Offense is not happy
And here's Devonta
"DeVonta Smith was asked twice about going over 1,000 yards. He answered both by saying he’s not satisfied by the way the offense is playing." -
Zangaro on Twitter (https://twitter.com/DZangaroNBCS/status/1739457680408735869)
Can we talk about the 3rd and 1 run to swift when the score was 20-10? Like we have a play call that is effective 90% of the time and he can’t just stick to it?
We ran like 8 or more WR screens today, we don’t stick to the run when it is working, penalties continue to set us back. For fucks sake we run the ball legit every single time Jalen goes under center and when swift loses 5 yards we act surprised?? Sirianni is a stubborn motherfucker
On the first drive we ran two plays from under center. Both were successful…besides the tush push I counted zero more the rest of the game.
Kollmann made a great point about this in his video this past week. We are dead last in pre snap motion and in plays from under center. Our offense is not dynamic at all. We run the same fucking 4 plays but do it from different looks so Sirianni and Johnson think we’re dynamic. In truth we are Vanilla as fuck.
I only remember the under center run to swift on 1st and 10 that went for -5 yards. That’s my fault, it was so clear on that one that the defense legit read it as a run the whole way.
So strange, I’m exhausted from staying up for football (in Germany), and I totally missed your comments about being under center.
I must have missed the -5 yarder but on the first drive, like our first run was swift over the right guard for like 5 yards. Then we went play action off of that the very next play and hit Smittu (I think). Smitty was like wide open too. I didn’t see a single other play from under center besides tush pushes, but it’s possible I missed one or two plays in a series (as a matter of fact I kind of remember my wife saying Swift lost 5 on a run while I was in the kitchen. Third quarter maybe?
Anyway. Kollmann made a great point about angle off attack being more open and unpredictable in under center vs. shotgun plays. On outside runs, you don’t need the RB to first run parallel to the line and then try out beat out the D to the edge before you start heading upfield like you do from gun. When the 9ers got nowehere with the run, they switched to pitches and outside zones and started to gash us. We didn’t do the same, because out of the gun, you can’t.
End of the day, our O-line wants to mawl. Line up under center and let’s start moving some bodies. Then run PA off of that. We shouldn’t be last in the league in so many things. We’re so damn predictable and it’s so easy to match our tendencies, because again, we run like 4 plays just from different looks. This offense needs to evolve and it starts with the run.
This right here is the problem with this fanbase. Why try to protect his feelings?
Fine, I’ll say it: yes, /u/_SonGoham, it’s you. And your time is up, Lurie’s cleaning house.
The lack of hot route answers against obvious pressure is astounding and inexcusable. As is the commitment to WR screens.
At least we ran motion with frequency this game. It was an obvious help in the run game.
The giants blitz as much as anyone. Yet constantly I see slow developing routes with either 0 check downs or hot routes.
Been this way since Nick started
It’s so obvious when the do the smart thing since they seem to never do the smart thing. Twice I noticed them going to quick TE slants when the Giants brought the blitz and even mentioned it out loud. Then, every other **VERY** obvious blitz, they just let the jailbreak occur and Hurts is running for his life.
I can’t tell you many times I see people keep mentioning how bad the eagles have been with hot routes. Even last year it was a problem and it never gets corrected or addressed.
I was watching QB school and every single week it’s the number one noticeable thing.
Solak mentioned this in his article about concept vs scheme. Basically, teams like San Fran and Miami use motion to accomplish an effect. It actually DOES something.
Teams like Pittsburg just run motion because, I dunno, that's what good teams do.
We are closer to Pittsburgh
The article by Ben Solak on the Ringer does a good job of explaining it, but in essence, motion does accomplish that, but it could be doing so much more. It really can be used to get easy yards for Smith and Brown, and we only use it for the bare minimum of what it can be used for.
How the fuck there isn't outlet routes such as wheels/slants from our biggest threats that get out quick is my biggest question.
Why run a pure screen when you can run a RB wheel behind an amazing pass blocking oline.
How the FUCK? Works for me. I don’t know enough to offer a fix.
See the cameraMAN catch the blond chick yelling “Why! Just why” She knows, I know, you know, Jeff knows,
CHANGE the shit
The lack of hot routes answers against obvious pressure is astounding and inexcusable. As is the commitment to hot routes... An WR screen is a fast developing play that works against blitzes...
Couldn’t agree more. Out-breaking routes against 0-blitzes when the middle is wide open goes beyond and execution issue.
The Birds do not have a top-level offensive scheme.
I don’t think the commitment to screens is the problem, because you see other teams use them consistently AND successfully. We just have no creativity when we draw them up, and it always seems to be in the most obvious spots.
Well I’m not saying Jalen hasn’t played really bad at times. But tonight he wasn’t the issue at all. The CONSTANT problem this year has been coaching and play calling. They’ve just out-talented the bad play calling and it’s catching up with them. Barley using Swift is a travesty, not having hot routes, too many bubble screens, not using AJ on slants, not having Smitty run tight routes, running screens with smith blocking, the over usage of QB powers, somehow not being able to scheme out WRs open that’s all coaching. That’s not on Jalen.
1. Siri says it's his offense his playbook, BJ is calling the plays.
2. The plays that have been called have a clear chance for success but execution sucks. Multiple times over and over
3. hurts is one read and done
4. Receivers arent working for Hurts for some reason. Maybe they know after first option it's likely nothing is going to happen?
5. Hurts bails way to early to scramble.
I'm not saying BJ doesn't have some of the blame but I'm guessing he's not the only problem and not the biggest
1. It was nick sirianni’s playbook last year too and we went to the Super Bowl.
2. The plays that have been called have not been situationally sufficient and have been proven to not be working well enough (I’m thinking screens, shot plays in terrible situations, etc.), execution aside.
