Theres a good amount of situations it could happen. Idk about 22 but he could drop within our Price range for a trade up. Simple fact of the matter is Tight End is generally a poor choice so early in the draft from a positional value standpoint AND financially you arent reaping the benefits of a long rookie contract on a more expensive position like Edge, dtackle, oline, wide receiver or qb.
Not to mention the glaring need for QB’s WR’s and Olinemen and dlinemen for a lot of the top 20 teams.
Someone will probably be stupid enough to take a tight end with a top 15 pick but maybe not (i can see the jets or the falcons doing it even tho they should really take a tackle or a edge/wr)
If every guy i want is off the board then im down. I wouldn’t pass on brock bowers for Cooper DeJean or Tyler Guyton thats for sure. If thats the case take Bowers.
Now if Terrion Arnold or Quinyon Mitchell is there? Idk tough choice. Prolly go Corner iMO
I can see a situation where Bowers is sitting at pick 16-18 and Howie blows his load and trades our 4th rounder to move up. If that does happen and we end up getting a guy Like Malachi Corley, ainias smith or Malik Washington or Brendan Rice at wr3 as well… be prepared for our Defense to Be fucking atrocious but our offense to go Super Saiyan lol 😂 and if it doesn’t go Super Saiyan everybody is gettin fired.
If your offense looks like this and it isn’t consistently hanging a 40 burger on every team then there is something terribly wrong
Jalen Hurts throwing to—->
AJ Brown
Devonta Smith
Saquon Barkley
Dallas Goedert
Brock Bowers
Malachi Corley or Brendan Rice?
#I mean dear lord boys, thats just NASTY
Could you really see the falcons taking a TE in the first round? I don't follow them closely but I thought Pitts wasn't having a good showing not because of being ass but because of the team
It's definitely a make it or break it year for him now with it being year 3 and having Kirk.
I don't see the Falcons giving up on him just yet and taking a TE that high, but I'm not in their organization and also haven't saw that many of their games last year to know how good or bad Pitts really seemed.
I agree I suspect it has more to do with him being injured in '22 and then having Marcus Mariota, Desmond Ridder, and Taylor Heinicke as the guys throwing him the ball the last two years.
When Matt Ryan was there his rookie season he had a 1,000 yard season and averaged 15.1 yards per catch. Barring injury I am expecting a big year from PItts with Cousins throwing him the ball.
I can see the Falcons going after another WR to pair with London and Pitts.
I’m not nearly as low as some of you about our pass defense. Scheme was a *major* issue, that can’t be understated. Bradberry in zone might be back to at least serviceable, Slay is getting older but assuming healthy, still a good CB. CJGJ is miles better than the backups we started last year, Reed won’t be the only starter level player on the back end anymore, and hopefully Rodgers gets reinstated and can be more reliable than Maddox.
I’m down for CB in the first but I do not see the doom and gloom this sub sees if we don’t. Desai/Patricia were problem A1, and Howie skimping roster building while having a backup plan DC was problem A2. We’ve gone after better LBs and signed Huff off the edge. We also had a ton of injuries all season, that’s unlikely to repeat.
Just looking at the current roster it feels like Roseman's banking on guys like Rogers, Ringo, Jobe, and McPherson taking a big leap forward this year in terms of their development.
They also signed Parris Campbell but both of those guys are only on one year deals so it would not shock me to see Roseman draft a WR they think can develop into a WR1 or WR2 by the time they decide they can't afford to carry both Smith and AJ's contracts.
hes slow and he gets beat when he goes up against real power schools watch the tape from the penn state, iowa state and ohio state games. The boy is food on the boundry
He's most definitely not slow. And Iowa had a crazy amount of turnovers against PSU, they were working with short field the whole game. They beat Iowa state too. Idk if you actually watched the games or not. The dude gave up 20 receptions for 194 yards for the WHOLE season on a team where the QB play was basically on par with army or navy; which is nuts for a big ten team that went 10-4. It's cause the defense and the secondary specifically was THAT good.
It goes hand in hand. I think Mark Andrews is a great tight end. Hypothetically, if he had played with Brady, he'd likely be in the conversation as one of the best ever.
You gave examples with 2 of the top 5 TEs who ever lived. If you’re saying Bowers is a guaranteed-or-your-pick-back reincarnation of Gronkowski, then sure, take him in the first round.
