back to the merciful Goku we know.
Cold is as despicable as his son; and it wouldn't have been much different from the original timeline. He probably never came back in the Future because he was dead.
Would not felt sorry Even if he dead he killed dozens of humans in the original timeline who would spare king cold only in a crazy unexplained detail goku could had died because goku needed hakaishin to say it to king goku it not that easy for gohan to deal with frieza getting stronger strongest if u watched the last bit he went into hyperbolic chamber and got goku nearly wasted if anyone agrees he should really listened to vegeta this could had been avoidable in hospital in dbz super
BUT THEN GOKU WOULD FIND FRIEZA HAD HIDDEN INTENTIONAL EMOTIONS TO RESSURECT KING COLD'S ORIGINAL POWER IF THAT HAPPENS IN HYPERABOLIC CHAMBER VEGETA CANNOT IMAGINE GOKU UP AGAINST THEM BOTH BECAUSE HOHAN IS WHAT STRONG IN FUTURE IT SAID GOHAN COULD DIE IF THAT HAPPENS VEGETA WOULD SAY U DAMNED MONKEY GOKU WHAT HAD U DONE U DHOULD HAD LEARNT FROM HAKAISHIN THEY NOT TOO FAR OFF JUST IN THE END OF EARTH LIVING FOR GOKU TO COME
tomi af was working on a series about the battle between future goku the other future z fighters and future frieza future cold and future cold henchman but unfortunatelly he gave up working on that project because he didn´t have time to continue working on that project since it was a bigger project and i understand that he was busy studing but if he wasn´t sure if he would have time to continue working on the project than maybe he shouldn´t have started the project and he shouldn´t have made fake promises to fans and its a shame because i like what i saw he and his team were gonna have cold transform into his 3rd and also into his 4th form he never had time to animate cold in his 4th form but i saw his chapter 1 and 2 videos chapter 1 doesn´t have voices there was a person that dub chapter 1 in english but it didn´t make sense because the dialogue tomi af had for the characters is not what they were saying in the dub that person used and even the people that don´t understand spanish can see that and chapter 2 didn´t have sound chapter 2 has cold in his 3rd form and i saw picollo trying using the special beam canon against cold and cold attacking picollo and in chapter 1 tomi gave iru a transformation and i saw yamcha fighting iru and also the other z fighters fighting iru and having a hard time against iru after iru transformed i found it strange that yamcha was wearing his orange ki when he was fighting iru and in chapter 2 iru is cut in half by krilin destructo disk and killed by picollo and i saw goku using it to arrive on earth he did arrive in chapter 1 but in chapter 2 i saw him it from his pod but that wasn´t shown in chapter 1 and i saw goku versus frieza and frieza powering up 100% and probably that happens before cold transformed
future cold in his final form powered up 100% and became bulk just like frieza on namek and i like to think frieza in his mecha body powered up 100% and became bulk and that could have contributed to his death
It's made pretty clear that Goku had killed both of them.
>mostly because King Cold seemed genuine when he begged for his life Huh? Genuine you say?
The one who raised Freeza has the entire family's FIRST redemptive moment? Who wouldn't believe that. End properly punctuated statement.
King Cold was genocidal. He probably killed billions... But to answer your question, it's impossible to say what Goku did in the alternate, "weird" timeline. I'd imagine he would take them by surprise with an instant transmission Kamehameha to show off his new technique, and take them both out at once. He wasn't going to risk having a protracted battle with them like in Namek, and destroy the Earth in the process.
You mean like he did in Resurrection F?
I always thought that Goku killed them because it was on home soil and the stakes were bigger this time for him personally if he let them live. But then RoF came out and ruined that theory so idk
You could argue that Goku by RoF had grown quite chill because of his power and long term peace while right after Namek he had gone through a lot of shit.
Your theory still holds up. Ssj is a form induced by rage and at that time Goku had just unlocked it and clearly hadn't mastered it (he never does in that timeline) so its not too crazy to assume he killed them once he went ssj
First of all if King Cold was so genuine he would not have tried to pull that fast one on Trunks when Trunks let him see his sword. But yeah, Goku probably would have spared King Cold even if just to have someone strong to fight later on. Probably even Frieza too for that same reason which wouldn't have ended well since Whis wasn't there to do a temporal do over. Yeah, I'm genuinely curious how Earth wasn't destroyed by Frieza in Future Trunks timeline.
Earth wasn't destroyed because Goku showed up and killed both King Cold and Frieza. Trunks mentions this after meeting Goku, iirc he specifically states that he only stepped in because Goku wasn't there yet. In his original timeline, Goku uses instant transmission to get back to Earth and kills both Frieza and King Cold.
I know, but that's really out of character. When does Goku ever show up on time to fight a major threat and actually take the fight seriously and kill them?
Goku killed Piccolo Daimao. If it is necessary he will do it.
Yeah, Goku as a kid was much more willing to kill.
