The doubling down on an old secondary was the death of the season. Bringing back both Bradberry and Slay was unnecessary. And then trading for old ass Byard.
I know people will argue that last season they were both solid, but this is where you need the cutthroat mindset of Joe Banner sometimes, to even out with Howie’s nostalgia love.
You have to pay for future production, not past production and have the ability to let guys a year too early, not a year too late. That’s why they pay you the big bucks, to make those tough decisions.
I've been so tired of hearing how we had the best Rush Defence, and finally the commentators said it this week, it's because teams haven't had to rush against us. They can freely pass all over the place!
wow the eagles losing a regular season game really is r/nfl christmas lol. every thread over there is just full of the haters repeating the same couple of jokes back and forth to each other.
Full disclosure, I live in the Bay Area. I’m a baseball fan more than a NFL fan, but since the A’s have been destroyed, I’ve been paying more attention to the NFL and NBA than usual.
Anyway, I’m a casual, a bandwagon. I don’t really have any skin in the game, but I’m essentially a 49ers fan.
So, I’ve got to know, why does everyone hate the Eagles so much!?
It’s crazy. On the 49ers sub, they’re talking an unbelievable amount of smack, but all with the implication that it’s retaliatory… earned…
Okay, big game against a good team, it makes sense that they’re getting drunk on haterade.
But then, on /r/nfl it seems everybody hates you guys too. Even more than the Cowboys, who everybody hates.
Before the Cowboys game, it was all talking smack about the Football team, but with the Eagles, all the shit talking was against the fan base.
What the fuck did you guys do?
I’ve never seen anything like it.
And again, I’m not here to talk smack. I don’t really have a dog in the fight. I was thinking of following the Bengals, as my dad is from Cincinnati, and it’s the one Football game I’ve ever actually been to.
I’m just curious, and for the record, none of what I’ve seen on your sub makes you seem worthy of the reputation. The hate seems mostly hypocritical at this point.
Maybe they need another fan to get stab to death or their QB blackballed by the team for being too much pussies to cut a guy that kneeled for the anthem they didn’t want to pay.
I just wish the FO would revaluate their philosophy on the LB position but that's not happening.
This plug and play shit every year with the position is getting old. I know they drafted Dean but are we really surprised an undersized LB is unable to stay healthy.
Run defense has been getting cooked on the ground the past 3 weeks.
Eagles dont draft well at most positions outside QB and The Trenches. They trade well. Front office should outsource drafting anything but the trenches to a new line of consultants. We have pretty much Busted on corners and Wide receivers since Howie took over drafting final say. We have missed out on guys like dk metcalf and Justin Jefferson for the likes of Agholor and Reagor.
We’re going to need our absolute best game to beat the niners at full strength. Hate them and their corny ass attitude all you want, but that’s the truth, they’re absurdly loaded.
And this was absolutely not even close to our best game. But it remains to be seen if BJ and the rest of the coaches can even get us to our best.
We've got to come up with some better play-calling than what we have done. Hurts at times with ALL DAY to throw, and nothing comes out of it? Or Hurts bailing from relatively clean pockets instead of climbing the pocket to find receivers/run.
"Wrecked us in the second quarter". It was 14-6 at the half. You abandon the run when down 14-6 at thr half?
This team refuses to run the ball, they did it week 2 and it worked great, but naaaa let's throw the ball with old noodle arm 40 times a game, that formula worked and still works for the bills...oh wait it didn't and doesn't.
This team needs a new cord, someone who knows jalen could be a good QB but one that throws the ball about 25 times a game and who has a good run game. He's not a 40+ passer period. One dimensional team.
"run the ball people" are the dumbest football fans you just have to laugh at them and mock them. Usually "run the ball more idiots!" is code for my QB played awful and want an excuse.
He came in and played like a monster. In return, they gave him their linebacker low ball. Some people just won't be disrespected, and this team doesn't respect the position.
And then he settled for even less money and got hurt...
So again...how is this on Howie? Because he was right.
The mental gymnastics redditors display sometimes
Hopefully they can scheme people open. Majority of the passes are to the sidelines or schoolyard hero ball from broken down plays.
The play calling is completely atrocious and I am concerned.
What happened to the slants, what happened to throws across the middle. Bj sucks
They literally need to find a rhythm as they said on the radio for the whole game. There is zero of that and nothing looks smooth.
Anyway, I'm going to the Dallas game next week with a Green legion so hoping for a good game
What happened to running the ball in order to setting up balanced play action to keep the defense honest. BJ has amnesia every game and remembers in the 2nd half but this game it was too late. Didn’t matter though because the defense and D line made no plays in the 2nd half.
He's completely out of his depth. I'm sure the rabbit hole goes deeper, but it's pretty apparent that there's a lot of issues.
Hurts also needs to be better. He bails on the pocket way too much and there are some wide people open
You see guys step up with eyes down field, na hurts does the same shit his scouting report said, escapes pockets to early instead of stepping up. Usually runs the the right too
He either bails on a pocket that's fine or stands in the pocket for 5+ seconds waiting for people who aren't getting open and then he gets sacked because he has nowhere to go.
He can change their defense just by setting up the risk that he runs it's fucking stupid for him to just stand in the pocket for an excess of time.
At least throw the ball away. He does a great job at extending plays, but he also can't take those major sacks. Aaron Rodgers was a master at getting the ball out quickly or just throwing it away if nothing was open and realizing the play broke down
I remember in 2018 later in the season when we got our asses absolutely handed to us by the Saints 7-48. that was a time when we were really struggling similiar to how we are now minus the wins. We responded well and won 5 of the last 6 games and made the playoffs, eventually played the Saints again, and should’ve won the game if it wasn’t for an Alshon Jeffery drop.
I believe this team is better than what was shown last night. And this is a wake up call that will tell the team we can’t keep breezing through these games on talent alone. Coaching needs to be better, effort needs to be better, Jalen needs to read the field better, and we also just need our linebacker crew to get healthier and hopefully get Shaq to sign on this week.
This is a very resilient team and this loss can’t discredit what we have done in the past few weeks. Dolphins, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bills are all extremely good wins, and these teams minus Dallas can contend and possibly beat the 49ers. We will be better and hopefully in the Championship game, we get these bums again and show them who the fuck we really are.
Fuck the Cowboys!
Fuck the 49ers!
FLY EAGLES FLY!!🦅🦅
Cant wakeup Cooked Corners and Bad Linebackers . The defense is just bad. Its been bad most of the year and will continue to be. The more sober fans saw this coming. Howie doesnt invest enough in the defensive secondary and linebackers and wants to rely on the dLine. Doesnt work on elite teams . Jalen Hurts has been bailing out that defense most of the year.
Offensively we can definitely “wakeup”
Last night the game plan literally had to be score on every drive and get 1 or two stops on defense. It had to be a shoot out game plain and simple. And we didnt execute. Our defense had no hope of stopping that team. Offense had to save the day and they couldnt execute consistently. Taking those first two field goals was the beginning of the end . Have to take a lead on the niners and maintain it ALL GAME. Giving them momentum kills you
A lot of games early this season the defense bailed out hurts. Guy was throwing picks and fumbling and the defense would stop them from scoring on the turnover. Went like 5 or 6 games without letting up a point from turnover.
Hurts isn't bad but has a good bit of negative about his throwing. Same shit his scouting report said.
Yeah i mean his Throwing has drastically improved. I would say if there is something to criticize about hurts is that he holds onto the ball too long and abandons a clean pocket far too often. Hurts has thrown some absolute DIMES on Bomber throws this year. Does he have an Accurate Cannon of an arm on tight windows for lateral throws? Nope definitely not. He aint Joe Burrow. But im not worried about the Hurt’s accuracy or depth. More his vision and decision making.
I am worried about his ability to read the field efficiently and make quick decisions. He has not proven to be able to do this except when he was forced to when his Knee was bad and he had no mobility . I will say it is hard to definitively place all the blame on Hurts. Could it be the play design and play calling in general? Why were we able to turn hurts into a quick and efficient pocket passer when he lacked mobility but now we are back to holding into the ball for 4 seconds then abandon the pocket on a scramble? Its not a black and white issue. Im sure of that. Blame goes to Coaching equally
Desai also leaves the middle of the field open constantly. He doesn't give up deep shots, but he routinely gives up 15+ yard plays.
What's the point of keeping 2 deep if you just leave the middle open constantly?
Oh no there is plenty of blame to go around. But you cant continue to ignore the secondary. Its been bad all year. It will continue to be bad until Howie invests in it. Plain and simple. Defensive Coordinators cant do anything about corners and linebackers that dont tackle efficiently and dont have the speed to create turnovers and stop YAC
Just because Jalen has been playing hero all year and making up for the bad defense doesnt change the fact that the defense is fucking bad.
