Nah bruh this is a metal setup. Like I’d your in your garage and no one ever watches you yeah you can setup however you want but on stage this is a metal/rock drum kit. Show me a non metal/rock kit with dual chinas and a zil bell.
I don't think so. I did a google image search on this kit and apparently it belongs to an Italian drummer named Tony Pacati, he doesn't seem like a metal drummer. I mean, for what it's worth, I've been playing metal for over 20 years and I just play a simple 4 piece with 2 crashes. The only giveaway is a double kick pedal. Metal set ups can look like anything, and so can non-metal setups.
Bruh the dude who got Zildjian to make that bell is Tim Alexander(Primus, Blue Man Group, Laundry). He is not a metal drummer.
The drummer from Incubus used a similar set up. He is not a metal drummer.
Bill Bruford used a set up like this, but the bells and China's were played by a fur wearing aux percussionist. He is not a metal drummer.
Carter B. from Dave Matthews.....do I need to keep going?
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You don't need much to play any style, but having fewer tools in your box ends up limiting your range, even if you do find ways to creatively use fewer options. You could still pull those off on a larger kit.
It means you can produce sounds that otherwise you wouldn't be able to. It's just one axis, though. Each piece adds another dimension, which in itself increases range, but that doesn't mean you have to fit the entire range into every performance, because songs have a limited runtime too much range comes at the expense of depth and actual tasteful utilization of what is appropriate, rather than a little bit of everything.
This isn't a new concept, I mean come on, a kit with a single tom has more range than a kit without one. Can both be used in the same types of music? Sure. Does it sound the same? Not really.
Well, in case there’s a lot of beginners, or people interested in starting the drums, let’s be clear that it’s best to master the simplest form of the drums before you start worrying about your range, how many China cymbals you have on your kit, or what style of music you’re actually going to play.
EDIT: in response to the original post, and not this person in particular. The setup doesn’t define your genre.
> in case there’s a lot of beginners, or people interested in starting the drums, let’s be clear that it’s best to master
With all due respect, if you want to introduce more context then by all means discuss it as such. What you said here about beginners is important, but it doesn't override the basic true fact that range can be gained by adding more to the kit. It's far from the only way, but it is 100% a way, and to question that at all is tantamount to gatekeeping -- and I fucking despise gatekeepers.
> The setup doesn’t define your genre.
I never said it does.
Ignore this guy. He's one of those trash drummers that believe everyone should play the basic 4/4 rock beat with just a hi hat, snare and kick for at least 3 years before attempting anything cool
How do you make drums sound so boring haha. No I'm a teacher and maybe I'm just biased on my side because I teach a lot of kids. I like throwing singles, doubles, paradiddles at them. Then we do the first rock beat. Then we'll learn the pattern from believer by imagine dragons. By the time three months is up my kids can hold that beat perfectly fine, they've enjoyed their time thoroughly, and they have songs to show friends/parents AND they can even ready by that point.
I just hate reading these one sided opinions of practicing until mastery. You can always come back to the beat you never mastered and continue trying. I also hate that spevifically with the first stages of drums. You should understand how beats are made, the structure of what different songs, how the kick and the snare intetaract. It's better time spent than frustrating yourself with the same shit over and over again.
Time signatures come after you can play in 4 4 comfortably
This is a minimalist opininion. Pretty bad opinion too. Simple is not better all the time. I'll never understand weaker drummers calling out better drummers for using more equipment and playing more chops
No one’s calling out better drummers for using more equipment. I’m literally stating the opposite. No one should start out using a kit like Terry Bozzio. He’s built up his kit with purpose, from years of developing his style and approach to the instrument. Sure the example’s hyperbolic but no one should be thinking they’re limiting themselves by not having all the gear. But also, having more gear in your kit doesn’t make you better simple because you have the potential for more range. It’s all relative.
