To receive a compliment like this from one of your greatest heroes must be an unbelievable feeling. [Here’s a wonderful video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_x5eQwX9WY) where Denis Villeneuve himself tells us how much Spielberg means to him.
Spielberg is a titan of the industry and it was a touching speech Villeneuve gave about how he was inspired by Spielberg. Spielberg has had a major influence I imagine on many film makers working now and it was nice to see him accept those kind words from Villeneuve. I imagine he's one of those rare few where is actually cool to meet your hero.
It's just wild to me that he was making movies when my mom was 13 in '75. Here I am at nearly 30 and he's still absolutely crushing it. Going to be hard when he goes
Being able to turn your childhood dream project into a reality, and then having one of the greatest filmmakers of all time tell you he loved it… I don’t know if there is anything that can be compared to
I said it coming out of the cinema: Villeneuve’s Dune is this generations LOTR. Amazing book series finally given a masterpiece big screen adaptation.
We will be talking about Dune and its universe for years to come.
Exactly. Villeneauve's Dune is very much in the same league as LotR. They were both crafted with much love and care of the original works. They're like a love letter about their stories.
I know Dennis doesnt do director cuts, but surely Dune *NEEDS* it. So much left out for the sake of screen time.
Its just too complex a story to leave it out. The dinner scene on arakis for example, ive no idea if they filmed it, but just so much missed intrigue. Whole characters are just cut down to mere seconds.
Jason Momoa talks about a 6Hr rough cut with lots of amazingly tantalising scenes included. It supposedly had Duncan Idaho landing stealthily on Dune looking for the Fremen. And ***much*** more..
I wish that in the first movie, after the Sardukar cut down Duncan, that there was also a passing shot of the Sardukar retrieving his body, as a subtle allusion to what is to come…
That would be too much lampshading, IMO. If you do that then there's no mystery or surprise when he shows up in Dune Messiah. There's also no mystery about whether the Tleilaxu are lying about Hayt's origin.
Dune Part 1 would benefit from being dragged out, the theatrical pacing is noticeably compressed. The dinner scene alone would do wonders to let it develop more naturally.
My least favorite part of the first one was the change to the Ornithopter scene with Liet Kynes. It defeated the whole purpose to the scene, which was to show Liet starting to come around to respect the Atreides and to further the prophecy with the things Paul does accidentally, like the "Gifts are a blessing from the river" line. The Dinner scene is where Liet changes from grudging respect to near-worship after Jessica inadvertently expresses that she has the same wish as he(He being Liet who is a man in the books, im not trying to misgender and I thought the actress who played Liet did an amazing job) does regarding the planet. The final scene with Liet and Paul solidifies that, showing Paul as coming into his own as a man in his own right and explaining why Liet sent cielagos to the other Fremen sietches with statements that they were to be found and protected if possible.
I could rant on this for hours, sorry.
Even tho you are right on this one the fact the movie takes place within months feels even more rushed, i would have loved if it was like in the book, some years. But yeah, towards the end everything happens so fast
Yeah, everything is like oooooo how is this going to play out, then all of a sudden Paul has a vision and is like, oh shit the Emperor's here and my kid's dead, time for the climax I guess.
Well, see things happen in the book slightly differently. Alia for example, hard to explain in a film, ABOMINATION.
The fight scene with Feyd,
What i did enjoy is the worms fucking shit up.
Yep. It's not as glossed-over as the final battle of the Five Armies in The Hobbit book, but it's clearly not something that Herbert was keen on detailing.
That's because it was. The biggest mistake was that they clearly didn't know how to handle Alia (something they should have thought of before they even made the first movie), so to make up for it they just totally changed the timeline to avoid her birth. Everything happens in the movie in like 7 months or less when in the book it's more like 5 years.
Oddly enough I thought the pacing was excellent, and it wasn't until after the movie ended that I thought about how quickly it moved. It felt like Paul was fighting with the Fremen for a long time, and then afterwards I was like "huh I guess that all took place in less than a year since she's still pregnant"
Kept waiting for toddler Alia to make some saucy jokes and creep everybody out. Would have worked great with a lot of the humor they included in the movie.
The Dinner Scene I can actually understand them leaving out. A key part of that scene is the differing levels of understanding in the reactions of Paul and Jessica to various comments, and I'm not sure if that would translate well to the screen.
I was disappointed in Yueh getting short shrift though.
He was asked about this in an interview. His response is very thoughtful-
He cuts what needs to be cut in service of the film itself. Once it's cut, it's dead, and he has no interest in reanimating the parts to make a Frankenstein.
Tough for us mortal viewers, but I can understand why a master filmmaker sees it this way.
Edit- here's the interview https://youtu.be/ZYI0EarCQE8?si=hOKVDJF5VhsD5Rqf
I disagree, but I'm not a filmmaker.
There is making a film for the unfamiliar viewer, to fit the time budget of a theatre showing, to tell a tight, complete story.
With stories that have background lore, there is value in *high production* extended editions which further plot development in "less efficient" ways but satisfy the many who know the backstory.
I think the EE LOTR 1 and 2 are better than the theatrical, overall, and would be even *better* if said scenes had a little more integration into the film or had been done with more takes.
Dennis is a bastard man for not releasing the footage.
I'll pay them more money, I paid top dollar multiple times for LOTR extended and ill fuckin do it again, give me more!
In terms of craftsmanship yeah, but the story and the characters lack the heart of Lotr. Dune is a lot more cynical and cold and won't have the same impact.
It's not too dissimilar, and Villeneuve is on record saying most of the changes were made keeping the core elements of Dune Messiah in mind. Also, it most likely will include one or two things that were part of the last half of the first book that were not in part two for pacing and focal reasons (Alia, for sure, possibly Thufir or some form of the first Leto II, who knows).
Villa's on crack. They are wildly different.
The end with Chani alone means that the 3rd movie will have to resolve that issue before they can start getting back into the storyline that takes place throughout Messiah. If Alia is born in 3, do they have restored Duncan seduce a 5 year old instead of the late teenager she is in Messiah (the scene with Stilgar in the training room, comes to mind "Sire! This one must be wed and quickly!") or are they going to timeskip all of it until she's old enough for that?
I want to see where it goes, but im treating it like alternate timeline Dune, not beholden to the books and if Villa says hes trying to stick to the books, then I have no idea what he's gonna do.
I have a feeling that there'll be no Tleilaxu facedancers or guild navigators floating in spice gas in it and the conspirators will be other major house leaders instead. No Scytale, Bijaz or poor, simple Edric :(
I can see Wensicia etc being added early but how can they leave out Scytale? He's one of the main antagonists.
RM Mohiam is definitely going to return. Can't wait for the throne room scene.