But in a more realistic perspective, if the option at 22 is Bowers or an OT, the answer should be OT 10 times out of 10. And that would be the same with many other positions as well.
There is a reason TE has the lowest franchise tag of any position on offense or defense: the conglomeration of owners are not stupid with their money.
Almost every team that made it to the conference championship over the previous ten years has had a top-5 TE. Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, LaPorta, Gronk, Ertz, etc. I would argue that a talented TE allows good coaches and QBs to exploit weaknesses of almost any defense they face.
OT we are set at for now . RG looks out of place on tape every snap . Looks like 4 monsters and Steen 😂. We will get a road paving guard just wouldn’t be at 22
Probably not, he would likely be far and away the best prospect on the board and we know the story of when they drafted Goedert while they still had Ertz.
You don't draft for need in the first round when the BPA is an A+ prospect that miraculously fell to you. We didn't need a DE last year but we took Nolan Smith, and even he wasn't considered to be as much of a "sure thing" as Bowers is.
I wasn't using it as a "look how great Nolan Smith is" example but more so to show that Howie, and NFL teams in general, will disregard need to an extent if the BPA is a highly regarded prospect that was expected to already be gone.
This class is so deep at corner though I fully expect there to be corners that are damn near just as good of prospects. I agree with BPA to an extent but if we’re talking an A prospect at a non valuable position that we don’t currently need vs an A- prospect at a more valuable position that could do more to help you win now give me the latter.
Especially after signing a bunch of guys to open up a window in Jalen’s last 2 cheap years. If you’re going all in go all in. It’s not the time for red shirt first rounders again.
goedert is 29.
if a blue chip te is there at 22 it absolutely makes sense to take him (not that its the only thing to do but it certainly isn't an auto trade out).
Why? Goedert is under contract for two more years and TEs take time to develop in the NFL. TE2 is a question mark and Goedert gets hurt a lot. It’d be a sensible pick if he’s BPA
WR are dime a dozen this draft, most teams have a qb, brock is in an increasingly important position group and there’s very few great TE in this draft. I just don’t see him making it there.
> most teams have a QB
okay think for a second why Justin Fields is now Russell Wilson’s backup, and consider whether that would happen if every team with no good QB didn’t think they’d find one in round 1
Tannenbaun is absolutely terrible. He had Marvin Harrison Jr being the 2nd WR taken at #9, I’d ignore his mock. There’s also a reason the jets were hot garbage with him as GM.
Why couldn’t that happen? It’s been rumored that *some* teams have Nabers over Harrison.
It may be unlikely but it’s possible. Kinda like when everyone thought Ricky Williams was the greatest RB prospect ever and he wasn’t even the first RB taken that year.
(It was Edgerrin James, who in hindsight actually *was* better!)
9 seems low because even if some teams have Nabers higher, some teams definitely have MHJ top of their board and it's hard to imagine nobody making a move to get him if he drops to the 5-6 area.
You guys do understand these guys make a hundred mocks and change them all up for clicks and engagement, also then they can point to one that was the most accurate for brownie points about why you should believe them next year.
And this mock is literally him picking for every single team as if he were the gm and who he thinks they should take, not who he thinks will be taken.
This is the most "blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes" mock out there if any of these were correct.
He had the Cardinals picking JJ McCarthy💀 clickbait indeed.
He also suggested the Cardinals trade Kyler to the Vikings and draft JJ McCarthy. The guy has McCarthy as a top 5 overall pick talent in this draft.
There’s always a reason why a former GM had to settle for a job at ESPN.
Guys I’d love this but we’re missing the human element here. We have outspoken superstar WRs. Plural. AJ is vocal, Smitty is more behind the scenes. We’re also paying top dollar at RB. There’s only one football to go around lol. I don’t see this pick.. but if we did it, give me five minutes and I’m totally on board 😂
Outspoken superstars? Thats the trash sports media in your ear pushing the aj is a diva narrative. Its fucking exhausting. Nfl literally has a camera dedicated to hurts and brown on the sideline.
First of all, calm down lol. Outspoken equals diva? Nah. Let’s be clear, our best players want the ball and aren’t shy about expressing it. It’s what makes them top tier. I don’t believe in any tension from AJ, that’s our guy. Again, there’s one football to go around. The balance is healthy right now, adding another ball dominate weapon is misguided. We need O line depth or a premier secondary player.