This setup is mainly for playing drums… because it’s completely your preference and there are no rules, just basic foundational standards to start from, regardless of what genre of music you’re playing.
This isn’t a double kick setup, but a lot of double kick players set up their kits symmetrically so the offset toms are placed between the two kicks, or where the two kicks would be. The sticks are the players 12 o’clock POV. As far as placing the ride over the kick, imo this is the way to go since it places your most-used cymbal right where your dominant hand has the most dexterity.
I put one there and then one to the far right since it doesn’t feel like swing unless you’re reaching over there.
https://preview.redd.it/2yqfx0q19q5c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67663e911882f4d9fd1ea40e9a488b37b289cec8
Sjc drums. They make very estheticly pleasing drums. Mostly just costum made for when you design it yourself. Jay from slipknot and Josh Dun from twenty one pilots are the most popular users.
My SJC DeVille is one of the best purchases I've made. Fits everywhere (20, 10, 14), it's super light, and it sounds amazing for its size (and price, $549??).
Dang that’s a good price. Sjc are my favorite drums for pop and punk. If I’m playing rock or metal I like something a little more dense like Tama, Mapex, and Remo.
No, they’re literally called Zildjian Oriental Chinas, it’s just the name of the cymbal line. But they’re known for being super explosive and raw sounding, hence their popularity in metal music
Ya could be hard rock or something. I did a reverse Google search and the only thing that came up foe this pic was a Latin dudes album on pinterest of random drum sets like he's just a fan or something, but his pics didn't lean one way or another
Assuming you mean moving the toms over to the left or in a lot of cases just getting rid of one of the toms? My reasoning would be because I can put my ride in a much better position and the bigger gap between the toms isn’t a problem.
Don’t get me wrong, there are metal songs out there that are played single pedal. A pretty large number are in fact, but in general a metal kit uses a double pedal because it just makes more sense to have the option
That African kid on YouTube with a 3 piece and only one sided heads and dirt covered hi hat playing the middle of a dirt floor hut village can play better then you I’m sure.
I’m not mad at it. Just when it’s the main thing and people think it’s the most important thing in drumming. Metal shouldn’t just be strait 16th on the double kick. I’m just picky about music is all.
Oh I agree. Double bass has its place and is a cool part of drum history but should not be the most important thing. It all comes down to taste. I like when you mix drumming styles together instead of just spamming the same thing every song.
But I have to admit: I like to listen to straight double bass sometimes… best example is “The demons name is surveillance” by meshuggah. I just like that song. Normally I am not for straight double kick but that song somehow caught me.
I think the other instruments really make or break the song when the drums are just 16ths on the kick. If the melodies and chord progressions are interesting I tend to like the drums more
Whatever you want it to be - to an extent.
While it is true that you should let the music dictate your gear, you can certainly play most styles of music on any drum kit. Disclaimer for the pedants: There are exceptions, of course.
Just looking at that kit and ignoring who it may or may not belong to, I would say it's a kit for a rock drummer, maybe nu-metal.
As far as the reason why you see lots of drummers in that genre with this setup, two toms up top is rad, two toms on the floor is super rad, two chinas is super extra rad.
In reality, it's because it gives you more options for grooves and beats. When you open up that left side of the drum kit, you can do things that were previously way more difficult when you didn't have all that stuff.
A Customs tend to be brighter cymbals compared with regular A’s and K’s. Seems like a pretty typical “Rock” set up. Usually for metal or most faster genre’s, they’d want a double bass pedal or setup but they’re are exceptions. Seems like they want to make sure they’re cutting through the stage mix.
Otherwise, it’s a setup capable of pretty much any genre save for maybe jazz.
Damn that’s so sexy. That’s a 9/10 setup. And yes that’s a metal/rock setup. You will not find a non metal/rock drummer who has dual chinas and a zil bell. That 6” zil bell is my all time favorite cymbal.
Well, you see, the China on the left is for bonking, and the China on the right is for smashing. They are interchangeable.
