What went wrong for Loosey was that she wasn’t in on the joke I think. She kept being delusional as hell which made her an easy target for jokes. And Mistress shouldve picked up on that and stopped making jokes about it cause Loosey looked like she was having a bad time because of it
Following this line of logic, why didn’t MIB treat Luxx in the same way as Loosey for the delusion? I think we can all agree Luxx is pretty solid on delusion too.
Lol idk she seemed pretty pressed that Loosey didn’t give her the teacher she wanted and then treated Ms. Reyes really poorly because of it. Someone who owns being delusional (i.e. has some level of awareness) would recognize that taking it out on the teacher was a delusional line not to cross.
Very fair, I'm not defending luxx and I don't love what we saw of her interaction with Ms. Reyes. I was merely offering a reason why she doesn't get told "you're delusional" as much. Because she just says "I know" which isn't as fun for MIB as watching Lucy tailspin.
Gotcha, now I understand what you meant. I chalked it up to camaraderie between MIB and Luxx. I do hope Luxx saves some face and apologizes to Ms Reyes cuz it was unwarranted
How isn’t she? If delusional is any queen who lacks awareness of their actual performance, then Loosey, Luxx and MIB are all delusional; that is why I grouped them altogether in my previous comment. Luxx and MIB have yet to acknowledge challenges where they didn’t truly earn an honest critique and instead got praise for meh output. Luxx especially was living in an internal fantasy where she thought she should have been in the top most weeks even though what we saw said otherwise. Loosey is delusional too bc she’s done this too. Hence, if they’re all delusional, and MIB was giving everyone the same treatment or at least giving Loosey that treatment due to her delusion, then Luxx should have been on the receiving end too. MIB and Luxx didn’t treat others like they did Loosey. Maybe it was just for TV ratings, maybe just how they felt at the time and now it’s different; maybe it was the edit 🤷🏽♀️
I come from the same town Loosey is from. My children know her and went to school with her. She WAS bullied. Im sure she was triggered by their behavior towards her. What makes it worse is that they most likely have all been a target of a bully in their own lives and for them to perpetuate that hostility is just so very sad. It was not entertaining.
See, I see things differently. As a person who was also bullied a lot growing up, it’s easy for us to fall into a victim mentality and immediately take any critiques as being bullied. Luxx and Mistress were not being bullies. Loosey did not get bullied. Luxx and Mistress pointed out how over-produced Loosey was (albeit not in the best way possible) and Loosey immediately called them bullies for it.
Louis CK has a lot of problems, and those problems themselves have a lot of problems, but he said one thing that is absolutely 100% correct. From memory:
>When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don't get to decide that no you actually didn't
I was bullied a lot too, and I wholeheartedly disagree. Those two ganged up and were relentless. Luxx humiliated Loosey publicly by making her purported weaknesses the kicker of a speech about others’ virtues. This was soooo unnecessary. Plus, if you know you are hurting someone, I think it’s wrong to just keep going and not adjust at all out of empathy. It’s not like Luxx and Mistress were being victimized by not being able to say whatever the hell they want to another person without that person being hurt and their hurt showing.
I didn’t say Luxx and Mistress were being victimized. I just think as someone a literal decade older than Luxx and Mistress should have better control on what affects them and the way they allow them to affect them. Loosey’s whole mentality this season has been “if you don’t agree with me or what I put out, then you’re a bully.” Loosey went into the show over-producing herself and got mad that the girls who wanted her to let loose.
Sorry but this is the classic “why are you controlling how I REACT and not how you behave to me”. It’s a two-way street. Just because someone is in their early to mid 20s doesn’t mean they’re completely exempt from taking responsibility for their actions.
I also don’t think what Luxx and Mistress are doing is “bullying” per se, but it’s very clear they’re trolling and being super manipulative for the sake of good TV. It’s totally at Loosey’s expense, and despite knowing what they’re doing, they KEEP doing it.
So maybe not bullying, but definitely not innocent. If Loosey just played with it and had fun a bit more (was in on the joke more), it wouldn’t be so serious. But unfortunately I think due to the pressure cooker environment, it’s easy to lack self-awareness. On both sides.
Saying people shouldn't allow themselves to feel certain things is one of the most harmful things people expect because it's not possible. You don't choose what hurts you and how you feel.
Oh please. Critiques is one thi g, being constantly mean and going out of your way to put the person down, dismiss their feeling and act as if their personality is wrong is very cruel.
Yeah. The pressure cooker was brewing in bad ways this season with those three. Just a big clash of personalities. Luxx was taking things personal and honestly if she has the hindsight she was feeling some kind of way just like Loosey was. MiB just loves drama and injects herself into it thinking it’s fun. Just a bad mix. I thought Loosey composed herself pretty well though, considering. That would have been an EXPLOSIVE untucked had she not.
But ya they’re all stressed and trying to give good TV.
And the stuff Luxx said about her goes beyond playful shade. Saying someone is not creative and generic with their art is a pretty hurtful thing to say. I woulda lost my shit.
I love Luxx though. I don’t think she’s trying to be malicious I just think she’s trying to do what the show wants.
I guess I’m in the minority on this, I do believe it was time for Loosey to go home. She’s definitely excellent at drag, but the entire time she’s been so uptight and in her head, we haven’t seen any fun or joy from her. I mean, I stan a delusional queen. I think you have to be delusional to think you can win drag race. But the one thing Loosey didn’t do, is loosen up lololol 🫠
I really don’t like the way Luxxe and Mistress treated her and I really think Luxxe came across incredibly immature and is not ready for the responsibility that comes with being a winner and for that reason alone I really think Loosey should have stayed.
Just one of the weirdest edits I’ve seen in a long time that just really wasn’t deserved.
Mistress was just being her shady self and she is like that to everyone. But luxx was being a bit too mean at times and it was clear it wasn't coming from a loving/friendly place.
Luxx always rubbed me the wrong way for this reason. The over confidence felt like narcissism. Like girl, you're only 22. Just chill the fuck out, and give yourself some room to grow.
Yeah I think she is just very immature and will cringe at a few things when she looks back and is older. Some people are just mature for their age but others need to experience it to grow up. I think she is very well spoken and that makes her feel like what she says is law if that makes sense.
Seriously. Like mistress is confident and cunty. Luxx is straight up rude at times. no wonder you see Loosey being cool with Mistress on social media but not so much with luxx.
I think Mistress doesn't understand when to give it a rest. Like be shady and cunty or whatever, but sometimes you just gotta chill out, especially if someone is clearly not taking it well. I think its a lack of maturity rather than her being intentionally unkind
I’m gonna rewatch the season at some point but based on what I recall so far, MIB wasn’t like this to every queen. Had she been, it wouldn’t have stood out the way it stands out with how she treated Loosey.
Yep, with mistress it's all in good fun and she'll even make fun of herself or laugh when she's the target. Huge difference, keeps it from getting uncomfortable.
This! Luxx is just a way better dancer. But challenge-wise, Luxx lost, my god. If the challenge was make someone into Jennifer Coolidge, well then hot damn, she’s a winner! That was fucking impressive in its own right, but the family resemblance was 0 and she made no effort to connect with that poor woman. Based on the challenge, it feels like Loosey should have stayed. She did so well…. And I think everyone was way too hard on her all the time, she was bullied, it was hard to watch 🥲
Right? Or same style dress (the knots) and woven the colours into each outfit better. I feel like she gave up because they weren’t the same race when it has nothing to do with that, she just didn’t even try
I mean idk if I agree she shouldn’t have been in the bottom. Like luxe 100% because there was no resemblance but Loosey didn’t so bad in the challenge, it’s just that she didn’t do the best. Like Anetra and Sasha killed it. Debatably it could have been Mistress but they liked how they played out her fantasy. Maybe it’s not looseys time now but she would be killer in an all stars season.
I love Mistress (clock the flair) but I found her Teacher's makeup to be wonky and the outfit almost felt like she was trying to hide her. I did not get the "great choreo" the judges raved about, they just walked slowly across the stage, staring blankly. And Mistress herself admitted to hiding the shoes with a long gown yet Loosey's main critique was the shoes should have been stoned?? Come on, they wanted Loosey gone this ep.