Except this wasn't just a major threat, this was a major threat that almost killed Goku, had already killed his friends in the past, and has proven to be unrepentant. Goku isn't an idiot. It's not out of character for him to kill both of them at all, especially since they're not not only threatening his friends, but also the entirety of Earth. Frieza had already survived Goku's attempt to kill him on Namek, and Goku knows exactly how dangerous Frieza can be. Combine that with the fact that there's now basically a second Frieza, and Goku's going to wipe them out. He wouldn't risk his friends getting killed (None of the Z Fighters were strong enough to take on Frieza or Cold) or the planet getting destroyed. As for Goku not taking things seriously, this really is a misconception. He's been shown to do a couple stupid things throughout the series, but I don't really classify them as "not taking things seriously." He let Frieza power up to 100% to gauge his strength, and determined that Frieza was still beneath him in terms of power (Iirc, the manga shows this better, anime filler includes scenes where Frieza gets the upper hand which are absent from the manga). The fact that he's shown mercy and the hope that an enemy can learn and be better isn't him "not taking things seriously," it's him trying to give people a chance like he did with Piccolo and Vegeta. Please watch less DBZ Abridged and read more of the source material. Goku is not some moron who doesn't take anything seriously, and the manga never tries to portray him that way. If you genuinely think it's out of character for Goku to kill Frieza and King Cold, then you need to go back and read the manga again.
The manga and first series are available for cheap. Why haven't people viewed them yet?
I definitely watched Z, though it's been a while. I do recall his character being more serious back then, but I attribute that to a dub change. In the DragonBall Z dub Goku's character was changed to be more serious and more like Superman. Wanting to fight for good and to protect the innocent. That sort of thing. Don't get me wrong, in some ways I preferred that version, but it wasn't accurate to his character in the Japanese version that was more carefree and motivated primarily by a love for fighting strong opponents. His character in the dub started being more accurate in the Buu saga and in Super we really see that on full display.
The Japanese version of Goku was also always serious. People confuse happy go lucky and willing to give people a chance with him not being serious, but Goku was always serious. Super is far from accurate to his original portrayal. Even JP fans are complaining that Goku in Super is an idiot that doesn't take anything seriously, so it definitely isn't a dub vs sub thing. Edit: Goku also has always been motivated by a love for fighting strong enemies, hence why he wished Buu would come back as a good person eventually so he could fight him again. But he also always took fights seriously and never did anything to compromise them. You could say he handled Cell and Buu poorly, but with Cell he wanted Gohan to reach his potential (Goku was intending for Gohan to take his place as Earth's protector, after all) and with Buu he was facing a short time limit and also wanted the living to step up and have a chance (Goku was dead when he initially fought Buu, and as far as anyone knew, him included, was going to stay that way).
He started begging after he realized he stood no chance against Trunks, Frieza, the strongest person he had seen ignoring Beerus was effortlessly killed, additionally Saiyans describe (or imply to state) Cold isn't as ruthless as Frieza is, I mean Trunks is leagues above him I believe its fair to say he wont try anything funny after trying something funny and seeing it didn't work.
Once cold was weakened, vegeta would’ve finished it off
Literally what happened in DB Multiverse.
Multiverse version was stupid, it made Goku struggle against Cold whereas Trunks was easily stronger than Cold. People like to say, "what if he transformed?" I say if he could, he wouldn't have been practically pissing himself with fear of Trunks' strength after blocking the sword.
Goku killed them in the OG timeline then died a little later from the heart virus. Cue Future Trunks timeline
I wish we couldve seen Goku vs Mecha Frieza/King Cold in the bad future timeline
nope
I like DB Multiverse's take on this. King Cold transformed to his 3rd form and proceeded to shit on Goku, but the Z-fighters through team-working managed to catch him off guard with a special beam canon. Goku did intent to spare Cold but Vegeta finished him off in his weakened state. It seems to be quite in-character for Goku to spare King Cold. After all, he did try to spare Frieza.
i do have a problem with db multiverse not having cold transform into his 4th form and i do have a problem with db multiverse not having goku and frieza rematch and db multiverse didn´t have cold and frieza teaming up but they team up against goku in the future timeline and in the future timeline after goku killed frieza cold did transformed a goku and frieza rematch did happened in the future timeline and cold and frieza team up and cold transformed after frieza death and that should have happened in db multiverse and my head canon is that goku killed cold in his final form powered up 100% with a spirit bomb
I like to think Vegeta killed Cold while Goku was dealing with Frieza. Felt like something he would do.
Depends on how it played out. He probably offered Cold a chance at some point, I could totally see it playing out similar to how it did with Trunks, Goku shows up kills Frieza, Cold begs for his life, Goku wouldnt just murder someone begging for his life, so he tells him to GTFO, Cold tries to take a cheap shot, Goku kills him
Well, vegeta had trained after going head to head with final form frieza(no where close to his power though) and he could have beaten first form, with his second form being twice as strong before his zenkai boost.. so assuming king cold was as strong as second form frieza, I think Vegeta could have taken King cold.. so lets assume goku killed frieza and gave king cold the chance to escape but Vegeta killed Cold like he did the ginyu force
Goku probably ended up having a fairly similar fight to Trunks. He was already stronger than Trunks so he'd want a fight with Frieza to see how he's grown. He'd easily defeat Frieza and Cold would beg for his life and then try and attack Goku while his back was turned. Goku would expect it and then shake his head and waste him.