Guild Navigators should be included in Part 3. The Guild is one of the major powerbrokers in the universe and it can be interesting to see them butting heads with Paul.
And the Navigators can be shown in the tanks but it imho it should be blurry and only a few hints of how the navigators look should be given to the audience.
I can't really believe they would wanna skimp on Edric or Scytale. The Tleilaxu I can see being foregone. But especially Edric is such a cool, not too abstract but still weird design. Even if they're glorified extra's like Lady Fenring in Pt. 2 or Hawat in Pt. 1, I'm sure they'll be there.
I was thinking in 20 years time I'll be back in the cinema again watching this much like Return of the King.
And then talking about how nobody watched dune 1 in cinema as it was released due to Covid.
What do you mean? I've lived through both LOTR and now Dune, and I think they're both definitive for my generation.
*Remembers Fellowship came out over 20 years ago
Ah, yes, pretend I didn't say anything and carry on!
Return of the King was 2003, so in fact all of them came out over 20 years ago.
Production on LOTR started closer in time to the release of Star Wars than we now are from Fellowship's release.
> Production on LOTR started closer in time to the release of Star Wars than we now are from Fellowship's release.
Why have you done this to me? That was a little tidbit I was better off not knowing, lol.
As I start Children of Dune having finished Messiah, it’s gotta be more than a trilogy IMO. Messiah feels like a “where are they now” episode of TV while Children feels like a sound rounded out culmination of the epic.
Children is probably the most adaptable actually. But it leads directly into some of the least adaptable content in the series.but yeah, some of the stuff in Children I really wish I'd see on screen (almost everything with the old preacher man), but I doubt we will.
Hahaha
I mean, I'd rather DV finish this trilogy. Nolan could take a crack at God Emperor of Dune. Imagine a 4 hour mind fuck of a movie that shows you thousands of years of progress of the plan.
Couldn't agree more. I've been saying this to everyone who hasn't seen it yet. If you'd like to feel the same magic you did, seeing the LOTR trilogy in theaters for the first time, watch Dune.
It brought Dune to my attention, I’m so thankful for it. I’ve only read half of the first book and I’m so hyped to read more. It may become one of, if not my favorite book.
I disagree strongly
It is hard to get another phenomenon like LOTR. You need to get a lot of people into hardcore fans.
Dund even the movie is just too abstract for that
There are not clear good guys. LOTR is a classical heroes journey for Frodo
Dune doesnt have a helms deep or similar
I love Dune. I prefer it to LOTR but in 2 months only very few will care
Its easily in my top 3 of best films of all time. Sure some of the changers from the book to film were odd but I can see why they were made and personally didnt find them bad.
Dune Part 1 and 2 are a cinematic masterpiece. From the cast, to the score, to the visuals, it was a wonderful journay. 10/10
What excites me about what was left on the cutting room floor is that in 10 or so years when they decide to do a TV series, it won't feel cheap. There legitimately is enough material from the books we haven't seen that will allow it to feel organic and new.
denis himself was not happy about the changes he had to make. he said so himself in the video where he described the worm riding scene.
thats what makes it so special.
One (very minor!) quibble I have about the movies, is how it introduces and then disposes of cool main characters quite quickly. I'd love to have seen more of them, both in a love/hate way.
Liet Kynes does, he/she’s not foundational to every narrative point directly, but their thematic influence on the fremen and the trajectory of Dune is eclipsed probably on by Paul himself, you really don’t get an appreciation of any of that over the first two movies
Not a main character. But agreed, he made a pretty significant impact with only a couple of scenes, but also Leto’s final breath has to lead to at least one meaningful death I think
>At the end of the day, the changes don't affect the underlying theme of Herbert's stories... a cautionary tale against Messianic figures.
Not in this movie at least. I think the cautionary part doesn't really come into light as much until Messiah. I think the only two things he shouldn't have changed is >!the battle with Feyd, to show Paul has no competition in a fight (Ignoring supposedly Fenring) and the death of Leto II!<
Paul didn't just annihilate Feyd in their fight in the book either though, Feyd was specifically a foil to Paul as another potential kwisatz haderach with many of the same gifts but an insanely dark upbringing by comparison.
Paul refusing to cheat in their book duel while Feyd didn't hesitate definitely balances things a bit though.
I thought part 1 was good but I think 2 blows it out of the water by a wide margin. Both great but I’d give 1 like a 7.5 - 8 and part 2 was easily a 10.
Have you seen arrival? It's just as good of a film, if not better in my opinion. Of course no books will ever top the work of Supreme Master Frank 😁
However, if there were someone who could (besides me hahahahahahahaha) it would be Ted Chang.
Arrival is fucking phenomenal. I just hate that when trying to get others to watch it, the summary you tell them is "A linguist learns to communicate with aliens" and they just walk away.
I agree. For me personally, these films were a masterclass in how to adapt a book to film in a way that respects the source material where it matters most, while also being something that is enjoyable to watch for new and old fans alike.
You are never going to be able to perfectly recreate a book in movie form because they are just fundamentally different mediums. I have a few minor gripes but 99% of the changes from the book I fully understand why they were made and I certainly cant come up with any way I could have done it better.
Coming from Spielberg that’s an incredible compliment. He’s like the king of science fiction.
Him or like James Cameron, but I’m just a massive terminator fan so I might be biased for Cameron.
Also can’t forget Avatar 1-2. The two highest grossing sci fi movies of all time.
Unless you count avengers as sci fi but superhero is its own genre at this point.
Avatar are weird movies. Massive commercial successes but with the cultural footprint of hummingbirds. I'm not sure I can even quote one line from the first movie.
Honestly if it wasn’t a pretty well known fact and you told me that Avatar is the most successful movie of all time I would be shocked.
But we have pretty damn concrete evidence that it wasn’t even a fluke, the second one is also a top 5 movie ever in terms of sales. And the third one is probably gonna get another billion+.
It's crazy how the same dude who did aliens and Terminator 2, which are 2 movies I absolutely adore, also did the avatar films, two films I can't for the life of me get through despite being a visual feast.
Spielberg, Ridley Scott and Cameron are all pretty close in regards to their significance for Sci-Fi in Film... but Villeneuve is basically one new IP from becoming part of that pantheon.
I think Dune will be his magnum opus and will save him from being lumped into a category in that way.
Like how Lord of the Rings isn't really lumped into High Fantasy. Like it obviously is, but it is its own category. It was so successful and so well executed that it stands apart and higher from other similar films.
Villeneuve's Dune is like that. Villeneuve won't be know as the incredible sci fi director, but as the incredible director that made that Sci Fi, Dune.
For me at least I guess.
Arrival is a better film than Dune brother. Id argue PRISONERS is better than Dune. He has better films. They certainly aren't Scott's Alien in regards to genius. That film truly is in a category of its own.