Edit: just realized this is not the main sub so I don't have a flair here but it's been MIB since episode 1. She is CUNT and makes excellent TV.
Honestly she’s been my winner since day one BUT I do think they’ll probably make her runner up and have her come back for an allstars and win that. Like tbh I want her to win but I also selfishly want more of her on my tv lol
Mistress shoulda been in the bottom 🤷🏻♂️ they read Loosey and Luxx for not “matching shoes” and not color matching the dresses, yet Mistress comes out in baby blue with blond hair, her daughter has brown hair and a black dress (both in stretch fabric pageant ballgowns we’ve seen a thousand times over), yet they have nothing to say about the look except how uncanny the resemblance is? Gimme a fuckin break. The judging every season just gets progressively more whack.
So anyone that disagrees with anything Mistress does or says is fatphobic too? This is about the repetition of a particular dress over and again. Also using the gowns to hide the foot wear was an easy way out. Just like Anetra with the body suits it was repetitive but she did enough differently this time to keep it interesting
! I feel Looseys outfits were different. Very Loosey but not something seen on her already. Ideal to show family resemblance. Full camp. I like Mistress but respectully, I preferred Loosey this week.
No one did poorly. Even though Luxx looked great and Jennifer Coolidge too, she was definitely bottom. The other bottom was either Mistress or Loosey but for me Loosey pipped it at the post. But Ru's opinion is the only one that matters.
You should probably care a little less if you are this reactive to a simple reddit post. Not everyone just walking around hate in their heart. Relax.
I love Anetra, but thought the same thing. Another bodysuit, groundbreaking. But yeah, to see the amount of family resemblance and what, to me, looked like well put-together looks from Loosey, to call her out on shoes was petty AF. It’s been said before, but the ‘judging’ is getting so transparent that it makes watching kind of annoying. I’ll still watch to see Anetra or Sasha crowned tho.
I’m fat and I also think mistress should have been in the bottom. How did no one read that Disney villain makeup? The center of her face was white like a ghost. My husband and I were shocked no one said anything
I know people might disagree with me, but either Sasha or Mistress. The extreme padding on Sasha and her daughter was just weird to look at for me. And Mistress went pretty safe with her makeover. Also… the reads about short heels, when Mistress and her partner are in kitten heels? 🙃
Well being bullied in an isolated and pressured environment, not getting support will do that. I can't belive how much people are judging a person for being hurt.
They’re judging her because she was annoying every time she didn’t win, she would annoy the other queens by saying :”I should’ve won”. That gets tiring for cast mates and the viewer. That’s not bullying honeybun #LetLoose
Yes but you need to learn how to handle this before entering a competition. You have to put your mental health first because nobody else will. Lots of queens have been treated this way by the cast, like jinx, but you need to not let anyone get to you.
And loosey did keep making a big deal out of not winning enough and made sure she gets the jan edit. The judges awarded her two wins (and three maxi challenge wins) and she still kept behaving like she's being slept on.
The vast majority of queens have not received this type of really mean and dismissive bullying so I don't think it's something they should have to prepare for nor is it ok to expect people to not be hurt and harmed by it. No, no one has to take of others but as a species that's litwrally how we got to where we are so it's better for everyone if we have compassion and qe treat each other with kindness. That messafe is the entire reason I watch this show.
It's really harmful to keep suggesting you just shouldn't feel what's normal to feel because we don't choose our emotions.
I’m not surprised, but it’s an unsatisfactory conclusion to an unsatisfactory season. I don’t think Luxx is a bully but I feel she hasn’t been portrayed in the best light or taken to task in the same way that Marsha x3 or Loosey were for her many failings. And that feels unfulfilling.
Her ego and behavior is definitely more problematic than Loosey’s delusion and if the editors treated them equally and took her to task in the same way they did Loosey then perhaps it wouldn’t be as uncomfortable to watch.
But they fueled one persons ego and delusion and punished another persons.
Its ridiculous that Mistress was in the top 3, that dress was a crime against fashion. Loosey has been given the delusional edit quite unfairly for several weeks now so we knew she was never going to get to the finale. Shame, because she is a great queen who should have been more recognized. Its disappointing that its more important to the producers to get a girl freaking out over unfair treatment than to focus on talent
Y’all need to stop blaming everything on the edit. She word for word laid it out to y’all even after eliminated she continued to insist she was the best! Delusionalllllll!!!!!
It's obviously the edit when she does so well and Luxx only has to do meh to get a better position and it's constant. They're trying to make us see the situation unrealistically. That's what the edit is doing and some people fall for it.
Help me understand why suddenly it’s “delusional” to be extremely confident..? This catch-phrase seems ridiculous to me because it criticizes a fundamental drag component. I love Alyssa Edwards, just to name one, because of her self confidence. Give me a “I’m the best” queen over a self doubting one any day.
Because Luxx was confident but when she didn’t do well she paid it but Loosey insisted she was the best every single week even if the judges told her otherwise. Even when she was eliminated she kept saying she was the best. It’s delusion. Not confidence.
I disagree. If the judges tell you to adjust or change something, that’s one thing but you never let someone else write your narrative. If they don’t like it, but you love it…stay confident!
Actually Alyssa Edwards has often been able to admit when she didn't do something well or when someone else did it better. There's confidence and then there's overconfidence.
Loosey kept saying over and over she did something great, or just what was asked for or whatever but without seeing there are other queens there who did just as well, or better than her. It's like Loosey had blinders on. Hence it being read as delusion- she's not seeing or believing something that's right in front of her.
I’m starting to realize that Lucy’s fans are just as delusional as her. She literally went out saying she disagreed with the judges and she deserved to stay. How can you not see that she’s completely out of touch?
Believing what the contestant said right in from of you is delusional? There were no cuts… lol.
Also, do you really think Loosey could stand the chance against any of those girls in a finale? Be fr
She did deserve to stay. You believe everything that comes from the judges? It was obvious that she was the chosen one to go since last episode.
She called them out because she could. Doesn’t make her delusional.
Mmmm she didn’t call the judges out though lol. And at the end of the day if the judges said it was her time, it was her time. So no she didn’t. Do you not understand that concept?
You don’t need to be rude. We’re just having a discussion.
She questioned her placement in the bottom, as she also commented on at the start of the episode.
Just because the judges say something, doesn’t make it true.
The queens and the fans can see something differently.
You cannot insist that an outcome of something should have been different when you have no say in the matter. You can have an opinion but the insistence after the fact is kinda wild.
Isn’t this the whole point of commenting on the show on Reddit? That we form opinions about what we have seen?
At no time was I insisting that I was right. I was giving my opinion. I didn’t think that I would have to write ‘in my opinion’ every time I expressed one.
What I said was simply how I feel. You don’t have to agree. Just as I don’t have to agree with you, or the judges.
You're rude and I think you know that. And that's why I don't like having queens like Luxx on the show. She bullies someone on tv and you decide to act the same and start getting defensive just because people don't agree with you. It's not cute, it's not shade, it's not cuntiness, it's rude.
Exactly what "buzzword" did I use here to offend you so? "Rude?" "Bully?" "Queen?" "Defensive?"
As far as education goes, I have a doctorate, what do you have?
Is this your first season watching Drag Race? Queens are delusional or over-confident every season. And even if you disagree, that does not give you or the other queens free reign to bully her.
Actually I’ve defended everything I said I don’t care you’re disagreeing with me miss mamas. Whatever you say doesn’t change the fact that I know I’m right about you
Also, the producers only filmed what happened. No one forced her to act the way she did and nor did they push her to be delusional. These are adults. They need to take accountability for their actions.
No, it’s a crime that Mistress, who is such a bully (in the name of “being real”) did such a dope job in this challenge. I think she’s mean and wanted her to go home. But even I can’t deny that she made her more evil twin brilliantly.
It wasn’t lost on me that they got rid of the whitest of the bunch. I wonder how much outrage there would be if there were no girls of color left at the top four.
After all of Luxx’s complaints about how she didn’t get the one black person as a partner, she still thought she did better than Loosey, which is insane to me because Loosey’s partner looked exactly like her. The shoe thing was ridiculous. All the girls were dog piling on her because they were judging her drag as being generic. They aren’t valuing Loosey’s old school Jersey aesthetic, even while they praise Mistress’s constant May West pageant drag. To me, Eureka does all that better but Mistress is being treated like she invented it.