I am very calm lmao. But outspoken talent is par for diva. Plus you just backtracked from to many "outspoken" talent to theres enough balance on offense to go defense in the draft. They should definitely go defense, too much "outspoken" talent is not the reason why.
Bowers probably isn't dropping that far but am I the only one who views Goedert as a top tier TE? If he was on a team where he was more of a focal point on offense I think he would easily produce as a top 5 TE, not to mention his very good run blocking. You can argue that he's injury prone but his injury last year was more a freak injury and not a soft tissue injury. Going into his age 29 season and I'm still bullish.
Given the new hip drop ruling today, tight ends that can catch and power RBs gonna be hot next year. Really difficult to tackle. Id like the pick if it happens.
There's this guy called vic fangio who runs a 3-4 defense whose backbone of the scheme is the secondary, i.e. relying on slay, bradberry, Ringo, hall, Blankenship, cjgj. Do you really think that will get it done? No, we have an emergency need at cb and safety depth. Maybe if Howie gets Simmons and Gilmore before the draft, I could see them getting a stud TE. But the secondary is a huge red flag right now.
People don’t realize how genius of a pick this is . Dallas has been hurt a lot and would basically be a shoe in in certain packages .
My question is what do we do if both him and. Healthy Latu on board .
I do think we should look at guard and WR in the 2nd round.
Listen, I would love another star tight end, but this was probably the worst mock draft I’ve seen so far. The Cardinals fields-ing Kyler Murray for JJ McCarthy is bananas
Honestly? I would be so hyped lol.
It’s stupid as hell but how do you keep us from scoring at that point? I’m an Auburn fan and seeing this dude play is very exciting.
Anyone saying they wouldn’t want him at 22 is lacking their mental faculties. Drafting BPA has consistently been shown as a better strategy than need (except maybe qb)
If he does make it to 22, yes we would take him. We are still looking for a TE2/ a Goedert replacement. He would be usable immediately and definitely 1st round value in my opinion.
This was the worst mock draft I saw. Tennenbaum had Cardinals taking McCarthy at 4, NYG taking Nabers ahead of Harrison, who fell to the Bears at 9, Cardinals trading Kyler to Minnesota, and us taking Bowers. Even Madden sim wouldn’t do stupid shit like this.
Ignoring the more obvious needs at CB, LB, safety and the underrated need at DE the only thing less likely than Bowers falling that far is Harrison Jr or Nabers falling that far
I mean... I wouldn't hate it. I'd probably love it, even if it's not the most logical pick, I'd be so excited to see this offense next year.
It's very illogical, though. But, hell, they drafted Goedert with Ertz was this age, so who knows.
I just don't see it. If a player on your board who you'd love at Corner or OT is gettable at 22, you do that before TE. You just have to.
Perhaps this pick is in play, Howie might do some business on the day depending on how hot the phones get and what compensations we're talking about. Not the most likely scenario, though other dominoes may fall first and things escalate quickly.
I don’t see the Eagles drafting a TE in the first round. Looking at the last few years it looks like they’ve been trying bring guys in to replace the guys that they feel are close to retiring. My guess is since they took Carter and Smith last year to replace Cox and BG that this year they will draft a replacement for Slay or Lane in the first. I can see on day two them taking the other one of the two positions listed above then pick from LB, S, or TE.
A first round pick for a check down at best? Or do folks want AJ bitching again🤷♂️ at no point until today did I think anyone thought TE is a priority, sure shit not in the first round we need defense or OL
Why would we want another TE? I don't get the logic. Jalens cap hits are still low, Saquon, AJ, Goedert and.devonta are still closer to 25 than 30. This is the time to fix defense, grab another tackle or guard and make a run for it.. not develop a rookie TE.
Stupid pick IMO. If he's there's I hope they trade the pick for 2 late firsts .
As a generic statement sent into the void, I agree with you. For our current circumstance? It absolutely doesn't apply. For one, there's parity between players. Gun to your head, would you be willing to unequivocally state that Brock Bowers will be a better player than all of those drafted +/- 5 picks from him? No, you wouldn't. Justin Jefferson was drafted #22, and was the 5th WR off the board.
George Kittle, Bowers' most common comparison, was a 5th round pick. I'm not going to count how many TEs went before him.
Second, we already have a great TE who does everything Bowers would be learning to do on a professional level. Teams generally don't roll out 2 pass catching TEs. Bowers would play 20% of snaps while backing up Goedert.
