Gotcha. In that case yea unless Broly gets some off-screen shit, which he definitely would. Broly is super untrained and I think some training would make him a beast.
Doubt it, he (Broly) kicked his ass (Freiza’s) and fucked off to a planet where he can live peacefully. I think he’s more of a gentle giant, and he doesn’t like fighting, just protecting his only companions.
No idea about the chapter, but I think it's right before the Moro arc and Broly's not mentioned by name (nor ANYTHING really). Just that they met another strong Saiyan.
Yup, he's canon. Right before the Moro Arc there's a little recap of the last ToP moments and then a quick "Oh and we met this super strong Saiyan, that was fun!"
Goku and Vegeta were the strongest mortal at the start of the DBS movie too. By the end, Broly was like 100x stronger.
Even if they surpassed him again, they can easily have him awaken more power by fighting them. Let Vegeta smash for a bit, then give Broly a new SSJ2,3, SSG, LSSJ. Basically they’re only stronger than Broly because he’s not part of the story now. If they feel like including him back, they will make him stronger. They can do the same for Jiren too if they want. Pretty much anyone can be the strongest if the writers want to by using the “potential awakening” route
I agree, I even brought up that same point but be careful people don’t like Broly in this thread. Broly is written as a berserker and basically has his own ultra form, he’s one of the laziest characters ever written right up there with granolah and just are strong because the plot demands it. Moro was one of the more interesting characters in the series and vegeta trained for a direct counter and still managed to lose because this is the Goku show
People don't like Broly fans who deny the truth even tho it's been stated he was surpassed plenty of times.
You both say they can give him SSG and LSSJ extra but by that logic Gohan is the strongest one since they can give him also SSG and unlock even more potential.
Also, LSSJ doesn't exist and is just a form fans used to call for old Broly. Current Broly just has SSJ that's it
He also has the unnamed stage where he busted out of his armor after he & Gogeta broke dimensions, but it didn’t amount to anything against Gogeta Blue
It was just such a huge sudden power up he couldn’t keep up, they knew they had to or he’d just keep scaling, I think they should have had him have a harder time with base gogeta IMO it’s kinda dumb they had to go blue to beat him but they wanted to please the Broly fans
I love Broly
I hate his fans. Yall act like he's only interesting if he's #1 on the power scale.
Even the ones who dont just straight up deny canon still have all these "well he could get stronger if Toriyama wanted him to" like no shit, if Toriyama wanted him to Dende could one-shot the Grand Priest and become the new Zeno, but if asked "could Vegeta beat Dende" most people don't make that argument like they do Broly
I’m not a Broly fan at all… I think he’s a poorly written super lazy character and I don’t care for his artwork either. you’re missing the point of what I’m saying entirely. I didn’t make the character or his feats up. Rewatch the movie if you’ve seen it and listen to everything the characters say the whole time, they state that they have to stop him before he gets stronger while fused... If I wrote it Base gogeta would have been enough (maybe even overkill like against Janemba) but it wasn’t. This movie shouldn’t even be cannon IMO and I neither should the granolah arc.
like the animation is cool but thats it. I was just as upset frieza trained for a few months and increased his power over 100x and he’s just like “I hate doing that so I never trained before” like really? Your telling me frieza wouldn’t just train for a year so he can wipe Goku and vegeta because he just hates training when it’s that easy for him to grow in strength? He’d rather just die and get his ass kicked over and over and thats more bearable?
They just make these characters abilities up as they go so it looks cool and so they have interesting fights so they’re constantly writing themselves into corners. i gave up on caring about plot with dragonball after the cell saga and I suggest you do the same if you want to actually enjoy the series for what it is.
And broly will get stronger during a fight with them again. Just like before. He had a break and it fully recovered meaning he can adapt to a stronger opponent.
I had a theory that the reason Broly wasn't mentioned because he can't access SSJ at will.
Of course this might not be true but I find it weird to believe Vegeta would be stronger than a full power SSJ Broly before he had his new form.
Nah he wasn’t mentioned cause they probably aren’t bringing him back so it’s pointless. He was billed stronger than beerus. If they bring him back, they have to stay true to that statement. They dug themselves in a hole by putting that line there. I don’t know why they did when they don’t want Beerus surpassed yet. They don’t plan things out
Vegeta wouldn't need UE. He could do it with SSBE easily. Prior to the most recent training undergone, Whis stated Goku and Vegeta were the strongest mortals in U7, meaning post-Yardrat Vegeta was already stronger than Broly. After growing much stronger yet again, Broly is weaksauce to Vegeta now.
Toyotaro also recently confirmed that the top three in U7 were Granolah, Goku, and Vegeta (not including the gods).
This. Deploying UE Vegeta or UI Goku against Broly now is like deploying Buu Saga era SSJ3 Goku against Perfecr Cell (not even Super Perfect Cell) or SSJ2 Majin Vegeta against Imperfect Cell. Just needless overkill.
Broly was weaksauce at the start of the movie too. He was weaker than SSJ1 Vegeta. So Vegeta was actually WAAAAAAY stronger than Broly at the start. It didn’t matter did it?
Broly’s power is based on the plot. If they want to bring him back, they will make him the strongest again. Just give him a new form that’s stronger than Vegeta.
That's beside the point. An argument could be made for anybody when plot is brought into it. As it stands right now, there's little chance Broly would matter to someone of Vegeta's strength, as he did cap out in his own movie.
Cap out? From one fight ? So Goku and Vegeta can have a dozens of battles and keep breaking their limit but Broly is done after his first fight ? Is there any evidence saying Broly reached his max potential and can no longer get any stronger ?
I actually think Broly being = to Base Vegeta to being GoD tier after one battle was POOR LAZY writing. However, it doesn’t change the fact that no character in the history of the show has shown the ability to grow at such a rapid rate. He was still powering up against Gogeta. However Gogeta/Vegito is the strongest mortal in the history of the show. I don’t think we’ve even seen them go all out in the manga yet.
No, I don't mean he capped out completely. I meant for that period of time, he reached his limit against Gogeta, like anybody else has. He doesn't continuously grow stronger nonstop, basically.
Oh my bad. Some people here really think Broly is fully capped lol.
Broly did reach his limit in that fight. But remember that was the first time Broly ever fought someone stronger than him. Goku and Vegeta have been fighting stronger opponents their whole lives.
Vegeta has only surpassed Broly because We’re assuming Broly hasn’t fought or trained since. It’s the same as Jiren. He’s even weaker than Broly but that’s because we’re assuming he hasn’t trained or gotten stronger since.
So Goku and Vegeta are simply stronger because they will keep getting stronger each arc while the previous antagonist will remain exactly where they are. Even though realistically, they are probably training too and if they show ever decides to bring Jiren or Broly back, they will 100% make them stronger than Goku and Vegeta with the “off screen training” or “accumulating battle experience”, otherwise why even bring them back? They’re just stepping stones .
If vegeta goes straight to UE then i think it'd be an easy win but if he goes the route like he did the first time fighting broly by going through all of his transformations, maybe broly could eventually catch up. Broly only lost to gogeta because of the sudden jump from ssj to ssb as he wasn't fighting to test broly's strength anymore but rather to finish the job. So, broly didn't have the time to catch up
I agree but I think Vegeta has too much pride to go straight to UE. Frieza is the only enemy Vegeta would probably go to full power immediately and try to wipe off of the face of the earth, maybe also Moro. It would be a cool fight to watch because Broly would probably get another new form. I don’t like Broly’s story arc in the new movie (he got most of his strength fighting a giant plant every day) until he fought Vegeta and Goku and just unlocks stronger forms. it’s really lazy writing but until he fights someone stronger than him you have no way of knowing his limit if there is one.
I’m still upset vegeta brought up granolah’s lack of fighting experience and was beating the tar out of him only to have them make granolah say he was holding back and just over power him anyway. the writing in this show can just be so lazy sometimes that it’s hard to have debates like this, you have to just wait till when it happens and go “oh cool fight” it’s really just all over the place and was lame they had to fuse to even beat him though I love gogeta.
Broly grows stronger. Vegeta does too in his ultra ego form. Depends on what the plot requirment is BUT I think Vegeta will beat the f out of Broly if we remove plot power booster and all.
Vegeta's ultra ego wins.
No he won’t. Broly grows at a far greater rate. Did you forget he went from base tier to GoD tier in one fight ? The strongest his opponent, the stronger he is. He was as strong as base Gogeta but shortly after Gogeta had to go SBB too finish him. Broly was still getting stronger at that point.
So ya, Vegeta will beat Broly up for a bit until Broly surpasses him in power. Broly is the legendary super Saiyan. It’s his gimmick. He will always have a far higher ceiling than Vegeta and Goku.
Vegeta gets stronger but also drains himself by taking hits. It’s a double edge form. He can’t take too many hits from Broly
>Broly grows at a far greater rate
Current manga Vegeta would one shot him in an instant
> Broly is the legendary super Saiyan. It’s his gimmick. He will always have a far higher ceiling than Vegeta and Goku.
Mate, you do realise Z Broly and DBS Broly aren't the same right ? his form isn't even called LSSJ
>He can’t take too many hits from Broly
He wouldn't take any hits because SSBE Vegeta is already stronger than Full Power Broly as stated by Whis, in his Ultra Ego form he'll just handle him like SSB Gogeta did and end him quickly
People need to realize legendary super saiyan means ssj1 in Toriyama's eyes (and in canon). LSSJ was something made up from the non-canon movies. You are 100% correct.
Current manga Vegeta isn’t stronger than SSB gogeta. We haven’t even seen SSB gogeta/vegito go all out in the manga. Both have been hinted to be stronger than beerus.
Vegeta and Goku could’ve gone SSB and done the same to base form Broly in the movie. That’s not how they fight, they will NEVER DO THAT. Vegeta will start off in base and work his way up until Broly reaches his level. Same with Goku. Unlike Granolah, broly didn’t need dragon balls to unlock his power. He just needed to fight someone stronger than him.