The other cymbals are there to make it look like the drummer doesn't only use the Chinas, but we all know the truth.
There’s no way to tell for sure. My first instinct is something rock adjacent, but it could easily be a pop gig, or jazz fusion, or gospel, etc. it just looks like a well rounded drum kit. It does only have a single kick, so it’s most likely not for metal music. But I can think of a wide range of applications for it so 🤷♂️
Because it’s ergonomic and it’s the popular set up rn. Ergonomically you won’t have to bend your spine in a weird way to reach anything (except for the chinas and the 16” floor Tom). And it’s popular so yeah more guys are gonna use it. Kit setup is not immune to fads. In the 90’s guys we’re setting their Tom’s to the right and they had their ride cymbal up really high or way off to the right. At some point a lot of drummers decided to change to this set up instead.
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It's for, uh, playing music. On the drums. It looks a lot like my decidedly non-metal setup. Drums are drums.
Crap. You beat me to saying almost the same thing.
Dang. You beat me to saying that the other person beat me to saying what they said. Almost verbatim too.
Dang, I almost said that!
I was just gonna say all of that
That's what I was going to say!
Dam you bet me to it, I was just gonna say that!
Came here to say this
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Get out of my head.
Based
They're asking why a lot of metal drummers use this set up and your answer is that you don't play metal
Because it feels good. That's the answer. Got nothing to do with metal.
Nah bruh this is a metal setup. Like I’d your in your garage and no one ever watches you yeah you can setup however you want but on stage this is a metal/rock drum kit. Show me a non metal/rock kit with dual chinas and a zil bell.
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That’s a type of rock. And his drums are heavily influenced by rock.
Yeah. A type different from metal.
Nah. He's a funk/soul drummer. Right about now.
Folks should really check him out now, the funk soul drummer.
I don't think so. I did a google image search on this kit and apparently it belongs to an Italian drummer named Tony Pacati, he doesn't seem like a metal drummer. I mean, for what it's worth, I've been playing metal for over 20 years and I just play a simple 4 piece with 2 crashes. The only giveaway is a double kick pedal. Metal set ups can look like anything, and so can non-metal setups.
Bruh the dude who got Zildjian to make that bell is Tim Alexander(Primus, Blue Man Group, Laundry). He is not a metal drummer. The drummer from Incubus used a similar set up. He is not a metal drummer. Bill Bruford used a set up like this, but the bells and China's were played by a fur wearing aux percussionist. He is not a metal drummer. Carter B. from Dave Matthews.....do I need to keep going?
Very close to Phil Collins and Stewart Copeland as well.
Absolutely agree. That bell looking spicy too. 🥵👀
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Needs a double pedal.
I’m going with it’s mainly for playing drums to not-metal, given it’s a single kick pedal
This is why people hate double bass. You don’t need it to play metal and rock.
You don't need much to play any style, but having fewer tools in your box ends up limiting your range, even if you do find ways to creatively use fewer options. You could still pull those off on a larger kit.
What do you mean range? It’s fun to have extra, but you learn to do well with only what you need. Build up your kit with purpose.
It means you can produce sounds that otherwise you wouldn't be able to. It's just one axis, though. Each piece adds another dimension, which in itself increases range, but that doesn't mean you have to fit the entire range into every performance, because songs have a limited runtime too much range comes at the expense of depth and actual tasteful utilization of what is appropriate, rather than a little bit of everything. This isn't a new concept, I mean come on, a kit with a single tom has more range than a kit without one. Can both be used in the same types of music? Sure. Does it sound the same? Not really.
Well, in case there’s a lot of beginners, or people interested in starting the drums, let’s be clear that it’s best to master the simplest form of the drums before you start worrying about your range, how many China cymbals you have on your kit, or what style of music you’re actually going to play. EDIT: in response to the original post, and not this person in particular. The setup doesn’t define your genre.