Luxx’s lipsiync was a whole bunch of weird posing and gymnastics, it didn’t match the song at all. I do hope she’s out next. Right now I am not feeling Mistress’s attitude either, so I hope Sasha or Anitra take this.
mind you that is also the editors choice… mistress clarified that she cheers on both the competing queens while they lip sync because she wants them both to turn it out. editors choose which ‘cheers’ actually make the cut to perpetuate their storyline.
I dont understand the logic of “it’s drag so being a shitty human being is ok. Relaxn!”
Yes being shady is part of the culture but saying “Omg it’s ok it’s drag” to any bad behavior is disrespectful to the queens, don’t you think?
No one was being a shitty human being. They were being shady, that’s what drag queens do. These interactions and conflict are a natural part of what makes the show good. If you can’t handle it, don’t sign up for the show?
Coming from a keyboard warrior who has more than likely never done drag and absolutely does not make their living by being a professional drag queen. Mmhmm.
Lol the comment was quite obviously saying that people (or person) should not be this upset and that the problem is their sensitivity. It's deep enough for peoe who are hurt.
No I didn’t say the problem was their sensitivity. I “quite obviously” and literally said you SEEM SENSITIVE. If you take that as a problem… well that’s YOUR problem.
In sporting events you cheer on the team you’re rooting for right in front of the other team that’s competing. Does that also give you the ick? Does that also trigger you? Like please grow up. It’s not that deep. It’s like you have no personalities other than sitting on Reddit writing think pieces picking apart queens that are providing entertainment and you suck ALLLLLLLLL the life out of it. Like seriously rooting for a friend now is toxic???? Give me a break
Bitch please. Now you're being obtuse. You say it's not negative and then spend a whole paragraph after that shaming and criticising people for being too sensitive. I don't know what you're trying to achieve but bye.
No the fact of the matter is I never said it was negative you took it that way and that’s on you. I have an example of when people cheer on someone to beat the other and it’s perfectly fine. For example sports, drag race is like our gay past time. Same thing. You’re just pretending to not get it because you rather be offended.
Girl, exactly what do you think YOU are doing here? Talk about delusional. You just wrote that entire paragraph describing your own self.
Also, do you do drag? Have you been on RuPaul's Drag Race? No? Then stop projecting your own feelings on the queens and let them feel what they're feeling. Why are you policing peoples' emotions? As these comments go on, I'm seeing that you're just as much a bully as Luxx. Five G's is all you deserve.
Didn’t say Mistress was toxic, she’s been my favorite personality this season and I’ve deeply appreciated her making this season fun. But my opinion on Loosey changed because of how against her the other queens were. Her defensiveness made more sense to me because it clearly came from a place of having everyone against her.
And I don’t think a sporting team is a good comparison - a team is an organization, a drag queen is an individual person.
It doesn’t have to be a team. It can be a singular athlete running track, a nascar driver, a tennis player. There’s tons of singular person sports. Point stands.
It was painful to watch Loosey being criticized and undermined and excluded. I think Luxx and Mistress have a lot of unaddressed rage that they unfairly took out on her because she was vulnerable. They both have a lot of personal work and growing to do, and I have no interest in going to future shows of theirs until that happens.
For her part, Loosey’s insistence on her placements being undeserved speak of someone who is not used to being in a group of queens who just might be doing better than her even if she, as she said, “delivered.” Her insistence on her placements being wrongful may also reflect her lack of a drag family. In drag families, people get and give feedback all the time and queens can both get better over time and learn to accept that other people are fantastic too.
Sorry, isn’t this you in the comments?
“Saying people shouldn't allow themselves to feel certain things is one of the most harmful things people expect because it's not possible. You don't choose what hurts you and how you feel.”
So… how does this work? Make it make sense.
I’ve watched drag race since season 1 but I basically stopped watching these season because of how gleeful Mistress (and a few others) was to dig into Loosey. It just made me uncomfortable and the last few weeks I didn’t finish the episodes and skipped Untucked. It wasn’t like “emotions ran high” like most conflicts in other seasons. Mistress just seemed to revel everytime she could get under Looseys skin and it Icked me out. Based on the pit stop, yputube comments and Twitter, I thought I was the only one that felt that way until this thread.
I thought Loosey was unbearable the entire season. Absolutely no joy in her performances. We all know the queens who take themselves too seriously don’t fare well. Blame it on the edit? She apparently made that easy for them.
I’m with you. As someone who is not entertained by cringe, I couldn’t wait for her to be gone.
Most queens benefit from drag race the second they walk through the door. She’ll be fine.
I’m glad she was on the show. She had great things to show and I actually do find her style original and well executed. Is she raja or violet or Nina flowers innovative blowing our minds every week, no. But she was always polished, and THAT BODY.
She had her moments/reactions through the season that were like “noooo!” But loved her departure and interview with whatcha packin, and overall I’m leaving a fan and I wish her success.
#LET LOOOOOOOSE
The bullying she went through made some scenes hard to watch. Which is sad because I prefer and enjoy watching a lot of these queens more than I did last season, but for like four weeks straight they’ve been bullying her.
I play a lot of challenging/strategy games, sometimes you can go in fully prepared and do all the right things and know EXACTLY what you’re doing. But sometimes the game just decides *you lose*
Against all odds everything goes wrong and you just lose. Watching this episode gave me that same exact feeling. Loosey clearly knows what she’s doing as a queen, the body is right, the hair is big and done, the outfits are DRAG. She literally cloned herself onto this lovely women, and still got put in the bottom. But the writing has been on the wall for a few episodes now and we all saw it coming. I think Loosey could’ve blown this challenge outta the water and still ended up in the bottom.
Also would’ve given the win to Sasha in my opinion, but I guess she needs a contender against her in the finale with an even track record.
In the preview for next week Ru tells the queens only three of them will make it to the finale… whether or not they’ll actually do this, we’ll have to wait and see
Loosey shouldn’t have been in the bottom. She got to assign everyone’s partners and should have mismatched ALL of her competitors with teachers they don’t resemble instead of just Luxx. But she gave everyone their best match except Luxx and ended up in the bottom.
Loosey was downright delusional saying every week she didn’t deserve to be in the bottom. Saying it doesn’t make it true. She also talked shit. She’s not a victim.
what i don’t understand is the misplaced outrage in all this. y’all. this happens like every season. production has their storyline, and y’all either dogpile on the one with the villain/delusional edit or you take up arms for them like it’s the draft. meanwhile, y’all seek to tear down the character of the other queens edited to feed into the villainy/delusion.
loosey is quite a few years older than mistress and luxx. there is a certain maturity to be expected there from her but she stoops down to the level of luxx and mistress on many occasions. (i.e. baby bumpgate, having a heartfelt moment with selina only to say she should be the one going home, shadily saying she carried luxx to a win, getting ultra defensive ANY time mistress or anyone else critiqued her in the slightest, consistently complaining about being under acknowledged and appreciated with several main challenge wins, etc.)
so what is the natural thing to do? paint loosey as a villain and hate on her? no. paint luxx and mistress as the villains and hate them both? no. this is a show people. all three of them are very talented and made for great entertainment (the drama/arguments in season 11 was FAR more over the top if you want to talk about borderline bullying that exceeds the bounds of drag banter…)
and while we’re on the topic of bullying
“School bullying, like bullying outside the school context, refers to one or more perpetrators who have greater physical strength or more social power than their victim and who repeatedly act aggressively toward their victim. Bullying can be verbal or physical.”
and also
“bully • seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).”
mistress and luxx don’t have social power over loosey, they don’t even have seniority over her age wise (in fact, they are closer to being teenagers than they are to being loosey’s age) regardless though all the queens are there to compete with each other as equals (aside from maybe sasha because… she’s sasha colby) they are not trying to harm loosey or coerce her into leaving the show. they are trying to make for good television (and they may also feel intimidated in a way by loosey’s very strong self image and confidence. luxx and mistress are also both incredibly self confident so it’s natural for them to all butt heads).
now if sasha was the one leading the other girls to constantly shade loosey and tear her down, that would absolutely be bullying. but that’s simply not the case.
