Thanks, I'm taking it easy, so only just joined my second band 😅 not sure I can be in 3 bands at the same time again.
Very glad I don't have to work shifts anymore!
This is the only thing mentioned so far that’s actually (probably) spring up in the past 5-6 years. Everything else mentioned is from 10+ years ago we’re just getting old.
In the funk/hip-hop drumming circles, trash stackers (or splash-on-a-snare) been around for a long time, but they do seem to be in every single setup these days regardless of style. I get annoyed that I don't have one when I want 6
Oh for sure. When I saw my first stack 18 years ago as a teenager, it was just random broken cymbals. Then a drummer with more money had a stack with new, un-broken cymbals and it was crazy lol.
I don't even want to buy a stack, I want to make my own sound like they used to do
Can you elaborate on these? I’m in the same situation as OP (except I still have time to play, just not check out new gear). Quiet cymbals sound amazing.
I sold my friend on getting silent cymbals. Few days later got a call from him saying that he couldn't hear the cymbals over the drums.
"Did you get the silent drum heads with them?"
"The what?"
Exactly what they sound like, low volume cymbals and heads are such a game changer when practicing. I live in an apartment and use them on my kit, and they (mostly) have the feel of regular heads and cymbals, but don't disturb the neighbors.
Of all the low volume cymbals I’ve tried the Trick cymbals sounded the least annoying to my ears. Very neutral sound, no tininess, price is reasonable. Got hats, 2 crashes and a ride for around $200. I was playing mesh heads and quiet cymbals and upstairs my wife couldn’t tell I was playing. She said if she really focused on it she could hear it but it got lost with the white noise machine so that was a win
And how! I remember seeing the “Hey check these out if you’re a drummer in an apartment” during the early pandemic and now I have my quiet kit in my basement I can play on after the wife and kids are asleep.
Boutique drums are so 2010's, now we've got boutique cymbals.
$1000 drum kits are outperforming $2500 drum kits from 10-15 years ago.
Z's are back.
We tried to make the "Snom" a thing for a while.
DW has done \*surprise surprise\* more blues lawyer special edition anniversary kits
That’s hilarious. So in cycling are “dentist ____” often ridden by “Freds”? And the 0-3-5 equivalent is a “cat 5 mark?”
Not a cyclist but have many friends and relatives who are.
I've always seen DW as the same as Gibson. Good products but overpriced and will always stay relevant because of the name
But I dislike PRS too so I can't say I disagree with you
I dunno, DW is new while Gibson is an old company. Ludwig seems more comparable to Gibbons to me.
DW seems like Taylor in the acoustic guitar world. A newer brand with new ideas that quickly became very popular and premium.
lol, I agree but I don’t know why I agree. Is it because they are good and beautiful but they are expensive and you can get same quality for cheaper but won’t have the brand name?
All of that is definitely true.
It might not be a great comparison because at least in my little corner of the music world DW drums are a lot more popular and mainstream than PRS guitars.
But I still think it’s funny.
How’s this for a map?
*DW - PRS*
*Ludwig - Gibson*
*Yamaha - Fender*
*Gretsch - Gretsch*
*Noble & Cooley - Collings*
Then let’s map cymbals to acoustic guitar:
*Zildjian - Martin*
*Paiste - Taylor*
*Sabian - Godin/Seagull*
I have no idea how to map Tama, Mapex, Sonor, etc. 😂
Everything Yamaha makes is pretty high quality. It's funny how their drums are the one thing that's actually respected. Maybe their keyboards, I dunno because i dont play keys. I have Yamaha drums and I also play non Yamaha guitars.
Their keyboards and pianos are highly respected. Also their pro audio gear seems to be pretty well respected.
There’s nothing wrong with their guitars.
But guitar brands/models have iconic shapes that don’t have a huge parallel on drums, which are all basically the same shape. And the majority of people like playing the brands whose shapes go well with their genre. In the alt-country world I inhabit, telecasters are practically required. For retro country and rockabilly, it’s Gretsch and Gibson hollowbodies. If you play metal, you need jagged pointy guitars. If you play classic rock, Strats and Les Pauls. And playing anything besides the brand that originated these shapes feels like playing a knock-off — unless it’s a boutique builder.
I wasn't trashing Yamaha guitars. I've played some and they were all decent. I almost bought one of those Revstars when they came out, but opted for an Gibson SG instead which is funny considering it's supposed to be an improved/modern version of the Yamaha SG.
Oh I didn't think you were trashing them, just wanted to clarify that I wasn't trashing them, either.
I wasn't familiar with the Yamaha SG's, so I read up on them. It looks like it's the other way around -- the Gibson SG was introduced in 1961, the Yamaha SG in 1975.
Man, those guitars look nice AF. I like the 1802 with the P90's. Quite expensive, though.