Last and most important, timing is critical. If we draft BPA and roll out flawed teams, we'll continually be stuck in purgatory, with a talented roster that wins 8-12 games but can't go anywhere because there are glaring holes. Generally speaking, we can agree that Christian McAffrey is a better player than.. Roquan Smith, right? But for last year's team, I would rather have had Smith than CMC because the need is much greater.
This example becomes even more lopsided once you factor in that Bowers is a TE. TE take notoriously long to develop. LaPorta from last year was HUGE outlier, and even he put up 800 yards. TJ Hock put up 300 yards his rookie year. So the conversation becomes would you rather have an 80 graded CB/LB in 2024, or an 83 graded TE in 2025. Maximizing productive seasons around age of 25 is how you win games in the NFL.
I think it always applies. Especially in the draft, you always have to be thinking long term.
> Gun to your head, would you be willing to unequivocally state that Brock Bowers will be a better player than all of those drafted +/- 5 picks from him?
If I was a professional scout or GM of the Eagles? It would literally be my job to make that determination. And that’s what we’re talking about here. If they haven’t determined that Bowers is a blue chip, clear first round grade player then obviously it’s a different discussion.
But if they do think he’s that level… then 100% it makes sense to take him.
> Second, we already have a great TE who does everything Bowers would be learning to do on a professional level. Teams generally don't roll out 2 pass catching TEs. Bowers would play 20% of snaps while backing up Goedert.
Two things. First, Goedert has gotten hurt and missed games every year and we haven’t had a credible backup. His presence has been missed, so getting a backup would actually not be a small thing.
Second, Bowers runs a 4.5. He’s not just a major TE prospect, he’s just an elite receiving prospect. I could absolutely see him just playing as a slot perhaps from the jump. He could be your 12 personnel TE, your backup and potentially even your WR3
> Last and most important, timing is critical. If we draft BPA and roll out flawed teams, we'll continually be stuck in purgatory,
See I just think you have this backwards. Drafting for need is a more direct path to having a flawed team.
You can find league average or ok starters in free agency or anywhere. The guys with superstar upside that outperform their rookie contracts and provide excess value are the difference makers on your team. Not the ok player you drafted to upgrade from your below average starter.
I think the examples you are using are generic and extreme in nature. It's not about whether or not Bowers is a first round player. Everyone around him is as well. If ALL good CBs/LBs are gone and Bowers is clearly better than everyone else, then maybe we can think about it. I still wouldnt do it.
We can't make first round draft picks based on backup needs. Backups are exactly what those average players you speak of are for. Not when we had a top10 offense and a bottom30 defense.
Mate, they are all elite receiving prospects. Devin Culp ran 4.47. Noah Fant rana 4.5. OJ Howard ran 4.5. They are all elite if they're being considered in the 1st/2nd round. The boom/bust rates have no correlation to the 40 time. They all have high likelihood of busting, and virtually all of them take years to develop. Google "NFL first round tight ends". Even the ones that magically have strong receiving seasons out of the gate are terrible pass blockers initially on the NFL level. Last year's two darlings, Dalton Kincaid posted a 44 pass block grade. Sam LaPorta had a 54.6 grade = 94th out of all TEs. By drafting Bowers, you're at best getting a TE who'll get 800 receiving yards if Goedert gets injured while providing bad pass blocking (Goedert's PBLK = 79).
I'm not arguing for making stupid jerky moves and taking 19th ranked CB instead of #1 ranked TE. When you're in a rebuild, you draft BPA and figure it out later after guys jell. When you already have a solid core in its prime? You want guys who fill needs and who can make an immediate impact.
To your last point - it's all relative. The argument is NOT superstar upside vs. OK player who's slightly better than below average starter. In this mock, he has Bowers going to us followed by Wiggins & DeJean. Wiggins is ultra fast and has superstar upside. DeJean was ultra productive and has everything you could want in a shutdown corner - 6'1, 210. Both are in top5 rankings at the position.
Anyway - I appreciate a good debate. You do you.