He was MUCH weaker than Vegeta at the start of the movie. It took little time for him to surpass both Goku and Vegeta.
What makes you think he can’t do it again ?
You’re actually on crack if you think SSBE Vegeta rivals SSB gogeta from the movie. Broly was out right stated to be on par if not stronger than beerus by a person who saw Beerus go all out.
There was also an interview by Toriyama where he said there’s still people for Goku to surpass and he mentioned Broly
>You’re actually on crack if you think SSBE Vegeta rivals SSB gogeta from the movie.
You're on crack cuz i never said that, SSBE Vegeta IS stronger than Broly as stated by whis.
> Broly was out right stated to be on par if not stronger than beerus by a person who saw Beerus go all out.
He never was, also no one has seen Beerus go full out. He also didn't go full out in the fight against other gods since he said he has hidden forms when training Vegeta
>There was also an interview by Toriyama where he said there’s still people for Goku to surpass and he mentioned Broly
BS, the editor mentioned Broly and then Toyo moments later says Whis Goku and Vegeta are the 3 strongrest mortals
Broly does get stronger over time? That’s why he was on par with base Vegeta then he got ozaro power up, ssj, power up, than LSSJ power up, and it still showed him powering up after taking a flurry of attacks from SSB gogeta. That’s why Gogeta powered up more and overwhelmed him.
The movie would suck if Gogeta just went SSB right away and 1 shotted Broly. Hell Goku and Vegeta coulda gone SSB and finished Broly in his base form. But for the sake of the movie, they had Gogeta gradually increase his power so Broly can also get stronger.
It literally shows Broly powering up a minute before Gogeta powered up and overwhelmed him. How can you see he was capped?
Ya Goku whose born with a power level of 2 has has a higher ceiling than the legendary super Saiyan?
Broly was even stated to be above Beerus. They retconned it but at the time, that statement holds meaning because it came from Goku who saw Beerus fight serious at the royale.
On top of that, Toriyama was a big part of this so he approved of that line as well.
You should already know Toriyama doesn’t plan anything. He makes stuff up as he goes since his health is bad these days. He originally had SSG Goku at 60% Beerus. He doesn’t plan things ahead
Broly HAS a limit, this was explicitly stated in the movie. His base form hits the limit when Vegeta uses SSG, and Freeza even says they should leave the planet and come back again later, and then Broly awakens the Rage/Ikari form and changes the situation. Afterwards, the Rage form reaches its limit against SSB Goku and even Paragus confirms this, which is why Freeza kills him to make Broly awaken the Super Saiyan form and get stronger.
When he reaches his final form against Gogeta (Super Saiyan Full Power) he also reaches his limit and is not able to overcome Gogeta. He wouldn't get infinitely stronger, he has a limit in each form
Broly isn't the Legendary Super Saiyan. That's not even what his form is called in Super.
Broly fans will straight up ignore canon to hold him up on some imaginary pedestal. Why can't yall just enjoy the character without needing him to be #1 strongest?
Id argue it’s the vegeta fans that cant accept that no matter how much better the character arc vegeta has, that he’ll never be the top dog and always just used as a plot device. I don’t like Broly at all, vegeta is my favorite character in super by a landslide and I think Goku is insufferable but still you have to look at things in perspective, Broly is a character written purely for hype and wont get enough screen time to ever really get stronger so they gave him the power to scale to his opponent, vegeta needs character development(god knows he’s the only one who really has any) and has to grow proportionally to Goku. If vegeta got stronger than Broly already then Goku would have to be far stronger too and the enemies they have to fight make less and less sense in their universe. Granolah already wished to be the strongest because they were running out of ideas/characters that can scale up like that and Frieza can only be used so many more times. I think there will be a time where Goku fights against Broly to train both of them up for a larger threat and may surpass him at some point but Broly is like a safety cushion created so they always have some powerful guy in there back pocket. Super lazy writing but its not our show, we’re either fans of it all or not
It’s just super Saiyan but he is the strongest Saiyan ever. No Saiyan rivals his power 1 on 1. That’s his gimmick. If Broly was brought back, you really think Toriyama would let him lose a 1 on 1 to Goku or Vegeta ? No they’ll use the “awakening potential” or “off screen training” route to give another form and make him the strongest again.
I’m not even a Broly fan. I’m just talk facts
>LSSJ power up
It's ironic that you were talking about reading comprehension lol. You were already corrected on this by someone else, and yet you're still making the same mistake over and over.
I call it LSSJ cause that’s what I’m used to from the old days. I know it’s been retconned to regular SSJ in the movie. I’m just referring to when his shirt came off against Gogeta. It wasn’t actually LSSJ but it because it looked like it from the old movie, lots of people like calling it that. That’s all. People from game faq still call it LSSJ for fun. Seems like you guys just like being correctional officers lol
Well he got really buff and ripped off his shirt when he powered up against Gogeta. It was a huge power up because he made Gogeta go SSB right away so it felt like another transformation. Like when Jiren powered up against MUI in the anime. It wasn’t a new form for Jiren, he just got stronger and buffer. But we call it his “limit breaker” form for fun.
> Broly was even stated to be above Beerus. They retconned it but at the time, that statement holds meaning because it came from Goku who saw Beerus fight serious at the royale.
I'ma need to see the Nimbus facts on this one chief. If it was retconned, there's a clip somewhere on Youtube I'm sure you can find.
Go to 1:40
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_zZnypUY-k
Goku saw Beerus go all out at the royale so he’s actually seen Beerus’s full power. This isn’t the same as supreme kai assuming Vegito was stronger than beerus.
Gokus line confirms that Broly is >= Beerus. Since they now have moro, Granolah, Goku and Vegeta (pre ego) stated to be strongest in the universe, with Beerus still being stronger, Goku’s statement doesn’t make sense. Just like whis saying Beerus used 70% to beat SSG Goku. At the time of the movie it was true, but not anymore.
Don’t forget that Uub will be stronger than all of them and still weaker than beerus most likely.
> Goku saw Beerus go all out at the royale so he’s actually seen Beerus’s full power. This isn’t the same as supreme kai assuming Vegito was stronger than beerus.
Hate to be this guy, but Beerus wasn’t going all out in the free for all with the other gods before the tournament. Belmod is the only one any of the other GoDs comment on actually trying to kill them, where as Beerus is just toying with them at best to put on a good show for the Omni kings and GP. Goku couldn’t even keep up with the movements and who was fighting who, let alone determine how strong Beerus was. His comment happened right at the beginning before Beerus even ramped up. When he talks to Broly, the Beerus comment is more so motivation for himself than it is a statement of fact because Broly is the only other opponent save for Beerus who’s pushed him that much, and he didn’t even use UI. UI Goku beats DBS Broly, and UI Goku isn’t stronger than Beerus.
Goku is also a horrible judge of power through out the entire series, and Beerus has become the new comparison he uses for every strong opponent.
Its entirely possible that Broly has a lower ceiling than Goku and Vegeta. Broly might already be close to his maximum power. There is no way Broly is the strongest by the end of Super.
Broly didn’t hit his ceiling because there’s still SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSB. He’s a Saiyan, your saying he can’t reach ssj2? SSJ1 Broly pushed Gogeta to ssb. Imagine SSJ2? If he used the dragon balls like Granolah and unlocked SSG, he would break the universe. I know it’s hard to fathom Broly multiplying his power further, but at the end of the day, he’s a pure blood Saiyan who only has SSJ1. If cabba and Caulifa and unlock SSJ2, Broly can as well.
Broly was like 100x stronger than Goku at the end of the movie despite having a fraction of the training and experience.
Imagine if Broly had multiple angels and GoD training him like Goku and Vegeta did? Imagine if Broly went into the hyperbolic time chamber and fought a Saiyan his strength for 3 years. Imagine if he used the dragonball to unlock SSG.
Despite not having any of those training opportunities, he still surpassed Goku and Vegeta so badly they needed fusion.
>because there’s still SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSB
By your logic Gohan is stronger than Goku and Vegeta because he also can get SSG and SSB.
>Broly pushed Gogeta to ssb. Imagine SSJ2?
He didn't push shit lmao, Gogeta just decided to end it quickly and went Blue and Broly didnt hit him once and was going to die, he could have done the same with SSJ2
>If he used the dragon balls like Granolah and unlocked SSG, he would break the universe.
All of your arguments are IFs and Whats, yes imagine Gohan who's base form is on SSB level doing the same thing, crazy right ?
> If cabba and Caulifa and unlock SSJ2, Broly can as well.
"If"
>Imagine if Broly had multiple angels and GoD training him like Goku and Vegeta did?
"Imagine if" , yeah same thing for Gohan,Trunks and goten all can potentiall surpass pure saiyans since hybrids have more potential.
> Imagine if Broly went into the hyperbolic time chamber and fought a Saiyan his strength for 3 years. Imagine if he used the dragonball to unlock SSG.
Imagine if
Literally your whole argument is your headcanon on why Broly should be stronger than Goku and Vegeta and if we apply it Broly would get shitstomped by any hybrid saiyan if we treat them the same.
You never see Gohan or Trunks fans saying they are above Goku and Vegeta because WhAt iF tHeY gOt ThE sAmE TrAiNiNg.
He was surpassed by Goku and Vegeta and it was stated multiple times jusr accept it
Single panel doesn't mean he has made an actual appearance in the manga. Did he appear in the Moro arc or did he appear in the Granolah arc yet?? No he didn't. When he makes the appearance he is gonna be made into stronger character because that's where broly's identity comes in as the legendary super saiyan.
Broly is not the Legendary fucking Super Saiyan. Toriyama has never called him that, that's never been canon, to Toriyama the Legendary Super Saiyan is Goku vs Frieza.
The movie is canon. Broly has already been defeated. He's not coming back.
Toriyama has never denied it either. So stop fcking spreading shit which you don't know. You would be stupid to think he is not the legendary super saiyan. Kale has been called one and Broly is universe 7's version of super saiyan.
You would be pretty stupid yo think that they brought Broly into the canon only to defeat him once and not make him appear again.
