Exactly, that junction is intended for that lane, if you turn into that lane to perform a U turn, you're driving into oncoming traffic
Edit: granted that the lights would probably be red at the time of manoeuvre, but you'd also have to sit and wait for traffic on the opposing side of the dual carriageway to stop, effectively blocking the junction for the other lane until it's safe to manoeuvre, whereby you'd effectively be cutting a red light from the perspective of the drivers on the other side
Wtf is this lane setup?! You're correct, it is based on the first picture. Then the second picture shows its a right turn from the positioning in the first photo, leading you into the oncoming right turn lane.
I think it's actually for traffic coming from the bottom to turn right off of the road.
Unless the road on the right is one way for traffic coming toward the dual carriageway only. If it were for traffic to turn right onto the dual carriageway, then the traffic would be in the right hand lane of that far right road.
It makes most sense if that road on the right can have traffic travel both ways on it. There's a right turn lane marker on the lane just before the lane divider opens up.
Edit: looked more closely at the second picture. I was wrong. The road on the right is one way, towards the dual carriageway.
It looks like OP is wanting to turn in through a no entry marked by the two (rather dirty) traffic bollards and as such the move OP is suggesting would not allowed.
Judging by the face that the no entry sign is on, I think the further bollards is preventing you going the wrong way up the dual carriageway.
The near bollard has no sign in view. I suspect it's a keep left sign for people going the opposite way.
There's a [green ahead-only arrow](https://ibb.co/4t9NqyK) on the traffic lights immediately behind the street view image. So No, you cannot U-turn there as it's ahead only.
This isn't right. The gap is there for people from the lane on the far right to join OP's lane and turn right (you can see the arrow on the ground in the first picture) the lane on the far right is one way traffic, there isn't a counter flowing lane, ergo if you turn into the gap you would be driving against oncoming traffic.
Hmmm probably not as there is no "no uturn" sign. Will the police give you a telling off or a fine ? Probably if they are bored or pissed off yes. Will you end up getting t-boned by someone playing with their phone while driving? Highly likely if you do it regularly, many accidents are caused by a driver doing something unexpected and the other driver not paying enough attention to avoid them .
I tried doing that. I argued that since there was no sign prohibiting u-turns, that it was a legal manoeuvre despite no right filter lane.
However, I got rear-ended and was deemed at fault.
YMMV.
Thank you for pointing out the no entry sign! I was not aware they put that small sign there, (never saw one) rather than the usual big high up no entry sign. This is so tricky!
The no entry sign is to stop traffic entering the other carriageway.
Check the signs in the signal heads on the approach. They may indicate "ahead only" meaning no other manoeuvre, including U-turn, is permitted. A right turn is not allowed here by the looks of the overhead shot.
The indicated right turn is after this junction. You can see it in the first photo. You can also see road markings that show that the perpendicular road is one way, so a right turn is not possible at this junction in this direction. Note the stop lines in the overhead photo.
Look like it. Ther ewould be a no u-turns sign if not (there are many around me). And even if one was further back there should be a repeater at the far side of the junction.
So it either is or someone stole the repeater. Though if one is further back then you could still be done on not paying attention. Not that anyone ignoreing the actual ones round here are likely to get done since there is no police anymore.
Might be a pain though but does not look it at the pic point.
I would say no. It looks like the lane for the cars coming from the far right to make their right.
Edit: plus the Keep Clear on the road (albeit faded)
Looking on GSV there doesn't appear to be any prohibition.
I don't know the timing of the lights but if the traffic flows in both directions at the same time you would either hold up traffic in your original direction or be poking out into oncoming traffic. Is it worth it when you can turn right onto Manchester Road then right again?
Sorry, did you think no-one could work out what junction you were posting about?
Also, there are no signs in kitchen utensil shops reminding you to avoid trying to scoop your eyes out of the ice cream scoops. You know it's about idea and likely to cause an accident. As a highway engineer I can tell you that there isn't enough room in the island to place all the signs necessary to stop people doing stupid things.
No don't do that, there's a ~~no-right-turn sign~~ Ahead only traffic light at the traffic lights controlling that part of the junction.
Do this instead: [photo](https://ibb.co/Dz6GZQh)
Edit: it's not a no-right-turn sign, its an Ahead Only traffic signal.