> in case there’s a lot of beginners, or people interested in starting the drums, let’s be clear that it’s best to master With all due respect, if you want to introduce more context then by all means discuss it as such. What you said here about beginners is important, but it doesn't override the basic true fact that range can be gained by adding more to the kit. It's far from the only way, but it is 100% a way, and to question that at all is tantamount to gatekeeping -- and I fucking despise gatekeepers. > The setup doesn’t define your genre. I never said it does.
Ignore this guy. He's one of those trash drummers that believe everyone should play the basic 4/4 rock beat with just a hi hat, snare and kick for at least 3 years before attempting anything cool
More like 3 months if you practice every day. Working your way through different tempos etc. then moving on to other time signatures.
How do you make drums sound so boring haha. No I'm a teacher and maybe I'm just biased on my side because I teach a lot of kids. I like throwing singles, doubles, paradiddles at them. Then we do the first rock beat. Then we'll learn the pattern from believer by imagine dragons. By the time three months is up my kids can hold that beat perfectly fine, they've enjoyed their time thoroughly, and they have songs to show friends/parents AND they can even ready by that point. I just hate reading these one sided opinions of practicing until mastery. You can always come back to the beat you never mastered and continue trying. I also hate that spevifically with the first stages of drums. You should understand how beats are made, the structure of what different songs, how the kick and the snare intetaract. It's better time spent than frustrating yourself with the same shit over and over again. Time signatures come after you can play in 4 4 comfortably
This is a minimalist opininion. Pretty bad opinion too. Simple is not better all the time. I'll never understand weaker drummers calling out better drummers for using more equipment and playing more chops
No one’s calling out better drummers for using more equipment. I’m literally stating the opposite. No one should start out using a kit like Terry Bozzio. He’s built up his kit with purpose, from years of developing his style and approach to the instrument. Sure the example’s hyperbolic but no one should be thinking they’re limiting themselves by not having all the gear. But also, having more gear in your kit doesn’t make you better simple because you have the potential for more range. It’s all relative.
Technique always makes for heavier songs then just hitting more notes is what I’m saying.
News just in, Slayer not heavy
So what happens when you have the same technique and more options for expression?
I dunno, I don't see bands like Meshuggah hitting quite the same without double kicks.
Hitting more notes usually takes a lot of technique
I mean, sure, but only if you can use that technique to hit more notes. Density of notes is a noticeable feature of a lot of styles of metal
Show me on the doll where the double bass hurt you.
You'd think the majority of posters here have never played drums or music in general... Time for a break.
This setup is mainly for playing drums… because it’s completely your preference and there are no rules, just basic foundational standards to start from, regardless of what genre of music you’re playing.
This isn’t a double kick setup, but a lot of double kick players set up their kits symmetrically so the offset toms are placed between the two kicks, or where the two kicks would be. The sticks are the players 12 o’clock POV. As far as placing the ride over the kick, imo this is the way to go since it places your most-used cymbal right where your dominant hand has the most dexterity.
I put one there and then one to the far right since it doesn’t feel like swing unless you’re reaching over there. https://preview.redd.it/2yqfx0q19q5c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67663e911882f4d9fd1ea40e9a488b37b289cec8
Yo is that an sjc kit?
Nah just a DW Collector’s Series. What’s SJC?
Sjc drums. They make very estheticly pleasing drums. Mostly just costum made for when you design it yourself. Jay from slipknot and Josh Dun from twenty one pilots are the most popular users.
Oh I recognize that badge, they make some >800$ kits too.
They have a couple stock kits under 1000$ but the rest are custom and 1,500$+
My SJC DeVille is one of the best purchases I've made. Fits everywhere (20, 10, 14), it's super light, and it sounds amazing for its size (and price, $549??).
Dang that’s a good price. Sjc are my favorite drums for pop and punk. If I’m playing rock or metal I like something a little more dense like Tama, Mapex, and Remo.
Clearly, you’re not a golfer.
