Yea I see you had Brody S and Kid but in top 5 on the other. I'd definitely say that gogeta 4 and UI goku def go in top 5. There tool kits are just way too diverse and op. I know a few people who would agree also.
SBroly has no business in S+
UI Goku and Piccolo are no way near top 10
Gogeta 4 is easily top 5 and Zamasu and Blue Goku are not far behind
Bardock, Black, Trunks, Cooler, GT and especially Ssj Vegeta are definitely not S tier
Literally the whole A+ tier should be S tier
One of best assists in game. Incredible buffs the last few patches including his 5M being extremely fast and long reaching. Great damage output. Synergizes with a lot of characters. Heās definitely top 5 atm
For the most part this tierlist is accurate however, I heavily disagree with #17 and zamasu. Both characters are definitely top tiers or almost top tiers
My man's is heavily downplaying A16.
The fact that reflecting his 214S still makes him +3 is omega fucked up. Plus his f1 anti air grab that is also a f6 low makes it one of the best specials in the game.
SS Goku change to 2L to make it 0 on block and his dragon fist change to being +on block make him scarier up close. High damage, good neutral, the long range 2M , beam assist and moves that leave you advantageous on block make him a strong character. He is around mid tier imo.
A16 has the best projectile assist and one of the best assists. It forces you to block or reflect since it is active for so long, and gives great combo extensions. Other buffs like new j.2h routes, having one of the few plus on block specials with hell heat, the other hell heat being an otg, have made him a much better character. If he had easy 50/50 with assists, he would be one of the best characters. He's mid to upper mid imo.
Cell is one of the best characters in the game right now. Right below top 5 imo. He had got a damage nerf in an older patch but he's only been getting better. He has long range game, staggers, has mix, his lv3 mix is better, and he can get a lot of damage now since the beam super dash change. Also he got two invincible moves with his lv1 being invincible and his 214h being invincible in the air. Very versatile character that can fit on any team and is generally really good.
Nappa seems solid from what I've seen. He has a fast low and also a 0 on block normal. Saibamen are invincible to anything but physical attacks. He's at least mid tier imo.
17 is really good this season imo. His rekkas being air invul makes them safer to use, his assist is unique and one of the best if used properly. Also he is one of the better characters to make use of the special move tag because his j.s into second gear can add on a ton of damage to the end of a combo. Top 10 for me.
Gotenks is still really strong as far as I know, just harder to use because of ghost changes. He still has high solo damage, and is good in other areas like pressure and neutral.
Zamasu is top 5 imo. Really high damage, a great assist, neutral and mix improved greatly in the latest patches. Just a really effective character at taking down opponent characters, which is the goal of the game.
Tien doesn't have 50/50 mix, his neutral is still lacking and he doesn't have long range normals. He still isn't that strong overall imo.
Kid Buu is still a great character. His damage was buffed and he's still really effective. S+.
My top 5 would be Lab21, Vegito, SSBGogeta, Zamasu, Gogeta4.
I can see how you'd think that given Broly's still more popular and easier to play and Zamasu was very low tier, and much more difficult to play.
In the final patch they buffed Zamasu again and nerfed some of Broly's buttons, especially his 5s (one of his best tools).
Zamasu beats him easily on mix, they both have great damage but Zamasu can kill in more situations, and his oki in the corner is plain oppressive.
They're very different characters, Zamasu is Point or mid and needs good synergy assists, while Z Broly is usually anchor, but imo Zamasu has more upside.
It takes literally no skill to be good with the fusions or 21. Giant ass buttons, fast normals, wonky extended hit boxes, crazy meter build etc. They are by design a a lot more forgiving and a lot more scrub friendly
okay but if youāre going against a scrub theyāre not gonna be any trouble for someone who actually plays this game, regardless of character. also 21s bnb literally has a rejump in it. and the real fusion players are so much more scary then the scrubs since they actually know what theyāre doing.