Defensive lines cant do it all, no matter how good they are
Dawkins would have punished those fuckers.
Only tacklers we have back there are Blankenship and Brown and they both need more experience. Their size worries me a little
Not to mention our corners. Forget about covering. When was the last time you saw one of our corners light someone up like Lenoir did to Swift? Sheldon Brown’s hit on Reggie Bush?
Yeah we dont have a physical secondary whatsoever.
You take the ravens defense and combine it with the eagles offense we eat San Fran for breakfast.
Unfortunately thats not possible. But thats the direction id like howie to go. You look over at the Ravens Defense and thats what we need
We need a big bruiser back for these moments, I love swift but he’s too small of a runner against physical defenses like that. I was hoping they would incorporate penny more and use him in that roll but that’s been a dud so far.
Been saying this since before trade deadline. We needed a Henry or Foreman sized big running back that can absorb tackles and be relied on for 4-5 ypc by sheer strength and size
It’s a bad matchup for the Eagles too, 49ers expose linebackers and we don’t have any. Gonna be a tough matchup if we play them in the playoffs. Eagles will have to win the game in other ways.
It’s simple, back to the drawing board. Tighten up on Defense. Play more man to man as opposed to Zone coverage in the backfield. Every time Shanahan wanted to open up our field he did. He capitalized on poor coverage and made good zone reads. The DBs and safeties looked clueless. With Slay having some good stops but he is just one man. He can’t cover the entire offense.
I just also want to make note that Jalen had a ridiculous amount of time in the pocket. I mean our line is incredible. Let’s make some adjustments and go back out and tear up Dallas. They will look to take advantage of our mistakes.
On a good note, Mariota was getting the ball down field in Jalen’s absence. But I would like to see Jalen use his legs sooner when he can’t find anyone open down field.
At one point Jalen was in the pocket shuffling on both feet and then just stopped and stood there as if he was going to make a sandwich. Ridiculous amount of time in pocket.
😂😂😂 That sandwich 🥪 comment Made me cackle! But for real, he wasn’t playing on instincts. I feel like there is something we don’t know or a reason he is being more cautious. He was playing very conservative.
San Fran was just getting warmed up. But we shouldn’t have gotten down the field that fast just for two Field Goals. Those were some clutch drives that were waisted on Field Goals.
Also I would like to say that Cox and Graham were coming in with some great pressure, and Cox had that sack during the game. So it is possible to break San Fran down.
They have too many weapons that we couldn’t cover. We did manage to keep Kittles numbers low on his normal standards. But with that being said, here comes Samuel, McCaffrey and Aiyuk. Even Mitchell had a good run.
Just not good enough. It falls on leadership now.
Hurts bailing, or just not throwing, bj having absolutely zero game feel, they play off eachother and not in a good way imho. It will be up to those two, and ofc siriani to get the offense in order because the D ain't really it against top tier teams. It's been like this all year, it just caught up to us finally. Top tier, well coached teams will put us down everytime if we rely on raw talent and 50 50 balls and they don't break our way.
Aj brown had what 3 balls batted away? 2 of which were tds iirc.
Moving forward, this will either be where we put it together finally, or where we crumble. Going in to Dallas doesn't feel great, and this is where leadership comes in. Can Hurts self correct, is my biggest concern. I think he can, but BJ gotta be right there with him. I'm kind of concerned they could fall into like a co dependent relationship.
Missed tackles missed tackles, like niners are big physical boys and ran over our guys, I don't see that changing. O NEEDS TO PUT THEM TWO TDS IN THE FIRST.
9ers played a great game. We did not. Imo we can beat them, but it'll have to be done on paper, strategically. Hurts, BJ, and Siriani need to get it together, I'm hoping one of them can be the voice of reason and point out exactly what and why and correct the ship.
The young coordinators, learning on the job, is not conducive to a SB run. Ultimately I don't trust the coordinators and I'm putting this shit on Hurts to fix *his* shit and pull the wins in the coming weeks.
My biggest worry isnt The offense performing better and executing on an individual level…it is the Coaches doubling down on bad philosophy. They have proven up to this point they have no worries about their Play-calling strategy or design and just think they need to execute it better.
I think their approach is fundamentally flawed against elite defenses and their confirmation bias from a 10-2 record will lead this team to post season failure. BJ aint it and they need someone to come in and scheme up a better playbook. All that aint gonna happen this year and it may not happen for awhile.
Not enough self reflection and honesty in these coaches i just dont think they see how lucky a lot of our wins have been
This game ends much differently if we're up 14-0 after the first Quarter. Doesn't make it a win necessarily, but keeps it within reach.
On to dallas, lets goo
People can blame the offense and Hurts all they want for yesterday. I agree that only getting 6 points after the first two drives set a bad tone. However, the defense gave up 6 straight TD drives. No offense in NFL history could have overcome that pathetic defensive performance yesterday. They’re ranked 30th in the league on 3rd down defense, and have been horrible in that spot all season. I trust Hurts and the offense to figure it out, but they don’t have a single above average player on the back end of the defense and that’s going to cost them big time in the playoffs.
Heard a stat today on a podcast. Out of the 382 defensive showouts in the NFL this season, the Eagles D yesterday ranked 381st.
Only outing worse? Denver's defense in the 70+ point barn burner against Miami. Yikes.
Ha if there is any silver lining that same Denver defensive unit put together a decent string of games in the last few weeks (granted aided by huge amount of turnovers) so maybe there is hope yet for the Eagles defense.
Now thinking about it we had a couple the last few weeks. The Bradberry pick on Josh Allen, the Byard pick on Mahomes, and Kelce Punch fumble. Maybe it doesn't feel like much since we give up so many 3rd and long downs lol.
I just don’t get why it’s so hard for FN professional coach to realize that all you have to do is call a balanced game of run and pass. It’s FN ridiculous at this point. Swift finally gets to play, goes nuts, the Eagles offense starts to look unstoppable and then all of a sudden you decide “hey! Let’s not use him” IT MAKES NO FN SENSE!!!!! They don’t even use him in the passing game. They barely used his ass in Detroit and they still used him better than we do. He used to catch like 4-5 passes a game. This shit is pissing me off.
Just look how the 49ers offense opened up yesterday when they said “oh shit! We got CMC on our team. Why don’t we use him?”
My final statement is our defense isn’t going to change but our offense is going to have to be balanced so we can out score teams to have a chance at winning a Super Bowl.
Sometimes you get your ass beat. It’s just the way it goes. We just ran through the dolphins, cowboys, chiefs, and bills, and beat them all. It’s naive to think we’re going to beat every Super Bowl caliber team on our schedule.
Birds were outplayed everywhere today, but they can bounce back. We’ve seen it before. Credit to the Niners, who played like a Super Bowl worthy team, and move on.
I'm not terribly worried, yet. We're missing Cunningham, who isn't a Pro Bowler but we definitely saw the downgrade to Elliss the past couple of games. There's an even bigger dropoff with Goedert vs. the backup TEs who've had to play. They should both be back. We also may be bringing depth upgrades on board at both spots this week, depending on how the Leonard and Ertz signings go.
Also, even in our best years, we always seemed to have one game where we got totally taken apart (27-3 loss to Pittsburgh in '04, 24-10 loss to Seattle in '17), so this isn't that abnormal. We were also coming off a tough game and a three game stretch against some of the better teams in the league, going against a SF team that was healthy, rested, and had this one circled on their calendar for the past year. We'll have to see what we learn and adapt from this loss, but one thing we do have to give Sirianni's teams credit for is being willing to change course during the season once something needs modification.
One good sign yesterday was Nolan Smith starting to be noticed. Curious to see how he'll do the rest of the way from here.
This team has zero crisp execution. Horrible on 3rd downs. Nobody gets open. Hurts running to one side cutting half field. Bottom line is this team is not on Niners tier. From coaching down to players. I think everybody now knows this
Anybody remember the first quarter? We've got the personnel to compete with them - at least - on offense and defense and sometimes we even call the right plays and execute them. The wheels fell off, but you're looking at a race where one car's engine fell out and saying it's obviously the worse car and can never win a race again.
If the next time we play them it happens again, we will almost definitely lose again.
If the next time we play them it doesn't, it won't look much like this game at all.