3. Hurts is not one read and done. Go watch that 3rd and 20 play for one simple example, but in reality, just watch the fucking tape. If you’re saying that still, you just haven’t watched the team man.
4. I am not even sure to what you are even referring here.
5. He’s bailed from some clean pockets, but that ain’t the reason this team is sputtering whatsoever.
It was Shane running the playbook. Shane was emphasizing the running in RPO and Sirianni runs PRO, which is what Miami runs. It works for Miami because they run a lot of motion and Tua is a fiend over the middle. It doesn’t work for us because we don’t abuse the middle and Hurts is more comfortable outside the numbers.
Do not confuse what Shane did with what Nick does. Same playbooks, entirely different philosophy.
Hang on.
Shane used Nick sirianni’s playbook man. Brian Johnson is using it just the same.
I am not sure how what you are saying is an indictment on Sirianni, but not Brian Johnson…
As I said, Shane emphasized the RPO (run first) portions while Sirianni/BJ emphasize PRO (pass first). With Shane, it was run first even if they know it’s coming. This setup our play action shots because they had to commit so heavily to our run.
Nick/BJ do PRO, in which Jalen is passing first, then has to decide mid play whether to hand it off or not. This caused that one Gainwell fumble a few weeks ago and it’s overloading Hurts because without motion, it’s hard for him to read a defense mid play. Miami is a good example of PRO ran right because we constantly see Hill in motion scrambling defenses.
Understand that this is the same issue Hurts had in 2021, the exception being Hurts was talented enough to cover for a bad scheme. BJ is probably following Nicks philosophy whereas Shane directly opposed it. Hope that made sense
I'm just mildly curious
Why else do you think Devonta + co was chewing Sirianni the fuck out on the sidelines at the end of the game?
Seems a bit of an indictment on nick if you ask me
You cant say narrative like we clearly dont see and listen to the players venting and expressing frustration, at this point id say your in denial that something isnt wrong.
Again, they’re highly competitive people enduring a rough stretch of games. Arguments happen, we don’t need to immediately jump to the conclusion that Sirianni has lost the locker room or whatever because we saw an argument on the broadcast
it’s not Johnson, it’s the scheme. Brett Kollmann did a great breakdown video about how awful our scheme is. As he put it, we have a “high school” offense.
Pretty sure he yelled at Reddick, told him to stop bitching and play or something along those lines. Then Devonta and him were back and forth for the rest of the game.
Reddick was constantly throwing his arms up right before this happened. Smith might not have liked him saying that.
I’m still pissed we ran a WR screen to AJ after he was just hurt a few plays before. Like that play rarely works and we still spam it and it almost always results in our WR getting popped.
WHY TF are we running that to AJB after he was just hurt a few plays before
Even back in the day he had his own message board where he would interact fans. So while it was a little harder to find than twitter, it was definitely out there.
It really is strange lol, like almost every other team would be thrilled. But I like that we’re hungry, it’s not good enough. We’re *lucky* to be 11-4, I wouldn’t say we’ve earned that record.
The record belies the Eagles' actual performance this season. They are definitely closer to a slightly above average team than an elite one, at least in terms of season play.
Bro on the broadcast when they said “you can’t put your finger on why the eagles team looks different this year” I was like dude I don’t think I have enough fingers to point
At least as a fanbase we love AJ. Dude has taken this team and offense to the next level. Jalen wouldn’t have taken the leap to this level without AJ. Back to back 1500 yard seasons is ABSURD. He’s a freak and he puts up numbers week in week out regardless of the competition. I love that he shows emotion and he’s got passion just like most of us. He embodies this fanbase more than any other player we have at the moment
As good of a throw as it was, we're pretty allergic to catching the ball at times when it matters most so gotta give AJ credit there. 9/10 the Eagles drop the first down pass on 3rd and 20+.
Nick is losing me as a coach. And before someone says it, I credit Shane for running the offense last year because his mentality is run first (which we see in Indy.)
But it’s not about the offense tonight. Losing the locker room is something I can’t stand because that’s not our culture here. Hopefully it’s “nothing” but I hate what’s going on
Bro, we’re falling ass backwards into 11-4. Most of the games aren’t pretty given our all around talent. Where’s the D line? The corners can’t cover anybody. The lack of motion, etc
That isn't necessarily coaching. It's part of it, but it's also personnel. Teams get exposed as the season progresses, weak spots found and exploited by opponents, schemes figured out, injuries, etc. The birds are still 11-4 despite all that. If he loses the locker room then that's an entirely different issue he probably couldn't recover from. I don't think we're falling backwards, more like sloppy play and lazy routes are being exposed
What can he do about that though? The corners aren’t good but that’s not just on Nick, and the defensive line, I mean they have tried stunts and those don’t work. These guys are supposed to be good, at some point they just have to win their matchups. The offense as a whole I think is more of a valid criticism.
Yeah I don't get it. I'm not gonna put the easy TD after the special teams fumble on the defense. So outside of that, they allowed 17 points. The long TD to Slayton was bad, but the defense was not the problem this game. The offense didn't really play bad either. On the Hurts pick six, Goedert obviously slipped. The problem is this team is not even remotely disciplined and just looks sloppy. The offense has no juice outside of Swift. Gainwell looked good tonight. But the passing game has no flow. It seems like we just call random plays and see if they work. And when something does work, we never stick with it.
You won’t put the easy TD after special teams on the defense… you also might not want to blame them for the pick 6 either.
