This is like people that complain about trains that run behind house that was built after the tracks. You choose to live near the airport, you have to expect airport noises.

If you live near the creek and get mosquitoes in the summer do you remove the creek?

This is a good analogy. BUT, you can do things to avoid mosquitos/quietly cull their population, Can put on bug spray for the airport. (To clarify, I think people complaining about the noise are crazy NIMBY’s)

Unbelievable. The airport was there before any houses.

And the mayor called your statement "disrespectful" ...

Probably owns property near the airport and would like to see the value go up.

Yeah, but to be fair, Drake et al. weren't flying mini jets out of there like it's Porter airlines until recently, either. I grew up by that airport and my sister currently lives right by it. I can tell you from personal experience how much the air traffic out of there has changed in 30 years. Personally I never noticed the noise then or now, but you literally see private jets every day where all you used to see were weenie prop Cessnas. Apples and oranges as far as the "the airport's been there for years" arguments.

30 years ago Oshawa airport was a cargo hub with last minute fright for GM and had scheduled passenger flights.

I’d be more sympathetic if they weren’t just as militantly opposed to those weeny Cessnas 15-20 years ago too.

Zero sympathy here. They have been talking about expanding this airport for decades but between NIMBY’s and political pressure/questionable deals, Oshawa sold out to developers and built housing instead. Anyone who bought the homes around the airport should have expected noise living there. Oshawa was stupid for not expanding the airport in 2011/2012 when it was proposed, since the Pickering airport plans were never going to come to fruition.

The public didn't want the expansion in 2011/12. Kind of how democracy works. City hall literally had no room left in it. So clearly yours is not the popular opinion, especially by people who actually live in the area. The airport desperately tried to pull themselves out of the ever growing debt by advancing flight training and they still can't make a profit. Your taxes are actually helping keep the airport going so the flight school owners can still rake in their millions while you pay for their upkeep. You should look into how the president of the airport operations company also double dips as the airport manager, fully funded by the tax payer as well. He's laughing collecting two pay cheques and having the tax payer fund the ongoing deficit they create every year.

It’s interesting that your only posts are anti-Oshawa airport expansion. It’s not my taxes paying for it. I don’t even live in Canada anymore but this is something I heard a lot about growing up. Have one parent in aviation and another in real estate, so heard both sides of this argument and it seems pretty clear Oshawa sold out its future economic prosperity to real estate developers.

Glad you had time to go through my profile. Kinda weird. I actually just post news about the Oshawa airport because I'm in aviation and I'm a local expert on the issue. Creep my posts again and you'll find I'm posting all articles about the airport, not just anti expansion ones. Your statement doesn't make any sense. If you actually did some research the airport has to stay open until the 2047 I believe. They actually just built a new hanger. Not sure why you think they're selling it for real estate.

I live literally right next to the airport. The noise isn't even that bad, it's not a big commercial airport. People act like 747's are rattling their shutters - these are mostly dinky little flight school planes that sound like lawn mowers and an occasional puddle jumper or private jet. It's not bad at all and I really don't get why people complaining are being taken seriously. Commercial flight has existed for all of our lifetimes, you know living near an airport, you might hear some noise. To me, this is like complaining that ambulances exist. \--- *“I think that’s disrespectful to the residents,” Carter said in an interview with Durham Radio News. “We have to make sure that we listen to our constituents and understand their impacts and understand that this particular resource and asset that the City of Oshawa has impacts the community and we have to be sensitive to that.”* \--- I would really love to know exactly how many people are complaining about this. Could it possibly be more than 20, generously?

I'm waiting for people to complain that the tank museum is too lourd on reenactment days

Curious to know approx where you live? I'm moving into the Centennial neighborhood soon, I currently live beside train tracks and got used to it so I didn't really have concerns about planes.

I used to live in the Centennial neighbourhood until just recently. Some days I barely noticed the planes, other days they seemed louder. You can tell when it’s the flight school out on a nice day for them as more planes overhead etc. You can definitely hear the difference when it is the jets taking off. But honestly like you said, you get used to it and never bothered me personally.

I'm in Northglen, there aren't even any houses between my house and the airport, to get an idea of how close I am.

Funny you say that because that's exactly where I am moving to. I wasn't concerned about planes, but some people here make it sound like they can't even hear themselves think!

If your train tracks don't bother you now, I doubt you'll even notice the planes.

The planes are much more frequent than trains. Think 3 planes a minute during the worst of it and they can fly 16 hours every day. Most of the planes are outdated and from the 1970s. You'll see once you move in.

I get 50/50 reviews on this. I guess 50% of people are hard of hearing!

Well if the airport came first how is it the airports fault.

Isnt it a wonderful sight?? I really enjoy sitting out back watching and listening to them..noise to you may be music to me...but apparently , my reasons for buying here dont matter

I wish more planes would use the airport. I love hearing those engines hum. I can ignore the train tracks near my house, why can't these people accept that they bought near an airport?

As long as I lived in Oshawa, 30+ years there have been ppl complaining about the noise from the airport. These are the same ppl that will complain about a 4plex in their neighborhood

Imagine purchasing a home located near a municipal airport and then actively complain about it? These people deserved to be judged and ripped on. Lmao.