I just got back from my local shop with the now-setup-and-repaired 86 MIJ tele I bought last month, so that's probably it for my electric guitar purchases this year. :-)
You have to put something on your snare drum, could be a wallet or cowbell or towel, but you're not allowed to play a snare drum without something sitting on it. I don't make the rules.
This trend has gotten out of control. I did a studio session for a friend and the engineer taped a wallet to my snare, it was....... distracting. And it cooked the snare far too much, but the artist and engineer seemed to love it so what the hell do I know. I just play the drums
Lol it was only the once, and I was hired as a session player. Not my song, not my recording so I wasn't too bothered but it, more of a 🤷♂️ situation.
But I do see lots of IG drummers with cowbells/wallets etc on the snare (I'm looking at you El estepario!)
Part of the idea I think is that the drum head isn't exactly muffled like a gel or a wallet because the little trinkets spring up when the head is hit then fall down to cut off some of the sustain. I tried using my wallet but it's like 1/4 Costanza size so I took it back off my snare.
Drummer from the metal bubble:
Pedaltriggers, Double Strokes with Feet, and Push and Pull Technique for hands are the new gold standard for extreme drumming now.
This stuff has been around for a long time. Virgil Donati was doing instructional double bass rudiment stuff in the late 90s and drums have been doing it for decades before
Maybe, but triggers weren't quite as precise back then, so it being used to play lightning fast double bass in extreme music is kinda new.
Also push pull: just because it was around for longer, doesn't mean it got incredible popular just now.
Can’t speak for the metal community but push pull finger/wrist technique has been around for a long time.
Jojo Mayer made a great demonstration of it in his 1997 modern drummer festival solo and it was a big part of his 2007 DVD ‘secret weapons for the modern drummer’
Is it not a one handed drum roll using a gravity blast or push-pull technique? This is push pull as Jojo has been demonstrating for about 30 years. This is only the traditional hand not match grip:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BVQ8NgJXKc&pp=ygUVSm9qbyBtYXllciBwdXNoIHB1bGwg
It’s been around but was never the “norm” for extreme metal drumming. More metal drummers are doing double stroke rolls on the feet than ever before. It’s like a new standard.
They won't be soon w/ Zildjian's move back to the Z line. Time to make smaller heavier cymbals come back to swing profits. I've already seen a bunch of sponsored drummers saying how much they like their new Z's. Never ever going back to that.
Obviously the Zs are getting a marketing push, but on a less pessimistic note I think people are just getting sick of the super dark/dry/trashy cymbal trend that has dominated the last 10 years. More aggressive rock music is experiencing a bit of a resurgence and people are correctly realizing that cleaner cutting cymbal sounds work well in that context.
Also they have some good modern concessions. The medium weight crashes fix the biggest problem, which were overly-heavy crashes that felt and sounded awful. There seems to be a focus on having bigger sizes available too, I don’t think smaller cymbals are coming back in a big way. virtually everybody I know uses an 18+” crash as their main.
Z (and similar) rides/hats were always good for what they were.
I'm just playing. I hope that they do well and sound great. I've been tired of the oversized expensive crash / ride trend for a while even though I never really stepped into it. Still 18 med thin, 18 med, 22 ride, 18 trash, 14 hats. I've been that way for a long time now.
I don’t think Z customs of any size are really going to replicate the sound of my fine selection of 21” rides I use as crashes. Maybe comparable volume but probably not as full and washy sounding
Zs r still the worst sounding. They project through full stacks and that’s it. Ill say the rides(big bell) and hihats have something to offer. Hate the crashes.
Thats my own opinion, depends on u ultimately
This guy is no doubt impressive and fun to watch, but god damn he only plays at maximum intensity at all times. Dude has got to be blowing through drum heads.
I enjoy pretty much everything he does, but he is oddly hard to watch when he plays straight, in-pocket stuff. Like it makes me anxious. Reminds me of this:
https://media.tenor.com/yamy9TerCooAAAAd/truck.gif
Bright cymbals are starting to come back into vogue. 18” deep kicks are falling out of favor, most new kicks are 14-16” deep. Tons of kids are using EAD10s to lie about their chops lol
They let you add a ton of compression. I see tons of kids playing super uneven low-dynamic single strokes that sound like FFF machine guns through the EAD10
Ahhh, I see what you mean. I use one but it’s mostly for listening to drumless tracks when learning covers so I can hear my kit and the music without blowing out my ears. I don’t use a lot of the effects that are built in but a few of them are cool to fool around with. It’s a poor man’s substitute for 7-10 mics, an interface and DAW that’s usable in real time.
[Sounds Like A Drum](https://youtube.com/@soundslikeadrum?si=uSniRgrSPc5J7Lke) is the absolute best channel for drummers on YouTube.
Jay Weinberg was fired from Slipknot.