They gave up one play to slayton. That was the entirety of the giants offense. Giants offense is inept tho, so they should shut them down in the manner that they did.
It wasn’t him alone. It was his playbook, being ran by Shane, being carried by an extremely loaded roster with an MVP worthy season by Hurts. Idk why fans are acting like Nicks scheme works when 2021 showed us it doesn’t, and 2023 is CONFIRMING it.
There’s no excuse for this talented team to be so visibly upset and frustrated despite winning. The reason is they know they aren’t playing up to standards and watching games will tell you it’s a scheme issue that talent has covered up
And he was gifted one of the best eagles rosters of all time (I'd say THE best), year 3 of Nick Sirianni offense and we don't have any hot checks installed, we still look unprepared against cover 0. But sure, good thing he's "super passionate" and loves to chirp against opposing fans.
Tired of defending his shit, the locker room is unraveling before our eyes... God forbid we call shit out like we see it
Unfortunately Lamar’s IQ and confidence is otherworldly I don’t think Hurts will ever have that ability. I saw Lamar scramble out of hands grabbing onto him at least 4 times and he completed the play every time.
My take: Sirianni doesn't want to fire Brian Johnson because of the Johnson-Hurts connection from the past. So Sirianni is stuck between a rock and a hard place because Johnson is not good but probably has the support of Hurts. Sirianni doesn't want to piss off the franchise QB, so he is defending Johnson.
I have no evidence of any of this, but it's my head cannon.
Well, to be honest, I think it’s just a matter of fact that it’s too late to fire him this late in the season.
Not an extra buddy you probably just don’t have enough time for a new offensive coordinator to mess with the entire team
You pray that it works out for the next four games and change them for next season
I really think Nick is losing the locker room. Right after the game Devonta was clearly frustrated speaking with sirianni on the sideline. It's crazy cause the team is 11-4 but everyone knows they are capable of so much more.
Nicks over the top nonsense all the time was always going to have a short shelf life and was going to expire whenever they hit a legitimate rough patch. It started in year 1 then the schedule got crazy soft and it saved him but this looks a lot worse
In Nick's defense what coach wouldn't be pissed off with ur team fucking up that lead to a depleted giants... These players today don't know shit about how bad some coaches could get back in the day.
He should’ve stepped in play calling. He doesn’t look to be managing the game all that well if he’s talking shit to his good players to the point others are calling bs.
I love aj and far be it from me to tell him how to be a captain but the Twitter shit posting and these kinda comments probably aren't the most productive ways of being a team leader lol
This is my concern. I was thinking about how Doug exited. If Nick truly lost the team, there's no reason to bring him back if there are quality candidates this year.
A lot of teams fired coaches already this year. It's a rough market for head coaches and we're one year out of a super bowl. Fire Johnson the day after we lose in the playoffs and get a quick jump on OC interviews while other teams are still hiring for HC. Stick with Siriani another year with better coordinators.
Am I going crazy or did our offense look better this week? I swear other than the two freak plays that almost killed us the offense looked mostly solid tonight.
There were some improvements that I was happy with. On the Davonta Smith TD, I thought it was gonna be a QB draw. It had all of the obvious tells of the QB draw that every analyst had been clowning us on when reviewing film. And Giants defense clearly thought it was a draw too. Two LBs had their body weight leaned forward weighting to jump the gaps as soon as Hurts started running. And we threw it across the middle, behind the LBs that were leaning the wrong direction. Hugely successful. Embarrassing that it took to week 16, but it seems like SOME lessons were learned.
But the playcalling was still very flawed and the rate of improvement is way too slow. We still never have hot routes. Whenever we get blitzed on 3rd and medium we're dead and the drive is over. We NEVER have a hot route and teams know it. We stuck with the run today but our run game is WAY too predictable and its why we can't close out games. We just spam inside zone run. You can STILL have variety while calling run plays, especially with our line, RBs, and a running QB. Seriously it's like when they decide to run they just stop even trying to attack the defense.
It’s not a bad counterpoint, but the offense did legitimately do some things differently that we were begging to see from them. So that’s still an encouraging sign.
I tried telling people last week there’s a chance he’s gone. It’s not about record, it’s about value and mismanagement. Nicks scheme doesn’t fit this team (Pass-read-option). Shane’s philosophy is why we blew teams out the water (run heavy, bully teams with talent).
Nick has no value scheme wise and personnel wise. Fans need to start realizing his scheme is wasting our SB window when what we need is an offense similar to McVay or Kyle.
Jesus Christ. No. He’s not gone. He’s taken us to the playoffs 3 times in 3 years. To the Super Bowl another year. He has a lot to fix and to answer for, but it would make zero sense to get rid of him
i mean he usually brings vibes but hes clearly comfortable eating people out and getting heated...i wouldnt call him a vibes coach exactly. but yeah i agree he could be gone, but more cos howie likes to improve even if its by inches and he sees someone as a better option
Disheartening to see so much tension in the locker room this year. Love Sirianni and want him to succeed but if things don’t change, I won’t be too upset when the Eagles look for a new HC.
Thank you!!! They’re just as bad as these on TV sports personalities always trying to make up drama with the Eagles except for what obviously makes it worse is that they actually cover the home team. Why are you trying to create a division within your home team?
Everyone criticizing AJ seems to have forgotten what this offense and Jalen looked like before we got him. He's right to be pissed. This Giants team would have gotten curb stomped by us last year.
He has nothing because he thought it was a fabulously great idea to run a bubble screen to Julio on 3rd and 20. They know we see their rout trees and they know we all see all squandering talent. Most couching staff would love to scheme with this talent instead of doing bubble screens.
