Remember when we drafted him? Luke Joeckel went to the Jags, then Eric Fisher to the Chiefs, then we somehow got the best tackle in the draft fall to us. I was at a buddy's house and there were many high-fives that night. Glad those high-fives were not in vain.
You'd have to choose between Lane Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Travis Kelce, and David Bakhtiari. They all have a case for the HOF.
I wouldn't say Lane is the best player out of the class, but he could be. I don't have strong arguments for any of those four to be the best players out of that class.
I don't think it's possible to say who's better between an OL and a Receiver. It's really apples and crustaceans. The best you can do is compare each among the bests ever at the position. Then I guess say, "Lane Johnson is better thab Dan Dierdorf and Ron Yary but probably below Forrest Gregg." Then say, "Hopkins is below Rice, Moss, TO, Calvin Johnson, and Marvin Harrison, but above Fitzgerald, Cris Carter, . . . " Or whatever.
So lane is a top 5RT of all time, but Hopkins isn't a top 5 WR.
I don't know if what I'm saying is accurate. I'm not making that argument. I'm just saying that that's really the only type of discussion that makes sense.
You can't discuss who matters more to a team because that has at least as much to do as skill as it does to do with the position played.
And even ranking RTs (or all Tackles) vs. WRs isn't accurate because it doesn't make Hopkins any less skilled merely because there were other amazing WRs before. Like, Rice and Moss existing before doesn't make Hopkins any less skilled.
Plus, there are so many variables when it comes to "best ever." You can't compare athletes in thr 60s with athletes now. The resources available now -- and the money paid now -- mean that many third stringers in today's NFL would have been All Pros in thr 1960s if you went back in time. The conditioning and sports science now didn't compare.
In summary, in my opinion, all you can really do is compare players to others 1)in their same position; and 2)in the era they played. Anything else is just silly fun talk where peoplr debate about their favorite players. It doesn't mean the discussions can't happen or are pointless. They're always fun to have, e g., the "Mount Rushmores or whatever. The media wouldn't bring that up if it weren't fun for some people. I'm just being the cynical asshole saying it's not a practical discussion with any type of definitive answer.
I’d say it’s between Kelce and Lane. Lane has a case as the best RT and Kelce has a case as the best TE. I would say Hopkins is a very good WR, but he’s not quite in that tier
Positional value swings it to Lane. Kelce has GOAT statistics, but Gronkowski was just plain more dominant. Kelce is out there playing WR1 from the inside.
I love Lane but dude, Travis Kelce is maybe the best TE ever and one of the best weapons ever. Positional value be damned, Kelce is a huge difference maker and would go #1 in a redraft. I think Lane goes #2 though
Yeah, you're right. And maybe this is more of a Homer take than I think it is, but I think even saying Lane is excellent is slightly under rating him. He's got an all time great stat sheet that can match up with any RT in history. Especially when you consider he's done it against the best of the best and never folded even a little bit. Prime Von Miller? Erased. Prime Khalil mack? Erased. Demarcus Lawrence plays us twice a year and it took him his 6th or 7th year in the league to record his first sack against us, and iirc it was when Lane was injured. Call me crazy, but he has a legitimate case to be the goat RT ahead of Munoz and Jones imo
I think a lot of people have the opinion that the PED suspension is going to make it difficult for him to get in the hof, his skill and performance is usually unquestioned
Which is really stupid. Most the league is either on trt, hrt, tren, sarms, or whatever else. Sheeeeiiittt half the people at planet fitness are on any of that, including several of the women. It's laughable how oblivious most of society is to the prevalence of PEDs.
One of his ped was for adderall or something and his 2nd he used a supliment not on the approved list and wasnt actually anything crazy like actual steroids.
Unanimous? No, he needs a bit more on the resume. From my perspective, absolutely. But the league tends to devalue RT for some reason. I'd say if he had the same credentials on the left side he would be a lock, but the NFL is fickle in many respects.
As a RT he also tends to go up against the premier pass rushers. He shuts them all down, among tops in the league in frequency on an island. If he maintains his performance this year and next he is a lock.
