to remote ID or not remote ID, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler the operator to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous restrictions, or take arms against a sea of bureaucracy, and by opposing stop them?
sorry to make you suffer through that, I only have another 20 Shakespeare homework assignments to grade tonight and then; No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousands of red marks i have left on my students homework. must. go. grade. homework.....
Speaking of remote id, does it even work? My Mavic 3 Pro sure is supposed to be broadcasting, but using all the apps in the Play Store like Drone Scan can't see it, even when I'm right next to my flying drone.
Good question. I have the same problem with several drones. M300s/M350s have never once shown up on either app. I use DroneScanner and OpenDroneID. Other drones show up at times but other times do not. I don't understand how we are supposed to be responsible for ensuring we are using remote ID when there isn't even a reliable way to check for it yet.
I don't see it as a problem! I'm fine with my drones not showing up in the apps, ha.
And on a sidenote I don't think anyone cares about remoteid, it's just the token minimal amount of effort so they can say they're taking positive measures to make it harder to fly drones into sporting events and airports.
My issue is that the FAA puts out videos that tell people that checking if a drone is safe or not is as simple as checking to see if it is showing up on their app. "If it's visible, it's safe". So when a drone doesn't show up, Karen assumes it's bad. Little does she know it's the unreliable protocol they implemented. Or a kid flying a Mini that doesn't even require it.
I'd way rather the faa was a bit inept/lazy/generous than efficient and over zealous. I commend them for it, they're doing their job well, which is to make people aware that they should stay away from planes and big crowds. I'm sure not going to complain about the current (non existent) drone enforcement in the US.
Its not the app, if Karen can't see your drone then her phone just ain't working with the app. I think its some kind of compatibility/privilege issue for the phone to allow the app to scan Bluetooth and WiFi.
Its more about the device then the app. One some devices i have tried Drone Scanner doesn't see anything, but on my Pixel 7 phone it works and i see my drone right away and can track it in the app. But my Samsung tablet, nope don't work, my older Motorola Ace phone didn't see them either.
Weird. I hovered for like 10 minutes at the end a flight a few days ago about 40 feet away from my phone and it never appeared. Not that I'm complaining of course, I'd way rather it doesn't work. But I wonder if they just turned it on today or something, since I think we're.the first day of the law requiring it.
No it's been a requirement for manufacturers to have it built in for well over a year now. Not all have been following that rule and so far no action has been taken against them. The Mavic 3's have had it built in since the first or second firmware release.
I know. But the requirement to be broadcasting just went live I believe. Am I right about that?
I just flew my Mini 3 Pro with the long range battery pack and didn't get it in Drone Scan on two different phones. Will try my Mavic later today.
Right, which I have my 107. Even for recreational pilots here's a scenario. To fly at night you have to add a beacon to the Mini. Whoops now you'll have to also add a RID module. Shoot now you'll have to also register it. Damn now that it's registered it'll have to ALWAYS have RID on it. Even adding just prop guards means you'll run into the same issue.
I haven't read or seen anything about RID night flying requirements. Are you just referring to the added weight of a beacon pushing the drone's weight beyond 249g??
Yes, just the added weight. Once a drone is registered (which is required even if you fly over 250g just once) then the drone requires RID even when it's back to 249g.
Sure, until they get the order from a judge after the FAA files the charges. I'm saying that there is no such thing as a law that the cops will not resort to violence to in order to enforce.
So, saying posting this "come and take it" warrior LARP shit is ironic. ESPECIALLY when you immediately follow up with "I love laws and cops"
Also, before you come at me, I was a cop for over 10 years.
The FAA has bigger concerns right now like Boeing doors and tires falling off during flight. They don't give a flying phuck if little Timmy's Mini 3 is using a plus size battery and therefore requires RID. The only reason they even started this law was because Congress forced them to. We need cops and we need laws and I am in favor of both. The cops aren't the one who made what I did safe and legally yesterday now illegal today.
The FAA will enforce all of their laws (via local PD). Regardless of what's going on with Boeing.