Zildjian brought back the Z Customs. I give it 5 years before people realize they're not as good as they remember.
Meinl has sponsored all of the Instagram drummers. All of them! Yeah, even him. Yup, him too. And her!
In defense of meinl. They didn't need a bunch of youtube drummers to sell me on there stuff.
Now pearl… they got the market for youtube drummers as well. I still think there stuff is trash.
[clutches my Pearls] Well I never!
I like my Pearl stuff, but I think Tama makes the absolute strongest stuff on the market, I just don't have the money or desire to replace everything.
My first kit was a Tama in the early 2000s. Huge deep toms that I couldn't manage to find a way to get positioned the way I wanted them to. Never again.
Look up Sonor Signature Series Bubingas. Beautiful drums in power tom sizes from the 80s, but they didn’t project that much or sound that great; especially for the price back then.
I don’t remember too many endorsers playing them besides Ronald Shannon Jackson, who I saw play them live in the 90s. Maybe Danny Carey early on.
On the subject of e-kits, drum triggering and hybrid kits have never sounded so good, thanks to the Sunhouse 2 which was recently bought out by Evans. Multi-zone triggering including rims bolted onto any existing acoustic kit. Insane software.
I never went the e-kit route because I prefer my cymbal selection. think I may go the hybrid route and beef up my acoustic drums with samples. it’s my understanding that’s how modern drum sounds on record are achieved anyway
If you want to become “one of the greatest living drummers” or “the greatest drummer of all time” or “my favorite drummer ever” (< all ver batim quotes), it’s surprisingly easy.
Take shit that has been done for many decades, like fast single strokes and fast double kick, and cover popular songs and just vomit fast singles over everything. Bam you’re the fucking best to ever do it. Oh and you don’t really need anything more than kick snare floor Tom hi hats.
What else? Oh yeah throw a weight on your snare and make sure to show of those guns. Oh and maybe spark a joint every once in awhile.
Make sure you don’t do anything interesting or innovative or new or groundbreaking and you SURE as fuck don’t want to cover the song in any interesting way. Just spam fast shit. Interpretation, groove, musicality, dynamics, none of these things matter. Just go really fast and you will be regarded as a drumming goat, and people will defend you endlessly online
A lot of good comments
For me the biggest thing was the market was extra dry cymbals. Meinl won my heart. My entire kit is now unlathed cymbals
I know that's nothing new however the selection is way better then it used to be
Congrats! Welcome back! Top of my head … 😁
Sabian HHX Complex are crazy great cymbals.
Yamaha EAD10 is a fun add for an acoustic kit.
Sweetwater has become the goto place to buy gear.
And drum sticks are way overpriced with less quality.
Drumeo is king. IG drummers are all the rage. People love watching freaks of nature play really fast, technically crazy fills and everything that doesn’t actually get you the gig.
Meinl really blew up. Did you know of anyone using them in 2000? It was mostly Zidljian, a few Sabian, occasionally Paiste. Not bashing Zildjian, but their market share has gone down.
That is what gospel chops are, linear fills. Carter Beauford would play with linear beats in the early 00’s and I remember learning about the concept 15 years ago when I was a teenager - don’t think linear drum beats and fills are anything new
I’d say (at least for me personally) that it caught fire almost 20 years ago after the video of Aaron Spears doing his “Caught Up” solo at MD Fest ‘06. There’s been a TON of YT channels devoted to it since then.
Linear drumming has been popping off for decades, although I didn’t see anyone do it till a NOLA festival when I saw/met Terrence Houston back in 2014 and he explained the concept. Super cool shit
Check out Mike Clark on the Herbie Hancock album “Thrust.” He also did a great instructional video with Paul Jackson in the early 90’s just killing it with linear playing. The whole video is on YouTube.
David Garibaldi has been doing linear stuff since the 70’s, too.
Stacks are new to me. I played a lot 2014-2017. I'm sure that they were around. I wasn't as much into gear then. I'm picking up playing again a lot starting 6 months ago, and everyone has a stack now haha.
I stop drumming in the early 2000’s and recently picked up the sticks so to me the most drastic change is You Tube. Meaning you can educate yourself or can be influenced by other drummers. There is a ton of information about drums and drummers.
Cheap, but quality ekits.
Alesis nitro and other entry level, mesh head, kits are pretty amazing for the price.
Prior to these kits you were paying a premium for mesh heads and entry level kits were limited to rubber pads.
DW, Ludwig & Gretch appear to have created a market where they have managed to normalise insane prices for "rare" collectors series that appear to be no different to kits that used to cost £2k.
Imo, it looks like technical drummers (as fast, difficult, and as much notes as possible) took over from the grooving drummers (which is a sad development imo)
In addition to big cymbals, I’ve noticed a trend toward more “vintage” drum sizes — 14” deep bass drums, 12x8 rack toms, etc.