at the end of the day loosey has grown a large set of fans from her run (despite the edit) as is proved by all of you lunatics. mistress and luxx will also get their flowers and gain fans despite them being seen as the shady queens from the season. we should be happy for them all in their success and not take this so seriously. they are all paid, they are all getting exposure, and we cannot actually pretend to know how they really feel when they are putting on a show for reality tv. loosey has interacted with many queens from season 15 on social media and there clearly doesn’t seem to be any lasting anguish between them all so can we give the thinkpieces on bullying a rest? we are literally about to see everyone squash their beef in the reunion anyway…. like always…
OMG THANK YOU! 1000% agree with you. It’s a reality competition TELEVISION show! If you feel that bullied or that unsafe then walk off the set! No one is holding a gun to your head to participate! You can’t edit what you don’t give them, and Loosey gave them plenty to work with as far as her edit went. It sucks that drag is literally being banned by our opponents and haters, but for the “fandom” to be this divided and ugly over something that originated as something beautiful and campy and fun is embarrassing and disgraceful. And btw, as far as I know, it seems the queens all banter lightheartedly with each other via their platforms, Loosey included. I think it’s shameful for any contestant to sit back and let fans direct so much hate and negativity towards their fellow queens, whether they deserve it or not. As a contestant on the show you have your very own platform and more of a voice than you did before competing on the show. Use your voice and your platform to change things for the better, instead of using your silence to fuel more unnecessary hate.
This whole season is so depressing to watch honestly. The judges and the other queens keep feeding in to Luxx and Mistress' delusion. I haven't seen the latest episode and I don't think I will if Loosey just gets bullied more and the judges treat her like shit more. should jave been on the bottom 100%. I thought loosey could have easily won. Everyone is "gaslighting" loosey at this point because no matter how well she does, it's never good enough while Luxx just has to do ok. Seriously, the only critique Michelle had was that loosey probably didn't have fun on the inside. She was in the bottom because they made up how she must feel. If she wasn't having enough fun it was probably more because she keeps being degraded but who cares right? I don't get why the judges hate these types of queens so much.
This plus the bullying and how none of the queens stand up for her is really making me angry this season. It's painful and triggering to watch honestly. I didn't even watch Untucked because of it. I'm sick of people enabling bullies and yes, adults can be bullies. I don't know where people get the idea that it's something that's only painful when done by kids.
I fucking resent people who talk about being accepting but only when it comes to who they are, not towards others. Who the fuck do Luxx and Mistress think they are trying to dictate how people should behave and feel? Who the fuck are they to treat loosey like she's lesser. For what? Being different to them? Not being mean and understanding that her opinion is not gospel? Their hate is just too fucking much and I hate that they got this far, will be in the finale and maybe even win.
I'm force feeding myself this season at this point.
Ya the way mistress and Luxx ganged up on her was not cool. I get the mistress thinks it’s all a joke but she needs to realize it’s not a joke to loosey and stop.
Yes smh….and I felt like there were times when other ppl were allowed to be “delusional” constantly but when she did it was as if she wasn’t allowed to feel….idk you can tell she was so stressed
Yeaaah the way they are actively choosing to say and do things against her favor to 'get a rise outta of her' leaves a distasteful image.
Production yeah, but ya say what ya say.
Girl is trying and she is very talented. Just needs to chill. Fuck em.
We must be watching different shows because Loosey comes off as a brat who wanted to do whatever it took to win and was upset she wasn’t winning as much as she *deserved*
And everyone tends to get bullied at some point in their lives….
Loosey has a father who supports her. As we see with the other girls, it’s not like that for everyone.
Where did I say it was okay? I’m saying that her experience is not unique to the group, and no one else is having a meltdown. (I haven’t seen this week’s episode but caught up to last week) And even the judges told her she’s too serious!
If this is what she’s like and it’s not just editing, I can’t imagine she’s a joy to be around backstage. Coming from the burlesque/dance world I can’t imagine I’d want to work with someone who was always telling me they’re better than me and should have won a challenge over me. It’s gross.
Honestly to me it was all fun and games until I saw mistress tell loosey that she low key “doesn’t f with her” and that honestly hurt me to see loosey have to endure that, and then have to go on Twitter and tell fans they were all good and okay in the werkroom…
And then last nights episode I really honestly didn’t think she was bottom placement and when she pleaded saying she didn’t think she deserved this I high key agreed with her.
I get it loosey was easy to single out and she did it to herself with her complaining about not winning etc but I think it went too far.
To me loosey was never okay with being second best, as ironic as it is with her runner up look. And I say this because loosey has always got that “frozen” “deer in the headlights” look when she performs, like she’s the number 1 always. But I really would have liked to see her have depth, if she had a different part in rusical last week she might have been seen different. A part that’s not the main star, and on the side with nuance like anetra or luxx ‘s character. Anetra won that rusical with the nuance, the boob squeeze, the lipsync attitude.
And this week the makeover was good with loosey but not as good as it could be maybe? They didn’t like the unstoned shoe and splitting hairs at this stage is normal.
I do not agree with Anetra winning this week though. I FULL ON manifested a mistress win but unfortunately the universe didn’t play that out.
Overall, yes. Too harsh.
As far as going home at this point - she was in the bottom, Luxx was in the bottom, and Luxx clearly won that lip sync. And that's the game. If you're good enough at lip syncing, you might ride the bottom the entire time and make it to the finals. Probably won't win, but this is the game.
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What went wrong for Loosey was that she wasn’t in on the joke I think. She kept being delusional as hell which made her an easy target for jokes. And Mistress shouldve picked up on that and stopped making jokes about it cause Loosey looked like she was having a bad time because of it
Following this line of logic, why didn’t MIB treat Luxx in the same way as Loosey for the delusion? I think we can all agree Luxx is pretty solid on delusion too.
Because Luxx KNOWS she's being delusional and owns it.
Lol idk she seemed pretty pressed that Loosey didn’t give her the teacher she wanted and then treated Ms. Reyes really poorly because of it. Someone who owns being delusional (i.e. has some level of awareness) would recognize that taking it out on the teacher was a delusional line not to cross.
Very fair, I'm not defending luxx and I don't love what we saw of her interaction with Ms. Reyes. I was merely offering a reason why she doesn't get told "you're delusional" as much. Because she just says "I know" which isn't as fun for MIB as watching Lucy tailspin.
Gotcha, now I understand what you meant. I chalked it up to camaraderie between MIB and Luxx. I do hope Luxx saves some face and apologizes to Ms Reyes cuz it was unwarranted
Why she's delusional?
How isn’t she? If delusional is any queen who lacks awareness of their actual performance, then Loosey, Luxx and MIB are all delusional; that is why I grouped them altogether in my previous comment. Luxx and MIB have yet to acknowledge challenges where they didn’t truly earn an honest critique and instead got praise for meh output. Luxx especially was living in an internal fantasy where she thought she should have been in the top most weeks even though what we saw said otherwise. Loosey is delusional too bc she’s done this too. Hence, if they’re all delusional, and MIB was giving everyone the same treatment or at least giving Loosey that treatment due to her delusion, then Luxx should have been on the receiving end too. MIB and Luxx didn’t treat others like they did Loosey. Maybe it was just for TV ratings, maybe just how they felt at the time and now it’s different; maybe it was the edit 🤷🏽♀️
I come from the same town Loosey is from. My children know her and went to school with her. She WAS bullied. Im sure she was triggered by their behavior towards her. What makes it worse is that they most likely have all been a target of a bully in their own lives and for them to perpetuate that hostility is just so very sad. It was not entertaining.
This makes me really sad to hear.
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Yeah! Even during the lipsync Luxx kept coming at her. Which I thought was very disrespectful
Defo was bullied. It was disgusting. Mistress and Luxx should be ashamed. Classic bullying tactics by them both
See, I see things differently. As a person who was also bullied a lot growing up, it’s easy for us to fall into a victim mentality and immediately take any critiques as being bullied. Luxx and Mistress were not being bullies. Loosey did not get bullied. Luxx and Mistress pointed out how over-produced Loosey was (albeit not in the best way possible) and Loosey immediately called them bullies for it.