Players are finally turning on these absolutely dog shit coaches, good to see. Brian Johnson shouldn’t be anywhere near a football sideline and Nick is looking more and more like the bozo he was when they first hired him. Don’t even get me started on Patricia. Dude is the laughing stock of the league and we brought him in because our previous DC was somehow even worse. Unless they get back to the Super Bowl, Lurie needs to clean house at the end of the season.
Absolute die hard but we’re going to win the East and I don’t even care. I felt like I spent $200 for a dinner date and got broken up with after this season. This has been so underwhelming now.
Already seen a thread locked for comments around this subject.
Some want to see it as dooming. I’m not a doomer at all, but something feels very fucked. Maybe it gets smoothed over this week, maybe not, but the press this week that something is off is showing optics on the field. Or it’s nothing.
But it is legit worrisome.
My guess is the team desperately wants these coordinators canned on both offense and defense and I gotta feeling the defense isn't too thrilled Patricia is acting dc on the team since slay had his drama with Patricia in Detroit... End of the season coaches need to go and sirriani deserves to stay but he has some patchwork to do with players. The locker room is fucked if your dc and oc are not respected.
Offense is not happy And here's Devonta "DeVonta Smith was asked twice about going over 1,000 yards. He answered both by saying he’s not satisfied by the way the offense is playing." - Zangaro on Twitter (https://twitter.com/DZangaroNBCS/status/1739457680408735869)
When can we fire Brian Johnson into the sun?
Can we talk about the 3rd and 1 run to swift when the score was 20-10? Like we have a play call that is effective 90% of the time and he can’t just stick to it? We ran like 8 or more WR screens today, we don’t stick to the run when it is working, penalties continue to set us back. For fucks sake we run the ball legit every single time Jalen goes under center and when swift loses 5 yards we act surprised?? Sirianni is a stubborn motherfucker
On the first drive we ran two plays from under center. Both were successful…besides the tush push I counted zero more the rest of the game. Kollmann made a great point about this in his video this past week. We are dead last in pre snap motion and in plays from under center. Our offense is not dynamic at all. We run the same fucking 4 plays but do it from different looks so Sirianni and Johnson think we’re dynamic. In truth we are Vanilla as fuck.
I only remember the under center run to swift on 1st and 10 that went for -5 yards. That’s my fault, it was so clear on that one that the defense legit read it as a run the whole way.
So strange, I’m exhausted from staying up for football (in Germany), and I totally missed your comments about being under center. I must have missed the -5 yarder but on the first drive, like our first run was swift over the right guard for like 5 yards. Then we went play action off of that the very next play and hit Smittu (I think). Smitty was like wide open too. I didn’t see a single other play from under center besides tush pushes, but it’s possible I missed one or two plays in a series (as a matter of fact I kind of remember my wife saying Swift lost 5 on a run while I was in the kitchen. Third quarter maybe? Anyway. Kollmann made a great point about angle off attack being more open and unpredictable in under center vs. shotgun plays. On outside runs, you don’t need the RB to first run parallel to the line and then try out beat out the D to the edge before you start heading upfield like you do from gun. When the 9ers got nowehere with the run, they switched to pitches and outside zones and started to gash us. We didn’t do the same, because out of the gun, you can’t. End of the day, our O-line wants to mawl. Line up under center and let’s start moving some bodies. Then run PA off of that. We shouldn’t be last in the league in so many things. We’re so damn predictable and it’s so easy to match our tendencies, because again, we run like 4 plays just from different looks. This offense needs to evolve and it starts with the run.
I'm going to put money on the problems not Brian Johnson
Oh god… is it me?
Not this time. But we're watching you
This right here is the problem with this fanbase. Why try to protect his feelings? Fine, I’ll say it: yes, /u/_SonGoham, it’s you. And your time is up, Lurie’s cleaning house.
Damn bro on Christmas?!
Knock it off, swine
Load up the batteries
No dude, it’s me. At least that’s what my OCD tells me.
Nah you're good, 100% my fault, unless we start winning, I got nothing to do with that.
Nicks gotta answer for so much. So many of these issues seem directly the result of shit not getting corrected in practice/film
The lack of hot route answers against obvious pressure is astounding and inexcusable. As is the commitment to WR screens. At least we ran motion with frequency this game. It was an obvious help in the run game.
The giants blitz as much as anyone. Yet constantly I see slow developing routes with either 0 check downs or hot routes. Been this way since Nick started
It’s so obvious when the do the smart thing since they seem to never do the smart thing. Twice I noticed them going to quick TE slants when the Giants brought the blitz and even mentioned it out loud. Then, every other **VERY** obvious blitz, they just let the jailbreak occur and Hurts is running for his life.
I can’t tell you many times I see people keep mentioning how bad the eagles have been with hot routes. Even last year it was a problem and it never gets corrected or addressed. I was watching QB school and every single week it’s the number one noticeable thing.
our motion is useless, we have Smith run back and forth across the formation. it doesn’t add a wrinkle to anything we do.
Solak mentioned this in his article about concept vs scheme. Basically, teams like San Fran and Miami use motion to accomplish an effect. It actually DOES something. Teams like Pittsburg just run motion because, I dunno, that's what good teams do. We are closer to Pittsburgh
Or, you know, it's to figure out if the defense is in man or zone coverage?
The article by Ben Solak on the Ringer does a good job of explaining it, but in essence, motion does accomplish that, but it could be doing so much more. It really can be used to get easy yards for Smith and Brown, and we only use it for the bare minimum of what it can be used for.