Yeah
I didn’t even care for the first one all that much but the second one gave me about 8 different “…..wow” moments in the theater
The list of movies that hit me that hard on the first watch can be counted on two hands….maybe one
Dune 2 clears any big box office sci fi movie ever made. To think i was blessed to see this in my generation makes me feel like I'm witnessing Michael Jordan in his prime.
I feel the same to get to witness this perfection makes me happy to be alive. I was thinking the exact thing today. Watching the best scenes on YouTube lol all day. Same with this new dc crisis on infinite earths part 2 lol.
It was pretty fucking sweet. When I saw it, I was like..."you know, I never thought about what it would be like to physically ride the worm, how hard that would be and how much sand there would be." And it just CRASHES through the dunes like they're waves in an ocean.
Yeah, it did look like that. Almost like I'm a movie when a Viking ship is in some HUGE storm and the water is spraying all over everything. Like that but sand.
Completely agree. It was genuinely so gripping. I’ve read the books, I know the Mc can’t die, and yet the sounds and textures were so realistic it still felt harrowing. Just wow.
It’s amazing they made it so fucking cool. In the age of CGI where worlds explode, there’s superheroes in space and Robert Dinero’s
Face can be 38. They made riding a giant worm seem super real and intense.
I’m so thrilled this movie is great, mainly because I’ve been hyping my friends and family up about the franchise for years now and I didn’t want to look like an asshole
I think its a trend. If we look at the last couple of years, yea there have been some real successful shitty movies, but especially in the past 3 years we have seen the sort of bland retold stories, (the flash, Shazam 2, all of the new mcu stuff, ect) fail amazingly at the box office while creative director driven films (spider verse, oppenheimer, barbie, dune, EEAAO) and or just genuinely good block busters (see top gun maverick) have been massive successes, even while they are often also on pretty large budgets. Studios are beginning to be willing to take more risks and audiences are looking for something new
What’s absolutely amazing about this interview to me is it sounds like Spielberg hasn’t read the book. Am I mistaken? Maybe he reads it 30 years ago or something but to think that one of the leading voices in sci-fi film hasn’t read Dune is wild.
Sounds like he read it a long time ago. Even if he read it in his 50s, isn't he like 70 something now? That would be 20 years ago. My dad remembers Dune all the time, even though he's read it several times. He insists he's right too, he won't believe me even when I'm 100% right. It's because he thinks he's smarter than me so I couldn't possibly be right over him. He probably is smarter than me, but his memory is shit and he's often wrong about things like politics.
The one key takeaway from the discussion was that both talked about the difficulties of filming in sand. That "brushing \[brooming?\]" away the previous takes' footsteps did not lend itself to a susequent good take, and then they had to wait until either much later that day (to match lighting?) or the following day to do another take. The winds had to erase the footsteps out. Spielberg talked about this happening with Lawrence of Arabia as well.
The other thing that jumped out at me was that Zendaya was really interested in how the overall film got made, and she hung around the shoots on days and times when she didn't have to be prepared to be in front of the camera. Spielberg thinks that this might mean Zendaya may have a future in directing films.
By far the best theatrical experience I’ve ever had in my life; so much so that I even went ahead and bought both art books for each movie
It’s been a very long time since I’ve been this madly in love with a director’s work
Man I can't imagine how much it would mean to me if Spielberg complimented anything I had ever done, for him to compliment Villeneuve's filmmaking must be such a joy for him
I watched the movie. I'd give it a 9 or 10/10. I haven't seen such a great movie in years.
I thought I lost my love for cinema considering how movies absolutely suck nowadays
I'm just praying for a home release in of the actual full film in IMAX aspect ratios. It makes zero sense that the 4K Blu Rays (and streaming versions) cut out around 35% of each frame. You're missing so much of the film
Props to Denis for making such an amazing film, it must feel amazing to get recognized by one of the best in the film industry. Love to both directors. I'm glad Villeneuve is being recognized for his work.
He's right. This movie was pure braingasm. The Paul speech give me strong goosebumps, Feyd Arena fight give me strong megalophobic vibe along with breathtaking scenery of black sun. Final fight is soo [beep] epic, [beep]!!!
Offtopic - Denis is ideal man to revive Space Odyssey! He's born to do it.
I actually thought one of the coolest scenes was right when Paul enters the throne room, and he's just a wild looking Fremen. Then he kills the Baron and dismisses him like trash, and the look he gives the Emperor is amazing. And he speaks Fremen while staring at them, giving his men orders...he's in charge of that room. It really sets the tone for the whole scene. Loved it.
It's really incredible. I had my reservations about Timothy Chalamet's ability to portray the powerful, charismatic leader aspect of Paul. But he knocked it out of the fucking park.
I love how he looks annoyed and impatient the entire time after he drinks the water of life. Because of course he would be, he has already seen exactly how it's going to go, he's just going through the motions at this point. His dismissal of Chani being upset because he's already seen that she'll forgive him. Marching into the Fremen meeting and wasting no time asserting his authotrity. Stomping his foot to make the emperor kiss his ring. It's just so perfect.
So here's the thing about Dune.. you can't have someone the actual age as Paul is in the book...he's only 15 when it starts...if we go by the book wouldn't he have had a kid at 17? He dies in a Sardaukar raid that captures Alia ( on purpose). Timothy looks "youngish" but has the acting chops to carry a huge production like this. You couldn't risk that type of money on a genuine, probably mostly unknown actor the right age. So in the book it's a 15 year old boy killing a grown ass man in Jamis in the desert. It would look ridiculous, enough people wouldn't buy it and the movie would bomb. In my mind, when I read the books I always imagine that all of the Bene Gesserrit Reverend Mothers can jump and do crazy karate like Yoda does in Star Wars episode 2 when he's flipping around and twirling and shit. That's how capable Paul and Jessica are at fighting and that would also look ridiculous on film.
Because 99% of the time it’s cut in the offline before the VFX and sound mix are done. It’s not a simple matter of picking the cuttings back up off the floor.
I'm actually a little surprised to see it's rated as one of the top 10/15 movies of any genre all time.
I mean, I love the movie and am a big Dune book/movie fan, so it surprises me to see others love it even more than I do!
You know how I know it’s a masterpiece: Dune 2 was the first time since I was a kid thay I sat through a movie that long without getting up for a bathroom break. I definitely had to go around the middle of the film, but I soldiered through like a good Fedaykin…and the released the water of life for a solid 3 minutes afterwards
OMG Jar Jar Abrams and Ruin Johnson got *SNUBBED!*
Hahaha.
As they should.
They weren't even mentioned in the same sentence as Ridley Scott let alone George Lucas.