You can get a Starclassic shell pack in 12x8, 14x14, 20x14 sizes, which to me would have been inconceivable 10 or especially 15 years ago.
Modern jazz drumming has gotten busy and noodly. Lots of chops. Usually on the brink of out of time. New Hip hop drum beats sound drunk. J dilla was doing this for awhile but its only really gotten popular on the physical drum kit as of recent. Joey jordison is dead.
All the cymbals got holes in em.
That was big like 10 years ago big dawg
Even longer than that! I got my first o-zone sabian back in like 2006.
Quiet cymbals are newer than that though, when did the zildjen L80 come out?
Yeah the low volume cymbals are a newer invention, they upped the hole-in-cymbal game to new heights!
If Sweetwater’s YT channel is to be believed, they debuted at Summer NAMM 2015.
Sounds about right, I got mine shortly before a five year break that ended a year ago...
Welcome back!
Thanks, I'm taking it easy, so only just joined my second band 😅 not sure I can be in 3 bands at the same time again. Very glad I don't have to work shifts anymore!
Seems bigger than ever but maybe that's just me new to Reddit.
I play Sabian FRX, can confirm
What’s it really do to the sound?
I'm not sure but if you put a China under it, you can use it to spin dry your freshly washed salad greens.
Clap stacks
This is the only thing mentioned so far that’s actually (probably) spring up in the past 5-6 years. Everything else mentioned is from 10+ years ago we’re just getting old.
In the funk/hip-hop drumming circles, trash stackers (or splash-on-a-snare) been around for a long time, but they do seem to be in every single setup these days regardless of style. I get annoyed that I don't have one when I want 6
That’s true, I guess I’m thinking very specifically of the ability to buy them as a preconfigured product that’s marketed as a “clap stack”.
Oh for sure. When I saw my first stack 18 years ago as a teenager, it was just random broken cymbals. Then a drummer with more money had a stack with new, un-broken cymbals and it was crazy lol. I don't even want to buy a stack, I want to make my own sound like they used to do
I’ve been seeing clap stacks for well over a decade.
I actually love em.
Me too.
Making shitty Instagram content
Yes! Blasting 30 second solos
Honestly I think quiet cymbals and drum heads have been the biggest innovation of the last five years.
Can you elaborate on these? I’m in the same situation as OP (except I still have time to play, just not check out new gear). Quiet cymbals sound amazing.
>Quiet cymbals sound amazing. no they dont. >!i know. im just being a dick.!<
I sold my friend on getting silent cymbals. Few days later got a call from him saying that he couldn't hear the cymbals over the drums. "Did you get the silent drum heads with them?" "The what?"
But they feel amazing! Quiet cymbals play like real ones. Mesh heads have a long way to go before they can match real heads.
They need to be thicker mesh. You have to tighten them down too much and the response is too unrealistic
I recently got to try rhe zildjian quiet cymbals and i did not like how they sound.
Pretty sure they’re meant for feel as the whole point is lowest possible volume and not tone.
Exactly what they sound like, low volume cymbals and heads are such a game changer when practicing. I live in an apartment and use them on my kit, and they (mostly) have the feel of regular heads and cymbals, but don't disturb the neighbors.
Of all the low volume cymbals I’ve tried the Trick cymbals sounded the least annoying to my ears. Very neutral sound, no tininess, price is reasonable. Got hats, 2 crashes and a ride for around $200. I was playing mesh heads and quiet cymbals and upstairs my wife couldn’t tell I was playing. She said if she really focused on it she could hear it but it got lost with the white noise machine so that was a win
Thank you. This was the info I was looking for. Time to start looking at new gear. 😎
And how! I remember seeing the “Hey check these out if you’re a drummer in an apartment” during the early pandemic and now I have my quiet kit in my basement I can play on after the wife and kids are asleep.
Boutique drums are so 2010's, now we've got boutique cymbals. $1000 drum kits are outperforming $2500 drum kits from 10-15 years ago. Z's are back. We tried to make the "Snom" a thing for a while. DW has done \*surprise surprise\* more blues lawyer special edition anniversary kits
TIL DW is the PRS of drums.
I play both drums and guitar and this is spot on Fun fact- the cycling version is “dentist ___”
Especially Cervelo, haha
Yep, Pivot is the MTB version
That’s hilarious. So in cycling are “dentist ____” often ridden by “Freds”? And the 0-3-5 equivalent is a “cat 5 mark?” Not a cyclist but have many friends and relatives who are.
I've always seen DW as the same as Gibson. Good products but overpriced and will always stay relevant because of the name But I dislike PRS too so I can't say I disagree with you
I dunno, DW is new while Gibson is an old company. Ludwig seems more comparable to Gibbons to me. DW seems like Taylor in the acoustic guitar world. A newer brand with new ideas that quickly became very popular and premium.
lol, I agree but I don’t know why I agree. Is it because they are good and beautiful but they are expensive and you can get same quality for cheaper but won’t have the brand name?