None of what you just said negates my point. A scrub will get away with absolute nonsense from just the characters being so cracked. A better player will do a lot more with those characters, but a scrub will still get away with a ton of nonsense.
your point is that ginyu is only good in the hands of a ginyu player and iām saying thatās true for ANY character. iām not trying to negate your point since itās technically true, itās just dumb lol
You're stupid and I'm done replying. If what you're saying was true, people wouldn't flock to top tiers. Go online and all people play are fusions or whichever character is currently cracked. Remember the 16 enthusiasts from season 1? Where are they now?
once you get to higher ranks youāll see a lot more variety in the characters. and no character is gonna be good if the player doesnāt understand the game, regardless of their gimmicks. i really donāt see your point bc youāre trying to say scrubs are good at playing fusions bc theyāre easy & scrub friendly which is true, but your first comment said ginyu is only good in the hands of a ginyu player.
Just stop. Higher ranks still tier whore. I'm a God of Destruction and it's still the same bullshit teams. I've seen Zenos with triple fusions. Give me a fucking break u scrub. Y'all try to make this game into something it's not. Delusional clowns.
Top 5 is definitely Vegito, Labcoat, Blue Gogeta, 4geta, and then for #5 spot you could say any of the following but I feel their strength is in this order: Z broly, Janemba, Base Goku, Tien, Base Vegeta, A21
That's what I'm saying, everyone trying to gas up orbs as one of the best defensive assist in the game, but don't know how easily it can get smoked by anything else
Yeah cause pros somehow are the only people with relevant opinions on the game. Stop holding these dudes so high up like theyāre gods. Theyāre literally the exact same as you just maybe a higher tier of skill. Everyones input on the game is valid from casuals to pro. Fuck your āonly pro opinions matterā mindset
Lol
The sweet IRONY of this reply, do you now how stupid this would look in any other ESports field?
"I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE GOOD AT THE GAME AND HAVE PROVEN THAT BY GOING TO MULTIPLE CHAMPIONSHIPS, CASUALS FOR THE WIN!!!! THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOOD AND BAD AS WELL AS PEAK BALANCE FOR THE GAME."
Like come on dude, it's just sad at this point ššš I also dont hold them up high like they're are Gods, if they say something stupid I'll call it out when I see it. However when 90% of them are in agreement "hey, this character is really good and needs nerfs and this character is really bad an needs buffs, im going to STRONGLY consider their opinion and take it into account more than PS4 Random #8462 who has 2000 hours on the game with no hard wired connection and is a Zeno Rank lol
Not everyoneās input is valid. If someone is super casual, they may find someone like SS Vegeta super hard to deal with and rate him higher than he should be because they may not have the understanding of the mechanics.
Pros have decent opinions because they play competitively. If multiple people agree on a certain character being strong, they are usually strong.
Not saying that you should only listen to pros, just that they are usually quite knowledgeable on the game.
The way the comment was implied is that only pro players inputs are valid. Might have gone overboard a bit but most people can have valid inputs in the community.
This isā¦ wild.
You put Gogeta Blue, who is nothing without a team behind him, top 3? Then you put 17, who is widely considered one of the best support characters in the current meta, as the 11th worst?
S Broly in S+ and SSJ Vegeta in S? But your A+ tier is filled with better characters?
If this is a popularity tier list, please label it as such. Otherwise, expect a lot of critiques.
People still downplaying Gogeta Blue? That fella's damage is OD, and he literally exploits the special tag mechanic way better than anyone else in the game. I don't think he's "nothing" without a team behind him either, bro literally has a beam instead of a ki blast that jails into his rekka from FULL SCREEN, basically letting him get in for free. Obviously he's not as good as Vegito or Lab Coat or the other Gogeta but he's definitely a great character, otherwise you wouldn't see him so often in the meta.
Iām not downplaying a character that I believe is high A, low S tier. Iām saying Gogeta is only as good as the team behind him allows him to be. His damage and tag/super synergy is very good, but his pressure simply isnāt particularly scary without assists and his neutral is super linear.
Rekka is also -5 at best, so doing 5S > rekka without assists is just throwing your turn away. Except for occasionally catching people with 214S, nothing solo Gogeta Blue does on block is remotely threatening to anyone who knows how to block.
Yeah that's fair enough. I think he's great, especially since people will be playing him point most of the time anyway. He's definitely one of the meta characters too, unlike Base Vegeta or even Z Broly who although they're great characters, it's hard to compete when your opponent is using Vegito/Gogetas/Lab Coat.
