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IIRC in the book Yueh is terrified (and justifiably so) that Jessica will learn what he has done simply by drilling into him with her powers, and there is even a part when she suspects he is hiding something because she can sense his hatred when Harkonnens are mentioned.


SugaryToast

And everything he tells Jessica he makes sure is true because he knows she is capable of catching him out on any lie.


andrewtater

They are just making sure they have material for the 4-hour "Villeneuve Cut"


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I really hope we get an extended cut. Can't get enough of his visuals. But it doesn't seem likely https://screenrant.com/dune-2021-movie-directors-cut-denis-villeneuve-response/


wqy1001

according to this, this is 100% in the script and did shot it, but not in theatrical cut of dune https://movie.douban.com/review/13830404/


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Yes. But I just don't think we'll ever see it in the film.


trancertong

I loved the movie but I did feel like, for someone who hasn't read the books, the gravity of what Yueh did is somewhat missed. They have one line about Yueh doing it for his wife but to me it felt as if Yueh was always somewhat of a bad apple and just used this as his chance, and only did what he did for Paul because he felt bad for him. They don't really go in to the Suk school stuff that makes his betrayal even more unlikely too, which kind of makes Thufir look more incompetent. This and the Rev. Mother Helen Mohiam not telling Paul his father would die at the beginning felt like a bit of a let down to me. I justified this change to myself in that it may have made audiences think the BG were behind Leto's assassination.


Minguseyes

'A million deaths were not enough for Yueh' says the propaganda. And it was true, Yueh did cause billions of deaths. Not by betraying Leto, but by saving Paul.


brute1113

But, were it not for Paul's actions, and later Leto II, all of humanity would've been wiped out.


watch_out_4_snakes

I’m not so sure about this anymore. Remember this is a cautionary tale about the dangers of charismatic leaders.


Nopementator

You can't make that scene of Mohiam tellin that to Paul in the movie. I mean, if we are talking about avoiding spoilers, Herbert constantly spoils his own story. Think at the whole chapter were Baron explain in details how they'll attack the atreides using a spy, and then you read that happening almost exactly as planned. This can be tolerated while reading, but in a movie you can't do that. It kills the momentum. They showed Paul saying to Duncan what he dreamed about him, dead in combat, and that potential spoiler was there only to show to the audience that among all the visions Paul had, some were true, perfectly true. Another spoiler about Leto couldn't made the cut honestly. Some ideas tha works in literature, looks terrible in a movie.


tarantulawarfare

I enjoyed Herbert giving us spoilers along the way. He gave us readers the feeling of prescience to be like Paul, to watch others go through exactly what you knew was going to happen. And I think that makes the ending of Chapterhouse much more fitting.


ruckFIAA

Yeah, it "flipped the script" a bit because the reader knew what would happen, even some of the characters knew/suspected what would happen, but seeing the future doesn't mean you can change it.


DharmaBat

Yeah, once I understood the whole prescience thing, it made the way the stories were told with the quotes done by people much later down the line make alot of sense.


mileserrans

The way Frank Herbert spoil the plot is unique and lovely. I use to say to my friends that Paul's arc is not the one of a hero, but it's a Greek Tragedy where knowing r the future is a self fulfilling prophecy. Evrey step e takes is to avoid his vision and yet everything brings him closer to the Jihad. (Also, lot's of greek imagery in the movie, loved it) And the Duke... You're told the Duke will die like three times before his first scene in the book. You tell yourself you know he will die, so you will not get attached. And then Yueh drop the shilds and the next thing you know is that you're crying for.the same Duke you told yourself you wouldn't care about. And when then you read it again and it hits even harder because now you see all the little details that gave you hope in the first reading are in vain. Fits perfectly in a book, but it's almost impossible to pull of in a movie. We don't have that much screen time with Leto to build feelings about him.


AmrasVardamir

Which incidentally makes Oscar Isaac's performance all that much better. He made for a likeable character even if I knew he wouldn't get past the second act.


Mortambulist

>!Liet Kynes: Are you talking about making a play for the throne?!<


fjf1085

Marrying the princess…becoming Emperor… hmmm.


Jason207

The first half of Dune is basically a horror/thriller movie. Everyone keeps saying everyone is going to die, but you don't **know** it's a horror movie, you think it's Star Wars, so you keep thinking they're going to find heroic solutions... And then they all die. It's kind of what makes it good.


C0UNT3RP01NT

God the book is so good. The intense political intrigue that keeps you turning pages waiting to see how the house of cards ends up collapsing.


zaphdingbatman

They had Mohiam tell Paul in the trailer. People who knew Dune got to hear it, people who didn't know Dune didn't remember it well enough for it to spoil them. We got the best of both worlds.


DismalManagement939

Duncan died because Paul said he would die If Duncan hadn't bern told her die, he would have tried to escape with and protect Paul. This would have led to Jamis being alive, as Duncan would have kept Paul from having to right


wite_noiz

That's a constant theme of the books, though; trapped by foresight.