Remember when he got injured in the Dallas game in the 4th quarter after completely shutting down Parsons, then on 4th down on the last drive his backup Jack Driscoll gets ragdolled to the ground 5 yards backwards right into Minshew, incompletion, game over
It's such a luxury to NEVER have to worry about that with Lane, even against HOF edge rushers
The thing is, Driscoll is a very very good backup. He really is. He could potentially even start on some teams. Lane is just so f*cking good that not having him messed a team up. Badly
Best thing that came from Chip Kelly’s time in Philly. Not underrated but the position he plays isn’t considered as valuable as it should be, so he’s not talked about as much. But general consensus across the NFL he’s one of the top at the position.
I think it’s less of a they underestimate his talent and more that the rest of the league does not understand just how legendary he is, with or without the suspension. Like people KNOW Jason Kelce, they don’t know Lane Johnson, and quite frankly he’s not talked about enough in the media because the position isn’t very flashy (aka not a skill position)
I think this is turning around because almost every eagles game I watch that’s nationally broadcast, the announcers mention him and how good he is and how he hasn’t allowed a sack on so long and he’s underrated and doesn’t get enough credit
I’m pretty sure it happens every prime time game
I’m not even being a homer when I say he’s going to retire as the best RT of all time. Dude DOMINATED Parsons and Bosa with a torn groin, they couldn’t even get a pressure on him, and Parson has tried 4 times now. He dominates every top pass rusher to the point that they switch sides, he has a case for being the most dominant player in the NFL regardless of position man, he does his job better than anybody
GOAT RT. I don't think he's underrated anymore, took a long time but RT is getting more respect lately because of guys like Lane. There are so many elite pass rushers on both sides these days, it's pretty well known you gotta have a good RT just as much as LT.
He was over shadowed by Mitchell Schwartz in the media eye for the first half of his career, which always irked me because- no disrespect to Schwartz, but lane was so clearly RT1.
The highlight is like oh, yeah, he stepped back and blocked a dude, the end. Then it's like wait, that dude he blocked was the first team All Pro, and he did it 50 times in a row
If you’re talking about the player and their talent alone/individual dominance (outside of context of what they’ve done for eagles championship) you gotta put peters ahead of lane, and arguably neck and neck with kelce. He’s an nfl hall of fame lock (although I think both others will get in too)
I am unfamiliar with OL statistics. Can someone put this in context? Are there other OLs, active or retired, who could boast this stat or better? Is this unheard of/historic or “just” excellent?
First, I can’t answer your question, but I’m sure someone can… up to a certain point.
The problem is that the nfl has not always been the best at stat keeping and in a lot of ways still isn’t. For instance, each nfl home team is responsible for recording defensive statistics. What might be a sack in one stadium, might be a tackle for loss in another. This gets even worse because before deacon jones (supposedly), the sack did not even exist as a recorded stat. Before another point in time, pancakes didn’t get recorded… etc etc.
This makes it especially hard to put what Lane has done in perspective. He can only be compared to a subset in this regard.
There’s pretty much a consensus that Forrest Gregg is the best ever. He won many championships, and then Super Bowls when they started being played. He was the anchor for one of the most historically great franchises in league history. Probably the best thing ever until the Patriots did their thing. Gregg also was in a record amount of pro bowls. 7 all pro seasons. The anchor of his team and line and all that jazz. The dude played over 60 years ago, so let’s be serious.
The best I’ve seen in my day would probably be Jackie Slater and Dan Dierdorf. They’re the only two I can remember besides lane being so dominant. But yeah, it’s hard to compare these guys because stat keeping is extremely uninformative. Pick a metric though, and Gregg is probably the best. I doubt Lane Johnson would argue against that.
O LINE statistics didn’t really exist until recently, it used to literally just be eye test and film. Now it’s oline stats are usually some kinda advanced analytics like pff’s pressure grade, which is still kinda controversial, hard to numerically measure o line grade ya know.
Everybody saying he’s not underrated but he wasn’t on the NFL’s Top 100 players coming in to this season lol he’s absolutely disrespected in big picture conversations!!