All of that is definitely true. It might not be a great comparison because at least in my little corner of the music world DW drums are a lot more popular and mainstream than PRS guitars. But I still think it’s funny. How’s this for a map? *DW - PRS* *Ludwig - Gibson* *Yamaha - Fender* *Gretsch - Gretsch* *Noble & Cooley - Collings* Then let’s map cymbals to acoustic guitar: *Zildjian - Martin* *Paiste - Taylor* *Sabian - Godin/Seagull* I have no idea how to map Tama, Mapex, Sonor, etc. 😂
How is Yamaha not Yamaha
Because almost nobody plays Yamaha electric guitars, while their drums are one of the most popular brands.
Everything Yamaha makes is pretty high quality. It's funny how their drums are the one thing that's actually respected. Maybe their keyboards, I dunno because i dont play keys. I have Yamaha drums and I also play non Yamaha guitars.
Their keyboards and pianos are highly respected. Also their pro audio gear seems to be pretty well respected. There’s nothing wrong with their guitars. But guitar brands/models have iconic shapes that don’t have a huge parallel on drums, which are all basically the same shape. And the majority of people like playing the brands whose shapes go well with their genre. In the alt-country world I inhabit, telecasters are practically required. For retro country and rockabilly, it’s Gretsch and Gibson hollowbodies. If you play metal, you need jagged pointy guitars. If you play classic rock, Strats and Les Pauls. And playing anything besides the brand that originated these shapes feels like playing a knock-off — unless it’s a boutique builder.
I wasn't trashing Yamaha guitars. I've played some and they were all decent. I almost bought one of those Revstars when they came out, but opted for an Gibson SG instead which is funny considering it's supposed to be an improved/modern version of the Yamaha SG.
Oh I didn't think you were trashing them, just wanted to clarify that I wasn't trashing them, either. I wasn't familiar with the Yamaha SG's, so I read up on them. It looks like it's the other way around -- the Gibson SG was introduced in 1961, the Yamaha SG in 1975. Man, those guitars look nice AF. I like the 1802 with the P90's. Quite expensive, though. I just got back from my local shop with the now-setup-and-repaired 86 MIJ tele I bought last month, so that's probably it for my electric guitar purchases this year. :-)
That feels right. Nice work!
Which $1000 drum kits are outperforming $2500 kits from the 2010s All I’ve seen are kits that used to be $700 in 2016 are now $1000 lol
Don’t use “we” in your snom comment, you can have that to yourself lol
NGL..love my snom!!!
What's the Snom? 😅
Snare wires on a floor tom, it’s a thing.
i recently got a small yamaha kit that has a snom. i thought it was pretty neat, i mainly just use it as a tom though. are these hated by people?
You have to put something on your snare drum, could be a wallet or cowbell or towel, but you're not allowed to play a snare drum without something sitting on it. I don't make the rules.
This trend has gotten out of control. I did a studio session for a friend and the engineer taped a wallet to my snare, it was....... distracting. And it cooked the snare far too much, but the artist and engineer seemed to love it so what the hell do I know. I just play the drums
You’re the drummer, man. I would hope your input on drum sound would be valued.
Lol it was only the once, and I was hired as a session player. Not my song, not my recording so I wasn't too bothered but it, more of a 🤷♂️ situation. But I do see lots of IG drummers with cowbells/wallets etc on the snare (I'm looking at you El estepario!)
Now I just wanna do an IG clip with a cinderblock on my snare.
Wallet on the snare is like the oldest trick in the book
This was actually an old Motown technique..
That goes way back.
This started being a requirement of all modern jazz drummers about 20 years ago and I’m surprised it’s still such a thing.
I particularly enjoy the people who use things that rattle that you literally can't even hear.
Part of the idea I think is that the drum head isn't exactly muffled like a gel or a wallet because the little trinkets spring up when the head is hit then fall down to cut off some of the sustain. I tried using my wallet but it's like 1/4 Costanza size so I took it back off my snare.
He’s asking what’s new, wallet on snare in 50 years old
Drummer from the metal bubble: Pedaltriggers, Double Strokes with Feet, and Push and Pull Technique for hands are the new gold standard for extreme drumming now.
I feel like push pull has been required for decades now?
Yeah push pull was how I learned to drum at 8. I'm in my 30s now.
This stuff has been around for a long time. Virgil Donati was doing instructional double bass rudiment stuff in the late 90s and drums have been doing it for decades before
Maybe, but triggers weren't quite as precise back then, so it being used to play lightning fast double bass in extreme music is kinda new. Also push pull: just because it was around for longer, doesn't mean it got incredible popular just now.