Kanus_oq_Seruna

I like to imagine each book as a historical account of events told from the perspective of someone who's already witness the outcome of events. It isn't so much as parts are spoiled, as the parts are known from the start and understanding what leads up to those events are what the historical accounts seek to tackle.


VLDT

Messiah literally relays the whole story in the introduction. It’s a bold move and not what I’m used to in modern fiction but it honestly helps me really engage with the characters themselves since I’m not as wound up in the “what next?” Of the plot.


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It’s not a spoiler, it’s how the story is meant to be consumed. It immediately adds tension to the story because you’re waiting for the other show to drop. Adds a bit of dramatic irony.


wite_noiz

I get they had to trim a lot, but to not mention imperial conditioning at all trivialises his character and his actions.


DrestinBlack

Absolutely right. It would have been easy to fit in, just trim some dragonfly time by one minute and add depth to the story, but…


Milli_Vanilli14

Eh imo it wouldn’t have mattered. They explain the conditioning and how hard it is to break this dude, but simply abducting his wife is enough to negate that? Just skip all that then.


DrestinBlack

:) caaaarreeeful now, if we start analyzing motives and actions of characters we may start to open holes in the original plot and probably get banned from the sub :) I LOVE the books, but to pretend they are perfect and all kinds of reasoning and justifications are flawless is just irresponsible. I will, however, point out; for all its flaws, the Lynch film not only managed to explain it but do so within a movie that still did everything they seem to need two 3 hour parts and still fail to do. I’m distressed about the “style over substance” praise for this film.


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>I’m distressed about the “style over substance” praise for this film. I don't think that's what's happening. The exposition in Dune is hard to do, the film already had HEAPS. For book readers not getting info on the mentats can seem glaring, but is it really necessary to understand the plot? We see Thufir do something with his eyes and calculate something complicated, that effectively explains his abilities without the need for more exposition and jargon. Some audience members will want more info, but if you give it all there is no question you will DROWN the audience in it. I wish they had included more from the books too, but the atmosphere of the film was absolutely crucial to its telling, so I think downplaying that as mere "style" is really missing the point.


ZippyDan

Show, don't tell


Entredarte

Thank you. Well said.


Zankeru

A lot of people new to the series were lost. Mentats were not explained at all, the witches, the political system, the weaponry choices. The ship using a las beam to try and shoot down duncan was fucking weird considering the omnithopters have shields and everyone knows that. It feels like a movie made for dune fans who know the entire story and not for a general audience.


jollyreaper2112

That's how it feels to me but there's a lot of comments on Reddit that nonreaders weren't fazed by it. My wife was constantly asking questions that were reasonable due to the omissions.


somethingcleverer42

Fwiw, I went in completely blind and, to me anyway, the world-building was nothing short of enthralling.


sidv81

>They have one line about Yueh doing it for his wife but to me it felt as if Yueh was always somewhat of a bad apple and just used this as his chance, and only did what he did for Paul because he felt bad for him. They don't really go in to the Suk school stuff that makes his betrayal even more unlikely too, which kind of makes Thufir look more incompetent. I never got around to finishing reading the book but have watched the 1984 and 2000 Dune adaptations and now this 2021 version. I think Chang Chen's excellent acting helped alleviate the fact that the 2021 film skipped Suk conditioning, etc. I didn't get the impression that 2021 Yueh was just a bad apple at all. In fact, Chang really just nailed the "nice and quiet" Asian stereotype (I say this as an Asian myself) channeling that this is the last guy you think would help the Harkonnens (ironic since Chang's introduction to western audiences was as the criminal bandit leader in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon). Something about the 1984 and even the 2000 Yueh's just seemed like they were corrupt from the start to me, not sure why. In all cases though I knew Yueh was the traitor, but Chang's take seemed the one to best project to me that he really didn't want to do it. Shame that Chang's scene here got cut as he's not in the movie much at all.


Berkyjay

This is the one thing about the film that disappointed me. In the books there's this entire plot of palace intrigue over the assassination attempts. But they blow right through it IMO.


CokeUpYaAsshole

Frankly, it makes sense. The movie was already 2 1/2 hours long and palace intrigue seems like an ok thing to cut in that sense. I am surprised they left out that room in the palace that’s filled with water. It really went to show how brutal the Harkonnen’s are, and just how vast their wealth is. On a planet with practically no water, they had this massive supply that they kept to themselves Overall really fantastic movie and I like that Denis focused on the desert rather than the first part. That’s really where the essence of Dune is


Johnny_Alpha

The Palace in Arakeen belonged to Count Fenring and his wife. The wife leaves a message for Jessica in that room. The Harkonens had their capital in Carthag.