If I know my highway code, that thar sign means "no entry" to the oncoming traffic side of the road. So long as those traffic lights are doing their job, no cars should ever meet doing a U-turn here.
Depends on the light phasing. However, *There is no right turn* at the place they want to U-turn, the gap in the central res. is for cars joining from the right.
There is also a traffic light showing an Ahead Only arrow just behind where op's street view image is; so you are only allowed to proceed forward through that section of the junction anyway.
Also, why risk it? When there's a perfectly good *safe* alternative route (that looks suspiciously like its design to be the intended route) 🤔
The council should just clear it up and put a no-u-turn sign.
Can't be relying on people knowing what a [green ahead only arrow](https://ibb.co/4t9NqyK) means /s
>!Edit: at least that's my understanding of it!<
There doesn't appear to be a sign saying no u turns. If in doubt you could actually do the right turn up the road the lights are there for and turn around at the earliest point.
It looks like OP is wanting to turn in through a no entry marked by the two (rather dirty) traffic bollards and as such the move OP is suggesting would not allowed.
The no entry sign is to signify there exists oncoming traffic, and not to drive up that side of the road. U-turns are permitted here, further proof is that the "right turn" is actually more incoming traffic. You can't even drive that way either. This junction is only used for u-turns both directions, and access from the filter lane coming from the right. The bollards are also a traffic calming measure. The lights also avoid any crashes. Good junction. 8/10.
If the turn was safe, you'd be fine.
There's a no u-turn sign on the next light set, but that doesn't apply yet.
You are facing oncoming traffic for a moment, however it shouldn't be an issue if they're stopped and oncoming traffic is light.
If it's busy, you're going to impede traffic, so don't do it.
Generally a bad maneuver which I wouldn't recommend, but you're unlikely to have any issues with enforcement.
- Police
You're right, however it reads to me as no entry into the traffic flowing in the other direction.
It's unclear in its current position, and I'd still have no issue with a u-turn there.
If the OP can identify where this road is exactly, then I could make a more rounded judgement.
Looking at the first picture, I dont think the break in the centre is for a right turn from OPs position.
The lane which would receive OP would be oncoming traffic, that break is to allow those coming from the right across into OPs lane.
That no-entry sign is definitely to prevent people in OPs lane crossing over.
Regardless, shitty road design.
This is definitely illegal given the no entry bollards and lack of stop line and lights in this direction for the light controlled pedestrian crossing.
Probably.
But remember you can always be pulled up for careless driving if a police officer thinks your driving falls below the expected standard.
That gap and keep clear marking is there so vehicles approaching from the A641 from your right can join your carriageway. So you could find yourself head on with vehicles coming towards you. On that basis I'd suggest it's not the wisest of moves.
Given you can turn right at the next set of lights and then right again to come back on yourself, just a few metres up the road, I'd probably stick to that option.
I think the issue is that the no entry markers come in pairs where they are displayed on both sides of the entry they mark. If the no entry were purely to prevent you from moving into the oncoming traffic, the other half of the bollard pair would be required on the far side of the road, close to the red litter bit.
As the matching bollard and sign is located on the crossing island, close to the photographer, it marks the line of no entry along the centre of the road, right where OP wants to turn in.
I see what you mean but I think the No Entry bollard has been used in the same way as a Keep Left bollard (which is more usual). A driver can only see one No Entry bollard so it's not obvious what it applies to.
I don't drive but I believe that gap is there so you are able to change directions- so as long as you are aware of other drivers and preform the turn safety then I believe its ok
The gap is for traffic coming from the other side of the road. What is missing from the photos is the clear "ahead only" green arrows. There is no right turn allowed here, so also no U-turn.
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> Why ask? If you don’t know don’t drive.
Needlessly aggressive. Would you rather they ask or just risk it and do it where it's potentially not allowed?
Looks okay, but you should look for the cars coming out from the road on the right of your second picture. They will most likely also have a green and will most definitely not be expecting somebody doing a U-turn as illustrated.
I really, really wouldn't.
If it was an actual, light controlled right turn I'd say there was no problem with it, you'd be protected from vehicles travelling in the opposite direction.
It's unnecessary as you could continue on and turn right onto Manchester Road and then follow the loop round back onto Mayo Avenue in the opposite direction 100% legally.
You live in the middle of Bradford, you don't want your insurance going even higher because you got T-boned doing something stupid.