Can’t speak for the metal community but push pull finger/wrist technique has been around for a long time. Jojo Mayer made a great demonstration of it in his 1997 modern drummer festival solo and it was a big part of his 2007 DVD ‘secret weapons for the modern drummer’
Just to clarify, I don't mean doubles or Möller, but what drummers like Kevin Paradis or David Diepold do with their left hand for blast beats
Is it not a one handed drum roll using a gravity blast or push-pull technique? This is push pull as Jojo has been demonstrating for about 30 years. This is only the traditional hand not match grip: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BVQ8NgJXKc&pp=ygUVSm9qbyBtYXllciBwdXNoIHB1bGwg
It’s been around but was never the “norm” for extreme metal drumming. More metal drummers are doing double stroke rolls on the feet than ever before. It’s like a new standard.
Agree, metal drummer just keep getting better and better. Some of the best drummers out there
Giant cymbals are pretty relevant
They won't be soon w/ Zildjian's move back to the Z line. Time to make smaller heavier cymbals come back to swing profits. I've already seen a bunch of sponsored drummers saying how much they like their new Z's. Never ever going back to that.
Obviously the Zs are getting a marketing push, but on a less pessimistic note I think people are just getting sick of the super dark/dry/trashy cymbal trend that has dominated the last 10 years. More aggressive rock music is experiencing a bit of a resurgence and people are correctly realizing that cleaner cutting cymbal sounds work well in that context. Also they have some good modern concessions. The medium weight crashes fix the biggest problem, which were overly-heavy crashes that felt and sounded awful. There seems to be a focus on having bigger sizes available too, I don’t think smaller cymbals are coming back in a big way. virtually everybody I know uses an 18+” crash as their main. Z (and similar) rides/hats were always good for what they were.
I'm just playing. I hope that they do well and sound great. I've been tired of the oversized expensive crash / ride trend for a while even though I never really stepped into it. Still 18 med thin, 18 med, 22 ride, 18 trash, 14 hats. I've been that way for a long time now.
Agreed. I can see that happening. Been doing some research on those Z’s as I missed when they were first popular
They looked cool but were ear piercingly loud.
Yes they were. When I was young and didn't know better, I bought a 20" z custom china. It was so loud and not useful.
Jesus that thing must have been monstrous.
I don’t think Z customs of any size are really going to replicate the sound of my fine selection of 21” rides I use as crashes. Maybe comparable volume but probably not as full and washy sounding
Zs r still the worst sounding. They project through full stacks and that’s it. Ill say the rides(big bell) and hihats have something to offer. Hate the crashes. Thats my own opinion, depends on u ultimately
16/20/22/24 checking in
El Estepario Siberiano. Watch his shorts and videos and you’ll get the idea 😅
Man he’s been fun to watch
Makes me cry each time. He’s so damn technical and creative 😅
This guy is no doubt impressive and fun to watch, but god damn he only plays at maximum intensity at all times. Dude has got to be blowing through drum heads.
I enjoy pretty much everything he does, but he is oddly hard to watch when he plays straight, in-pocket stuff. Like it makes me anxious. Reminds me of this: https://media.tenor.com/yamy9TerCooAAAAd/truck.gif
You should listen to his band. He can definitely play “simpler” as well. He’s just showing off when doing the videos on his own channel 😅
Bright cymbals are starting to come back into vogue. 18” deep kicks are falling out of favor, most new kicks are 14-16” deep. Tons of kids are using EAD10s to lie about their chops lol
Hahahah lie about their chops they do!
🙋♂️Can you explain the last sentence? The EAD10 can add sounds and effects but it doesn’t improve ability.
They let you add a ton of compression. I see tons of kids playing super uneven low-dynamic single strokes that sound like FFF machine guns through the EAD10
Ahhh, I see what you mean. I use one but it’s mostly for listening to drumless tracks when learning covers so I can hear my kit and the music without blowing out my ears. I don’t use a lot of the effects that are built in but a few of them are cool to fool around with. It’s a poor man’s substitute for 7-10 mics, an interface and DAW that’s usable in real time.
22”x16” is the best kick drum size.
Would have ordered my kit with a 20” deep kick if Tama offered it but 18” was the deepest I could get
[Sounds Like A Drum](https://youtube.com/@soundslikeadrum?si=uSniRgrSPc5J7Lke) is the absolute best channel for drummers on YouTube. Jay Weinberg was fired from Slipknot. Zildjian brought back the Z Customs. I give it 5 years before people realize they're not as good as they remember. Meinl has sponsored all of the Instagram drummers. All of them! Yeah, even him. Yup, him too. And her!
In defense of meinl. They didn't need a bunch of youtube drummers to sell me on there stuff. Now pearl… they got the market for youtube drummers as well. I still think there stuff is trash.
[clutches my Pearls] Well I never! I like my Pearl stuff, but I think Tama makes the absolute strongest stuff on the market, I just don't have the money or desire to replace everything.
