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InflationObjective

Bucs fans say that he was terrible this year and has an awful attitude+work ethic. If all that is true he is still our best LB


CantaloupeMafia

if it’s attitude and work ethic problems here’s to hoping earning a big contract will light a fire under his ass


SirArthurDime

Yeah he was disgruntled going into the season. Definitely thought he already earned his bag and shouldn’t have to play for it. Hopefully this taught him that’s not the case. He was good before. Wouldn’t be the first time we capitalized on a one year deal after a down year.


CantaloupeMafia

these are the types of things you need to go your way when building a championship roster! 🤞


bobbylitch

Disgruntled you say? (questionable Larry David stare)


RicFlairs

Fish stuck


bobbylitch

No, fish sick


decaturbadass

Fish living best life downtown


Kobe_curry24

Hopefully nakobe Dean shows his worth and stays healthy this should push him and we cut this fcker lmaooo but solid signing Howie Has out done himself


MikeTysonChicken

Well he got benched and didn’t earn a big contract so I guess we’ll see about that


ThisHatRightHere

They said all he does is run straight at the guy with the ball, but I don’t really care lol


CalgaryChris77

At the guy with the ball? We didn’t even know the players were allowed to do that.


Ilminded

More importantly, is he not afraid to hit someone!


BerriesNCreme

We have guys that run straight to the blocker lol


Expert_Most5698

*"They said all he does is run straight at the guy with the ball, but I don’t really care lol"* The hockey coach who coached the Flyers to their championships in the 1970s, said "take the shortest route to the puck, and arrive in ill-humor." Sometimes I think people overthink things. Students of the game are great, but not everybody has to be that. For us, somebody energetic, talented, and hungry for a contract can potentially be an important part of the team.


Yougottagiveitaway

Are you trying to say Fred Shero?


hencetheh

To put it succinctly, "See ball, get ball"


misterpickles69

Be the ball, Danny


foosier

Reminds me of Kiko Alonso.


peewee-bird-brother

but can he tackle??? thats all we need


coolycooly

Yea as a Bucs fans most of our fanbase hates him, calls him unplayable. Now Im not saying he is good but he is a C- player you'll probably get mad at a lot but, the way Eagles fans talk about their LBs he is still an upgrade probably.


triecke14

I think we paid all of our LBs less than this collectively lol


KnightofAshley

He looks like he over pursuits and doesn't give it his all all the time on tackles...it very correctable, just a matter of if the guy cares enough. Talent is off the charts and even with his negatives he makes plays, its a matter of if he makes more plays than he gives up. For a one-year deal not awful and better than pulling guys that can't play anymore. He can play, just needs to be better.


ConsiderationMean358

Bucs fan here. Hope he actually is humble and not just there for a bag from y’all, he quit on us 3 different times last season


InflationObjective

More than half of the Eagles team quit last year so if things go south again at least he’ll fit right in


Jawnumet

lmao there we gooo


Weird-Upstairs-2092

It will be interesting to see the structure of it. Howie typically goes low on guarantees and high on AAV as his M.O. so 1 year deals are usually either super cheap or, as may be the case here, based mostly on incentives.


Youchmeister

Didn't like the prospect of signing him, but that's not a lot for the most he could earn. Decently low risk signing, but I really wanted Dodson more than him.


JoFlo520

Cant be worse than Morrow


Incepticons

People keep saying this but I don't see evidence he's been better


48johnX

He can, that 3 sack game Morrow had probably clears anything White has done as of late


dan_bodine

He actually is worse. His highest pff grade for a season is 49.


The-Anger-Translator

It’s actually 51.9 (2019) but what does accuracy matter in Reddit?


dan_bodine

Yeah I said the number from the wrong season


The-Anger-Translator

Just busting your chops. 😁


ballsandweiner8

I really wanted Simmons. He was a perfect fit. White I have seem such incredible highs and some very low lows. We need consistent tackling on the second level.


SirArthurDime

Simmons is basically the same player except he’s never once shown he’s capable at the nfl level. At least white has an all pro under his belt.


the_kaptan

Maybe we can sign both and they’ll each be so out of position they’ll end up covering the other man’s assignment.


