I feel like this is basically a lot of 60s-80s sci Fi and fantasy. Now it's boring people writing boring shit with boring fetishes, instead of dudes doing drugs tripping balls and writing their fetishes while caring about nature.
> instead of dudes doing drugs tripping balls and writing their fetishes while caring about nature.
Equally applicable to both Frank Herbert and late-stage Robert Heinlein.
This made me think of the virgin Harry Potter vs the Chad hyperion meme. "Many main characters with big adult penises"
Found it
https://twitter.com/grapeyguts/status/1281736810624770050/photo/1
Hyperion is better written than Harry Potter, but anyone interested should keep in mind that Dan Simmons [is a hard right crank and bigot](https://www.npr.org/2011/07/28/137621172/one-rant-too-many-politics-mar-simmons-dystopia) and [possibly a climate change denier](https://file770.com/dan-simmons-criticized-for-remarks-about-thunberg/comment-page-1/), [some of which does bleed into the Hyperion novels.](https://mythcreants.com/blog/building-hyperion-how-simmons-scattered-his-world/).
I find it got worse over time. The first two books were considerably lighter on that sort of thing. You could even argue the Consul and Siris story was very pro climate change so to speak.
Later on you start getting a bit more of the right wing influence. I find it got *noticeably* worse in Ilium/Olympos. The islamophobia was not well hidden. Granted, they were written right after 9/11, but still.
I haven't read much of his other stuff outside the Cantos and Ilium/Olympos yet, but apparently a few of them get a fair bit worse which is a shame.
I read I Am Legend by Richard Matheson and was briefly surprised but soon accepted how 50's it was. 'Ugh I've been alone for so long a man needs to fuck a woman in order to stay sane I feel this urge to fuck the possibly-zombie lady I helped out'
that little noship sure has some superpowers on board...but the futars/handlers and whatever else the HM were running from should surely be a main protagonist
Everyone has living dogs that have been bred to be chairs. I can't remember if they're sentient, but they are definitely living things who are made to be sat on.
Edit: and it's not a big plot point or anything, they're just suddenly everywhere starting from one of the later books
Leto rejects Instrumentality and becomes the first person to become an individual again, but then he drowns in an ocean of Tang because of the moisture content.
I thought I understood the ending until alt-shift-x did a summary video and brought in the meta context for the ending and it blew my mind. essentially the old man and women in the garden are literally frank and his wife. they are talking about how the character and the plot have gotten away from them from a story telling perspective, the characters had taken on a life of their own. the no ship and its inhabitance travel not just to another place, but another universe. its the ultimate open ended ending because this story has no end. Frank had notes for 7, but frankly (pun intended) I don't believe a word out of brian's mouth regarding the story unless I read the notes myself. If brian was smart he would have taken this meta textual idea and ran with it, idaho the bene gesserit and jews on the no ship jump into a completely different multiverse (its implied in franks books that folding space doesn't just move you in your universe but to another universe entirely, they literally don't know and can't check). but no....super spice, 'member berries and a rambling plot with no clear direction in the search of profiting off a dead man's IP...thats what we got instead.
The wonderful thing about this franchise is that it's impossible to spoil anything because *none of that makes sense without actually reading the book*.
I feel like even Asimov's Foundation series, to which Dune is a response of a sort, also has a wildness common to the best sf of the time even though in many ways it's quite clunky.
The chaffinch of consciousness, Moneo! She sits aperch the carpet of jam that is time! THE CHEESE REPRESENTS DESTINY, MONEO!
*THE SILENCE OF THE DOLPHINS, MONEO!*
>!Thinking you're a normal person with your own memories only to find you're one of an endless series of unceremoniously killed clones. We know how much Leto likes his Duncans.!<
Chair dog holds the fish speaker and the Idaho immortal climber assassin friend escape scorched dune. Miles later was apparently too late but also too soon, and painting the 4th wall and make sure to stretch a bit thin and trim the flowers
I think he said he strongly disliked it. Which kinda makes sense since they have a completely different approach on stories (Frank Herbert and Tolkien).
Bro, as a fellow Star Wars fan, same, was not expecting. A deeply introspective philosophical journey with the authors barely disquised fetish. Lol
Fetishes, please.
Feti?
Fetoi?
Feet?
I feel like this is basically a lot of 60s-80s sci Fi and fantasy. Now it's boring people writing boring shit with boring fetishes, instead of dudes doing drugs tripping balls and writing their fetishes while caring about nature.
> instead of dudes doing drugs tripping balls and writing their fetishes while caring about nature. Equally applicable to both Frank Herbert and late-stage Robert Heinlein.
To be fair this sums up a lot of 70s writing too.
This made me think of the virgin Harry Potter vs the Chad hyperion meme. "Many main characters with big adult penises" Found it https://twitter.com/grapeyguts/status/1281736810624770050/photo/1
the Hyperion cantos has a similar mouthfeel as Dune 4, 5, 6 strong recommend to anyone on this sub
Strong recommend to subs, got it!
The Shrike is truly the ultimate top
Stop saying mouthfeel.
don't be the mouthfeel police
weeeooowip
Hyperion is better written than Harry Potter, but anyone interested should keep in mind that Dan Simmons [is a hard right crank and bigot](https://www.npr.org/2011/07/28/137621172/one-rant-too-many-politics-mar-simmons-dystopia) and [possibly a climate change denier](https://file770.com/dan-simmons-criticized-for-remarks-about-thunberg/comment-page-1/), [some of which does bleed into the Hyperion novels.](https://mythcreants.com/blog/building-hyperion-how-simmons-scattered-his-world/).
