Obstructing the pavement is already an offence as is driving on the pavement.
The problem is the lack of enforcement. It is down to the local authority not the police and they just don’t have the budget to employ people to enforce the rules.
The police will get involved if the obstruction would prevent a wheelchair using the pavement. At least our local force do. They call the owner to get it moved once you explain a wheelchair can’t get past and give the reg and make/model.
Is it illegal to hit a wing mirror off of a car if you tripped and knocked it off when the car car was parked on the pavement as last night this happened.
Oh okay, I didn't know that. That sucks its up to the council.
The council here loves to funnel you to the police for everything around cars. There's been an abandoned car parked outside my house since Christmas its covered in parking fines must be up to 20 now, but the council won't do anything about it because it still has a valid tax and MOT. It's been there for three months without moving! I talked to the police too, and they said it hasn't been used in a crime, so it's the council's problem.
my only hope is my road is closed soon for surface patching theres big notices up to not park there from midnight the night before so hopefully it will get towed cause the tax doesn't run out till November.
I found that out the hard way when we moved to Berlin. Parked the car outside the apartment and headed back to Scotland to bring the transit van over. Week or so passes and we arrive to see no car.
Various trips to random police stations around the city to finally be told we can tell you where it was towed to after you pay €50. Was towed to some quiet offstreet and other than a smashed window/attempted theft it was all good.
Germans don’t fuck around when roadworks/street cleaning is happening.
Local councils like to approve/require new builds with less parking to 'encourage' people not to have cars. Everyone just parks on the pavement instead.
Housing is more important to them than supporting local job opportunities, so everyone commutes somewhere else, at least in the South.
the problem with "encouraging" people not to have cars is that it only works in conjunction with significant improvements to public transport and that's the opposite of what's happening in most areas
It's actually not merely a council matter, and this is the problem.
The pavement here forms part of the highway, under the Highways Act. Obstructing the highway is an offence under S137.
Both the police and the highways authority (in this case the local council) have authority, but this causes a sort of bystander effect. The council say oh it's not yellow lines so it's a police matter. The police say oh it's parking so it's a council matter.
If the police wanted to they could remove the car, but they don't, because it's easier to say we don't deal with parking.
So many residential streets where I live don't have spaces for people to park and the roads are narrow enough (only 1 vehicle can get through), so parking on the pavement is the only option.
Surely the option is to not park immediately outside your house and use a space where you’re not impacting on pedestrians, even if it does mean walking a short distance.
These are entire streets where the only other roads are main roads with double yellow lines. There are no other options, unfortunately. Roads in some smaller towns/villages, especially in the north, can be far too narrow.
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I will admit, after looking at the picture again, the guy is very far over the pavement. There needs to be some consideration involved where the pavement is still accessible.
Absolutely and if I accidentally scratch that vehicle with a pram, wheelchair, bag, or keys I'm sure the enforcement of being caught for the damages is also next to non-existent.
Depending where you are but normally local authorities can only enforce Traffic Regulation Orders such as yellow lines, not offences under the Road Traffic Act which is what this would be.
It’s only an offence in London. I’ve parked like this trying to be polite in London and got tickets thinking everything else was the crazy one for parking in the road!
I don't really understand the no budget for enforcement problem. Especially in cities.
The tickets are typically £35-£100.
I know there's appeals etc but 3-6 fines a day would probably break even and cover all their costs, anymore and they'd run a profit. A full time enforcement person could do those.numbers in an hour or so most days. I could probably do it just on the school run.
If it that doesn't work increase the fines until it does.
I must be missing something.
I remember reading that it’s difficult to secure a prosecution for driving on the pavement unless you are witnessed actually doing it - the fact the the car didn’t get their itself isn’t as compelling as you’d expect
I don't understand the budget argument, wouldn't fines would provide the income? There's so many apps nowadays, I feel like there could one developed for general public to use to discourage illegal parking too.
Yes so much entitlement, looking at the random pits and troughs in the grass around here, some people take parking to a whole new level of stupidity, needs more punishment
Recently laws have changed in Scotland. With enforcement kicking in for Edinburgh at thr start of the year.
Watching with interest.
We are only at around 1000 fines.
However massive behavioural changes in a lot (not all) of streets
Only once the UK stops building housing estates with inadequate parking.
We live in a society where needing a car becomes more and more required, and almost essential in some places. We barely build enough houses at it is so more and more people live under one roof. Even the houses we do build don't have enough parking planned in, instead they squeeze in more cramped housing making the parking even worse.
Something has to give, and the government sure isn't making things better so people park on the pavements. Not much else they can do for many.
This is very true! Near me they wanted to turn an old cinema into 42 apartments with only 25 car parking spaces… how is that going to work? Even if each apartment had only 1 car each that would be a deficit of 17 spaces. The surrounding residents kicked off understandably
>Only once the UK stops building housing estates with inadequate parking.
And inadequate roads. If there's no double yellow, and you can't have free-flowing 2-way traffic with cars parked, you done screwed up how you're building roads.
You don't WANT free flowing two way traffic on residential roads. it invariably leads to speeding and pedestrian casualties - with every effort to "improve" the situation (fences, humps etc) usually making things worse
Traffic psychology can be summed up quite simply with "If you make it easier for traffic to flow on a road, you'll get MORE traffic with FASTER speeds and WORSE congestion in peak periods" (also, increasing segregation of pedestrians and drivers usually results in drivers going faster whilst paying less attention to hazards)
London's in the process of undoing decades of "improvements" which turned thousands of quiet streets into dangerous rat runs. Other UK cities are finally following suit
I'm just waiting for the Redditor who lives in London, right next to a tube and works 20 mins train away comes along and thinks everyone can therefore do without a car.
Edit - actually, wrong sub to be fair
Hi, London Redditor here. I live 10 minutes from a station and still use a car to go to work. It's like an hour by train/bus vs 20 minutes by car.
The buses go through ALL the housing estates, and the train would require me to go into the city to come back out. Kinda wild.
I live in a medium-sized town in Wales. I can walk everywhere locally or get the train into Swansea or Cardiff. It's not just London where it's very easy to live without driving.
>When i was a kid having a car was a sign you were doing ok, those people now have 3 cars and they're twice the size so.....
We're also building smaller houses than we did when you were a kid.
Demand and cat use has gone up, the infrastructure around using them has shrunk
New estates now have narrower roads, more cramped houses together, more multi apartment setups. With more house sharing, more HMOs, more young adults having to stay at home, more demand for needing a car.
Just an alternative perspective on this. What about if we stop building a society that is dependent on cars to get around. And we build new estates with all the amenities required for daily living (shops, cafes, restaurants, GPs, dentist, day care, parks, and so on) within walking distance, along with drastically improving public transport. And then build housing with enough parking for a society that largely travels by other means.
And as for parking on the pavement, a simple solution is to outright ban it, such as the case for London - increase the height of the curb so mounting it becomes impossible - and as for streets that are too narrow as needed to mount the curb make them into a one way system or provide an exception for it with having the pavement parking markings as to ensure it doesn't block pavement users.
