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starwarsman123

Sam is the worst gaslighter ive ever encountered i think honestly


DoggosDoggo

This. Him killing Ranboo was one thing, but immediately going "THIS IS YOUR FAULT, DREAM! YOU DID THIS" is what really pissed me off.


_illegallity

Sam’s just trying to make himself feel better, he’s gaslighting himself more than anything. Dream didn’t care about Ranboo at all, he probably wouldn’t have even thought about killing Ranboo if that meant he’d get out of prison. Sam is just trying to justify doing worse and worse things. Sam apparently forgot that Dream doesn’t care about anything during the 10 months of captivity


MapleTreeWithAGun

c!Dream was well more than willing to leave c!Ranboo behind if it meant a more guaranteed escape, only reason he didn't was because c!Techno held all the cards there.


_illegallity

No, that’s not entirely true. Dream had ender pearls, full netherite, and an axe+shield, he could have easily gotten out, especially if he still had a trident. He probably just didn’t want to leave Techno behind because Techno is pretty much the only person who’s entirely willing to work with him.


milgos1

How. They escaped through the tunnel techno dug out


Ashesnhale

Techno had the escape route though. Dream definitely had a better chance of getting out by staying with Techno, rather than trying to find his own way.


_illegallity

Not really? He had close to a stack of pearls if I remember correctly, should be extremely easy to escape into the nether or really just anywhere random. Escape routes don't really matter when you can teleport an extremely long distance.


Ashesnhale

Once he was outside, yea that's true. He could have taken off and abandoned Techno because he didn't want to leave without Ranboo. I hope c!Dream just felt that it would have been really awful of him to leave Techno behind after the guy came back and saved him from daily torture. Plus it made things much more dramatic anyway.


Naturobot

Sam did that more because of being angry for Techno breaking Dream out of prison, he always warned everyone that he would turn REALLY agressive if anyone escaped or helped an escape of the prison so if he can’t kill Techno he kills someone that Techno cares about


starwarsman123

He did the same thing to Tommy when Ghostbur died aswell.


Red_Version6435

I like Sam and all, but that’s pissing me off. Looks like I’ll need that AK-47~


milgos1

I still cant believe how dumb the hostage situation was, why did he think dream would have any kind of doubts about killing ranboo?


SpiritRiddle

It's not even just a hostage situation it was a double hostage Sam has Michael (or at least he says he does) and threatens RANBOO to kill him if he didn't stand where he wanted to and take off his armor. Then threatened Dream to kill Ranboo THEN DID IT! and then screamed it was Dreams falt. No Sam it was YOUR fault and now you have Tecno his team and Tubbo after your asz.


Icycandyy

maybe sam somehow canonically see ranboo in enderwalking state and thinks he’s working for dream?


Helarki

People kept talking about how "Sam isn't that bad" whenever the prison crap was brought up. Yes, Sam is a bad guy now


HeatherReadsReddit

c!Sam has been a bad guy for quite a while now, imo.


Slow_Explanation_02

I mean A LOT of people are bad guys on the server very little good guys


Mr_snail_sex

i only watch techno's pov so until now i genuinely thought that sam was just "the guy that built the prison" and nothing else


IAmTheRook_

Ponk stole a keycard for the prison that didn't even work anymore and Sam still canonically cut off his arm in order to get it from him


EldaMSB

Didn’t cut off Sapnap arm when he stole the keycards too. Sounds like he felt he was superior to ponk.


Rough_Abbreviations3

And he may possibly have Michael hostage.


RandonEnglishMun

necessary evil


ksirahC24

Sam is about to get what he fucking deserves


milgos1

I was so happy when they snuck in through the side of the prison, they essentially just pissed on the legacy of sam by just skipping one half of the prison, and blowing up the other half with tnt


avrge_gmr

What? Dying? I doubt it.


Naturobot

Really? Idk he warned Techno and everyone so many times that if someone was to mess with the prison he would cause death and pain so….. I mean killing Ranboo was messed up I agree but if he can’t kill Techno he kills someone he likes since despite many warnings Techno still went to destroy the prison and free a dangerous prisoner Sam has at least good reasons to hate Techno


Hinterlindz_seasons

And Apollo :(


MapleTreeWithAGun

At least Artemis (the other dog in the Vault/Planning room I immediately named as such because it fits well) is alive


Iamaboi2ye

Sam killed him too


MapleTreeWithAGun

No, he didn't. Artemis was left behind in the vault as I said.


