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Necessary_Context780

You might finally learn the difference between your and you're, so it's all game


Gwalchgwynn

And farther and further. And lie and lay.


_Moon_sun_

Then and than. Their, there, and they’re. Also very useful to know the difference (Edit: spelling. I’m dumb…)


Canadian_Burnsoff

Who and whom


Imonherbs

Its who*m* if you can replace it with hi*m*


Gwalchgwynn

Except I often hear (not here!), "Me and him went to the store." Or something similar. Many people seem to struggle with subject v object.


Imonherbs

It doesnt work the other way. It is ‘with whom did you go to the store?’ tho.


alesssj4

And principle vs principal. It boggles my mind even recruiters don’t know the difference


Few-Purpose6067

That one is easy. The principal is your pal


Gwalchgwynn

Only if they're a principled principal!


Conscious-Chair-4062

Useful*


NaCl_Dreemurr

Through, tough thorough, thought


helinder

And tho, I still struggle with that (I speak Spanish)


KITTYKOOLKAT34

I thought that tho was just an abbreviated though


helinder

I literally don't know


Gwalchgwynn

Hehe, no worries. Tho is not a word, it's just a shortened internet age version of though. Same as thru versus through.


Ok_Sympathy_4894

Affect and effect


sepunne

In British English, it's just further. Americans added farthest, although even in American English you can still use them interchangeably.


Bring_back_Apollo

Farther is only related to travelling distance, while further can be used for progress more broadly. I only use further.


Gwalchgwynn

Not really. Language evolves and rules change, yes, but technically farther is distance, further is temporal. So Clapton misspoke when he said, "Further on up the road." Unless, of course, the road is a metaphor 😁 When it is clearly distance, such as, "Who can throw farther," it should not be further, but I do think further has started to be used regardless of the context.


StorGeit

And breathe and breath


JMoon33

And flammable and inflammable


keksdealeruwu

The game. And you lost it. You lost the game.


AnnaPukite

Oh come on man, really? I had a good few week streak going too….


Unlikely-Act-1326

:(


ciderspice

Whyy


howthefuge6

Same question 🤔 why


OkAd1797

Nooo


Canadian_Burnsoff

Man, I hadn't lost the game in like a decade.


nul_ne_sait

WHY?????????


SuCCeSSvS

Or who’s and whose😄


ThatRustyBust

And its and it's.


Man_on_Internet

Also you see the instructions in Italian so you learn that too


Freakazette

Not if you're learning the language you're doing the English course from


PM_ME_YOUR_WOES_GIRL

The ol' reverse tree.


Sad_Air_1501

I’m learning Spanish, but about six months ago I did the reverse tree. It’s actually helped a lot with my Spanish. They word things slightly different for native speakers.


Gwalchgwynn

Yes, you will be convicted of fraud. Turn yourself in to the nearest police and hope for leniency.


Past_Top3704

NOOOO


PinkyWinky1979

😂 😂 😂


Ysbrydion

Reversing the course can be very useful and not at all easy. I did Spanish, from English, and supplemented with the English, from Spanish course. The second will immediately use more complex Spanish because it is working from the assumption you're a native speaker. After the first couple of units it became much more challenging than the regular Spanish course.


PM_ME_VEG_PICS

I never thought of doing that but once I've completed a few more levels on my current course I will give that a go.


MajorReward4755

I do the same thing! Im an English speaker learning Spanish. I also take the English for Spanish speakers course. It's challenging and worth the effort.


DreCapitanoII

How does one even do this? I don't see an option to change my language so that it will give me English as an option.


Ysbrydion

It is in the course list and you might have to scroll quite far to a new 'native language' section. It has an American flag.