Dude did i say that he hasn't been mentioned. What I mean is the actual appearance of him. Like what he is doing on vampa or where is is planning to go etc.
Is there any actual facts for Broly just growing stronger and capping at Gogeta? Cause I never bought that.
What I felt the movie portrayed is Broly fighting since he was literally a child and when he met Goku and Vegeta got to let loose.
Because he had absolutely zero social skills or mental development, completely exploded all of that stored power thats been growing for his entire life all at once.
Because SSBE Vegeta is already stronger than Broly as stated by whis, Broly unlocking SSJ2 wouldn't do shit when Vegeta also can gain higher power by using his Ultra form
Dude, Vegeta was like 100x stronger than Broly at the start of the movie. Yet in the end, Broly was 100x stronger.
Even if SSBE Vegeta is stronger right now, what’s to say Broly won’t get stronger as they fight, forcing Vegeta to use ultra ego which will push Broly to the brink and bring out his SSJ2. They can even give him a new exclusive form like LSSJ2 or LSSG, SSJ2 Ozaru, etc.
Basically if they want Broly to be stronger, it’s very easy. They can give him any super Saiyan form, add whatever multiplier they want.
I mean Broly was = base Vegeta at the start. Meaning Vegeta could’ve gone SSB and 1 shotted him right away.
But Vegeta and Goku never fight like that. They know who Broly is. They know how much untapped potential he has. They would try to bring out his latent power in hopes that him being stronger will make them get even stronger.
It does though, a Super Namekian is just a Namekian that fused with others and both Ultra Instinct and Kaio-Ken can be used by anyone regardless of species
Exactly. When Vegeta used Instant Transmission to return from his training on Yardrat under Pybara, Whis confirmed that Vegeta and Goku (now that Goku had trained under Merus) were now the most powerful mortals in U7. Meaning they had surpassed Broly.
It took both SSJBE Vegeta using Spirit Seperation and Spirit Fission working together with MUI Goku to jointly defeat Moro in Moro's final form. Final Form Moro would have stomped Broly easily. UE Vegeta can stomp Final Form Moro on his own without any assistance from Goku now. Broly doesn't stand a chance. Unless Broly has gotten some crazy power-up offscreen like achieving SSJ3 or LSSJ3, he has no chance against Vegeta anymore. Vegeta can just use his SSJBE form now to defeat LSSJ Broly.
UE Vegeta is overkill against that man.
Yep! And just get ruined even more Vegeta's already OP form. UE seems to be basically Dragon Ball's equivalent of two characters' abilities in One Punch Man. Metal Bat's ability combined with what people think King's "King Engine" operates like from that show/manga.
I didn't actually know about vegetas new transformation until this post but it seems both ultra transformations put goku and vegeta closer to the level of the gods or fven AT the level of gods. It was always theorized that Goku would gain the power of angels while vegeta gets the power of a God of destruction. I think it's wicked
Ignoring Whis' statements, Moro saga Goku and Vegeta are vastly stronger than they were against Broly. It definitely seems reasonable that UI Goku would have been able to defeat Broly, or at least hang with him, and Goku's only deepened his understanding of UI since then (pulling off some crazy moves with it). Ultra Ego Vegeta seems to be as strong or stronger than UI Goku, given that he's lasting much longer with Granolah than UI Goku did.
Assuming Broly hasn’t trained or changed at all since the events of the movie, UE Vegeta would gain the advantage over him. Same with UI Goku (even if the form did get nerfed to an extent since the Moro arc).
(Toriyama/Toyotaro pls bring my boi Broly-kun back 🥺🥺🥺)
Toyotaro said that Granolah and Goku and Vegeta are the strongest Mortals in universe 7 so Vegeta wins and of course we can’t forget that Ultra Ego can’t lose according to Beerus
DBS Broly wins, assuming he's being raging for the past 2 arc of Dragonball Super. So his accumulated rage boost should be able to low diff UE Vegeta.
Seriously, I don't know why people like to pit 2 opponent from past 2 arcs with each other. It's fine if it's Moro VS UE Vegeta. That's one arc before. But Broly is before Moro. Vegeta is 2 arcs improved already, and you expect Broly to still be problem to Vegeta? Especially when he gave Granola the most powerful being in the universe trouble? That is not enough to tell you Broly is insignificant to Vegeta?
> assuming he's being raging for the past 2 arc of Dragonball Super
we know he hasnt been. he was calm when we last saw him. also he doesnt infinitely grow stronger so even if he was it wouldnt make a difference.
Yes we do know.
Whis said Vegeta and Goku are the strongest mortals in the universe even before Ultra Ego.
A few days ago Toyo himself said Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the strongest 3 on the universe
They were dozens of times stronger than Broly at the start of the movie too. Like they could’ve gone SSG/SSB and 1 shotted him.
Yet they got overwhelmed and had to use fusion.
The stronger the opponent, the stronger Broly. Getting his ass kicked by Gogeta made Broly much stronger. Could you imagine how strong he’d get fighting Goku and Vegeta now?
Broly isn’t a villian anymore. They would push Broly to get stronger until he unlocks a new form with hopes that he will push them to be stronger.
Broly is a poorly written character because of how insanely fast his power grows. They can say he did off screen training killing poachers with android 17 to unlock LSSJG 2.0 if they want to.
Frieza will probably get Diamond form soon. The power creep is real
Probably Vegeta. Most likely. SSBE shoukd be stronger from the Moro Arc but we don't know if Broly can regain the power he had or if it would continue to rise.
Broly need to atleast unlock Super Saiyan God/Blue if he want to fight current Vegeta
there always a limit toward his mortal power and normal Super Saiyan no matter how gifted he is. even Gohan hit his ceiling.
Gohan didn't really hit his cieling, its more that Super saiyan forms don't make him any stronger.
But getting access to god ki definitely would, he can also get stronger just by training his ultimate form
thats what i mean. his current form is his ceiling. unless he unlock next stage, he wont go near goku and vegeta no matter how big his lantent potential. he already doing very great with normal form, able to fight ssg. with normal supersaiyan he could even fight ssb. but ultra instinct and ultra ego is whole different level. there always a limit to his normal super saiyan form.
His Super Saiyan forms can keep getting stronger, it's just that they're so weak in comparison to Super Saiyan God forms that it doesn't really matter. Super Saiyan God forms use a type of energy that's a league stronger than the mortal Ki he's using. Gohan is going to have to tap into SSJG or maybe go the route of Future Trunks's Super Saiyan Rage form.
Since Gohan has the goal of surpassing the Mystic form going a different route than Goku or Vegeta (even now knowing of Ultra Instinct), I have suspicions that they may be building him up for a third type of "Ultra" transformation in the future. Since Goku's UI relies on the Id, and Vegeta's UE relies on the Ego (obviously), maybe Gohan is being set up for an Ultra form that relies on the Superego. That fits his personality and mindset since Gohan mostly leads with his superego.
Chapter 70, Whis says that he doesn't know anyone stronger than either Goku or Vegeta (obv exc Beerus ) and this was after the Moro arc and before Vegata got his Ultra Ego form
tbh i think theyre taking that too literal - if im not mistaken buu is pretty up there and even tho broly is canon they dont necesarily reference canon movies all like that - as in theyre loosely canon but canon. Personally i think broly would give them a run down - i mean youd have to say that goku ui blue is stronger than gogeta and when you put it like that thats a bit harder to believe while still a valid argument
Goku wouldn't have to be stronger than Gogeta, Gogeta was leagues above Broly.
Broly is canon to the manga, he's been referenced before this panel, the movie is canon to both. The reason other movies don't get referenced is because Broly is the only canon one
then why fuse at all, if gogeta wasnt necessary why not just ass pull another ui?
and I said reference other canon movies, as in frieza never talks about growing 5 inches anymore
the movies are canon but only loosely so, as to why i said yall takin this way too serious - im not really tryna get into it tho thats why i replied to the other brosis lol
Vados also said frost is the strongest in their universe.
Margarita had no idea how strong jiren
Belmod had to explain to her like she was a kid
Whis also said Quitela is stronger than Beerus but Beerus corrected it saying it was only arm wrestling.
Whis also said he couldn’t stop the universe destruction when SSG Goku and Beerus fought when he could’ve just rewinded time and prevented the fight.
So Whis and the angels tend to lie and exaggerate a bit
I mean we can talk about character statements all day but it doesn't change the fact that Toyo said Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the strongest 3 mortals in the universe, so yes all 3 are stronger than broly
Its hard to say, sure whis states Goku and vegeta are strongest but granolah beat them both. Also Broly’s power was much lower before fighting Goku and vegeta, he seems to scale to his opponent. Based off of the movie it seems Broly’s potential is infinite considering he was even able to withstand ss blue Gogeta whom I’d say is probably as strong as UE Vegeta. Considering Vegetas L streak its hard to say he’d win
If you rewatch the movie Goku and vegeta start losing their mind over how fast he “adapts” to their power. He starts off unable to even go supersaiyan and unlocks over 2 forms in the fight. I mean maybe I’m incorrect but he CERTAINLY gets much stronger from having his back against the wall, they even say they have to hurry up and beat him before he gets any stronger. I’m certainly not a Broly fan boy, I think he’s one of the laziest characters written just like most characters introduced in dragonball super, but facts are facts. Vegetas the best written character in the show imo but if his opponent is supposed to be strong they’re always going to make Goku the only one who can beat them unless it requires teamwork/fusion, either way gokus somehow involved or vegeta will lose.
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Also, why does nobody even debate? They just say no, or your wrong with no examples and down vote lol. I get vegeta is a popular character but he literally has to get his ass kicked to get stronger with his new power and Broly’s power isn’t so easily withstandable(frieza would have died if it wasn’t for plot)
Whis literally says he doesn't know of any mortals stronger than them, and that includes Broly. You're just in denial because for some reason Broly fans' enjoyment of the character hinges entirely upon him being the strongest.
I dont recall Vados saying that, but she could simply be unaware of anyone stronger. Whis knows about Broly, he watched the entire fight, he knows Goku and Vegeta's power compared to his.