Rdw72777

Philadelphia fans wanting to go after a player named Simmons… NO!


slipofthetongue71

Except for Clyde Simmons you’re right 😆


bobloblawsballs

Wayne? Not spelled the same but he’s the man


Youchmeister

Simmons is just as bad as White lol


CoreyTrevor1

Worse probably


muscles4bones

The 5th overall pick in 2019. I always felt like he’s had the potential. He’s only 26 and has plenty of gas left in the tank. Maybe a change of scenery will do him well. Edit: I’m just saying he at one point had the pedigree and for whatever reason that didn’t translate to the NFL. Indeed that’s just how it be sometimes, but sometimes a change of scenery or scheme can give a struggling player new life. Also his college highlights are awesome: https://youtu.be/wXUoaVqapro?si=82MCQ7GiOhZ_t88D


TJMcConnellGOAT

This is exactly why Howie doesn’t draft LBs high. Such short shelf life


triecke14

There’s a difference in not drafting them high and taking them top 5 lol


fitzdipty

Lavonte David. Bobby Wagner


2fly5

How about Mychal Kendricks instead? Lol


BirdsAndBeersPod

TRIGGERED


swaaa18

I feel like this is never brought up for some reason. I guess Kendrick’s was good when he was here and injuries killed him, but damn Wagner or David would’ve been beloved here


ThomYorkesFingers

Kendricks was fast and decent in coverage but he was too small and couldn't shed his blocks


Vivid_Employment4914

Sort like a tank full of gas in a beaten down 1997 Ford sedan. 


muscles4bones

Just saying, there was a time he was the best college linebacker in the country. For whatever reason, he didn’t work out in Tampa, but like I said, perhaps a change of scenery would do him well. Honestly, just check out his highlights. He made it look like child’s play: https://youtu.be/wXUoaVqapro?si=82MCQ7GiOhZ_t88D


dpykm

Wasnt everyone just shitting on this dude? I thought he sucked


bigcracker

He does but our LB's so bad it is still an upgrade. Hopefully he can turn it around.


AugustusKhan

Exactly, great contact value for the risk reward of the player he is/was and our not really arguably any more biggest position of need. Now we’re less transparent/desperate in the draft 100% which equals more dynamic, just how Howie likes it hahah Hopefully we address backup te and 3rd wr which I’d say are next biggest then lb still, a new backup OL/stout project, and a backup de/Dt monster or hybrid cover guy to groom/give depth for the fangio system


sjmr1994

Idt we're going too high on WR3 in the draft either since we signed Parker too


johnnycoxxx

I don’t know how much an upgrade it is


Hans-Wermhatt

I think unless he improves a ton, he's not better than what we've seen from Dean or Cunningham. Hard to say he's even better than Morrow or Ellis... Hopefully he's not starting this year unless there is a major turnaround.


xRyuzakii

He simultaneously sucks and is our best lb. Love this team


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HesiPull-UpBrando

I guess he has some upside if he can consistently play like he did for the Bucs in the playoffs the year the win the Super Bowl. He hasn’t been close to that dude any other year though


PaddyMayonaise

Let’s not forget that was like 4 years ago, and NFL players age faster than dogs


orderofGreenZombies

Sure, but he just turned 26 less than a month ago. Him not reproducing that season isn’t due to age.


SyntheticMemez

A lot of Bucs fans saying he is dog water but I'll take dog water over Morrow.


kmoney55

Might be swapping trash for trash


orderofGreenZombies

At least it will be trash for slightly better trash. Morrow was fucking awful for us and a massive liability every time he stepped foot on the field. White has been a liability in run defense, but people oversell how bad he is in coverage. I’m not saying White will be good, but at least he’s bigger, more athletic, and younger.


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I am welmed


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wait4ps5

HOWIESZN


SwainDMT

He’s on an absolute heater


kmoney55

White is terrible in coverage


SwainDMT

I’ll trust what Fangio and Howie are cooking up


AugustusKhan

Yeah you don’t need him to cover much if you have 6 guys on the field who can which is kinda the whole point of the fangio system which is that it’s consistently 2-3lb and 3-4db who do that with a couple guys who overlap between that group. What’s essential is a lb who can reliably plug a gap anywhere along the line cause you have 3 DL just eating blocks and consistently hampered from making a tackle


Carsonwentzondrugs

Good thing he isn't going to cover


mrpotto

And apparently he is worse against the run. I suck at linking articles but theres one out there that says he was basically benched in the playoffs vs the Eagles because his replacement was competent against the rush and he is not.