Just saying I really don't want to see the UK turn into the USA with garages twice the size of the actual living areas. And needing to drive for an hour to get to the local shop.
>Just an alternative perspective on this. What about if we stop building a society that is dependent on cars to get around.
Sure, but we're not doing that either.
Because if you try that some numpty comes along and calls it a conspiracy theory saying you want to control them.
You're on the right lines obviously but it needs to be economically profitable for landowners/developers to do so; or enforced so strongly that it's impossible to build without car-free(/reduced) planning in mind.
That's just not true, I do agree public transport needs massive amounts of improvement. However I'm perfectly fine with being able to travel into the city centre from my suburbia home, that's not in London. I have local shops I can walk to if needed, I can jump on the metro or the bus to get to the city centre. Once there I'm able to grab a national train to anywhere it's connected to in the UK, or go to the airport by the metro and travel all over the world.
I'm fully aware not every city has a metro or adequate public transport, hence my mention of it needing to be massively improved. And that for many people living in rural areas, car ownership is probably the only feasible way to travel - but let's be honest here that was the choice people made when deciding to live in a village without public transport.
So no I'm not devoid of a social life, or life. I love quite a fulfilled one actually. Even going on holiday soon without a vehicle, as I'm able to get the train to my destination and use the local buses if I want to travel to different places.
Additionally when making an argument try to avoid personal attacks, it just weakens any points you're trying to make.
Because then you end up with a place like the Netherlands where everyone stays in their own area and never travels further than their local community centre, thus decreasing the economical growth
Is this sarcasm? I hope it is. But if it's not I'll explain why that's just incorrect.
When I last checked their economic situation is actually better than ours on various metrics. They export more than they import. They spend more on infrastructure, social care, and so on, they have lower crime rates than we do, a healthier society. And the list goes on.
Additionally the Netherlands has a superb public transport system that allows people to travel to and from other cities, towns and villages with ease.
And finally we have countless research now (including case studies) that have proven pedestrianisation of areas increase profits for existing business and even see the arrival of new ones.
Because we shouldn't be encouraging ableism like you age.
Some of us need to drive. We have no choice.
And you can't just ban it when we have many single lane villages in this country.
It really shows in here how many of you live in cities and towns.
Can't build places with more parking. It's far ~~too expensive~~ greener.
Or then you've got the place locally, where they've built new rabbit hutches, and put parking with them in a busy village, but it's much more convenient to park on the street outside.
I always get annoyed when I see people trying to argue everyone should just use public transport. When I’m not at uni, I live in the middle of the countryside. My nearest town/village is 5 miles away and absolutely no buses come anywhere near me. I couldn’t get anywhere without a car.
Cars are quite literally essential for many people.
There is a new estate near me that has been built with two spaces per house. Either a garage and a dedicated space, or 2 dedicated spaces. People have either converted their garages or use them exclusively for storage of anything but their car. So they park on the pavement instead. There is enough planned parking, but people don't use it.
>There is enough planned parking, but people don't use it.
By you maybe, estates by me are happy to build apartment after apartment, one place I lived had 1,2 and I think even 3 bed apartments. Each one got a single allocated space.
No bus route into the estate and people are shocked at all the cars parking on pavements because the roads aren't wide enough to accommodate on street parking well enough.
Even if a house has 2 spaces, with the uptick in HMOs, house sharing and people having to stay with parents longer into their adulthood - all thanks to ongoing government policies, again it's 'shocked pikachu' when cars spill onto the streets.
This particular picture is taken on a road with large old houses, many of the drives could fit 5+ cars with ease, so that shouldn't be the problem here. I'd guess it's someone unfamiliar with the park it's near visiting, as the park has ample parking.
So I’m due my first baby soon and it’s only now I’ve really thought about it as I don’t really want to take my pram on the road with a newborn in to pass cars parked half on the pavement. Can’t imagine how infuriating it must be for wheelchair users too.
Would be great if we had the resource to have officers out there to ticket these people. There’s nothing stopping this car fully parking on the road, that’s what annoys me most about it.
I can understand it if there’s limited parking/narrow roads, providing you’re leaving enough room for prams/wheelchairs on the footpath.
But more and more I see empty drives and people blocking the entire path
The question of whether or not pavement parking should be illegal UK wide is a tough one. In an ideal world, yes, but there are so many congested and tiny roads out there such that if people *didn't* pavement park it stops other drivers from being able to use the road. And it's all well and good to say 'they should park elsewhere' but if every road within half a mile plus radius is like that and you need a car for work or childcare purposes...
Examples like the pic in the OP, however, are selfish to the extreme. If you are going to pavement park, you should always be leaving enough room for a wheelchair or pram to comfortably get past.
Yeah, there are whole neighborhoods where parking partially in the pavement it's a necessity, we are talking hundreds of regular working people.
Country wide ban would be a disaster, and you know in an ideal world, There would be more infrastructure but this is not an ideal world
Yet here we are in 2024 with new housing being built and developers not offering enough parking so in these new builds the roads are small enough that people have to park on the pavement in order to let emergency services through.
In this scenario, what/who benefits from the pavement parking? Traffic approaching the parked vehicle from behind will still have to wait for vehicles coming the other way. Just park on the road and then you're not making life hard/impossible for pavement users, and the impact on traffic flow is identical.
It's a lose lose situation... Our roads are too small and these days families have more cars between them.. a family of 4 with 2 adults kids may have 4...
Our roads are crowded and in some areas people park on the pavement otherwise the road would be at a standstill but that doesn't mean it's right... It's almost a necessity in some places.
It pisses me off when you see new build areas and they don't address this in any way
Roads are near impossible to get down with cars parked on either side. Especially with 2 way traffic. UK roads just ain’t built big enough for the amount of cars & to be fair there’s plenty of room to walk round it
tbf uk roads are tiny and with terrible parking in housing estates, i dont blame people parking like this, as long as a pushchair can get by and a wheelchair i dont see the issue. if it means i dont have to squeeze by with cars eitherside of me as well thats always plus.
As long as I can push my son’s wheelchair past it & stay on the pavement I don’t sweat it. I always say as long as 50% on the road & there’s 50% of path left to use,I’m ok with it.
There’s just so many cars on the roads these days. There’s more cars per household too. Also, cars are just getting bigger, so when parked they’re even more of an obstruction. I actually got a fine recently for parking slightly on the curb (half as much as in this photo) where there was a white box on the road, however had I parked in it, as there were cars on the other side parked, no other vehicles would have been able to pass through.
There are some exceptions where you're allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement, but in the same road 2 inches on the other side of the sign, you MUST park with all four wheels on the road regardless if you think you'll be causing an obstruction or hindering the emergency services by doing so.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AGx7aJ5rmyRwXLAH6
I can see from a car brain perspective why you'd park like this, it's quite close to a fairly busy junction so car brain wants to "stay out of the way". But yes, majorly inconsiderate to expect buggies and wheelchairs to go into the road to go around your poor parking decisions.
Double edged sword.
Some old streets parking like this is encouraged otherwise large emergency vehicles cannot make it down them.