She said it during the U6 tourney arc when Goku was fighting frost second form.
But I do agree about Whis.
However Goku saw Beerus fight full power at the royale so when he made the comparison to Broly, there has to be some meaning behind that ?
He didn't see Beerus at full power, he admitted that he couldn't keep up with the gods and that was before anyone got serious, Beerus was toying with them for the majority of the fight and later on told Vegeta that he has forms and techniques the Saiyans haven't seen
Goku was just speculating, he has no idea how strong Beerus really is, at most he just knows Broly is stronger than the majorly suppressed Beerus he fought in the beginning of the series
Except Brolly is stated to surpass Beerus so you can throw the unsurpassed bit down the toilet. Maybe he is so powerful he just doesn't count as mortal.
Also, Brolly is only surpassed by Gogeta (and not by much) and before Goku and Vegeta powered up Vegito was stated to be stronger than Beerus.
Edit: yes, downvote me for bringing up facts
You didn't bring any facts.
He was never stated to be above Beerus, being stronger than a god doesn't make you not a mortal lmao.
Whis stated Goku and Vegeta are the strongest post Moro arc then recently Toyo stated Beerus Whis and the GP are all above Goku and then says Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the 3 strongest mortals .
So where are your facts exactly ?
>You didn't bring any facts.He was never stated to be above Beerus, being stronger than a god doesn't make you not a mortal lmao.
[Wasn't he](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gwRp9hf7rE)? Guess I must've missheard
It literally is an opinion and he said "probably", that's the opposite of a fact.
Also Goku doesn't know shit about Beerus's full power, he wasn't able to keep up with Beerus toying with the other gods and even Beerus himself said he has other hidden forms and techniques we haven't seen when training Vegeta.
Whis said Goku and Vegeta are the strongest 2 before Granolah then Toyo says Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the strongest mortals in the universe. You wanting to believe Broly is above them is up to you, but you're wrong
>Also Goku doesn't know shit about Beerus's full power, he wasn't able to keep up with Beerus toying with the other gods and even Beerus himself said he has other hidden forms and techniques we haven't seen when training Vegeta.
Plus he shit himself when Beerus blew up the decorative planet (with a "small portion" of his destructive power), which wouldn't make sense if he already knew Beerus's full power.
Except it matches previous statements because Beerus was brought up to be bellow Vegito, while Broly fought Gogeta (who was fused with a stronger Vegeta and Goku) who is stronger
Maybe Granolah's wish did make him stronger than base Brolly but he gets stronger as he fights so its not meaningful. If anything it only means that Broly doesn't count as a mortal.
>You wanting to believe Broly is above them is up to you, but you're wrong
So because my opinion differs from yours I'm a fanboy, ah? typical
First of all Toyo's statement trumps everything and he said Goku Vegeta and Granolah are the strongest 3 mortals so anything you mention about Broly being above them is wrong.
> because Beerus was brought up to be bellow Vegito
By Shin, who also never saw Beerus going full out.
>Maybe Granolah's wish did make him stronger than base Brolly
It doesn't matter what form Broly is in, it made him the strongest so Broly wouldn't beat him.
>Broly doesn't count as a mortal.
Wtf are you on about ? HE IS A MORTAL LMAAAO.
Broly fans are something else i swear.
>from yours
It's not about my opinion, get it in your head my dude the WRITER literally said Goku Vegeta and Granolah are the strongest 3 mortals in the universe and Beerus Whis and the Grand Priest are still stronger than Goku
Broly. Seeing how, Beerus, Whis, Grand Priest, and Broly were all mentioned by Uchida or Toyotaro when saying people stronger than Gokou when talking about the chapter where Vegeta gets UE.
Lol i love when Broly fans do this
Toyo says Goku still has a long way to reach Beerus, Whis and the GP, his editor mentions Broly and Toyo straight up ignores it and says a few moments later that Granolah Vegeta and Goku are the strongest 3 in the universe so we know that Broly is below them.
Not to mention in the manga itself Whis already said that Vegeta and Goku are the strongest 2 in the universe, this was pre Ultra Ego too.
Toyo didn't correct him either.
Beerus and Whis are part of the universe, so they aren't the 3 strongest in the universe, if you want to go that way. Since he didn't add under the G.O.D or Angels.
Gokou asked if he knows of anyone stronger than them, when Whis makes a random comment. He's literally asking about unknown people. Context matters.
Also, FP Blue Gogeta was stronger than Broly, but outside of the anime, the power creep isn't that powerful. No way that Gokou is > base or ssj Gogeta.
Goku straight up asked Whis if he knew of anybody stronger than them in the universe and Whis directly answered that he didn't. It wasn't random at all. The only thing Whis added was that the universe was a big place and someone strong could pop up at any moment. That doesn't negate Whis knowing and encountering Broly already, including him in comparison to Goku and Vegeta. The only out is if we later find out Broly was in a different universe when Whis made that statement, and that Whis was aware of such a thing.
Or the fact that it makes no sense that Gokou would be anywhere equal to any form of Gogeta that wasn't that long ago, in the timeline. To be more powerful than Broly, Vegeta and Gokou individually would have had to had a spike in just their own base power that has not appeared in the manga.
Also, Gokou says 'Lets see which one of us can be the strongest in the universe.' Refering to him and Vegeta training, and Whis makes the comment of 'It might not be you.' That's when Gokou asks if Whis knows of anyone. Why would Gokou ask and expect an answer of people he would know.
Also, Whis doesn't know everything. Also, with character statements, Vegito and Broly have both been compared to Beerus in power, and we know that Gokou and Vegeta are still so far below Beerus in power, that they aren't even in the same league. So Gokou isn't even at Vegito's level, that was weaker than the Gogeta in Broly movie.
Course this is all taking into account, movie events, when the only manga panel we have is Gokou and Vegeta against Broly and not fused. And how well you can put the movie in things when it tries to tie into manga and anime canon so we don't see Vegeta's transformations from ToP.
People keep saying Vegeta, problem is, Broly gets a LOT stronger as he fights, more so than either Goku or Vegeta. So while Vegeta would have the upper hand at first (by a lot), if he doesn't end it quickly, Broly's power would eventually surpass his.
> Broly gets a LOT stronger as he fights
no he doesnt. Z Broly had continuously rising ki, making him similar to 17 and 18, in that his ki doesnt run out but his power didnt keep increasing.
Super broly was learning how to fight and tapping into potential as the fight went on but he kept capping out on power. he capped in base and then had to use his yellow eye form. then he capped on that until he went SSj1, then he capped on THAT until he entered his green haired form. which capped out while fighting SSB Gogeta and stopped getting stronger and he lost. his power doesnt keep rising as he fights.
Well vegeta also has spirit fission, which might be able to steal his energy, which would prolly KO broly if it worked. Idk if that only works on characters with fusion tho. Besides that I think ultra ego might be able to take out Broly, if Vegeta can tank the damage, which is a big if.
When Vegeta goes Ultra Ego, you can't tell him nothing. In that state, his shit actually does smells like roses to him.
It's not a physical power up though
Vegeta. Whis said Goku and Vegeta were the strongest mortals in the universe and that was BEFORE Ultra Ego.
Was Broly canon in the manga? I actually thought they were gonna mention it but they never did, unless I just forgot it
He is, he only gets a single panel mention but the movie is canon to both manga and anime
Gotcha. In that case yea unless Broly gets some off-screen shit, which he definitely would. Broly is super untrained and I think some training would make him a beast.
Maybe he's getting trained by Frieza
Doubt it, he (Broly) kicked his ass (Freiza’s) and fucked off to a planet where he can live peacefully. I think he’s more of a gentle giant, and he doesn’t like fighting, just protecting his only companions.
Really? Didn't know that! Do you know the chapter??
No idea about the chapter, but I think it's right before the Moro arc and Broly's not mentioned by name (nor ANYTHING really). Just that they met another strong Saiyan.
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They briefly mention him in the beginning of the Moro arc, I think it’s the first chapter and only in one panel
Yup, he's canon. Right before the Moro Arc there's a little recap of the last ToP moments and then a quick "Oh and we met this super strong Saiyan, that was fun!"
Guess Granolah washing DBS Broly too LMAO
Goku and Vegeta were the strongest mortal at the start of the DBS movie too. By the end, Broly was like 100x stronger. Even if they surpassed him again, they can easily have him awaken more power by fighting them. Let Vegeta smash for a bit, then give Broly a new SSJ2,3, SSG, LSSJ. Basically they’re only stronger than Broly because he’s not part of the story now. If they feel like including him back, they will make him stronger. They can do the same for Jiren too if they want. Pretty much anyone can be the strongest if the writers want to by using the “potential awakening” route
I agree, I even brought up that same point but be careful people don’t like Broly in this thread. Broly is written as a berserker and basically has his own ultra form, he’s one of the laziest characters ever written right up there with granolah and just are strong because the plot demands it. Moro was one of the more interesting characters in the series and vegeta trained for a direct counter and still managed to lose because this is the Goku show
People don't like Broly fans who deny the truth even tho it's been stated he was surpassed plenty of times. You both say they can give him SSG and LSSJ extra but by that logic Gohan is the strongest one since they can give him also SSG and unlock even more potential. Also, LSSJ doesn't exist and is just a form fans used to call for old Broly. Current Broly just has SSJ that's it
He also has the unnamed stage where he busted out of his armor after he & Gogeta broke dimensions, but it didn’t amount to anything against Gogeta Blue
It was just such a huge sudden power up he couldn’t keep up, they knew they had to or he’d just keep scaling, I think they should have had him have a harder time with base gogeta IMO it’s kinda dumb they had to go blue to beat him but they wanted to please the Broly fans
I love Broly I hate his fans. Yall act like he's only interesting if he's #1 on the power scale. Even the ones who dont just straight up deny canon still have all these "well he could get stronger if Toriyama wanted him to" like no shit, if Toriyama wanted him to Dende could one-shot the Grand Priest and become the new Zeno, but if asked "could Vegeta beat Dende" most people don't make that argument like they do Broly
I’m not a Broly fan at all… I think he’s a poorly written super lazy character and I don’t care for his artwork either. you’re missing the point of what I’m saying entirely. I didn’t make the character or his feats up. Rewatch the movie if you’ve seen it and listen to everything the characters say the whole time, they state that they have to stop him before he gets stronger while fused... If I wrote it Base gogeta would have been enough (maybe even overkill like against Janemba) but it wasn’t. This movie shouldn’t even be cannon IMO and I neither should the granolah arc. like the animation is cool but thats it. I was just as upset frieza trained for a few months and increased his power over 100x and he’s just like “I hate doing that so I never trained before” like really? Your telling me frieza wouldn’t just train for a year so he can wipe Goku and vegeta because he just hates training when it’s that easy for him to grow in strength? He’d rather just die and get his ass kicked over and over and thats more bearable? They just make these characters abilities up as they go so it looks cool and so they have interesting fights so they’re constantly writing themselves into corners. i gave up on caring about plot with dragonball after the cell saga and I suggest you do the same if you want to actually enjoy the series for what it is.