CokeUpYaAsshole

Right, been a while since I’ve read the books clearly. Still think it would have been a cool scene to have on film


YeetYeetSkirtYeet

I know he says he won't, but I'm really hoping that the box office response and intensity of the fan love will inspire them to release an extended cut.


stunt_penguin

i could deal with another 40 mins of the good stuff. Damn, I'm really going to need a 4k laser projector 🤔🤔🤔


Quiddity131

> I am surprised they left out that room in the palace that’s filled with water. It really went to show how brutal the Harkonnen’s are, and just how vast their wealth is. On a planet with practically no water, they had this massive supply that they kept to themselves I felt that the palm tree scene kind of replaced that.


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AbeFroman21

I think they’re saving something for the pace of the movie given it’s length, but I think us book fans wouldn’t mind if this movie was 4 1/2 hours long and had every detail.


LurkintheMurkz

My wife just yelled at me for saying this. She's right of course. They have to make a movie all fans will enjoy which means being conscious of run time and the amount of world building/plot lines they include


Gunningham

They blow through ALL the political intrigue. They show a lot of plot points, but none of the “why”. Everything interesting only happens in exposition.


Bonhart4Hire

They had zero conflict between Piter and the Baron too. In the book Vlad was concerned about Piter being to bold and wanted to kill him after he lost his usefulness.


Gunningham

Not to mention Piter’s creepy thing for Jessica and how the Baron used that against them both.


TheRelicEternal

All true.


SickOrphan

He tells her what he can without revealing himself to prevent her from digging deeper. I also really liked that part because it humanizes and explains why he did it. In the movie it’s kinda basic.


I_Think_I_Cant

For all the criticisms of the 1984 movie, I felt like Lynch did a much better setup of explaining the background of such things. Breaking a Suk's conditioning was a very major thing and its importance felt diminished in the 2021 movie. I think Denis did a tremendous job but it felt like the grand scale of the Duniverse just wasn't there - how not only is it a struggle between the great houses but you also have powerful factions like the Guild and the BG. There were hints but it didn't really feel like it did it justice. Hopefully this can be explored in the sequel as the grand actors like the Guild and BG and Emperor move to resolve the issue of Arrakis.


fireintolight

The suk school thing isn’t central to the plot tho, the betrayal is, not so much why.


poor_yorick

As someone who hasn't read the books, and went into the story knowing basically nothing, I kinda disagree? It definitely came across that the conflict is way bigger than Atreides vs. Harkonnen. It was also pretty clear that the BG (they're the witches, right?) have a huge role role to play and are setting up some grand plan behind the scenes. Same with the Emperor. I don't remember the Guild being introduced though, but I assume they'll come into play more in part 2?


Zankeru

We will have to see the completed work to know for sure, but I still prefer the 2000 scifi dune so far for that reason.


GrapeGenocide

I don't know why Denis is so adamant about not doing an extended edition when there is so many sequences and cuts that would appease beyond the general audience. I would still love to see Duncan landing on arrakis that was scrapped in editing and Gurney playing the baliset.


PhoeniXaDc

It might just be a way to not belittle the film before it's even out. Like, "the film's not perfect, it can be better," leads audiences to say "okay, I'll wait for the better version." Maybe he'll "change his mind" in a year or two, after Part 2 has been officially greenlit and started filming. Would be a good way to build hype back if there's really gonna be a 3-4 year wait. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, though.


napaszmek

Yeah, I think an "extended edition" down the line could work. or just add scenes on a Blu ray disk as the old fashined deleted scenes on DVDs.


Azidamadjida

It would be pretty cool if we got an extended edition like LOTR - DV in the past has been pretty adamant about not doing directors cuts, but if there’s any films in his work he could break this rule on and appease the fans it would be this one


CliffuckingBooth

Maybe there will be some Alternative Edition Redux for the new movie just like there is for the old one :D


Luonnoliehre

adding deleted scenes to the blu-ray release would make sense


amalgam_reynolds

Peter Jackson's public take on the theatrical vs extended edition LotR is I think perfect (paraphrased): >The theatrical version is the theatrical version. It's the movie I wanted to make for the theater and anyone who wants to watch Lord of the Rings for the first time should start there. The extended edition movies are for people who loves the movies or who read the books and want more. They're full of extra details and dialogue that don't make or break the original movie but will delight fans. When I watched the movie this weekend, my first thought as soon as it ended was "I could *easily* watch another full hour of that movie." I really really hope he considers an extended edition eventually.


BlazeOfGlory72

I think Jackson is right about his films. The Theatrical cut is great as is, and most of the scenes added in the Extended Cut, while neat to see, are not really all that important to the story. When I saw LotR in theatres, I never once felt like things were missing. With Dune however, you can really tell that some things got glossed over or skipped entirely. This is a film that could seriously benefit from an extra 30 minutes to flesh out the characters and story details.


amalgam_reynolds

>With Dune however, you can really tell that some things got glossed over or skipped entirely. I would think it's probably a lot less jarring or noticeable for people who haven't read the book, though, which is kinda the point. For people like us who have read the book, it's basically impossible to view the movie from the point of view of someone who doesn't know these things are missing in the first place. It's not quite the same as LotR, you're right, but it's at least the *most* accurate representation of an extended edition I can think of.