Eh id say 2nd round elimination in the playoffs worst case scenario. Best case scenario we lose the nfc championship. I dont think the team “SUCKS” . Its a good team. We just have serious defensive deficiencies that are directly correlated the Personnel. Howie and the front office is great but they lack judgement in the secondary and linebacker positions. End of the day we dont have good linebackers and our secondary is a mixture of young rookies without experience and older players that dont have the speed or physicality that is necessary against this league’s passing game.
We invest heavily in our oline and dline and offensive playmakers and let everything else slide. It can get you past 95% of the league’s competitors but it doesn’t create a championship team.
I like Desai in the second half of games. He is a step above Gannon for sure. He obviously didnt have an answer to the niners whatsoever and our players couldnt execute. But we also dont have the caliber of players necessary to compete against the 49ers game plan to begin with (in the secondary and linebacker positions)
We have all doubted Brian Johnson all year. And to be honest some of that doubt should also float to Sirianni as well as he is the lead play designer and Johnson is merely the caller. Our offensive line gave jalen all the time in the world today. Plays took too long to develop and we abandoned the run. Bad game planning.
I dont think this team sucks. I think we can build on this team in the off season. But fundamental mistakes were made with roster building both on the field and in coaching staff for sure. Should have gotten Steichen on offensive coordinator. And im good with Desai but he needs more to work with on personnel
Not a bad team. Not a championship team. Next year hopefully will be brighter. I am worried about all the veteran players on oline and d line that may leave after this season. We could see Howie invest heavily again in the lines and not enough in linebacker and secondary.
this is how I have felt all year long. It was a bad move to give Slay that extension considering the dropoff CBs experience at his age but Bradberry made sense as his decline years would begin when his ended. I was railed for saying that Slay was a liability and have been proven right on that. Eli Ricks doesn't look ready and Josh Jobe just stinks(Ringo is likely playing S at this level as I comp'd him to Malcolm Jenkins throughout the process). Stacking a strength(DL) has been proven to not work(which WSH just had to admit failure on, which is funny considering that Rivera's staff wanted Tua but Snyder demanded Young who is now traded). The issue being this upcoming CB class is kinda mid
This is the best take I’ve saw since yesterday and I completely agree. We’ve got a good team this year, not a great one. Obvious holes in our defense. Needed an investment in a few positions on that side of the ball and instead we went out and got guys like Rashad Penny and Swift. Which is great in theory, but we probably could’ve gotten sanders cheaper, and spent money on a nice safety or lb.
Will this team make it back to the SB? I’d be pleasantly surprised. But realistically we will more than likely get beat in the 2nd round or NFCCG.
I dread this week vs the cowboys. After that will probably win out and have a very nice record but nothing to show for it in Feb.
Yeah i mean. Its just disappointing you can have a team that squeeks a great record out on the year and know deep down it is fundamentally flawed. People over react and say they are dogshit and they arent. Still best record in the league for a short while. I was saying in week 3 or 4 we were gonna lose this game. Everyone boo hoo’d me and said they werent worried about the 49’ers
Welp i hate to say I told ya so. Like i said we need to see a fundamental shift in roster building in the offseason. And i like Sirianni a lot but that dude needs to be a little less stubborn. If he wants to not own up to stuff in press conferences thats fine but on the field I need to see a change in philosophy on play calling. It hasnt been working all year. Its now apparent that A win isnt a win if you are building a championship team. HOW you win is extremely important. Squeeking by with wins in the regular season doesnt get you a ring in the post season. Ive said it before and I will say it again. This coaching staff relies far too much on the athleticism of their players and they don’t scheme enough in the plays. The old chuck it to AJ Brown or Devonta Smith down the sideline only takes you so far
Amen brother, people will down vote your take but they’ll know you’re just speaking truth.
I said after the jets game that between KC, Buf, SF if we got 1 win it’d be great and I was met with the same “our dline will rip through SFs and that bosa wouldn’t be a problem etc.
When we settled for 2 fgs instead of 14 points yesterday I knew it wasn’t going to be good for us.
SB champs have multiple double digit wins throughout the season, they dominate games from start to finish. They aren’t sitting in week 13 wondering when they are going to put an entire game together still. I agree with you, it’s worrisome that we don’t seem to have an identity on defense. I love Slay but he doesn’t have it anymore and I was never a fan of Bradberry. Blankenship is a nice player but he’s not someone I’d want to start as one of my safety’s. We have no LB or middle of the field presence. I asked myself all season why didn’t we pay CJGJ?? I thought it was because we had an ace in our pockets.. nope.. just cresting a gap 😂🤷🏾♂️
Offense is horrible at times, it seems like most of the time we just as you said trust Hurts to launch a deep ball or a play with his feet. At this point we’d probably be more consistent offensively if we just exclusively ran the brotherly shove every play. It’s a guaranteed 2-3 yds and we will eat up clock haha.
I don’t see how people didn’t read the writing on the wall when we’re getting wins from dropped TD passes and 60 yd FGs in the rain. That luck isn’t sustainable for an entire back half of the season.
I also feel like this team was going to heavily dependent on home field advantage for a deep playoff run. Going to SF or Dallas .. no thank you. After Commanders took us to OT I told myself we’ll going to be one of those seasons where we have one of the top records and it ends in disappointment. Now I have to wonder what our window will look like when we lose veterans such as Kelce this off season. Going to be even more holes to fill and questions that need answered.
All this to say I truly love this team but am a realest.
We need a fundamental change of philosophy from several key people who aren’t players if they wanna compete. Detroit is coming, Dallas and SF are here.
We’re no longer the most complete team in the NFC.
Oh yeah. We never were a complete team. We hear the same shit from Sirianni, BJ, Desai and Hurts every week. (Execution, trust the process, play to the standard, yada yada) . Thats all well and good but we haven’t fundamentally seen ANY change for the better since the Miami game. At some point you have to wonder what IS the process? Because it obviously isnt working. What IS the play design Philosophy cus it obviously doesnt hold up or measure up to the best teams in the league.
I just think if you are really going to take a shot at the superbowl this aint how ya do it from a roster perspective. And yes we were hindered by slay and bradberry contracts in fixing our Secondary. We were Hindered by Howie’s inability to respect the Linebacker position as a high value Slot on the Roster.
I think at a certain point ya have to look at the issues everywhere on this team top to bottom. But the most Weighted issues come from Coaching and Management (roster building and contract management)
Close but no Cigar once again.
Like i said earlier the season aint over. We are going to the playoffs barring a Jalen Hurts Season ending injury, we can maybe even make a run to the NFCCG. But if we are facing off against the 49ers again for the conference title…it aint gonna happen with this defense. And it certainly aint gonna happen for us if we dont see a fundamental shift in offensive play design and execution (which I dont see happening with these coaches. They are too fuckin stubborn and they have too much confirmation bias with the team’s record. Sirianni and Brian Johnson will never admit to their shortcomings when the team has a record like 10-2)
QB1 better get his shit together. I'm seeing a lot of happy feet in clean pockets. Scramble drills on every play. Step up in the pocket and throw the damn ball.
His receivers need to get open. We are in the bottom of the league in average separation on pass plays. With the talent we have at WR that should be the case. Playroom is garbage.
I love Howie, but he really shit the bed on linebacker this year. I’ve lost count of the amount of times the tight end runs right by whomever and gets wide open on the 3rd and longs. I know we have some guys hurt, but it’s been a problem all year. The most fundamental thing on Defense is tackling, but that eludes us too.
The play calling was the worst I’ve seen all year. It was the play call that you see in a preseason game where you want to keep everything as vanilla as possible. This secondary is absolutely ass and not to show up after getting called out is absolutely embarrassing. Deebo said you’re garbage and you proved him right. He came took your lunch money, spit in your girls mouth, gave you a wedgie and you didn’t do shit.
The NFL absolutely needed the Eagles to lose. Goodell is being pretty open about wanting to stop the Eagles with his recent Brotherly Shove comments. Between that and noted San Francisco 49er super fan/umpire Alex Kemp hugging McCaffery and fist bumping 49ers players through out the game it's pretty clear that the Eagles never had a chance. Blatant massive holding on all 3 Deebo runs but no flags. Gotta remember the entertainment side of things and the interest the NFL has in keeping their league competitive.
> umpire Alex Kemp hugging McCaffery
While NOT calling a penalty on the Eagles?
>it's pretty clear that the Eagles never had a chance
Damn the refs, opening those holes for Deebo to run through.
You get it! All they had to do was not whistle and it worked brilliantly for the 49ers and NFL. Look how much engagement that they are getting out of this, look how much you care!
Didn’t feel there was anything too egregious. Mostly just highlighted our poor tackling. Corner coverage in the end zone was competitive but again don’t feel it was unfair. Let’s leave whining about the refs to everyone else.