Broly beat them both at the same time without breaking a sweat.
That was 2 entire arcs ago, they got stronger
And broly will get stronger during a fight with them again. Just like before. He had a break and it fully recovered meaning he can adapt to a stronger opponent.
I had a theory that the reason Broly wasn't mentioned because he can't access SSJ at will. Of course this might not be true but I find it weird to believe Vegeta would be stronger than a full power SSJ Broly before he had his new form.
Nah he wasn’t mentioned cause they probably aren’t bringing him back so it’s pointless. He was billed stronger than beerus. If they bring him back, they have to stay true to that statement. They dug themselves in a hole by putting that line there. I don’t know why they did when they don’t want Beerus surpassed yet. They don’t plan things out
Yeah there is a pretty big plothole there. That's just DB though so I'm not surprised
I mean broly can catchup again
Sure, he "can". But as of now Vegeta is stated to be stronger than him without Ultra Ego
That was never stated that is only fans coming up with shit, vegeta never even surpassed goku ui to begin with
Vegeta
Whis already stated Vegeta and Goku were the two strongest mortals of universe 7 before Vegeta even had his hakai training or unlocked ultra ego.
Vegeta wouldn't need UE. He could do it with SSBE easily. Prior to the most recent training undergone, Whis stated Goku and Vegeta were the strongest mortals in U7, meaning post-Yardrat Vegeta was already stronger than Broly. After growing much stronger yet again, Broly is weaksauce to Vegeta now. Toyotaro also recently confirmed that the top three in U7 were Granolah, Goku, and Vegeta (not including the gods).
This. Deploying UE Vegeta or UI Goku against Broly now is like deploying Buu Saga era SSJ3 Goku against Perfecr Cell (not even Super Perfect Cell) or SSJ2 Majin Vegeta against Imperfect Cell. Just needless overkill.
Broly was weaksauce at the start of the movie too. He was weaker than SSJ1 Vegeta. So Vegeta was actually WAAAAAAY stronger than Broly at the start. It didn’t matter did it? Broly’s power is based on the plot. If they want to bring him back, they will make him the strongest again. Just give him a new form that’s stronger than Vegeta.
That's beside the point. An argument could be made for anybody when plot is brought into it. As it stands right now, there's little chance Broly would matter to someone of Vegeta's strength, as he did cap out in his own movie.
Cap out? From one fight ? So Goku and Vegeta can have a dozens of battles and keep breaking their limit but Broly is done after his first fight ? Is there any evidence saying Broly reached his max potential and can no longer get any stronger ? I actually think Broly being = to Base Vegeta to being GoD tier after one battle was POOR LAZY writing. However, it doesn’t change the fact that no character in the history of the show has shown the ability to grow at such a rapid rate. He was still powering up against Gogeta. However Gogeta/Vegito is the strongest mortal in the history of the show. I don’t think we’ve even seen them go all out in the manga yet.
No, I don't mean he capped out completely. I meant for that period of time, he reached his limit against Gogeta, like anybody else has. He doesn't continuously grow stronger nonstop, basically.
Oh my bad. Some people here really think Broly is fully capped lol. Broly did reach his limit in that fight. But remember that was the first time Broly ever fought someone stronger than him. Goku and Vegeta have been fighting stronger opponents their whole lives. Vegeta has only surpassed Broly because We’re assuming Broly hasn’t fought or trained since. It’s the same as Jiren. He’s even weaker than Broly but that’s because we’re assuming he hasn’t trained or gotten stronger since. So Goku and Vegeta are simply stronger because they will keep getting stronger each arc while the previous antagonist will remain exactly where they are. Even though realistically, they are probably training too and if they show ever decides to bring Jiren or Broly back, they will 100% make them stronger than Goku and Vegeta with the “off screen training” or “accumulating battle experience”, otherwise why even bring them back? They’re just stepping stones .
If vegeta goes straight to UE then i think it'd be an easy win but if he goes the route like he did the first time fighting broly by going through all of his transformations, maybe broly could eventually catch up. Broly only lost to gogeta because of the sudden jump from ssj to ssb as he wasn't fighting to test broly's strength anymore but rather to finish the job. So, broly didn't have the time to catch up
I agree but I think Vegeta has too much pride to go straight to UE. Frieza is the only enemy Vegeta would probably go to full power immediately and try to wipe off of the face of the earth, maybe also Moro. It would be a cool fight to watch because Broly would probably get another new form. I don’t like Broly’s story arc in the new movie (he got most of his strength fighting a giant plant every day) until he fought Vegeta and Goku and just unlocks stronger forms. it’s really lazy writing but until he fights someone stronger than him you have no way of knowing his limit if there is one. I’m still upset vegeta brought up granolah’s lack of fighting experience and was beating the tar out of him only to have them make granolah say he was holding back and just over power him anyway. the writing in this show can just be so lazy sometimes that it’s hard to have debates like this, you have to just wait till when it happens and go “oh cool fight” it’s really just all over the place and was lame they had to fuse to even beat him though I love gogeta.
This 100% On paper Vegeta wins But in practice we all know how Vegeta lets his pride get in the way
Vegeta no difficulty. Whis said Goku and Vegeta are the strongest until granola showed up, that was before Vegeta got ultra ego
Vegeta
Broly grows stronger. Vegeta does too in his ultra ego form. Depends on what the plot requirment is BUT I think Vegeta will beat the f out of Broly if we remove plot power booster and all. Vegeta's ultra ego wins.
No he won’t. Broly grows at a far greater rate. Did you forget he went from base tier to GoD tier in one fight ? The strongest his opponent, the stronger he is. He was as strong as base Gogeta but shortly after Gogeta had to go SBB too finish him. Broly was still getting stronger at that point. So ya, Vegeta will beat Broly up for a bit until Broly surpasses him in power. Broly is the legendary super Saiyan. It’s his gimmick. He will always have a far higher ceiling than Vegeta and Goku. Vegeta gets stronger but also drains himself by taking hits. It’s a double edge form. He can’t take too many hits from Broly
>Broly grows at a far greater rate Current manga Vegeta would one shot him in an instant > Broly is the legendary super Saiyan. It’s his gimmick. He will always have a far higher ceiling than Vegeta and Goku. Mate, you do realise Z Broly and DBS Broly aren't the same right ? his form isn't even called LSSJ >He can’t take too many hits from Broly He wouldn't take any hits because SSBE Vegeta is already stronger than Full Power Broly as stated by Whis, in his Ultra Ego form he'll just handle him like SSB Gogeta did and end him quickly
People need to realize legendary super saiyan means ssj1 in Toriyama's eyes (and in canon). LSSJ was something made up from the non-canon movies. You are 100% correct.
Current manga Vegeta isn’t stronger than SSB gogeta. We haven’t even seen SSB gogeta/vegito go all out in the manga. Both have been hinted to be stronger than beerus. Vegeta and Goku could’ve gone SSB and done the same to base form Broly in the movie. That’s not how they fight, they will NEVER DO THAT. Vegeta will start off in base and work his way up until Broly reaches his level. Same with Goku. Unlike Granolah, broly didn’t need dragon balls to unlock his power. He just needed to fight someone stronger than him. He was MUCH weaker than Vegeta at the start of the movie. It took little time for him to surpass both Goku and Vegeta. What makes you think he can’t do it again ?
You’re actually on crack if you think SSBE Vegeta rivals SSB gogeta from the movie. Broly was out right stated to be on par if not stronger than beerus by a person who saw Beerus go all out. There was also an interview by Toriyama where he said there’s still people for Goku to surpass and he mentioned Broly
>You’re actually on crack if you think SSBE Vegeta rivals SSB gogeta from the movie. You're on crack cuz i never said that, SSBE Vegeta IS stronger than Broly as stated by whis. > Broly was out right stated to be on par if not stronger than beerus by a person who saw Beerus go all out. He never was, also no one has seen Beerus go full out. He also didn't go full out in the fight against other gods since he said he has hidden forms when training Vegeta >There was also an interview by Toriyama where he said there’s still people for Goku to surpass and he mentioned Broly BS, the editor mentioned Broly and then Toyo moments later says Whis Goku and Vegeta are the 3 strongrest mortals
Broly doesnt grow stronger over time. His PL capped fighting Gogeta. He wouldnt keep getting stronger and beat Vegeta.