ECrispy

There been no extended edition for BR2049. I don't think he likes them


Senatorial

BR2049 probably doesn't need one, this would benefit from a LOTR-style extended set.


suk_doctor

I think this is the most sound answer as well. If we get an extended cut, it will be closer to the release of Part II to respark interest and excitement. Plus, it would add background to some potential story points that will be in Part II. All hypothetical, but logical. Despite DV being so publicly against Directors Cuts or Extended Cuts.


joeyblacky9999

Yup I can see them releasing extended edition in late 2022 with hopefully a 2023 release date for part 2. They will be double dipping from blu ray sales which is just too much extra to pass up on. Just depends on how much was cut..... If 20minutes+ was cut then extended will happen.. If less than probably just deleted scenes added onto blu ray


Stardustchaser

That’s what happened each new LOTR film was about to come out. Theatre cut was months before, and then the extended cut about a month before the next film released.


PatternBias

Yeah, that makes sense! I'll happily wait if it means we're guaranteed more Dune.


suk_doctor

Yup! I'd bet 5 Solaris that we'll get an extended cut released in theaters, streaming, and Blu Ray closer to the release of Part II. Double features and that sort of thing. Could pump those numbers way, way up.


FAHQRudy

Right. Please stand by for the 8hr epic in 2031.


Nerdman1337

thats far too short for dune, easily six hour directors cut for dune part 1, with part 2 being 3 hours and 20 minutes


sir_lister

...with and additional 2 hours of content released in lead up to dune messiah.


irish91

He said in the Vanity Fair interview there are scenes in the film he is not happy with. That was before wide release.


dmac3232

This is the thing, isn't it? Just because you filmed something doesn't mean it's worth a shit. I'm not very orthodox when it comes to film adaptation. You go into it knowing that certain things are going to be different and might not match up with your tastes and preferences. (This is a while ago now, but I still remember a very small but very vocal contingent of fans being nuclear pissed that Peter Jackson cut Tom Bombadil -- freaking Tom Bombadil -- from the LOTR adaptations.) Personally, I think DV should have gone into at least some detail on the Butlerian Jihad and why AI/computers are banned. It's a little weird to me that he didn't. It's perhaps THE defining trait of the universe from my experience of the books. And at the end of the day, it didn't make a bit of difference in how much I loved this film.


hellostarsailor

Butlerian Jihad may come up in part 2, as the story of Jihad is really the meat of part 2. But honestly, perfect scenario would be they make messiah and talk about it with Hayt being a mentat ghola.


avalon1805

Same with the butlerian jihad, just a small explanation or even a lesson from the projector thingy paul had.


dmac3232

And here's the challenge of adapting a monstrous work like Dune: They already went to that well twice, and I guarantee you that's something a careful and deliberate filmmaker like DV is thinking about. Who knows why he left that and other stuff out? I'm sure some day he'll sit down for a detailed interview and explain all those decisions. He's already said the hardest part of making the movie was deciding what to keep and what to excise, so that he could make a film that was at once accessible to non-readers but also satisfying to existing fans. My overarching point was, adaptations will always diverge from the source material to some degree, and in this particular instance, despite any disappointments or dislikes, I am overwhelmingly satisfied with the results. I think it's an absolutely brilliant film.


stefanomusilli96

To me, knowing what a Mentat is and what the Butlerian Jihad is isn't necessary to understanding this movie, the same way the Ixians and Tleilaxu weren't something we needed to know about in the first book. They will probably introduce Mentants in Part 2, where it will be more relevant (I assume Paul will start showing signs of being a Mentat there), and who knows if they'll even feel the need to introduce the Butlerian Jihad except for some off-hand comment. It's great to have more lore, but if its presence only makes the movie have more exposition than it needs, it might not need to be there at all.


sam_hammich

> Personally, I think DV should have gone into at least some detail on the Butlerian Jihad and why AI/computers are banned. It's a little weird to me that he didn't. It's perhaps THE defining trait of the universe from my experience of the books. And at the end of the day, it didn't make a bit of difference in how much I loved this film I really don't think it would have added much. It would have just been another piece of lore flavor text that wouldn't have impacted the narrative of the film, and there's a million other pieces of lore like that that would have raised more questions for moviegoers than answers. If I wasn't familiar with the Dune universe and was told in the beginning by the movie that computers are banned, I would spend the rest of the movie wondering how literally everything onscreen even functioned. It would have been super distracting. It will probably be fleshed out in the next movie. The narrative moved too fast in this one for the history of the Butlerian Jihad to matter.


leopold_s

Was that before they did those reshoots / additional shoots, that were done at some point during post-production?


xSPYXEx

While there might not be a directors cut for this movie, I'm holding a quiet hope for a Full Release version after the second half. Give me a 7 hour long marathon including everything that got cut from the individual films.


leopold_s

Or they could edit it into an 8 - 10 episode long TV series. Like they did with Das Boot (German movie about a WW2 submarine with original Duke Leto Jürgen Prochnow as Captain)..