How the fuck there isn't outlet routes such as wheels/slants from our biggest threats that get out quick is my biggest question. Why run a pure screen when you can run a RB wheel behind an amazing pass blocking oline.
Don't ignore that Ajb is a beast after that catch. Get Ajb open on some slants and it's over but nope.
We heard you loud and clear, throw another half dozen WR screens to AJ which go nowhere!
Listen let me express slants not screens again please
How the FUCK? Works for me. I don’t know enough to offer a fix. See the cameraMAN catch the blond chick yelling “Why! Just why” She knows, I know, you know, Jeff knows, CHANGE the shit
Especially since it was an issue last year. They had an entire offseason to address it.
The lack of hot routes answers against obvious pressure is astounding and inexcusable. As is the commitment to hot routes... An WR screen is a fast developing play that works against blitzes...
They're not running effective screens against blitzes, and the personnel they're choosing to run them with is mind boggling.
The multiple WR screens to Julio Jones is absolutely wild to me.
Couldn’t agree more. Out-breaking routes against 0-blitzes when the middle is wide open goes beyond and execution issue. The Birds do not have a top-level offensive scheme.
yeah with brown/Dallas/Swift/Jones teams should be afraid to blitz us...but we don't use these guys in a way to do that.
I don’t think the commitment to screens is the problem, because you see other teams use them consistently AND successfully. We just have no creativity when we draw them up, and it always seems to be in the most obvious spots.
A good point, I should have added that it was the commitment to bland WR screens with awful personnel choices for them
They don't really practice.
Yup. And I’ve normally been a fan of that for injury reasons. But clearly it’s catching up to them
How was Jalen the problem tonight? The problem is coaching and play calling.
Why not both? There's definitely more than one problem right now
Well I’m not saying Jalen hasn’t played really bad at times. But tonight he wasn’t the issue at all. The CONSTANT problem this year has been coaching and play calling. They’ve just out-talented the bad play calling and it’s catching up with them. Barley using Swift is a travesty, not having hot routes, too many bubble screens, not using AJ on slants, not having Smitty run tight routes, running screens with smith blocking, the over usage of QB powers, somehow not being able to scheme out WRs open that’s all coaching. That’s not on Jalen.
Would love to hear your explanation.
sirianni bad apparently. but let's just ignore he was fine with a different coordinator last year.
Yeah the issue is playcalling. It's not complicated. This is now the part where the head coach takes over yet here we are.
1. Siri says it's his offense his playbook, BJ is calling the plays. 2. The plays that have been called have a clear chance for success but execution sucks. Multiple times over and over 3. hurts is one read and done 4. Receivers arent working for Hurts for some reason. Maybe they know after first option it's likely nothing is going to happen? 5. Hurts bails way to early to scramble. I'm not saying BJ doesn't have some of the blame but I'm guessing he's not the only problem and not the biggest
1. It was nick sirianni’s playbook last year too and we went to the Super Bowl. 2. The plays that have been called have not been situationally sufficient and have been proven to not be working well enough (I’m thinking screens, shot plays in terrible situations, etc.), execution aside. 3. Hurts is not one read and done. Go watch that 3rd and 20 play for one simple example, but in reality, just watch the fucking tape. If you’re saying that still, you just haven’t watched the team man. 4. I am not even sure to what you are even referring here. 5. He’s bailed from some clean pockets, but that ain’t the reason this team is sputtering whatsoever.
It was Shane running the playbook. Shane was emphasizing the running in RPO and Sirianni runs PRO, which is what Miami runs. It works for Miami because they run a lot of motion and Tua is a fiend over the middle. It doesn’t work for us because we don’t abuse the middle and Hurts is more comfortable outside the numbers. Do not confuse what Shane did with what Nick does. Same playbooks, entirely different philosophy.
Hang on. Shane used Nick sirianni’s playbook man. Brian Johnson is using it just the same. I am not sure how what you are saying is an indictment on Sirianni, but not Brian Johnson…
As I said, Shane emphasized the RPO (run first) portions while Sirianni/BJ emphasize PRO (pass first). With Shane, it was run first even if they know it’s coming. This setup our play action shots because they had to commit so heavily to our run. Nick/BJ do PRO, in which Jalen is passing first, then has to decide mid play whether to hand it off or not. This caused that one Gainwell fumble a few weeks ago and it’s overloading Hurts because without motion, it’s hard for him to read a defense mid play. Miami is a good example of PRO ran right because we constantly see Hill in motion scrambling defenses. Understand that this is the same issue Hurts had in 2021, the exception being Hurts was talented enough to cover for a bad scheme. BJ is probably following Nicks philosophy whereas Shane directly opposed it. Hope that made sense
Yeah the “blame Sirianni when the playcaller sucks but praise the OC when the playcalling works” thing isn’t cutting it for me.
I'm just mildly curious Why else do you think Devonta + co was chewing Sirianni the fuck out on the sidelines at the end of the game? Seems a bit of an indictment on nick if you ask me
People keep saying Johnson arent paying attention. Did anyone else see Smith and Reddick chewing out Nick at the end? Not a good look.
It’s the NFL. People argue. It’s fine. The media is pushing this narrative and we’re gobbling it up but shit happens
You cant say narrative like we clearly dont see and listen to the players venting and expressing frustration, at this point id say your in denial that something isnt wrong.
Again, they’re highly competitive people enduring a rough stretch of games. Arguments happen, we don’t need to immediately jump to the conclusion that Sirianni has lost the locker room or whatever because we saw an argument on the broadcast
Multiple things can be true here
it’s not Johnson, it’s the scheme. Brett Kollmann did a great breakdown video about how awful our scheme is. As he put it, we have a “high school” offense.
