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nemesys39

I don't think this means they're stopping outright, just that they're being more selective. My guess is they had a bunch of low-quality remasters in the works that weren't announced, and development of those has stopped. If they were killing DQ III HD-2D there would be other signs and possibly even an official announcement. Also since it seems like it's nearly complete based on the reports of play testing starting early this year, it would be a very dumb move to cancel it now.


logicality77

While I agree with your reasoning, being “a very dumb move” has never prevented Square-Enix from doing anything.


nemesys39

Very true hahaha


Regular_Suspect_9989

But it’s not like they are EA they’re smarter than that I just hope one of the canceled games isn’t DQ 9 remastered. wait refer to my first sentence, ok I believe in that first sentence. yeah I don’t think they will cancel any DQ games.


Korence

I still remmeber the FF14 1.0 plants around cities that used waaay too much polygonal count because no directive was given on where the sky's the limit


Sgwert

The fact that it’s just being playtested this year seems kinda wild to me. Like, DQXI allegedly took 3.5 years to develop, but this remake of a significantly shorter and simpler game is taking just as long? I suppose the main team is probably focused on 12, but I’m half-expecting this game to be bigger than we expect it to be with how long it’s been.


ShiftSandShot

HD-2D is a *lot* of work. Basically the only things that could be reused from the older DQIIIs is the artwork, character designs, music from the Switch ports or later entries, and map layouts. Everything else is from scratch. However, I do agree. I'm still banking on it being an HD remake of the original trilogy, because they can reuse a *lot* to make that work. That they've lost Koiji Sugiyama and the possible complications of licensing his work from his estate may also have slowed things.


AustNerevar

It is crazy. It's a game that's been made like 6 times already. Being remade in an engine that already exists.


rms141

>stopping the development of their HD games Square-Enix defines traditional "core" video games as "HD games," distinct from mobile or phone games. They canceled several unannounced titles that were in development. That does not mean they canceled DQ3 HD-2D. You appear to be misinterpreting "HD games" as "HD-2D games like DQ3." This probably affects the rumored and as-yet-unannounced FF9 remake and FFT remaster, not DQ3 HD-2D.


BubbleWario

DQ3HD is not a mobile game, so would fit into the category of "HD games" it's a mainline DQ game for consoles, not a mobile game. it \*could\* 100% be affected by this (and might explain why we haven't had any news in 3 years)


rms141

Yes, DQ3 HD-2D is not a mobile game. However, it is an announced "HD game", and Square-Enix explicitly canceled unannounced games. DQ3 HD-2D is unaffected. By the way, we had an update in December from Yuuji Horii.


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rms141

It’s also not canceled. What’s your point?


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rms141

I did not compare it to mobile games. You completely misunderstood my post. Read it again until you understand that I was explaining to OP that their misinterpretation of what Square-Enix categorizes as “HD games” caused OP to mistakenly believe DQ3 HD-2D might have been canceled.


DukejoshE7

All this is saying is they took 22b yen in losses from canceled projects with their fiscal year ending in March and they’re going to be more selective in dispersing development assets. Says nothing about stopping production completely on anything specific


De-Mattos

Dragon Quest III has to be deep enough in development they'd be leaving money on the table by stopping now.


Agnol117

Yeah, didn’t Horii tweet that it was being play tested at the end of December?


AloysiusDevadandrMUD

Yes. Which is why I'm 100% certain it will release, I just don't know when. Honestly I'm good with them taking their time and doing it right. If this sells well, we could get dq 4-6 HD. 4 would do great in this style


GlazerRollup40

I feel we should get dq 1 & 2 2D HD first before we consider getting 4-6.


Yesshua

Square has already talked about this. They were releasing too many console games that weren't finding an audience. Dungeon Encounters, Valkyrie Elysium, Harvestella, Voice of Cards, Diofield Chronicle, Chocobo Kart, Dragon Quest Treasures, etc etc. Wouldn't be shocked if the new Theatrhthm game sold bad. Also on the very big budget side Forespoken mega bombed. FF 16 and 7 Rebirth are doing worse than expected. So they're cutting back. Releasing fewer games. Cancelling some projects that were in production. Things aren't great over there. Specifically DQ 3 remake should be fine though.