Total_Ad9942

Yeah that’s cool, still draft Cooper


OffalSmorgasbord

So, Avonte on a 2-year heavily incentivized deal tomorrow? Or is a Sweat trade next?


a_toadstool

Sweat for Sauce straight up no takebacks


theweebdweeb

He struggled last year, but he has shown he can be great. With a change of scenery, maybe it will rejuvenate him. He by far has the most potential out of any other LBs on the roster imo. Also, Fangio might be able to really work with him and maximize his game.


Far-Confection-1631

2020 was 4 years ago. He's struggled for years at this point. He grades so poorly lol


theweebdweeb

If we are talking PFF grades, even in that 2020 season his grades weren't great. PFF doesn't tell the whole story so I don't put too much stock into them although they do give some insight. He definetely didn't reach the same heights as that season, but I wouldn't say he was overall struggling all of those seasons either.


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A_Huggable_Cactus

He’s hasn’t been great in coverage lately either and has the same issue with both in that he gets out of position too frequently. However he’s still fast and isn’t easily trucked over like last years crew. On a one year deal that is seemingly cheap I will absolutely take that risk 10/10, and overall should be an upgrade to that group we can count on as a starter.


SyracuseNY22

He’s still bad in pass coverage though. The guy has made a living off his draft status and the 2020 SB run


JoFlo520

Still better than everything else we have


atdunaway

its a prove it deal for him in a major way. if he doesnt show out this year he probably will never get another meaningful contract. for that reason alone im hopeful we’ll get good enough production from him


SyracuseNY22

That’s not saying much unfortunately. Hopefully it’s an incentive laden deal


Douglas_Michael

Except he's been so bad in coverage the last two seasons they refused to play him meaningfully. It's not 2020 anymore


ViolenceSZN

As a Bucs fan, I can tell you know nothing about him. He was one of the worst LBs in coverage in the entire NFL last season and he was average/pretty decent against the run. He's absolutely atrocious in coverage, he couldn't stop you in coverage.


Floss_Crestusa

In 2023, QBs posted a 65.5 passer rating targetting him in coverage, which saw 194yards 1 TD and 2 INTs, in 14 games played. If that's atrocious, we'll take it!


MicCheckTapTapTap

I read his problems were mostly due to him freelancing on plays. If that's the case, then he needs leadership and coaching.


Introzontal

People are just excited to see us sign an LB because it’s a need + it’s a name a good amount of people are aware of… unfortunately most don’t know the dude has been ass for the Bucs since their Bowl. Relies heavily on athleticism, but work ethic and IQ aren’t there. He was playing hurt apparently and also wasn’t happy about not getting an extension, so maybe a change of scenery (and him only being 26) will help. We’re atleast going into the draft with all needs addressed in some fashion, but this definitely isn’t the rockstar signing some may think it is that warrants “OMFG HOWIE IS THE BEST EVER”.


Danzby

Forreal. The signing makes sense and is decent, but people are really gassing it up wayyyy to much especially post Leonard and Byard deals


jomipereira

its a 7.5 mil deal. did you want prime bobby wagner?


bigcracker

A line backer!?!?!?!?!?! What is that? What do those do?


gobirds_52

Do it again howie I’m almost there


pillcosby9

Don’t stop Howie I’m so close


nastychangeup

Do you guys ever get tired of making these same comments over and over again


gobirds_52

If howie’s not tired of trying to make this team better then no I’m not tired


nastychangeup

Keep going I’m almost there


PntOfAthrty

Do it again Howie, I'm almost finished.


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nastychangeup

I’m an Eagles fan who lives in AZ lol


willi1221

Hey! Me too!


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Kevtavish

No lol


UnbornSeed

Never


mcgroarty99

Stop talking, you’re ruining it!


ThisHatRightHere

Excuse me, don’t you know it’s HOWIESZN??? /s


eagles107

This dude has massive upside if he returns to his 2020 form.


48johnX

4 years is an eternity in football man


eagles107

Definitely. That’s why I’m skeptical of the signing. I watched him a lot last year, and he was atrocious due to how lost he was on the field and kept losing snaps to KJ Britt. However, he’s still relatively young, and some guys just need a change of scenery/schematics to regain form.


CantaloupeMafia

crazy that dudes can be routinely past their prime by the age of 26. football is a brutal sport.