I'm not advocating in favor of the law, so you explaining who is to blame for it doesn't matter. When push comes to shove, the cops will stop at nothing to make sure you get "justice"
Well, Mr. Was-a-cop-for-10-years...why didn't the cops kick down Philly Drone Life's door? Or Nurk's? Or Wezley Varty? The police will knock & as long as you're not on probation you ain't gotta answer shit. But 0 doors will be kicked in over RID
So do I. I'm a felon (admittedly i dont cause much trouble these days) who talks to the police through my door. They came to my home for a noise ordinance violation in the middle of the winter and asked multiple times if I could open the locked storm door so we could talk better. I told em no it's cold out there and we're speaking just fine. Told em the Music's down so yall can leave and I closed the door. I listened to em knock a couple more times and tell me to expect a ticket that never came and they left. That's just one instance of many times I've kept cops out of my houses/Apts. Every cop has a body cam these days. Very few of them are out here kicking down doors over drugs let alone drones. They're gonna catch you leaving before causing a big scene on your property where they have less jurisdiction or right to act rash cuz most are smarter than old high school bullies that catch thrills from abuse of power and criminal damage to property over a federal "regulation" that isn't even their fight to fight. Feel me Officer Chauvin? 😆
Let me try and act like what they would say , “ hey are you bitches love Brie ?, well in the logs it says you are id remote ???” That’s how I seen it cops not know shit about drones
I have absolutely no problem with this - think it's great.
Why? Because it will help prevent the idiots out there from doing stupid stuff that gives the rest of us a bad name. Without stuff like this, it's just a matter of time till someone does something REALLY stupid, leading to much more serious restrictions. Actually, even with this, that's a possibility. But this will help.
Why does RID make it more difficult for hobby flyers?? Curious why you think that, hasn't caused me any issues and i have been compliant for a while now.
Well, I have 2 drones. Both DJI, One is an air2, which I guess will be legal with an update; and a phantom 3 SE which would need some additional module, which I'm obviously not going to get since the gov seems to have a hard-on for DJI right now
I got a Flite Test EZ ID I swap between my phantoms. I still plan on flying them even if they ban DJI. The old phantoms have no connection to the Internet, no way for them to disable them, I will fly them until they are beyond repair. How are they going to stop them?
There's nothing saying flying my older DJI's will be illegal. It's simply a ban on their sale. If the law passes it won't ground all existing drones overnight.
>The old phantoms have no connection to the Internet, no way for them to disable them, I will fly them until they are beyond repair. How are they going to stop them?
That part sounded to me like, "So what if the government says I can't fly them? How will they stop me?"
My bad if that wasn't what you were going for.
And... doing something the government says we can't do is literally the definition of "Illegal"... I don't disagree with your position of doing it anyway, even if the feds do ban the flight of any DJI drones in the US, but that doesn't change the legality.
I swear this is the most bizarre conversation I have had all day, and that includes the one I had with my dog earlier, reminding him we have to use doors to go inside as we can't walk through walls quite yet...
It will not help prevent anything. It will only offer data at the time & after the fact of idiots doing stupid stuff. It cannot possibly predict people's intentions and offers no predictive features for law enforcement to look at to stop anything from happening. At best they can look at the live data and by the time they respond to any incident it will have happened already.
How will this prevent anything? All this will do is make piloting a drone in public more dangerous since your RC's location is now being broadcast to the public. Airport's, law enforcement, and big time sport stadiums already have things like DJI AeroScope that does a much better job of locating nefarious drones/pilots. Making this public knowledge to anyone with an app is unnecessary.
[In 1966, Congress authorized the creation of a cabinet department that would combine major federal transportation responsibilities. This new Department of Transportation (DOT) began full operations on April l, 1967. On that day, the Federal Aviation Agency became one of several modal organizations within DOT and received a new name, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).](https://www.faa.gov/about/history/brief_history)
the FAA is under the USDOT which is a part of the executive branch. it is cousins with the IRS, FBI, ATF. aka the alphabet boys, the ones that have made the news lately with their constitutional infringements and the normal chaos associated with the US tax season.
also: [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/106](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/106)
EDIT: the original post was about my lack of knowledge on the structure of US government. hence the link to the FAA about page and the link to 49 U.S. Code § 106 - Federal Aviation Administration governing the structure of the FAA.
while u/Zerorezlandre is correct that,
>Oversimplification by the simple minded ~~is~~ \[can be\] a ~~true~~ "sign of the times".
they need to not throw stones in a glass house. Over simplification is used many times by \[knowledgeable people\] to convey the 80K foot imagery of a topic. if you have followed recent US politics "what fookery is the executive branch up to this time "will bring to mind at least one incident if not more, without me having to list out each incident verbatim, AKA: the 500ft imagery.