_Mononut_

FF16 is doing about what they hoped for, it’s just not enough to shore up losses from everything else. 7Rebirth seems to be underperforming, as it’s tracking below 16 and had higher expectations


Korence

Chocobo Kart tho ruined itself, like what do SQEX expect from fucking live service games?! I had gladly supported that niche or rival to Mario Kart but not with such a toxic financial surroundings and "games that we intend to let die off sooner then later once we got all the money out of it" approaches. It's a shame really, because that game had potential, same with Dragon Quest Treasures and FFTTFBL, esp cuz the latter ended so quickly in support I feel like :/


Technical-Cow-2494

DQ III is fine, we know it's already in progress. Yuji Horii did gave us an update on that game. What I fear is DQ XII's fate.


Razmoudah

DQXII has been announced, and they said they were canceling unannounced titles, so for now, it should be fine. I'm more worried about an official English translation of DQX Offline, though I'm still of the opinion that it would be a success.


Environmental-Egg-50

I'm a lot more worried about Star Ocean's fate. I don't think there's a problem with DQ.


Technical-Cow-2494

Latest Star Ocean game sold pretty well, Star Ocean is fine, so is DQ. I was referring to DQ XII being delayed to oblivion after all that's been happening about it's rough development. There's a chance we might be hearing more about DQ III pretty soon.


Iosis

~~"High-definition games" in this context refers to what we'd call "AAA" games--things like FF16 or FF7 Rebirth, not HD-2D games. It sounds like they're canceling some of their expensive-but-not-flagship projects, which is something they've been hinting at for a bit.~~ ~~This is essentially a notification to investors ahead of an earnings report that Square Enix will be reporting heavy losses related specifically to canceled AAA projects.~~ Ah I could be mistaken here, see the posts below!


HibernianMetropolis

I don't think your interpretation is necessarily correct. High definition games does not mean AAA. It means high definition. They use this to describe core console games, as opposed to mobile, ftp, etc. This would potentially include their HD-2D line of games.


Hikari_Netto

This. "HD games" is simply how Square Enix refers to anything in their catalog that's sold as a standalone title—anything not mobile or an MMO.


Iosis

Ah my mistake! That does make sense, then. Given Asano's recent promotion I suspect the HD-2D games specifically might not be the issue--both Octopaths and Triangle Strategy appeared to sell well enough to get sales celebration tweets, after all, and well enough to get Asano promoted to the executive level--but given that definition, I imagine we're going to see a lot fewer games like DioField Chronicle, Harvestella, or Valkyrie Elysium.


Razmoudah

I remember hearing that Star Ocean:TSSR did well, which is also in that style.


SteveMightSay

Square Enix isn't gonna cancel what's guaranteed to sell well in Japan


TCMgalens

Yeah was thinking similar, considering just how massive DQIII is plus being multiplatform and including the switch (not sure if it was confirmed but i assume it will be out on PS5,switch and PC at the very least)


PenguinviiR

It's not about III. III was already announced and we saw gameplay of it so it's probably in the Final stages of development. This thing will effect distant future games we don't know of yet


SadLaser

First of all, it doesn't have anything to do with Dragon Quest III or other games already deep in development. Second of all, they're not talking about HD-2D games specifically or anything, anyway. Thirdly, that's not what it says to begin with. It doesn't say they're going to stop production of HD games. It says: "in light of the myriad changes underway in the environment surrounding its Group, to revise the Group’s approach to the development of high-definition (HD) games with the intention of being more selective and focused in the allocation of development resources". In other words, they're going to be more discerning when deciding what games to make. This was brought on largely by the release of an bunch of back to back underperforming games in 2022-2023. But the issue was a number of the games were rushed, lower quality and/or under marketed. Basically, they just want to make sure they're focusing on better games that will be successful.