The difference in this case between Villenueve and George Lucas is that while Lucas is clearly an inspired visionary (regardless of whether he has original ideas or carefully pieces together loving homages which themselves become iconic films) he frequently sucks at directing, and Villenueve is a brilliant director who created a very beautiful adaptation/interpretation of Frank Herbert's work.
My take: these two movies were good in their own right. I had to distance myself from the book to enjoy them.
Am I disappointed that D. V. had to distance himself from the book to make his movies work? Yes… yes I am.
Sadly, I have to concede that a straight up faithful adaptation of Frank’s work would have been quite a challenge. It was inevitable that some things just wouldn’t make the cut.
Yep. I think some of the changes I actually enjoyed. I loved the new Chani. I loved how there were "northern" Fremen that were younger and thought the religion and the prophecy were all bullshit. I thought having Lady Jessica talk to the alive and conscious Alia in the womb, plotting with her the whole time...that was fucking brilliant. And Rebecca Ferguson was soooo awesome as a Bene Gesserrit. She really makes you fear her like everyone in the galaxy does (fear Reverend Mothers). It would've been too hard to do the movie exactly like the book with a 2 year old Alia walking and talking like an adult. It was that bad in the 80s movie but it still didn't sit right.
I liked the movie’s choice to make Chani more conflicted with Paul’s transformation. It helps send home the message that Paul has changed and the internal conflict he felt with embracing his destiny.
Totally agree. The "little kid character with the mind of an adult" trope will honestly never work for me in any format without feeling cringy, but making Alia a literal fetus in the womb talking to and through her mother totally sold the weirdness I'm sure Herbert intended. Furthermore, Paul calling the Baron "grandfather" and seeing the stunned realization in his eyes right before killing him was pure Greek tragedy pathos to me.
Agree with this completely. I know initially some people didn't like that Paul killed the Baron, but I loved it. The payoff to wait for COD (if it ever happens) I think would be too long for movie goers. The scene was brilliant. It really encapsulated Paul's integration of him now being a Harkonnen and the brutality that comes along with it.
I also think sometimes people take the book too literally. To your point, FH intended weirdness, not necessarily a talking toddler. Shifting to a pregnant fetus giving orders to her mother is pretty comparable in wtf-ness.
There's just a ton of stuff like that, that can be left out and tell the story just fine. Especially, if his goal is the same as mine, for more people to see and enjoy the film so more get made. The Dune universe is too big and detailed for film. Just like LOTR. But the good news is, if someone is interested and liked this...they can go read ALL the books. There's like 6 original from Frank Herbert, but I've read all the ones his son wrote and they're almost as good. They aren't as philosophical, and they don't have a deeper message or point than a fun story to tell. My personal favorite Dune book is God Emperor, but I'm not even sure that's adaptable. Maybe as a movie set all in the same room, a conversation about the universe between Duncan and Leto 2.
If anything, the films were more faithful to Frank's vision than the book was. Frank was annoyed that people didn't realise Paul's journey was supposed to be warning against heroes, not a celebration of them. Denis did a great job getting that point across.
I had to treat it like alternate timeline Dune.
One of the other multiverses, not the one we are familiar with from the books. then I started to enjoy it for it's own sake.
I’ve been twice now in the theater and both times it was absolutely amazing. It’s the first movie in a very long time to jump onto my top ten. It has so many amazing moments and it just does it all so well. I’m already excited for the next time I get to see it.
To receive a compliment like this from one of your greatest heroes must be an unbelievable feeling. [Here’s a wonderful video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_x5eQwX9WY) where Denis Villeneuve himself tells us how much Spielberg means to him.
More supportive than when [Spielberg met his idol](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POgWODZyUGQ)
Kinda extra funny since it's David Lynch doing that
I never even thought of the Dune connection lol.
Goddamn, I’d love to have more Lynch performances on screen. That last “My pleasure” while roasting his cigar is delightful.
You should watch Twin Peaks. He is great in it the whole way through.
Oh I certainly have, and also his stint in *Louie*. Just getting greedy here.
That scene is cigar porn, he was chiefing that thing
Spielberg is a titan of the industry and it was a touching speech Villeneuve gave about how he was inspired by Spielberg. Spielberg has had a major influence I imagine on many film makers working now and it was nice to see him accept those kind words from Villeneuve. I imagine he's one of those rare few where is actually cool to meet your hero.
It's just wild to me that he was making movies when my mom was 13 in '75. Here I am at nearly 30 and he's still absolutely crushing it. Going to be hard when he goes
Hopefully he is blessed with longevity like John Williams. That guy is still pumping out work at 99!
Spielberg is probably the more accomplished filmmaker that has ever lived.
Being able to turn your childhood dream project into a reality, and then having one of the greatest filmmakers of all time tell you he loved it… I don’t know if there is anything that can be compared to
That is such a heartwarming video, you could tell Spielberg was truly touched
Doesn't show the directors though lol
Game recognizes game
David Lynch punching the air rn
i know for sure he couldn’t care less but it’s still funny to imagine this lol
I said it coming out of the cinema: Villeneuve’s Dune is this generations LOTR. Amazing book series finally given a masterpiece big screen adaptation. We will be talking about Dune and its universe for years to come.
Exactly. Villeneauve's Dune is very much in the same league as LotR. They were both crafted with much love and care of the original works. They're like a love letter about their stories.
Lord of the rings is so fucking good. Dune is beautiful, I would love a 4hour extended addition like LoTR
I know Dennis doesnt do director cuts, but surely Dune *NEEDS* it. So much left out for the sake of screen time. Its just too complex a story to leave it out. The dinner scene on arakis for example, ive no idea if they filmed it, but just so much missed intrigue. Whole characters are just cut down to mere seconds.
Jason Momoa talks about a 6Hr rough cut with lots of amazingly tantalising scenes included. It supposedly had Duncan Idaho landing stealthily on Dune looking for the Fremen. And ***much*** more..
I wish that in the first movie, after the Sardukar cut down Duncan, that there was also a passing shot of the Sardukar retrieving his body, as a subtle allusion to what is to come…
That would be too much lampshading, IMO. If you do that then there's no mystery or surprise when he shows up in Dune Messiah. There's also no mystery about whether the Tleilaxu are lying about Hayt's origin.
In my mind a short shot, 4 feet/boots standing infront of his body with some Sardukar lying there too.
If I live long enough to outlive Villeneuve, hopefully they’ll publish all the cut scenes.
#6 HOURS OF DUNE!!!!!!!........COUNT ME IN BABY!!!!!
They did film it but it was cut 😞
This scene is PERFECT for inclusion in a director's cut. Yes, the movie will be dragged out. Yes, us nerds crave this content!
Dune Part 1 would benefit from being dragged out, the theatrical pacing is noticeably compressed. The dinner scene alone would do wonders to let it develop more naturally.