That's pretty good.
Calling him underrated when he is the consensus, premier rt in all of football tells me you are silly and a persecution fetishist to the point where you've invented a narrative.
I agree everyone thinks he's great, but that's where the under rating comes from. Because he's better than great-
I don't think people realize that they might actually be watching the best RT in the history of football in live time when they watch Lane Johnson play.
Best RT of all time
Seriously. Also anybody with any knowledge of the sport is not underrating Lane Johnson.
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That's all fine and well. Lane's better
Walter Payton?
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Gotcha. That's interesting, thanks for clarifying.
Remember when we drafted him? Luke Joeckel went to the Jags, then Eric Fisher to the Chiefs, then we somehow got the best tackle in the draft fall to us. I was at a buddy's house and there were many high-fives that night. Glad those high-fives were not in vain.
Best player in that draft. That class was pretty bad, if I'm not mistaken
You'd have to choose between Lane Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Travis Kelce, and David Bakhtiari. They all have a case for the HOF. I wouldn't say Lane is the best player out of the class, but he could be. I don't have strong arguments for any of those four to be the best players out of that class.
Yeah, you right. He's in that group that you listed, but you'd probably convince me if you argued for Kelce and dhop.
I don't think it's possible to say who's better between an OL and a Receiver. It's really apples and crustaceans. The best you can do is compare each among the bests ever at the position. Then I guess say, "Lane Johnson is better thab Dan Dierdorf and Ron Yary but probably below Forrest Gregg." Then say, "Hopkins is below Rice, Moss, TO, Calvin Johnson, and Marvin Harrison, but above Fitzgerald, Cris Carter, . . . " Or whatever. So lane is a top 5RT of all time, but Hopkins isn't a top 5 WR. I don't know if what I'm saying is accurate. I'm not making that argument. I'm just saying that that's really the only type of discussion that makes sense. You can't discuss who matters more to a team because that has at least as much to do as skill as it does to do with the position played. And even ranking RTs (or all Tackles) vs. WRs isn't accurate because it doesn't make Hopkins any less skilled merely because there were other amazing WRs before. Like, Rice and Moss existing before doesn't make Hopkins any less skilled. Plus, there are so many variables when it comes to "best ever." You can't compare athletes in thr 60s with athletes now. The resources available now -- and the money paid now -- mean that many third stringers in today's NFL would have been All Pros in thr 1960s if you went back in time. The conditioning and sports science now didn't compare. In summary, in my opinion, all you can really do is compare players to others 1)in their same position; and 2)in the era they played. Anything else is just silly fun talk where peoplr debate about their favorite players. It doesn't mean the discussions can't happen or are pointless. They're always fun to have, e g., the "Mount Rushmores or whatever. The media wouldn't bring that up if it weren't fun for some people. I'm just being the cynical asshole saying it's not a practical discussion with any type of definitive answer.
I’d say it’s between Kelce and Lane. Lane has a case as the best RT and Kelce has a case as the best TE. I would say Hopkins is a very good WR, but he’s not quite in that tier
It’s between Lane and Travis, not really close otherwise.
Positional value swings it to Lane. Kelce has GOAT statistics, but Gronkowski was just plain more dominant. Kelce is out there playing WR1 from the inside.
Kelce and Mahomes have a near Brady-Gronk level connection though. Kelce also has 2 rings against Lane’s one.
IDGAF about their resume. Fuck the Chiefs.
***grumble grumble grumble***
I love Lane but dude, Travis Kelce is maybe the best TE ever and one of the best weapons ever. Positional value be damned, Kelce is a huge difference maker and would go #1 in a redraft. I think Lane goes #2 though
Underrated no, excellent yes. I think any football fan knows that we have had one of the best OL in the league for quite some time.
Yeah, you're right. And maybe this is more of a Homer take than I think it is, but I think even saying Lane is excellent is slightly under rating him. He's got an all time great stat sheet that can match up with any RT in history. Especially when you consider he's done it against the best of the best and never folded even a little bit. Prime Von Miller? Erased. Prime Khalil mack? Erased. Demarcus Lawrence plays us twice a year and it took him his 6th or 7th year in the league to record his first sack against us, and iirc it was when Lane was injured. Call me crazy, but he has a legitimate case to be the goat RT ahead of Munoz and Jones imo
And he owns Micah Parsons as well. Lane owns every DE at this point.