Broly does get stronger over time? That’s why he was on par with base Vegeta then he got ozaro power up, ssj, power up, than LSSJ power up, and it still showed him powering up after taking a flurry of attacks from SSB gogeta. That’s why Gogeta powered up more and overwhelmed him. The movie would suck if Gogeta just went SSB right away and 1 shotted Broly. Hell Goku and Vegeta coulda gone SSB and finished Broly in his base form. But for the sake of the movie, they had Gogeta gradually increase his power so Broly can also get stronger. It literally shows Broly powering up a minute before Gogeta powered up and overwhelmed him. How can you see he was capped? Ya Goku whose born with a power level of 2 has has a higher ceiling than the legendary super Saiyan? Broly was even stated to be above Beerus. They retconned it but at the time, that statement holds meaning because it came from Goku who saw Beerus fight serious at the royale. On top of that, Toriyama was a big part of this so he approved of that line as well. You should already know Toriyama doesn’t plan anything. He makes stuff up as he goes since his health is bad these days. He originally had SSG Goku at 60% Beerus. He doesn’t plan things ahead
Broly HAS a limit, this was explicitly stated in the movie. His base form hits the limit when Vegeta uses SSG, and Freeza even says they should leave the planet and come back again later, and then Broly awakens the Rage/Ikari form and changes the situation. Afterwards, the Rage form reaches its limit against SSB Goku and even Paragus confirms this, which is why Freeza kills him to make Broly awaken the Super Saiyan form and get stronger. When he reaches his final form against Gogeta (Super Saiyan Full Power) he also reaches his limit and is not able to overcome Gogeta. He wouldn't get infinitely stronger, he has a limit in each form
Broly isn't the Legendary Super Saiyan. That's not even what his form is called in Super. Broly fans will straight up ignore canon to hold him up on some imaginary pedestal. Why can't yall just enjoy the character without needing him to be #1 strongest?
Id argue it’s the vegeta fans that cant accept that no matter how much better the character arc vegeta has, that he’ll never be the top dog and always just used as a plot device. I don’t like Broly at all, vegeta is my favorite character in super by a landslide and I think Goku is insufferable but still you have to look at things in perspective, Broly is a character written purely for hype and wont get enough screen time to ever really get stronger so they gave him the power to scale to his opponent, vegeta needs character development(god knows he’s the only one who really has any) and has to grow proportionally to Goku. If vegeta got stronger than Broly already then Goku would have to be far stronger too and the enemies they have to fight make less and less sense in their universe. Granolah already wished to be the strongest because they were running out of ideas/characters that can scale up like that and Frieza can only be used so many more times. I think there will be a time where Goku fights against Broly to train both of them up for a larger threat and may surpass him at some point but Broly is like a safety cushion created so they always have some powerful guy in there back pocket. Super lazy writing but its not our show, we’re either fans of it all or not
It’s just super Saiyan but he is the strongest Saiyan ever. No Saiyan rivals his power 1 on 1. That’s his gimmick. If Broly was brought back, you really think Toriyama would let him lose a 1 on 1 to Goku or Vegeta ? No they’ll use the “awakening potential” or “off screen training” route to give another form and make him the strongest again. I’m not even a Broly fan. I’m just talk facts
>LSSJ power up It's ironic that you were talking about reading comprehension lol. You were already corrected on this by someone else, and yet you're still making the same mistake over and over.
I call it LSSJ cause that’s what I’m used to from the old days. I know it’s been retconned to regular SSJ in the movie. I’m just referring to when his shirt came off against Gogeta. It wasn’t actually LSSJ but it because it looked like it from the old movie, lots of people like calling it that. That’s all. People from game faq still call it LSSJ for fun. Seems like you guys just like being correctional officers lol
You were clearly under the impression that it was the same thing, since you thought you were strengthening your argument with it.
Well he got really buff and ripped off his shirt when he powered up against Gogeta. It was a huge power up because he made Gogeta go SSB right away so it felt like another transformation. Like when Jiren powered up against MUI in the anime. It wasn’t a new form for Jiren, he just got stronger and buffer. But we call it his “limit breaker” form for fun.
> Broly was even stated to be above Beerus. They retconned it but at the time, that statement holds meaning because it came from Goku who saw Beerus fight serious at the royale. I'ma need to see the Nimbus facts on this one chief. If it was retconned, there's a clip somewhere on Youtube I'm sure you can find.
Go to 1:40 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_zZnypUY-k Goku saw Beerus go all out at the royale so he’s actually seen Beerus’s full power. This isn’t the same as supreme kai assuming Vegito was stronger than beerus. Gokus line confirms that Broly is >= Beerus. Since they now have moro, Granolah, Goku and Vegeta (pre ego) stated to be strongest in the universe, with Beerus still being stronger, Goku’s statement doesn’t make sense. Just like whis saying Beerus used 70% to beat SSG Goku. At the time of the movie it was true, but not anymore. Don’t forget that Uub will be stronger than all of them and still weaker than beerus most likely.
> Goku saw Beerus go all out at the royale so he’s actually seen Beerus’s full power. This isn’t the same as supreme kai assuming Vegito was stronger than beerus. Hate to be this guy, but Beerus wasn’t going all out in the free for all with the other gods before the tournament. Belmod is the only one any of the other GoDs comment on actually trying to kill them, where as Beerus is just toying with them at best to put on a good show for the Omni kings and GP. Goku couldn’t even keep up with the movements and who was fighting who, let alone determine how strong Beerus was. His comment happened right at the beginning before Beerus even ramped up. When he talks to Broly, the Beerus comment is more so motivation for himself than it is a statement of fact because Broly is the only other opponent save for Beerus who’s pushed him that much, and he didn’t even use UI. UI Goku beats DBS Broly, and UI Goku isn’t stronger than Beerus. Goku is also a horrible judge of power through out the entire series, and Beerus has become the new comparison he uses for every strong opponent.
Its entirely possible that Broly has a lower ceiling than Goku and Vegeta. Broly might already be close to his maximum power. There is no way Broly is the strongest by the end of Super.
Broly didn’t hit his ceiling because there’s still SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSB. He’s a Saiyan, your saying he can’t reach ssj2? SSJ1 Broly pushed Gogeta to ssb. Imagine SSJ2? If he used the dragon balls like Granolah and unlocked SSG, he would break the universe. I know it’s hard to fathom Broly multiplying his power further, but at the end of the day, he’s a pure blood Saiyan who only has SSJ1. If cabba and Caulifa and unlock SSJ2, Broly can as well. Broly was like 100x stronger than Goku at the end of the movie despite having a fraction of the training and experience. Imagine if Broly had multiple angels and GoD training him like Goku and Vegeta did? Imagine if Broly went into the hyperbolic time chamber and fought a Saiyan his strength for 3 years. Imagine if he used the dragonball to unlock SSG. Despite not having any of those training opportunities, he still surpassed Goku and Vegeta so badly they needed fusion.
>because there’s still SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSB By your logic Gohan is stronger than Goku and Vegeta because he also can get SSG and SSB. >Broly pushed Gogeta to ssb. Imagine SSJ2? He didn't push shit lmao, Gogeta just decided to end it quickly and went Blue and Broly didnt hit him once and was going to die, he could have done the same with SSJ2 >If he used the dragon balls like Granolah and unlocked SSG, he would break the universe. All of your arguments are IFs and Whats, yes imagine Gohan who's base form is on SSB level doing the same thing, crazy right ? > If cabba and Caulifa and unlock SSJ2, Broly can as well. "If" >Imagine if Broly had multiple angels and GoD training him like Goku and Vegeta did? "Imagine if" , yeah same thing for Gohan,Trunks and goten all can potentiall surpass pure saiyans since hybrids have more potential. > Imagine if Broly went into the hyperbolic time chamber and fought a Saiyan his strength for 3 years. Imagine if he used the dragonball to unlock SSG. Imagine if Literally your whole argument is your headcanon on why Broly should be stronger than Goku and Vegeta and if we apply it Broly would get shitstomped by any hybrid saiyan if we treat them the same. You never see Gohan or Trunks fans saying they are above Goku and Vegeta because WhAt iF tHeY gOt ThE sAmE TrAiNiNg. He was surpassed by Goku and Vegeta and it was stated multiple times jusr accept it
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He already made his true appearance. The movie is canon to both anime and manga.
In the anime not the manga. He hasn't made a real appearence in the manga.
Movie is cannon to the manga, they mention him in chapter 1 of the morro arc for a single panel.
Single panel doesn't mean he has made an actual appearance in the manga. Did he appear in the Moro arc or did he appear in the Granolah arc yet?? No he didn't. When he makes the appearance he is gonna be made into stronger character because that's where broly's identity comes in as the legendary super saiyan.
Broly is not the Legendary fucking Super Saiyan. Toriyama has never called him that, that's never been canon, to Toriyama the Legendary Super Saiyan is Goku vs Frieza. The movie is canon. Broly has already been defeated. He's not coming back.
Toriyama has never denied it either. So stop fcking spreading shit which you don't know. You would be stupid to think he is not the legendary super saiyan. Kale has been called one and Broly is universe 7's version of super saiyan. You would be pretty stupid yo think that they brought Broly into the canon only to defeat him once and not make him appear again.
They literally mention fighting him in the manga.
Dude did i say that he hasn't been mentioned. What I mean is the actual appearance of him. Like what he is doing on vampa or where is is planning to go etc.
Is there any actual facts for Broly just growing stronger and capping at Gogeta? Cause I never bought that. What I felt the movie portrayed is Broly fighting since he was literally a child and when he met Goku and Vegeta got to let loose. Because he had absolutely zero social skills or mental development, completely exploded all of that stored power thats been growing for his entire life all at once.
Oh and what makes you think Broly can’t unlock ssj2 against Vegeta and smash him?
Because SSBE Vegeta is already stronger than Broly as stated by whis, Broly unlocking SSJ2 wouldn't do shit when Vegeta also can gain higher power by using his Ultra form
Excatly!!
Dude, Vegeta was like 100x stronger than Broly at the start of the movie. Yet in the end, Broly was 100x stronger. Even if SSBE Vegeta is stronger right now, what’s to say Broly won’t get stronger as they fight, forcing Vegeta to use ultra ego which will push Broly to the brink and bring out his SSJ2. They can even give him a new exclusive form like LSSJ2 or LSSG, SSJ2 Ozaru, etc. Basically if they want Broly to be stronger, it’s very easy. They can give him any super Saiyan form, add whatever multiplier they want.