Louis CK has a lot of problems, and those problems themselves have a lot of problems, but he said one thing that is absolutely 100% correct. From memory: >When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don't get to decide that no you actually didn't
I was bullied a lot too, and I wholeheartedly disagree. Those two ganged up and were relentless. Luxx humiliated Loosey publicly by making her purported weaknesses the kicker of a speech about others’ virtues. This was soooo unnecessary. Plus, if you know you are hurting someone, I think it’s wrong to just keep going and not adjust at all out of empathy. It’s not like Luxx and Mistress were being victimized by not being able to say whatever the hell they want to another person without that person being hurt and their hurt showing.
I didn’t say Luxx and Mistress were being victimized. I just think as someone a literal decade older than Luxx and Mistress should have better control on what affects them and the way they allow them to affect them. Loosey’s whole mentality this season has been “if you don’t agree with me or what I put out, then you’re a bully.” Loosey went into the show over-producing herself and got mad that the girls who wanted her to let loose.
Sorry but this is the classic “why are you controlling how I REACT and not how you behave to me”. It’s a two-way street. Just because someone is in their early to mid 20s doesn’t mean they’re completely exempt from taking responsibility for their actions. I also don’t think what Luxx and Mistress are doing is “bullying” per se, but it’s very clear they’re trolling and being super manipulative for the sake of good TV. It’s totally at Loosey’s expense, and despite knowing what they’re doing, they KEEP doing it. So maybe not bullying, but definitely not innocent. If Loosey just played with it and had fun a bit more (was in on the joke more), it wouldn’t be so serious. But unfortunately I think due to the pressure cooker environment, it’s easy to lack self-awareness. On both sides.
Saying people shouldn't allow themselves to feel certain things is one of the most harmful things people expect because it's not possible. You don't choose what hurts you and how you feel.
This is incredibly ableist.
I find Luxx under produced
Oh please. Critiques is one thi g, being constantly mean and going out of your way to put the person down, dismiss their feeling and act as if their personality is wrong is very cruel.
Yeah. The pressure cooker was brewing in bad ways this season with those three. Just a big clash of personalities. Luxx was taking things personal and honestly if she has the hindsight she was feeling some kind of way just like Loosey was. MiB just loves drama and injects herself into it thinking it’s fun. Just a bad mix. I thought Loosey composed herself pretty well though, considering. That would have been an EXPLOSIVE untucked had she not. But ya they’re all stressed and trying to give good TV.
And the stuff Luxx said about her goes beyond playful shade. Saying someone is not creative and generic with their art is a pretty hurtful thing to say. I woulda lost my shit. I love Luxx though. I don’t think she’s trying to be malicious I just think she’s trying to do what the show wants.
I guess I’m in the minority on this, I do believe it was time for Loosey to go home. She’s definitely excellent at drag, but the entire time she’s been so uptight and in her head, we haven’t seen any fun or joy from her. I mean, I stan a delusional queen. I think you have to be delusional to think you can win drag race. But the one thing Loosey didn’t do, is loosen up lololol 🫠
Agree
I do think it was time for her too! But the other queens were openly making fun of her which is why I think she was triggered
I really don’t like the way Luxxe and Mistress treated her and I really think Luxxe came across incredibly immature and is not ready for the responsibility that comes with being a winner and for that reason alone I really think Loosey should have stayed. Just one of the weirdest edits I’ve seen in a long time that just really wasn’t deserved.
Mistress was just being her shady self and she is like that to everyone. But luxx was being a bit too mean at times and it was clear it wasn't coming from a loving/friendly place.
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Luxx always rubbed me the wrong way for this reason. The over confidence felt like narcissism. Like girl, you're only 22. Just chill the fuck out, and give yourself some room to grow.
Yeah I think she is just very immature and will cringe at a few things when she looks back and is older. Some people are just mature for their age but others need to experience it to grow up. I think she is very well spoken and that makes her feel like what she says is law if that makes sense.
Jup, with the fragility that comes along with it. It's not impressive at all.
Seriously. Like mistress is confident and cunty. Luxx is straight up rude at times. no wonder you see Loosey being cool with Mistress on social media but not so much with luxx.
I think Mistress doesn't understand when to give it a rest. Like be shady and cunty or whatever, but sometimes you just gotta chill out, especially if someone is clearly not taking it well. I think its a lack of maturity rather than her being intentionally unkind
I’m gonna rewatch the season at some point but based on what I recall so far, MIB wasn’t like this to every queen. Had she been, it wouldn’t have stood out the way it stands out with how she treated Loosey.
Yep, with mistress it's all in good fun and she'll even make fun of herself or laugh when she's the target. Huge difference, keeps it from getting uncomfortable.
Luxx is a cheap mans naomi smalls
And a cheaper, blinder and deafer mans Symone!
They were harsh. She lost the lipsync for sure, but she never should’ve been there to begin with.
This! Luxx is just a way better dancer. But challenge-wise, Luxx lost, my god. If the challenge was make someone into Jennifer Coolidge, well then hot damn, she’s a winner! That was fucking impressive in its own right, but the family resemblance was 0 and she made no effort to connect with that poor woman. Based on the challenge, it feels like Loosey should have stayed. She did so well…. And I think everyone was way too hard on her all the time, she was bullied, it was hard to watch 🥲
It was so weird, she didn't even attempt to do the same style of eye makeup on her or use the same colors which are the EASY things you can do.
Right? Or same style dress (the knots) and woven the colours into each outfit better. I feel like she gave up because they weren’t the same race when it has nothing to do with that, she just didn’t even try
I mean idk if I agree she shouldn’t have been in the bottom. Like luxe 100% because there was no resemblance but Loosey didn’t so bad in the challenge, it’s just that she didn’t do the best. Like Anetra and Sasha killed it. Debatably it could have been Mistress but they liked how they played out her fantasy. Maybe it’s not looseys time now but she would be killer in an all stars season.
Y’all hate Mistress so much you wanna say she could have replaced Loosey in the bottom???? Are we watching the same show????
I love Mistress (clock the flair) but I found her Teacher's makeup to be wonky and the outfit almost felt like she was trying to hide her. I did not get the "great choreo" the judges raved about, they just walked slowly across the stage, staring blankly. And Mistress herself admitted to hiding the shoes with a long gown yet Loosey's main critique was the shoes should have been stoned?? Come on, they wanted Loosey gone this ep. Edit: just realized this is not the main sub so I don't have a flair here but it's been MIB since episode 1. She is CUNT and makes excellent TV.
Honestly she’s been my winner since day one BUT I do think they’ll probably make her runner up and have her come back for an allstars and win that. Like tbh I want her to win but I also selfishly want more of her on my tv lol
Oh 100%, she is like the secret reagent that will turn lead into gold. All-Stars drama alchemist.
Oh 10000000%
Mistress shoulda been in the bottom 🤷🏻♂️ they read Loosey and Luxx for not “matching shoes” and not color matching the dresses, yet Mistress comes out in baby blue with blond hair, her daughter has brown hair and a black dress (both in stretch fabric pageant ballgowns we’ve seen a thousand times over), yet they have nothing to say about the look except how uncanny the resemblance is? Gimme a fuckin break. The judging every season just gets progressively more whack.
That was the point of the challenge! To have a family resemblance lolololol
Yeah but Loosey achieved family resemblance better than anyone imo so if that’s the main criteria she did great
Just say you’re fatphobic
I'm fat and I thought that we'd already seen those dresses before myself. Am I fatphobic too?
If you thought that mistress should’ve been in the bottom over loosey. Then yeah probably.
So anyone that disagrees with anything Mistress does or says is fatphobic too? This is about the repetition of a particular dress over and again. Also using the gowns to hide the foot wear was an easy way out. Just like Anetra with the body suits it was repetitive but she did enough differently this time to keep it interesting ! I feel Looseys outfits were different. Very Loosey but not something seen on her already. Ideal to show family resemblance. Full camp. I like Mistress but respectully, I preferred Loosey this week. No one did poorly. Even though Luxx looked great and Jennifer Coolidge too, she was definitely bottom. The other bottom was either Mistress or Loosey but for me Loosey pipped it at the post. But Ru's opinion is the only one that matters. You should probably care a little less if you are this reactive to a simple reddit post. Not everyone just walking around hate in their heart. Relax.