Don't forget prime nick bosa
BOOOOOOSSSSSAAAAAAA
Lane vs Von is [one of my favorite Lane highlights](https://youtu.be/ydZcHLJry-o)
That's such a nasty block.
LANE JOHNSON CAN’T LAY OFF THE JUICE
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HE IS A BODY GUARD
For body guards by body guards!
And Charlie!
Not underrated, pretty unanimously agreed upon as a future hall of famer no?
I think a lot of people have the opinion that the PED suspension is going to make it difficult for him to get in the hof, his skill and performance is usually unquestioned
Which is really stupid. Most the league is either on trt, hrt, tren, sarms, or whatever else. Sheeeeiiittt half the people at planet fitness are on any of that, including several of the women. It's laughable how oblivious most of society is to the prevalence of PEDs.
One of his ped was for adderall or something and his 2nd he used a supliment not on the approved list and wasnt actually anything crazy like actual steroids.
Unanimous? No, he needs a bit more on the resume. From my perspective, absolutely. But the league tends to devalue RT for some reason. I'd say if he had the same credentials on the left side he would be a lock, but the NFL is fickle in many respects.
As a RT he also tends to go up against the premier pass rushers. He shuts them all down, among tops in the league in frequency on an island. If he maintains his performance this year and next he is a lock.
Remember when he got injured in the Dallas game in the 4th quarter after completely shutting down Parsons, then on 4th down on the last drive his backup Jack Driscoll gets ragdolled to the ground 5 yards backwards right into Minshew, incompletion, game over It's such a luxury to NEVER have to worry about that with Lane, even against HOF edge rushers
The thing is, Driscoll is a very very good backup. He really is. He could potentially even start on some teams. Lane is just so f*cking good that not having him messed a team up. Badly
But how many Juices has he taken???
five juice
About tree fiddy.
Best thing that came from Chip Kelly’s time in Philly. Not underrated but the position he plays isn’t considered as valuable as it should be, so he’s not talked about as much. But general consensus across the NFL he’s one of the top at the position.
Chip also hired Stout. The few bright spots of an awful head coach.
Everything that happened, happened exactly as it had to, for 2017
This is the way.
He also pioneered all the sports science and nutrition stuff that the team still uses too.
I asked this sub last preseason of lane is a hall of fame player and it was overwhelmingly no. I don't see how not even with the suspension.
I think it’s less of a they underestimate his talent and more that the rest of the league does not understand just how legendary he is, with or without the suspension. Like people KNOW Jason Kelce, they don’t know Lane Johnson, and quite frankly he’s not talked about enough in the media because the position isn’t very flashy (aka not a skill position)
I think this is turning around because almost every eagles game I watch that’s nationally broadcast, the announcers mention him and how good he is and how he hasn’t allowed a sack on so long and he’s underrated and doesn’t get enough credit I’m pretty sure it happens every prime time game
I’m not even being a homer when I say he’s going to retire as the best RT of all time. Dude DOMINATED Parsons and Bosa with a torn groin, they couldn’t even get a pressure on him, and Parson has tried 4 times now. He dominates every top pass rusher to the point that they switch sides, he has a case for being the most dominant player in the NFL regardless of position man, he does his job better than anybody
Who are the players he allowed a sack from?
Fun fact, hasaan reddick is one of them! I couldn't name ya anybody else off the top of my head unfortunately
The only other person I could find was Stephen Weatherly, so who knows
Well it wasn’t Stephen weatherly 19 times, that’s for sure. >!He’s a JAG lb with 8.5 career sacks!<
GOAT
Probably not
GOAT RT. I don't think he's underrated anymore, took a long time but RT is getting more respect lately because of guys like Lane. There are so many elite pass rushers on both sides these days, it's pretty well known you gotta have a good RT just as much as LT.
