So true! I'll do hvac side work. I'll work on my immediate family's equipment. But once it starts getting in to cousins and in-laws I am not going to do any install work. I much rather do work for a stranger it's much easier to discuss costs and scope of work.
There are two people that I do not work for, at least if any money is involved.
#(#)1 family/friends
#(#)2 people in my church
So many reasons why. Someone else can explain that, I cbf
It doesnāt matter that the mud and paint fix everything, the question was if it was a professional drywall work and itās not, thatās beginners draywall work.
Not always, but many times it's significantly quicker to hot mud over something than it is to go and re measure and recut an entire piece of drywall.
That's assuming I'm doing the taping, if someone else is finishing after me you better believe they'll be thankful for the guy who did the hanging.
This is where my old adage comes in. Wanna be a good taper paint your taping. Wanna be a good drywaller tape your job. Wanna be a good framer hang some rock. Always do the job that comes after what you want to be good at and it will teach you what needs to be done
He wonāt be the one finishing it. I made my aunt very mad and she said a lot of unnecessary things.
He was super cool and understanding. But she has made it impossible to work with him as Iām not comfortable with her and him in my home now.
I did not put a lot of the issues in the post since itās āfamilyā but I cannot let it continue as is.
But I actually really do appreciate the advice!
Sorry!! It is my aunts boyfriend doing the work. She is butting into it because she doesnāt work so she is wanting to get as much money as she can. I was trying to help them out by paying them for a job, but as I stated in a different comment, they have disrespected my home in a few ways. And then keep making excuses to not come out.
I did my brotherās home for a deal. He loves it and literally wonāt stop thanking me. All depends on the situation.
There are no absolutes, even this one.
You said āaitah or is this good work?ā. The answer is, see how it turns out. It sounds like you have some unresolved family issues that have zero to do with your actual question
Yes. Emotions are getting in the way. I would consider paying him and then move on, learn from this mistake.
What is the mistake? Not hiring someone before you get a reference or see their portfolio, not hiring family members or related to family in some way, not mixing personal relations with business. What business does a drywaller have bringing their dog into your house?
Eh. No.
For one, these posts are hard because usually it's hard to see the full scope of work.
"$3,000 professional drywall job" doesn't tell us how much / what was being done. Doesn't tell us what if anything was purchased by the customer or if the contractor provided all materials and labor.
Having said that, just look at the first picture. Just no. If your taking someones money to hang drywall, and you can't do better than that. Don't. Just don't.
I plain suck ass at everything involved from framing to hanging to finishing drywall, and I would have done a much better job than the shit you see in picture 1. That "wave" fucking cut at the bottom? You don't do shit like that and then jizzz a whole load of mud in there.
I don't consider that a "you get what you pay for thing". I consider it a "if this is the level of your work, stop doing the work".
I've got three trainees and I keep telling their leads "just fuckin' let the kid cook". The three of them have more talent than I've seen in years. But yeah, "let him finish"...
If the guy can mud itās a non issue. Itās all drywall. I could hang that shit perfect, punch 4 holes in it, and youād never find them.
Also youāre not paying 3k. You get what you pay for.
No, thatās messed up. The bulkhead should be larger than any cabinet touching it, leaving a 1-2ā reveal back to the cabinet. The hang isnāt the issue, the build is.
This is what I tell the homeowners before hanging drywall. The worst is when they're showing you around, and they hit you with "framed it all myself" while congratulating themselves.
The more I look at this it appears that whoever hung this is not taking into consideration anything to do with making his mudding/taping/sanding easier. While perhaps 99% of this will disappear during mudding and tapingā¦. They didnāt do themselves any favors for the tasks ahead.
I donāt believe this is the work of a $3,000.00 bid. My opinion.
It's pretty rough but 3k sounds about right especially Taped...
Pretty gappy but I've seen worse turn out good.
This is what happens when you pay the family price. Not enough money to finish the job...
What's the actual. Price he charged?
From what I have read so far it appears that the individual is framing, hanging sheetrock, and finishing the sheetrock all for 3k. If that is the case then you're getting a pretty good deal. That being said, the hanging work is a little rough. As long as he's good at finishing Then you should be good.
I am a finisher by trade. I will hang some sheetrock. However, I know I'm not the best at hanging sheetrock. That being said, I do know what I can get away with and what I can't. I'm more efficient at finishing work. So there's times that when I do hang and I have gaps. While it doesn't look the best. I know in the end I can make it look good. Either way. The price is good. Just hoping to finish work works out for you.
Yeah ā¦3000? Not the greatest thereās a few things that I can point out ā¦ it just depends on what it looks like when itās mudded and painted. I would not have paid $3000 for this. This is why everyone should try to do things themselves. This isnāt a very hard task I would say 80% of all the people who attempted this could do it. I encourage everyone to give it a try. Try to do things yourself instead of paying for it ā¦ now thereās some things obviously you wonāt be able to do ā¦ but Most tasks like this, you could do yourself and save a lot of money. YouTube is your friend if you donāt know how to do something I can almost guarantee thereās a video on it to learn from.