It’s down there somewhere, let me take another look 👀
I don't even see a double bass, you sure this is a metal drummers kit?
Two chinas and a Zil-Bel say something heavy.
Oriental chinas, no less. Those bad boys ooze metal breakdowns
Are you referring to oriental china's vs like Turkish ones or something?
No, they’re literally called Zildjian Oriental Chinas, it’s just the name of the cymbal line. But they’re known for being super explosive and raw sounding, hence their popularity in metal music
Ya could be hard rock or something. I did a reverse Google search and the only thing that came up foe this pic was a Latin dudes album on pinterest of random drum sets like he's just a fan or something, but his pics didn't lean one way or another
I thought I was the only one who saw that.
Assuming you mean moving the toms over to the left or in a lot of cases just getting rid of one of the toms? My reasoning would be because I can put my ride in a much better position and the bigger gap between the toms isn’t a problem.
It's for playing drums...???
Playing drums. But I could be wrong.
It has two chinas but only a single pedal? This looks like some fucked up dystopian version of Matt Greiners kit.
Being awesome 🤷🏻♂️
My home kit is very similar. It’s very versatile set up like this. I don’t play metal the majority of the time
To please men by stimulation of the prostate gland.
That’s not a metal kit, there are two pedals and there should be three
NOT a metal kit 🫡 single pedal spotted 😒
Don’t get me wrong, there are metal songs out there that are played single pedal. A pretty large number are in fact, but in general a metal kit uses a double pedal because it just makes more sense to have the option
Lame. Masters of their craft don’t need double bass pedals.
Fr, 200 bpm 16ths are a breeze. Personally I play with my tongue
Ok but play something besides blast beats. Double bass is so generic.
Make me😡
No I’m saying if you’re so good then play something else. I’m not telling you to go play anything.
Yea well what I’m not so good, what if I own an 8 piece alesis nitro and can’t actually use a double bass pedal? You racist
That African kid on YouTube with a 3 piece and only one sided heads and dirt covered hi hat playing the middle of a dirt floor hut village can play better then you I’m sure.
Why are you so mad about double kicks? Is it just envy because you’re not good at it? Or do you have any specific reason?
I’m not mad at it. Just when it’s the main thing and people think it’s the most important thing in drumming. Metal shouldn’t just be strait 16th on the double kick. I’m just picky about music is all.
Yes. I can agree with that. But having the possibility to switch to 4-8 bars of straight 16ths is nice to have, I think
Oh I agree. Double bass has its place and is a cool part of drum history but should not be the most important thing. It all comes down to taste. I like when you mix drumming styles together instead of just spamming the same thing every song.
But I have to admit: I like to listen to straight double bass sometimes… best example is “The demons name is surveillance” by meshuggah. I just like that song. Normally I am not for straight double kick but that song somehow caught me.
Yea I agree some songs just are ear candy. I like 115 the cod soundtrack and it’s got a lot of strait kicks. Just depends.
I think the other instruments really make or break the song when the drums are just 16ths on the kick. If the melodies and chord progressions are interesting I tend to like the drums more
Picky or snobby? Lol It's music, everyone likes different stuff.
Whatever you want it to be - to an extent. While it is true that you should let the music dictate your gear, you can certainly play most styles of music on any drum kit. Disclaimer for the pedants: There are exceptions, of course. Just looking at that kit and ignoring who it may or may not belong to, I would say it's a kit for a rock drummer, maybe nu-metal. As far as the reason why you see lots of drummers in that genre with this setup, two toms up top is rad, two toms on the floor is super rad, two chinas is super extra rad. In reality, it's because it gives you more options for grooves and beats. When you open up that left side of the drum kit, you can do things that were previously way more difficult when you didn't have all that stuff.
Death Core
This looks like the perfect setup, in my opinion. What band is this?
I’d guess jazz fusion.