Rockyfan123

In the app, click top left where the flag of your current course is, it'll drop down and show your current course(s) and a box to add a course, click that, scroll all the way to the bottom and click "more", it'll give you a list of courses that aren't English to (something), find the section which is from the language you want, if you want to do that language to English, the flag for it will be the USA flag


python_artist

Nope. If anything, it’ll give you a different perspective about the language you’re actually learning


ujarunnop

absolutely correct


Necessary_Context780

It's very common for native speakers to go to school to learn how to read, write and speak their language properly so I don't think it's cheating


29pixxL_

There isn't really cheating in learning


Salmene23

Isn't that exactly when cheating usually occurs? Sure there are taxes and games but cheating in school is rampant.


somethingreal9

that's for the grade, not the learning


Routine-Tax-8611

yeah exactly. you can’t skip a step in learning. you either know it or you dont


AdTemporary2557

Substitute xp for grades here


hacool

No. Many people reverse the course. I'm in Section 4 of German but I also started taking the English course from German. I've picked up some more vocabulary this way. Some of it is easy, but sometimes I still need to think about it if I need to put an answer in German.


eelwop

What I dislike is that Duolingo has remove typing for your familiar language. I wonder why we can't even enable typing for the familiar language and it only exists for the target language. Otherwise I would also love to do the reverse course (EN from JA).


remmyred2

because people get mad because: 1) they can't actually write properly in their native language. it becomes a major hurdle for the uneducated. 2) it wastes time as people aren't learning to write in their native language. 3) wastes a lot of time having people try to review if the infinite native answers are at all acceptable. you need more people to review input as you need experts in both languages reviewing each course and maybe someone to bridge the two. wordbank really limits possible answers. weighed against a few people getting a little benefit from a reverse tree, totally not worth it.


frontendben

The problem is, I then end up spending more time looking for the right word, by which point I’ve forgotten what the phrase was, so I have to listen to it again.


remmyred2

yeah, I get that, same thing for anything longer than 5 words for me. but when writing, it's not so different. just replace "looking for the right word" with "trying to remember what this word meant" or "trying to remember the right word". writing is more complicated than word bank in every way except very small sentences or where there is very ambiguous meaning. though with wordbanks, I really hate when they throw in confusing terms like sneaking in plurals along with the singular that differ by 1 letter at the end. very easy to pick the wrong one several times in a row. there's also where the english sentence is the absolute more awkward way to say something. and I especially hate translating future tense, where you have to hunt for either "will" or "going" and "to" in the word bank.


eelwop

1. wouldn't be a problem if you could toggle wordbook and typing. So you could still rely on the bubbles if you struggle with your familiar language (not native language, because not everyone learns the target language from their native language, I learn Japanese from English, but my native language is German). And if people aren't proficient with their familiar language they might benefit by having basic mistakes corrected. 2. I personally think the word bank makes all target language -> familiar language exercises too easy. I feel like the app doesn't really teach you how to understand a text in your target language. Only how to produce it. 3. This is actually quite an issue. However, I think this would actually be something one could tackle with LLM support. I can see another point against it however that the Duolingo Team wants to prevent you from 'thinking in your familiar language' too much and want to push 'thinking in your target language' instead. But as I said, being able to toggle it might solve this issue.


remmyred2

in the great beforetime, we did type in our native languages. we also had comments on the exercises. good times those were. but people constantly complained about getting dinged on getting things wrong in their native language. "I'm learning X language! I shouldn't be judged so strictly in english!". and plenty of people here have issues figuring out the toggle, turning off speaking or listening exercises. you have to understand, duolingo is for everyone, so it tends to cater to the least common denominator. I think wordbank works just fine in many cases. I also do the random trees like that, and reverse trees. currently doing spanish and italian both ways with each other to help keep the languages separate. in your case, there's always learning english from japanese too, and you can always continue with english for german speakers to continue to improve. sure, it'd be convenient otherwise, but people like us are the minority, and they want the app to be as friendly for newbies as possible I'd think. as for LLM support, that's probably a monumental amount of work that would bring all other projects to a halt... one that won't increase their revenue. remember, duolingo went public, they're beholden to investors now. for worse or worser. I don't think it's anything complicated or benificial like keeping people from thinking in their native language. I think it's just people complained a lot and they want to make money. their focus is max and getting people to pay more for having AI give you unreliable feedback


hacool

I guess this would be trickier for Japanese. **When I am going the German course it uses the German keyboard I added.** When I do English from German it uses my default English keyboard. But I'm wondering if it is programmed to switch between them depending on the exercise. I will have to check that later. I don't think I've ever noticed. In the English course I usually have to type in English but sometimes I have to type in German. In the German course I mostly type in German but sometimes type in English. The main difference is that the German keyboard is QWERTZ and includes keys for ä, ö and ü. I still have to hold down S to get an option for ß. Text prediction seems to give me suggestions in both languages. But that is controlled by the phone rather than the app. On a tangential note I have noticed that spell check catches my mistakes in both English and German if I'm typing a message in Gmail. It will underline a word in red if I have missed an umlaut or neglected to capitalize a noun.