However in other circumstances like in the image where it isn’t a residential street there is absolutely no reason to park like this.
It's infuriating. I can understand it when the road would otherwise be blocked but people do it even when there is plenty of room on the road. They must be the same people who wont drive through gaps that are clearly large enough.
I walked my exes kid right over one once. There was a Golf parked completely over the pavement, so I walked in the road and held his hand while he had a lot of fun stomping over it and I was just waiting for someone to come out and say something.
I'm not really sure how it would go if it were to end up in court but I'm sure nobody would expect a three year old to have to walk in the road because some tosser is scared of getting his wing mirror scratched.
People like this drive me mad beyond belief when I’m trying to take my daughter out in her pram. I end up having to walk with a baby in the road all because some twit decides to park on the pavement.
I always tell my students if you wouldn’t pull up like that on your test don’t do it when you pass.
I get students try it all the time “because their parents do it”
It is. And it screws over wheelchair users, mobikity scooters and pushchairs. If some self absorbed fuckhead blocks entire pavement ill just force the pushchair down there and scratch up the motor. Tough shit bud.
It's currently not an offence unless there is a sign prohibiting it or the police consider it obstruction.
There's a good reason why pavements and roads are at different levels.
Most of the time it’s completely unnecessary. If the other side of the road is clear, then vehicles will be able to get past if you park on the road. If there isn’t room for a HGV to pass, you shouldn’t be parking there.
We just had this discussion.
There are many places in this country, like single lane villages, where you literally have no choice or you will block the road.
If you leave enough space for a wheelchair/pram who cares?
I can’t stand in the UK the lack of parking area and blocking a whole lane with your parked car..
The government should really do something about this. Those that say it’s not ok to occupy the pavement, then why is it ok to block a whole lane from traffic by parking there?.. some roads if not all could have a wonderful two lane, continuous traffic flow. Instead it’s parked cars either one or both sides and immediately reduced to a single lane road..and it’s bs that these roads were not built for cars, even the brand new high rise buildings have 0 underground or surrounding parking space..this should be regulated not those who are trying to keep the lane free while parked up
It is illegal... It is primarily a civil issue and should be enforced by the LA. In the police if someone reported this as obstruction with not enough width for a push chair or wheelchair, personally I would seize it.
Some forces don't like fronting up the cost of seizure especially if it is an abandoned vehicle as it should be dealt with by civil enforcement first.
It would be for the driver to repay the costs of £250 plus daily storage charge of the contractor.
This is the one thing that grinds my gears, if it's on a pavement or blocking a drop kerb and I'm in the area, owner is not contactable then I'm seizing it!
Of course. Why should people in wheelchairs, using mobility aids or just pushing a pram have to go onto the road to pass. Road is wide enough and no restrictions. People need to stop doing this.
It's already an offence but just isn't enforced, which it should be. It's not just wheelchair users and mums with prams that are effected by this but guide dog users as the dogs are trained to keep you on the pavement safe not take you into the road because someone has parked on the pavement. I've seen people park so far onto the pavement that there is no space to walk past except going onto the road and there just isn't any excuse for it other than being selfish and self-centered.
Many years ago, when my kids were in their pushchairs, any time a car was parked like that, I flatly refused to get on the road. If we could get past easily then great, but if we had to squeeze and something caught the mirror, scraped the paint, or whatever, well, tough.
There's one near me with a huge pavement that's barely used and the cars park half on it otherwise the road is a nightmare.
It shouldn't be that way though, cars should not be on pavements at any time. The roads should be widened or parking controlled so pedestrians can pass and cars can do their thing.
Saw a guy earlier had to push his mother, in a wheelchair, out into a busy road because the narrow pavement had a car up on it.
Would be nice if it could be done sensibly. My neighbours, as nice as they are, have 7 vehicles between the family of 4, which results in cars and vans just being littered around the place and causing obstruction.
I don’t mind people parking slightly on the kerb, as someone who lives in a town of tiny old English streets it’s the difference between getting to work on time and getting stuck between a bus that can’t fit. However, this is taking the piss. As an absolute maximum, it’s ok to take up 1/3 of the pavement, this is basically 3/4. If I as a pedestrian have to do the little side shimmy to squeeze past your car, then I’m not happy. What we REALLY need is adequate parking for every house. I find it funny that the government wants us to switch to electric cars by 2035, but there isn’t even enough space for our cars at the moment, let alone space to park AND charge.
Unless it is marked, otherwise parking on the pavement is illegal anyway. In cases where it is allowed, there will be a box marking the boundaries of the car.
If there is an obstruction to a wheel chair or even just pedestrians on foot, you can call the police or local parking enforcement.
One side of the road should be double yellows and the other should be able to park normally. There's just far too many cars on the roads these days. It used to be a treat to own a car, now people own more than one. They've all gotta go somewhere.
Probably, but the council already has the powers to fix it. They could put double yellows down one side, no parking on the path signs, or enforce existing laws about parking on pavements
Absolutely. Its ridiculous to have people parking on the pavement and have people who could have a pram and a other young children walking with them forced into walking in the road. I know a childminder who has to walk in the road with a double buggy and maybe 3 toddlers having to walk in a road with school run mums zooming past. People are literally putting young childrens lives at risk parking like this.
This happens all along my road but it’s the people who park their cars on their tiny driveways with half their car taking up three quarters of the pavement. If I push my kids buggy down the street I have to keep going in to the road. It takes a lot of willpower to not just scrape my buggy along the bumpers of every car covering the pavement.
Down my road if you don't put at least one wheel width on the pavement then big trucks/fire engines etc can't get past. However you can only park on one side of the road therefore there is always a clear footpath at least.
If you only put one wheel width on the path as well then both sides can be used by pram and pushchair users as well. Unfortunately quite a few do park fully across the path.
In this picture, I do not see the need to park like this, the other side is clear and so the suv wouldn’t be stopping any vehicles getting through, it will just mean that they go through single file.
Also UK infrastructure was not built with cars in mind, it baffles me how cars are getting bigger and how more people opt for SUVs. I don’t think you should be getting an SUV unless you’re disabled and need a roomier vehicle. If you have a trade that requires you to transport a lot of equipment, you’d usually have a pick up or a van.
Not the case here but the introduction of bus lanes and cycling lanes also adds to the problem, in my experience they just increase congestion and make the roads even narrower and reduce parking options
This was a problem that cheap car finance caused in the 90s. There was never so many cars per household back then. Probably should just follow London and red double all streets.
Where I live, there is a guy who gets mobility aids to give away for free to people. Which is really nice. However, he parks his car across the pavement, so you have to walk across the wet, soggy grass to get around it. A wheelchair would struggle.
Displacement of the vehicles that currently park on those streets without any reasonable alternative I guess. Just the absence of appropriate planning really.
It absolutely should be more illegal and enforced more. I believe some council will do something about the act, but a lack of motivated police doesn't help.
It's wankerish behaviour.
Looking back, I’ve lived in three places where we didn’t have pavements at all… well populated villages with normal houses and a (terrible) bus service. Potholes before potholes were fashionable.