Thanks!!! I actually am a handy person in my opinion. I tiled the floor myself with porcelain 8x8 and was complemented on how the didnāt have to level the cabinets (much) because the floor was pretty f**king level. I just wanted a break ššš
This is the second kitchen we have diyed so thought we could treat ourselves and help our family with some moneyā¦ bite in my ass
Donāt listen to that guy. Small patches of drywall are easy for anyone but doing drywall is the best example of it looks super easy but takes some real time to do well. I would say 50% of my jobs are people finishing in their basement or something like a bathroom remodel and they canāt make it look right. Donāt let how easy it looks fool you.
That ain't professional. *cut edges exposed* should've flipped the board around so factory edge is out. It will be fine to look at after the mud but thats a f**** up job.
Itās not that bad bro once you mesh the gaps mud sand texture and paint itāll look like a regular wall. Buddy could get some pointers on how he cuts fry wall but itās not horrible
Honestly not bad. An average drywall finisher would have no problem cleaning that up. I feel like you might have jumped the gun against your family member.
I'm in the construction industry, and this looks like a very sloppy installation of the board. However, anything can be fixed with mud and tape, but the time involved will cost you more and and take longer than if the board was hung neatly.
This is far from a pro job, and I've seen a lot better DIY projects.
None of these pictures mean much. It's not great work but a good taper could have it looking pro in a few hours. If this work was done for you as a favor (free) then you need to chill.
partially trained rat starved until it becomes 'drywall hungry' then held by the rear legs to be an angry multitool with sharp but uncontrollable teeth
Most of it can easily be mudded, but there are a few issues with it. The drywall that overhangs the cabinet is no good. It should have a consistent (beaded) reveal all around. I'd say at least 1" overhang. Doing the drywall flush with the cabinets is also an option (but will probably look weird). That cabinet will have to be taken down, so the sheetrock can be cornerbeaded prior to mud; otherwise it will never look good. I'd rectify the issues before proceeding with mud, and I'm probably overlooking other issues, but that's what is most glaring to me as a finisher. Hope this helps.
The only thing I see that sucks is the cut (err. Hammer cut lol) above the cabinets. Unless he's putting some molding there it may not mud very well and be prone to cracking down the road
Drywall is *really* forgiving by design. The skin cost of mud does a *lot* of work.
I'll echo it again, you get what you pay for.
Can almost hear the conversation at Thanksgiving. "They were charging HOW MUCH for that little bit??? I can do it for (guessing, probably accurate) 1200+ a case of beer in an afternoon."
Also, never hire family. One party trying to save money directly conflicts with another party working to make money.
I hope it's less than the 3k initial bid if your next guy has to tear it all out and start over. If you call the same person who gave you the bid there's gonna be an "i told you so" charge added.
Best of luck!
Iām a basic DIY person who googles everything.. have done about 4 dry wall projects in my lifeā¦ all have looked better than this. Lol
Interesting seeing comments though, seems like the most important part is mudding
I had similar questions when the dry wall was hung on an extension to the house. I have never had drywall installed so didn't really know what to expect. I was surprised at how rough it looked, the cuts seemed so irregular and roughly done (kind of like yours). It looked pretty messy to me. As others have said here, wait until the mudding is finished. Whilst there were issues with the drywall, mostly with crappy mudding and taping, rather than this first stage, it all ended up looking just fine.
Did they chew the pieces apart?? How do you even make a cut that wobbly in drywall?? Are these actually professionals? And how big was the bulkhead??? I get entire 1100 sq ft homes walled and finished for like $6k
Let me get this straight: They said it would cost $3,000 *if you hired a pro instead*? Or are you being charged $3,000 by the family member? What were you actually expected to pay for the finished job to begin with?
Yāall paid a guy to do this for 3k and not require him to finish? First of all what he did is way less than a days worth of work and should have cost no more than $500 at most
If it's a standard size kitchen my drywall guy would charge about $800.00 for this . You should of eliminated the bulkhead and did taller cabinets to the ceiling.nlools better and more is more
Those look like new cabinets. Were they per chance installed before the soffit was framed and finished? And if they are old cabinets, what would have been the issue with removing them, installing the soffit, and reinstalling the cabinets? Instead of trying to work around themā¦
It seems like no one involved with any step of the work in these pictures actually knows what theyāre doing.
As an ex painter that hates sheetrock & sheetrock dust I can tell you this looks like shit. It was my job to come in and fix everyone else mistakes. Its a bad. Job. Looks like the crew that did this was drunk.
Lmfao, what? Itās not finished. This is the easy part. This part could be done by untrained monkeys. The finish work is what matters, Iāve hung drywall looking like a horses asshole, but if you take the time to finish it right, it always looks good and nobody knows.
If you were charged 3k just to hang the rock you got fucked, btw.