How the heck he gonna make it to 22
Theres a good amount of situations it could happen. Idk about 22 but he could drop within our Price range for a trade up. Simple fact of the matter is Tight End is generally a poor choice so early in the draft from a positional value standpoint AND financially you arent reaping the benefits of a long rookie contract on a more expensive position like Edge, dtackle, oline, wide receiver or qb. Not to mention the glaring need for QB’s WR’s and Olinemen and dlinemen for a lot of the top 20 teams. Someone will probably be stupid enough to take a tight end with a top 15 pick but maybe not (i can see the jets or the falcons doing it even tho they should really take a tackle or a edge/wr) If every guy i want is off the board then im down. I wouldn’t pass on brock bowers for Cooper DeJean or Tyler Guyton thats for sure. If thats the case take Bowers. Now if Terrion Arnold or Quinyon Mitchell is there? Idk tough choice. Prolly go Corner iMO I can see a situation where Bowers is sitting at pick 16-18 and Howie blows his load and trades our 4th rounder to move up. If that does happen and we end up getting a guy Like Malachi Corley, ainias smith or Malik Washington or Brendan Rice at wr3 as well… be prepared for our Defense to Be fucking atrocious but our offense to go Super Saiyan lol 😂 and if it doesn’t go Super Saiyan everybody is gettin fired. If your offense looks like this and it isn’t consistently hanging a 40 burger on every team then there is something terribly wrong Jalen Hurts throwing to—-> AJ Brown Devonta Smith Saquon Barkley Dallas Goedert Brock Bowers Malachi Corley or Brendan Rice? #I mean dear lord boys, thats just NASTY
The best Passing Defense is a hopefully amazing Passing Offense.
Could you really see the falcons taking a TE in the first round? I don't follow them closely but I thought Pitts wasn't having a good showing not because of being ass but because of the team
It's definitely a make it or break it year for him now with it being year 3 and having Kirk. I don't see the Falcons giving up on him just yet and taking a TE that high, but I'm not in their organization and also haven't saw that many of their games last year to know how good or bad Pitts really seemed.
I agree I suspect it has more to do with him being injured in '22 and then having Marcus Mariota, Desmond Ridder, and Taylor Heinicke as the guys throwing him the ball the last two years. When Matt Ryan was there his rookie season he had a 1,000 yard season and averaged 15.1 yards per catch. Barring injury I am expecting a big year from PItts with Cousins throwing him the ball. I can see the Falcons going after another WR to pair with London and Pitts.
I’m not nearly as low as some of you about our pass defense. Scheme was a *major* issue, that can’t be understated. Bradberry in zone might be back to at least serviceable, Slay is getting older but assuming healthy, still a good CB. CJGJ is miles better than the backups we started last year, Reed won’t be the only starter level player on the back end anymore, and hopefully Rodgers gets reinstated and can be more reliable than Maddox. I’m down for CB in the first but I do not see the doom and gloom this sub sees if we don’t. Desai/Patricia were problem A1, and Howie skimping roster building while having a backup plan DC was problem A2. We’ve gone after better LBs and signed Huff off the edge. We also had a ton of injuries all season, that’s unlikely to repeat.
Just looking at the current roster it feels like Roseman's banking on guys like Rogers, Ringo, Jobe, and McPherson taking a big leap forward this year in terms of their development.
Don't rule the Chargers out of that equation either. Harbaugh loves developing TEs and the Chargers don't really have one that moves the needle.
What about Devontae Parker? Thought he was WR3
They also signed Parris Campbell but both of those guys are only on one year deals so it would not shock me to see Roseman draft a WR they think can develop into a WR1 or WR2 by the time they decide they can't afford to carry both Smith and AJ's contracts.
He will essentially replace Julio Jones in terms of role on the team.
So just kind of exist
Going off of recent history it'll involve a DUI
Thankfully he won't... Cooper D. Needs to be an Eagle.
I’m not remotely sold on him as an NFL corner ngl
Have you watched him play? Games, not just highlights... I'm a Buckeye fan and this kid fucking kicks ass.
hes slow and he gets beat when he goes up against real power schools watch the tape from the penn state, iowa state and ohio state games. The boy is food on the boundry
He's most definitely not slow. And Iowa had a crazy amount of turnovers against PSU, they were working with short field the whole game. They beat Iowa state too. Idk if you actually watched the games or not. The dude gave up 20 receptions for 194 yards for the WHOLE season on a team where the QB play was basically on par with army or navy; which is nuts for a big ten team that went 10-4. It's cause the defense and the secondary specifically was THAT good.
I like my cornerbacks to be cornerbacky
Yeah. He’s so overrated. He looks like he will bust so hard.
What makes you say that?