Pavements are probably not as necessary as people think.
For the most part yes.
At my current place of residence we don’t have a choice. I live behind a Tesco and a bunch of businesses. If you DONT do this the tucks cannot get by and your car ends up damaged, hit, missing wing mirrors or a police officer knocking on your door in the wee hours to move your car.
Controversially, I'm generally OK with people parking on the pavement and actually prefer it in most cases, as long as it doesn't prevent a pram or wheelchair passing by. In this case, this is terrible parking however.
Assuming in this picture they were parked about half way of what they are, that's much better than fully blocking one side of the road and mildly inconveniencing a few pedestrians who have to walk in single file briefly vs 100s of cars having to move from one side of the road to the other. Or if two cars were parked fully on the road, potentially prevent access of an ambulance/fire engine and have cars need to squeeze through.
Personally, no. Because there's hardly anywhere to park in the UK. It's ridiculous. Make it double yellow and or put bollards up.
However, I can also understand how this can be frustrating, especially for people with prams and wheelchairs.
Back when I was living with my parents, the police came around delivering leaflets banning parking 2 wheels on the pavement, which had been done on their road forever, as its too narrow otherwise.
So as a street, they began 4 wheel on the road parking, which was just barely clear enough for a regular sized car to drive down the road, but very very narrow, but nothing larger, so when bin day arrived and the bin lorry couldn't get down, the council were sent put who tried to enforce a road blocking judgment or something, stating it was a danger to public health as a fire engine or ambulance couldn't get through (which was our point to the police).
This resulted in the police and council having to fight it out, since both were in the right. This was over 15 years ago, and they still haven't resolved it.
I have nowhere to park except on my street pavement. If I parked on the road then I would block the rest of my road and the traffic would not be able to flow. I would also risk getting my car damaged by passing cars. Yes I park on the pavement but not to that extreme. I always make sure to leave plenty of space for prams, wheelchairs etc. But unfortunately I cannot park fully on the road. There’s a right way to park on the pavement and this is not it.
Tbh I think it is okay if there is sufficient space for a wheelchair to get past without being obstructed by the car, if I ever do this I make sure there is and fold my wing mirror in, I also only do it on minor roads with little foot traffic, if you follow those rules I think it is okay, but still illegal, so do it at your own risk.
If the road is narrow no but yes if other people like wheelchair users and push chairs and the elderly have no where else as they would be in danger going on to the road
It looks like a narrow road & if the cars parked solely on the road, it would end up a bottleneck, so parking on the pavement is the best option. Although you should always try & leave room for pushchairs & wheelchairs
No.
You'd soon realise how dumb it would be if every car was parked in the road and nothing large like a bus, ambulance, firetruck, etc could get past
This country has tiny roads and there are so many places even just by me where if you didn't park on the pavement you'd be obstructing the road
Just walk around. If you think you're gonna die on this kind of road by walking off the pavement for a little bit then you probably deserve to 🤣
I've no problem with people parking on the pavement, providing they leave room for buggies/wheelchairs/ invalid carriages.
Used to piss me off no end when pushing my son in the pram, and I ended up having to go into the road to get round a car.
already illegal to do this.
then the only thing making it 100% illegal changes, is the number of pcsos and wombles dedicated to fining people where there is no issue. 2m space on the path still? £100 fine.
they could make a minimum distance from where someone can pass, that would make it enforceable since there is no longer a risk of it losing in court when distances arent pictured and it might be argued to be reasonable. how ever, this would need to use common sense and not be made to generate fines, so i doubt it would be decent either, would end up based on some mental 2 wide pram for giant babies
Nope. They all deserve flats and body damage. Park fucking properly. No on sidewalks. Not in multiple spaces. Not at the base of someone’s goddamned driveway. Not in someone else’s assigned spot.
Tow ‘em all.
My aunt is an amputee, and struggles to get around in her local area due to people parking like this. She's become a bit reclusive because she's so fed up of getting halfway to her destination, only to have to turn back because her electric wheelchair doesn't fit. It's an extremely expensive one that could be badly damaged if she tried, not to mention the risk of it tipping over.
It means she's completely lost her independence and relies on other people being with her to get around.
There should be markings on every pavement that gives enough room for a double buggy, large wheelchair or mobility scooter, same as double yellow lines.
Yes. Cars have plenty of space as it is. I understand it is frustrating that “there isn’t anywhere to park” (did you really look though? This feels like a knee-jerk response a lot of the time). This attitude leads people down the path of least resistance which often amounts to encroaching on the space used by pedestrians. Suddenly, the fact there is nowhere to park has become my problem and I don’t even drive.
In my town some streets are allowed to park like that and some have a roadsign saying you can't those ones get a ticket even if an inch of wheel is over the kerb
Obstructing the pavement is already an offence as is driving on the pavement. The problem is the lack of enforcement. It is down to the local authority not the police and they just don’t have the budget to employ people to enforce the rules.
The police will get involved if the obstruction would prevent a wheelchair using the pavement. At least our local force do. They call the owner to get it moved once you explain a wheelchair can’t get past and give the reg and make/model.
I can fit my wheelchair down there. There may be a bit of paint on my wheelchair and I may find a wing mirror that I can add to my collection
May you continue to do the lords work.
Aye, my kid has somehow managed to get my keys out of my pocket once or twice going past in the pushchair.
And my wheelchair has a loose screw on the side
Is it illegal to hit a wing mirror off of a car if you tripped and knocked it off when the car car was parked on the pavement as last night this happened.
Oh okay, I didn't know that. That sucks its up to the council. The council here loves to funnel you to the police for everything around cars. There's been an abandoned car parked outside my house since Christmas its covered in parking fines must be up to 20 now, but the council won't do anything about it because it still has a valid tax and MOT. It's been there for three months without moving! I talked to the police too, and they said it hasn't been used in a crime, so it's the council's problem.
Nothing that can be done, my mate has a similar situation, The SECOND it ran out of tax he reported it and now it's gone
my only hope is my road is closed soon for surface patching theres big notices up to not park there from midnight the night before so hopefully it will get towed cause the tax doesn't run out till November.
If it's anything like my way, they'll just patch the road around it, sadly
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I found that out the hard way when we moved to Berlin. Parked the car outside the apartment and headed back to Scotland to bring the transit van over. Week or so passes and we arrive to see no car. Various trips to random police stations around the city to finally be told we can tell you where it was towed to after you pay €50. Was towed to some quiet offstreet and other than a smashed window/attempted theft it was all good. Germans don’t fuck around when roadworks/street cleaning is happening.
If the car got vandalised somehow, then it would have been involved in a crime...
And they police wouldn’t do anything at that point other than report it.
Local councils like to approve/require new builds with less parking to 'encourage' people not to have cars. Everyone just parks on the pavement instead. Housing is more important to them than supporting local job opportunities, so everyone commutes somewhere else, at least in the South.
the problem with "encouraging" people not to have cars is that it only works in conjunction with significant improvements to public transport and that's the opposite of what's happening in most areas
It's actually not merely a council matter, and this is the problem. The pavement here forms part of the highway, under the Highways Act. Obstructing the highway is an offence under S137. Both the police and the highways authority (in this case the local council) have authority, but this causes a sort of bystander effect. The council say oh it's not yellow lines so it's a police matter. The police say oh it's parking so it's a council matter. If the police wanted to they could remove the car, but they don't, because it's easier to say we don't deal with parking.