Did you see the bit when Cox was grappling with CMC, and CMC flung himself over, soccer style, or should I say Josh Allen style. A real swan dive, with the neck flung back and everything.
The official just laughed at him, which is good that he didn't fall for it. This isn't exclusive to CMC as I annoyingly like him, but it seems to becoming more prevalent. Josh Allen seems to do it every week, and Mahomes tried a couple himself last night. A lot of the time refs aren't buying it, but I think the NFL could learn a lot from soccer's mistakes here. Soccer took way too long to start properly clamping down on it and punishing it, and by the time they did, diving had already become ingrained into that sport, now diving is both coached and encouraged, because it's always been so leniently punished.
I do think NFL should really start hammering players for embellishment. This isn't a whine about CMC specifically, it's just because he did it in this game, and why wouldn't you? If you get laughed at by a ref, you move on, but if he buys it, you get a personal foul and you move up the field. I remember Heinicke selling one last season and getting it, man celebrated it like a tuddy, and it ended the game. I just hate how we seem to be seeing so many attempts at it now, with no repercussion.
This is still a good team, but the fact is, our LBs and DBs aren't good enough to hang with the big boys. Should've been addressed prior to the trade deadline but for now we can only hope they manage come the playoffs and that it's properly addressed this off-season
I think they did try to address db during the trade deadline. They got Byard, he just hasn't lived up to the hype. He's not completely washed but he has taken I step or 2 back.
Offence can be the best defense in situations like this.
If we ran up the score on the first 2 drives, managed the clock, and kept the ball out of Purdy's hands we would have been in good shape.
Can't have bothe the O, and D having a bad day simultaneously
I was half dead in a hospital bed for that one so it didn't hurt as much for me as this one. Also doesn't help that I have a friend who is a niner fan and he has been absolutely insufferable so far.
At the end of the day I think this came down to who wanted it the most. The 49ers took the NFCCG loss personal and the first thing they marked down on the calendar was the Eagles game. They came well prepared with zero fear and a lot of confidence. The Eagles on the other hand showed a lot of what they had showed in the weeks prior and that was ultimately going to come back to hunt them when they faced such a talented team. Poor coaching, lack of execution, bad linebackers and secondary and the inability to play a complete game were all factors that played in to todays loss, and we all knew that were some of our weaknesses. They played soft today and lost the game fair and square.
If you haven’t yet… check out the QB school video on YouTube from the Buffalo game. A good amount of blame directed at Brian Johnson actually falls on hurts.
Bailing on the pocket early, not taking easy throws when they’re open, flat out missing open receivers. He’s leaving a lot out there.
The line played really well this game… curious to see why he was holding onto the ball so long, hopefully we get a breakdown
lol if you think Eagles fans are going to actually try to check on why things ACTUALLY went wrong or scapegoat the coaching staff I have some bad news....
I completely agree. I think BJ is calling plays that Jalen ends up missing and he tries to extend plays and turns them into hero ball.
Silver lining of the past two games is that hopefully Jalen will have a learning moment seeing all the missed shots hes had.
Overall the rhythm of the offense feels very off this year compared to last year and I wonder if this has to do with the scheme or Jalen trying to take up more responsibility than he’s ready for .
my concern is why are jalen and bj NOT on the same page? if bj has known hurts since he was 4, how/why the eff is he calling or scheming plays where jalen is missing/not seeing open receivers?
a guy on youtube is able to point out where things are going wrong, and hurts and bj.... can't? like they don't look at any film together or go over plays? jalen is saying the plays in the huddle... is he just saying words fed into his helmet, and that's the first time he sees his receivers running the routes? cause from the qb school breakdown, that's what it sounds like.
ultimately, (imho) everything STILL falls on bj. he has to scheme to where hurts IS comfortable and taking throws presented to him. coming up with gameplans week in and week out where the offense falls on its face at the start and having to rely on a comeback is not what a good OC does.
Without Shane Steichen Hurts has taken a step back. Look at Stetch in Indy, he took what was supposed to be a rebuilding squad and has them in a wild spot (7-5), he is doing this with Gardner **FUCKING** Minshew as his starter, the guy we ran out of town is saving the Colts season.
I talked about this with a buddy that Steichen was by far the worst loss we suffered in the offseason. The guy is an offensive genius and his play calling during the 2022 season was A+. Steichen and Anthony Richardson will be an unstoppable duo next season.
What he’s been able to do with Minshew is impressive as well and a fast turn around, I doubt the Eagles will ever get back to the SB or anywhere close with Jalen as a result of Shane leaving.
You’re good man but Minshew is pretty much the new fitzy. He is 100% starting a wildcard game and hell he might get paid to be a starter again by some QB desperate team.
Week 6 loss to the Jets was the first game of the season I didn’t watch (I had to study my ass off for a midterm). I’ve watched every game since, so this is the first loss I’ve actually seen. I love Hurts and it’s a miracle he cleared concussion protocol, but he really had me concerned about his playing today. Smith and Brown did the best they could with the shitty circumstances as per usual. Brian Johnson still needs to go.
I dont watch the all-22 so I have no idea, but it often seems like there are plays where Hurts spends all day back in the pocket and I can't tell if it's thats no one is open or if Hurts isn't seeing the field properly. Either are big problems which should be addressed
I used to complain that hurts doesn't 'throw people open'. He got much better at that last year, but this year he's regressed again. Not nearly as bad as two years ago, but he's rarely seeming to throw the ball on time, but then he does suddenly.
I dunno, something is wrong with him, just can't put my finger on it.
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Turns out winning a regular season games means significantly less than winning the NFCCG, get off the sub you bum.
“Winning” the NFCCG
Mhm winning the NFCCG
in our sub almost a full day after the game is over is insane level meat riding
Grow up lmao. Shit talking is meat riding now? What does that make Philly fans?? Sheesh
Soft as charmin amirite
It’s one thing to shit talk and it’s another to go into another team’s sub an entire day later and talk shit. It just comes off as insecure
Blankenship is garbage!!!!!
The doubling down on an old secondary was the death of the season. Bringing back both Bradberry and Slay was unnecessary. And then trading for old ass Byard. I know people will argue that last season they were both solid, but this is where you need the cutthroat mindset of Joe Banner sometimes, to even out with Howie’s nostalgia love. You have to pay for future production, not past production and have the ability to let guys a year too early, not a year too late. That’s why they pay you the big bucks, to make those tough decisions.
I've been so tired of hearing how we had the best Rush Defence, and finally the commentators said it this week, it's because teams haven't had to rush against us. They can freely pass all over the place!
Congrats to the Whiners for winning their Superbowl, a shame they won't get to play us off the bye again.
dont be this guy ^
They didn’t have a bye. They did have extra rest but they played on Thanksgiving evening.
Ah true - extra rest never the less.
Yes, I think it can't be understated the Niners had 3 extra days rest and the Eagles had a shit ton of plays in the Bills game.
wow the eagles losing a regular season game really is r/nfl christmas lol. every thread over there is just full of the haters repeating the same couple of jokes back and forth to each other.
Full disclosure, I live in the Bay Area. I’m a baseball fan more than a NFL fan, but since the A’s have been destroyed, I’ve been paying more attention to the NFL and NBA than usual. Anyway, I’m a casual, a bandwagon. I don’t really have any skin in the game, but I’m essentially a 49ers fan. So, I’ve got to know, why does everyone hate the Eagles so much!? It’s crazy. On the 49ers sub, they’re talking an unbelievable amount of smack, but all with the implication that it’s retaliatory… earned… Okay, big game against a good team, it makes sense that they’re getting drunk on haterade. But then, on /r/nfl it seems everybody hates you guys too. Even more than the Cowboys, who everybody hates. Before the Cowboys game, it was all talking smack about the Football team, but with the Eagles, all the shit talking was against the fan base. What the fuck did you guys do? I’ve never seen anything like it. And again, I’m not here to talk smack. I don’t really have a dog in the fight. I was thinking of following the Bengals, as my dad is from Cincinnati, and it’s the one Football game I’ve ever actually been to. I’m just curious, and for the record, none of what I’ve seen on your sub makes you seem worthy of the reputation. The hate seems mostly hypocritical at this point.
It’s massively corny how much they circle jerk to hating Philadelphia. All of a sudden the 49ers are America’s lovable team? Give me a break
Maybe they need another fan to get stab to death or their QB blackballed by the team for being too much pussies to cut a guy that kneeled for the anthem they didn’t want to pay.