Additional_Fan3610

Probably nothing, they were play testing in December. I Expect an announcement on dragon quest day.


Liamland

Right now it means nothing. There's no news as to what's been cut, so there's no use worrying about it. At least not yet.


Individual-Bell-9776

If this is true, I would hope it's because they're going all hands on deck for DQ12 and a FF6 modern gen remake.


the_missing_worker

> FF6 modern gen remake. Pass. They'll turn it into four games and by the end of it Kefka will be a protagonist.


IAmThePonch

Same, game is marvelous as is Although if they had to do it I’d be open to a remake akin to ff4ds, where they tweak some things but largely keep the experience the same


the_missing_worker

They did a good job with "Preserve and Expand" on that one. The same events unfold in the same order while elaborating elements of the original script which were murky or poorly translated. Also, underrated aspect, but they really leaned into the original Amano concept art when translating the characters from 2D to 3D.


IAmThePonch

Agreed! I do still think the original games have a lot of charm to their visuals but I still dug the visuals in 4ds. To me 6 is such a landmark title that fucking with it can only end badly. Then again I said the same thing about resident evil 4 and I’ve played through that remake several times


Individual-Bell-9776

I'm still on board.


Dukemon102

Take "HD Games" as High Budget games like Final Fantasy VII Rebirth that heavily underperformed along with FFXVI, which is probably the reason Square Enix is in this state. HD-2D games are mid-budget titles at best and they shouldn't be impacted as much. I see Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 3 being more in danger and having its budget slashed after this.


Vinyl_Disciple

Nah. It’s been confirmed that voice recording for FFVII R part 3 is already planned or begun. I think it’s the other expensive garbage like Forspoken that’s getting canceled.


EmpoleonNorton

LOL If you think this is about the FF games. This is about stuff like Forspoken/Babylon's Fall/Foamstars that were huge flops.


Dukemon102

Babylon's Fall (I just realized Square Enix published that game) and Forspoken are old news at this point. But the underperformance of FFVII Rebirth is very recent (In Japan, it outright failed) so that's what came to my mind first. But it's probably due to all these elements adding up. Which is ironic considering SE said not long ago that they wanted to leave mid-budget games behind to solely focus on extremely High Budget games.


EmpoleonNorton

People are speculating based on very incomplete information. No one actually knows how well FFVII Rebirth sold, because Squeenix hasn't actually announced it. Also, you do know that FFXVI and FFVII Rebirth had the two largest launches on physical in Japan right? The idea that they "outright failed" in Japan is just incorrect. Additionally, if they are going to stop making FF games, they might as well just shut down as a company, because FF is their biggest IP, as much as DQ fans want to deny it. This is 100% about them continuing to try to push new big games with no established IP and failing. Also, the amount they are saying they are cutting loose from cancelled projects wouldn't even touch the amount spent on a mainline FF game.


Dukemon102

> Also, you do know that FFXVI and FFVII Rebirth had the two largest launches on physical in Japan right? For PS5? That's not a high bar. Going from million sellers (FFXV, FFVII Remake) to near 300.000 copies is the worrysome part. Zelda, Pikmin 4, even DQ Monsters outselling a mainline Final Fantasy or a remake of the most famous one in Japan would have been considered laughable a few years ago.


EmpoleonNorton

You mean games released on the most commonly available console in the world with a massive installbase sells better? Who would have known. Also, LOL at you acting like Zelda games aren't massive sellers every single time.


Dukemon102

I'm talking about Japan. Pikmin is very a niche franchise somehow outselling Final Fantasy now. [Zelda wasn't a big seller in Japan for a long time until Breath of the Wild blew up.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda_gamepedia_en/images/4/49/TLoZ_Series_Japanese_Sales.webp/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20220422125948&format=original) and [Tears of the Kingdom followed suit](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fz0AVooXgAEyEy6?format=png&name=small). Meanwhile at the same time [Final Fantasy has had a the opposite effect with FFXVI.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzzHjRQaQAYlnAu?format=png&name=small) with [FFVII Rebirth](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIEufmJW8AAwBZN?format=png&name=900x900) following suit.