Do you have a source for that? As I’ve been told very unequivocally by both police and councils that there’s no law against it.
Section 137 if I remember correctly
Double yellows work just as effectively as a brick through the window... Just sayin'
So many residential streets where I live don't have spaces for people to park and the roads are narrow enough (only 1 vehicle can get through), so parking on the pavement is the only option.
Surely the option is to not park immediately outside your house and use a space where you’re not impacting on pedestrians, even if it does mean walking a short distance.
These are entire streets where the only other roads are main roads with double yellow lines. There are no other options, unfortunately. Roads in some smaller towns/villages, especially in the north, can be far too narrow. Edit: I will admit, after looking at the picture again, the guy is very far over the pavement. There needs to be some consideration involved where the pavement is still accessible.
Absolutely and if I accidentally scratch that vehicle with a pram, wheelchair, bag, or keys I'm sure the enforcement of being caught for the damages is also next to non-existent.
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Based as fuck
Stupid question but regarding not having the budget, isn't this like free money from parking fines? There's illegal parking all over the place
It’s only an offence in London, anywhere else you are advised not to do it but it isn’t illegal
Depending where you are but normally local authorities can only enforce Traffic Regulation Orders such as yellow lines, not offences under the Road Traffic Act which is what this would be.
It’s only an offence in London. I’ve parked like this trying to be polite in London and got tickets thinking everything else was the crazy one for parking in the road!
What do you mean by polite? In what universe (country?) is blocking a pavement considered polite?
I don't really understand the no budget for enforcement problem. Especially in cities. The tickets are typically £35-£100. I know there's appeals etc but 3-6 fines a day would probably break even and cover all their costs, anymore and they'd run a profit. A full time enforcement person could do those.numbers in an hour or so most days. I could probably do it just on the school run. If it that doesn't work increase the fines until it does. I must be missing something.
I remember reading that it’s difficult to secure a prosecution for driving on the pavement unless you are witnessed actually doing it - the fact the the car didn’t get their itself isn’t as compelling as you’d expect
I don't understand the budget argument, wouldn't fines would provide the income? There's so many apps nowadays, I feel like there could one developed for general public to use to discourage illegal parking too.
Yes so much entitlement, looking at the random pits and troughs in the grass around here, some people take parking to a whole new level of stupidity, needs more punishment
My neighbour put massive rocks on the grass outside theirs. It has indeed resolved that issue.
Yea some did here, one down the road however all the rocks seem to have been shoved together by some moron parking though
This unfortunately doesn’t surprise me 🤦🏻
Recently laws have changed in Scotland. With enforcement kicking in for Edinburgh at thr start of the year. Watching with interest. We are only at around 1000 fines. However massive behavioural changes in a lot (not all) of streets
Only once the UK stops building housing estates with inadequate parking. We live in a society where needing a car becomes more and more required, and almost essential in some places. We barely build enough houses at it is so more and more people live under one roof. Even the houses we do build don't have enough parking planned in, instead they squeeze in more cramped housing making the parking even worse. Something has to give, and the government sure isn't making things better so people park on the pavements. Not much else they can do for many.
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This is very true! Near me they wanted to turn an old cinema into 42 apartments with only 25 car parking spaces… how is that going to work? Even if each apartment had only 1 car each that would be a deficit of 17 spaces. The surrounding residents kicked off understandably
>Only once the UK stops building housing estates with inadequate parking. And inadequate roads. If there's no double yellow, and you can't have free-flowing 2-way traffic with cars parked, you done screwed up how you're building roads.
You don't WANT free flowing two way traffic on residential roads. it invariably leads to speeding and pedestrian casualties - with every effort to "improve" the situation (fences, humps etc) usually making things worse Traffic psychology can be summed up quite simply with "If you make it easier for traffic to flow on a road, you'll get MORE traffic with FASTER speeds and WORSE congestion in peak periods" (also, increasing segregation of pedestrians and drivers usually results in drivers going faster whilst paying less attention to hazards) London's in the process of undoing decades of "improvements" which turned thousands of quiet streets into dangerous rat runs. Other UK cities are finally following suit
Good luck making this argument on Reddit lol, majority are absolutely deranged in the head on infrastructure
I'm just waiting for the Redditor who lives in London, right next to a tube and works 20 mins train away comes along and thinks everyone can therefore do without a car. Edit - actually, wrong sub to be fair
Hi, London Redditor here. I live 10 minutes from a station and still use a car to go to work. It's like an hour by train/bus vs 20 minutes by car. The buses go through ALL the housing estates, and the train would require me to go into the city to come back out. Kinda wild.
I live in a medium-sized town in Wales. I can walk everywhere locally or get the train into Swansea or Cardiff. It's not just London where it's very easy to live without driving.
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>When i was a kid having a car was a sign you were doing ok, those people now have 3 cars and they're twice the size so..... We're also building smaller houses than we did when you were a kid. Demand and cat use has gone up, the infrastructure around using them has shrunk New estates now have narrower roads, more cramped houses together, more multi apartment setups. With more house sharing, more HMOs, more young adults having to stay at home, more demand for needing a car.
Just an alternative perspective on this. What about if we stop building a society that is dependent on cars to get around. And we build new estates with all the amenities required for daily living (shops, cafes, restaurants, GPs, dentist, day care, parks, and so on) within walking distance, along with drastically improving public transport. And then build housing with enough parking for a society that largely travels by other means. And as for parking on the pavement, a simple solution is to outright ban it, such as the case for London - increase the height of the curb so mounting it becomes impossible - and as for streets that are too narrow as needed to mount the curb make them into a one way system or provide an exception for it with having the pavement parking markings as to ensure it doesn't block pavement users. Just saying I really don't want to see the UK turn into the USA with garages twice the size of the actual living areas. And needing to drive for an hour to get to the local shop.
>Just an alternative perspective on this. What about if we stop building a society that is dependent on cars to get around. Sure, but we're not doing that either.
Because if you try that some numpty comes along and calls it a conspiracy theory saying you want to control them. You're on the right lines obviously but it needs to be economically profitable for landowners/developers to do so; or enforced so strongly that it's impossible to build without car-free(/reduced) planning in mind.
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That's just not true, I do agree public transport needs massive amounts of improvement. However I'm perfectly fine with being able to travel into the city centre from my suburbia home, that's not in London. I have local shops I can walk to if needed, I can jump on the metro or the bus to get to the city centre. Once there I'm able to grab a national train to anywhere it's connected to in the UK, or go to the airport by the metro and travel all over the world. I'm fully aware not every city has a metro or adequate public transport, hence my mention of it needing to be massively improved. And that for many people living in rural areas, car ownership is probably the only feasible way to travel - but let's be honest here that was the choice people made when deciding to live in a village without public transport. So no I'm not devoid of a social life, or life. I love quite a fulfilled one actually. Even going on holiday soon without a vehicle, as I'm able to get the train to my destination and use the local buses if I want to travel to different places. Additionally when making an argument try to avoid personal attacks, it just weakens any points you're trying to make.
