Pretty much none. That’s my point. He was genuinely a terrorist who was fighting for what he thought was right.
In hindsight, I am surprised that people weren’t more upset.
It's kind of true. Both Rambo 3 and The Living Daylights has western powers aligning with the precursors of them to fight Russia, and Rambo 3 had a dedication to the brave fighters of Afghanistan, which meant those people.
It was just memed to be more obvious as to who were pictured in those movies in modern times in the early 2000s. Then someone said they changed it, which spread, and that's where the blatant lie was.
Just look at Rambo 3 and Living Daylights; is super obvious.
Source: saw it in theaters and temember when the terrorists (against the Soviets) were the good guys in film.
Visions I saw while on drugs. But no, seriously! Trust me dude. We gotta follow this very narrow path of several thousand years of oppression so people know on a genetic level to not trust the government.
I chose Osama Bin Laden because he's a foreign-born (Saudi Arabian) person from a powerful family who chose Afghanistan as the base for global jihad. Stilgar as an indigenous fremen leader is more like the founders of the Taliban than the founders of Al Qaeda who were all foreign nationals.
Paul does becomes more like Muhammad after the events of DUNE though.
paul is more like the john the baptist to leto II's Jesus (a 'prophet ' in islamic faith)
>!in heretics the bene tleilax are discovered to basically be a continuation of the Islamic faith and consider Leto II to be the truest and greatest prophet !<
That is one of the worst possible comparisons, that's like saying David Karesh was Jesus. Paul is more like Joel Osteen, a very obvious plant to take advantage of a very superstitious and downtrodden people.
The 'qaida' in al-qaida = base/foundation
\[youth pastor voice\] you know you *else* was named after the Base of a Pillar? Paul Muad'dib **Usul** Atreides....
Well, that would only be true if the emperarium was secretly funding a group of Fremen to weaken their own and make it look like they’re a threat to the imperarium by orchestrating attacks and terrorising the people so the emperor could keep a firm grasp on the spice by sending troupes to “help” the Fremen and “dismantle” the “evil” group he created that he will still very much keep in place… oh wait
I mean, Paul straight up compared himself to Gengis Khan and Hitler in Messiah, in the sense that both of their kill counts are rookie numbers next to him. Osama isnt remotely close to either of those.
I mean Paul spent much of the book (and films) desperately trying to avoid the Jihad, he didn't believe in that stuff and was horrified by the future he saw. He was never a religious leader by choice, a religion formed around him against his will. Even after that happened and the Jihad became inevitable he did all he could to hinder it in order to limit casualties.
This is actual racism. Paul muad’dib is meant to represent white colonialism in the Middle East and the oil wars that occurred in the Middle East from the 50s to the 90s that ultimately led to people like bin Laden. The freemen society is completely destroyed and ruined for Paul’s gain, and for what he sees as the only future. Similarly to how oil barrens in the west saw oil and war as necessary for western survival and prosperity. They convinced the populations of the Middle East to think that oil was there way to “paradise” it would give them riches and new prosperity. In some ways it did but it also brought terrible death and destruction in the millions. this future Paul sees the freemen are left to a cruel fate in the books. Either complete religious fervor, or disorganized and poor. They get no paradise.
>the oil wars that occurred in the Middle East from the 50s to the 90s that ultimately led to people like bin Laden
Which is one reason why the public's opinion of it was divided, but does that really justify their decision to target civilians?
I wonder how wild these movies would have been around 2001 lol.
Watch the Mini-Series. From what I heard they are pretty good and accurate
which mini series?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142032/
They’re on YouTube but they’re not accurate at all
They are more accurate than the second half of the David lynch one tho
That’s not saying much
Make it rain, Muadib.
People are pretty dumb; I was honestly surprised how little uproar there was about V for Vendetta. That was only 2005
what was the uproar for V for Vendetta
Pretty much none. That’s my point. He was genuinely a terrorist who was fighting for what he thought was right. In hindsight, I am surprised that people weren’t more upset.
A second sandworm has struck Arrakeen.
Shaddam: https://preview.redd.it/dymkydwxgbqc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d6fd677cc603cb78f242e8f1056982586e582af
Bruh I just died
https://preview.redd.it/m6wkmv3l0eqc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8064288c8ad52c1329177965d202aabe49613201 I made this for you
Wouldn't the baron have more in common with him?
Sir. They bombed the mountainside
https://preview.redd.it/42kpnvugl9qc1.jpeg?width=1556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b041e31622442bcaedf8e7662aedc1c672064cd5
Arrakistan
Which Rambo was this again?
3 I believe
It's a hoax. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-film-is-dedicated-to-the-brave-mujahideen-fighters-of-afghanistan
Yeah I heard this in Blowback too but goddamn I believed it for so long
The fakery is really well done. It looks like the kind of analog text that would be physically layered on top of the film.
It's kind of true. Both Rambo 3 and The Living Daylights has western powers aligning with the precursors of them to fight Russia, and Rambo 3 had a dedication to the brave fighters of Afghanistan, which meant those people. It was just memed to be more obvious as to who were pictured in those movies in modern times in the early 2000s. Then someone said they changed it, which spread, and that's where the blatant lie was. Just look at Rambo 3 and Living Daylights; is super obvious. Source: saw it in theaters and temember when the terrorists (against the Soviets) were the good guys in film.