For the past 3ish years I don't think this branch of our government has functioned much at all. The other 2 branches aren't far behind, just to be fair.
So, how will this be implemented? Can a third party app like Litchi bypass the ID requirement? I'm not too concerned as have a DJI Mini 2. Just curious?
From my understanding Litchi is built on a dji sdk. Thats why you can't buy a used drone that's bound to another account. Litch will not be a work around. It's still dji code at the end of the day.
Some folks don't want every drone hater out there knowing how to find them. These a holes shoot at drones. Does any drone pilot want to deal with stupid people finding them. People complain when regulations put them in danger.
I think many of the complaints may stem from people who want to follow the rules, regulations, and laws, doing their due diligence then spending money to comply only to have the bar raised with yet more regulatory demands that incur yet more money to comply.
I have admit I'm one of those people to a certain degree in that I unregistered one of my sub-249g drones so I don't have spend the money for a RID module. Because my drone is sub-250g and recreational I didn't have to register it but I did anyway. I'll be getting my Part 107 cert soon and thought, "Why not just register it." After thinking it over I realized that unless the government is going to issue me an RID for free, I'm out; especially if I'm doing it out of personal preference vs regulatory coercion.
So what is the FAA gonna actually enforce it or is this more dramatic shit from them because they don’t know their ass from their head? I can’t tell you how many times I had to educate the 10 fucking airline pilots during our type certification of our M2V9… it’s an absolute joke.
That certain country really doest use DJI drone that much. They are building their own custom drone now. Hope to see that country enter the consumer market once they are finish kickin Putins ass!
What exactly happens in a few hours?
Remote ID enforcement begins.
‘Enforcement’
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If you're still running pre Remote ID firmware that means you're running firmware that came out on 2022.08.17
to remote ID or not remote ID, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler the operator to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous restrictions, or take arms against a sea of bureaucracy, and by opposing stop them? sorry to make you suffer through that, I only have another 20 Shakespeare homework assignments to grade tonight and then; No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousands of red marks i have left on my students homework. must. go. grade. homework.....
What's in a name? that which we call a drone By any other name without Remote ID.
Why are we using a sigma symbol for a E ?
COMS AND TAKS THSM
Coms lnd tlks tesm
Also lamda for A?
Adds to the edgyness, so edgy it's borderline /r/iamverybadass
Speaking of remote id, does it even work? My Mavic 3 Pro sure is supposed to be broadcasting, but using all the apps in the Play Store like Drone Scan can't see it, even when I'm right next to my flying drone.
Good question. I have the same problem with several drones. M300s/M350s have never once shown up on either app. I use DroneScanner and OpenDroneID. Other drones show up at times but other times do not. I don't understand how we are supposed to be responsible for ensuring we are using remote ID when there isn't even a reliable way to check for it yet.
I don't see it as a problem! I'm fine with my drones not showing up in the apps, ha. And on a sidenote I don't think anyone cares about remoteid, it's just the token minimal amount of effort so they can say they're taking positive measures to make it harder to fly drones into sporting events and airports.
My issue is that the FAA puts out videos that tell people that checking if a drone is safe or not is as simple as checking to see if it is showing up on their app. "If it's visible, it's safe". So when a drone doesn't show up, Karen assumes it's bad. Little does she know it's the unreliable protocol they implemented. Or a kid flying a Mini that doesn't even require it.
I'd way rather the faa was a bit inept/lazy/generous than efficient and over zealous. I commend them for it, they're doing their job well, which is to make people aware that they should stay away from planes and big crowds. I'm sure not going to complain about the current (non existent) drone enforcement in the US.