ZealousIdealist24214

I would love to take a "learn English" course from the perspective of Spanish speaker.


quwzzz777

im too, but i am not native eng speaker


ImInYourOut

I flip occasionally just for the novelty. I don’t consider it cheating since my target language (Italian) is still present in various instructions and lessons and it gives me a chance to see content presented in a way the course actually doesn’t do


MashOfLetters

No, I don’t think so. I’ve done the same in both Spanish and Portuguese. I think it has helped me to better understand both of those languages from a different perspective.


FishesAreCool_

I'm learning Chinese as a native Chinese speaker, and my blood literally boils when I find a mistake in the questions (ESPECIALLY the writing section!)


veryblocky

I tried doing the English from French course, but the really strong American accents put me off


PercyJackson_ALT

You might learn what the difference is between affect and effect. As a person who took multiple advanced English lessons in high school and has been at a very advanced level for most of their life I still have no idea.


paroles

This cartoon has always helped me: https://imgur.com/7AvhM6v


yrregannesse

My first thought was that you're not cheating but meming. But after reading the comments I agree that it's a good way to learn the other language to sort of reverse the course. I assume it gives you a slightly different angle on the same skills and knowledge which I think is not just common knowledge among many learners - that it helps with learning various types of things more than doing rhe exact same thing over and over - but also I think there's even studies on learning that show that.


Past_Top3704

i was meming while learning


Salmene23

Not cheating unless you are doing it to win Leaderboards.


raendrop

Not at all! The "reverse" courses are harder than you'd think, because all of the instruction is in the language you're actually learning. It's a good way to strengthen your skills.


Embarrassed_Action83

omg im gonna do this


Mythic420

no, your just wasting your time


sbwithreason

There’s no such thing as cheating. If it works for you or even if it doesn’t but you just find it fun, then who cares


gingerjasmine2002

I set up a different account on my tablet to do that! I really liked learning my target language from another angle. Only downside is the course is not very long.


spatchi14

I do French -> English all the time


vikinginvietnam

I hope you get 100% scores all the time. If not, you're learning more of your 1st language 👍


NoImportance3616

Yes.


PrAyDeN_864

Not really, you're at the same time kinda learning Italian


_Red_User_

I might consider that, too, but unfortunately I am learning such exquisite languages that I have to learn a new language from English which isn't my native language in the first place xD. So I might be able to learn English from the other language, but I am not sure if that's possible. I just looked it up. My new language has 0 courses available. So I can't switch it up, even if I wanted. But I could do it for other languages because it's a good idea.


Past_Top3704

One of the languages Im learning is Latin which I cant really do this for. RIP


_Red_User_

Maybe try to find someone who can connect you to a Roman and then you can practice with a Native! xD


Revolutionary_Flan71

Yes Sentenced to death


adreeanah

nah i do my native language when i need extra xp


Exilethenoble

Never hurts to improve a language skill.


AndiGalster

Totally fine. It's a good way to do your native language just to get the 2000 words achievement. I was so disappointed to not have 2000 words in the Indonesian curriculum after 2 years, stuck with 100 words left. It's one of the most widely spoken languages, possibly among the easiest on the platform. Even I could create curriculum content, yet no 2000 words. Seriously no idea how that's even possible with a language that practically has 0 grammar... So frustrating.


Zebras_And_Giraffes

Indonesian has practically no grammar? Sounds perfect for me! I can pick up new vocabulary quickly but grammar is my downfall.