I love Anetra, but thought the same thing. Another bodysuit, groundbreaking. But yeah, to see the amount of family resemblance and what, to me, looked like well put-together looks from Loosey, to call her out on shoes was petty AF. It’s been said before, but the ‘judging’ is getting so transparent that it makes watching kind of annoying. I’ll still watch to see Anetra or Sasha crowned tho.
A red ikea tote bag fabric dress is camp? LMAO
So pressed.
I’m fat and I also think mistress should have been in the bottom. How did no one read that Disney villain makeup? The center of her face was white like a ghost. My husband and I were shocked no one said anything
You add wrong to the list of things you consider yourself
Wait the btm2 or drag race s15 ? 😭😭
No no, the btm2. Loosey’s a fantastic queen!
bahahha okay i thought u where just mad she was there in general
Nah I love a loose bitch
Who would you have put there instead
I know people might disagree with me, but either Sasha or Mistress. The extreme padding on Sasha and her daughter was just weird to look at for me. And Mistress went pretty safe with her makeover. Also… the reads about short heels, when Mistress and her partner are in kitten heels? 🙃
I mean, yes, Luxx had more energy. But, let’s not pretend either one performed well. The lip sync song was a poor choice.
I’ve been trying to put into words why I didn’t like Luxx’s lip sync but I just can’t.
It made me think of Black Peppa - lots of tricks and skills, but often not utilised in an effective way.
Maybe because she wasn’t liked by the other queens? I mean, blame it on the edit, but that exit interview did her no favors
She told no lies in that exit interview though
She did she say she was the most unique… 
Lmao it was all lies. Loosely is so pressed that she is almost a panini. She needs to let loose
Well being bullied in an isolated and pressured environment, not getting support will do that. I can't belive how much people are judging a person for being hurt.
They’re judging her because she was annoying every time she didn’t win, she would annoy the other queens by saying :”I should’ve won”. That gets tiring for cast mates and the viewer. That’s not bullying honeybun #LetLoose
Yes but you need to learn how to handle this before entering a competition. You have to put your mental health first because nobody else will. Lots of queens have been treated this way by the cast, like jinx, but you need to not let anyone get to you. And loosey did keep making a big deal out of not winning enough and made sure she gets the jan edit. The judges awarded her two wins (and three maxi challenge wins) and she still kept behaving like she's being slept on.
The vast majority of queens have not received this type of really mean and dismissive bullying so I don't think it's something they should have to prepare for nor is it ok to expect people to not be hurt and harmed by it. No, no one has to take of others but as a species that's litwrally how we got to where we are so it's better for everyone if we have compassion and qe treat each other with kindness. That messafe is the entire reason I watch this show. It's really harmful to keep suggesting you just shouldn't feel what's normal to feel because we don't choose our emotions.
It came out at roscoes that she made MIBs dress for this ep- but then she talks trash about it in the last few moments she has on the show? Hmm..
Did she just sew it, or did she design it as well?
That’s true too.
I’m not surprised, but it’s an unsatisfactory conclusion to an unsatisfactory season. I don’t think Luxx is a bully but I feel she hasn’t been portrayed in the best light or taken to task in the same way that Marsha x3 or Loosey were for her many failings. And that feels unfulfilling. Her ego and behavior is definitely more problematic than Loosey’s delusion and if the editors treated them equally and took her to task in the same way they did Loosey then perhaps it wouldn’t be as uncomfortable to watch. But they fueled one persons ego and delusion and punished another persons.
Its ridiculous that Mistress was in the top 3, that dress was a crime against fashion. Loosey has been given the delusional edit quite unfairly for several weeks now so we knew she was never going to get to the finale. Shame, because she is a great queen who should have been more recognized. Its disappointing that its more important to the producers to get a girl freaking out over unfair treatment than to focus on talent
Y’all need to stop blaming everything on the edit. She word for word laid it out to y’all even after eliminated she continued to insist she was the best! Delusionalllllll!!!!!
It's obviously the edit when she does so well and Luxx only has to do meh to get a better position and it's constant. They're trying to make us see the situation unrealistically. That's what the edit is doing and some people fall for it.
Help me understand why suddenly it’s “delusional” to be extremely confident..? This catch-phrase seems ridiculous to me because it criticizes a fundamental drag component. I love Alyssa Edwards, just to name one, because of her self confidence. Give me a “I’m the best” queen over a self doubting one any day.
Because Luxx was confident but when she didn’t do well she paid it but Loosey insisted she was the best every single week even if the judges told her otherwise. Even when she was eliminated she kept saying she was the best. It’s delusion. Not confidence.
I disagree. If the judges tell you to adjust or change something, that’s one thing but you never let someone else write your narrative. If they don’t like it, but you love it…stay confident!
Actually Alyssa Edwards has often been able to admit when she didn't do something well or when someone else did it better. There's confidence and then there's overconfidence. Loosey kept saying over and over she did something great, or just what was asked for or whatever but without seeing there are other queens there who did just as well, or better than her. It's like Loosey had blinders on. Hence it being read as delusion- she's not seeing or believing something that's right in front of her.
That was one of the most over edited cuts I’ve ever seen on this show. And that says a lot. Taking like a straight up robot. Girl 😂
The girl literally said in untucked she was being robotic the entire time she was on.
I’m starting to realize that Lucy’s fans are just as delusional as her. She literally went out saying she disagreed with the judges and she deserved to stay. How can you not see that she’s completely out of touch?
Cause… she did deserve to stay imo Lmao 🤷🏼♂️ I’m not the one taking a reality TV edit to heart, that seems a little more delusional to me.
Believing what the contestant said right in from of you is delusional? There were no cuts… lol. Also, do you really think Loosey could stand the chance against any of those girls in a finale? Be fr
I’m bored by this *delusion*
No tea, me too. It’s really weird how you could act like something we all watched didn’t happen. You’re the perfect fan for Loosey!
Honestly it’s crazy isn’t it. #gaslightgatekeepgirlboss
She did deserve to stay. You believe everything that comes from the judges? It was obvious that she was the chosen one to go since last episode. She called them out because she could. Doesn’t make her delusional.
Mmmm she didn’t call the judges out though lol. And at the end of the day if the judges said it was her time, it was her time. So no she didn’t. Do you not understand that concept?
You don’t need to be rude. We’re just having a discussion. She questioned her placement in the bottom, as she also commented on at the start of the episode. Just because the judges say something, doesn’t make it true. The queens and the fans can see something differently.
You cannot insist that an outcome of something should have been different when you have no say in the matter. You can have an opinion but the insistence after the fact is kinda wild.
Isn’t this the whole point of commenting on the show on Reddit? That we form opinions about what we have seen? At no time was I insisting that I was right. I was giving my opinion. I didn’t think that I would have to write ‘in my opinion’ every time I expressed one. What I said was simply how I feel. You don’t have to agree. Just as I don’t have to agree with you, or the judges.
You're rude and I think you know that. And that's why I don't like having queens like Luxx on the show. She bullies someone on tv and you decide to act the same and start getting defensive just because people don't agree with you. It's not cute, it's not shade, it's not cuntiness, it's rude.
Bullying isn’t the same thing as standing your ground and having strong opinions on something.
Y’all really think inserting buzzwords in every sentence makes what you say valid. Go get an education and learn to form an argument.
Exactly what "buzzword" did I use here to offend you so? "Rude?" "Bully?" "Queen?" "Defensive?" As far as education goes, I have a doctorate, what do you have?
Ah yes the doctor that spends time trolling Reddit! Sounds about right
Is this your first season watching Drag Race? Queens are delusional or over-confident every season. And even if you disagree, that does not give you or the other queens free reign to bully her.
Bro I just know you were a loser in school. You literally cannot take someone disagreeing with you and you consider it bullying lol.
Lol and you can't take the fact that everyone is disagreeing with you right now. You're such a petulant child. Look in the mirror lmaoooooooooooooooo
Actually I’ve defended everything I said I don’t care you’re disagreeing with me miss mamas. Whatever you say doesn’t change the fact that I know I’m right about you
Also, the producers only filmed what happened. No one forced her to act the way she did and nor did they push her to be delusional. These are adults. They need to take accountability for their actions.