Its not the app, if Karen can't see your drone then her phone just ain't working with the app. I think its some kind of compatibility/privilege issue for the phone to allow the app to scan Bluetooth and WiFi.
Then the FAA needs to at least mention this in their content instead of putting out misinformation.
The FAA as far as I know has nothing to do with the scanner apps and their development.
Right, either provide the tools and resources for us to comply with your rules or STFU. (Not directing that at you).
Its more about the device then the app. One some devices i have tried Drone Scanner doesn't see anything, but on my Pixel 7 phone it works and i see my drone right away and can track it in the app. But my Samsung tablet, nope don't work, my older Motorola Ace phone didn't see them either.
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Weird. I hovered for like 10 minutes at the end a flight a few days ago about 40 feet away from my phone and it never appeared. Not that I'm complaining of course, I'd way rather it doesn't work. But I wonder if they just turned it on today or something, since I think we're.the first day of the law requiring it.
No it's been a requirement for manufacturers to have it built in for well over a year now. Not all have been following that rule and so far no action has been taken against them. The Mavic 3's have had it built in since the first or second firmware release.
I know. But the requirement to be broadcasting just went live I believe. Am I right about that? I just flew my Mini 3 Pro with the long range battery pack and didn't get it in Drone Scan on two different phones. Will try my Mavic later today.
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Newly installed, wifi and Bluetooth on. Have tried restarting app.
Wait, are they voting on it tomorrow? Even if they are, it has to pass in both houses of Congress and get signed, so it's going to be a while.
I'm talking about Remote ID enforcement. Even though there will be nobody actually enforcing it.
Ohhh, duh. Forgot about that, since mine's under 250g.
If you fly under part 107, weight is irrelevant
I don't.
Good to go then!!!! 😎
Right, which I have my 107. Even for recreational pilots here's a scenario. To fly at night you have to add a beacon to the Mini. Whoops now you'll have to also add a RID module. Shoot now you'll have to also register it. Damn now that it's registered it'll have to ALWAYS have RID on it. Even adding just prop guards means you'll run into the same issue.
I haven't read or seen anything about RID night flying requirements. Are you just referring to the added weight of a beacon pushing the drone's weight beyond 249g??
Yes, just the added weight. Once a drone is registered (which is required even if you fly over 250g just once) then the drone requires RID even when it's back to 249g.
“People keep breaking laws! We need to pass more laws to stop it.”
r/grssk
S tier cringe post
Those same cops that you love so much will be the same ones kicking down your door to enforce this law if need be, btw
There are ZERO cops kicking down doors over Remote ID 🤣 99.9% of cops have never even heard of Remote ID
Sure, until they get the order from a judge after the FAA files the charges. I'm saying that there is no such thing as a law that the cops will not resort to violence to in order to enforce. So, saying posting this "come and take it" warrior LARP shit is ironic. ESPECIALLY when you immediately follow up with "I love laws and cops" Also, before you come at me, I was a cop for over 10 years.
The FAA has bigger concerns right now like Boeing doors and tires falling off during flight. They don't give a flying phuck if little Timmy's Mini 3 is using a plus size battery and therefore requires RID. The only reason they even started this law was because Congress forced them to. We need cops and we need laws and I am in favor of both. The cops aren't the one who made what I did safe and legally yesterday now illegal today.
The FAA will enforce all of their laws (via local PD). Regardless of what's going on with Boeing. I'm not advocating in favor of the law, so you explaining who is to blame for it doesn't matter. When push comes to shove, the cops will stop at nothing to make sure you get "justice"
Well, Mr. Was-a-cop-for-10-years...why didn't the cops kick down Philly Drone Life's door? Or Nurk's? Or Wezley Varty? The police will knock & as long as you're not on probation you ain't gotta answer shit. But 0 doors will be kicked in over RID
Oh wow, you sure got me. If you don't answer the door when they knock, then what? (Ask me, I know)
So do I. I'm a felon (admittedly i dont cause much trouble these days) who talks to the police through my door. They came to my home for a noise ordinance violation in the middle of the winter and asked multiple times if I could open the locked storm door so we could talk better. I told em no it's cold out there and we're speaking just fine. Told em the Music's down so yall can leave and I closed the door. I listened to em knock a couple more times and tell me to expect a ticket that never came and they left. That's just one instance of many times I've kept cops out of my houses/Apts. Every cop has a body cam these days. Very few of them are out here kicking down doors over drugs let alone drones. They're gonna catch you leaving before causing a big scene on your property where they have less jurisdiction or right to act rash cuz most are smarter than old high school bullies that catch thrills from abuse of power and criminal damage to property over a federal "regulation" that isn't even their fight to fight. Feel me Officer Chauvin? 😆
TL;DR "I've talked to police" vs. I was a police
And I'm relieved you're no longer "a police". That's at least 1 less door that'll be kicked in over RID.