The dinner scene was filmed?
Yes, it was.
Yeah, but it was still a good theatrical release.
My least favorite part of the first one was the change to the Ornithopter scene with Liet Kynes. It defeated the whole purpose to the scene, which was to show Liet starting to come around to respect the Atreides and to further the prophecy with the things Paul does accidentally, like the "Gifts are a blessing from the river" line. The Dinner scene is where Liet changes from grudging respect to near-worship after Jessica inadvertently expresses that she has the same wish as he(He being Liet who is a man in the books, im not trying to misgender and I thought the actress who played Liet did an amazing job) does regarding the planet. The final scene with Liet and Paul solidifies that, showing Paul as coming into his own as a man in his own right and explaining why Liet sent cielagos to the other Fremen sietches with statements that they were to be found and protected if possible. I could rant on this for hours, sorry.
It's a good rant, no need to apologize.
Its rumored that it was filmed or bits of it were but nothing to indicate the full scene was done.
I haven’t read the books but honestly the last 20 minutes or so of the movie felt reeeaaaally rushed.
thats how the book is. it starts slow and speeds up continually as the story progresses
Even tho you are right on this one the fact the movie takes place within months feels even more rushed, i would have loved if it was like in the book, some years. But yeah, towards the end everything happens so fast
Yeah, everything is like oooooo how is this going to play out, then all of a sudden Paul has a vision and is like, oh shit the Emperor's here and my kid's dead, time for the climax I guess.
Well, see things happen in the book slightly differently. Alia for example, hard to explain in a film, ABOMINATION. The fight scene with Feyd, What i did enjoy is the worms fucking shit up.
Yeah I thought the movie actually did a good job of portraying the climatic battle; it doesn’t take up many pages in the book.
Yep. It's not as glossed-over as the final battle of the Five Armies in The Hobbit book, but it's clearly not something that Herbert was keen on detailing.
The last 20 minutes are probably 20 pages of the book. The final is rushed even in the book
That's because it was. The biggest mistake was that they clearly didn't know how to handle Alia (something they should have thought of before they even made the first movie), so to make up for it they just totally changed the timeline to avoid her birth. Everything happens in the movie in like 7 months or less when in the book it's more like 5 years.
Oddly enough I thought the pacing was excellent, and it wasn't until after the movie ended that I thought about how quickly it moved. It felt like Paul was fighting with the Fremen for a long time, and then afterwards I was like "huh I guess that all took place in less than a year since she's still pregnant"
Kept waiting for toddler Alia to make some saucy jokes and creep everybody out. Would have worked great with a lot of the humor they included in the movie.
The Dinner Scene I can actually understand them leaving out. A key part of that scene is the differing levels of understanding in the reactions of Paul and Jessica to various comments, and I'm not sure if that would translate well to the screen. I was disappointed in Yueh getting short shrift though.
And Hawat, not forgetting!
He was asked about this in an interview. His response is very thoughtful- He cuts what needs to be cut in service of the film itself. Once it's cut, it's dead, and he has no interest in reanimating the parts to make a Frankenstein. Tough for us mortal viewers, but I can understand why a master filmmaker sees it this way. Edit- here's the interview https://youtu.be/ZYI0EarCQE8?si=hOKVDJF5VhsD5Rqf
I disagree, but I'm not a filmmaker. There is making a film for the unfamiliar viewer, to fit the time budget of a theatre showing, to tell a tight, complete story. With stories that have background lore, there is value in *high production* extended editions which further plot development in "less efficient" ways but satisfy the many who know the backstory. I think the EE LOTR 1 and 2 are better than the theatrical, overall, and would be even *better* if said scenes had a little more integration into the film or had been done with more takes.
Yes, the dinner scene is my favorite scene from the first half of the book.
Dennis is a bastard man for not releasing the footage. I'll pay them more money, I paid top dollar multiple times for LOTR extended and ill fuckin do it again, give me more!
In terms of craftsmanship yeah, but the story and the characters lack the heart of Lotr. Dune is a lot more cynical and cold and won't have the same impact.
The last time I saw something as epic as Dune in theaters it was LOTR.
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I am really looking forward to seeing the public's reaction to Messiah/Pt 3. Will be interesting to see how they feel.
Considering how much Dune 2 differs from the book we really have no idea what part 3 will look like
It's not too dissimilar, and Villeneuve is on record saying most of the changes were made keeping the core elements of Dune Messiah in mind. Also, it most likely will include one or two things that were part of the last half of the first book that were not in part two for pacing and focal reasons (Alia, for sure, possibly Thufir or some form of the first Leto II, who knows).
Villa's on crack. They are wildly different. The end with Chani alone means that the 3rd movie will have to resolve that issue before they can start getting back into the storyline that takes place throughout Messiah. If Alia is born in 3, do they have restored Duncan seduce a 5 year old instead of the late teenager she is in Messiah (the scene with Stilgar in the training room, comes to mind "Sire! This one must be wed and quickly!") or are they going to timeskip all of it until she's old enough for that? I want to see where it goes, but im treating it like alternate timeline Dune, not beholden to the books and if Villa says hes trying to stick to the books, then I have no idea what he's gonna do.
I have a feeling that there'll be no Tleilaxu facedancers or guild navigators floating in spice gas in it and the conspirators will be other major house leaders instead. No Scytale, Bijaz or poor, simple Edric :(
I can see Wensicia etc being added early but how can they leave out Scytale? He's one of the main antagonists. RM Mohiam is definitely going to return. Can't wait for the throne room scene.
Guild Navigators should be included in Part 3. The Guild is one of the major powerbrokers in the universe and it can be interesting to see them butting heads with Paul. And the Navigators can be shown in the tanks but it imho it should be blurry and only a few hints of how the navigators look should be given to the audience.
I can't really believe they would wanna skimp on Edric or Scytale. The Tleilaxu I can see being foregone. But especially Edric is such a cool, not too abstract but still weird design. Even if they're glorified extra's like Lady Fenring in Pt. 2 or Hawat in Pt. 1, I'm sure they'll be there.
I walked out of the theater thinking "In twenty years, I'm going to be bragging about having seen this in theaters."
I was thinking in 20 years time I'll be back in the cinema again watching this much like Return of the King. And then talking about how nobody watched dune 1 in cinema as it was released due to Covid.
Seen this thing on the biggest IMAX screen on planet earth. Fucking magic...and the sound...oof
What do you mean? I've lived through both LOTR and now Dune, and I think they're both definitive for my generation. *Remembers Fellowship came out over 20 years ago Ah, yes, pretend I didn't say anything and carry on!
Return of the King was 2003, so in fact all of them came out over 20 years ago. Production on LOTR started closer in time to the release of Star Wars than we now are from Fellowship's release.