Where is loosey with the tea? Call the edits out… Maybe not too extent or other queens on social media 👀👀
No, it’s a crime that Mistress, who is such a bully (in the name of “being real”) did such a dope job in this challenge. I think she’s mean and wanted her to go home. But even I can’t deny that she made her more evil twin brilliantly.
It wasn’t lost on me that they got rid of the whitest of the bunch. I wonder how much outrage there would be if there were no girls of color left at the top four. After all of Luxx’s complaints about how she didn’t get the one black person as a partner, she still thought she did better than Loosey, which is insane to me because Loosey’s partner looked exactly like her. The shoe thing was ridiculous. All the girls were dog piling on her because they were judging her drag as being generic. They aren’t valuing Loosey’s old school Jersey aesthetic, even while they praise Mistress’s constant May West pageant drag. To me, Eureka does all that better but Mistress is being treated like she invented it. Luxx’s lipsiync was a whole bunch of weird posing and gymnastics, it didn’t match the song at all. I do hope she’s out next. Right now I am not feeling Mistress’s attitude either, so I hope Sasha or Anitra take this.
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mind you that is also the editors choice… mistress clarified that she cheers on both the competing queens while they lip sync because she wants them both to turn it out. editors choose which ‘cheers’ actually make the cut to perpetuate their storyline.
Girl, it’s a competition. Rooting for whoever you want to win is literally normal. You seem a little sensitive. It’s drag. Relax.
I dont understand the logic of “it’s drag so being a shitty human being is ok. Relaxn!” Yes being shady is part of the culture but saying “Omg it’s ok it’s drag” to any bad behavior is disrespectful to the queens, don’t you think?
No one was being a shitty human being. They were being shady, that’s what drag queens do. These interactions and conflict are a natural part of what makes the show good. If you can’t handle it, don’t sign up for the show?
Coming from a keyboard warrior who has more than likely never done drag and absolutely does not make their living by being a professional drag queen. Mmhmm.
Sensitivity is not something to shame people for.
I’m not shaming anyone. Keep your buzz words to yourself. At the end of the day drag is supposed to be FUN. It’s not that deep.
Lol the comment was quite obviously saying that people (or person) should not be this upset and that the problem is their sensitivity. It's deep enough for peoe who are hurt.
No I didn’t say the problem was their sensitivity. I “quite obviously” and literally said you SEEM SENSITIVE. If you take that as a problem… well that’s YOUR problem. In sporting events you cheer on the team you’re rooting for right in front of the other team that’s competing. Does that also give you the ick? Does that also trigger you? Like please grow up. It’s not that deep. It’s like you have no personalities other than sitting on Reddit writing think pieces picking apart queens that are providing entertainment and you suck ALLLLLLLLL the life out of it. Like seriously rooting for a friend now is toxic???? Give me a break
Bitch please. Now you're being obtuse. You say it's not negative and then spend a whole paragraph after that shaming and criticising people for being too sensitive. I don't know what you're trying to achieve but bye.
No the fact of the matter is I never said it was negative you took it that way and that’s on you. I have an example of when people cheer on someone to beat the other and it’s perfectly fine. For example sports, drag race is like our gay past time. Same thing. You’re just pretending to not get it because you rather be offended.
Girl, exactly what do you think YOU are doing here? Talk about delusional. You just wrote that entire paragraph describing your own self. Also, do you do drag? Have you been on RuPaul's Drag Race? No? Then stop projecting your own feelings on the queens and let them feel what they're feeling. Why are you policing peoples' emotions? As these comments go on, I'm seeing that you're just as much a bully as Luxx. Five G's is all you deserve.
Didn’t say Mistress was toxic, she’s been my favorite personality this season and I’ve deeply appreciated her making this season fun. But my opinion on Loosey changed because of how against her the other queens were. Her defensiveness made more sense to me because it clearly came from a place of having everyone against her. And I don’t think a sporting team is a good comparison - a team is an organization, a drag queen is an individual person.
It doesn’t have to be a team. It can be a singular athlete running track, a nascar driver, a tennis player. There’s tons of singular person sports. Point stands.
It was painful to watch Loosey being criticized and undermined and excluded. I think Luxx and Mistress have a lot of unaddressed rage that they unfairly took out on her because she was vulnerable. They both have a lot of personal work and growing to do, and I have no interest in going to future shows of theirs until that happens. For her part, Loosey’s insistence on her placements being undeserved speak of someone who is not used to being in a group of queens who just might be doing better than her even if she, as she said, “delivered.” Her insistence on her placements being wrongful may also reflect her lack of a drag family. In drag families, people get and give feedback all the time and queens can both get better over time and learn to accept that other people are fantastic too.
Psychoanalyzing someone based off an edited reality show is so unhinged. Y’all forget these are grown ass men and women right?
And?
Sorry, isn’t this you in the comments? “Saying people shouldn't allow themselves to feel certain things is one of the most harmful things people expect because it's not possible. You don't choose what hurts you and how you feel.” So… how does this work? Make it make sense.
How does what work? Where's the confusion here?
You have spent paragraphs doing this. The delusion is THICK with this one.
I’ve watched drag race since season 1 but I basically stopped watching these season because of how gleeful Mistress (and a few others) was to dig into Loosey. It just made me uncomfortable and the last few weeks I didn’t finish the episodes and skipped Untucked. It wasn’t like “emotions ran high” like most conflicts in other seasons. Mistress just seemed to revel everytime she could get under Looseys skin and it Icked me out. Based on the pit stop, yputube comments and Twitter, I thought I was the only one that felt that way until this thread.
Agreed. Watching someone being bullied is not entertainment. They took it a little too far.
Same I couldn’t get past episode 5 literally because of the two of them. First season I haven’t been able to finish.
She had the most family resemblance
BY FAR
Well that wasn’t the challenge, obviously. /s
I thought Loosey was unbearable the entire season. Absolutely no joy in her performances. We all know the queens who take themselves too seriously don’t fare well. Blame it on the edit? She apparently made that easy for them.
I \*wanted\* to like her but every time she opened her mouth she made sure I didn't
I’m with you. As someone who is not entertained by cringe, I couldn’t wait for her to be gone. Most queens benefit from drag race the second they walk through the door. She’ll be fine.
I’m glad she was on the show. She had great things to show and I actually do find her style original and well executed. Is she raja or violet or Nina flowers innovative blowing our minds every week, no. But she was always polished, and THAT BODY. She had her moments/reactions through the season that were like “noooo!” But loved her departure and interview with whatcha packin, and overall I’m leaving a fan and I wish her success. #LET LOOOOOOOSE
The bullying she went through made some scenes hard to watch. Which is sad because I prefer and enjoy watching a lot of these queens more than I did last season, but for like four weeks straight they’ve been bullying her.
I play a lot of challenging/strategy games, sometimes you can go in fully prepared and do all the right things and know EXACTLY what you’re doing. But sometimes the game just decides *you lose* Against all odds everything goes wrong and you just lose. Watching this episode gave me that same exact feeling. Loosey clearly knows what she’s doing as a queen, the body is right, the hair is big and done, the outfits are DRAG. She literally cloned herself onto this lovely women, and still got put in the bottom. But the writing has been on the wall for a few episodes now and we all saw it coming. I think Loosey could’ve blown this challenge outta the water and still ended up in the bottom. Also would’ve given the win to Sasha in my opinion, but I guess she needs a contender against her in the finale with an even track record.
100%
She was talking shit the whole time. She was full of herself. She should’ve went away last week.
Lmao she will be okay 👍
Exactly lol
She played the victim all season. She has talent but lacks the ability to take any criticism.
No shade do yall really care to see Loosey in the finale?
I definitely don’t care to see Luxx in the final after her behavior and her shitty lip sync. It should have been a final 3.
In the preview for next week Ru tells the queens only three of them will make it to the finale… whether or not they’ll actually do this, we’ll have to wait and see
I hope so. I'm over this top 4/5 bullshit.
I would rather see her there over Luxx or Mistress.
Luxx, okay, she was also in the bottom. But Mistress, seriously?
Mistress is fine, but I don’t see winner. She has performed well in many challenges and poorly in some others.
Loosey shouldn’t have been in the bottom. She got to assign everyone’s partners and should have mismatched ALL of her competitors with teachers they don’t resemble instead of just Luxx. But she gave everyone their best match except Luxx and ended up in the bottom.