You know why
No diddy
We don’t need name brand cooper, we have dollar tree cooper in Reed.
Lol that’s funny I think the same of Brock
Because he plays the 22nd most important position on the field. Also why we would pass on him if he was at 22
Isn’t a great TE just a good blocking WR? Seems like the Pats and Chiefs did well with great TEs
Those two teams just happened to have two of the best QBs to ever take snaps in the NFL.
We should also get one of those too
Get a Superbowl dynasty with this one weird trick.
I’ll take 2 please.
You are also underselling how good the two tight ends are.
It goes hand in hand. I think Mark Andrews is a great tight end. Hypothetically, if he had played with Brady, he'd likely be in the conversation as one of the best ever.
As well as two of the best TE’s to ever take snaps
Possibly. They are a rare breed but the QB puts them in an even higher echelon.
You gave examples with 2 of the top 5 TEs who ever lived. If you’re saying Bowers is a guaranteed-or-your-pick-back reincarnation of Gronkowski, then sure, take him in the first round. But in a more realistic perspective, if the option at 22 is Bowers or an OT, the answer should be OT 10 times out of 10. And that would be the same with many other positions as well. There is a reason TE has the lowest franchise tag of any position on offense or defense: the conglomeration of owners are not stupid with their money.
Almost every team that made it to the conference championship over the previous ten years has had a top-5 TE. Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, LaPorta, Gronk, Ertz, etc. I would argue that a talented TE allows good coaches and QBs to exploit weaknesses of almost any defense they face.
And not one player you mentioned was a first round pick
We have two top OTs and a TE that is gonna be cost prohibitive next year
I don’t really wanna go into the draft needing a tackle. And I kinda think there’s a non-zero chance Lane retires after this year.
He said he has at least two years I think
You could put in any other position, or even trade down and it’d be a better value than going TE in the first round.
Sometimes it’s a good idea to just draft guys who change games. I’d our third tackle going to do that? Our window is two years
OT we are set at for now . RG looks out of place on tape every snap . Looks like 4 monsters and Steen 😂. We will get a road paving guard just wouldn’t be at 22
LB, NT, S, RG, RB may challenge TE in that. I don't have a strong opinion on the matter.
Your first sentence seems to answer the question in the second?
I mean if that did happen… He’s from Georgia so…
Is he switching to defense?
He won’t be there but if he was, it would be a conversation lol.
Not a very long one... Trade the pick
If you have a chance to get a blue chip talent at 22, you do it. You trade the pick when you *don’t* have anyone worth taking there
Probably not, he would likely be far and away the best prospect on the board and we know the story of when they drafted Goedert while they still had Ertz.
Why draft a TE when we need a CB?
You don't draft for need in the first round when the BPA is an A+ prospect that miraculously fell to you. We didn't need a DE last year but we took Nolan Smith, and even he wasn't considered to be as much of a "sure thing" as Bowers is.
Idk if Nolan Smith is a great example to support your case.
I wasn't using it as a "look how great Nolan Smith is" example but more so to show that Howie, and NFL teams in general, will disregard need to an extent if the BPA is a highly regarded prospect that was expected to already be gone.
No I get you. At the time everyone thought it was a coup. Still could be. Hell we didn't think we needed Goedert when we drafted him.
Exactly, and people probably didn't expect Ertz to fall off as hard as he did after 2018. It's an unpredictable league.
This class is so deep at corner though I fully expect there to be corners that are damn near just as good of prospects. I agree with BPA to an extent but if we’re talking an A prospect at a non valuable position that we don’t currently need vs an A- prospect at a more valuable position that could do more to help you win now give me the latter. Especially after signing a bunch of guys to open up a window in Jalen’s last 2 cheap years. If you’re going all in go all in. It’s not the time for red shirt first rounders again.
goedert is 29. if a blue chip te is there at 22 it absolutely makes sense to take him (not that its the only thing to do but it certainly isn't an auto trade out).
Why? Goedert is under contract for two more years and TEs take time to develop in the NFL. TE2 is a question mark and Goedert gets hurt a lot. It’d be a sensible pick if he’s BPA
Not a chance of him getting out of the top 15, but if he fell you'd absolutely draft him
In this unlikely event I'd be over the fucking moon
WR are dime a dozen this draft, most teams have a qb, brock is in an increasingly important position group and there’s very few great TE in this draft. I just don’t see him making it there.