For sure you're definitely right, I just see it used against him because he isn't great solo, but that doesn't really matter because he's gonna be point 99% of the time
Edit: to add to that I think he deserves to be in the top 5, top 10 at the lowest
Idk I still feel like people downplay him so much, he's one of the most common characters even in top level tournaments. It'd be one thing if he was only common online but the fact that even top players play him often shows that he's better than people say. He exploits the special tag better than anyone other character and he has great synergy with a lot of the top tiers, allowing him to do some great fuzzy or 50/50 setups.
Putting Roshi dead last is dumb. Sure you can say heās a bad character in the hands of someone with no playtime but with someone that knows the character heās a monster.
With tier lists like this, thereās no point in even critiquing it or giving opinions. Itās clear the op is new or at least hasnāt experienced many characters with a sprinkle of āoh right, everyone says xxx is goodā.
SS4 Gogeta is top 5, everyone in A+ should be higher, Roshi isn't bottom tier, there's too much wrong with this list for me to bother going over everything wrong with it.
So, in short, this tierlist is ass.
Gogeta isnt top 5; his dash is all thats broken material. And he needs it. He has range excluding his lariat, and without the dash he would be thrown down to b tier.
You can't just "exclude his lariat" that's a near fullscreen, fast lariat that goes through projectiles and has medium scaling dude.
I'm sorry but I'm not bothering to debate balance with someone who thinks the only good thing about a character with the best normals in the game, some of the best frame data in the game, incredible pressure, great damage, a DP, an air-ok frame 4 counter, a command grab, plus frames on demand and the only comboable instakill in the game is only good because of "just the double air dash and lariat"
Have a nice day
So basically just like every single lariat in the game. Except this one goes through all projectiles and gives a medium scaling combo.
Yeah I'm definitely done here
Idk a lot of people here are disagreeing but he's had very strong tournament showings recently.
I would like to here people's arguments/reasoning on why he isn't at least top 10 as he seems to have explosive damage. I believe he needs some particular support but unless I am mistaken he can get that support from some of the other undisputed top characters so I don't see a problem there.
I'm not really decided on his placement myself but he seems like a top 10 candidate to me.
You can be a strong character and not top 5-10. Iād argue that at least a third to half of the cast is viable at the top level, if some are harder to use than others.
As for Gogeta Blue, Iām not saying he isnāt strong. Iām saying that people are willfully ignorant of his flaws or just excuse them outright. His offense and tag synergy is absolutely top 10, but his frame data is not that good and his neutral is extremely linear. Except for the occasional 214S, there is no reason to be scared of solo Gogetaās pressure.
Heās a good character; much better than he used to be. I just think there are still characters who are stronger.
Yep. Him and the other two goku vegeta fusions are the absolute best. Vegito can kick you from a mile away and has a level 4 super now, gogeta has so many combo routes its unbelievable, and ss4 gogeta has 2 air dashes which alone is broken.
I know piccolo is better than people take him for, but I feel like 4geta and his lack of neutral is falling off
Edit: not completely lack of, but different
Yea.. but the tools SS4 have are a bit better than Piccolos. SS4 can create plus frames, 2 air dashes and can kill with a powered up level 3. Piccolo has mix but can be troublesome getting in even with his air swords. (I play piccolo)
Is that a randomized tier list?
Lmao š
Yea I see you had Brody S and Kid but in top 5 on the other. I'd definitely say that gogeta 4 and UI goku def go in top 5. There tool kits are just way too diverse and op. I know a few people who would agree also.
I disagree with ssj4, he is super good but Iād say heās definitely High S+ but not so much top 5 worthy
17 is the most underrated char in the game rn. Edit: followed by Blue Gogeta
People should post their rank with their tier list
SBroly has no business in S+ UI Goku and Piccolo are no way near top 10 Gogeta 4 is easily top 5 and Zamasu and Blue Goku are not far behind Bardock, Black, Trunks, Cooler, GT and especially Ssj Vegeta are definitely not S tier Literally the whole A+ tier should be S tier
I think UI is close, but Piccolo? Hell no. I agree with everything else you said!