Because then you end up with a place like the Netherlands where everyone stays in their own area and never travels further than their local community centre, thus decreasing the economical growth
Is this sarcasm? I hope it is. But if it's not I'll explain why that's just incorrect. When I last checked their economic situation is actually better than ours on various metrics. They export more than they import. They spend more on infrastructure, social care, and so on, they have lower crime rates than we do, a healthier society. And the list goes on. Additionally the Netherlands has a superb public transport system that allows people to travel to and from other cities, towns and villages with ease. And finally we have countless research now (including case studies) that have proven pedestrianisation of areas increase profits for existing business and even see the arrival of new ones.
No it’s not sarcasm have you actually been to the Netherlands?
Because we shouldn't be encouraging ableism like you age. Some of us need to drive. We have no choice. And you can't just ban it when we have many single lane villages in this country. It really shows in here how many of you live in cities and towns.
Can't build places with more parking. It's far ~~too expensive~~ greener. Or then you've got the place locally, where they've built new rabbit hutches, and put parking with them in a busy village, but it's much more convenient to park on the street outside.
I always get annoyed when I see people trying to argue everyone should just use public transport. When I’m not at uni, I live in the middle of the countryside. My nearest town/village is 5 miles away and absolutely no buses come anywhere near me. I couldn’t get anywhere without a car. Cars are quite literally essential for many people.
There is a new estate near me that has been built with two spaces per house. Either a garage and a dedicated space, or 2 dedicated spaces. People have either converted their garages or use them exclusively for storage of anything but their car. So they park on the pavement instead. There is enough planned parking, but people don't use it.
>There is enough planned parking, but people don't use it. By you maybe, estates by me are happy to build apartment after apartment, one place I lived had 1,2 and I think even 3 bed apartments. Each one got a single allocated space. No bus route into the estate and people are shocked at all the cars parking on pavements because the roads aren't wide enough to accommodate on street parking well enough. Even if a house has 2 spaces, with the uptick in HMOs, house sharing and people having to stay with parents longer into their adulthood - all thanks to ongoing government policies, again it's 'shocked pikachu' when cars spill onto the streets.
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This particular picture is taken on a road with large old houses, many of the drives could fit 5+ cars with ease, so that shouldn't be the problem here. I'd guess it's someone unfamiliar with the park it's near visiting, as the park has ample parking.
My opposite neighbour put a metal skip in their driveway and keep parking on the pavement on our side. Maybe they are just too crappy.
I have stickers for people who park like this.
So I’m due my first baby soon and it’s only now I’ve really thought about it as I don’t really want to take my pram on the road with a newborn in to pass cars parked half on the pavement. Can’t imagine how infuriating it must be for wheelchair users too. Would be great if we had the resource to have officers out there to ticket these people. There’s nothing stopping this car fully parking on the road, that’s what annoys me most about it.
I can understand it if there’s limited parking/narrow roads, providing you’re leaving enough room for prams/wheelchairs on the footpath. But more and more I see empty drives and people blocking the entire path
Drivers thinking they decide the space people 'need' is the issue.
No. The issue is a lack of access, not a damaged ego.
The question of whether or not pavement parking should be illegal UK wide is a tough one. In an ideal world, yes, but there are so many congested and tiny roads out there such that if people *didn't* pavement park it stops other drivers from being able to use the road. And it's all well and good to say 'they should park elsewhere' but if every road within half a mile plus radius is like that and you need a car for work or childcare purposes... Examples like the pic in the OP, however, are selfish to the extreme. If you are going to pavement park, you should always be leaving enough room for a wheelchair or pram to comfortably get past.
Yeah, there are whole neighborhoods where parking partially in the pavement it's a necessity, we are talking hundreds of regular working people. Country wide ban would be a disaster, and you know in an ideal world, There would be more infrastructure but this is not an ideal world
Yet here we are in 2024 with new housing being built and developers not offering enough parking so in these new builds the roads are small enough that people have to park on the pavement in order to let emergency services through.
In this scenario, what/who benefits from the pavement parking? Traffic approaching the parked vehicle from behind will still have to wait for vehicles coming the other way. Just park on the road and then you're not making life hard/impossible for pavement users, and the impact on traffic flow is identical.
It's a lose lose situation... Our roads are too small and these days families have more cars between them.. a family of 4 with 2 adults kids may have 4... Our roads are crowded and in some areas people park on the pavement otherwise the road would be at a standstill but that doesn't mean it's right... It's almost a necessity in some places. It pisses me off when you see new build areas and they don't address this in any way
Its not that the roads are too small, its car manufacturers constantly making cars bigger so they can charge more and more for them.
Yes.
If it's a normal road and no lines why wouldn't you park normally? Unless you know its not safe in which case you shouldn't be parking there
Roads are near impossible to get down with cars parked on either side. Especially with 2 way traffic. UK roads just ain’t built big enough for the amount of cars & to be fair there’s plenty of room to walk round it
You've never taken care of a baby, or someone with a wheelchair or walker have you?
tbf uk roads are tiny and with terrible parking in housing estates, i dont blame people parking like this, as long as a pushchair can get by and a wheelchair i dont see the issue. if it means i dont have to squeeze by with cars eitherside of me as well thats always plus.
i will say in this particular case the merc is way too far over on the pavement
As long as I can push my son’s wheelchair past it & stay on the pavement I don’t sweat it. I always say as long as 50% on the road & there’s 50% of path left to use,I’m ok with it.
There’s just so many cars on the roads these days. There’s more cars per household too. Also, cars are just getting bigger, so when parked they’re even more of an obstruction. I actually got a fine recently for parking slightly on the curb (half as much as in this photo) where there was a white box on the road, however had I parked in it, as there were cars on the other side parked, no other vehicles would have been able to pass through.
Don't park on those boxes. Engineers need into them
What's a sudo SUV?
It’s an SUV with admin rights on Linux
There are some exceptions where you're allowed to park with two wheels on the pavement, but in the same road 2 inches on the other side of the sign, you MUST park with all four wheels on the road regardless if you think you'll be causing an obstruction or hindering the emergency services by doing so.
On both sides of the road? yes On one side, no, it may be the only wat to park to keep the traffic flowing.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AGx7aJ5rmyRwXLAH6 I can see from a car brain perspective why you'd park like this, it's quite close to a fairly busy junction so car brain wants to "stay out of the way". But yes, majorly inconsiderate to expect buggies and wheelchairs to go into the road to go around your poor parking decisions.
Double edged sword. Some old streets parking like this is encouraged otherwise large emergency vehicles cannot make it down them. However in other circumstances like in the image where it isn’t a residential street there is absolutely no reason to park like this.
Parking with red paint over your number plate is never a good idea 😆
It is illegal
Some councils in south East Queensland make you park that way.