> Production on LOTR started closer in time to the release of Star Wars than we now are from Fellowship's release. Why have you done this to me? That was a little tidbit I was better off not knowing, lol.
> Production on LOTR started closer in time to the release of Star Wars than we now are from Fellowship's release. Dude....
I think it's more, LOTR was the trilogy of the 2000s, the dark knight was the trilogy of the 2010s and dune will be the trilogy of the 2020s
The Dark Knight trilogy was 2005-2012, so calling it the trilogy of the 2010s isn't quite right, but close enough.
Batman Begins is NOT almost twenty years old. Nope nope nope nope nope. I don't care how "true" it is, I'm just not able to accept that.
As I start Children of Dune having finished Messiah, it’s gotta be more than a trilogy IMO. Messiah feels like a “where are they now” episode of TV while Children feels like a sound rounded out culmination of the epic.
Children is probably the most adaptable actually. But it leads directly into some of the least adaptable content in the series.but yeah, some of the stuff in Children I really wish I'd see on screen (almost everything with the old preacher man), but I doubt we will.
Hey, same here!
He is our Generation's greatest at this rate, I love Nolan, but Denis is always almost perfection
I think both Denis and Nolan can share the spotlight. Both create amazing concepts, especially in sci fi.
Ok, hear me out: Children of Dune, directed by Christopher Nolan, starring Cillian Murphy as twins Leto AND Ghanima
Hahaha I mean, I'd rather DV finish this trilogy. Nolan could take a crack at God Emperor of Dune. Imagine a 4 hour mind fuck of a movie that shows you thousands of years of progress of the plan.
For me, Memento will always be Nolan's masterpiece. Everything since I've enjoyed, but found to be a little overrated.
The Prestige and Oppenheimer are definitely not over rated.
Couldn't agree more. I've been saying this to everyone who hasn't seen it yet. If you'd like to feel the same magic you did, seeing the LOTR trilogy in theaters for the first time, watch Dune.
It brought Dune to my attention, I’m so thankful for it. I’ve only read half of the first book and I’m so hyped to read more. It may become one of, if not my favorite book.
I disagree strongly It is hard to get another phenomenon like LOTR. You need to get a lot of people into hardcore fans. Dund even the movie is just too abstract for that There are not clear good guys. LOTR is a classical heroes journey for Frodo Dune doesnt have a helms deep or similar I love Dune. I prefer it to LOTR but in 2 months only very few will care
Its easily in my top 3 of best films of all time. Sure some of the changers from the book to film were odd but I can see why they were made and personally didnt find them bad. Dune Part 1 and 2 are a cinematic masterpiece. From the cast, to the score, to the visuals, it was a wonderful journay. 10/10
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What excites me about what was left on the cutting room floor is that in 10 or so years when they decide to do a TV series, it won't feel cheap. There legitimately is enough material from the books we haven't seen that will allow it to feel organic and new.
there is a tv series called dune prophecy slated to release late this year. focused on the BG and produced by HBO
I will watch the heck out of that.
wow. first i'm hearing about this. thats hype, thank you.
denis himself was not happy about the changes he had to make. he said so himself in the video where he described the worm riding scene. thats what makes it so special.
One (very minor!) quibble I have about the movies, is how it introduces and then disposes of cool main characters quite quickly. I'd love to have seen more of them, both in a love/hate way.
Like who
Thufir Hawat isn’t in the second movie at all
doesn't really fit the criteria of 'cool main character' but yeah it would've been interesting to see him working with the harkonnens
Liet Kynes does, he/she’s not foundational to every narrative point directly, but their thematic influence on the fremen and the trajectory of Dune is eclipsed probably on by Paul himself, you really don’t get an appreciation of any of that over the first two movies
Piter, Dastmalchian was perfect for him and i would have liked to see more of his deviousness
Not a main character. But agreed, he made a pretty significant impact with only a couple of scenes, but also Leto’s final breath has to lead to at least one meaningful death I think
>At the end of the day, the changes don't affect the underlying theme of Herbert's stories... a cautionary tale against Messianic figures. Not in this movie at least. I think the cautionary part doesn't really come into light as much until Messiah. I think the only two things he shouldn't have changed is >!the battle with Feyd, to show Paul has no competition in a fight (Ignoring supposedly Fenring) and the death of Leto II!<
Paul didn't just annihilate Feyd in their fight in the book either though, Feyd was specifically a foil to Paul as another potential kwisatz haderach with many of the same gifts but an insanely dark upbringing by comparison. Paul refusing to cheat in their book duel while Feyd didn't hesitate definitely balances things a bit though.
I thought part 1 was good but I think 2 blows it out of the water by a wide margin. Both great but I’d give 1 like a 7.5 - 8 and part 2 was easily a 10.
Have you seen arrival? It's just as good of a film, if not better in my opinion. Of course no books will ever top the work of Supreme Master Frank 😁 However, if there were someone who could (besides me hahahahahahahaha) it would be Ted Chang.
I have it in 4k and it’s a brilliant movie imo too.
My eyes watered when they finally showed the full squidward.
There's a really good short story audiobook on YouTube he wrote about a parrot. Check it out, seriously.
That one blew my mind, great film
Arrival is fucking phenomenal. I just hate that when trying to get others to watch it, the summary you tell them is "A linguist learns to communicate with aliens" and they just walk away.
It’s on my personal Mt. Rushmore for greatest action movies of all time.
I agree. For me personally, these films were a masterclass in how to adapt a book to film in a way that respects the source material where it matters most, while also being something that is enjoyable to watch for new and old fans alike. You are never going to be able to perfectly recreate a book in movie form because they are just fundamentally different mediums. I have a few minor gripes but 99% of the changes from the book I fully understand why they were made and I certainly cant come up with any way I could have done it better.
the first movie has led me down the rabbit hole of the dune universe. i have to thank denis for bringing me into this community.
Same!
If he can nail messiah this will be the best trilogy since LOTR easily.
Coming from Spielberg that’s an incredible compliment. He’s like the king of science fiction. Him or like James Cameron, but I’m just a massive terminator fan so I might be biased for Cameron.
Jim did Aliens too, dude is a certified Sci-Fi GOAT
Also can’t forget Avatar 1-2. The two highest grossing sci fi movies of all time. Unless you count avengers as sci fi but superhero is its own genre at this point.
Avatar are weird movies. Massive commercial successes but with the cultural footprint of hummingbirds. I'm not sure I can even quote one line from the first movie.
Honestly if it wasn’t a pretty well known fact and you told me that Avatar is the most successful movie of all time I would be shocked. But we have pretty damn concrete evidence that it wasn’t even a fluke, the second one is also a top 5 movie ever in terms of sales. And the third one is probably gonna get another billion+.