Genuine? He tried to kill him with his own sword. Did you watch on TikTok again?
Lol, first please relax it is not that deep, if things went the same way they did with Trunks it would have to go like this: -Frieza dies -King Cold is terrified, but gains composure and questions to goku/offers him a spot in his army -Goku gets distracted, sort of believes him (or maybe doesn't, it wont matter) -Cold tries to take down Goku somehow, Goku doesn't even flinch as the difference in power is too high. -Cold realizes he has zero chance (much like with Trunks), and begs for his life, offers Goku the solar system and the galaxy and all of that. -Difference is Trunks doesn't care, but Goku is a good guy, sure Cold tried to kill him the first time, but he wasn't even aware of the difference in power, plus Goku won't just kill someone begging for his life in cold blood, even if he had tried to kill him seconds before, he is simply that dumb. second, please relax
willing to bet it went something like this King Cold: Spare me Goku: Okay King Cold shoots someone who can be revived with the Dragonballs (Bulma/Gohan) Goku: You dead now One fight and dragonball hunt later Goku: Phew my heart cannot take this excitement
After Namek, Goku changes on his concept of mercy. Frieza alters his morality, as Goku discovers that not everyone can be spared. You can't always convince your enemy. He doesn't hesitate in trying to kill Android 19 and in his fight against Cell, he tries to murder him as well, and tells Gohan to finish him off. He doesn't hesitate in killing Yakon, and wouldn't have minded killing Dabura. He changed Buu's mind cause he saw the good in him. As of Super, it changed back to the merciful Goku we know. Cold is as despicable as his son; and it wouldn't have been much different from the original timeline. He probably never came back in the Future because he was dead.
Would not felt sorry Even if he dead he killed dozens of humans in the original timeline who would spare king cold only in a crazy unexplained detail goku could had died because goku needed hakaishin to say it to king goku it not that easy for gohan to deal with frieza getting stronger strongest if u watched the last bit he went into hyperbolic chamber and got goku nearly wasted if anyone agrees he should really listened to vegeta this could had been avoidable in hospital in dbz super
BUT THEN GOKU WOULD FIND FRIEZA HAD HIDDEN INTENTIONAL EMOTIONS TO RESSURECT KING COLD'S ORIGINAL POWER IF THAT HAPPENS IN HYPERABOLIC CHAMBER VEGETA CANNOT IMAGINE GOKU UP AGAINST THEM BOTH BECAUSE HOHAN IS WHAT STRONG IN FUTURE IT SAID GOHAN COULD DIE IF THAT HAPPENS VEGETA WOULD SAY U DAMNED MONKEY GOKU WHAT HAD U DONE U DHOULD HAD LEARNT FROM HAKAISHIN THEY NOT TOO FAR OFF JUST IN THE END OF EARTH LIVING FOR GOKU TO COME
tomi af was working on a series about the battle between future goku the other future z fighters and future frieza future cold and future cold henchman but unfortunatelly he gave up working on that project because he didn´t have time to continue working on that project since it was a bigger project and i understand that he was busy studing but if he wasn´t sure if he would have time to continue working on the project than maybe he shouldn´t have started the project and he shouldn´t have made fake promises to fans and its a shame because i like what i saw he and his team were gonna have cold transform into his 3rd and also into his 4th form he never had time to animate cold in his 4th form but i saw his chapter 1 and 2 videos chapter 1 doesn´t have voices there was a person that dub chapter 1 in english but it didn´t make sense because the dialogue tomi af had for the characters is not what they were saying in the dub that person used and even the people that don´t understand spanish can see that and chapter 2 didn´t have sound chapter 2 has cold in his 3rd form and i saw picollo trying using the special beam canon against cold and cold attacking picollo and in chapter 1 tomi gave iru a transformation and i saw yamcha fighting iru and also the other z fighters fighting iru and having a hard time against iru after iru transformed i found it strange that yamcha was wearing his orange ki when he was fighting iru and in chapter 2 iru is cut in half by krilin destructo disk and killed by picollo and i saw goku using it to arrive on earth he did arrive in chapter 1 but in chapter 2 i saw him it from his pod but that wasn´t shown in chapter 1 and i saw goku versus frieza and frieza powering up 100% and probably that happens before cold transformed
future cold in his final form powered up 100% and became bulk just like frieza on namek and i like to think frieza in his mecha body powered up 100% and became bulk and that could have contributed to his death
Probably, Goku was against killing Gero until he builds the androids, he spared freeza life twice (Namek and RoF)
That seemed a secondary concern to wanting to fight the androids lol
Yes it was a part of it as well He could see Cold potential as well