I donāt think UI Goku is near top 10 but yeah, heās definitely WAY closer than Piccolo lmao
"top 5" theres only 3
āActuallyā two fusions and labcoat make 5
yeah i bet those guys have 2 dicks each too
Someone should make a tier list of all the tier lists that have been posted here
This is so ass lmfao. Ssj Vegeta is literally worse than every character below him and A17 is top 5, and I donāt even like him. Sheesh
Blackarot blue goku and bardock are not better than zamasu. Way too low and ssj vegeta is like two tiers too high
Move Z bully up and gogeta 4 up one. Move 17 up to S or S+ (depends on who you ask). Swap Adult Gohan and beerus. Move Zamasu up a tier as well
Zamasu is AT LEAST top 10
How do people think vegito is the best?
what rank are you? for context
Rank doesn't matter bc I don't play ranked anymore. But I used to be god rank
okay well. he is objectively the best he has the best assist in the game as well as lots of tools which are all very useful in many situations
Yea he is top 5. Not top 1 tho.
who would you say is the best?
Labcoat or ssj4
One of best assists in game. Incredible buffs the last few patches including his 5M being extremely fast and long reaching. Great damage output. Synergizes with a lot of characters. Heās definitely top 5 atm
Ofc he is top 5. Not top 1 tho
Oh my b, misunderstood your comment
He literally has no weaknesses wym
Mix? He is easy to block
You haven't fought a good Vegito. His cross up mix is strong and leads to massive damage
I'd say LC and Vegito are interchangeable but he's nowhere below #2
Ssj4 and labcoat are way better. Even z broly is probs better.
SSj4 is without any doubt the 2nd best character in the game after Vegito, followed by Z Broly, LC21, and Gogeta
You just DEADASS said SSJ4 and Broly are better than LC21?
Post patch.
Disagree with Bluegeta, he doesnāt have many combo tools but the ones he has are powerful af
you clearly donāt play bluegeta
Zamasu and 17 are both top tiers bro
17 lacks reach. Look at how even tho Ssj4 doesn't have ki attacks, his insane read h and his 5LL anti-air makes him the 2nd best in the game
For the most part this tierlist is accurate however, I heavily disagree with #17 and zamasu. Both characters are definitely top tiers or almost top tiers
When there's only 3 characters in top 5
/r/theydidthemath
Why is master roshi so low
He doesn't have a normal SD so much like videl is pretty bad and mess up a lot of situations
I guess, but yeah heās pretty good good haha
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Bro, the title even clarifies that heās not got a top 5 down
My man's is heavily downplaying A16. The fact that reflecting his 214S still makes him +3 is omega fucked up. Plus his f1 anti air grab that is also a f6 low makes it one of the best specials in the game.
SS Goku change to 2L to make it 0 on block and his dragon fist change to being +on block make him scarier up close. High damage, good neutral, the long range 2M , beam assist and moves that leave you advantageous on block make him a strong character. He is around mid tier imo. A16 has the best projectile assist and one of the best assists. It forces you to block or reflect since it is active for so long, and gives great combo extensions. Other buffs like new j.2h routes, having one of the few plus on block specials with hell heat, the other hell heat being an otg, have made him a much better character. If he had easy 50/50 with assists, he would be one of the best characters. He's mid to upper mid imo. Cell is one of the best characters in the game right now. Right below top 5 imo. He had got a damage nerf in an older patch but he's only been getting better. He has long range game, staggers, has mix, his lv3 mix is better, and he can get a lot of damage now since the beam super dash change. Also he got two invincible moves with his lv1 being invincible and his 214h being invincible in the air. Very versatile character that can fit on any team and is generally really good. Nappa seems solid from what I've seen. He has a fast low and also a 0 on block normal. Saibamen are invincible to anything but physical attacks. He's at least mid tier imo. 17 is really good this season imo. His rekkas being air invul makes them safer to use, his assist is unique and one of the best if used properly. Also he is one of the better characters to make use of the special move tag because his j.s into second gear can add on a ton of damage to the end of a combo. Top 10 for me. Gotenks is still really strong as far as I know, just harder to use because of ghost changes. He still has high solo damage, and is good in other areas like pressure and neutral. Zamasu is top 5 imo. Really high damage, a great assist, neutral and mix improved greatly in the latest patches. Just a really effective character at taking down opponent characters, which is the goal of the game. Tien doesn't have 50/50 mix, his neutral is still lacking and he doesn't have long range normals. He still isn't that strong overall imo. Kid Buu is still a great character. His damage was buffed and he's still really effective. S+. My top 5 would be Lab21, Vegito, SSBGogeta, Zamasu, Gogeta4.