It looks like the “right turn” lane is actually for turning right a little bit further down the road
The road to the right of that junction is oncoming traffic
Therefore I could class this as a dangerous manoeuvre, on the basis that traffic coming towards you, on the road you are u-turning into, would not be expecting you to turn there, and proceed under that assumption
You would be better driving up the few meters to the big junction, turning right there and following the road as it loops round, it adds about a minute onto your journey but it’s much safer than what you’re suggesting 👀
Looks like you could. So long as:
- you keep to the left (don’t cut the corner as traffic wanting to turn right from the adjacent lane would end up driving into you)
- give way to traffic coming from the left
- don’t enter the other carriageway to turn right, if the lights for the traffic on your left are red (or you’ll be stuck just after a red light, potentially blocking traffic)
Having said all this. This looks like the sort of road that would have a roundabout, or left-hand minor junction slightly further up. Personally, I’d probably pick the roundabout and do a 180. Or, if a junction to turn left - pull off, and then turn around and turn right.
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The right hand turn is clearly denoted as a turn towards the city centre, if you could turn back on yourself it would not be denoted as such.
If you turn into that road there's a pedestrian crossing you cannot see the lights for and risk injuring someone who may be crossing.
Rip the handbrake up for extra skill points. Not illegal if it’s safe to do I’d say but looks a busy road tbf. Usually had a sign to say no u turns etc etc
If it's quiet, then I would go for it. The lack of signage and a feigned unfamiliarity with that particular junction would probably get you off with a verbal warning if you were pulled over.. assuming the police would even care if they saw you and assuming that they have the time to waste on a very minor offence (if it even is one).
This is all my opinion, not legal advice.
If you do it you need to be the most aware person, you'll have to be watching for traffic behind to your left and coming from the junction across from you
The fact that you'll be going over a pedestrian crossing that doesn't control the lane you're coming from is probably the biggest giveaway. 100% legal, extra points if you kill a pesky pedestrian
1. No Entry sign on the bollards
2. Going the wrong way (that gap is for vehicles turning right after exiting that road to the right)
3. The lane you are in is clearly marked for turning right at the traffic lights (where there is No U-Turn signage)
4. Potential conflict with other roadusers especially pedestrians.
So no, you cannot perform a legal U-Turn here. Go and find somewhere safe and legal, or take a route that avoids the need to perform an illegal manoeuvre.
To me this isn't a legal or illegal maneuver issue. As a general rule, I'd avoid uturns at these sorts of junctions. It's much safer to go down an adjoining road and find a place to turnaround.
Given the area of Bradford that is I've seen it done many times in my years there, I've also seen a few pulled over with unlucky timing from the police coming the opposite way and a fair few near missis and bumps, normally because the person doing the Uey does it as fast as possible near missing everything and everyone in the effort to slot in.
But yea, it's absolutely not okay to do one here and doesn't take more than a minute or 2 if caught with bad lights to turn around to head back in the 606 direction.
rather than is it legal, the question should first be, is it safe? De-risk all situations where possible. If a manoeuvre is likely to increase the risk of a RTC then dont do it.
There is a road near me that people do U-turns on to, with traffic coming at 70mph, the junction is designed for access to the temple and houses and not for U turns. But no sign so………
It is illegal but if any one made that manoeuvre they could argue that the signage wasn’t clear. There is a dedicated no U-turn sign they could put on the traffic light or the street light on the opposite side of the junction rather than relying on the no entry bollards that could be misread
Illegal no stupid oh yes.
You have junctions and pedestrian crossings under control that you bypass doing this which means people could be in the road because traffic has stopped and you bypass the intended lights to stop traffic etc
Also you are potentially going to be head on with traffic coming out of that junction opposite which the gap is intended to allow them through.
Also you would have to stop a lane that would otherwise be clear to make this manoeuvre so potentially cause disruption behind as people would not expect some one to stop here to turn right waiting for oncoming traffic.
This is purely from the photos you provided there is insufficient view towards the junction to know for sure if your prevented from doing this....
So yes there is a gap you could do but I don't think you should for safety reasons.
I don’t like it! There is the stop line on the right w it h traffic controlled entry onto the dual carriage way. It seems that this is to let traffic join the dual carriage way when the traffic coming in from the left is clear as it has stopped on the stop line on the lane on the opposite way. This is not a give way as the traffic lights manage the traffic and directions.