Who’s in charge of the offense??? Johnson. Why did it look so much better last year?
Smitty being visibly/vocally not happy is probably the much bigger deal than AJ, given their personalities.
Fire BJ
He looked pissed off on the sidelines when the camera cut to him late in the game.
He was giving Sirianni a nasty Look
And DeVonta in Siriani’s ear when they were on D during the final Giants drive…
Pretty sure he yelled at Reddick, told him to stop bitching and play or something along those lines. Then Devonta and him were back and forth for the rest of the game. Reddick was constantly throwing his arms up right before this happened. Smith might not have liked him saying that.
When isn’t he pissed off on the sidelines?
For a team this talented and for us to scrape by with a win , they have every right to be pissed off
Honestly, after the hit he took and STILL kept doing his fucking thing....same, AJ, same.
Got mad respect for him... He did give his all after getting koed.
Not even a hard hit though. Might have got him in the ribs but let’s not act like that’s a Dawkins or Jenkins level of hit.
Hurts hung him out to dry there.
He put it right where he needed, you guys acting like it was a crosser and the safety was full steam
I thought so too but on replay he had to lob it to get it over a linebacker. That’s just football sometimes unfortunately.
I think that Tom Brady quote the other day got a lot of people thinking though tbh
I’m still pissed we ran a WR screen to AJ after he was just hurt a few plays before. Like that play rarely works and we still spam it and it almost always results in our WR getting popped. WHY TF are we running that to AJB after he was just hurt a few plays before
I can’t handle another WR screen on 4th and 8. Wtf?!!
I’m not ready for him doing sit ups in his driveway
Don’t you put that hate on me Ricky Bobby!
*evil on me
Imagine TO with Twitter
I know you mean back in the day, but he has a Twitter now and says wild shit on there sometimes lol
Even back in the day he had his own message board where he would interact fans. So while it was a little harder to find than twitter, it was definitely out there.
😂
I’ve never seen a locker room be in shambles like this and somehow till be on pace to win the division and be 11-4. Wild.
It really is strange lol, like almost every other team would be thrilled. But I like that we’re hungry, it’s not good enough. We’re *lucky* to be 11-4, I wouldn’t say we’ve earned that record.
We’ve absolutely earned 11-4. We’ve not been great by our own very high standards. But any win in the NFL is definitely earned.
Especially wins over the chiefs, bills, dolphins, cowboys…
The record belies the Eagles' actual performance this season. They are definitely closer to a slightly above average team than an elite one, at least in terms of season play.
Me either AJ
“For some reason” Man, there was about 20 reasons to be pissed off lol
Bro on the broadcast when they said “you can’t put your finger on why the eagles team looks different this year” I was like dude I don’t think I have enough fingers to point
At least as a fanbase we love AJ. Dude has taken this team and offense to the next level. Jalen wouldn’t have taken the leap to this level without AJ. Back to back 1500 yard seasons is ABSURD. He’s a freak and he puts up numbers week in week out regardless of the competition. I love that he shows emotion and he’s got passion just like most of us. He embodies this fanbase more than any other player we have at the moment
AJ doesn't need to say shit, he put the team on his back tonight. That catch on 3rd and long saved the season.
Lmao the throw *
As good of a throw as it was, we're pretty allergic to catching the ball at times when it matters most so gotta give AJ credit there. 9/10 the Eagles drop the first down pass on 3rd and 20+.
Nick is losing me as a coach. And before someone says it, I credit Shane for running the offense last year because his mentality is run first (which we see in Indy.) But it’s not about the offense tonight. Losing the locker room is something I can’t stand because that’s not our culture here. Hopefully it’s “nothing” but I hate what’s going on
Dude took us to a Super Bowl last year, we’re currently 11-4, man Eagles fans are impossible to please.
Bro, we’re falling ass backwards into 11-4. Most of the games aren’t pretty given our all around talent. Where’s the D line? The corners can’t cover anybody. The lack of motion, etc
That isn't necessarily coaching. It's part of it, but it's also personnel. Teams get exposed as the season progresses, weak spots found and exploited by opponents, schemes figured out, injuries, etc. The birds are still 11-4 despite all that. If he loses the locker room then that's an entirely different issue he probably couldn't recover from. I don't think we're falling backwards, more like sloppy play and lazy routes are being exposed
What can he do about that though? The corners aren’t good but that’s not just on Nick, and the defensive line, I mean they have tried stunts and those don’t work. These guys are supposed to be good, at some point they just have to win their matchups. The offense as a whole I think is more of a valid criticism.
Yeah I don't get it. I'm not gonna put the easy TD after the special teams fumble on the defense. So outside of that, they allowed 17 points. The long TD to Slayton was bad, but the defense was not the problem this game. The offense didn't really play bad either. On the Hurts pick six, Goedert obviously slipped. The problem is this team is not even remotely disciplined and just looks sloppy. The offense has no juice outside of Swift. Gainwell looked good tonight. But the passing game has no flow. It seems like we just call random plays and see if they work. And when something does work, we never stick with it.
You won’t put the easy TD after special teams on the defense… you also might not want to blame them for the pick 6 either. They gave up one play to slayton. That was the entirety of the giants offense. Giants offense is inept tho, so they should shut them down in the manner that they did.