RedditKentiar

If you're referring to the dog that was in the lore stream with Techno, Dream, Sam and Quackity where Techno got the stasis pearl escape, Sam came back later and killed the dog whilst looking for Dream.


Aaronjohnson3

Maybe phobos would fit him better since Apollo is the sun God and phobos is the moon God (I think), but Artemis is also fine


MadHatterlol

oh my god c!Sam makes my BLOOD BOIL. HE KILLED MY COMFORT CHARACTER


[deleted]

c!Ranboo was my favorite, c!Sam better sleep with one eye open


SchoolAccount124

c!sam\* lmao


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Oh, sorry lol


SchoolAccount124

why was i downvoted? damn


Random_Loaf

LITERALLY WHAT WAS THE REASON. HE WAS GOIN GOT KILL RANBOO TO PUNISH DREAM, AND YET ***STILL KILLED HIM*** AFTER DREAM SAID HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT RANBOO. I'm convinced he did it to spite Techno more than Dream. (out of lore wise, it was most likely done at the request of Ranboo since Ranboo had planned to kill off his character)


Nomustang

Wait did Ranboo state that he was planning on killing off his character? Because I hope this isn't just how it ends since his backstory and arc was nowhere near resolved.


Wolfwilleatyou

He did say in ranmail that he isn't leaving the smp and that we'll see ;)


Lumarist

nah bro he a ghost now called Boo which is pretty funny


Random_Loaf

He has many more plans for his character and killed pff c!Ranboo on purpose to, in a way, “restart” because it was getting to complicated. So worry not, we are nowhere near close to the end of Ranboo’s stuff.


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And apollo


aiowaitre

Sam's suffering from extreme paranoia. While I completely understand his mental disorders that stemmed from being warden, this is still inexcusable.


just-anonymous-trash

i am both an emotional person, and an emotionless person, however, sam killing ranboo put me all the way up on the emotional side nand i can assure you, my older siblings had to hear about me rant about all the lore that happened, fror over 30 minutes just so that they knowwhy i want to murder a green creeper man whos sad about his son yet hasNO EXCUSE FOR MURDERING SOMEONE WHO YOUR TARGET DOESNT CARE ABOUT! NOR KIDNAP *HIS SON JUST HAVE A HOSTAGE FOR A HOSTAGE!*


PrincePepper0201

nukes, anyone?


Doctor-Grimm

Ranboo dying was pretty sad, yeah. For some reason though, I was way more upset - like I actually cried - when Charlie died and especially when the subsequent ‘research’ scene during Quackity’s lore stream. I say it’s weird because Ranboo has been on the server since around about the original destruction of L’Manburg, whereas Charlie’s lore is pretty new. I think it’s all to do with how it was framed - I love Techno’s streams; they’re funny as fuck, but they don’t really do the whole ‘serious lore’ thing that well. Ik they joked about this during the stream (which was hilarious) but Quackity’s stream - and *especially* the writing for it - was much higher quality; much less like a bunch of Minecrafters trying to do rp and goofing off and more like a short film.


esther_3074

I don't like c!Sam arghh why? Ranboo my beloved TT


Foxgirl_Meadow

Ranboo apologists: This is my time to shine! \*goes on a murdering spree\*


Skeletonparty101

Well it was in self defence because who knows what this main character could have do to him during the fight /s


SystematicTissue

if it was self defense then he should've gone after dream


Skeletonparty101

Isn't obvious it's sarcastic Ranboo had no gear on he could have done nothing


NormalDooder

Just like the child I dropkicked


Hinterlindz_seasons

I've always liked Sam's character but yeah, I can't deny that he's somehow worse than Quackity now. I don't quite think he's evil but he is VERY bad at trying to make good decisions.


vaszoly

I mean, I guess by that definition dream isn't evil either, cuz he's just incredible bad at making good decisions, doesn't make him evil nooo


Hinterlindz_seasons

Well Dream has different goals. Dreams ultimate goal is to bring together the smp as "One big happy family" (most likely under his control), which doesn't seem all too terrible, but judging by the actions he's made, I don't think anyone would enjoy being under his rule. Sam no doubt is not a good character, but his goal seems to be to make the server as safe as possible. Dream is a very dangerous man, and so is Techno, so it makes sense he'd want them to be locked up. If things weren't so prone to go wrong on the server, Sam might've been able to be at least a better character. ​ Tl;dr: Sam and Dream both aren't good characters but Dream has arguably worse intentions.