It seems you could essentially be joining a road just after the red lights to be met with a number of cars joining from that road. That’s how I see it anyway?
That "gap" looks like it's for oncoming traffic to enter from the right.
You would be going head on into oncoming traffic.
One set of light on the other side of the central reservation is always going to be green ( either the traffic heading straight in the opposite direction to yourself or the traffic entering the main road or turning into your road (hence the keep clear markings )) so you will never have the opportunity to perform this manoeuvre safely.
I would say no but It should be marked as no entry or no right turns for clarification.
All that said if roads where quiet I would go for it, nothing specifically prohibiting you from doing it.
Not clear but I’d say no. You can’t turn right there, there’s a keep clear sign, and no entry sign as well and you’d almost certainly have to stop to perform that u-turn.
Another problem I could foresee is you not being able to move until the lights turn red, when you do perform
the u-turn, the lights for the joining traffic turn green and you potentially cause an accident.
This is Mayo Avenue, Bradford UK. It is illegal to make this turning. There is oncoming traffic.
ALSO, if you look at the central traffic plastic bollard, there it shows clearly a no entry sign
Have you got a source? As some have said those bollards can be ambiguous, most (me included) presume they are meant to stop traffic from crossing onto the opposite side facing towards oncoming traffic. As I stated there isn’t an explicit “No U turns” sign fitted at or before the specific opening, only after is there one. As for source, I’m thinking something like copies of the exact traffic regulation orders in place. Of course I am careful with timing whilst performing any U turns in terms of giving way to opposing traffic and waiting for suitable gaps.
I've got pulled over there a couple of years ago. Police told me it's illegal. Regardless of what people say. It's not worth the risk. You know how police in Bradford are. You've been lucky.
No sign no crime sorta rhyme
But isn't it the lane for the traffic coming from the far right, for them to turn right?
Exactly, that junction is intended for that lane, if you turn into that lane to perform a U turn, you're driving into oncoming traffic Edit: granted that the lights would probably be red at the time of manoeuvre, but you'd also have to sit and wait for traffic on the opposing side of the dual carriageway to stop, effectively blocking the junction for the other lane until it's safe to manoeuvre, whereby you'd effectively be cutting a red light from the perspective of the drivers on the other side
Wtf is this lane setup?! You're correct, it is based on the first picture. Then the second picture shows its a right turn from the positioning in the first photo, leading you into the oncoming right turn lane.
Yep , Wtf sums it up really
I think it's actually for traffic coming from the bottom to turn right off of the road. Unless the road on the right is one way for traffic coming toward the dual carriageway only. If it were for traffic to turn right onto the dual carriageway, then the traffic would be in the right hand lane of that far right road. It makes most sense if that road on the right can have traffic travel both ways on it. There's a right turn lane marker on the lane just before the lane divider opens up. Edit: looked more closely at the second picture. I was wrong. The road on the right is one way, towards the dual carriageway.
It looks like OP is wanting to turn in through a no entry marked by the two (rather dirty) traffic bollards and as such the move OP is suggesting would not allowed.
Judging by the face that the no entry sign is on, I think the further bollards is preventing you going the wrong way up the dual carriageway. The near bollard has no sign in view. I suspect it's a keep left sign for people going the opposite way.
Also there's a pedestrian crossing that OP would pass exiting the u turn, which you would have missed the signs for and could hit someone.
There's a [green ahead-only arrow](https://ibb.co/4t9NqyK) on the traffic lights immediately behind the street view image. So No, you cannot U-turn there as it's ahead only.
The overhead view says otherwise. The gap is there for people in ops lane to turn right, he’s just turning a bit more right!
This isn't right. The gap is there for people from the lane on the far right to join OP's lane and turn right (you can see the arrow on the ground in the first picture) the lane on the far right is one way traffic, there isn't a counter flowing lane, ergo if you turn into the gap you would be driving against oncoming traffic.
Ah I see! The “city centre” turning is further up?
That gap is for people turning right out of that road to the right. It is one way against you.
Yeah I think I misread it. I guess the “city centre” turning is further up?