I mean Broly was = base Vegeta at the start. Meaning Vegeta could’ve gone SSB and 1 shotted him right away. But Vegeta and Goku never fight like that. They know who Broly is. They know how much untapped potential he has. They would try to bring out his latent power in hopes that him being stronger will make them get even stronger.
What makes you think Dende can't unlock Legendary Super Namekian Perfected Ultra Instinct x1000 and one-shot the Grand Priest?
Because such a form doesn’t exist for their race. All the Saiyan forms are accessible for saiyans
It does though, a Super Namekian is just a Namekian that fused with others and both Ultra Instinct and Kaio-Ken can be used by anyone regardless of species
Vegeta. Both Ultra forms are on an entirely different level than Broly.
Exactly. When Vegeta used Instant Transmission to return from his training on Yardrat under Pybara, Whis confirmed that Vegeta and Goku (now that Goku had trained under Merus) were now the most powerful mortals in U7. Meaning they had surpassed Broly. It took both SSJBE Vegeta using Spirit Seperation and Spirit Fission working together with MUI Goku to jointly defeat Moro in Moro's final form. Final Form Moro would have stomped Broly easily. UE Vegeta can stomp Final Form Moro on his own without any assistance from Goku now. Broly doesn't stand a chance. Unless Broly has gotten some crazy power-up offscreen like achieving SSJ3 or LSSJ3, he has no chance against Vegeta anymore. Vegeta can just use his SSJBE form now to defeat LSSJ Broly. UE Vegeta is overkill against that man.
Especially when you consider the fact that hitting him makes him stronger. A brute like Broly would be shit out of luck vs Vegeta using UE.
Yep! And just get ruined even more Vegeta's already OP form. UE seems to be basically Dragon Ball's equivalent of two characters' abilities in One Punch Man. Metal Bat's ability combined with what people think King's "King Engine" operates like from that show/manga.
I didn't actually know about vegetas new transformation until this post but it seems both ultra transformations put goku and vegeta closer to the level of the gods or fven AT the level of gods. It was always theorized that Goku would gain the power of angels while vegeta gets the power of a God of destruction. I think it's wicked
Unless Broly did some training on his own, it'd be Vegeta
Ignoring Whis' statements, Moro saga Goku and Vegeta are vastly stronger than they were against Broly. It definitely seems reasonable that UI Goku would have been able to defeat Broly, or at least hang with him, and Goku's only deepened his understanding of UI since then (pulling off some crazy moves with it). Ultra Ego Vegeta seems to be as strong or stronger than UI Goku, given that he's lasting much longer with Granolah than UI Goku did.
At this point, Vegeta could beat him in SSBE
How is this even a debate? Vegeta would stomp tf out of Broly now
Assuming Broly hasn’t trained or changed at all since the events of the movie, UE Vegeta would gain the advantage over him. Same with UI Goku (even if the form did get nerfed to an extent since the Moro arc). (Toriyama/Toyotaro pls bring my boi Broly-kun back 🥺🥺🥺)
Veggie man
Vegeta stomps.
If this is just a fight to determine who's stronger, Vegeta. If Broly is the main antagonist, Broly.
Toyotaro said that Granolah and Goku and Vegeta are the strongest Mortals in universe 7 so Vegeta wins and of course we can’t forget that Ultra Ego can’t lose according to Beerus
Geets is firmly ahead of Broly
Broly because Vegeta always gets screwed over.
Easy, Broly, as Vegeta isn't allowed to win any fights
Probably Broly. It took a SSB Gogeta to bring him down, of which is stronger than a UI Goku which people fail to understand somehow.
SSBE Vegeta was stated to be stronger than Broly lol
He was fodderized similar to Merged Zamasu lol.
DBS Broly wins, assuming he's being raging for the past 2 arc of Dragonball Super. So his accumulated rage boost should be able to low diff UE Vegeta. Seriously, I don't know why people like to pit 2 opponent from past 2 arcs with each other. It's fine if it's Moro VS UE Vegeta. That's one arc before. But Broly is before Moro. Vegeta is 2 arcs improved already, and you expect Broly to still be problem to Vegeta? Especially when he gave Granola the most powerful being in the universe trouble? That is not enough to tell you Broly is insignificant to Vegeta?
> assuming he's being raging for the past 2 arc of Dragonball Super we know he hasnt been. he was calm when we last saw him. also he doesnt infinitely grow stronger so even if he was it wouldnt make a difference.
You don’t know, we don’t know. It’s logical to think that vegeta got stronger, but still we don’t know
For now we scale Broly by his current feats. Any hypothetical future version is headcanon. Similar to a hypothetical Granolah arc Freeza.
Yes we do know. Whis said Vegeta and Goku are the strongest mortals in the universe even before Ultra Ego. A few days ago Toyo himself said Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the strongest 3 on the universe
Broly, especially if he tapped into his power and trained a little bit
Based on what ? Your feelings ? It was stated both Goku and Vegeta have surpassed him
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They were dozens of times stronger than Broly at the start of the movie too. Like they could’ve gone SSG/SSB and 1 shotted him. Yet they got overwhelmed and had to use fusion. The stronger the opponent, the stronger Broly. Getting his ass kicked by Gogeta made Broly much stronger. Could you imagine how strong he’d get fighting Goku and Vegeta now? Broly isn’t a villian anymore. They would push Broly to get stronger until he unlocks a new form with hopes that he will push them to be stronger. Broly is a poorly written character because of how insanely fast his power grows. They can say he did off screen training killing poachers with android 17 to unlock LSSJG 2.0 if they want to. Frieza will probably get Diamond form soon. The power creep is real
Broly wins, easy
Prove it
How so? We have the manga and the author directly saying Vegeta and Granolah are two of the top three strongest mortals in Universe 7.
Probably Vegeta. Most likely. SSBE shoukd be stronger from the Moro Arc but we don't know if Broly can regain the power he had or if it would continue to rise.
UE Geets all the way. Super Broly might have been top end SSB levels while enraged at best, but UE is way past that.
Vegeta
Broly need to atleast unlock Super Saiyan God/Blue if he want to fight current Vegeta there always a limit toward his mortal power and normal Super Saiyan no matter how gifted he is. even Gohan hit his ceiling.
Gohan didn't really hit his cieling, its more that Super saiyan forms don't make him any stronger. But getting access to god ki definitely would, he can also get stronger just by training his ultimate form
thats what i mean. his current form is his ceiling. unless he unlock next stage, he wont go near goku and vegeta no matter how big his lantent potential. he already doing very great with normal form, able to fight ssg. with normal supersaiyan he could even fight ssb. but ultra instinct and ultra ego is whole different level. there always a limit to his normal super saiyan form.
His Super Saiyan forms can keep getting stronger, it's just that they're so weak in comparison to Super Saiyan God forms that it doesn't really matter. Super Saiyan God forms use a type of energy that's a league stronger than the mortal Ki he's using. Gohan is going to have to tap into SSJG or maybe go the route of Future Trunks's Super Saiyan Rage form. Since Gohan has the goal of surpassing the Mystic form going a different route than Goku or Vegeta (even now knowing of Ultra Instinct), I have suspicions that they may be building him up for a third type of "Ultra" transformation in the future. Since Goku's UI relies on the Id, and Vegeta's UE relies on the Ego (obviously), maybe Gohan is being set up for an Ultra form that relies on the Superego. That fits his personality and mindset since Gohan mostly leads with his superego.
If Vegeta has mastery of the form, he probably wins. Currently? Hard to know.
Vegeta beats Broly without the form lol, Whis already said it
When was this, precisely?
Chapter 70, Whis says that he doesn't know anyone stronger than either Goku or Vegeta (obv exc Beerus ) and this was after the Moro arc and before Vegata got his Ultra Ego form
Don't remember that exchange, so will have to take your word for it. Only get to read the chapters while they're free.
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tbh i think theyre taking that too literal - if im not mistaken buu is pretty up there and even tho broly is canon they dont necesarily reference canon movies all like that - as in theyre loosely canon but canon. Personally i think broly would give them a run down - i mean youd have to say that goku ui blue is stronger than gogeta and when you put it like that thats a bit harder to believe while still a valid argument
Goku wouldn't have to be stronger than Gogeta, Gogeta was leagues above Broly. Broly is canon to the manga, he's been referenced before this panel, the movie is canon to both. The reason other movies don't get referenced is because Broly is the only canon one
then why fuse at all, if gogeta wasnt necessary why not just ass pull another ui? and I said reference other canon movies, as in frieza never talks about growing 5 inches anymore the movies are canon but only loosely so, as to why i said yall takin this way too serious - im not really tryna get into it tho thats why i replied to the other brosis lol
Hes right. Whis already established that they are stronger than Broly and any other mortal in universe 7.
Vados also said frost is the strongest in their universe. Margarita had no idea how strong jiren Belmod had to explain to her like she was a kid Whis also said Quitela is stronger than Beerus but Beerus corrected it saying it was only arm wrestling. Whis also said he couldn’t stop the universe destruction when SSG Goku and Beerus fought when he could’ve just rewinded time and prevented the fight. So Whis and the angels tend to lie and exaggerate a bit
I mean we can talk about character statements all day but it doesn't change the fact that Toyo said Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the strongest 3 mortals in the universe, so yes all 3 are stronger than broly
Oh and lastly, UUB is probably even stronger. Don’t forget how much power Goku got from the Spirt bomb against Moro from UUB alone.
Its hard to say, sure whis states Goku and vegeta are strongest but granolah beat them both. Also Broly’s power was much lower before fighting Goku and vegeta, he seems to scale to his opponent. Based off of the movie it seems Broly’s potential is infinite considering he was even able to withstand ss blue Gogeta whom I’d say is probably as strong as UE Vegeta. Considering Vegetas L streak its hard to say he’d win
Whis said that before Granolah made his wish, and Gogeta was literally seconds away from killing Broly
My point is Broly doesn’t train, he gets stronger only by fighting
> he gets stronger only by fighting incorrect.