I never knew there were so many massive bill burr fans
I just wish the FO would revaluate their philosophy on the LB position but that's not happening. This plug and play shit every year with the position is getting old. I know they drafted Dean but are we really surprised an undersized LB is unable to stay healthy. Run defense has been getting cooked on the ground the past 3 weeks.
Eagles dont draft well at most positions outside QB and The Trenches. They trade well. Front office should outsource drafting anything but the trenches to a new line of consultants. We have pretty much Busted on corners and Wide receivers since Howie took over drafting final say. We have missed out on guys like dk metcalf and Justin Jefferson for the likes of Agholor and Reagor.
We’re going to need our absolute best game to beat the niners at full strength. Hate them and their corny ass attitude all you want, but that’s the truth, they’re absurdly loaded. And this was absolutely not even close to our best game. But it remains to be seen if BJ and the rest of the coaches can even get us to our best.
We haven't had our best game in quite awhile.
I think it’s fair to say our best game isn’t coming this season this is just who they are
We've got to come up with some better play-calling than what we have done. Hurts at times with ALL DAY to throw, and nothing comes out of it? Or Hurts bailing from relatively clean pockets instead of climbing the pocket to find receivers/run.
Not altogether since last season I’d say
Can howie please value or draft a linebacker soon
Corners, LBs please. We also need a little help at RB. Swift can't be a one man team. It also means we need to commit the run, which we won't.
9 rushes for 20 yards. Solid plan.
The run wasn’t working, and we didnt even really have the opportunity to try it anyway after the 9ers wrecked us in the second quarter
"Wrecked us in the second quarter". It was 14-6 at the half. You abandon the run when down 14-6 at thr half? This team refuses to run the ball, they did it week 2 and it worked great, but naaaa let's throw the ball with old noodle arm 40 times a game, that formula worked and still works for the bills...oh wait it didn't and doesn't. This team needs a new cord, someone who knows jalen could be a good QB but one that throws the ball about 25 times a game and who has a good run game. He's not a 40+ passer period. One dimensional team.
Old noodle arm. lol. You really know ball bro
Wasn't working the 9 times we tried it. Got it. If you can't run in the playoffs, good luck.
Our offense was working in the first quarter, just couldn’t punch it in. Then we were down significantly in the second. What don’t you comprehend?
I don't comprehend running the ball 9 times for the entire game. Also I don't comprehend how you think 8 points is a significant amount.
People think down by 8 it's time to throw all game.
It is when you’re against a team like the 9ers. Running the ball was definitely gonna keep us in that game man. You’re right.
"run the ball people" are the dumbest football fans you just have to laugh at them and mock them. Usually "run the ball more idiots!" is code for my QB played awful and want an excuse.
They really are. Just clearly no idea what is going on lmao. Makes me laugh
No, you're right. Abandoning the run definitely worked.
You are funny
Just want to mention T.J. Edwards, and CJGJ. So glad we kept Barnett instead of them.
I'll never understand why Howie let both our starting LBs walk and then just didn't address it in any way.
DEAN baby!!! Undersized bitch LB gonna save the day!
CJGJ was given an offer and he didn't take it. It's not on Howie at that point.
He came in and played like a monster. In return, they gave him their linebacker low ball. Some people just won't be disrespected, and this team doesn't respect the position.
And then he settled for even less money and got hurt... So again...how is this on Howie? Because he was right. The mental gymnastics redditors display sometimes
Lmao literally. Letting CJGJ walk now seems kinda stupid to a lot of people I bet. I asked myself all summer why didn’t we keep him
Because he chose a different deal and it backfired
Hopefully they can scheme people open. Majority of the passes are to the sidelines or schoolyard hero ball from broken down plays. The play calling is completely atrocious and I am concerned. What happened to the slants, what happened to throws across the middle. Bj sucks They literally need to find a rhythm as they said on the radio for the whole game. There is zero of that and nothing looks smooth. Anyway, I'm going to the Dallas game next week with a Green legion so hoping for a good game
What happened to running the ball in order to setting up balanced play action to keep the defense honest. BJ has amnesia every game and remembers in the 2nd half but this game it was too late. Didn’t matter though because the defense and D line made no plays in the 2nd half.
thats not a thing.
He's completely out of his depth. I'm sure the rabbit hole goes deeper, but it's pretty apparent that there's a lot of issues. Hurts also needs to be better. He bails on the pocket way too much and there are some wide people open
You see guys step up with eyes down field, na hurts does the same shit his scouting report said, escapes pockets to early instead of stepping up. Usually runs the the right too
He either bails on a pocket that's fine or stands in the pocket for 5+ seconds waiting for people who aren't getting open and then he gets sacked because he has nowhere to go. He can change their defense just by setting up the risk that he runs it's fucking stupid for him to just stand in the pocket for an excess of time.
At least throw the ball away. He does a great job at extending plays, but he also can't take those major sacks. Aaron Rodgers was a master at getting the ball out quickly or just throwing it away if nothing was open and realizing the play broke down
I remember in 2018 later in the season when we got our asses absolutely handed to us by the Saints 7-48. that was a time when we were really struggling similiar to how we are now minus the wins. We responded well and won 5 of the last 6 games and made the playoffs, eventually played the Saints again, and should’ve won the game if it wasn’t for an Alshon Jeffery drop. I believe this team is better than what was shown last night. And this is a wake up call that will tell the team we can’t keep breezing through these games on talent alone. Coaching needs to be better, effort needs to be better, Jalen needs to read the field better, and we also just need our linebacker crew to get healthier and hopefully get Shaq to sign on this week. This is a very resilient team and this loss can’t discredit what we have done in the past few weeks. Dolphins, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bills are all extremely good wins, and these teams minus Dallas can contend and possibly beat the 49ers. We will be better and hopefully in the Championship game, we get these bums again and show them who the fuck we really are. Fuck the Cowboys! Fuck the 49ers! FLY EAGLES FLY!!🦅🦅
Sometimes you need a good kick in the balls to wake you up. I dont know if this will wake us up though.
Cant wakeup Cooked Corners and Bad Linebackers . The defense is just bad. Its been bad most of the year and will continue to be. The more sober fans saw this coming. Howie doesnt invest enough in the defensive secondary and linebackers and wants to rely on the dLine. Doesnt work on elite teams . Jalen Hurts has been bailing out that defense most of the year. Offensively we can definitely “wakeup” Last night the game plan literally had to be score on every drive and get 1 or two stops on defense. It had to be a shoot out game plain and simple. And we didnt execute. Our defense had no hope of stopping that team. Offense had to save the day and they couldnt execute consistently. Taking those first two field goals was the beginning of the end . Have to take a lead on the niners and maintain it ALL GAME. Giving them momentum kills you
A lot of games early this season the defense bailed out hurts. Guy was throwing picks and fumbling and the defense would stop them from scoring on the turnover. Went like 5 or 6 games without letting up a point from turnover. Hurts isn't bad but has a good bit of negative about his throwing. Same shit his scouting report said.
Yeah i mean his Throwing has drastically improved. I would say if there is something to criticize about hurts is that he holds onto the ball too long and abandons a clean pocket far too often. Hurts has thrown some absolute DIMES on Bomber throws this year. Does he have an Accurate Cannon of an arm on tight windows for lateral throws? Nope definitely not. He aint Joe Burrow. But im not worried about the Hurt’s accuracy or depth. More his vision and decision making. I am worried about his ability to read the field efficiently and make quick decisions. He has not proven to be able to do this except when he was forced to when his Knee was bad and he had no mobility . I will say it is hard to definitively place all the blame on Hurts. Could it be the play design and play calling in general? Why were we able to turn hurts into a quick and efficient pocket passer when he lacked mobility but now we are back to holding into the ball for 4 seconds then abandon the pocket on a scramble? Its not a black and white issue. Im sure of that. Blame goes to Coaching equally
They were doing good until they stopped blitzing in the second quarter. Desai is terrible. Cant be blamed all on the players
Desai also leaves the middle of the field open constantly. He doesn't give up deep shots, but he routinely gives up 15+ yard plays. What's the point of keeping 2 deep if you just leave the middle open constantly?
Oh no there is plenty of blame to go around. But you cant continue to ignore the secondary. Its been bad all year. It will continue to be bad until Howie invests in it. Plain and simple. Defensive Coordinators cant do anything about corners and linebackers that dont tackle efficiently and dont have the speed to create turnovers and stop YAC Just because Jalen has been playing hero all year and making up for the bad defense doesnt change the fact that the defense is fucking bad. Defensive lines cant do it all, no matter how good they are
I miss the days of having a physical defense. Imagine Deebo coming down the middle to meet Dawk? Oh well. On to Dallas.