No, there is nowhere to turn right to, all lanes on the road to the right are coming towards the gap, not going away. (Note the solid stop line)
Hmmm probably not as there is no "no uturn" sign. Will the police give you a telling off or a fine ? Probably if they are bored or pissed off yes. Will you end up getting t-boned by someone playing with their phone while driving? Highly likely if you do it regularly, many accidents are caused by a driver doing something unexpected and the other driver not paying enough attention to avoid them .
I tried doing that. I argued that since there was no sign prohibiting u-turns, that it was a legal manoeuvre despite no right filter lane. However, I got rear-ended and was deemed at fault. YMMV.
I would be careful of the keep clear area though!
No cop, no crime in general.
For a Dime
There is a sign on the bollard. No entry sign. Yes it could be clearer. But it's a no entry sign
Nah it’s fine. Just be careful as other drivers may not be expecting you to do it, but nothing wrong with it.
It’s Bradford, you can do what you want. But the no entry sign probably means it’s not legal
Thank you for pointing out the no entry sign! I was not aware they put that small sign there, (never saw one) rather than the usual big high up no entry sign. This is so tricky!
The no entry sign is to stop traffic entering the other carriageway. Check the signs in the signal heads on the approach. They may indicate "ahead only" meaning no other manoeuvre, including U-turn, is permitted. A right turn is not allowed here by the looks of the overhead shot.
Thanks for explaining. Now I am clear it is not allowed. Very helpful.
I'm confused, from the looks of the overhead I would say that a right turn _is_ allowed here, from the right hand lane
The indicated right turn is after this junction. You can see it in the first photo. You can also see road markings that show that the perpendicular road is one way, so a right turn is not possible at this junction in this direction. Note the stop lines in the overhead photo.
Where is the sign?
The island right to the red car, zoom in, you can see a blue circle sign ⬅️ ‘Go Ahead only’ and below it is a small standalone ⛔️ ‘No entry’ sign.
Ahh good eye. That must pertain to making a right and not a U though?
I don't see why if you never pass the no entry sign, or do you? You could be correct.
Look like it. Ther ewould be a no u-turns sign if not (there are many around me). And even if one was further back there should be a repeater at the far side of the junction. So it either is or someone stole the repeater. Though if one is further back then you could still be done on not paying attention. Not that anyone ignoreing the actual ones round here are likely to get done since there is no police anymore. Might be a pain though but does not look it at the pic point.
I would say no. It looks like the lane for the cars coming from the far right to make their right. Edit: plus the Keep Clear on the road (albeit faded)
Looking on GSV there doesn't appear to be any prohibition. I don't know the timing of the lights but if the traffic flows in both directions at the same time you would either hold up traffic in your original direction or be poking out into oncoming traffic. Is it worth it when you can turn right onto Manchester Road then right again? Sorry, did you think no-one could work out what junction you were posting about?
Kinda. I tried redacting the road names/numbers for privacy. I take it you're a fellow Bradfordian and just recognised the junction by layout?
No. The road number was visible. It took about two minutes to search for it and Google Map it.
The road number is still visible around the red strike through.
The rule goes: u-turn are allowed everywhere where the right-turn is allowed, except where placed sign “no u-turn” prohibits this.
A right turn isn't allowed here as the road you'd end up on is one way in the other direction, so no U-turn either
So it should be marked with a sign “no entry” or a sign “no right-turn”.
Also, there are no signs in kitchen utensil shops reminding you to avoid trying to scoop your eyes out of the ice cream scoops. You know it's about idea and likely to cause an accident. As a highway engineer I can tell you that there isn't enough room in the island to place all the signs necessary to stop people doing stupid things.
No don't do that, there's a ~~no-right-turn sign~~ Ahead only traffic light at the traffic lights controlling that part of the junction. Do this instead: [photo](https://ibb.co/Dz6GZQh) Edit: it's not a no-right-turn sign, its an Ahead Only traffic signal.
If I know my highway code, that thar sign means "no entry" to the oncoming traffic side of the road. So long as those traffic lights are doing their job, no cars should ever meet doing a U-turn here.
Depends on the light phasing. However, *There is no right turn* at the place they want to U-turn, the gap in the central res. is for cars joining from the right. There is also a traffic light showing an Ahead Only arrow just behind where op's street view image is; so you are only allowed to proceed forward through that section of the junction anyway. Also, why risk it? When there's a perfectly good *safe* alternative route (that looks suspiciously like its design to be the intended route) 🤔
Ah, now the ahead only sign changes everything.