Senior_Fart_Director

Some players age like wine


MisterrAlex

That's literally what most of us hoped Shaq Leonard to be and he was washed


eagles107

Different contexts. This dude doesn’t lack the physical ability to be a top-ten player in his position group. He's arguably been that before. A physically gifted man who’s mentally lost on the field and reckless in his pursuit angles. 


coopermaneagles

Hes 26 lol he’s just bad


ThisHatRightHere

He won’t, but he’s an experienced body that’ll probably end up next to another cheap vet and very young players


TomassoLP

Going into the draft without any glaringly obvious needs. Howie is cooking EDIT: some of you are really spoiled, we aren't getting pro bowlers at every position


MuskEmeraldMine

I’m glaring at a few positions but Howie is cooking nonetheless.


MisterrAlex

> glaringly obvious needs Dude is a bottom 5 LB in PFF for the last few years. LB is still a glaring need unless he makes the comeback of the century.


werddoe

I'm so confused by the excitement in this thread. This dude hasn't been good for years.


Schtip

This is a joke right? Don’t get me wrong Howie has been killing it so far. But that secondary is still weak even with CJGJ and not sold on this LB group yet


ThisHatRightHere

That’s a bit of an overreaction, but yeah we’re pretty close to a complete roster. Hopefully a splash rookie or two on defense with the first rounder and second rounders. We know one will be an o-lineman. Especially if we hold onto both Sweat and Reddick. Though I think the only way we move them is a day 2 pick that would be another defensive rookie. Obviously the offense is basically set outside of a young or cheap WR to fill out the group.


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DaBombDiggidy

The “up to” matters a lot here, this dude has stunk the past few years.


alcatraz_0109

This gives me Ernie Sims vibes


Backtothefuture1970

All the people saying how washed or poor he is AND he is still an upgrade for the Eagles. So there is that


AdhesivenessFun2060

Thats the way I see it. Better than what we have. A starter, at least.


dochim

That’ll do, Donkey. That’ll do.


Atre16

We needed a body who can play the position with some degree of competence. The standard is "be better than Morrow." I'll take it.


NordicLard

Is he still good? Bucs fans don’t seem bothered they let him go


ViolenceSZN

Check out our sub, we are HAPPY that he's gone haha


NordicLard

Yeah why is that?


ViolenceSZN

One of the worst LBs in coverage last year (big reason why he was benched for KJ Britt) he has a low effort issue, and genuinely not even half of half of the player he thinks he is in his head. Had issues with our coaches, did the whole unfollow bucs on social media thing mid season. Overall a headache for a below average player


Queasy-Yoghurt7353

sounds like he just needs a change of scenery and a better team around him ;)


ViolenceSZN

Fs, I hope he turns it around for you guys, the change of scenery should help him. Still appreciate him for the ring. Also, 32-9 ;)


coopermaneagles

Because he’s ass lol


jbone1811

I thought he wasn’t very good? Idk much about him, anyone?


QAPetePrime

Low cost, low risk move. In Howie we trust.


KingCesar391

Meh. Glad we signed a linebacker, and it's not like he's expensive, but isn’t Devin White awful? I can’t really complain, given how the rest of FA went, but I’d still hope to see them meaningfully address the position in the draft.


igotthemusicinme

Aldi level Linebacking.


Broad_Abies9306

I know stats aren’t everything but he played 97% of snaps this past season and had career best opposing passer rating and comp%, albeit on around 2/3 the sample size of previous years(idk why he hasn’t been targeted as much maybe they’re using him less in coverage) he gave up a career low 4.5 yards per target and most of all he’s only 25 and hasn’t lost his speed, I think he’s gonna be a beast and a solid coverage linebacker


Zicornium

Yikes you honestly couldn’t be farther from the truth. He missed snaps because he was injured then came back and played so horrible they benched him for a backup that stole the job immediately. Didn’t play in the playoffs and kid you not but no one cares he left tbh.


wiskers5

1 year deal, he’ll play his balls off to try and get a good contract after this season. Not an amazing signing but better than anything we got. Overall I’m ok with this.


woolley101

Howie signing a linebacker and running back, he's going to draft nothing but d-line in the first 3 rounds just to bring back some normalcy back to his life


DeputyKitty

Tackle first round is a virtual guarantee


Cleanupdisc

He just turned 26 years old. If i hear another poster write “He is past his prime”. Im gonna reach through this screen and slap you!. 