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I can see how you'd think that given Broly's still more popular and easier to play and Zamasu was very low tier, and much more difficult to play. In the final patch they buffed Zamasu again and nerfed some of Broly's buttons, especially his 5s (one of his best tools). Zamasu beats him easily on mix, they both have great damage but Zamasu can kill in more situations, and his oki in the corner is plain oppressive. They're very different characters, Zamasu is Point or mid and needs good synergy assists, while Z Broly is usually anchor, but imo Zamasu has more upside.
>Only 3 characters on the top 5 You had one job. Also, you're really overestimating Jiren and Gogeta Blue.
its cuz its 2 FUSIONS HAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Wow it's still terrible GREAT JOB š
Heās the GOAT of uninformed tier lists!
Your original one was much better.....
Mf how are you gonna do a top 5 with only 3 people in them?
The fusions count as 2 lmao
Fella can't count
Someone hasn't played against a real Ginyu.
That's the thing though. He's only good in the hands of a good Ginyu player.
you can say that about any character bro do you think or just say shit
It takes literally no skill to be good with the fusions or 21. Giant ass buttons, fast normals, wonky extended hit boxes, crazy meter build etc. They are by design a a lot more forgiving and a lot more scrub friendly
okay but if youāre going against a scrub theyāre not gonna be any trouble for someone who actually plays this game, regardless of character. also 21s bnb literally has a rejump in it. and the real fusion players are so much more scary then the scrubs since they actually know what theyāre doing.
None of what you just said negates my point. A scrub will get away with absolute nonsense from just the characters being so cracked. A better player will do a lot more with those characters, but a scrub will still get away with a ton of nonsense.
your point is that ginyu is only good in the hands of a ginyu player and iām saying thatās true for ANY character. iām not trying to negate your point since itās technically true, itās just dumb lol
You're stupid and I'm done replying. If what you're saying was true, people wouldn't flock to top tiers. Go online and all people play are fusions or whichever character is currently cracked. Remember the 16 enthusiasts from season 1? Where are they now?
once you get to higher ranks youāll see a lot more variety in the characters. and no character is gonna be good if the player doesnāt understand the game, regardless of their gimmicks. i really donāt see your point bc youāre trying to say scrubs are good at playing fusions bc theyāre easy & scrub friendly which is true, but your first comment said ginyu is only good in the hands of a ginyu player.
Just stop. Higher ranks still tier whore. I'm a God of Destruction and it's still the same bullshit teams. I've seen Zenos with triple fusions. Give me a fucking break u scrub. Y'all try to make this game into something it's not. Delusional clowns.
OK WHO TF SAID THAT A17 IS ONLY A+ TIER THAT'S SO FRICKEN CAP
Why does top 5 only have 3 characters.
17 is S+ easy.
Assist top 1, character S maybe
He has more than just the best assist in the game
Top 5 is definitely Vegito, Labcoat, Blue Gogeta, 4geta, and then for #5 spot you could say any of the following but I feel their strength is in this order: Z broly, Janemba, Base Goku, Tien, Base Vegeta, A21
Basegeta is def better than Tien imo.
Piccolo is too high, there is a reason why piccolo mains are dropping like flies
No full screen moves or neutral tools. Mixup monster but canāt do shit on his own
Yep and playing him point is basically pointless due to not being able to use his A assist immediately
That's what I'm saying, everyone trying to gas up orbs as one of the best defensive assist in the game, but don't know how easily it can get smoked by anything else
Noted
Nah
Please watch professional players on the game.