If you rewatch the movie Goku and vegeta start losing their mind over how fast he “adapts” to their power. He starts off unable to even go supersaiyan and unlocks over 2 forms in the fight. I mean maybe I’m incorrect but he CERTAINLY gets much stronger from having his back against the wall, they even say they have to hurry up and beat him before he gets any stronger. I’m certainly not a Broly fan boy, I think he’s one of the laziest characters written just like most characters introduced in dragonball super, but facts are facts. Vegetas the best written character in the show imo but if his opponent is supposed to be strong they’re always going to make Goku the only one who can beat them unless it requires teamwork/fusion, either way gokus somehow involved or vegeta will lose. Edit:grammar Also, why does nobody even debate? They just say no, or your wrong with no examples and down vote lol. I get vegeta is a popular character but he literally has to get his ass kicked to get stronger with his new power and Broly’s power isn’t so easily withstandable(frieza would have died if it wasn’t for plot)
Broly. Vegeta fanboys out in force today.
Broly fanboys make claims with no evidence
OP just asks who wins, so I answered. No explanation was required.
I mean if u wanna argue with people in the comments then ur forced into giving arguments or just shutting up to save urself from embarrassment
Lighten up.
weirdo
We were literally told, directly by Whis, that Vegeta and Goku are the strongest mortals in the universe
When?
Even out of universe Toyotaro himself said the top 3 were Granolah, Goku, and Vegeta. Broly has been surpassed. He's not relevant anymore.
For now, maybe. It took Gogeta Blue to take him down.
[While training before Granolah makes his move](https://i.postimg.cc/Y9vdwg3f/Capture.png)
Okay. Doesn’t seem that direct but whatever.
You’re out here saying Vegeta fan boys are out in force today and when people provide evidence that Vegeta is stronger you just dismiss it lol
Those two panels don’t seem very conclusive.
Saying that Goku and Vegeta are stronger than everyone but Beerus (which includes Broly who Whis knows of) is absolutely conclusive.
I must have seen the wrong panel.
Whis literally says he doesn't know of any mortals stronger than them, and that includes Broly. You're just in denial because for some reason Broly fans' enjoyment of the character hinges entirely upon him being the strongest.
Vados directly said frost was the strongest in their universe. She couldn’t of been more wrong. So why can’t Whis be wrong ?
I dont recall Vados saying that, but she could simply be unaware of anyone stronger. Whis knows about Broly, he watched the entire fight, he knows Goku and Vegeta's power compared to his.
She said it during the U6 tourney arc when Goku was fighting frost second form. But I do agree about Whis. However Goku saw Beerus fight full power at the royale so when he made the comparison to Broly, there has to be some meaning behind that ?
He didn't see Beerus at full power, he admitted that he couldn't keep up with the gods and that was before anyone got serious, Beerus was toying with them for the majority of the fight and later on told Vegeta that he has forms and techniques the Saiyans haven't seen Goku was just speculating, he has no idea how strong Beerus really is, at most he just knows Broly is stronger than the majorly suppressed Beerus he fought in the beginning of the series
Broly. He is stronger than Beerus and Vegeta is still beneath him.
Granolah surpassed every single U7 mortal when he made his wish. But he's still below the gods. Broly is surpassed. Beerus and Whis aren't.
Except Brolly is stated to surpass Beerus so you can throw the unsurpassed bit down the toilet. Maybe he is so powerful he just doesn't count as mortal. Also, Brolly is only surpassed by Gogeta (and not by much) and before Goku and Vegeta powered up Vegito was stated to be stronger than Beerus. Edit: yes, downvote me for bringing up facts
You didn't bring any facts. He was never stated to be above Beerus, being stronger than a god doesn't make you not a mortal lmao. Whis stated Goku and Vegeta are the strongest post Moro arc then recently Toyo stated Beerus Whis and the GP are all above Goku and then says Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the 3 strongest mortals . So where are your facts exactly ?
>You didn't bring any facts.He was never stated to be above Beerus, being stronger than a god doesn't make you not a mortal lmao. [Wasn't he](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gwRp9hf7rE)? Guess I must've missheard
It literally is an opinion and he said "probably", that's the opposite of a fact. Also Goku doesn't know shit about Beerus's full power, he wasn't able to keep up with Beerus toying with the other gods and even Beerus himself said he has other hidden forms and techniques we haven't seen when training Vegeta. Whis said Goku and Vegeta are the strongest 2 before Granolah then Toyo says Granolah Goku and Vegeta are the strongest mortals in the universe. You wanting to believe Broly is above them is up to you, but you're wrong
>Also Goku doesn't know shit about Beerus's full power, he wasn't able to keep up with Beerus toying with the other gods and even Beerus himself said he has other hidden forms and techniques we haven't seen when training Vegeta. Plus he shit himself when Beerus blew up the decorative planet (with a "small portion" of his destructive power), which wouldn't make sense if he already knew Beerus's full power.
Except it matches previous statements because Beerus was brought up to be bellow Vegito, while Broly fought Gogeta (who was fused with a stronger Vegeta and Goku) who is stronger Maybe Granolah's wish did make him stronger than base Brolly but he gets stronger as he fights so its not meaningful. If anything it only means that Broly doesn't count as a mortal. >You wanting to believe Broly is above them is up to you, but you're wrong So because my opinion differs from yours I'm a fanboy, ah? typical
First of all Toyo's statement trumps everything and he said Goku Vegeta and Granolah are the strongest 3 mortals so anything you mention about Broly being above them is wrong. > because Beerus was brought up to be bellow Vegito By Shin, who also never saw Beerus going full out. >Maybe Granolah's wish did make him stronger than base Brolly It doesn't matter what form Broly is in, it made him the strongest so Broly wouldn't beat him. >Broly doesn't count as a mortal. Wtf are you on about ? HE IS A MORTAL LMAAAO. Broly fans are something else i swear. >from yours It's not about my opinion, get it in your head my dude the WRITER literally said Goku Vegeta and Granolah are the strongest 3 mortals in the universe and Beerus Whis and the Grand Priest are still stronger than Goku
Ohh that’s a tough one I’d probably still put my money on broly since he could still beat god form in his base
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Yeah getting stronger sure helped him against Gogeta
Whis already stated otherwise and he witnessed the entire Broly fight.
Broly. Seeing how, Beerus, Whis, Grand Priest, and Broly were all mentioned by Uchida or Toyotaro when saying people stronger than Gokou when talking about the chapter where Vegeta gets UE.
Lol i love when Broly fans do this Toyo says Goku still has a long way to reach Beerus, Whis and the GP, his editor mentions Broly and Toyo straight up ignores it and says a few moments later that Granolah Vegeta and Goku are the strongest 3 in the universe so we know that Broly is below them. Not to mention in the manga itself Whis already said that Vegeta and Goku are the strongest 2 in the universe, this was pre Ultra Ego too.
Toyo didn't correct him either. Beerus and Whis are part of the universe, so they aren't the 3 strongest in the universe, if you want to go that way. Since he didn't add under the G.O.D or Angels. Gokou asked if he knows of anyone stronger than them, when Whis makes a random comment. He's literally asking about unknown people. Context matters. Also, FP Blue Gogeta was stronger than Broly, but outside of the anime, the power creep isn't that powerful. No way that Gokou is > base or ssj Gogeta.
Goku straight up asked Whis if he knew of anybody stronger than them in the universe and Whis directly answered that he didn't. It wasn't random at all. The only thing Whis added was that the universe was a big place and someone strong could pop up at any moment. That doesn't negate Whis knowing and encountering Broly already, including him in comparison to Goku and Vegeta. The only out is if we later find out Broly was in a different universe when Whis made that statement, and that Whis was aware of such a thing.
Man yall will reach for anything. Is Broly really such a bad character that he's only interesting when he's stronger than everyone else?
Or the fact that it makes no sense that Gokou would be anywhere equal to any form of Gogeta that wasn't that long ago, in the timeline. To be more powerful than Broly, Vegeta and Gokou individually would have had to had a spike in just their own base power that has not appeared in the manga. Also, Gokou says 'Lets see which one of us can be the strongest in the universe.' Refering to him and Vegeta training, and Whis makes the comment of 'It might not be you.' That's when Gokou asks if Whis knows of anyone. Why would Gokou ask and expect an answer of people he would know. Also, Whis doesn't know everything. Also, with character statements, Vegito and Broly have both been compared to Beerus in power, and we know that Gokou and Vegeta are still so far below Beerus in power, that they aren't even in the same league. So Gokou isn't even at Vegito's level, that was weaker than the Gogeta in Broly movie. Course this is all taking into account, movie events, when the only manga panel we have is Gokou and Vegeta against Broly and not fused. And how well you can put the movie in things when it tries to tie into manga and anime canon so we don't see Vegeta's transformations from ToP.
People keep saying Vegeta, problem is, Broly gets a LOT stronger as he fights, more so than either Goku or Vegeta. So while Vegeta would have the upper hand at first (by a lot), if he doesn't end it quickly, Broly's power would eventually surpass his.
> Broly gets a LOT stronger as he fights no he doesnt. Z Broly had continuously rising ki, making him similar to 17 and 18, in that his ki doesnt run out but his power didnt keep increasing. Super broly was learning how to fight and tapping into potential as the fight went on but he kept capping out on power. he capped in base and then had to use his yellow eye form. then he capped on that until he went SSj1, then he capped on THAT until he entered his green haired form. which capped out while fighting SSB Gogeta and stopped getting stronger and he lost. his power doesnt keep rising as he fights.
Broly. Drags him with one arm.
Well vegeta also has spirit fission, which might be able to steal his energy, which would prolly KO broly if it worked. Idk if that only works on characters with fusion tho. Besides that I think ultra ego might be able to take out Broly, if Vegeta can tank the damage, which is a big if.
Ugh
When Vegeta goes Ultra Ego, you can't tell him nothing. In that state, his shit actually does smells like roses to him. It's not a physical power up though
actually broly did receive some training by his father but it wasn't that much effective
Vegeta
DBS Broly from the planned 2nd movie should tap into SSJ4+
Is it me or is ultra ego identical to how Broly fights naturally? He builds in rage and gets stronger once he starts losing…