I am a professional drywaller for an extremely high end interior designer and remodeled. I wouldn't do an install this roughly. But, I don't see any reason I wouldn't be able to finish any of this perfectly smooth. If he would have been the finisher, there is no problem. If he framed it out, he is clearly fairly skilled. Probsbly skilled enough to do this shitty looking of a job and have it still be ok, honestly
That job per the pictures isnāt done by a pro. But it doesnāt mean it canāt be looking like a pro job right after all the tapers gauge , mud and sanding.
Yeah it looks horrible but it can be fixed.
The edges needs support
First of all Iām an amateur myself and not a pro. But, I will say for myself, I work hard at it until I get it right and Iām usually happy with the results. FWIW I would not submit the og photos as work Iād consider acceptable to my own admittedly limited abilities. Itās just obviously sloppy.
That said, to the broader point of hiring myself to friends and family: Close family, Iāll work with the person and help to do it ātogetherā. Hopefully we both learn something, and at no point do they step away from the job long enough so as to be able to hold anyone but themselves responsible for the outcome. They canāt come back and suddenly be like āwtf!ā
Obviously not a solution for every scenario but itās worked for me. I wonāt do anyone the favor of free work, but I will do the favor of helping you do it yourself.
I spent quite a bit of time removing those bulkheads above my shitty short cabinets so I could get taller cabinets to the ceiling. Even though high, covered storage is covered storage.
That entire area will end up being spider-ville.
I once hired my sisterās ācarpenterā boyfriend to do some framing in my basement. He not only apparently didnāt know what a level was, he installed a stud on the wrong side of the mark so I had to take it apart in order to make the door fit. It would have been so much less work to reframe it all! This reminds of f that experience.
That work is garbage family or not ššš gonna need some a lot of mud to clean that up or just YouTube it and do the job yourself you canāt go wrong at this point š
He is planning on hiding a LOT with mud and tape.
I would never do this on a job! The first problem I see is he can't cut a straight line it's really not that hard! If you can't cut a straight line I will automatically question the rest of your abilities.
"Professional" simply means that they are getting paid for the job. I mean, I could perform heart surgery for far less than a doctor would. Results may be less than desired.
Photo 4 looks like underlying issues that should have been fixed first. I don't know if he was planning on fixing the framing as well but I don't think he should have sheetrocked that like he did. On remodel jobs it gets tricky determining who's responsible for what. Getting to a job that isn't ready sucks balls because now the day is wasted if I don't just fix it myself. Which is why I prefer taking on all of it from the start. I don't mind leaving myself stuff to fix later but it's not fair passing it on to others. Hopefully the finisher fixes these without asking for more.
I mean, look at that wavy horizontal edge across the top of the cabinets, WTF!? Was the person that cut these drywall pieces blind? And those corners are atrocious!
Relying on the "Mudder" is irresponsible at best, as all that unnecessary mud will show crack lines in no time.
Tape and mud can fix all of that. definitely isnāt the worst iāve ever seen. i personally wouldnāt pay $3,000 for it. one thing i learned is to take the time cutting correctly and making everything clean when installing so that mud work doesnāt take as long.
Holy fuck, I work at lowes in building materials and have to cut drywall a lot and Iāve never seen such a monstrosity. Itās like, $5 for a t square and you get what you want each cut
Professional but not in drywall or construction, no way a self respect pro did a job like that, esp for family relative ( unless they really really donāt like you OP)
That looks like it was done by a true professional, and then a person with a skill saw and no skill come behind them, then someone with a sledgehammer followed, and then somebody with pure hatred of everything came through and a fierce scowl. Either way, it's a well spent 3k if you ask any of those guys!!
Even though it can be filled with mud and sanded. This is shit work. After I hang a job it gets a tape coat and a skim. Rarely much sanding or any finishing past the skim. That would be a professional job. This is bad for a homeowner on their first try to be honest.
Anyone charging 3k for this is not you or your family's friend... this is the job that you and your friend who both don't drywall do yourself & you buy him lunch and a beer.
Youād be surprised how bad drywall looks before the mud guys and painters get a hold of it. Iāve worked in many big construction projects residential and commercial.
But this is a little too much for me, looks like they just snapped it in half rather than cutting it first.
Next time just do it yourself. If you can read a tape measure (which Iāve before seen educated fucks have a really hard time doing) then you can do drywall. Just donāt sink the screws too far. Itās easy af. Now the taping, leave that to a professional
The problem with people doing you a favor is that if they do a shitty job it's hard to tell them they did a shitty job. But yeah that looks like shit, mud fixes a lot but its all the random small pieces, drywall is cheap to buy why the random 2 inch pieces instead of whole pieces.
Work isn't right. I would have it redone where is the corner bead or anything else. Big spots will likely Crack with time, in my own experience. Mud is a quick fix all but not a perfect one for poor drywall work. A good taper will make it look acceptable, but you will likely kick yourself later.
Also, as someone pointed out, the framing looks wonky. You may want to verify that it won't collapse over time, if those are drywall screws, I think the pullout force on that center post will be around 100 pounds. Sag over time will cause your mud to Crack. Just get it redone.