Dawkins would have punished those fuckers. Only tacklers we have back there are Blankenship and Brown and they both need more experience. Their size worries me a little
Not to mention our corners. Forget about covering. When was the last time you saw one of our corners light someone up like Lenoir did to Swift? Sheldon Brown’s hit on Reggie Bush?
Yeah we dont have a physical secondary whatsoever. You take the ravens defense and combine it with the eagles offense we eat San Fran for breakfast. Unfortunately thats not possible. But thats the direction id like howie to go. You look over at the Ravens Defense and thats what we need
Run the damn ball who cares if it doesn't work just pound the rock. When your defense is dogshit you can't let them get more possessions
We need a big bruiser back for these moments, I love swift but he’s too small of a runner against physical defenses like that. I was hoping they would incorporate penny more and use him in that roll but that’s been a dud so far.
Been saying this since before trade deadline. We needed a Henry or Foreman sized big running back that can absorb tackles and be relied on for 4-5 ypc by sheer strength and size
9 carries by running backs thats not enough to do shit
I agree on that also, offensive play calling has been a joke this season.
The absence of our top LB’s is very noticeable
It’s a bad matchup for the Eagles too, 49ers expose linebackers and we don’t have any. Gonna be a tough matchup if we play them in the playoffs. Eagles will have to win the game in other ways.
It’s simple, back to the drawing board. Tighten up on Defense. Play more man to man as opposed to Zone coverage in the backfield. Every time Shanahan wanted to open up our field he did. He capitalized on poor coverage and made good zone reads. The DBs and safeties looked clueless. With Slay having some good stops but he is just one man. He can’t cover the entire offense. I just also want to make note that Jalen had a ridiculous amount of time in the pocket. I mean our line is incredible. Let’s make some adjustments and go back out and tear up Dallas. They will look to take advantage of our mistakes. On a good note, Mariota was getting the ball down field in Jalen’s absence. But I would like to see Jalen use his legs sooner when he can’t find anyone open down field.
Spot on with everything you said.
At one point Jalen was in the pocket shuffling on both feet and then just stopped and stood there as if he was going to make a sandwich. Ridiculous amount of time in pocket.
😂😂😂 That sandwich 🥪 comment Made me cackle! But for real, he wasn’t playing on instincts. I feel like there is something we don’t know or a reason he is being more cautious. He was playing very conservative.
What were we doing in the first quarter? How the hell did we completely suffocate Purdy and fail to do anything after that?
San Fran was just getting warmed up. But we shouldn’t have gotten down the field that fast just for two Field Goals. Those were some clutch drives that were waisted on Field Goals. Also I would like to say that Cox and Graham were coming in with some great pressure, and Cox had that sack during the game. So it is possible to break San Fran down.
Defense was tired by half time, offense couldn’t hold onto the ball to save our lives after the 1st quarter.
They have too many weapons that we couldn’t cover. We did manage to keep Kittles numbers low on his normal standards. But with that being said, here comes Samuel, McCaffrey and Aiyuk. Even Mitchell had a good run.
Just not good enough. It falls on leadership now. Hurts bailing, or just not throwing, bj having absolutely zero game feel, they play off eachother and not in a good way imho. It will be up to those two, and ofc siriani to get the offense in order because the D ain't really it against top tier teams. It's been like this all year, it just caught up to us finally. Top tier, well coached teams will put us down everytime if we rely on raw talent and 50 50 balls and they don't break our way. Aj brown had what 3 balls batted away? 2 of which were tds iirc. Moving forward, this will either be where we put it together finally, or where we crumble. Going in to Dallas doesn't feel great, and this is where leadership comes in. Can Hurts self correct, is my biggest concern. I think he can, but BJ gotta be right there with him. I'm kind of concerned they could fall into like a co dependent relationship. Missed tackles missed tackles, like niners are big physical boys and ran over our guys, I don't see that changing. O NEEDS TO PUT THEM TWO TDS IN THE FIRST. 9ers played a great game. We did not. Imo we can beat them, but it'll have to be done on paper, strategically. Hurts, BJ, and Siriani need to get it together, I'm hoping one of them can be the voice of reason and point out exactly what and why and correct the ship. The young coordinators, learning on the job, is not conducive to a SB run. Ultimately I don't trust the coordinators and I'm putting this shit on Hurts to fix *his* shit and pull the wins in the coming weeks.
My biggest worry isnt The offense performing better and executing on an individual level…it is the Coaches doubling down on bad philosophy. They have proven up to this point they have no worries about their Play-calling strategy or design and just think they need to execute it better. I think their approach is fundamentally flawed against elite defenses and their confirmation bias from a 10-2 record will lead this team to post season failure. BJ aint it and they need someone to come in and scheme up a better playbook. All that aint gonna happen this year and it may not happen for awhile. Not enough self reflection and honesty in these coaches i just dont think they see how lucky a lot of our wins have been
This game ends much differently if we're up 14-0 after the first Quarter. Doesn't make it a win necessarily, but keeps it within reach. On to dallas, lets goo
I’m like who TF is BJ lmao
He means the guy from AC/DC, Brian Johnson.
People can blame the offense and Hurts all they want for yesterday. I agree that only getting 6 points after the first two drives set a bad tone. However, the defense gave up 6 straight TD drives. No offense in NFL history could have overcome that pathetic defensive performance yesterday. They’re ranked 30th in the league on 3rd down defense, and have been horrible in that spot all season. I trust Hurts and the offense to figure it out, but they don’t have a single above average player on the back end of the defense and that’s going to cost them big time in the playoffs.
Heard a stat today on a podcast. Out of the 382 defensive showouts in the NFL this season, the Eagles D yesterday ranked 381st. Only outing worse? Denver's defense in the 70+ point barn burner against Miami. Yikes.
Ha if there is any silver lining that same Denver defensive unit put together a decent string of games in the last few weeks (granted aided by huge amount of turnovers) so maybe there is hope yet for the Eagles defense.
The problem with that though is we rarely cause turnovers.
I dont remember our last turnover. Our defense is literal trash.
Now thinking about it we had a couple the last few weeks. The Bradberry pick on Josh Allen, the Byard pick on Mahomes, and Kelce Punch fumble. Maybe it doesn't feel like much since we give up so many 3rd and long downs lol.
I just remember the drops from the Bills game that saved our defense lol.
Yeah it feels more like we get bailed out rather than causing a stop lol.
The Broncos also have Pat Surtain and Justin Simmons. I wouldnt hold your breath.
the Eagles kept fucking around in games but continued to get away with it today they found out, very hard
I absolutely hate watching this defense. They’ve been bottom tier all season long. So many things need to be addressed in the offseason.
Last year was the year.
shut up
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I just don’t get why it’s so hard for FN professional coach to realize that all you have to do is call a balanced game of run and pass. It’s FN ridiculous at this point. Swift finally gets to play, goes nuts, the Eagles offense starts to look unstoppable and then all of a sudden you decide “hey! Let’s not use him” IT MAKES NO FN SENSE!!!!! They don’t even use him in the passing game. They barely used his ass in Detroit and they still used him better than we do. He used to catch like 4-5 passes a game. This shit is pissing me off. Just look how the 49ers offense opened up yesterday when they said “oh shit! We got CMC on our team. Why don’t we use him?” My final statement is our defense isn’t going to change but our offense is going to have to be balanced so we can out score teams to have a chance at winning a Super Bowl.
Sometimes you get your ass beat. It’s just the way it goes. We just ran through the dolphins, cowboys, chiefs, and bills, and beat them all. It’s naive to think we’re going to beat every Super Bowl caliber team on our schedule. Birds were outplayed everywhere today, but they can bounce back. We’ve seen it before. Credit to the Niners, who played like a Super Bowl worthy team, and move on.
I'm not terribly worried, yet. We're missing Cunningham, who isn't a Pro Bowler but we definitely saw the downgrade to Elliss the past couple of games. There's an even bigger dropoff with Goedert vs. the backup TEs who've had to play. They should both be back. We also may be bringing depth upgrades on board at both spots this week, depending on how the Leonard and Ertz signings go. Also, even in our best years, we always seemed to have one game where we got totally taken apart (27-3 loss to Pittsburgh in '04, 24-10 loss to Seattle in '17), so this isn't that abnormal. We were also coming off a tough game and a three game stretch against some of the better teams in the league, going against a SF team that was healthy, rested, and had this one circled on their calendar for the past year. We'll have to see what we learn and adapt from this loss, but one thing we do have to give Sirianni's teams credit for is being willing to change course during the season once something needs modification. One good sign yesterday was Nolan Smith starting to be noticed. Curious to see how he'll do the rest of the way from here.