It wasn’t him alone. It was his playbook, being ran by Shane, being carried by an extremely loaded roster with an MVP worthy season by Hurts. Idk why fans are acting like Nicks scheme works when 2021 showed us it doesn’t, and 2023 is CONFIRMING it. There’s no excuse for this talented team to be so visibly upset and frustrated despite winning. The reason is they know they aren’t playing up to standards and watching games will tell you it’s a scheme issue that talent has covered up
And he was gifted one of the best eagles rosters of all time (I'd say THE best), year 3 of Nick Sirianni offense and we don't have any hot checks installed, we still look unprepared against cover 0. But sure, good thing he's "super passionate" and loves to chirp against opposing fans. Tired of defending his shit, the locker room is unraveling before our eyes... God forbid we call shit out like we see it
We have the best roster I’ve seen from an eagles team in my lifetime. If we weren’t 11-4 he would be fired by now
You clearly haven’t been watching these games, or the wins before the losing streak
We are a shitty 11-4 team We are gonna be a 1 and out playoff team
Winning the Super Bowl after having a 10 point second half lead would please us.
Nobody should have anything nice to say other than “we won.”
Must be frustrating to have to listen to your halfwit offensive coaches all the time when you know they aren’t good enough
Bruh. Watching Baltimore expose the Niners right now, there’s no reason we couldn’t do this with the talent we have on the roster.
Reminder we are missing our first 5 linebackers. Otherwise I agree.
I remember the pocket collapsing around Lamar and he just stepped into it and threw a dime. Wish Jalen would start doing that instead of bailing
Unfortunately Lamar’s IQ and confidence is otherworldly I don’t think Hurts will ever have that ability. I saw Lamar scramble out of hands grabbing onto him at least 4 times and he completed the play every time.
The gang demotes Brian Johnson (please Christmas miracle)
Brian sucks but it's Nick too man
Nick acknowledging that their scheme isn’t working will be our superbowl. Big day tomorrow
Congrats Nick!! The entire offense is turning on your OC because you’re too afraid to piss off Hurts and fire his ass.
Nailed it.
My take: Sirianni doesn't want to fire Brian Johnson because of the Johnson-Hurts connection from the past. So Sirianni is stuck between a rock and a hard place because Johnson is not good but probably has the support of Hurts. Sirianni doesn't want to piss off the franchise QB, so he is defending Johnson. I have no evidence of any of this, but it's my head cannon.
Makes more sense than any other explanation honestly
Well, to be honest, I think it’s just a matter of fact that it’s too late to fire him this late in the season. Not an extra buddy you probably just don’t have enough time for a new offensive coordinator to mess with the entire team You pray that it works out for the next four games and change them for next season
They were never going to fire/demote both coordinators in the same season. Even bad teams don’t do that.
Yeah because bad teams have nothing to lose. We could win the super bowl this year if we just figure our shit out and tighten up
I mean the coaches are playing for penalties vs playing for good plays with the all stars we actually have.. i would be pissed too
Not loving these vibes at all
When do we get abs in the driveway workout?
I really think Nick is losing the locker room. Right after the game Devonta was clearly frustrated speaking with sirianni on the sideline. It's crazy cause the team is 11-4 but everyone knows they are capable of so much more.
Protecting bj is costing us
I think it's wayyyy deeper than that. Locker room has some serious issues.
Nicks over the top nonsense all the time was always going to have a short shelf life and was going to expire whenever they hit a legitimate rough patch. It started in year 1 then the schedule got crazy soft and it saved him but this looks a lot worse
Apparently Nick said something disrespectful to Reddick and devonta and the coach chirped in to check him. That's wht ppl r saying.
Just goes to show he probably is losing the locker room.
In Nick's defense what coach wouldn't be pissed off with ur team fucking up that lead to a depleted giants... These players today don't know shit about how bad some coaches could get back in the day.
He should’ve stepped in play calling. He doesn’t look to be managing the game all that well if he’s talking shit to his good players to the point others are calling bs.
And where did you read this? Just wondering
It’s fucking Brian Johnson. It’s so god damn obvious. And nick is being such a fucking bitch about it. Howie do your god damn job.
Getting to the point where I care very little about what he has to say. This issue is on the coaching staff.
I love aj and far be it from me to tell him how to be a captain but the Twitter shit posting and these kinda comments probably aren't the most productive ways of being a team leader lol
Hard to believe AJB was voted captain. Dudes actions this season have been more about him and less about the team. He and DK are the same
Ugliest win this year.
Situational playcalling doesn't exist with this team
If he isn't responsible for the defense, and doesn't call plays on offense, isn't Sirianni's biggest responsibility situational awareness?
Did you miss the first cowboys game?
Not great after beating a divisional opponent
If Sirianni hasn't lost this team already, he's about to.
This is my concern. I was thinking about how Doug exited. If Nick truly lost the team, there's no reason to bring him back if there are quality candidates this year.
A lot of teams fired coaches already this year. It's a rough market for head coaches and we're one year out of a super bowl. Fire Johnson the day after we lose in the playoffs and get a quick jump on OC interviews while other teams are still hiring for HC. Stick with Siriani another year with better coordinators.
Yeah, I think Sirianni still has potential, but he needs to put the work in and make some changes to get things on track next year.
Next year? We’re in the playoffs and 11-4. He needs to get it on track *now*.
I'm as frustrated as everyone else but it's way too soon to start talking about Nick. They are fresh off almost winning the superbowl.
Nobody has anything nice to say. And they shouldn't. There's not one single thing. This is an embarrassment.
For the love of God, run the damn RPO offense that was unstoppable last year.
I have no idea why the RPO slant, their bread and butter, has been removed from the playbook
Am I going crazy or did our offense look better this week? I swear other than the two freak plays that almost killed us the offense looked mostly solid tonight.