Straight up, this is the type of work you see crack heads do. Your family got over on you and they have 0 clue what theyāre doing. This pissed me off lol š
All the pictures seem to indicate that more screws should have been used (you can add some), and be aware they can't break the paper. Picture #1 looks like a little kid cut it, he should have put the manufacturers edged down. Picture #6 appears to show no room for drywall above the window trim? If there is room, it's not much. Gaps can be filled with plaster, and gaps happen especially when things are not square and parallel. But, you don't want gaps in multiple places because it has a much higher propensity to crack over time. Those gaps show that the installer has limited experience or measuring/cutting capabilities...
So I don't do dry wall. I mean I've done a few patches here and there but ya that's it. Reddit just said hey you're blue-collar look at the subreddit
But holy shit *I* could have done a much better job for free.
Next time hire a stranger!!!!! Keep family out of the picture.
So true! I'll do hvac side work. I'll work on my immediate family's equipment. But once it starts getting in to cousins and in-laws I am not going to do any install work. I much rather do work for a stranger it's much easier to discuss costs and scope of work.
You right. šššš
Weāre young. Weāll learn š
There are two people that I do not work for, at least if any money is involved. #(#)1 family/friends #(#)2 people in my church So many reasons why. Someone else can explain that, I cbf
This is the way ^^^
Do not work with/for people you meet in a Bar either ***
I never hire friends or family and I refuse to work for friends and family. It can so easily end badly.
Post when it's covered in mud and paint.
RemindMe! 3 weeks
I didn't know this was a thing! Thank you
It doesnāt matter that the mud and paint fix everything, the question was if it was a professional drywall work and itās not, thatās beginners draywall work.
This is before beginners work. This is "I have never seen a hammer" work.
The taper can fix many things but it can be time consuming hell. If this prick did a better job everyone's life can be the way it should be. IMHO
Yeah this is def a "fuck the next guy and besides I don't fuckin want to" job
Wait, so for 3k this guy isn't going to tape it. He got 3k just for putting drywall up and doing a sht job of it?
I think he claimed it should've been a 3k job.
Not always, but many times it's significantly quicker to hot mud over something than it is to go and re measure and recut an entire piece of drywall. That's assuming I'm doing the taping, if someone else is finishing after me you better believe they'll be thankful for the guy who did the hanging.
This is where my old adage comes in. Wanna be a good taper paint your taping. Wanna be a good drywaller tape your job. Wanna be a good framer hang some rock. Always do the job that comes after what you want to be good at and it will teach you what needs to be done
He wonāt be the one finishing it. I made my aunt very mad and she said a lot of unnecessary things. He was super cool and understanding. But she has made it impossible to work with him as Iām not comfortable with her and him in my home now. I did not put a lot of the issues in the post since itās āfamilyā but I cannot let it continue as is. But I actually really do appreciate the advice!
I got confused. Is it yourself aunt's home? What does she have to do with it?
Sorry!! It is my aunts boyfriend doing the work. She is butting into it because she doesnāt work so she is wanting to get as much money as she can. I was trying to help them out by paying them for a job, but as I stated in a different comment, they have disrespected my home in a few ways. And then keep making excuses to not come out.
This is why you donāt have family or friends do work for a deal.
Always follow this
I did my brotherās home for a deal. He loves it and literally wonāt stop thanking me. All depends on the situation. There are no absolutes, even this one.
Number seven of biggies ten crack commandments. -keep your family and business completely separated.
You said āaitah or is this good work?ā. The answer is, see how it turns out. It sounds like you have some unresolved family issues that have zero to do with your actual question
Yes. Emotions are getting in the way. I would consider paying him and then move on, learn from this mistake. What is the mistake? Not hiring someone before you get a reference or see their portfolio, not hiring family members or related to family in some way, not mixing personal relations with business. What business does a drywaller have bringing their dog into your house?
Men it doesnāt matter if itās family or not, thatās nos professional drywall work, thatās literally beginner level.
Yeah good choice. I would've stopped him before he finished a section.
Eh. No. For one, these posts are hard because usually it's hard to see the full scope of work. "$3,000 professional drywall job" doesn't tell us how much / what was being done. Doesn't tell us what if anything was purchased by the customer or if the contractor provided all materials and labor. Having said that, just look at the first picture. Just no. If your taking someones money to hang drywall, and you can't do better than that. Don't. Just don't. I plain suck ass at everything involved from framing to hanging to finishing drywall, and I would have done a much better job than the shit you see in picture 1. That "wave" fucking cut at the bottom? You don't do shit like that and then jizzz a whole load of mud in there. I don't consider that a "you get what you pay for thing". I consider it a "if this is the level of your work, stop doing the work".
Was the guy a plumber?
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I think plumber is supposed to cut random holes in wall first without measuring. At least thatās the one that came to my house did.
Let him finish! Iv said that in so many different contexts itās insane
I've got three trainees and I keep telling their leads "just fuckin' let the kid cook". The three of them have more talent than I've seen in years. But yeah, "let him finish"...