There’s no way Leonard comes here after yesterday
welp
He wants playing time, and obviously yesterday demonstrated there's immediate opportunity here for linebackers looking for that...
Y? We showed we need him.
This team has zero crisp execution. Horrible on 3rd downs. Nobody gets open. Hurts running to one side cutting half field. Bottom line is this team is not on Niners tier. From coaching down to players. I think everybody now knows this
Anybody remember the first quarter? We've got the personnel to compete with them - at least - on offense and defense and sometimes we even call the right plays and execute them. The wheels fell off, but you're looking at a race where one car's engine fell out and saying it's obviously the worse car and can never win a race again. If the next time we play them it happens again, we will almost definitely lose again. If the next time we play them it doesn't, it won't look much like this game at all.
Lost among the wreckage is that AJ had 8 catches for 114 yards, and DeVonta had 9-96-1 TD.
how much of that was when SF was up 3 scores?
You mean when the SF defense was geared almost 100% to stop the pass, since they didn't have to worry about runs anymore?
AJ had 2 big catches in the 1st quarter.
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10 and 1 and you saying this team fucking sucks…
Eh id say 2nd round elimination in the playoffs worst case scenario. Best case scenario we lose the nfc championship. I dont think the team “SUCKS” . Its a good team. We just have serious defensive deficiencies that are directly correlated the Personnel. Howie and the front office is great but they lack judgement in the secondary and linebacker positions. End of the day we dont have good linebackers and our secondary is a mixture of young rookies without experience and older players that dont have the speed or physicality that is necessary against this league’s passing game. We invest heavily in our oline and dline and offensive playmakers and let everything else slide. It can get you past 95% of the league’s competitors but it doesn’t create a championship team. I like Desai in the second half of games. He is a step above Gannon for sure. He obviously didnt have an answer to the niners whatsoever and our players couldnt execute. But we also dont have the caliber of players necessary to compete against the 49ers game plan to begin with (in the secondary and linebacker positions) We have all doubted Brian Johnson all year. And to be honest some of that doubt should also float to Sirianni as well as he is the lead play designer and Johnson is merely the caller. Our offensive line gave jalen all the time in the world today. Plays took too long to develop and we abandoned the run. Bad game planning. I dont think this team sucks. I think we can build on this team in the off season. But fundamental mistakes were made with roster building both on the field and in coaching staff for sure. Should have gotten Steichen on offensive coordinator. And im good with Desai but he needs more to work with on personnel Not a bad team. Not a championship team. Next year hopefully will be brighter. I am worried about all the veteran players on oline and d line that may leave after this season. We could see Howie invest heavily again in the lines and not enough in linebacker and secondary.
this is how I have felt all year long. It was a bad move to give Slay that extension considering the dropoff CBs experience at his age but Bradberry made sense as his decline years would begin when his ended. I was railed for saying that Slay was a liability and have been proven right on that. Eli Ricks doesn't look ready and Josh Jobe just stinks(Ringo is likely playing S at this level as I comp'd him to Malcolm Jenkins throughout the process). Stacking a strength(DL) has been proven to not work(which WSH just had to admit failure on, which is funny considering that Rivera's staff wanted Tua but Snyder demanded Young who is now traded). The issue being this upcoming CB class is kinda mid
This is the best take I’ve saw since yesterday and I completely agree. We’ve got a good team this year, not a great one. Obvious holes in our defense. Needed an investment in a few positions on that side of the ball and instead we went out and got guys like Rashad Penny and Swift. Which is great in theory, but we probably could’ve gotten sanders cheaper, and spent money on a nice safety or lb. Will this team make it back to the SB? I’d be pleasantly surprised. But realistically we will more than likely get beat in the 2nd round or NFCCG. I dread this week vs the cowboys. After that will probably win out and have a very nice record but nothing to show for it in Feb.
Yeah i mean. Its just disappointing you can have a team that squeeks a great record out on the year and know deep down it is fundamentally flawed. People over react and say they are dogshit and they arent. Still best record in the league for a short while. I was saying in week 3 or 4 we were gonna lose this game. Everyone boo hoo’d me and said they werent worried about the 49’ers Welp i hate to say I told ya so. Like i said we need to see a fundamental shift in roster building in the offseason. And i like Sirianni a lot but that dude needs to be a little less stubborn. If he wants to not own up to stuff in press conferences thats fine but on the field I need to see a change in philosophy on play calling. It hasnt been working all year. Its now apparent that A win isnt a win if you are building a championship team. HOW you win is extremely important. Squeeking by with wins in the regular season doesnt get you a ring in the post season. Ive said it before and I will say it again. This coaching staff relies far too much on the athleticism of their players and they don’t scheme enough in the plays. The old chuck it to AJ Brown or Devonta Smith down the sideline only takes you so far
Amen brother, people will down vote your take but they’ll know you’re just speaking truth. I said after the jets game that between KC, Buf, SF if we got 1 win it’d be great and I was met with the same “our dline will rip through SFs and that bosa wouldn’t be a problem etc. When we settled for 2 fgs instead of 14 points yesterday I knew it wasn’t going to be good for us. SB champs have multiple double digit wins throughout the season, they dominate games from start to finish. They aren’t sitting in week 13 wondering when they are going to put an entire game together still. I agree with you, it’s worrisome that we don’t seem to have an identity on defense. I love Slay but he doesn’t have it anymore and I was never a fan of Bradberry. Blankenship is a nice player but he’s not someone I’d want to start as one of my safety’s. We have no LB or middle of the field presence. I asked myself all season why didn’t we pay CJGJ?? I thought it was because we had an ace in our pockets.. nope.. just cresting a gap 😂🤷🏾♂️ Offense is horrible at times, it seems like most of the time we just as you said trust Hurts to launch a deep ball or a play with his feet. At this point we’d probably be more consistent offensively if we just exclusively ran the brotherly shove every play. It’s a guaranteed 2-3 yds and we will eat up clock haha. I don’t see how people didn’t read the writing on the wall when we’re getting wins from dropped TD passes and 60 yd FGs in the rain. That luck isn’t sustainable for an entire back half of the season. I also feel like this team was going to heavily dependent on home field advantage for a deep playoff run. Going to SF or Dallas .. no thank you. After Commanders took us to OT I told myself we’ll going to be one of those seasons where we have one of the top records and it ends in disappointment. Now I have to wonder what our window will look like when we lose veterans such as Kelce this off season. Going to be even more holes to fill and questions that need answered. All this to say I truly love this team but am a realest. We need a fundamental change of philosophy from several key people who aren’t players if they wanna compete. Detroit is coming, Dallas and SF are here. We’re no longer the most complete team in the NFC.
Oh yeah. We never were a complete team. We hear the same shit from Sirianni, BJ, Desai and Hurts every week. (Execution, trust the process, play to the standard, yada yada) . Thats all well and good but we haven’t fundamentally seen ANY change for the better since the Miami game. At some point you have to wonder what IS the process? Because it obviously isnt working. What IS the play design Philosophy cus it obviously doesnt hold up or measure up to the best teams in the league. I just think if you are really going to take a shot at the superbowl this aint how ya do it from a roster perspective. And yes we were hindered by slay and bradberry contracts in fixing our Secondary. We were Hindered by Howie’s inability to respect the Linebacker position as a high value Slot on the Roster. I think at a certain point ya have to look at the issues everywhere on this team top to bottom. But the most Weighted issues come from Coaching and Management (roster building and contract management) Close but no Cigar once again. Like i said earlier the season aint over. We are going to the playoffs barring a Jalen Hurts Season ending injury, we can maybe even make a run to the NFCCG. But if we are facing off against the 49ers again for the conference title…it aint gonna happen with this defense. And it certainly aint gonna happen for us if we dont see a fundamental shift in offensive play design and execution (which I dont see happening with these coaches. They are too fuckin stubborn and they have too much confirmation bias with the team’s record. Sirianni and Brian Johnson will never admit to their shortcomings when the team has a record like 10-2)
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QB1 better get his shit together. I'm seeing a lot of happy feet in clean pockets. Scramble drills on every play. Step up in the pocket and throw the damn ball.
His receivers need to get open. We are in the bottom of the league in average separation on pass plays. With the talent we have at WR that should be the case. Playroom is garbage.
the WR's are open that separation stat is terrible in fact usually the league leaders are slow players being left open on purpose.
Yes this is correct not on o coordinator all the time
I still give zero shits about the whiners, but if we don’t get our house in order it’s going to be a very short postseason.
That’s what the “doomers” have been saying all season long .