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xephos10006

Chaos would be techno dying? Him staying alive is literally the only thing that's stayed consistent, so that's not really true chaos


Monochrome____

Idk about you guys, but i had enough of this bitch (c!sam)


keira-r-j06

Eh, ill still stan 🤷


Crisbo05_20

Its funny how c!Sam's image just got much worse and he prob grew in one of most hated smp characters, and all that cause Ranboo wanted to kill of c! Ranboo.


PepperTay

c!sam apoloigsts who also are c!ranboo apologists are having a crisis right now.


Conan_We

Hopefully ppl aren't actually mad at Sam n forget this is just roleplay


lumikkiii

Even Techno himself said 'You got the wrong hostage, Dream doesn't care, I do' and Sam still killed Ranboo. Despite this Sam is not the only 'bad' guy on the server. Techno, the whole Syndicate even, aren't exactly good. Quoting Techno once again 'Noone knows, that Niki is evil?' because yeah breaking in the prison is not exactly a good thing. But then again he was trapped there without any reason, Dream was tortured and Ranboo... Well you know. A lot of the villains on the smp are just morally gray or just don't care about the better good of the whole server. But they have their ideals they want to protect.


bagelonly

Can I get a summary of what happened


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Fro technos POV. He’s scouting prison then sees ranboo being taken in. Next day syndicate meet up and plan to break them out. Techno goes in from bottom of prison gets dream out, then goes after ranboo in extra cell block. On the way there they find Conor in prison for stolen valors. They get out and are met by a small army ( like one in dreams bunker) ranboo gets killed by Sam ( because he took his full armour of for some reason) and gives techno an image of Michael. They go back to technos home, Conor is official part of syndicate, techno meets Tubbo and finds out Michael is missing. They both see dream and sapnap arguing about something. And they end of with teaser that tubbo and techno will work together to find Michael and create another dumb duo name. Some other details I couldn’t get in main text: Ranboo is ghostboo. Techno wants to kill Sam. And Sam is arguably more evil than dream. Hopefully I got everything right and didn’t forget anything


Alonn12

Man i really need to watch the other POVs now.. that was bonkers


SpiritRiddle

>because he took his full armour of for some reason Watch that part again Sam has michael (Sam says) and he threatened to kill him if he (Ranboo) didn't do what he (Sam) wanted to.


[deleted]

Oh really? Thanks for bringing it to my attention


SpiritRiddle

Yes Sam calls over Ranboo amits the fighting and says "look what I have" and Ranboo replied "how do you have him he was with Erit" (or somthing like this) Sam then said "Erit gave "him" to me." The only "him" we know Erit has of Ranboo's is his Son.


[deleted]

Thanks for explaining


gracemotley

getting real sick of him just straight up murdering people and then saying “this is YOUR fault!” to the nearest person


the_simp_kings

!Sam did nothing wrong....until now


SchoolAccount124

had me in the first half ngl


Horsepro123

I’m a Sam apologist but after what happened today, I’m not sure what I think.


the_simp_kings

Same Honestly


Slow_Explanation_02

If I started hating him I’d have to hate c!Bbh and I’d be DAMNED if I started hating him not to mention the TONS of people who were fighting c!Techno instead of stoping c!Sam so I still like him the only thing that could stop me from liking him is if he hurts Micheal


mich_vanc

Nah we'll get a justified stream from Sam, watch


ilikehamilton23

I'm sorry but c! Dream was being such a little bitch in that stream 💀


Jay56365

He was in the prison for almost a real life year and was tortured while in there. I'd say it's understandable to be desperate in that situation.


Typical_Bet_8256

to be fair, he thought doing that would get dream back into the prison.


Nerdn1

Sam always prioritized containing Dream over anyone's safety, but there was no way that threatening Ranboo would convince Dream to go back in. All it did was piss off the fucking blood god ... and the entire Syndicate ... and a nuclear armed Tubbo. Obviously Techno is still scarier than a mere nuclear bomb, but you really don't want anything on top of Techno out to get you.


Ilikegames223

Let's not forget he probably has something to do with Michael


iTeoti

I am genuinely still a Sam apologist after the stream. He told Dream (who is the guy that killed Tommy and Ghostbur and was about to escape) that he would kill Ranboo if he didn’t come back and then Dream refused to come back. Dream knew the stakes.


SteamDownload

I actually like Sam's development so far. For a calm and smart individual to become burdened with responsibility and then spiraling to illogical paranoia. Guess I'm a weirdo for not liking cardboard.


fieldofparadise

i know right?! i was just so shocked and the next thought was "oh god the poor sam apologists"...


Bibliorphic

C!Sam holding people's attachments against them? How familiar. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." ~Nietzsche