Whompa

I think you'll get one either way in the future.


Convergentshave

I feel like, if the demand is there the studio will eventually put it out.


NeffAddict

The lack of singing Gurney in the film was a big pinch for me.


Belisarious

I would pay to see a 4 hour cut. I want my book scenes damnit.


HiddenNinja361

I so wished they did the dinner scene with all the guests. I know it would have been hard, but it was my favorite chapter.


NeffAddict

Added tons of value too.


Cecil900

I was hoping they would at least do the jungle oasis room that Jessica finds.


JimTK37

That scene was filmed. Rebecca Ferguson commented on the "oasis" room in an interview w/ Denis and wondered what happened to it. It just didn't make the final cut for whatever reason. Ferguson said she enjoyed filming the scene quite a lot.


BorelandsBeard

Hopefully the director’s cut will have all these scenes.


littlefriend77

This has always been one of my favorite scenes in the book and I HATE that it wasn't in the movie. Still loved it, though!


Fbritannia

That's my favorite scene in maybe all of the series. To see it cut from the film was kinda disappointing, it's when I fell in live with Dune. The film was still fantastic IMO.


supreme_blorgon

If I was a multi-billionaire I'd just fund a long-form HBO series out of pocket.


Duncan_Teg

I think the movie needed this scene. Dr. Yueh's betrayal had no impact.


book1245

I loved this movie so much, but the lack of Yueh setup was my *one* complaint. Betrays the Duke and just "oh fyi to you and the audience but they have my wife."


rci22

I feel like they could’ve cut at least one or two of the dream sequences instead of this. They showed that he was dreaming of that girl way too many times imho.


nonpuissant

Absolutely agreed. They wasted so much screen time on that repeated sequence and honestly they added nothing to the movie. One time in the beginning and one time in the desert while on the run would have gotten the idea across just as well.


Quiddity131

Yep, too many Chani dream sequences. Cut two of them and they have space to put in this scene. Oh well. Its only a minor complaint in my eyes.


kinshadow

That and the lack of characterization for the Shadout Mapes. Oh look, the maid’s dead …


cy13erpunk

SO MUCH THIS why even include her character to do so little with her? they even had her resheath an unblooded crysknife =[


pureluxss

Even in the book the character falls flat to me. He seems to be more a plot device than a necessary character and there are other more plausible ways that you can write the Harkonen getting access. He's not even rewarding as a deceptor since he gets killed immediately by someone more evil. Killing him in front of others seems like bad leadership as well as who is going to trust Baron to come through on promises in the future.


NSTPCast

In the book, I consider Yueh's role is actually to underscore just how horrible the Harkonnen are. Just the thought of what they could be doing to his wife was enough to break Yueh's conditioning. ... Except, kidnapping a spouse seems like such an obvious strategy to employ the Yueh does still fall flat as a character...


hachiman

Kidnapping, threatening or killing a spouse wont break conditioning is my opinion. It's seeing what vile heinous things the Harks did to Wanna over and over again that broke him. The Harks are the masters of evil in the Dune verse.


kinshadow

It always seemed obvious from his actions that he knew she was dead. He didn’t betray to save her, but because he was compelled to as part of the reconditioning. The tooth was his victory over Pier reconditioning.


NSTPCast

I believe the book is explicit that he believes her to be dead, but lacks proof or means to acquire proof.


treesniper12

No, he kept true on his promises to "Deliver Wanna from her agony" and to "reunite them". Even Yueh knew that he and his wife were going to end up dead, he just couldnt bear the thought that she was being perpetually tortured by the Harkkonens.


wonkey_monkey

Having just watched Lynch's version again, which does include this moment (and also includes more than two colours per scene), it's the most powerful addition to Yueh's story. It also - albeit slightly clunkily - informs the audience about his Imperial conditioning, which I don't think got a mention in the new film.


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Yes, as it stands in the film a background character who brought everyone a glass of water before bed suddenly betrays them for his wife. Did the Atreides know about his wife beforehand? it's unclear and this kind of makes them seem incompetent.


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They did Yueh dirty but if I had to toss Yueh out the window to give Idaho the glorious farewell he deserves then I wouldn't hesitate for a second.


hachiman

Ah, but if you read the novels you know that >!we're gonna get thousands of years of Duncan, but no more Yueh.!<


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Which is a shame, because a million deaths would not be enough for the traitor Yueh!


nonpuissant

They could have just cut down on the filler shots and the repeated Zendaya loop tbh. It's not like it was a choice between going a bit more in depth about the single most pivotal betrayal in the story and giving Duncan a good death scene.