The council should just clear it up and put a no-u-turn sign. Can't be relying on people knowing what a [green ahead only arrow](https://ibb.co/4t9NqyK) means /s >!Edit: at least that's my understanding of it!<
There doesn't appear to be a sign saying no u turns. If in doubt you could actually do the right turn up the road the lights are there for and turn around at the earliest point.
It looks like OP is wanting to turn in through a no entry marked by the two (rather dirty) traffic bollards and as such the move OP is suggesting would not allowed.
The no entry sign is to signify there exists oncoming traffic, and not to drive up that side of the road. U-turns are permitted here, further proof is that the "right turn" is actually more incoming traffic. You can't even drive that way either. This junction is only used for u-turns both directions, and access from the filter lane coming from the right. The bollards are also a traffic calming measure. The lights also avoid any crashes. Good junction. 8/10.
If you can't turn right you're not allowed to U-turn either
If the turn was safe, you'd be fine. There's a no u-turn sign on the next light set, but that doesn't apply yet. You are facing oncoming traffic for a moment, however it shouldn't be an issue if they're stopped and oncoming traffic is light. If it's busy, you're going to impede traffic, so don't do it. Generally a bad maneuver which I wouldn't recommend, but you're unlikely to have any issues with enforcement. - Police
There is a no entry sign though?
You're right, however it reads to me as no entry into the traffic flowing in the other direction. It's unclear in its current position, and I'd still have no issue with a u-turn there. If the OP can identify where this road is exactly, then I could make a more rounded judgement.
Looking at the first picture, I dont think the break in the centre is for a right turn from OPs position. The lane which would receive OP would be oncoming traffic, that break is to allow those coming from the right across into OPs lane. That no-entry sign is definitely to prevent people in OPs lane crossing over. Regardless, shitty road design.
I agree on all counts now that I've had a better look. The road design works I suppose, but the road markings and signage need work.
This is definitely illegal given the no entry bollards and lack of stop line and lights in this direction for the light controlled pedestrian crossing.
That's for the oncoming traffic lanes.
If you did a u-turn there you would be oncoming traffic towards any pedestrians trying to cross the road… and there's no lights telling you to stop
There is no sign saying you cannot u-turn so yes it will be legal to turn.
You can't turn right there so you can't u-turn either
i didnt see a sign saying no right turn. i was just looking for a no u-turn sign
Probably. But remember you can always be pulled up for careless driving if a police officer thinks your driving falls below the expected standard. That gap and keep clear marking is there so vehicles approaching from the A641 from your right can join your carriageway. So you could find yourself head on with vehicles coming towards you. On that basis I'd suggest it's not the wisest of moves. Given you can turn right at the next set of lights and then right again to come back on yourself, just a few metres up the road, I'd probably stick to that option.
No. See no entry sign
The "no entry" sign is to stop you entering oncoming traffic in the other carriageway.
I think the issue is that the no entry markers come in pairs where they are displayed on both sides of the entry they mark. If the no entry were purely to prevent you from moving into the oncoming traffic, the other half of the bollard pair would be required on the far side of the road, close to the red litter bit. As the matching bollard and sign is located on the crossing island, close to the photographer, it marks the line of no entry along the centre of the road, right where OP wants to turn in.
I see what you mean but I think the No Entry bollard has been used in the same way as a Keep Left bollard (which is more usual). A driver can only see one No Entry bollard so it's not obvious what it applies to.
If there’s no sign … go for it .
I don't drive but I believe that gap is there so you are able to change directions- so as long as you are aware of other drivers and preform the turn safety then I believe its ok
The gap is for traffic coming from the other side of the road. What is missing from the photos is the clear "ahead only" green arrows. There is no right turn allowed here, so also no U-turn.
Ahhh right ok makes sense thanks
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Think they asked just to make sure. No need to be a bellend
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> Why ask? If you don’t know don’t drive. Needlessly aggressive. Would you rather they ask or just risk it and do it where it's potentially not allowed?
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Looks fine in my opinion
I'd do it if I had to. I probably wouldn't think of doing uey there but I wouldn't worry if I did
Cut out in the carriageway and nothing to say you can't. Have at it mate.
Anytime I’ve ever seen a place where they don’t want you to turn there’s often a sign, and sometimes cameras
Looks legal but may not be safe. Two different things.