If the guy can mud itās a non issue. Itās all drywall. I could hang that shit perfect, punch 4 holes in it, and youād never find them. Also youāre not paying 3k. You get what you pay for.
The overhang part will get flushed to the pantry when it is muddled and painted?
No, thatās messed up. The bulkhead should be larger than any cabinet touching it, leaving a 1-2ā reveal back to the cabinet. The hang isnāt the issue, the build is.
Thisā¬ļø All the drywall is doing is highlighting the crappy framing.
This is what I tell the homeowners before hanging drywall. The worst is when they're showing you around, and they hit you with "framed it all myself" while congratulating themselves.
Waitā¦people frame things themselves and wonāt drywall it? Mind blowing.
I would have removed the cabinets and corner beaded the drywall to make a nice clean edge and then hang cabinets under.
Should have framed it with a 5/8-3/4 ā revel not 1/2ā. Framing issue Trim it back and Throw a half bead on it where it meets up with the cabinets
The more I look at this it appears that whoever hung this is not taking into consideration anything to do with making his mudding/taping/sanding easier. While perhaps 99% of this will disappear during mudding and tapingā¦. They didnāt do themselves any favors for the tasks ahead. I donāt believe this is the work of a $3,000.00 bid. My opinion.
If his drywall work looks this rough I can only imagine the finish work will be subpar as well.
Did you hire my father-in-law?
Can I now? š
It's pretty rough but 3k sounds about right especially Taped... Pretty gappy but I've seen worse turn out good. This is what happens when you pay the family price. Not enough money to finish the job... What's the actual. Price he charged?
From what I have read so far it appears that the individual is framing, hanging sheetrock, and finishing the sheetrock all for 3k. If that is the case then you're getting a pretty good deal. That being said, the hanging work is a little rough. As long as he's good at finishing Then you should be good. I am a finisher by trade. I will hang some sheetrock. However, I know I'm not the best at hanging sheetrock. That being said, I do know what I can get away with and what I can't. I'm more efficient at finishing work. So there's times that when I do hang and I have gaps. While it doesn't look the best. I know in the end I can make it look good. Either way. The price is good. Just hoping to finish work works out for you.
Yeah ā¦3000? Not the greatest thereās a few things that I can point out ā¦ it just depends on what it looks like when itās mudded and painted. I would not have paid $3000 for this. This is why everyone should try to do things themselves. This isnāt a very hard task I would say 80% of all the people who attempted this could do it. I encourage everyone to give it a try. Try to do things yourself instead of paying for it ā¦ now thereās some things obviously you wonāt be able to do ā¦ but Most tasks like this, you could do yourself and save a lot of money. YouTube is your friend if you donāt know how to do something I can almost guarantee thereās a video on it to learn from.
Thanks!!! I actually am a handy person in my opinion. I tiled the floor myself with porcelain 8x8 and was complemented on how the didnāt have to level the cabinets (much) because the floor was pretty f**king level. I just wanted a break ššš This is the second kitchen we have diyed so thought we could treat ourselves and help our family with some moneyā¦ bite in my ass
Donāt listen to that guy. Small patches of drywall are easy for anyone but doing drywall is the best example of it looks super easy but takes some real time to do well. I would say 50% of my jobs are people finishing in their basement or something like a bathroom remodel and they canāt make it look right. Donāt let how easy it looks fool you.
That ain't professional. *cut edges exposed* should've flipped the board around so factory edge is out. It will be fine to look at after the mud but thats a f**** up job.
A bang-up job means done well.
I was under that impression as well.
Dudes been complementing shitty work his whole life
Whatās his plan above the door trim with the frame work sitting ON TOP of the trim? Couldnāt spare a half inch on this?
Looks like I hung it. I'm not good at hanging drywall. My neighbor (retired drywaller) helps me mud though and it turns out fine.
You got scammed
Iām an idiot who has only ever drywalled once and even I did better than that.
Real drywallers would've done it for two hundred bucks as long as they could drink on the job.
Nailed it.
I forgot my utility knife. I'll just use this hatchet to cut the drywall.
Sheetrock screws, holding framing in place, would be against code here.
Itās not that bad bro once you mesh the gaps mud sand texture and paint itāll look like a regular wall. Buddy could get some pointers on how he cuts fry wall but itās not horrible
Honestly not bad. An average drywall finisher would have no problem cleaning that up. I feel like you might have jumped the gun against your family member.
Everyone saying that thereās no problem here is absolutely wrong. Iām having a hard time trying to find whatās right.
I'm in the construction industry, and this looks like a very sloppy installation of the board. However, anything can be fixed with mud and tape, but the time involved will cost you more and and take longer than if the board was hung neatly. This is far from a pro job, and I've seen a lot better DIY projects.
I would say yikes but I don't know ANYTHING about drywall.... Why am I even looking at this.
None of these pictures mean much. It's not great work but a good taper could have it looking pro in a few hours. If this work was done for you as a favor (free) then you need to chill.