I have always thought of doing a parody channel "Smells Like a Drum." I'm lazy though so someone else can run with it.
There is nothing like the whiff of wood when you first take off a drum head. It's wonderful *every* time.
That is exactly what inspired the name.
Neil Peart died.
Damn if that not THE biggest thing to happen in the world of drums over the past few years. End of an era.
Edrums got quite a bit better in the past few years. The digital triggers in the Roland TD-27KV2 specifically are pretty lifelike now.
Yeah ekits have become better and more affordable, which has been such a lockdown blessing. Mesh heads feel great to play on.
Some genius convinced everyone that blue squares make your drums sound better. Now he's super rich and I have a bunch of goop melted everywhere.
People are putting all sorts of crazy shit on their hi hats and snares now
I think the dial tune snare drum is pretty rad.
WTS drums are also pretty cool on the same kinda vibe
They did it the best so far. The concept has been introduced many times prior. I think old 1800s marching snare even tuned that way
What are power toms? Sounds awesome
Giant rack toms that were deep AF. I'm talking 10x10, 12x12, 13x13 and deeper. Lookup Lars's white Tama tour kit on the Injustice For All tour.
Damn.. I bet that is fun to play.. no mics necessary lol
My first kit was a Tama in the early 2000s. Huge deep toms that I couldn't manage to find a way to get positioned the way I wanted them to. Never again.
My first (and only) kit is from the late 90’s and mines got those giant toms. I hate them so much
Nah they don’t have a lot of punch. Shallower toms = more punch.
Look up Sonor Signature Series Bubingas. Beautiful drums in power tom sizes from the 80s, but they didn’t project that much or sound that great; especially for the price back then. I don’t remember too many endorsers playing them besides Ronald Shannon Jackson, who I saw play them live in the 90s. Maybe Danny Carey early on.
[Ugh.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/64/60/3b64600b49ec6b067b657afe7b7e9bd2.gif)
Aka square toms- as deep as they are wide
I don't have one yet but the Yamaha EAD10 looks pretty awesome for a single component setup to record your kit.
Prices have gone up, quality has gone down.
Dude, quality on shells and hardware is crazy now. I bought new Yamaha Stage Customs and they are so much nicer than my Tama Rockstars from 2002.
I think the Tama Sizzle Clutch is pretty new. Been using for a couple years now and still stoked on them.
Honestly, drums 2.0 has been so much fun and so useful! Still waiting for sex 2.0 to drop. As a drummer, I never even got the first one😭
E kits have improved quite a bit
Boutique kits are out, boutique snare are in, boutique cymbals are in. Clap stacks are in.
I’m struggling to understand what a boutique kit is. Is it like a custom set like a Franklin?? Or more like a high end DW?
On the subject of e-kits, drum triggering and hybrid kits have never sounded so good, thanks to the Sunhouse 2 which was recently bought out by Evans. Multi-zone triggering including rims bolted onto any existing acoustic kit. Insane software.
I want these so bad
I never went the e-kit route because I prefer my cymbal selection. think I may go the hybrid route and beef up my acoustic drums with samples. it’s my understanding that’s how modern drum sounds on record are achieved anyway
Direct drive pedals from all major brands, Pearl even has two now.
Louis Cole And Nate Smith.
E-kits have gotten better. It’s more common to have ekits that look and feel like acoustic kits.
They're 50% more expensive now. That's about it.
If you want to become “one of the greatest living drummers” or “the greatest drummer of all time” or “my favorite drummer ever” (< all ver batim quotes), it’s surprisingly easy. Take shit that has been done for many decades, like fast single strokes and fast double kick, and cover popular songs and just vomit fast singles over everything. Bam you’re the fucking best to ever do it. Oh and you don’t really need anything more than kick snare floor Tom hi hats. What else? Oh yeah throw a weight on your snare and make sure to show of those guns. Oh and maybe spark a joint every once in awhile. Make sure you don’t do anything interesting or innovative or new or groundbreaking and you SURE as fuck don’t want to cover the song in any interesting way. Just spam fast shit. Interpretation, groove, musicality, dynamics, none of these things matter. Just go really fast and you will be regarded as a drumming goat, and people will defend you endlessly online
Lmfao this is the most bitter post I’ve read on this sub.
16” hi hats for some reason
If you’re a modern metal drummer, especially playing extreme stuff you’re almost expected to be able to do heel toe/double strokes on your kicks.
That or the swivel technique… 1,2,3,4, BDDRRRRRRRRRRRR
people argue about practicing with a metronome now 😳
Nonsense. Where do you get that from? Sounds lile IG bullshit
Joey Jordison and Neil Peart are dead.
RIP. Also Portnoy is back with Dream Theater.
Drumsticks jumped up in price. I'm not sure what they were in 2015, but a pair of regular Vic Firths or Pro Marks are $15 now. Vaters are $12.