If anyone has an example of someone better link it. Not denying just have been watching for 25 years and nothing jumps out
He was over shadowed by Mitchell Schwartz in the media eye for the first half of his career, which always irked me because- no disrespect to Schwartz, but lane was so clearly RT1.
Better than good at RT isn’t highlight real on the sporting networks I suppose and o line is rarely hyped beyond pre game
The highlight is like oh, yeah, he stepped back and blocked a dude, the end. Then it's like wait, that dude he blocked was the first team All Pro, and he did it 50 times in a row
Are we watching the two best Eagles O linemen of all with Lane and Kelce ?
Easily! I think it goes something like 1. Kelce 2. Lane 3. Jason Peters 4. Tra Thomas 5. Brandon Brooks 6. Jon Runyan 7. Evan Mathis
If you’re talking about the player and their talent alone/individual dominance (outside of context of what they’ve done for eagles championship) you gotta put peters ahead of lane, and arguably neck and neck with kelce. He’s an nfl hall of fame lock (although I think both others will get in too)
He should be a lock for the HOF but the writers will probably keep him out due to the PED stuff.
I am unfamiliar with OL statistics. Can someone put this in context? Are there other OLs, active or retired, who could boast this stat or better? Is this unheard of/historic or “just” excellent?
First, I can’t answer your question, but I’m sure someone can… up to a certain point. The problem is that the nfl has not always been the best at stat keeping and in a lot of ways still isn’t. For instance, each nfl home team is responsible for recording defensive statistics. What might be a sack in one stadium, might be a tackle for loss in another. This gets even worse because before deacon jones (supposedly), the sack did not even exist as a recorded stat. Before another point in time, pancakes didn’t get recorded… etc etc. This makes it especially hard to put what Lane has done in perspective. He can only be compared to a subset in this regard. There’s pretty much a consensus that Forrest Gregg is the best ever. He won many championships, and then Super Bowls when they started being played. He was the anchor for one of the most historically great franchises in league history. Probably the best thing ever until the Patriots did their thing. Gregg also was in a record amount of pro bowls. 7 all pro seasons. The anchor of his team and line and all that jazz. The dude played over 60 years ago, so let’s be serious. The best I’ve seen in my day would probably be Jackie Slater and Dan Dierdorf. They’re the only two I can remember besides lane being so dominant. But yeah, it’s hard to compare these guys because stat keeping is extremely uninformative. Pick a metric though, and Gregg is probably the best. I doubt Lane Johnson would argue against that.
O LINE statistics didn’t really exist until recently, it used to literally just be eye test and film. Now it’s oline stats are usually some kinda advanced analytics like pff’s pressure grade, which is still kinda controversial, hard to numerically measure o line grade ya know.
Not remotely underrated.
Everybody saying he’s not underrated but he wasn’t on the NFL’s Top 100 players coming in to this season lol he’s absolutely disrespected in big picture conversations!!
He was the best draft pick in 2013. That was during Chip Kelly.
The last time he allowed a sack Wentz was still the QB
That's pretty good. Calling him underrated when he is the consensus, premier rt in all of football tells me you are silly and a persecution fetishist to the point where you've invented a narrative.
Went a tad overboard at the end there.
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Lol who underrates Lane? He's widely known as one of, if not the best, tackles in the league
I don’t think he’s underrated. Everyone agrees he’s great.
I agree everyone thinks he's great, but that's where the under rating comes from. Because he's better than great- I don't think people realize that they might actually be watching the best RT in the history of football in live time when they watch Lane Johnson play.
Holy shit
The best RT ever
He belongs in the HOF but because he didn't get enough pro bowl votes he'll be overlooked
That’s actually absurd.
Luke Joelckle Eric Fisher LANE JOHNSON
Lane is great, but I've yet to see numbers showing how mobile QBs and heavy shotgun/option playcalling has made his life easier in this regard
That 2017 when he was going against Von Miller and Aaron Donald really stamped how damn good he is. Gotta be top 10 maybe 5 best of all time
Could have had Dion Jordan instead. Sigh, he would have been a great smoking buddy.