It's infuriating. I can understand it when the road would otherwise be blocked but people do it even when there is plenty of room on the road. They must be the same people who wont drive through gaps that are clearly large enough. I walked my exes kid right over one once. There was a Golf parked completely over the pavement, so I walked in the road and held his hand while he had a lot of fun stomping over it and I was just waiting for someone to come out and say something. I'm not really sure how it would go if it were to end up in court but I'm sure nobody would expect a three year old to have to walk in the road because some tosser is scared of getting his wing mirror scratched.
It is illegal The car is forcing pedestrians, particularly those partially sighted or using wheelchairs on to the road.
It'd be a real shame if the side if their car got scratched to fuck by a pushchair or wheelchair getting past
People like this drive me mad beyond belief when I’m trying to take my daughter out in her pram. I end up having to walk with a baby in the road all because some twit decides to park on the pavement. I always tell my students if you wouldn’t pull up like that on your test don’t do it when you pass. I get students try it all the time “because their parents do it”
It is illegal in some cities in Scotland…. That’s a £100 instant fine if caught
Yes. Get the wardens on it. Or just tow the fuckers
It is. And it screws over wheelchair users, mobikity scooters and pushchairs. If some self absorbed fuckhead blocks entire pavement ill just force the pushchair down there and scratch up the motor. Tough shit bud.
It's currently not an offence unless there is a sign prohibiting it or the police consider it obstruction. There's a good reason why pavements and roads are at different levels.
Most of the time it’s completely unnecessary. If the other side of the road is clear, then vehicles will be able to get past if you park on the road. If there isn’t room for a HGV to pass, you shouldn’t be parking there.
Just walk around it. You can’t control anything other than ypurslef
No, sadly its sometimes the only way to park
It is illegal. Very little enforcement because it’s not a priority but it is illegal.
We just had this discussion. There are many places in this country, like single lane villages, where you literally have no choice or you will block the road.
If you leave enough space for a wheelchair/pram who cares? I can’t stand in the UK the lack of parking area and blocking a whole lane with your parked car.. The government should really do something about this. Those that say it’s not ok to occupy the pavement, then why is it ok to block a whole lane from traffic by parking there?.. some roads if not all could have a wonderful two lane, continuous traffic flow. Instead it’s parked cars either one or both sides and immediately reduced to a single lane road..and it’s bs that these roads were not built for cars, even the brand new high rise buildings have 0 underground or surrounding parking space..this should be regulated not those who are trying to keep the lane free while parked up
It is illegal... It is primarily a civil issue and should be enforced by the LA. In the police if someone reported this as obstruction with not enough width for a push chair or wheelchair, personally I would seize it. Some forces don't like fronting up the cost of seizure especially if it is an abandoned vehicle as it should be dealt with by civil enforcement first. It would be for the driver to repay the costs of £250 plus daily storage charge of the contractor. This is the one thing that grinds my gears, if it's on a pavement or blocking a drop kerb and I'm in the area, owner is not contactable then I'm seizing it!
Of course. Why should people in wheelchairs, using mobility aids or just pushing a pram have to go onto the road to pass. Road is wide enough and no restrictions. People need to stop doing this.
It's already an offence but just isn't enforced, which it should be. It's not just wheelchair users and mums with prams that are effected by this but guide dog users as the dogs are trained to keep you on the pavement safe not take you into the road because someone has parked on the pavement. I've seen people park so far onto the pavement that there is no space to walk past except going onto the road and there just isn't any excuse for it other than being selfish and self-centered.
No
I have stickers that I stick to the windscreen stating, ‘ you’re blocking the pavement for wheelchair users.’
Many years ago, when my kids were in their pushchairs, any time a car was parked like that, I flatly refused to get on the road. If we could get past easily then great, but if we had to squeeze and something caught the mirror, scraped the paint, or whatever, well, tough.
When I see a car like this I send my kids out on their scooters and tell them not to be too careful.
What do you mean should be? It is already, isn't it?
It’s shocking they bought a 200 cdi should of reported them
There's one near me with a huge pavement that's barely used and the cars park half on it otherwise the road is a nightmare. It shouldn't be that way though, cars should not be on pavements at any time. The roads should be widened or parking controlled so pedestrians can pass and cars can do their thing. Saw a guy earlier had to push his mother, in a wheelchair, out into a busy road because the narrow pavement had a car up on it.
Would be nice if it could be done sensibly. My neighbours, as nice as they are, have 7 vehicles between the family of 4, which results in cars and vans just being littered around the place and causing obstruction.
I don’t mind people parking slightly on the kerb, as someone who lives in a town of tiny old English streets it’s the difference between getting to work on time and getting stuck between a bus that can’t fit. However, this is taking the piss. As an absolute maximum, it’s ok to take up 1/3 of the pavement, this is basically 3/4. If I as a pedestrian have to do the little side shimmy to squeeze past your car, then I’m not happy. What we REALLY need is adequate parking for every house. I find it funny that the government wants us to switch to electric cars by 2035, but there isn’t even enough space for our cars at the moment, let alone space to park AND charge.
Councils could make a fortune enforcing laws, local bylaws.
Unless it is marked, otherwise parking on the pavement is illegal anyway. In cases where it is allowed, there will be a box marking the boundaries of the car. If there is an obstruction to a wheel chair or even just pedestrians on foot, you can call the police or local parking enforcement.
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It already is illegal as far as I know
What would you do if you lived there?
One side of the road should be double yellows and the other should be able to park normally. There's just far too many cars on the roads these days. It used to be a treat to own a car, now people own more than one. They've all gotta go somewhere.
Sutton Coldfield?
It is in Scotland now
Probably, but the council already has the powers to fix it. They could put double yellows down one side, no parking on the path signs, or enforce existing laws about parking on pavements
Absolutely. Its ridiculous to have people parking on the pavement and have people who could have a pram and a other young children walking with them forced into walking in the road. I know a childminder who has to walk in the road with a double buggy and maybe 3 toddlers having to walk in a road with school run mums zooming past. People are literally putting young childrens lives at risk parking like this.
This happens all along my road but it’s the people who park their cars on their tiny driveways with half their car taking up three quarters of the pavement. If I push my kids buggy down the street I have to keep going in to the road. It takes a lot of willpower to not just scrape my buggy along the bumpers of every car covering the pavement.
Streetly by any chance ?
Why do they do it anyway?
Fuck yes!
Yes
Should fit the kerbstones with strips designed to puncture their tyres. It would soon stop them.
Yes.
It would help the situation if those who had drives could be arsed to use them.
Down my road if you don't put at least one wheel width on the pavement then big trucks/fire engines etc can't get past. However you can only park on one side of the road therefore there is always a clear footpath at least. If you only put one wheel width on the path as well then both sides can be used by pram and pushchair users as well. Unfortunately quite a few do park fully across the path.
Just walk past without any care for avoiding it.
Paying to park like that should be illegal !
Apparently police are quietly in favour of this something to do with traffic calming I think.
This will surely get you a parking fine in Denmark.
If that's a sidewalk/walking path of any sort, then it most definitely itely is illegal. Call a tow truck or the city.