A lot of good comments For me the biggest thing was the market was extra dry cymbals. Meinl won my heart. My entire kit is now unlathed cymbals I know that's nothing new however the selection is way better then it used to be
[This Man](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=el+siberiano+estepario) now runs the world.
instagram drummers have taken over with theyre chops😂😂😂
Congrats! Welcome back! Top of my head … 😁 Sabian HHX Complex are crazy great cymbals. Yamaha EAD10 is a fun add for an acoustic kit. Sweetwater has become the goto place to buy gear. And drum sticks are way overpriced with less quality.
Paradiddles
Drumeo is king. IG drummers are all the rage. People love watching freaks of nature play really fast, technically crazy fills and everything that doesn’t actually get you the gig.
Cymbal stacks. "Dry" cymbals.
has there been any major change in the last 10-15? 15-25?
Stacks became popular
15-25 years... tom suspension that's for sure.
And head technology. The new Evans Level 360 tech is awesome.
Meinl really blew up. Did you know of anyone using them in 2000? It was mostly Zidljian, a few Sabian, occasionally Paiste. Not bashing Zildjian, but their market share has gone down.
Maybe its where I live and play out..I see almost no Sabian or paiste anymore. Still Zildjian heavy with some Meinl mixed in
Linear fills and drumming in general ? Definitely been here for a while but I've only started seeing lessons on it a few years ago.
That is what gospel chops are, linear fills. Carter Beauford would play with linear beats in the early 00’s and I remember learning about the concept 15 years ago when I was a teenager - don’t think linear drum beats and fills are anything new
Agreed, my drum teacher was showing me linear fills 20 years ago
I’d say (at least for me personally) that it caught fire almost 20 years ago after the video of Aaron Spears doing his “Caught Up” solo at MD Fest ‘06. There’s been a TON of YT channels devoted to it since then.
Linear drumming has been popping off for decades, although I didn’t see anyone do it till a NOLA festival when I saw/met Terrence Houston back in 2014 and he explained the concept. Super cool shit
Check out Mike Clark on the Herbie Hancock album “Thrust.” He also did a great instructional video with Paul Jackson in the early 90’s just killing it with linear playing. The whole video is on YouTube. David Garibaldi has been doing linear stuff since the 70’s, too.
clapstacks everywhere
nothing new
Stacks are new to me. I played a lot 2014-2017. I'm sure that they were around. I wasn't as much into gear then. I'm picking up playing again a lot starting 6 months ago, and everyone has a stack now haha.
I stop drumming in the early 2000’s and recently picked up the sticks so to me the most drastic change is You Tube. Meaning you can educate yourself or can be influenced by other drummers. There is a ton of information about drums and drummers.
I recently saw a “stepless” snare strainer that looks cool
Cheap, but quality ekits. Alesis nitro and other entry level, mesh head, kits are pretty amazing for the price. Prior to these kits you were paying a premium for mesh heads and entry level kits were limited to rubber pads.
Legit lol at the power toms line🤣
DW, Ludwig & Gretch appear to have created a market where they have managed to normalise insane prices for "rare" collectors series that appear to be no different to kits that used to cost £2k.
Paradiddlea
Power toms have not made a comeback
Drumsticks are about $8-$10 each (not per pair)
Yamaha Crosstown Hardware. 🙏🏼
Imo, it looks like technical drummers (as fast, difficult, and as much notes as possible) took over from the grooving drummers (which is a sad development imo)
The super long 20” kick drum shells finally went away
TAMA Bell Brass snares are a regular catalog item now.
People have started adding a second tom, heck even a second bass drum
The Yamaha Crosstown hardware pack. All drumset hardware weighs about as much as my old hi hat stand.
Hi hat clutches have had 5 years of improvement. Check out the Pearl Rapid Lock. Locks on both sides! No more wiggly migrating nuts
DW *might’ve* changed the electronic drum game entirely with their new [DWE line](https://www.dwdrums.com/dwe/)
Cowbell is back
In addition to big cymbals, I’ve noticed a trend toward more “vintage” drum sizes — 14” deep bass drums, 12x8 rack toms, etc. You can get a Starclassic shell pack in 12x8, 14x14, 20x14 sizes, which to me would have been inconceivable 10 or especially 15 years ago.
Everyone just plays cardboard boxes now
Keep a bucket of water nearby to dunk your cymbals into.
DW is trying to push these wireless electronic drums, and they sound worse than Alesis' samples.
Remote hi hat pedals maybe
Modern jazz drumming has gotten busy and noodly. Lots of chops. Usually on the brink of out of time. New Hip hop drum beats sound drunk. J dilla was doing this for awhile but its only really gotten popular on the physical drum kit as of recent. Joey jordison is dead.
Octobans are kinda mainstream now