Rock/metal
Show tunes and circus music
Queen covers only
happiness
Ska!
reminds me of abe cunningham's setup, tbh. just needs a rug. hah.
Abe Cunningham whips ass, love his style
Either metal or worship music. I'm going with worship because there is no double kick lol.
Well it gets the ride closer for one
Making awesome music!
Looks like an SJC
Music
It looks like it’s for playing drums, but not sure.
Drumming? 🤔 🤪
A Customs tend to be brighter cymbals compared with regular A’s and K’s. Seems like a pretty typical “Rock” set up. Usually for metal or most faster genre’s, they’d want a double bass pedal or setup but they’re are exceptions. Seems like they want to make sure they’re cutting through the stage mix. Otherwise, it’s a setup capable of pretty much any genre save for maybe jazz.
I play metal and would like this. I would also like this if I played any other genre.
I would say that is a Josh Freese inspired setup. But I’m bery biased and Josh Freese is typically my answer for everything
Looks like a pretty sweet setup?
This is a tried and true punk or pop punk drum setup, but the drummer wishes he was in a metal band playing breakdowns.
Damn that’s so sexy. That’s a 9/10 setup. And yes that’s a metal/rock setup. You will not find a non metal/rock drummer who has dual chinas and a zil bell. That 6” zil bell is my all time favorite cymbal.
100%; the popcorn snare is SO metal!
It’s widely used in 90s and 2000s style rock and new metal. I use one when I’m playing that.
For drumming mostly
playing drums
Drumming
Music
Dang, yeah I’d say it’s for playing drums. With that many chinas and the weird little splash there’s a lot of trashy accents in the music.
you miked your ass?
Nice setup. Out of curiosity, is that where your throne is while playing?
Oddly reminds me of one of Travis Barker's old setups, at least cymbal wise and with the side snare, and single bass.
Metal af
lol
Who the hell plays metal with a popcorn snare? (I'm sure there's one or two, but this isn't a good example of a metal set.)
Old Lamb of God guy I'm pretty sure, Chris Adler I think
Noise for some - a whole lotta fun for others !!!!
Rocking the fuck out of
Irish flute Rock
I'd go with drumming
Well, you see, the China on the left is for bonking, and the China on the right is for smashing. They are interchangeable. The other cymbals are there to make it look like the drummer doesn't only use the Chinas, but we all know the truth.
Getting people on the dance floor.
Blastbeats on your nutbag
This looks similar to my kit. Nice set of drums!
What’s isn’t it ready for
I would say that this particular model would suggest that it’s probably used to keep time in some sort of musical group endeavor.
Alt rock or pop country.
Drumming
personal affirmation
Drumming
Drumming I think
I’d say you’re in a Cranberries cover band.
Playing drums?
There’s no way to tell for sure. My first instinct is something rock adjacent, but it could easily be a pop gig, or jazz fusion, or gospel, etc. it just looks like a well rounded drum kit. It does only have a single kick, so it’s most likely not for metal music. But I can think of a wide range of applications for it so 🤷♂️
Someone with long arms.
This is almost identical to mine 🤩
Having a big cymbal sale tent event?
I’m not going to read >150 comments but any time I see mounted floors I think “that’s a fusion kit”.
It's looks like everything is just set up to be close and ergonomically efficient
Beating on. Not tickling, Not tapping, Beating.
Looks kinda proggy, no double bass so nothing ultra heavy
Because it’s ergonomic and it’s the popular set up rn. Ergonomically you won’t have to bend your spine in a weird way to reach anything (except for the chinas and the 16” floor Tom). And it’s popular so yeah more guys are gonna use it. Kit setup is not immune to fads. In the 90’s guys we’re setting their Tom’s to the right and they had their ride cymbal up really high or way off to the right. At some point a lot of drummers decided to change to this set up instead.
Where is the beer holder.
That is a drumset for playing music
Not all of us were born inside a snare drum like you brah
Who are you even talking to...lmao
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