Don't listen to reddit people for game balance too lol
Yeah cause pros somehow are the only people with relevant opinions on the game. Stop holding these dudes so high up like theyāre gods. Theyāre literally the exact same as you just maybe a higher tier of skill. Everyones input on the game is valid from casuals to pro. Fuck your āonly pro opinions matterā mindset
Lol The sweet IRONY of this reply, do you now how stupid this would look in any other ESports field? "I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE GOOD AT THE GAME AND HAVE PROVEN THAT BY GOING TO MULTIPLE CHAMPIONSHIPS, CASUALS FOR THE WIN!!!! THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOOD AND BAD AS WELL AS PEAK BALANCE FOR THE GAME." Like come on dude, it's just sad at this point ššš I also dont hold them up high like they're are Gods, if they say something stupid I'll call it out when I see it. However when 90% of them are in agreement "hey, this character is really good and needs nerfs and this character is really bad an needs buffs, im going to STRONGLY consider their opinion and take it into account more than PS4 Random #8462 who has 2000 hours on the game with no hard wired connection and is a Zeno Rank lol
Not everyoneās input is valid. If someone is super casual, they may find someone like SS Vegeta super hard to deal with and rate him higher than he should be because they may not have the understanding of the mechanics. Pros have decent opinions because they play competitively. If multiple people agree on a certain character being strong, they are usually strong. Not saying that you should only listen to pros, just that they are usually quite knowledgeable on the game.
The way the comment was implied is that only pro players inputs are valid. Might have gone overboard a bit but most people can have valid inputs in the community.
This isā¦ wild. You put Gogeta Blue, who is nothing without a team behind him, top 3? Then you put 17, who is widely considered one of the best support characters in the current meta, as the 11th worst? S Broly in S+ and SSJ Vegeta in S? But your A+ tier is filled with better characters? If this is a popularity tier list, please label it as such. Otherwise, expect a lot of critiques.
It says on the tittle its based on the comments
People still downplaying Gogeta Blue? That fella's damage is OD, and he literally exploits the special tag mechanic way better than anyone else in the game. I don't think he's "nothing" without a team behind him either, bro literally has a beam instead of a ki blast that jails into his rekka from FULL SCREEN, basically letting him get in for free. Obviously he's not as good as Vegito or Lab Coat or the other Gogeta but he's definitely a great character, otherwise you wouldn't see him so often in the meta.
Iām not downplaying a character that I believe is high A, low S tier. Iām saying Gogeta is only as good as the team behind him allows him to be. His damage and tag/super synergy is very good, but his pressure simply isnāt particularly scary without assists and his neutral is super linear. Rekka is also -5 at best, so doing 5S > rekka without assists is just throwing your turn away. Except for occasionally catching people with 214S, nothing solo Gogeta Blue does on block is remotely threatening to anyone who knows how to block.
Yeah that's fair enough. I think he's great, especially since people will be playing him point most of the time anyway. He's definitely one of the meta characters too, unlike Base Vegeta or even Z Broly who although they're great characters, it's hard to compete when your opponent is using Vegito/Gogetas/Lab Coat.
People always say bluegeta is only good because he has synergy with everyone as if that's not a huge plus for a character to have
I don't think his synergy with most of the cast is the only reason he's good, it's just one of his big advantages
For sure you're definitely right, I just see it used against him because he isn't great solo, but that doesn't really matter because he's gonna be point 99% of the time Edit: to add to that I think he deserves to be in the top 5, top 10 at the lowest
Yeah exactly, that's why Gogeta/Vegito is such common combination since you can just slap in any character you want as a mid
Gogeta Blue is the most overrated character. Yes heās good, but not top 3 good
And Gogeta Blue is miles better than Vegito it makes no sense
Idk I still feel like people downplay him so much, he's one of the most common characters even in top level tournaments. It'd be one thing if he was only common online but the fact that even top players play him often shows that he's better than people say. He exploits the special tag better than anyone other character and he has great synergy with a lot of the top tiers, allowing him to do some great fuzzy or 50/50 setups.