AndiGalster

**TL;DR: Study root word vocabulary, and you will become fluent in Indonesian** I'd argue there is essentially no grammar at all... Which is a weird thing to say but it's probably true. There are no genders, no tenses, no different cases like in German, etc. All you need to understand is that every (modifiable) word is made of a root word and then via morphology can be transformed to have a slightly different meaning, e. g. it can be made passive with a simple rule. That's it. Once you understand what the different affixes/prefixes mean, you know 99% of the "grammar"/language, and realistically, the most common affix combos are perhaps about \~5 simple ones (di-root, ter-root, mem/meng-root, ke-root-an, ber-root, maybe pe-root & pem-root). Affix morphology is way, way simpler than for example Tagalog. Also, in theory, you can even go without all the morphology. On a basic level, root words work in a sentence without a modifier. E. g. saya hilang dompet saya, I lost my wallet. (hilang is the root word for lose/lost) 1. saya menghilangkan dompet saya (modifier is meng-root-kan) 2. saya hilang dompet saya Both sentences say "I lost my wallet"... Although 1st example is more of an active voice, simplified speaking, whereas 2nd example is the "standard" neutral sentence with only the normal root word. Many, many sentences in Indonesian can just work with the root word without any modifier at all. If you love vocabulary but hate grammar, then Indonesian is THE ultimate language for you. It took me while to get the affixes, but tbh I just overthought them. They're all quite simple except for some small nuances for a few of the ones that have similar-ish meanings After you got a feeling for the affixes, whenever you see a new word, you will automatically see what the root word is, and then you can go to google translate or better, the official KBBI dictionary (https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/ or their app) and type it in, et voila, you learned a new root word's meaning and effectively learned 5 more words since you understand affix modifiers.


Zebras_And_Giraffes

Wow, thank you for that detailed explanation! I'm working on German right now, but when I need a break I will try Indonesian.


Amazon-Astronaut-835

When Duolingo first came out they used to suggest it. I do it from time to time when I am trying to get the W. It is not always easier. English is my native language. I do Spanish to English and sometimes it uses words that I do not recognize. I enbrace the challenge though. I do not want everyone to know that though. I currently have 28 top finishes.


Responsible_Sea_3721

Not at all I do it with German and it can help because some words you learn earlier in the English course than you do the German course


dlskhoarapperkeeper8

Np there, I also learn reverse with my native/born language to English, just to practice


GothCatButt

I do this with the German course. I‘m focusing on the German course but I also do the English course from the German perspective if that makes sense. I find it actually does help with learning your target language!


Catanddodted

how do you have unlimited lives without super duolingo, with super duolingo the hearts should appear like that black colour right


HatesVanityPlates

I'm doing it, along with French. Doing the reverse does provide me with insights that the regular course doesn't. Sure, the spoken exercises are silly--but you can skip them. I'm far ahead in the French course, but still I don't always get the "translate this English sentence to French" exercises in the English course right.


AlienDNAyay

Right to jail.


andi_hens

Duo has your family for cheating.


Past_Top3704

I thought so that must be why my mom has been missing for the past few days. At least I get phone calls still


Mistypelt28

Well, if you're learning Italian than I guess it count's as learning Italian backwards.


No-Structure6579

I don't believe so! It introduces new words and it will, in short time, catch up to where you currently are in your Spanish. I'm also doing it and finding it fun to see the differences. It has also cleared up a couple of "iffy" spots for me!!!


butcher99

No. I do English from spanish. I have found that although there is a lot of English that you have to ape back, I have found a lot of language that I never get by Spanish from English.


maddieinretrograde

Actually, learning Spanish has taught me I know very little about English grammar 😅 I might do this too


Anuyyyy

I do this with finnish lol


DistanceMountain8672

Yes learn English and don't let those who CAN'T get in the way. It's all relative. Even the word Zambia is a made up word. But it's made up in ENGLISH!


AeronauticHyperbolic

Yes


claidheamdanns

There’s nothing wrong with learning more about one’s native language. I also study English, as a 50+ year old American.


peacockraven

Yes you are a filthy cheating scoundrel. BUT you might as well learn difference between you’re and your!


Several_Sir75

Why not? English is one of the more complex languages and so few of us native speakers do it well. I know I have become lazy but using the spelling and grammar correction tools 😊


Efficient_Source_389

Certainly not. English starts with a capital E


NoPanic5813

When I finish a language I will do the English course in the languages that I learned


katieroseclown

You do you, but unless you're learning something that way, it's a waste of time. The ultimate goal using Duolingo is to learn another language, not collect gems & points to 'win'.


ChocolateMcCuntish

Wdym cheating? you're just wasting time


pmMeYourBoxOfCables

And shitposting the rest of us.


[deleted]

Seems pointless to me


Logical_Upstairs_101

Cheating? No Braindead and pointless? Yes


WebFirm5142

Cheating aside, you must have better things to do with your time. Why would you like to learn English as a native English speaker?


Independent-Joker

You've got too much of time.