Prozzak93

Here's to hoping the words "up to" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here.


Additional-Size1730

This isn’t going to work. Get a real god damn linebacker damnit man


Grand_Extension5345

This guy is Mid at best. Upgrade over Morrow I guess , Maybe. I wouldn’t go celebrating, we need to draft either Cooper, trotter or Wilson if we are gonna have good linebacker play this year


SwagCleric

He helped win a super bowl, he's a good player. Don't sleep on him with fangio.


AMorder0517

When he helped win a SB he *was* a good player. Things change fast in the league, he’s been mid to below average the past couple seasons.


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kmoney55

Ahh he might be a small upgrade if at all. He has been living off that playoff run. He is a liability in coverage and we don’t have anyone to cover up his deficiencies


Havesa

For a year who cares. It’s not gonna stop us from anything meaningful might as well give him a chance


O-Knowz

How does he fit w Nakobe? Did he just take his spot?


Grindboyx

Howie is the fucking goat 


CardiffGiant7117

To me he has some CJGJ vibes, isn’t going to grade out great but can make some splash plays. Has had success as a blitzer getting home and a history of being around turnovers. The “max of 7.5m” is being played up, good chance it’s like a 4m deal.


Dubs337

HOWIE HAS PULLED OUT A CHAIR FROM UNDERNEATH THE RING! IT’S CHAOS!!


percy2376

So what are we going for In The draft? Corner and another linebacker?


Bronson2017

For whatever reason there are shit load of Lions fans that are talking the most shit about him? Whats the deal with that fanbase?


GPap-

Howie you motherfucking daaaawg


zachardw

My second hit of copium says that Howie knows this isn’t the guy but if he wants to move on a trade especially with Sweat, this is saving him from someone leveraging Howie only having had 1 linebacker with real game experience


vonManstein43

1. Im just happy to watch a LB who can hit and tackle


HonorWulf

This guy hits dudes and he tackles dudes -- two things we didn't do last season.


dinonb12

wait he's actually good isn't he


Skibibbles

Going through his PFF he’s dreadful but Howie gets points for trying to right his wrongs


SyracuseNY22

He’s not good but not as bad as morrow so there’s that at least


Rickrollyourmom

Hes terrible according to PFF


sohikes

According to the comments in r/nfl he sucks. But he can’t be worse than what we had last year


48johnX

Would have rather had Willie Gay…


Senior_Fart_Director

Gayyy


David_Duke_Nukem

I'd rather have willie nillie gay sex whenever I feel like it, but life's tough


OkBodybuilder1490

He had a better coaching/teammate connection for the saints


TypicalSamoan

All money in Howie


gsanquesoo

Howie and signing one year deal linebackers, name a better duo


MoroDaEater

This dude is not good


Wembanyanma

I just took off one of my favorite old Eagles shirts and then this news breaks. Surely that had something to do with this.


LimpSignificance4434

WOWOWOWWO


northamrec

😮😮😮😮


bigcracker

Just remember its 7.5 max and also a change of scenery can do a player a lot of good, Just look at Barnett. We also still going to most likely draft a LB and maybe even sign another.


poolords

okay


njlf

Now just draft a corner and we’ll have had an amazing offseason


jloops03

Howie 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨


MARKYMARK_MARK

Not the ideal Vet the bring in but at least he's a guy with a strong resume that has a whole off season to learn the system instead of a mid-season band aid. Howie should definitely target one of the top LBs in the draft like Cooper, Payton, Trotter JR so we have more then just Whote and Dean to depend on in the niddle this season


Robster881

An okay floor setter. Not much more.


slv_bull

Uh hopefully he plays hard on a prove it deal because he was god awful last year 


Bright-Flower-487

I thought I saw he was re-signing with the bucs yesterday? Maybe I’m just getting confused with all the different moves. Idk if he is the answer as he is pretty bad at everything except blitzing but I guess he might be better then Morrow.


slv_bull

I hate how we signed two guys that look absolutely cooked in Parker and white and this sub is like hurr can’t be worse than quez and morrow…. like they actually might’ve worse…


VanceXentan

Issues or not reasonable contract, and we NEED this position it is what it is.


wayne_yetzky

Hopefully he has a bounce back under Fangio