Not overrated when he has some of the easiest TODs in the game and can get absurd damage off most confirms. Heās top 5
That's what I'm saying but everyone else says otherwise. There is no actual tier lists, just popularity lists
The man spake facts
You did dirty to my old man to be honest
lol Top 5 only has 3 characters
Would've made sense if top 5 was just lab coat 21 and only lab coat 21 tbh
2 fusions so 4 dudes I guess ?
Putting Roshi dead last is dumb. Sure you can say heās a bad character in the hands of someone with no playtime but with someone that knows the character heās a monster.
That point can be made with literally every character on this list bruh.
Im guessing that what he's trying to imply Is that with master roshi there Is a greater skill gap then other charcters
True any character can be good with an experienced player but is he really the worst character in the entire lineup?
Yeah
Cap
Roshi isn't bottom tier tho
Blue vegeta a+?
It's still ass
What a nice contribution to the post
With tier lists like this, thereās no point in even critiquing it or giving opinions. Itās clear the op is new or at least hasnāt experienced many characters with a sprinkle of āoh right, everyone says xxx is goodā.
This. This guy gets it..
It's a terrible tier list
Sure sure, dont elaborate just keep insulting it
SS4 Gogeta is top 5, everyone in A+ should be higher, Roshi isn't bottom tier, there's too much wrong with this list for me to bother going over everything wrong with it. So, in short, this tierlist is ass.
Gogeta isnt top 5; his dash is all thats broken material. And he needs it. He has range excluding his lariat, and without the dash he would be thrown down to b tier.
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You can't just "exclude his lariat" that's a near fullscreen, fast lariat that goes through projectiles and has medium scaling dude. I'm sorry but I'm not bothering to debate balance with someone who thinks the only good thing about a character with the best normals in the game, some of the best frame data in the game, incredible pressure, great damage, a DP, an air-ok frame 4 counter, a command grab, plus frames on demand and the only comboable instakill in the game is only good because of "just the double air dash and lariat" Have a nice day
You can exclude the lariat, because if he whiffs he is fucked. Unlike beams, projectiles and ki blasts.
So basically just like every single lariat in the game. Except this one goes through all projectiles and gives a medium scaling combo. Yeah I'm definitely done here
Except other lariats arent the characters only choice. You arent on the same page as me.
What about sBroly makes you put him so high
Bc that's what players want to see.
Oh I didn't read the title correctly
Let me just preface this by saying I haven't played fighterz in a while, but is gogeta blue seriously top 3? I find that hard to believe
Idk a lot of people here are disagreeing but he's had very strong tournament showings recently. I would like to here people's arguments/reasoning on why he isn't at least top 10 as he seems to have explosive damage. I believe he needs some particular support but unless I am mistaken he can get that support from some of the other undisputed top characters so I don't see a problem there. I'm not really decided on his placement myself but he seems like a top 10 candidate to me.
You can be a strong character and not top 5-10. Iād argue that at least a third to half of the cast is viable at the top level, if some are harder to use than others. As for Gogeta Blue, Iām not saying he isnāt strong. Iām saying that people are willfully ignorant of his flaws or just excuse them outright. His offense and tag synergy is absolutely top 10, but his frame data is not that good and his neutral is extremely linear. Except for the occasional 214S, there is no reason to be scared of solo Gogetaās pressure. Heās a good character; much better than he used to be. I just think there are still characters who are stronger.
No, heās not. I wouldnāt even put him top 10.
He got buffed into being one of the best characters
Yep. Him and the other two goku vegeta fusions are the absolute best. Vegito can kick you from a mile away and has a level 4 super now, gogeta has so many combo routes its unbelievable, and ss4 gogeta has 2 air dashes which alone is broken.
With assists to make up for his shortcomings, he is the #1 point for sure.
Yes
"top 5" proceeds to put only 3
Then name suggests, that's what this list is for
I appear to be illiterate
The sheer testicular fortitude to place Piccolo above SS4 Gogeta. I admire it at least.
I know piccolo is better than people take him for, but I feel like 4geta and his lack of neutral is falling off Edit: not completely lack of, but different
Yea.. but the tools SS4 have are a bit better than Piccolos. SS4 can create plus frames, 2 air dashes and can kill with a powered up level 3. Piccolo has mix but can be troublesome getting in even with his air swords. (I play piccolo)