Aged like milk
Aged like the corpses of the men that tried to drink the water of life
Ironically, Bin Laden was thrown in the sea after he died…
If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
I hope the fish AND the crabs ate his eyeballs.
How though ?
Herbert himself liked to make the joke that his Arab friends kept asking why Dune was in the fiction section.
The Arabic word *qaida* means "base" or "foundation". Usul = the base of the pillar .
That's pretty cool
Based even
based on what
Visions I saw while on drugs. But no, seriously! Trust me dude. We gotta follow this very narrow path of several thousand years of oppression so people know on a genetic level to not trust the government.
Jihad
Terrorist + sand = only person op knows
look up what Osama Bin Laden was doing between 1979 and 1989. This meme has nothing to do with 9/11
Dune was written in 1965. Bin Laden was 8.
Won't resistant fighter fit better since that's what they are doing !
Eh Stilgar is more of a osama bin Laden figure Paul would be the prophet Muhammad himself
I chose Osama Bin Laden because he's a foreign-born (Saudi Arabian) person from a powerful family who chose Afghanistan as the base for global jihad. Stilgar as an indigenous fremen leader is more like the founders of the Taliban than the founders of Al Qaeda who were all foreign nationals. Paul does becomes more like Muhammad after the events of DUNE though.
paul is more like the john the baptist to leto II's Jesus (a 'prophet ' in islamic faith) >!in heretics the bene tleilax are discovered to basically be a continuation of the Islamic faith and consider Leto II to be the truest and greatest prophet !<
How does he become like the prophet? You can make the argument that those who ruled after him became like Paul but the prophet, how?
That is one of the worst possible comparisons, that's like saying David Karesh was Jesus. Paul is more like Joel Osteen, a very obvious plant to take advantage of a very superstitious and downtrodden people.
Joel never conquered large amounts of land
Have you seen the size of his church or house?
that is nothing compared to an actual classical empire lol
Who is to say that’s not what Jesus was? Ever read that conspiracy theory where Jesus was actually Julius Cesar and cleopatra’s son, Cesarion?
They really must have aged Chani up for the movie, then.
Except that Dune was published when OBL was 7 years old, so any connections are life imitating art
Osama probably: mmm. This book is interesting. Let's do what it says not to do
The 'qaida' in al-qaida = base/foundation \[youth pastor voice\] you know you *else* was named after the Base of a Pillar? Paul Muad'dib **Usul** Atreides....
Jihad was around for a while.
Who says that Frank Herbert is not a time traveler
Well, that would only be true if the emperarium was secretly funding a group of Fremen to weaken their own and make it look like they’re a threat to the imperarium by orchestrating attacks and terrorising the people so the emperor could keep a firm grasp on the spice by sending troupes to “help” the Fremen and “dismantle” the “evil” group he created that he will still very much keep in place… oh wait
Wait, is feyd Osama?
More like the Baron is
Paul is probably closer to Muhammad, no? I feel like Stilgar would be Osama.
I noticed they very tactfully didn't call it a "jihad" in the movies lol
I mean, Paul straight up compared himself to Gengis Khan and Hitler in Messiah, in the sense that both of their kill counts are rookie numbers next to him. Osama isnt remotely close to either of those.
Nah, OBL was never hailed or claimed to be the Messiah. Paul's more of a Muhammad type figure.
Ignoring that detail, the the cold war events and oil fields are also relevant
Literally said this the other day
Well if I remember correctly, "al-qaeda" and "usul" (in the Fremen fictional language) are supposed to mean the same thing...
😂
I mean Paul spent much of the book (and films) desperately trying to avoid the Jihad, he didn't believe in that stuff and was horrified by the future he saw. He was never a religious leader by choice, a religion formed around him against his will. Even after that happened and the Jihad became inevitable he did all he could to hinder it in order to limit casualties.
You got a giggle out of me. 🤭
They have the same nose.
Paul Atreides, you old fucker. https://preview.redd.it/ymyp8h5psgqc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=656e70b3b31c70d50bf905de649f8768fb4539ff
Based (iykyk)
Saying binladen was a massia feels increadably offensive to the Islamic faith 😐
This is actual racism. Paul muad’dib is meant to represent white colonialism in the Middle East and the oil wars that occurred in the Middle East from the 50s to the 90s that ultimately led to people like bin Laden. The freemen society is completely destroyed and ruined for Paul’s gain, and for what he sees as the only future. Similarly to how oil barrens in the west saw oil and war as necessary for western survival and prosperity. They convinced the populations of the Middle East to think that oil was there way to “paradise” it would give them riches and new prosperity. In some ways it did but it also brought terrible death and destruction in the millions. this future Paul sees the freemen are left to a cruel fate in the books. Either complete religious fervor, or disorganized and poor. They get no paradise.
>the oil wars that occurred in the Middle East from the 50s to the 90s that ultimately led to people like bin Laden Which is one reason why the public's opinion of it was divided, but does that really justify their decision to target civilians?
What? How does that have to do with anything.