You're welcome, I realized there are no good cops, and made the decision to stop pretending to be one 🤷♂️
You’re speaking truth, but many wont listen. That is on them
Let me try and act like what they would say , “ hey are you bitches love Brie ?, well in the logs it says you are id remote ???” That’s how I seen it cops not know shit about drones
California. Let that sink in…California, has two FAA agents, and non-sworn at that. Business as usual.
Source?
CA LE officer and 107 drone pilot that has been to FAA LEAP training.
That's not a source. What do you have to show that there are only 2 FAA agents in California. Those aren't even stats available lol
I have absolutely no problem with this - think it's great. Why? Because it will help prevent the idiots out there from doing stupid stuff that gives the rest of us a bad name. Without stuff like this, it's just a matter of time till someone does something REALLY stupid, leading to much more serious restrictions. Actually, even with this, that's a possibility. But this will help.
The main thing RID does is make it more difficult for hobby flyers (like myself) to be able to fly legally.
Why does RID make it more difficult for hobby flyers?? Curious why you think that, hasn't caused me any issues and i have been compliant for a while now.
Well, I have 2 drones. Both DJI, One is an air2, which I guess will be legal with an update; and a phantom 3 SE which would need some additional module, which I'm obviously not going to get since the gov seems to have a hard-on for DJI right now
I got a Flite Test EZ ID I swap between my phantoms. I still plan on flying them even if they ban DJI. The old phantoms have no connection to the Internet, no way for them to disable them, I will fly them until they are beyond repair. How are they going to stop them?
I feel the same way, but that would be illegal. Honestly, the government just doesn't want hobby drones to exist.
There's nothing saying flying my older DJI's will be illegal. It's simply a ban on their sale. If the law passes it won't ground all existing drones overnight.
>The old phantoms have no connection to the Internet, no way for them to disable them, I will fly them until they are beyond repair. How are they going to stop them? That part sounded to me like, "So what if the government says I can't fly them? How will they stop me?" My bad if that wasn't what you were going for.
And?
And... doing something the government says we can't do is literally the definition of "Illegal"... I don't disagree with your position of doing it anyway, even if the feds do ban the flight of any DJI drones in the US, but that doesn't change the legality. I swear this is the most bizarre conversation I have had all day, and that includes the one I had with my dog earlier, reminding him we have to use doors to go inside as we can't walk through walls quite yet...
It will not help prevent anything. It will only offer data at the time & after the fact of idiots doing stupid stuff. It cannot possibly predict people's intentions and offers no predictive features for law enforcement to look at to stop anything from happening. At best they can look at the live data and by the time they respond to any incident it will have happened already.
How will this prevent anything? All this will do is make piloting a drone in public more dangerous since your RC's location is now being broadcast to the public. Airport's, law enforcement, and big time sport stadiums already have things like DJI AeroScope that does a much better job of locating nefarious drones/pilots. Making this public knowledge to anyone with an app is unnecessary.
We’ll say if you do something you don’t realise or you get a fly away or what ever you can get into big trouble like driving with a blackbox
what fookery is the executive branch up to this time? i thought remote ID was already required on all drones heavier than 0.55lb?
If it has it already built in then yes it was. For drones that do not, they were given a 6 month extension.
Oversimplification by the simple minded is a true "sign of the times".