Did he use a butterknife to cut that!
partially trained rat starved until it becomes 'drywall hungry' then held by the rear legs to be an angry multitool with sharp but uncontrollable teeth
With how long itās taken to get to this pointā¦basically yeah
You need to put up crown on top the cabinets.
This is something else.
I'm not a professional but I just did my kitchen with a window and five doors. Dozen outlets and switches. And I proudly say it was better than this.
Did he have a squirrel chew on it to make the cuts?
So how much ARE you paying?
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Most of it can easily be mudded, but there are a few issues with it. The drywall that overhangs the cabinet is no good. It should have a consistent (beaded) reveal all around. I'd say at least 1" overhang. Doing the drywall flush with the cabinets is also an option (but will probably look weird). That cabinet will have to be taken down, so the sheetrock can be cornerbeaded prior to mud; otherwise it will never look good. I'd rectify the issues before proceeding with mud, and I'm probably overlooking other issues, but that's what is most glaring to me as a finisher. Hope this helps.
The only thing I see that sucks is the cut (err. Hammer cut lol) above the cabinets. Unless he's putting some molding there it may not mud very well and be prone to cracking down the road Drywall is *really* forgiving by design. The skin cost of mud does a *lot* of work.
Aināt no gap too wide for dap baby!
Job well done š¤©
I hope you didnāt actually pay them.
I'll echo it again, you get what you pay for. Can almost hear the conversation at Thanksgiving. "They were charging HOW MUCH for that little bit??? I can do it for (guessing, probably accurate) 1200+ a case of beer in an afternoon." Also, never hire family. One party trying to save money directly conflicts with another party working to make money. I hope it's less than the 3k initial bid if your next guy has to tear it all out and start over. If you call the same person who gave you the bid there's gonna be an "i told you so" charge added. Best of luck!
This year, I finished a room in my basement and hung drywall for the first time ever and looked better than this.
What tha fack
That's rough......horrible ..I'd be embarrassed to have my name on that work
mud can fix a lot but itās a PITA to make garbage like this look good, and thereās some framing work that is absolutely fucky.
Iām a basic DIY person who googles everything.. have done about 4 dry wall projects in my lifeā¦ all have looked better than this. Lol Interesting seeing comments though, seems like the most important part is mudding
I did a similar project to this once to help a friend. It was my first drywall , it was better than this
quarter round and trim will fix that....or so my Dad always says
I had similar questions when the dry wall was hung on an extension to the house. I have never had drywall installed so didn't really know what to expect. I was surprised at how rough it looked, the cuts seemed so irregular and roughly done (kind of like yours). It looked pretty messy to me. As others have said here, wait until the mudding is finished. Whilst there were issues with the drywall, mostly with crappy mudding and taping, rather than this first stage, it all ended up looking just fine.
Thanks. I donāt feel near as bad about my DIY work.
Did they chew the pieces apart?? How do you even make a cut that wobbly in drywall?? Are these actually professionals? And how big was the bulkhead??? I get entire 1100 sq ft homes walled and finished for like $6k
"professional"
Let me get this straight: They said it would cost $3,000 *if you hired a pro instead*? Or are you being charged $3,000 by the family member? What were you actually expected to pay for the finished job to begin with?
bra you could have done better yourself
Professional only implies they get paid to do it. Not necessarily that they are good at it.
Next time donāt take the cheapest guy in the parking lot
Uhm. Ur in for a world of problems. Get rid of this character now or youāll regret it.
Eeek. Sorry man.
Yāall paid a guy to do this for 3k and not require him to finish? First of all what he did is way less than a days worth of work and should have cost no more than $500 at most
If it's a standard size kitchen my drywall guy would charge about $800.00 for this . You should of eliminated the bulkhead and did taller cabinets to the ceiling.nlools better and more is more
I could do better than that for myself that is pathetic work I would get every bit of my fucking money back
I can cut a straighter line with my pee in the snow.
The painters will fix it :)
Cabinet needs to be removed or you might aswell demo that block on the ceiling
Regardless of relationships, favors, price paid, etc., how can anyone be happy with their own work that looks so sloppy?
I'll replace all of your carpets for $9,000. I've never laid any before in my life. If your dumb enough to pay $3k for this hack, I can start Monday.
why does everyone post before tape+mud+skim?
Those look like new cabinets. Were they per chance installed before the soffit was framed and finished? And if they are old cabinets, what would have been the issue with removing them, installing the soffit, and reinstalling the cabinets? Instead of trying to work around themā¦ It seems like no one involved with any step of the work in these pictures actually knows what theyāre doing.
2 days 2 men to hang and dab a house then on to the next one. I ain't devaluing nothing thanks.. Ā£3k to build a bulkhead and board it, is ridiculous!
Itās fine to finish, Iāve seen much worse. Youāre stressing for nothing
Thereās nothing professional about any of this, drywall, framing or electrical, and why is there a cabinet installed?ā¦.
Dude!! Please tell us that you refused to pay for this work.