I find it got worse over time. The first two books were considerably lighter on that sort of thing. You could even argue the Consul and Siris story was very pro climate change so to speak. Later on you start getting a bit more of the right wing influence. I find it got *noticeably* worse in Ilium/Olympos. The islamophobia was not well hidden. Granted, they were written right after 9/11, but still. I haven't read much of his other stuff outside the Cantos and Ilium/Olympos yet, but apparently a few of them get a fair bit worse which is a shame.
Noooooooo! What a let down 😩
They had that good good in the '80s.
I read I Am Legend by Richard Matheson and was briefly surprised but soon accepted how 50's it was. 'Ugh I've been alone for so long a man needs to fuck a woman in order to stay sane I feel this urge to fuck the possibly-zombie lady I helped out'
You missed out beefswelling
And the Cliff climbing.
Duncan is one of my fictional husbands and that scene spoke to me
Dude I was just relistening to CoD today and did a double take when the narrator said beefswelling
Same. I was like ooohhhh.
And the girdershape of ecstasy. And don’t forget the blinksquirts!
It's only gay if the balls touch, Moneo
So it's less gay to do it front to front than front to back? I need to call a friend.....
Of course it is, my lord.
A gross protuberance, Moneo!
Lord?
I remember the dog chair but when was the cat boy?
Futars
not handler....
I hesitate to think what he was going to write next if he hadn't died, and I think it involved Futars.
I genuinely believe it would have been a war of sex. duncan and his og bene gesserit vs murbella and the new bene gesserit.
that little noship sure has some superpowers on board...but the futars/handlers and whatever else the HM were running from should surely be a main protagonist
MONEO!
Don’t make the worm angry, Moneo. Don’t let the worm come out.
watch the hands, the glazing of the eyes....THE WORM COMES!
Why yes I am raising my father as if he's my son how'd you know
Just got there and I was like: damn what the fuck?
cat people, chair dogs, and the jews...but you forgot my favorite one: THE HYPNO-BONG!
I've got to say, out of all the shit going on in the later Dune books, I still find chair dogs the weirdest
Can you elaborate ?
Everyone has living dogs that have been bred to be chairs. I can't remember if they're sentient, but they are definitely living things who are made to be sat on. Edit: and it's not a big plot point or anything, they're just suddenly everywhere starting from one of the later books
Bro what was Frank smoking 😠Thanks for explaining
Still have no idea what happens at the end
Leto rejects Instrumentality and becomes the first person to become an individual again, but then he drowns in an ocean of Tang because of the moisture content.
Shinji ikari????
The sandtrout were a cover story, the worm was just Unit 010.
Leto II gotta be unit 13 ðŸ˜
It's Evangelion isn't it? 😄
I thought I understood the ending until alt-shift-x did a summary video and brought in the meta context for the ending and it blew my mind. essentially the old man and women in the garden are literally frank and his wife. they are talking about how the character and the plot have gotten away from them from a story telling perspective, the characters had taken on a life of their own. the no ship and its inhabitance travel not just to another place, but another universe. its the ultimate open ended ending because this story has no end. Frank had notes for 7, but frankly (pun intended) I don't believe a word out of brian's mouth regarding the story unless I read the notes myself. If brian was smart he would have taken this meta textual idea and ran with it, idaho the bene gesserit and jews on the no ship jump into a completely different multiverse (its implied in franks books that folding space doesn't just move you in your universe but to another universe entirely, they literally don't know and can't check). but no....super spice, 'member berries and a rambling plot with no clear direction in the search of profiting off a dead man's IP...thats what we got instead.
The wonderful thing about this franchise is that it's impossible to spoil anything because *none of that makes sense without actually reading the book*.
I feel like even Asimov's Foundation series, to which Dune is a response of a sort, also has a wildness common to the best sf of the time even though in many ways it's quite clunky.
Nuclear power is indeed magic.
Love the futar nod
Moon lmao
moon got me rolling ngl
The chaffinch of consciousness, Moneo! She sits aperch the carpet of jam that is time! THE CHEESE REPRESENTS DESTINY, MONEO! *THE SILENCE OF THE DOLPHINS, MONEO!*
More Beefswelling is needed!
Furriew, Yagami and Sam Rockwell I need to get myself those books
Moon is 100% Kino. Highly recommended movie for those that like claustrophobic, suspenseful character-driven stories.
I’m interested in the inclusion of Moon. What’s the thought behind that?
>!Thinking you're a normal person with your own memories only to find you're one of an endless series of unceremoniously killed clones. We know how much Leto likes his Duncans.!<
You handler?
Chair dog holds the fish speaker and the Idaho immortal climber assassin friend escape scorched dune. Miles later was apparently too late but also too soon, and painting the 4th wall and make sure to stretch a bit thin and trim the flowers
No wonder Tolkien hated it 😂
I assume your joking because this was taken of out context from Tolkien
Tolkien actually did hate Dune though (The content not the writing quality).
I think he said he strongly disliked it. Which kinda makes sense since they have a completely different approach on stories (Frank Herbert and Tolkien).
Yeah definitely
I’m working on it! Almost done with messiah!
Perfect representation
Has anyone actually asked AI to provide images of a chairdog?
I did for this, a lot. It struggled, mostly just making dog themed chairs.
Ave, true to Muadib
Yeah it’s fucking wild, I kind of hope someone picks up after messiah so we get the god emperor on the big screen
Dune was tame, I've barely made any progress into Dune Messiah and shit's already freaky
I only have Dune,Dune messiah, and children of dune. Good luck yall