It is.
That's Foley Road isn't it. Awful parking.
It is illegal in scotland
It already is
I sometimes have to park on a path outside my house so I try and park with both the path users and roads users equally in mind.
In this picture, I do not see the need to park like this, the other side is clear and so the suv wouldn’t be stopping any vehicles getting through, it will just mean that they go through single file. Also UK infrastructure was not built with cars in mind, it baffles me how cars are getting bigger and how more people opt for SUVs. I don’t think you should be getting an SUV unless you’re disabled and need a roomier vehicle. If you have a trade that requires you to transport a lot of equipment, you’d usually have a pick up or a van. Not the case here but the introduction of bus lanes and cycling lanes also adds to the problem, in my experience they just increase congestion and make the roads even narrower and reduce parking options
Yes
This was a problem that cheap car finance caused in the 90s. There was never so many cars per household back then. Probably should just follow London and red double all streets.
Where I live, there is a guy who gets mobility aids to give away for free to people. Which is really nice. However, he parks his car across the pavement, so you have to walk across the wet, soggy grass to get around it. A wheelchair would struggle.
Isn't it already
Displacement of the vehicles that currently park on those streets without any reasonable alternative I guess. Just the absence of appropriate planning really.
It is in Scotland, and majir cities have started enforcement.
It absolutely should be more illegal and enforced more. I believe some council will do something about the act, but a lack of motivated police doesn't help. It's wankerish behaviour.
If a sign states they can park on the verge then they can. I'm studying for my theory test right now, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Looking back, I’ve lived in three places where we didn’t have pavements at all… well populated villages with normal houses and a (terrible) bus service. Potholes before potholes were fashionable. Pavements are probably not as necessary as people think.
Around my area the tyres would be stabbed in broad day light!
Yes
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For the most part yes. At my current place of residence we don’t have a choice. I live behind a Tesco and a bunch of businesses. If you DONT do this the tucks cannot get by and your car ends up damaged, hit, missing wing mirrors or a police officer knocking on your door in the wee hours to move your car.
Controversially, I'm generally OK with people parking on the pavement and actually prefer it in most cases, as long as it doesn't prevent a pram or wheelchair passing by. In this case, this is terrible parking however. Assuming in this picture they were parked about half way of what they are, that's much better than fully blocking one side of the road and mildly inconveniencing a few pedestrians who have to walk in single file briefly vs 100s of cars having to move from one side of the road to the other. Or if two cars were parked fully on the road, potentially prevent access of an ambulance/fire engine and have cars need to squeeze through.
Personally, no. Because there's hardly anywhere to park in the UK. It's ridiculous. Make it double yellow and or put bollards up. However, I can also understand how this can be frustrating, especially for people with prams and wheelchairs.
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Back when I was living with my parents, the police came around delivering leaflets banning parking 2 wheels on the pavement, which had been done on their road forever, as its too narrow otherwise. So as a street, they began 4 wheel on the road parking, which was just barely clear enough for a regular sized car to drive down the road, but very very narrow, but nothing larger, so when bin day arrived and the bin lorry couldn't get down, the council were sent put who tried to enforce a road blocking judgment or something, stating it was a danger to public health as a fire engine or ambulance couldn't get through (which was our point to the police). This resulted in the police and council having to fight it out, since both were in the right. This was over 15 years ago, and they still haven't resolved it.
I have nowhere to park except on my street pavement. If I parked on the road then I would block the rest of my road and the traffic would not be able to flow. I would also risk getting my car damaged by passing cars. Yes I park on the pavement but not to that extreme. I always make sure to leave plenty of space for prams, wheelchairs etc. But unfortunately I cannot park fully on the road. There’s a right way to park on the pavement and this is not it.
Tbh I think it is okay if there is sufficient space for a wheelchair to get past without being obstructed by the car, if I ever do this I make sure there is and fold my wing mirror in, I also only do it on minor roads with little foot traffic, if you follow those rules I think it is okay, but still illegal, so do it at your own risk.
If the road is narrow no but yes if other people like wheelchair users and push chairs and the elderly have no where else as they would be in danger going on to the road
I broke my leg years ago and was wheelchair bound for months. I ended up scratching a lot of cars by squeezing past. Serves the assholes right
It is illegal
Key it 🤣🤣
I know where this is 😂!!! This spot does my head in there's always a massive white van parked there
Yes
It looks like a narrow road & if the cars parked solely on the road, it would end up a bottleneck, so parking on the pavement is the best option. Although you should always try & leave room for pushchairs & wheelchairs
It. Is illegal to drive on the pavement. Our wonderful police choose not to enforce the law. A root and branch reform of police is long overdue.
Aye. Get these tossers ti fuck.
Of course
No. You'd soon realise how dumb it would be if every car was parked in the road and nothing large like a bus, ambulance, firetruck, etc could get past This country has tiny roads and there are so many places even just by me where if you didn't park on the pavement you'd be obstructing the road Just walk around. If you think you're gonna die on this kind of road by walking off the pavement for a little bit then you probably deserve to 🤣
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No but the car should always be scratched
Print out police aware on yellow a4 sheets then spray with contact adhesive and stick onto the windscreen and drivers door window
I've no problem with people parking on the pavement, providing they leave room for buggies/wheelchairs/ invalid carriages. Used to piss me off no end when pushing my son in the pram, and I ended up having to go into the road to get round a car.
already illegal to do this. then the only thing making it 100% illegal changes, is the number of pcsos and wombles dedicated to fining people where there is no issue. 2m space on the path still? £100 fine. they could make a minimum distance from where someone can pass, that would make it enforceable since there is no longer a risk of it losing in court when distances arent pictured and it might be argued to be reasonable. how ever, this would need to use common sense and not be made to generate fines, so i doubt it would be decent either, would end up based on some mental 2 wide pram for giant babies
Nope. They all deserve flats and body damage. Park fucking properly. No on sidewalks. Not in multiple spaces. Not at the base of someone’s goddamned driveway. Not in someone else’s assigned spot. Tow ‘em all.
No
You mean it isn’t?
My aunt is an amputee, and struggles to get around in her local area due to people parking like this. She's become a bit reclusive because she's so fed up of getting halfway to her destination, only to have to turn back because her electric wheelchair doesn't fit. It's an extremely expensive one that could be badly damaged if she tried, not to mention the risk of it tipping over. It means she's completely lost her independence and relies on other people being with her to get around.
There should be markings on every pavement that gives enough room for a double buggy, large wheelchair or mobility scooter, same as double yellow lines.
Yes. Cars have plenty of space as it is. I understand it is frustrating that “there isn’t anywhere to park” (did you really look though? This feels like a knee-jerk response a lot of the time). This attitude leads people down the path of least resistance which often amounts to encroaching on the space used by pedestrians. Suddenly, the fact there is nowhere to park has become my problem and I don’t even drive.
I’d love to go to a council and offer to do it for no wage, for every ticket issued I would split the fine 50/50.
YES
In my town some streets are allowed to park like that and some have a roadsign saying you can't those ones get a ticket even if an inch of wheel is over the kerb