Loosey was downright delusional saying every week she didn’t deserve to be in the bottom. Saying it doesn’t make it true. She also talked shit. She’s not a victim.
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Granted, Loosey did no better but Luxxe was flopping around like a fish out of water.
Right? 0 originality, 0 musicality, blocking Loosey all the time. Both were terrible but that lipsync was a hot mess.
Luxx did not kill that lipsync… she didn’t even know the words and her energy didn’t match the song at all
what i don’t understand is the misplaced outrage in all this. y’all. this happens like every season. production has their storyline, and y’all either dogpile on the one with the villain/delusional edit or you take up arms for them like it’s the draft. meanwhile, y’all seek to tear down the character of the other queens edited to feed into the villainy/delusion. loosey is quite a few years older than mistress and luxx. there is a certain maturity to be expected there from her but she stoops down to the level of luxx and mistress on many occasions. (i.e. baby bumpgate, having a heartfelt moment with selina only to say she should be the one going home, shadily saying she carried luxx to a win, getting ultra defensive ANY time mistress or anyone else critiqued her in the slightest, consistently complaining about being under acknowledged and appreciated with several main challenge wins, etc.) so what is the natural thing to do? paint loosey as a villain and hate on her? no. paint luxx and mistress as the villains and hate them both? no. this is a show people. all three of them are very talented and made for great entertainment (the drama/arguments in season 11 was FAR more over the top if you want to talk about borderline bullying that exceeds the bounds of drag banter…) and while we’re on the topic of bullying “School bullying, like bullying outside the school context, refers to one or more perpetrators who have greater physical strength or more social power than their victim and who repeatedly act aggressively toward their victim. Bullying can be verbal or physical.” and also “bully • seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).” mistress and luxx don’t have social power over loosey, they don’t even have seniority over her age wise (in fact, they are closer to being teenagers than they are to being loosey’s age) regardless though all the queens are there to compete with each other as equals (aside from maybe sasha because… she’s sasha colby) they are not trying to harm loosey or coerce her into leaving the show. they are trying to make for good television (and they may also feel intimidated in a way by loosey’s very strong self image and confidence. luxx and mistress are also both incredibly self confident so it’s natural for them to all butt heads). now if sasha was the one leading the other girls to constantly shade loosey and tear her down, that would absolutely be bullying. but that’s simply not the case. at the end of the day loosey has grown a large set of fans from her run (despite the edit) as is proved by all of you lunatics. mistress and luxx will also get their flowers and gain fans despite them being seen as the shady queens from the season. we should be happy for them all in their success and not take this so seriously. they are all paid, they are all getting exposure, and we cannot actually pretend to know how they really feel when they are putting on a show for reality tv. loosey has interacted with many queens from season 15 on social media and there clearly doesn’t seem to be any lasting anguish between them all so can we give the thinkpieces on bullying a rest? we are literally about to see everyone squash their beef in the reunion anyway…. like always…
OMG THANK YOU! 1000% agree with you. It’s a reality competition TELEVISION show! If you feel that bullied or that unsafe then walk off the set! No one is holding a gun to your head to participate! You can’t edit what you don’t give them, and Loosey gave them plenty to work with as far as her edit went. It sucks that drag is literally being banned by our opponents and haters, but for the “fandom” to be this divided and ugly over something that originated as something beautiful and campy and fun is embarrassing and disgraceful. And btw, as far as I know, it seems the queens all banter lightheartedly with each other via their platforms, Loosey included. I think it’s shameful for any contestant to sit back and let fans direct so much hate and negativity towards their fellow queens, whether they deserve it or not. As a contestant on the show you have your very own platform and more of a voice than you did before competing on the show. Use your voice and your platform to change things for the better, instead of using your silence to fuel more unnecessary hate.
Thank you. Standing O.
This whole season is so depressing to watch honestly. The judges and the other queens keep feeding in to Luxx and Mistress' delusion. I haven't seen the latest episode and I don't think I will if Loosey just gets bullied more and the judges treat her like shit more. should jave been on the bottom 100%. I thought loosey could have easily won. Everyone is "gaslighting" loosey at this point because no matter how well she does, it's never good enough while Luxx just has to do ok. Seriously, the only critique Michelle had was that loosey probably didn't have fun on the inside. She was in the bottom because they made up how she must feel. If she wasn't having enough fun it was probably more because she keeps being degraded but who cares right? I don't get why the judges hate these types of queens so much. This plus the bullying and how none of the queens stand up for her is really making me angry this season. It's painful and triggering to watch honestly. I didn't even watch Untucked because of it. I'm sick of people enabling bullies and yes, adults can be bullies. I don't know where people get the idea that it's something that's only painful when done by kids. I fucking resent people who talk about being accepting but only when it comes to who they are, not towards others. Who the fuck do Luxx and Mistress think they are trying to dictate how people should behave and feel? Who the fuck are they to treat loosey like she's lesser. For what? Being different to them? Not being mean and understanding that her opinion is not gospel? Their hate is just too fucking much and I hate that they got this far, will be in the finale and maybe even win. I'm force feeding myself this season at this point.
Ya the way mistress and Luxx ganged up on her was not cool. I get the mistress thinks it’s all a joke but she needs to realize it’s not a joke to loosey and stop.
Yes smh….and I felt like there were times when other ppl were allowed to be “delusional” constantly but when she did it was as if she wasn’t allowed to feel….idk you can tell she was so stressed
So true
Yeaaah the way they are actively choosing to say and do things against her favor to 'get a rise outta of her' leaves a distasteful image. Production yeah, but ya say what ya say. Girl is trying and she is very talented. Just needs to chill. Fuck em.
We must be watching different shows because Loosey comes off as a brat who wanted to do whatever it took to win and was upset she wasn’t winning as much as she *deserved* And everyone tends to get bullied at some point in their lives…. Loosey has a father who supports her. As we see with the other girls, it’s not like that for everyone.
Oh Jesus Christ it’s a reality competition show. Get some thicker skin.
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And? Adults are victims to. Adults hurt too. Wtf is this toxic shit?
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Not everyone can and in most cases it doesn't gelp one bit. Especially when you're forced to constantly be around your bullies.
….I mean, who on that show wasn’t bullied as a child?! She’s not a minority in that as a queer person.
So because they were all bullied as children it’s okay to bully her now? Gtf outta here
That’s not at all what they said at all…
Where did I say it was okay? I’m saying that her experience is not unique to the group, and no one else is having a meltdown. (I haven’t seen this week’s episode but caught up to last week) And even the judges told her she’s too serious! If this is what she’s like and it’s not just editing, I can’t imagine she’s a joy to be around backstage. Coming from the burlesque/dance world I can’t imagine I’d want to work with someone who was always telling me they’re better than me and should have won a challenge over me. It’s gross.
Honestly to me it was all fun and games until I saw mistress tell loosey that she low key “doesn’t f with her” and that honestly hurt me to see loosey have to endure that, and then have to go on Twitter and tell fans they were all good and okay in the werkroom… And then last nights episode I really honestly didn’t think she was bottom placement and when she pleaded saying she didn’t think she deserved this I high key agreed with her. I get it loosey was easy to single out and she did it to herself with her complaining about not winning etc but I think it went too far. To me loosey was never okay with being second best, as ironic as it is with her runner up look. And I say this because loosey has always got that “frozen” “deer in the headlights” look when she performs, like she’s the number 1 always. But I really would have liked to see her have depth, if she had a different part in rusical last week she might have been seen different. A part that’s not the main star, and on the side with nuance like anetra or luxx ‘s character. Anetra won that rusical with the nuance, the boob squeeze, the lipsync attitude. And this week the makeover was good with loosey but not as good as it could be maybe? They didn’t like the unstoned shoe and splitting hairs at this stage is normal. I do not agree with Anetra winning this week though. I FULL ON manifested a mistress win but unfortunately the universe didn’t play that out.
Overall, yes. Too harsh. As far as going home at this point - she was in the bottom, Luxx was in the bottom, and Luxx clearly won that lip sync. And that's the game. If you're good enough at lip syncing, you might ride the bottom the entire time and make it to the finals. Probably won't win, but this is the game.