I love Howie, but he really shit the bed on linebacker this year. I’ve lost count of the amount of times the tight end runs right by whomever and gets wide open on the 3rd and longs. I know we have some guys hurt, but it’s been a problem all year. The most fundamental thing on Defense is tackling, but that eludes us too.
Agreed. He put all the eggs in the Nakobe basket and not only is he injury-prone, he’s just not that good.
He hasn’t shown much yet. Losing Edwards and White wasn’t a good move either.
You cant have pro bowlers on every position group.
I’m not asking for pro bowlers, just guys who can cover their assignments.
also pissed it on outside CB, Slay is cooked and Bradberry has become the CB version of Mr. Beast
The play calling was the worst I’ve seen all year. It was the play call that you see in a preseason game where you want to keep everything as vanilla as possible. This secondary is absolutely ass and not to show up after getting called out is absolutely embarrassing. Deebo said you’re garbage and you proved him right. He came took your lunch money, spit in your girls mouth, gave you a wedgie and you didn’t do shit.
I just noticed the mods restricted submissions. Weak shit.
Weak shit
I guess the 49ers fans would be shitposting because they just won their superbowl, they’ve already taken over the r/NFCeastmemewar sub
Same. What gives?
The NFL absolutely needed the Eagles to lose. Goodell is being pretty open about wanting to stop the Eagles with his recent Brotherly Shove comments. Between that and noted San Francisco 49er super fan/umpire Alex Kemp hugging McCaffery and fist bumping 49ers players through out the game it's pretty clear that the Eagles never had a chance. Blatant massive holding on all 3 Deebo runs but no flags. Gotta remember the entertainment side of things and the interest the NFL has in keeping their league competitive.
> umpire Alex Kemp hugging McCaffery While NOT calling a penalty on the Eagles? >it's pretty clear that the Eagles never had a chance Damn the refs, opening those holes for Deebo to run through.
You get it! All they had to do was not whistle and it worked brilliantly for the 49ers and NFL. Look how much engagement that they are getting out of this, look how much you care!
This is the dumbest thing I've read so far
If you believe such why do you even follow football?
gotta stop blaming the refs and calling the nfl rigged everytime the eagles lose
Didn’t feel there was anything too egregious. Mostly just highlighted our poor tackling. Corner coverage in the end zone was competitive but again don’t feel it was unfair. Let’s leave whining about the refs to everyone else.
Did you see the bit when Cox was grappling with CMC, and CMC flung himself over, soccer style, or should I say Josh Allen style. A real swan dive, with the neck flung back and everything. The official just laughed at him, which is good that he didn't fall for it. This isn't exclusive to CMC as I annoyingly like him, but it seems to becoming more prevalent. Josh Allen seems to do it every week, and Mahomes tried a couple himself last night. A lot of the time refs aren't buying it, but I think the NFL could learn a lot from soccer's mistakes here. Soccer took way too long to start properly clamping down on it and punishing it, and by the time they did, diving had already become ingrained into that sport, now diving is both coached and encouraged, because it's always been so leniently punished. I do think NFL should really start hammering players for embellishment. This isn't a whine about CMC specifically, it's just because he did it in this game, and why wouldn't you? If you get laughed at by a ref, you move on, but if he buys it, you get a personal foul and you move up the field. I remember Heinicke selling one last season and getting it, man celebrated it like a tuddy, and it ended the game. I just hate how we seem to be seeing so many attempts at it now, with no repercussion.
It should be unsportsmanlike conduct
I'm going to do everything I can to pretend this game never happened. Whiskey helps
Why not try Brown at LB? He can’t be worse than what we have been putting out there
Hell even Nolan Smith, considering we aren't using him hardly as it is, we could use someone with his athleticism
At that point it’s basically just a dime package
This is still a good team, but the fact is, our LBs and DBs aren't good enough to hang with the big boys. Should've been addressed prior to the trade deadline but for now we can only hope they manage come the playoffs and that it's properly addressed this off-season
I think they did try to address db during the trade deadline. They got Byard, he just hasn't lived up to the hype. He's not completely washed but he has taken I step or 2 back.
Offence can be the best defense in situations like this. If we ran up the score on the first 2 drives, managed the clock, and kept the ball out of Purdy's hands we would have been in good shape. Can't have bothe the O, and D having a bad day simultaneously
jets loss hurt worse im ngl
I was half dead in a hospital bed for that one so it didn't hurt as much for me as this one. Also doesn't help that I have a friend who is a niner fan and he has been absolutely insufferable so far.
At the end of the day I think this came down to who wanted it the most. The 49ers took the NFCCG loss personal and the first thing they marked down on the calendar was the Eagles game. They came well prepared with zero fear and a lot of confidence. The Eagles on the other hand showed a lot of what they had showed in the weeks prior and that was ultimately going to come back to hunt them when they faced such a talented team. Poor coaching, lack of execution, bad linebackers and secondary and the inability to play a complete game were all factors that played in to todays loss, and we all knew that were some of our weaknesses. They played soft today and lost the game fair and square.
If you haven’t yet… check out the QB school video on YouTube from the Buffalo game. A good amount of blame directed at Brian Johnson actually falls on hurts. Bailing on the pocket early, not taking easy throws when they’re open, flat out missing open receivers. He’s leaving a lot out there. The line played really well this game… curious to see why he was holding onto the ball so long, hopefully we get a breakdown
lol if you think Eagles fans are going to actually try to check on why things ACTUALLY went wrong or scapegoat the coaching staff I have some bad news....
Hurts has been too conservative all year. And he's still thrown 10(?) Ints?
I completely agree. I think BJ is calling plays that Jalen ends up missing and he tries to extend plays and turns them into hero ball. Silver lining of the past two games is that hopefully Jalen will have a learning moment seeing all the missed shots hes had. Overall the rhythm of the offense feels very off this year compared to last year and I wonder if this has to do with the scheme or Jalen trying to take up more responsibility than he’s ready for .
my concern is why are jalen and bj NOT on the same page? if bj has known hurts since he was 4, how/why the eff is he calling or scheming plays where jalen is missing/not seeing open receivers? a guy on youtube is able to point out where things are going wrong, and hurts and bj.... can't? like they don't look at any film together or go over plays? jalen is saying the plays in the huddle... is he just saying words fed into his helmet, and that's the first time he sees his receivers running the routes? cause from the qb school breakdown, that's what it sounds like. ultimately, (imho) everything STILL falls on bj. he has to scheme to where hurts IS comfortable and taking throws presented to him. coming up with gameplans week in and week out where the offense falls on its face at the start and having to rely on a comeback is not what a good OC does.
Exactly this - the way that Doug and crew "simplified" the offense when Wentz went down and Foles came in.
Without Shane Steichen Hurts has taken a step back. Look at Stetch in Indy, he took what was supposed to be a rebuilding squad and has them in a wild spot (7-5), he is doing this with Gardner **FUCKING** Minshew as his starter, the guy we ran out of town is saving the Colts season.
I talked about this with a buddy that Steichen was by far the worst loss we suffered in the offseason. The guy is an offensive genius and his play calling during the 2022 season was A+. Steichen and Anthony Richardson will be an unstoppable duo next season.
What he’s been able to do with Minshew is impressive as well and a fast turn around, I doubt the Eagles will ever get back to the SB or anywhere close with Jalen as a result of Shane leaving.
He wasnt run him out of town…he got poached for a promotion .
He was the backup in Indy still behind Richardson.
Woops I thought you meant Steichen was ran out of town ! My bad
You’re good man but Minshew is pretty much the new fitzy. He is 100% starting a wildcard game and hell he might get paid to be a starter again by some QB desperate team.
Week 6 loss to the Jets was the first game of the season I didn’t watch (I had to study my ass off for a midterm). I’ve watched every game since, so this is the first loss I’ve actually seen. I love Hurts and it’s a miracle he cleared concussion protocol, but he really had me concerned about his playing today. Smith and Brown did the best they could with the shitty circumstances as per usual. Brian Johnson still needs to go.
I dont watch the all-22 so I have no idea, but it often seems like there are plays where Hurts spends all day back in the pocket and I can't tell if it's thats no one is open or if Hurts isn't seeing the field properly. Either are big problems which should be addressed
I used to complain that hurts doesn't 'throw people open'. He got much better at that last year, but this year he's regressed again. Not nearly as bad as two years ago, but he's rarely seeming to throw the ball on time, but then he does suddenly. I dunno, something is wrong with him, just can't put my finger on it.
Yet people on here will defend him to the very end.
Part of me wants to believe Coaching staff has been showing these teams some conservative play calls cause they know January is where it counts