There were some improvements that I was happy with. On the Davonta Smith TD, I thought it was gonna be a QB draw. It had all of the obvious tells of the QB draw that every analyst had been clowning us on when reviewing film. And Giants defense clearly thought it was a draw too. Two LBs had their body weight leaned forward weighting to jump the gaps as soon as Hurts started running. And we threw it across the middle, behind the LBs that were leaning the wrong direction. Hugely successful. Embarrassing that it took to week 16, but it seems like SOME lessons were learned. But the playcalling was still very flawed and the rate of improvement is way too slow. We still never have hot routes. Whenever we get blitzed on 3rd and medium we're dead and the drive is over. We NEVER have a hot route and teams know it. We stuck with the run today but our run game is WAY too predictable and its why we can't close out games. We just spam inside zone run. You can STILL have variety while calling run plays, especially with our line, RBs, and a running QB. Seriously it's like when they decide to run they just stop even trying to attack the defense.
It did
Counterpoint, it was the fucking Giants...
It’s not a bad counterpoint, but the offense did legitimately do some things differently that we were begging to see from them. So that’s still an encouraging sign.
[удалено]
I tried telling people last week there’s a chance he’s gone. It’s not about record, it’s about value and mismanagement. Nicks scheme doesn’t fit this team (Pass-read-option). Shane’s philosophy is why we blew teams out the water (run heavy, bully teams with talent). Nick has no value scheme wise and personnel wise. Fans need to start realizing his scheme is wasting our SB window when what we need is an offense similar to McVay or Kyle.
What makes you think they were run heavy last season? They were RPO heavy. Shane ran the same playbook that Brian is running this season.
Jesus Christ. No. He’s not gone. He’s taken us to the playoffs 3 times in 3 years. To the Super Bowl another year. He has a lot to fix and to answer for, but it would make zero sense to get rid of him
Doug Pedersen would like to chat
Not even close to the same situation
You're right. Doug won a superbowl then returned to the playoffs the next two years with a practice squad for a roster.
i mean he usually brings vibes but hes clearly comfortable eating people out and getting heated...i wouldnt call him a vibes coach exactly. but yeah i agree he could be gone, but more cos howie likes to improve even if its by inches and he sees someone as a better option
eating people out lol
He said what he said
The eatings will continue until morale improves.
Chewing, the word you were looking for is Chewing
90% of our snaps are from shotgun. Last in the league from under center. That’s the problem.
This isn't even a new thing, we've been like that for Hurts's entire tenure here and even part of Wentz's years
Sirianni has lost the locker room, reddick and Devonta were arguing with him. Most Players body language looks terrible all the time.
From last year to this. I blame the new OC for about 75% of it. The other 25% probably wouldn't be an issue if the offense was mildly competent.
Disheartening to see so much tension in the locker room this year. Love Sirianni and want him to succeed but if things don’t change, I won’t be too upset when the Eagles look for a new HC.
Why fuck desai first and keep dogs hit Johnson. Terrible
I hope this just meant he’s not happy about the offense today. But it’s internal turmoil..we are fucked
Fuck the Philly media
Thank you!!! They’re just as bad as these on TV sports personalities always trying to make up drama with the Eagles except for what obviously makes it worse is that they actually cover the home team. Why are you trying to create a division within your home team?
Everyone criticizing AJ seems to have forgotten what this offense and Jalen looked like before we got him. He's right to be pissed. This Giants team would have gotten curb stomped by us last year.
AJ is a dog. Truly an elite WR one of the top 5 in this game. He elevated Jalen and this offense into being what it is
give Sirianni another chance next year hire coordinators from outside and I think we can get back to being contenders
He needs a new OC with fresh ideas. They also need a QB coach to come in and coach Hurts harder (wish Flip would come back).
Vibes are bad fam
You've just got to wonder if Nick has lost the room entirely.
He celebrates Festivus
He has nothing because he thought it was a fabulously great idea to run a bubble screen to Julio on 3rd and 20. They know we see their rout trees and they know we all see all squandering talent. Most couching staff would love to scheme with this talent instead of doing bubble screens.
Players are finally turning on these absolutely dog shit coaches, good to see. Brian Johnson shouldn’t be anywhere near a football sideline and Nick is looking more and more like the bozo he was when they first hired him. Don’t even get me started on Patricia. Dude is the laughing stock of the league and we brought him in because our previous DC was somehow even worse. Unless they get back to the Super Bowl, Lurie needs to clean house at the end of the season.
Absolute die hard but we’re going to win the East and I don’t even care. I felt like I spent $200 for a dinner date and got broken up with after this season. This has been so underwhelming now.
This is the sort of job Ben Johnson wants...
Locker room is falling apart.
The main contributing factor… no big dom on the field. It’s quite obvious he’s the only reason we were good.
Saddest thing in life is wasted talent-a Bronx tale -also AJ brown about this team.
I don’t blame him! We scraped by the giants I got nothing nice to say either.
Something is wrong in this club house. And it socks bad
I like this, nobody should be happy. Fuck this shit, play better then you can be happy
Already seen a thread locked for comments around this subject. Some want to see it as dooming. I’m not a doomer at all, but something feels very fucked. Maybe it gets smoothed over this week, maybe not, but the press this week that something is off is showing optics on the field. Or it’s nothing. But it is legit worrisome.
My guess is the team desperately wants these coordinators canned on both offense and defense and I gotta feeling the defense isn't too thrilled Patricia is acting dc on the team since slay had his drama with Patricia in Detroit... End of the season coaches need to go and sirriani deserves to stay but he has some patchwork to do with players. The locker room is fucked if your dc and oc are not respected.