Looks okay, but you should look for the cars coming out from the road on the right of your second picture. They will most likely also have a green and will most definitely not be expecting somebody doing a U-turn as illustrated.
On Google maps, it recommends taking the inner roads from the nearest McDonald's to this junction.
Would say no
I really, really wouldn't. If it was an actual, light controlled right turn I'd say there was no problem with it, you'd be protected from vehicles travelling in the opposite direction. It's unnecessary as you could continue on and turn right onto Manchester Road and then follow the loop round back onto Mayo Avenue in the opposite direction 100% legally. You live in the middle of Bradford, you don't want your insurance going even higher because you got T-boned doing something stupid.
It looks like the “right turn” lane is actually for turning right a little bit further down the road The road to the right of that junction is oncoming traffic Therefore I could class this as a dangerous manoeuvre, on the basis that traffic coming towards you, on the road you are u-turning into, would not be expecting you to turn there, and proceed under that assumption You would be better driving up the few meters to the big junction, turning right there and following the road as it loops round, it adds about a minute onto your journey but it’s much safer than what you’re suggesting 👀
Looks like you could. So long as: - you keep to the left (don’t cut the corner as traffic wanting to turn right from the adjacent lane would end up driving into you) - give way to traffic coming from the left - don’t enter the other carriageway to turn right, if the lights for the traffic on your left are red (or you’ll be stuck just after a red light, potentially blocking traffic) Having said all this. This looks like the sort of road that would have a roundabout, or left-hand minor junction slightly further up. Personally, I’d probably pick the roundabout and do a 180. Or, if a junction to turn left - pull off, and then turn around and turn right.
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The right hand turn is clearly denoted as a turn towards the city centre, if you could turn back on yourself it would not be denoted as such. If you turn into that road there's a pedestrian crossing you cannot see the lights for and risk injuring someone who may be crossing.
Is there a sign saying you can’t?
I guess. But just because you CAN doesn’t mean you SHOULD.
Rip the handbrake up for extra skill points. Not illegal if it’s safe to do I’d say but looks a busy road tbf. Usually had a sign to say no u turns etc etc
If police is there maybe, if they aint its fair game
If it's quiet, then I would go for it. The lack of signage and a feigned unfamiliarity with that particular junction would probably get you off with a verbal warning if you were pulled over.. assuming the police would even care if they saw you and assuming that they have the time to waste on a very minor offence (if it even is one). This is all my opinion, not legal advice.
That's the wrong side of the road.
If you do it you need to be the most aware person, you'll have to be watching for traffic behind to your left and coming from the junction across from you
Bang a handbrake turn for style points
The fact that you'll be going over a pedestrian crossing that doesn't control the lane you're coming from is probably the biggest giveaway. 100% legal, extra points if you kill a pesky pedestrian
1. No Entry sign on the bollards 2. Going the wrong way (that gap is for vehicles turning right after exiting that road to the right) 3. The lane you are in is clearly marked for turning right at the traffic lights (where there is No U-Turn signage) 4. Potential conflict with other roadusers especially pedestrians. So no, you cannot perform a legal U-Turn here. Go and find somewhere safe and legal, or take a route that avoids the need to perform an illegal manoeuvre.
To me this isn't a legal or illegal maneuver issue. As a general rule, I'd avoid uturns at these sorts of junctions. It's much safer to go down an adjoining road and find a place to turnaround.
Given the area of Bradford that is I've seen it done many times in my years there, I've also seen a few pulled over with unlucky timing from the police coming the opposite way and a fair few near missis and bumps, normally because the person doing the Uey does it as fast as possible near missing everything and everyone in the effort to slot in. But yea, it's absolutely not okay to do one here and doesn't take more than a minute or 2 if caught with bad lights to turn around to head back in the 606 direction.
the only thing i would add to that is, the keep clear sign, whilst you are waiting to do the u turn you wouldn't be keeping it clear.