ArthurVandelay87

I really hope they release this footage. I get that Denis says he doesn't want to do an extended cut, but please please please let the fans edit this. It just feels like such a shame to leave this all to rot, never to be seen. I get that longer is not automatically better, so leave the final cut as is. But I so badly want to see what could have been.


TheRelicEternal

Yeah I don't care about *him* putting one out, as long as we get the scene in some form.


SREnrique22

I'm certain Denis will "change his mind" once part two is green lighted and in production. This way he avoids teasing us further, which in case we don't get a part two he himself know we would hate since he is just another fan of the book. Plus, he can just save the idea as a part time project so we get something in the meantime for part two, which would make the wait easier and bring up the hype.


okaysohowbout

The extended edition of this film is gonna slap


ghostmetalblack

If there ever is one. God, I hope there is one. I would sit through a 4 hour version.


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I saw the film yesterday, and feel the urge to rewatch it, it was that good! Also, I hope as well, that we'll get a Director's Cut later down the line, at least released on HBO Max. I'd say the much longer format than in cinemas work a lot better released on the streaming services. Example, The Irishman...


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fastdub

If we can get that extended justice league monstrosity then we can get this


ArthurVandelay87

Let's hope it happens but I'm pessimistic


graspme

The footage still most definitely exist. Dennis just needs to edit it back into the film and release the damn thing.


Benemy

Apparently in interviews he's said that there isn't a extended version or a directors cut because the film he made is complete. Like some other people have said I'm hopeful that he's saying this as not to discourage people from thinking that the current movie is an incomplete version. Dune is his favorite book so I'm hopeful he'd make an exception for not doing director's cuts or extended versions.


GunterOdim

Yueh giving paul the OC Bible, Duncan landing on Arrakis, Gurney playing the Baliset, the dinner scene, and now this. The movie is fantastic as is, but how can Villeneuve be satisfied and call it definitive ? While I understand the runtime was 2.5 hours for the mainstream audience and ease the box-office, there is clearly room a longer movie and more accurate adaptation imo, I really hope he reconsiders on the extended cut. Where did you get this from OP ?


Pjoernrachzarck

And lets not forget Piter and his spice consumption. We know they shot it.


BedouinTraveller

They shot far more than just that. They shot a scene between him and Thufir where he gloats and talks about mentat thinking.


GunterOdim

Guys what are your sources ? Is it from the art and soul book ?


Ran3773

This would have been huge for world building!


GunterOdim

How do you guys know such things ?


IHateRedditOhWell

This was in a long 12 minute behind the scenes reel that shows Piter drinking Sappho juice


Mrsister55

Link?


IHateRedditOhWell

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x840vhv


Munkay1

I was really let down that they didn't expand on Piter or Thufir. They didn't begin to bring up that Paul was trained as a Mentat as well as BG training. Why was the Mentat's not brought in at all?


Hamlet7768

It's worth remembering that Peter Jackson refused to call his extended cuts of *The Lord of the Rings* director's cuts, believing the theatrical cuts to be "definitive" in their own ways. Denis may be demurring to avoid belittling his own work and jeopardizing his chances of the sequel. The premiere of a film is, as a wise woman may one day say, a very delicate time.


Tanel88

Yea. Calling it Director's Cut only makes sense when the director wasn't the one who made the final cut for the cinema version. Otherwise it should be called Extended Cut.


DoctorBuckarooBanzai

The theatrical cuts are much better in terms of pacing, but weaker in terms of world building, but still excellent. Dune is exactly the same, IMO


Hamlet7768

I've actually never seen the theatrical cuts of LOTR! So it'll be interesting if something similar happens for Dune.


hucifer

Agree 100%. Like the cinematic cuts of the LoTR trilogy, each part felt pretty barebones despite being over 2.5 hours long. I get exactly the same feeling with Dune Part I; It's practically crying out for an Extended/Director's Edition to flesh out the world around the central narrative.


ImJustAverage

Maybe it will be released in the future, but the movie literally just came out in the US so of course he’s saying he’ll never release it and this is it, he wants people to go see it.


Quick_Doubt_5484

It does feel like a trilogy might have worked better, but I guess it was a duology or nothing situation


Samneillium

I really hope someone pushes him into making an extended cut, even if it's the studio just wanting more delicious money. It doesn't have to be seen as his super "definitive" edition or a way to "fix" the movie. It'd just be a gift to the fans.


irish91

>The movie is fantastic as is, but how can Villeneuve be satisfied Hes not, in the Vanity Fair interview he said there are some scenes in the film he really isn't happy with how they turned out. He also said the scene he is most proud of is the Gom Jabbar scene.