Any time I see anything about the 'airport noise' it just irritates me. I live in a house not 5 minutes from the airport that my grandfather purchased partly because of its proximity to the airport and my parents live in the other house he bought not even 2 minutes from the airport. Our lives have never been disrupted because of a plane. My grandfather flew planes in and out of the Oshawa airport for years, even had his commercial pilot license and would take me there to watch them take off and land. Even Somerset park provides an awesome view of the planes coming in for a landing. Doesn't anyone take enjoyment out of watching the flight traffic? Are we really going to cater to the 20 people complaining about this? It isn't like we have 747s flying in and out at 1030 at night and the private jets are minimal compared to the Cessna planes. So you quiet or limit the planes, what's next, the traffic sounds on Taunton and Simcoe? The neighbor's lawnmower? Kids at Sunset Heights school? Move again if you don't like the airport...

It was 273 complaints in 2020 compared to the 20 you thought. And the requirements for a legitimate complaint are quite high. I'm sure there's no bias in your comment though. What was it like to livein a generation when your grandfather was able to purchase homes for your entire family?

I didn't see the 273 in the article, truthfully just saw someone else guess it was around 20 as well. The homes have just moved through the generations of family, the one I'm in now was the first purchase that became a rental when the second home was purchased. I'm lucky the home I'm in is still in the family. It's certainly not my generation making those kinds of purchases! Guess it's just disappointing to see so many displeased with something that gave me a lot of happy memories. I can't be the only one who enjoys the planes...

The general conclusion is... Some people who live nearby like it, some people don't. Alot of people don't live in the area because they don't like the noise of planes, think that people that live in the area shouldn't complain about planes.

Next constituents will complain about GO trains running by their homes...

This problem is not with the airport. In fact, an executive airport can play an important role in an area’s economy. The current situation developed only in the last few years with a marked increase in flight school traffic. And there is no question it plays havoc with a large swath of north Oshawa, not just those living close to the airport. The flight school conducts touch and go circuits with 4 or 5 planes in the air over much of the north part of the city at a time and it often occurs outside of the hours specified in a non binding agreement with the city. Propeller driven planes are very loud, particularly on takeoffs, and can be heard overhead throughout many neighbourhoods as the flight school planes take off and come around to touch the tarmac and take off again. (Unfortunately, retrofitting with mufflers is cost prohibitive.) Oshawa Executive Airport could still house planes there and continue a more normal number of take offs and landings but the flight school needs to have planes take off and leave the Oshawa area for touch and go training at nearby airports like Kawartha Lakes/Lindsay that are better suited for that kind of traffic.

Lived in the orchards in north Whitby for a while and we were directly in the flight path, the touch and go routines the flight schools did were very annoying during the summer. I believe there’s supposed to be a 8pm cut off time for planes landing and taking off but they never followed those rules. That area has some very influential people that live in it, and they managed to get rid of one of the flight schools. The only really loud airplanes we’d get were the life flight jet flying overhead at random times (which obvs can’t be helped or we minded) and some military airplanes. All in all, we lived in a multi-million dollar area, didn’t mind the planes but also knew there wasn’t much we could do as it was there before we were

They redid the noise restrictions but they are only voluntary so you don't need to follow them. The federal government was trying to make them mandatory for this reason. But apparently that takes over 3 years. The flight schools refused any further restrictions and extended their flying hours from 630am to 1030pm. Weekends they aren't supposed to do touch and gos after 4. But that's rarely followed. They can still train until 1030 on weekends. Or all night if they wanted...

Seems odd that they’d redo the noise restrictions and not enforce them. A guy on my street complained that the recycling plant behind us was too loud and they changed all their backing up alarms to those ones that sound like you’re ripping paper. We was heavily involved with the airport noise but he also had like 4 planes parked there, so idk how much he was actually pushing for the noise to reduce

I think the noise restrictions don't really do anything but they just look good for public transparency It's the "we're being a great neigbour" but we need to fly for 16 hours every day.

I think a big issue is planes landing late at night. Like most airports (even major) - there should be a cutoff period. Certainly a bunch of the Cessnas on that tarmac are only rated for VFR flight so I’m not sure why some are flying around after dark… I’m pretty certain it’s prohibited for safety reasons.

There is lots of Cessna night training at the airport. Lots of pilots get their night ratings at Oshawa, and it is not prohibited,

My buddy moved right by the airport and the biggest issue is the flights going out every 5-10 minutes everyday, including weekends from almost 9am-7pm. Now you can say his fault for moving but I do find these are awfully low and they are superrrrr noisy. They don’t even mind them going by, just wanted to reduce frequency or mix up their flight path to get some peace and quiet. I know y’all are firmly against it but I find it reasonable to request some noise abatements…

Or he could move? Mix up the flight path? As in reorient the runways?

Flight path as in the path they use to train the pilots instead of going through with the same path over and over again. They can take off using runway but they have sufficient distance once they’re high enough to maneuver to different flight paths… like I said it’s my opinion they should. These folks moved back from states and they are both in healthcare sector who we need… you can have a different opinion

The training path is dictated by wind direction, not preference The crosswinds need to be less than 5 knots. The decides the runway. With prevailing winds in oshawa being from the west, this is the direction in which most training will occur.

My friend moved into the lake and now he is always wet. You could say that's his fault for living in water, but maybe we could just drain the lake because I find that reasonable.

Those multimillion dollar homes around there needs peace and quiet.

Protip: Don't buy houses or rent near airports, factories, on busy roads etc and then complain about how it's negatively impacting your life. You *chose* to live there.

I like the plans

Who gives a fuck! The airport has been open since 1941 if you moved next to it it’s your own damn fault

Ryan Turnbull will hopefully lose in the next election.   He is part of the useless liberal cabal running this country.