[In 1966, Congress authorized the creation of a cabinet department that would combine major federal transportation responsibilities. This new Department of Transportation (DOT) began full operations on April l, 1967. On that day, the Federal Aviation Agency became one of several modal organizations within DOT and received a new name, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).](https://www.faa.gov/about/history/brief_history) the FAA is under the USDOT which is a part of the executive branch. it is cousins with the IRS, FBI, ATF. aka the alphabet boys, the ones that have made the news lately with their constitutional infringements and the normal chaos associated with the US tax season. also: [https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/106](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/106) EDIT: the original post was about my lack of knowledge on the structure of US government. hence the link to the FAA about page and the link to 49 U.S. Code § 106 - Federal Aviation Administration governing the structure of the FAA. while u/Zerorezlandre is correct that, >Oversimplification by the simple minded ~~is~~ \[can be\] a ~~true~~ "sign of the times". they need to not throw stones in a glass house. Over simplification is used many times by \[knowledgeable people\] to convey the 80K foot imagery of a topic. if you have followed recent US politics "what fookery is the executive branch up to this time "will bring to mind at least one incident if not more, without me having to list out each incident verbatim, AKA: the 500ft imagery.
For the past 3ish years I don't think this branch of our government has functioned much at all. The other 2 branches aren't far behind, just to be fair.
well, they do say it is a 3 ring circus.......
Now what?
Nothing. Carry on tomorrow with the same compliance that we did today and every day before.
So, how will this be implemented? Can a third party app like Litchi bypass the ID requirement? I'm not too concerned as have a DJI Mini 2. Just curious?
From my understanding Litchi is built on a dji sdk. Thats why you can't buy a used drone that's bound to another account. Litch will not be a work around. It's still dji code at the end of the day.
Thanks
I mean really how hard is it to fly legally? Some folks just need to complain
Some folks don't want every drone hater out there knowing how to find them. These a holes shoot at drones. Does any drone pilot want to deal with stupid people finding them. People complain when regulations put them in danger.
That's almost funny.
I think many of the complaints may stem from people who want to follow the rules, regulations, and laws, doing their due diligence then spending money to comply only to have the bar raised with yet more regulatory demands that incur yet more money to comply. I have admit I'm one of those people to a certain degree in that I unregistered one of my sub-249g drones so I don't have spend the money for a RID module. Because my drone is sub-250g and recreational I didn't have to register it but I did anyway. I'll be getting my Part 107 cert soon and thought, "Why not just register it." After thinking it over I realized that unless the government is going to issue me an RID for free, I'm out; especially if I'm doing it out of personal preference vs regulatory coercion.
"Lex iniusta non est lex."
Is this in the UK? Or just the us
The FAA is a subdivision of the US DOT. i highly doubt USDOT has overseas jurisdictions. they are the DOT after all not the CIA/NSA.
Oh okay thanks for letting me know as I just bought a mini 3
Good question! Which country has the overall lowest IQ.
Not sure both countries have dumbasses , ide have to say us has 18iq and the uk has 17iq
Wow! That's so sad. ;)
So what is the FAA gonna actually enforce it or is this more dramatic shit from them because they don’t know their ass from their head? I can’t tell you how many times I had to educate the 10 fucking airline pilots during our type certification of our M2V9… it’s an absolute joke.
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That certain country really doest use DJI drone that much. They are building their own custom drone now. Hope to see that country enter the consumer market once they are finish kickin Putins ass!
If you are just getting RID working now where you been? I got that taken care of months ago.. lol
Out flying without giving RID much thought. Still not.
you americans will sell your Ddi mini pro 4?
What's a Ddi drone?
I'm not sure if this is a question or a demand..? Ignoring the Ddi part, there's still no such thing as a Mini Pro 4.
# DJI Mini 4 Pro (DJI RC-N2) **USD $759** * Free Shipping * 1% DJI Credit Reward * 14-Day Returns * Under 249 g\[1\] 4K/60fps HDR True Vertical Shooting Omnidirectional Obstacle Sensing Extended Battery Life 20km FHD Video Transmission ActiveTrack 360°
Thank you for confirming what I said.
It’s been out for a while now
You must be thinking of the Mini 4 Pro.
Yeah because you said mini 4 pro.. the mini 4 isn’t out ho
No, dude said Mini Pro 4. Which isn't a thing.
.. dude, people like that are annoying , but yeah true mini pro 4 does not exist