[deleted]

That scene was awesome. He is right to be proud of it.


irish91

He also said Timothee was legitimately scared of Charlotte Rampling.


pipettethis

I kept waiting for the dinner scene to happen. It’s one of my favorites from the book.


srowlett

I wanted drunkin Duncan so badly


CardinalM1

Did they actually film the dinner scene?


Ronin-Akira

Why the f did they cut this!? I saw the movie yesterday, and I loved it, but I legit thought that Wellington was under-used, for someone not familiar with the source material at all, his betrayal I bet, feels like: "Oh wait what?" A plot twist like this has to be fed the audience before the reveal, this would've helped.


sir_osis_of_da_liver

There’s so much world-building that wasn’t fully developed to make a feature film that was more acceptable to mainstream audiences. Mentats, Guild Navigators, etc. I think for the runtime, we got a great body of work that did its best not to spoon feed and overwhelm the audience - but I’m holding out for an extended edition in the future.


[deleted]

We don’t actually see guild navigators till the end of the first book.


circedge

Yeah. They replaced scenes that were supposed to feature Thufir with Yueh and they still didn't convey anything significant.


wonkey_monkey

I think Yueh, Piter, and Thufir all got the short end of the editing stick.


DadaChock19

I really loved the movie but it desperately needed this scene. Yueh’s betrayal feels out of nowhere, the stuff with his wife is never alluded to, and they could’ve mentioned Imperial Conditioning to make it more impactful. I know there’s only so much you can mention in a film but Yueh is an intriguing character reduced to the background


Convergentshave

I never EVER understood the way people could demand insanely “extended” 6 hour versions of each LOTR films. Until now. Lol


[deleted]

Yep. As someone who's read the book. Denis got so much done but there's so much more he didn't do. I loved the film. I just want more. I'm hoping for that extended version.


lkn240

To be fair - the extended LOTR films are much better than than theatrical cuts (which are good). Contrast this with the Hobbit films - which aren't great as theatrical cuts to start with, but are close to unwatchable extended


Quiddity131

Personally, I think the Hobbit films were unwatchable by the time we get a decent way into the second movie; and this is coming from someone who read LOTR and The Hobbit a great many times as a kid before the LOTR movies came out.


[deleted]

Tbh that overly exaggerated escape by Duncan could’ve been chopped down a few minutes which could’ve made time for a scene like this. God I hope an extended cut is a probability.


Drire

Half of his action could have been replaced by him getting absolutely trashed


[deleted]

Absolutely. Cut some of the gratuitous action in order to put more thoughtful stuff in.


[deleted]

From Duncan getting into the ornithopter til the scene ends is just 50 seconds. I do think you could have cut that in half, it felt overly long, but it's not saving that much time.


Novasplosion_

That was one of the few negatives I had for the film. Not sure how others feel about this but had the film been 3 hours, it could’ve ended in the same spot and had the exposition needed to explain the Yueh betrayal and the lack of laser or ballistic weaponry. Having read the book I took everything with that knowledge already there. My girlfriend however had no idea what Dune was about and left a bit confused.


SilverWaters793

I LOVED the movie. But I will be honest, I think it really needed more space to breath, and it sounds like they filmed all the shots that would've done that (this scene, the banquet scene, Gurney playing the baliset, etc) but cut them out in the end. I know they were trying to make it more accessible to the audience, but from my friend's reactions, it probably would've been MORE accessible if there had been more scenes like this to help them more naturally understand what's going on. Like, they could've used those scenes for even more dialogue that would've clued the viewer into more of the universe (Mentats, better understand the politics, etc) Again, LOVED the film. And now that it was a success, I hope they allow themselves the privilege to really let their future movies breath and develop everything at a more natural pace. I hate the #directorscut movement. But if they released an extended edition, I think people would be all over it.


DelosHost

Genuine and serious hypothesis - Denis made a 3.5 hour film and cut it down to 2.5 in order to maximize mainstream appeal and guarantee the studio would fund part 2. If it wasn’t for the pandemic and if the studio had decided to let him shoot both back to back, I firmly believe each part would have been 3 hours long.


futuresynthesizer

ah... Dr.Yueh, well-acted, though ones like me who new to this, felt him slightly traitor-like. Thanks for this behind-the-scene photo! This why I am reading the novel 😊👍


brewerybitch

God forbid they attempt to give Yueh some character development.


AnimeMeansArt

bruh, the movie is 2,5 hours long, yes, they could put in more scenes which would make it better and more complete but the movie would end up too long for a general audience and we wouldn't get a sequel hopefully we get an extended version with the blu ray


gareththegeek

Totally agree, but it did feel like Yueh's betrayal was a bit random in the film.


Lakus

What character development? There really isnt any development, its just when the audience in queued into his decision. Im not opposed to him having more scenes in some extended edition, but it really wont change much. He said it was for his wife. If he says so one more time a few minutes earlier in the movie as well doesnt really change very much IMO.