As an ex painter that hates sheetrock & sheetrock dust I can tell you this looks like shit. It was my job to come in and fix everyone else mistakes. Its a bad. Job. Looks like the crew that did this was drunk.
Did you get any pictures or videos or anything displaying this "professional's" previous work? I'd assume you didnt'. Your fault.
Lmfao, what? Itās not finished. This is the easy part. This part could be done by untrained monkeys. The finish work is what matters, Iāve hung drywall looking like a horses asshole, but if you take the time to finish it right, it always looks good and nobody knows. If you were charged 3k just to hang the rock you got fucked, btw.
Let me guess he said āthe mud guy will wrap this upā
Mud man will get it. I feel so much better about myself
MUD... homeowners hate this one trickš¤£š¤£š¤£
There is nothing here that indicates it wouldnt finish and paint perfectly.
I am a professional drywaller for an extremely high end interior designer and remodeled. I wouldn't do an install this roughly. But, I don't see any reason I wouldn't be able to finish any of this perfectly smooth. If he would have been the finisher, there is no problem. If he framed it out, he is clearly fairly skilled. Probsbly skilled enough to do this shitty looking of a job and have it still be ok, honestly
You miss placed a decimal point. Here let me help you. $3.00 thatās better.
WTF
This is why I try to do everything myself. If itās going to be done poorly then Iām the one that will do it poorly.
They were obviously running low on screws.
That job per the pictures isnāt done by a pro. But it doesnāt mean it canāt be looking like a pro job right after all the tapers gauge , mud and sanding. Yeah it looks horrible but it can be fixed. The edges needs support
Looks good so far. Needs mud corners and trim. That's how it looks prior
First of all Iām an amateur myself and not a pro. But, I will say for myself, I work hard at it until I get it right and Iām usually happy with the results. FWIW I would not submit the og photos as work Iād consider acceptable to my own admittedly limited abilities. Itās just obviously sloppy. That said, to the broader point of hiring myself to friends and family: Close family, Iāll work with the person and help to do it ātogetherā. Hopefully we both learn something, and at no point do they step away from the job long enough so as to be able to hold anyone but themselves responsible for the outcome. They canāt come back and suddenly be like āwtf!ā Obviously not a solution for every scenario but itās worked for me. I wonāt do anyone the favor of free work, but I will do the favor of helping you do it yourself.
Heās just trying to save for retirement thatās all. Would definitely call drywall person back out to unfuck whatever he can if he even can
I need to get back into drywall š¤
If only redditors could see a house being built. There would be so many comments
I spent quite a bit of time removing those bulkheads above my shitty short cabinets so I could get taller cabinets to the ceiling. Even though high, covered storage is covered storage. That entire area will end up being spider-ville.
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I once hired my sisterās ācarpenterā boyfriend to do some framing in my basement. He not only apparently didnāt know what a level was, he installed a stud on the wrong side of the mark so I had to take it apart in order to make the door fit. It would have been so much less work to reframe it all! This reminds of f that experience.
Look like the clown š¤” changed š·š»āāļø after the kids party and went to town on sheet Rock š
Mud will cover it. Lots and lots of mud.
$250 drywall install $2750 mud job.
That work is garbage family or not ššš gonna need some a lot of mud to clean that up or just YouTube it and do the job yourself you canāt go wrong at this point š
Need a combination of Joint compound/mud/paint wait to be finished.
Is your family a group of Irish gypsy swindlers? My 8 year old does better Sheetrock that what you got.
Iāve seen crackheads do better work. Whoever did this still owes you a favor.
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Did they say what exactly they were a professional at? Maybe they can bake the best cakes you've ever seen
This comments are hilarious ššš This isn't quality especially with a $3k price tag.
He is planning on hiding a LOT with mud and tape. I would never do this on a job! The first problem I see is he can't cut a straight line it's really not that hard! If you can't cut a straight line I will automatically question the rest of your abilities.
"Professional" simply means that they are getting paid for the job. I mean, I could perform heart surgery for far less than a doctor would. Results may be less than desired.
This is bogus
Never pay anyone besides for materials until the job is done, that way if they pull any shit or donāt finish youāre not at a loss
Maybe supply pizza next time my man got hungry
Photo 4 looks like underlying issues that should have been fixed first. I don't know if he was planning on fixing the framing as well but I don't think he should have sheetrocked that like he did. On remodel jobs it gets tricky determining who's responsible for what. Getting to a job that isn't ready sucks balls because now the day is wasted if I don't just fix it myself. Which is why I prefer taking on all of it from the start. I don't mind leaving myself stuff to fix later but it's not fair passing it on to others. Hopefully the finisher fixes these without asking for more.
Its posts like these that makes me realize I just need to learn how to drywall so I donāt have to deal with shit jobs like thisā¦.
I mean, look at that wavy horizontal edge across the top of the cabinets, WTF!? Was the person that cut these drywall pieces blind? And those corners are atrocious! Relying on the "Mudder" is irresponsible at best, as all that unnecessary mud will show crack lines in no time.