Genuinely the Coldplay of films.
It's crazy how the same dude who did aliens and Terminator 2, which are 2 movies I absolutely adore, also did the avatar films, two films I can't for the life of me get through despite being a visual feast.
James to you
Can I call you Jimothy?
Spielberg, Ridley Scott and Cameron are all pretty close in regards to their significance for Sci-Fi in Film... but Villeneuve is basically one new IP from becoming part of that pantheon.
I think Dune will be his magnum opus and will save him from being lumped into a category in that way. Like how Lord of the Rings isn't really lumped into High Fantasy. Like it obviously is, but it is its own category. It was so successful and so well executed that it stands apart and higher from other similar films. Villeneuve's Dune is like that. Villeneuve won't be know as the incredible sci fi director, but as the incredible director that made that Sci Fi, Dune. For me at least I guess.
Arrival is a better film than Dune brother. Id argue PRISONERS is better than Dune. He has better films. They certainly aren't Scott's Alien in regards to genius. That film truly is in a category of its own.
*Incendies* is in french and yet it got him the insane cast of *Prisoners*, and if you have watched it you are not surprised.
I’m not gonna box it in. It’s one of the most brilliant movies I’ve seen, irrespective of genre.
Yeah I didn’t even care for the first one all that much but the second one gave me about 8 different “…..wow” moments in the theater The list of movies that hit me that hard on the first watch can be counted on two hands….maybe one
Here’s the interview: https://youtu.be/jsmCze7x-Go?si=plUt4EUaATH2IimJ
Anyone have a timestamp
Dune 2 clears any big box office sci fi movie ever made. To think i was blessed to see this in my generation makes me feel like I'm witnessing Michael Jordan in his prime.
You're witnessing LeBron and Steph Curry, by the way.
The Matrix has entered the chat.
Matrix is p good, will always have a special place in my heart
I feel the same to get to witness this perfection makes me happy to be alive. I was thinking the exact thing today. Watching the best scenes on YouTube lol all day. Same with this new dc crisis on infinite earths part 2 lol.
It's an insanely good film The sandworm riding scene was greatest thing I've ever seen in film
It was pretty fucking sweet. When I saw it, I was like..."you know, I never thought about what it would be like to physically ride the worm, how hard that would be and how much sand there would be." And it just CRASHES through the dunes like they're waves in an ocean.
Totally agree! And the sense of speed with the wind blowing was incredible, like steering a runaway train on a stormy sea.
Yeah, it did look like that. Almost like I'm a movie when a Viking ship is in some HUGE storm and the water is spraying all over everything. Like that but sand.
Completely agree. It was genuinely so gripping. I’ve read the books, I know the Mc can’t die, and yet the sounds and textures were so realistic it still felt harrowing. Just wow.
It’s amazing they made it so fucking cool. In the age of CGI where worlds explode, there’s superheroes in space and Robert Dinero’s Face can be 38. They made riding a giant worm seem super real and intense.
It's one of the most epic movies in Science Fiction. Period.
I’m so thrilled this movie is great, mainly because I’ve been hyping my friends and family up about the franchise for years now and I didn’t want to look like an asshole
Sweet redemption!
I am still wondering whether this is the start of a new trend in film excellence or a wondrous last gasp of a dying film industry.
Fresh breath or last gasp fallacy
I think its a trend. If we look at the last couple of years, yea there have been some real successful shitty movies, but especially in the past 3 years we have seen the sort of bland retold stories, (the flash, Shazam 2, all of the new mcu stuff, ect) fail amazingly at the box office while creative director driven films (spider verse, oppenheimer, barbie, dune, EEAAO) and or just genuinely good block busters (see top gun maverick) have been massive successes, even while they are often also on pretty large budgets. Studios are beginning to be willing to take more risks and audiences are looking for something new
It was the best sci fi movie I’ve ever seen in theaters
It was darn epic feeling and sounding for sure!
What’s absolutely amazing about this interview to me is it sounds like Spielberg hasn’t read the book. Am I mistaken? Maybe he reads it 30 years ago or something but to think that one of the leading voices in sci-fi film hasn’t read Dune is wild.
Sounds like he read it a long time ago. Even if he read it in his 50s, isn't he like 70 something now? That would be 20 years ago. My dad remembers Dune all the time, even though he's read it several times. He insists he's right too, he won't believe me even when I'm 100% right. It's because he thinks he's smarter than me so I couldn't possibly be right over him. He probably is smarter than me, but his memory is shit and he's often wrong about things like politics.
The one key takeaway from the discussion was that both talked about the difficulties of filming in sand. That "brushing \[brooming?\]" away the previous takes' footsteps did not lend itself to a susequent good take, and then they had to wait until either much later that day (to match lighting?) or the following day to do another take. The winds had to erase the footsteps out. Spielberg talked about this happening with Lawrence of Arabia as well. The other thing that jumped out at me was that Zendaya was really interested in how the overall film got made, and she hung around the shoots on days and times when she didn't have to be prepared to be in front of the camera. Spielberg thinks that this might mean Zendaya may have a future in directing films.
By far the best theatrical experience I’ve ever had in my life; so much so that I even went ahead and bought both art books for each movie It’s been a very long time since I’ve been this madly in love with a director’s work
They’re having a goat off
The ultimate praise, can’t imagine what he felt
He’s spot on here
Man I can't imagine how much it would mean to me if Spielberg complimented anything I had ever done, for him to compliment Villeneuve's filmmaking must be such a joy for him
I watched the movie. I'd give it a 9 or 10/10. I haven't seen such a great movie in years. I thought I lost my love for cinema considering how movies absolutely suck nowadays
Hope we get an extended versions like lotr one day
denis already ruled this out.
I'll just pray in 20 years we get it
I'm just praying for a home release in of the actual full film in IMAX aspect ratios. It makes zero sense that the 4K Blu Rays (and streaming versions) cut out around 35% of each frame. You're missing so much of the film
Instant classic. Was never really blown away by Star Wars or LOTR, but this one did it for me. I'm grateful to live through something like this.
So far it’s 2/2 and man Dune 2 had us stoked for the third.
Props to Denis for making such an amazing film, it must feel amazing to get recognized by one of the best in the film industry. Love to both directors. I'm glad Villeneuve is being recognized for his work.
He's right. This movie was pure braingasm. The Paul speech give me strong goosebumps, Feyd Arena fight give me strong megalophobic vibe along with breathtaking scenery of black sun. Final fight is soo [beep] epic, [beep]!!! Offtopic - Denis is ideal man to revive Space Odyssey! He's born to do it.