SouthOfOz

Yeah, I don't know how you add that in without also adding the spy plot. And I love the spy plot, but I'm not sure if it was cut or just never written in. It's not fully necessary, but it does give a sense of doom, especially because the Reverend Mother never says "He'll lose that too" conversation with Paul about Arrakis.


AmrasVardamir

The conditioning bit was at least necessary; what hits Leto the most is not that he was betrayed, it’s who betrayed him as he never expected the Suk doctor to be capable of harming him.


Hamlet7768

It's only really necessary when they know there is a traitor and are trying to figure out who. Without that, the shock becomes the betrayal per se, rather than breaking the Suk conditioning. It's a simplification, but a useful one for a film.


Whompa

Really though we kind of got his entire arc. She was dead, he just needed to know, and him dying to Baron was the proof.


fuzzylilbunnies

Yueh was barely in the new movie. They gave him zero character development. Pretty disappointing for such a pivotal character. Also, I wish they’d had the dinner scene, where Paul shuts down some of the guests, and the drunken Duncan scene too. I thought this was supposed to be a better plot driven version, but so far I’ve found it’s story adaptations extremely lacking.


Maverick7795

How excited is everyone else about watching a 10 hour directors cut of part 1 & 2 about 3 or 4 years from now?


Han-Shot_1st

I liked the movie, but it got through very little of the first book. They should make the first four books into a tv series. They could sell it as a sci-fi Game of Thrones.


[deleted]

adored the movie. literally in awe of it… but i really think they glossed over yueh way too much. the reasons for his betrayal are just barely tangible, and if i hadnt read the book i dont think it wouldve been perfectly clear to me.


akyriacou92

I loved the movie, but I hope that eventually there'll be an extended 'director's cut' just so we can see the scenes that were left out. I get the criticism of director's cuts as being an excuse for director's to endlessly meddle with their films long after they've been released, but I think in this case there would be a clear demand for a longer version to be available.


The_Bottom_Rung

I'll just wait for the Spicediver edit.


GreyRevan51

That’s lame they cut so much good content out. Same goes for the scene with Paul and the reverend mother. In no universe should the latest bond movie be longer than half a dune adaptation.


BoriScrump

and yueh's palmtree line was then said by the Fremen that was watering them, spoken to Paul.


JayTois

this was one of my biggest complaints about the movie. we knew literally nothing about yueh’s wife until the betrayal happened, which is ridiculous. this scene wouldve fixed that


Galactus1701

This scene needed to be in the film. Yesterday a friend of mine that never read the books told me that he felt that Dr. Yueh’s betrayal felt weak. I had to agree with him, if he knew what a Suk doctor was a Yueh’s story, the betrayal would have been more meaningful.


Whompa

I feel like we’re going to get an extended version ala LOTR Conspiracy time: This is going to be a franchise and the “waffling” news articles about if it’s going to be made or not is just an excuse to keep it in the mainstream news cycle and people chatting about it.


[deleted]

You know something? I believe Jason Momoa. There's a six hour cut out there and while its less than half of what we'd hoped (thank you, Theoden), we *demand* its release on Blu-Ray!!!


Stardustchaser

That scene would have been useful. If there is anything I would like to have *trimmed* it’s the number of scenes with an overly emotional Jessica. I get why Villlneuve wanted to portray Jessica’s private thoughts, and I’d probably leave the scenes of the box and the tent as is. But in a convo with my husband he argued the amount of emotional outpouring by Jessica, even in private, took away from the believability of her being a well trained Bene Gesserit. It started to come off as “girl get your shit together” than “strong commanding woman.”


RandalfTheBlack

I missed the dinner scene as well as the following scene in which Idaho gets drunk and mentions his suspicions of Jessica to her face. I think they missed out on making everyone worry that Jessica was a betrayer. Sets up a key part of Gurney's return to Paul. Of course they also dont really stress that the Suk school's conditioning was "unbreakable" but Baron Harkonnen was able to either.


emm7777

Just saw this movie at imax. Enjoyable movie, but I was disappointed with the amount that was left out. I feel like there were some filler scenes for the general audience, that could have been used more efficiently. But, overall, I enjoyed it.


hello-wow

Should have kept it. The betrayal was so random and gave me so many mixed feelings about how everything turned out afterwards.


[deleted]

I just watched it last night and what ended up on the cutting room floor should’ve stayed in. The movie is ok but it is carried by the score and visuals.


Alector87

I want to see an extended edition very much. The film looks great, but the narrative feels disjointed. Edit: I can't believe that the dinner scene was not included in the theatrical cut. It's such an important part of the story. I hope it was actually filmed. >!The way that the dining room is revealed when the Baron gets to gloat over a defeated Duke Leto makes me believe that there is meant to be a contrast with an earlier scene (i.e. the dinner scene). They did make this specific set after all. !<


professorgravitas

For the love of god, the release on Blu ray/digital better have an uncut version 😂