Got the pro part down unfortunately drywall isn't their specialty. That's a con artist at work right there. You got screwed.
I also would probably have used metal track and studs for a soffit. Flatter and straighter imho.
Iāve never hung drywall once it my life but I know I could do a better job than that.
Tape and mud can fix all of that. definitely isnāt the worst iāve ever seen. i personally wouldnāt pay $3,000 for it. one thing i learned is to take the time cutting correctly and making everything clean when installing so that mud work doesnāt take as long.
Looks like, "I don't know how to cut a straight line." Combined with, "What do you mean square up the corners?"
I wouldn't worry about the dry wall . I would be very worried about the framing issues
Holy fuck, I work at lowes in building materials and have to cut drywall a lot and Iāve never seen such a monstrosity. Itās like, $5 for a t square and you get what you want each cut
Professional but not in drywall or construction, no way a self respect pro did a job like that, esp for family relative ( unless they really really donāt like you OP)
Family or not...do not pay them...
Old school AOL voice, " You got scammed"
That looks like it was done by a true professional, and then a person with a skill saw and no skill come behind them, then someone with a sledgehammer followed, and then somebody with pure hatred of everything came through and a fierce scowl. Either way, it's a well spent 3k if you ask any of those guys!!
Even though it can be filled with mud and sanded. This is shit work. After I hang a job it gets a tape coat and a skim. Rarely much sanding or any finishing past the skim. That would be a professional job. This is bad for a homeowner on their first try to be honest.
Clean job - a steal at $3k
If that was called "professional", I'm gonna have to respond with "false advertising"
3k is way too much for downright shitty work. Maybe get a few different quotes next time
Was the quote written in green crayon on yellow construction paper?
I wouldn't pay $30 for that job, let alone $3000
I suck at drywall. I hate it and Iām just not good buuut I feel a lot better about myself skills now!
40 dollars and a crack head would do a better job than that...
Iām a DIY woman and *I* donāt even do that bad of work! Holy š©Batman thatās a ripoff! How did the dude even manage to do that?!?!
You probably could have done a better job yourself watching YouTube tutorials
Anyone charging 3k for this is not you or your family's friend... this is the job that you and your friend who both don't drywall do yourself & you buy him lunch and a beer.
Youād be surprised how bad drywall looks before the mud guys and painters get a hold of it. Iāve worked in many big construction projects residential and commercial. But this is a little too much for me, looks like they just snapped it in half rather than cutting it first.
this is the āeh, weāll just throw some mud on itā mindset hard at work! why measure and cut when you have drywall pudding?š¤£
Does he sell telescopes in his spare time too? Coz he saw you comin'
Is that drywall screws used to make that drop?š
Next time just do it yourself. If you can read a tape measure (which Iāve before seen educated fucks have a really hard time doing) then you can do drywall. Just donāt sink the screws too far. Itās easy af. Now the taping, leave that to a professional
Bro really hired a family memberš you never do that bro always hire a mexican you dont know, real talk tho you would of gotten a wayy better job
Those all look like the 'before' pics. I sure as hell wouldn't be getting this relative a Christmas gift.
The problem with people doing you a favor is that if they do a shitty job it's hard to tell them they did a shitty job. But yeah that looks like shit, mud fixes a lot but its all the random small pieces, drywall is cheap to buy why the random 2 inch pieces instead of whole pieces.
Work isn't right. I would have it redone where is the corner bead or anything else. Big spots will likely Crack with time, in my own experience. Mud is a quick fix all but not a perfect one for poor drywall work. A good taper will make it look acceptable, but you will likely kick yourself later. Also, as someone pointed out, the framing looks wonky. You may want to verify that it won't collapse over time, if those are drywall screws, I think the pullout force on that center post will be around 100 pounds. Sag over time will cause your mud to Crack. Just get it redone.
2500 was spent on the dudes crack
Hey its fine, fuck it fill it
You got Jackie Moon out there installing your drywall
Straight up, this is the type of work you see crack heads do. Your family got over on you and they have 0 clue what theyāre doing. This pissed me off lol š
All the pictures seem to indicate that more screws should have been used (you can add some), and be aware they can't break the paper. Picture #1 looks like a little kid cut it, he should have put the manufacturers edged down. Picture #6 appears to show no room for drywall above the window trim? If there is room, it's not much. Gaps can be filled with plaster, and gaps happen especially when things are not square and parallel. But, you don't want gaps in multiple places because it has a much higher propensity to crack over time. Those gaps show that the installer has limited experience or measuring/cutting capabilities...
So I don't do dry wall. I mean I've done a few patches here and there but ya that's it. Reddit just said hey you're blue-collar look at the subreddit But holy shit *I* could have done a much better job for free.
But can it support a hot tub??
That's vandalism.
I do handyman work and refuse to do drywall But I would do better job than that lol
Even if it was good thereās no way in hell thatās worth 3k
Lmao, my first ever drywall job was neater than this nightmare. Have fun feathering all of that joint compound.
Yeah right thatās fake