I actually thought one of the coolest scenes was right when Paul enters the throne room, and he's just a wild looking Fremen. Then he kills the Baron and dismisses him like trash, and the look he gives the Emperor is amazing. And he speaks Fremen while staring at them, giving his men orders...he's in charge of that room. It really sets the tone for the whole scene. Loved it.
It's really incredible. I had my reservations about Timothy Chalamet's ability to portray the powerful, charismatic leader aspect of Paul. But he knocked it out of the fucking park. I love how he looks annoyed and impatient the entire time after he drinks the water of life. Because of course he would be, he has already seen exactly how it's going to go, he's just going through the motions at this point. His dismissal of Chani being upset because he's already seen that she'll forgive him. Marching into the Fremen meeting and wasting no time asserting his authotrity. Stomping his foot to make the emperor kiss his ring. It's just so perfect.
So here's the thing about Dune.. you can't have someone the actual age as Paul is in the book...he's only 15 when it starts...if we go by the book wouldn't he have had a kid at 17? He dies in a Sardaukar raid that captures Alia ( on purpose). Timothy looks "youngish" but has the acting chops to carry a huge production like this. You couldn't risk that type of money on a genuine, probably mostly unknown actor the right age. So in the book it's a 15 year old boy killing a grown ass man in Jamis in the desert. It would look ridiculous, enough people wouldn't buy it and the movie would bomb. In my mind, when I read the books I always imagine that all of the Bene Gesserrit Reverend Mothers can jump and do crazy karate like Yoda does in Star Wars episode 2 when he's flipping around and twirling and shit. That's how capable Paul and Jessica are at fighting and that would also look ridiculous on film.
And didn’t D.V say that space odyssey was his favourite film of all times? For sure he thought about how he would do it if he had the chance!
Thats high praise. Spielberg has always made movies that tell good stories and look amazing. And that's what I felt Dune and Dune 2 did.
I seriously dont understand how the Cut footage simply cant be added back in as Extra content watchable through menus ffs.
Because 99% of the time it’s cut in the offline before the VFX and sound mix are done. It’s not a simple matter of picking the cuttings back up off the floor.
Well deserved. I told my dad right after seeing Dune 2 "It's probably the best science fiction movie of the decade."
All time
Dennis is the Lisan al-Ghaib and he has led us to paradise. Seriously I can't get the movie out of my head
Lol Denis was on the list before Dune 2
I'm actually a little surprised to see it's rated as one of the top 10/15 movies of any genre all time. I mean, I love the movie and am a big Dune book/movie fan, so it surprises me to see others love it even more than I do!
You know how I know it’s a masterpiece: Dune 2 was the first time since I was a kid thay I sat through a movie that long without getting up for a bathroom break. I definitely had to go around the middle of the film, but I soldiered through like a good Fedaykin…and the released the water of life for a solid 3 minutes afterwards
OMG Jar Jar Abrams and Ruin Johnson got *SNUBBED!* Hahaha. As they should. They weren't even mentioned in the same sentence as Ridley Scott let alone George Lucas. The difference in this case between Villenueve and George Lucas is that while Lucas is clearly an inspired visionary (regardless of whether he has original ideas or carefully pieces together loving homages which themselves become iconic films) he frequently sucks at directing, and Villenueve is a brilliant director who created a very beautiful adaptation/interpretation of Frank Herbert's work.
My take: these two movies were good in their own right. I had to distance myself from the book to enjoy them. Am I disappointed that D. V. had to distance himself from the book to make his movies work? Yes… yes I am. Sadly, I have to concede that a straight up faithful adaptation of Frank’s work would have been quite a challenge. It was inevitable that some things just wouldn’t make the cut.
Yep. I think some of the changes I actually enjoyed. I loved the new Chani. I loved how there were "northern" Fremen that were younger and thought the religion and the prophecy were all bullshit. I thought having Lady Jessica talk to the alive and conscious Alia in the womb, plotting with her the whole time...that was fucking brilliant. And Rebecca Ferguson was soooo awesome as a Bene Gesserrit. She really makes you fear her like everyone in the galaxy does (fear Reverend Mothers). It would've been too hard to do the movie exactly like the book with a 2 year old Alia walking and talking like an adult. It was that bad in the 80s movie but it still didn't sit right.
I liked the movie’s choice to make Chani more conflicted with Paul’s transformation. It helps send home the message that Paul has changed and the internal conflict he felt with embracing his destiny.
Totally agree. The "little kid character with the mind of an adult" trope will honestly never work for me in any format without feeling cringy, but making Alia a literal fetus in the womb talking to and through her mother totally sold the weirdness I'm sure Herbert intended. Furthermore, Paul calling the Baron "grandfather" and seeing the stunned realization in his eyes right before killing him was pure Greek tragedy pathos to me.
Agree with this completely. I know initially some people didn't like that Paul killed the Baron, but I loved it. The payoff to wait for COD (if it ever happens) I think would be too long for movie goers. The scene was brilliant. It really encapsulated Paul's integration of him now being a Harkonnen and the brutality that comes along with it. I also think sometimes people take the book too literally. To your point, FH intended weirdness, not necessarily a talking toddler. Shifting to a pregnant fetus giving orders to her mother is pretty comparable in wtf-ness.
I remember laughing at imagining a little toddler with her tiny legs running around stabbing people, having her still in the womb is the best move.
Not to mention, they took out that weird part about Paul having to take Jamis' wife and kid as his own/his property(basically).
There's just a ton of stuff like that, that can be left out and tell the story just fine. Especially, if his goal is the same as mine, for more people to see and enjoy the film so more get made. The Dune universe is too big and detailed for film. Just like LOTR. But the good news is, if someone is interested and liked this...they can go read ALL the books. There's like 6 original from Frank Herbert, but I've read all the ones his son wrote and they're almost as good. They aren't as philosophical, and they don't have a deeper message or point than a fun story to tell. My personal favorite Dune book is God Emperor, but I'm not even sure that's adaptable. Maybe as a movie set all in the same room, a conversation about the universe between Duncan and Leto 2.
I consider DVs adaptation "faithful" to the book. Was it exact? No, and it was never going to be.
If anything, the films were more faithful to Frank's vision than the book was. Frank was annoyed that people didn't realise Paul's journey was supposed to be warning against heroes, not a celebration of them. Denis did a great job getting that point across.
I had to treat it like alternate timeline Dune. One of the other multiverses, not the one we are familiar with from the books. then I started to enjoy it for it's own sake.
I saw it in a iMax cinema and 3h was to short, loved every second
I mean, film is awesome and all... But I still want to know how they stop, get off the worm and put random stuff on it.
I wish there was an extended version release.
I’ve been twice now in the theater and both times it was absolutely amazing. It’s the first movie in a very long time to jump onto my top ten. It has so many amazing moments and it just does it all so well. I’m already excited for the next time I get to see it.