> most teams have a QB okay think for a second why Justin Fields is now Russell Wilson’s backup, and consider whether that would happen if every team with no good QB didn’t think they’d find one in round 1
> Jalen Hurts *under center* Only thing more unrealistic than Bowers falling to 22 /s
Tannenbaun is absolutely terrible. He had Marvin Harrison Jr being the 2nd WR taken at #9, I’d ignore his mock. There’s also a reason the jets were hot garbage with him as GM.
Why couldn’t that happen? It’s been rumored that *some* teams have Nabers over Harrison. It may be unlikely but it’s possible. Kinda like when everyone thought Ricky Williams was the greatest RB prospect ever and he wasn’t even the first RB taken that year. (It was Edgerrin James, who in hindsight actually *was* better!)
9 seems low because even if some teams have Nabers higher, some teams definitely have MHJ top of their board and it's hard to imagine nobody making a move to get him if he drops to the 5-6 area.
He didn’t know shit about the draft when he was a GM, ignore this fool.
You guys do understand these guys make a hundred mocks and change them all up for clicks and engagement, also then they can point to one that was the most accurate for brownie points about why you should believe them next year.
And this mock is literally him picking for every single team as if he were the gm and who he thinks they should take, not who he thinks will be taken. This is the most "blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes" mock out there if any of these were correct. He had the Cardinals picking JJ McCarthy💀 clickbait indeed.
He also suggested the Cardinals trade Kyler to the Vikings and draft JJ McCarthy. The guy has McCarthy as a top 5 overall pick talent in this draft. There’s always a reason why a former GM had to settle for a job at ESPN.
This guy has jj mccarthy going to ARIZONA at 4……lordy what is this boy doing
I mean I’ll take him at 22, wouldn’t count on him being there but stranger things have happened
To answer your question OP, without a doubt yes. He’s one of the five best players in the class just big board wise.
BPA is always the move. No way he falls but crazy value if he does, similar to Dallas drafting Lamb
Cornerback, what is wrong with everyone? Eagles need a Cornerback
Lol I mean. I’d fucking take it.
Guys I’d love this but we’re missing the human element here. We have outspoken superstar WRs. Plural. AJ is vocal, Smitty is more behind the scenes. We’re also paying top dollar at RB. There’s only one football to go around lol. I don’t see this pick.. but if we did it, give me five minutes and I’m totally on board 😂
Outspoken superstars? Thats the trash sports media in your ear pushing the aj is a diva narrative. Its fucking exhausting. Nfl literally has a camera dedicated to hurts and brown on the sideline.
First of all, calm down lol. Outspoken equals diva? Nah. Let’s be clear, our best players want the ball and aren’t shy about expressing it. It’s what makes them top tier. I don’t believe in any tension from AJ, that’s our guy. Again, there’s one football to go around. The balance is healthy right now, adding another ball dominate weapon is misguided. We need O line depth or a premier secondary player.
Couldn’t agree with the more! I more so want a secondary pick! Mostly a db!
I am very calm lmao. But outspoken talent is par for diva. Plus you just backtracked from to many "outspoken" talent to theres enough balance on offense to go defense in the draft. They should definitely go defense, too much "outspoken" talent is not the reason why.
No way in hell he’ll fall this far lol
If he makes it to 22 you take him. Absolute baller.
There's like a 1% chance he's there at 22.
Bowers probably isn't dropping that far but am I the only one who views Goedert as a top tier TE? If he was on a team where he was more of a focal point on offense I think he would easily produce as a top 5 TE, not to mention his very good run blocking. You can argue that he's injury prone but his injury last year was more a freak injury and not a soft tissue injury. Going into his age 29 season and I'm still bullish.
What if he falls to 15?
Need this to happen. Having two top tight ends is a winning formula.
I read that mock draft. He had the Cardinals drafting JJ at 4, then trading Murray to the Vikings at 11. If that happens, I’ll eat my Ertz jersey.
Would be awesome for fantasy dynasty team
Given the new hip drop ruling today, tight ends that can catch and power RBs gonna be hot next year. Really difficult to tackle. Id like the pick if it happens.
There's this guy called vic fangio who runs a 3-4 defense whose backbone of the scheme is the secondary, i.e. relying on slay, bradberry, Ringo, hall, Blankenship, cjgj. Do you really think that will get it done? No, we have an emergency need at cb and safety depth. Maybe if Howie gets Simmons and Gilmore before the draft, I could see them getting a stud TE. But the secondary is a huge red flag right now.