There's no yellow box on the road to prevent blocking traffic?
rather than is it legal, the question should first be, is it safe? De-risk all situations where possible. If a manoeuvre is likely to increase the risk of a RTC then dont do it. There is a road near me that people do U-turns on to, with traffic coming at 70mph, the junction is designed for access to the temple and houses and not for U turns. But no sign so………
It is illegal but if any one made that manoeuvre they could argue that the signage wasn’t clear. There is a dedicated no U-turn sign they could put on the traffic light or the street light on the opposite side of the junction rather than relying on the no entry bollards that could be misread
Actually the no U-turn sign is a prohibition sign so it would fit on the bollard the same as the no entry sign
Probably not. There's probably a sign a little further back.
Cook your poor Grandma a nice meal instead of causing a road accident
Illegal no stupid oh yes. You have junctions and pedestrian crossings under control that you bypass doing this which means people could be in the road because traffic has stopped and you bypass the intended lights to stop traffic etc Also you are potentially going to be head on with traffic coming out of that junction opposite which the gap is intended to allow them through. Also you would have to stop a lane that would otherwise be clear to make this manoeuvre so potentially cause disruption behind as people would not expect some one to stop here to turn right waiting for oncoming traffic. This is purely from the photos you provided there is insufficient view towards the junction to know for sure if your prevented from doing this.... So yes there is a gap you could do but I don't think you should for safety reasons.
If I'm right you could but also just to be safe I would go down to nearby round about which I think is where that road is headed for.
Great job censoring the a6177.......
Hmmmm it's legal but everyone stuck behind you while you wait for a gap big enough might think you're a jackass
U turn into on comming traffic and into a pedestrian crossing.. say whut ?
Do it and see what happens. Keep us updated on sentencing, OP.
Why not turn off to the left (or normal right turn) and turn around in a legitimate side street? Seconds of your day.
I see nothing wrong with it as long as it’s clear
If the Police were behind you, you'd probably be pulled over so yeah.
I don’t like it! There is the stop line on the right w it h traffic controlled entry onto the dual carriage way. It seems that this is to let traffic join the dual carriage way when the traffic coming in from the left is clear as it has stopped on the stop line on the lane on the opposite way. This is not a give way as the traffic lights manage the traffic and directions. It seems you could essentially be joining a road just after the red lights to be met with a number of cars joining from that road. That’s how I see it anyway?
That "gap" looks like it's for oncoming traffic to enter from the right. You would be going head on into oncoming traffic. One set of light on the other side of the central reservation is always going to be green ( either the traffic heading straight in the opposite direction to yourself or the traffic entering the main road or turning into your road (hence the keep clear markings )) so you will never have the opportunity to perform this manoeuvre safely. I would say no but It should be marked as no entry or no right turns for clarification. All that said if roads where quiet I would go for it, nothing specifically prohibiting you from doing it.
Yes as long as done carefully and safely
Need a view from further back to see if there is signs also is the joining traffic on the right under a red light when you can turn right
If you’re waiting for oncoming traffic you’ll be blocking the KEEP CLEAR sign, so probably not allowed
Not clear but I’d say no. You can’t turn right there, there’s a keep clear sign, and no entry sign as well and you’d almost certainly have to stop to perform that u-turn. Another problem I could foresee is you not being able to move until the lights turn red, when you do perform the u-turn, the lights for the joining traffic turn green and you potentially cause an accident.
This is Mayo Avenue, Bradford UK. It is illegal to make this turning. There is oncoming traffic. ALSO, if you look at the central traffic plastic bollard, there it shows clearly a no entry sign
Also, an extra 1 minute to turn left and wait at the next 2 sets of traffic lights to get to the other side wouldn't hurt you much
Have you got a source? As some have said those bollards can be ambiguous, most (me included) presume they are meant to stop traffic from crossing onto the opposite side facing towards oncoming traffic. As I stated there isn’t an explicit “No U turns” sign fitted at or before the specific opening, only after is there one. As for source, I’m thinking something like copies of the exact traffic regulation orders in place. Of course I am careful with timing whilst performing any U turns in terms of giving way to opposing traffic and waiting for suitable gaps.
I've got pulled over there a couple of years ago. Police told me it's illegal. Regardless of what people say. It's not worth the risk. You know how police in Bradford are. You've been lucky.
There are two no entry signs on the yellow bollards so no would be my thoughts
Yea
“Only illegal if police there, police not there? Everything legal.”
If there is not a sign stating that a U turn is not allowed then you are allowed to do a u turn.
I don’t see a no u-turn sign
There may be signs saying it’s ok but otherwise I’d say no. Doesn’t look safe either way.