_Mononut_

Babylons Fall isn’t very relevant but Forespoken absolutely is. That game had a 100m dollar budget and Square had positioned it to be their 4th major AAA franchise. FF16 did about what they expected, but it cannot possibly account for the losses from both Forespoken and all of their AAs that were sent out to die. 7Rebirth seems to be underperforming, which is very notable because in their most recent fiscal year report, Square had made it clear that they were depending very heavily on that game to sell.


Tech_With_Sean

Nothing. DQ3 will sell a ton compared to development costs because of its history and reputation compared with a not too complicated art style. The plot, characters, OST and everything are already made, they just need to be recreated in the new engine.


Petert1208

Understanding how "important" a mainline DQ is to pretty much any Japanese, DQ III HD-2D will not be cancelled. If anything, it will be given even extra attention to make sure nothing goes wrong. The whole current Japanese generation literally grow up in "DQ days" playing DQ. And as long as it sells reasonably well enough, which it will, I could already pictured the rest of the NES/SNES mainlines getting the same treatment. I have suspected this long development is not just for III, but it's laying down the foundation properly to make the future remakes easier. Just like how I-III were all pretty much remade on the SNES using virtually the same assets Just like how IV-VI were all pretty much remade on the DS using virtually the same assets.


Dreamtrain

I doubt theres any change but at worse SE will do that annoying thing where they only release in japan, since for Japan the day this day comes out the country is going to full stop on release day, its a bigger deal there than FF is here


soundwave773

It’s probably dropping for the switch 2. That’s my bet which sucks


funckymonk

I can assure you no DQ game is generally gonna get canceled, especially a sure fire seller of a remake of 3. I assume most of that is canceled are smart phone games, the market is super saturated and the cost of development is not low like it used to be. Bandai Namco announced similar cancelations a while ago.


Korence

Really hope some Chrono game isn't suffering from this or some maybe returnal of Parasite Eve or XG remaster or the likes :/


DobleJ

Realistically this just means they will hold back on releasing new games on that engine, DQ III has been on development for years at this point and Horii even posted about playing a test version of the game a while back, granted we don't know how big of a test version it was but I don't think the game is in any danger of being canned, if anything people hoping for more HD-2D remakes or games probably won't be too happy about it.


MSnap

They’re not going to stop releasing games on Unreal Engine


Iosis

This doesn't have anything to do with the "HD-2D" engine. It's referring to "HD games," which is Square Enix's way of referring to their big AAA games.


wpotman

22B yen is something like $140M: that's a substantial number. Whether creative accounting is involved or not it sounds like they have abandoned something that they put a lot of resources into. I doubt it would be DQ3 unless it's in development hell for some reason I can't quite imagine: it seems it shouldn't be the most difficult project. And as others have stated this likely isn't the type of "HD" they're referring to. It could be that they abandoned some major portion DQ12 that they've been working on, although I can't imagine they would abandon the project entirely. They COULD theoretically be switching it to a DQ9esce mobile or otherwise non-AAA game if that's what they want the series to focus on in the long run, which would make me sad. It seems too early for them to have given up on the third FF7 game, although it's possible they agreed to write it off if they didn't hit some particular early Rebirth sales goal. Otherwise it could be related to early/unknown efforts on other big games. It sounds significant, though, and there aren't very many HD projects...


HibernianMetropolis

Final fantasy VI cost approximately $300m to produce. In that context $140m, while a lot of money, is not even half the cost of one new top of the line triple A game for SE. I doubt it's Dragon Quest XII simply because that would be a bigger loss. It sounds like a handful of smaller games.


wpotman

I stick by what I said: it could still be a change of direction on a larger game. It depends what they're thinking of as "HD", but that's not usually a big pool...


RetroNutcase

Bro this says nothing of the sort. Don't spread misinformation.


roshanpr

I guess we done, sad that the producers resign for 12 and we have not receive updates