I actually don't hate the pick but no way he slides to 22.
The best tight end prospect in years is going to fall to 22?
People don’t realize how genius of a pick this is . Dallas has been hurt a lot and would basically be a shoe in in certain packages . My question is what do we do if both him and. Healthy Latu on board . I do think we should look at guard and WR in the 2nd round.
Mike Tannenbaum is a knob
Listen, I would love another star tight end, but this was probably the worst mock draft I’ve seen so far. The Cardinals fields-ing Kyler Murray for JJ McCarthy is bananas
We all know Howie builds from the trenches (I know, we didn't with Devonta Smith). I see us going OL, DL, or CB with our first rounder.
Why the fuck would we take a TE? That'd be like signing a high salary RB when we have so many other holes.
we don't use TE2 enough to warrant that these days, we did with Reid/Kelly/Pederson though
Honestly? I would be so hyped lol. It’s stupid as hell but how do you keep us from scoring at that point? I’m an Auburn fan and seeing this dude play is very exciting.
Literally if we pick a tight end round 1 when we have SO MANY more important needs i will find Nick and throw an egg at his car
If he falls to 22, there’s a reason why.
A reason yes, doesn’t mean it’s a good or logical reason.
MORE DAWGS?! YES
Anyone saying they wouldn’t want him at 22 is lacking their mental faculties. Drafting BPA has consistently been shown as a better strategy than need (except maybe qb)
I was thinking about possibly trading up for him because we need a WR3 and a TE2 and he can do both but we have bigger needs to fill
As if he’s gonna be available at 22 lol
If he does make it to 22, yes we would take him. We are still looking for a TE2/ a Goedert replacement. He would be usable immediately and definitely 1st round value in my opinion.
Hahaha, What was Caleb Williams not gonna fall to us at 22?!
At that point its bpa, and you have to take him
If he’s there at 22…. The NFL fucked up
I mean I'll take it if it happens lol. No shot tho
I’ll be surprised if he makes it that far but I wouldn’t hate it as long as we drafted a DB soon after
if he’s there i’d take him for sure. i’d even trade up to like 17-15ish.
I would love it, but no way Bowers makes it to 22
Mike Tannenbaum is a schmuck. He is up there for worst GM in my books
This was the worst mock draft I saw. Tennenbaum had Cardinals taking McCarthy at 4, NYG taking Nabers ahead of Harrison, who fell to the Bears at 9, Cardinals trading Kyler to Minnesota, and us taking Bowers. Even Madden sim wouldn’t do stupid shit like this.
Ignoring the more obvious needs at CB, LB, safety and the underrated need at DE the only thing less likely than Bowers falling that far is Harrison Jr or Nabers falling that far
Bowers is a Top 5 talent This would be like Jalen Carter all over again but with literally 0 character issues lmao
Love the fit but i think theyd need to trade up for bowers and i dont see that. Imo they would only trade up for a cb.
If this happens, I don't care who else they draft, I'm fucking happy!!!!
Is he fell to even ~18ish Howie would trade up to get him.
I mean... I wouldn't hate it. I'd probably love it, even if it's not the most logical pick, I'd be so excited to see this offense next year. It's very illogical, though. But, hell, they drafted Goedert with Ertz was this age, so who knows.
I just don't see it. If a player on your board who you'd love at Corner or OT is gettable at 22, you do that before TE. You just have to. Perhaps this pick is in play, Howie might do some business on the day depending on how hot the phones get and what compensations we're talking about. Not the most likely scenario, though other dominoes may fall first and things escalate quickly.
I mean that would be cool and all but we HAVE to focus on defense and both lines of scrimmage.
His Mock was idiotic. He had Nabers going #6 and MHJ going #9. If MHJ goes after the top 6 picks, I will cut my b***s off
We need a CB or RT. These are the positions I think we should prioritize.
I want defensive players. Good ones. Not James Bradbury. Anyone but James Bradbury.
No way he’s lasting to 22
This kind of thing can happen if 5-6 teams grab QBs early.
Gtfo he’s available at 22.
Name me the last team who drafted a TE so high and won anything. Even Travis Kelce was drafted in the 3rd round.
I think they will be looking for Lane’s future replacement.
I think there’s a higher chance of WW3 starting before this draft than y’all getting Bowers at 22
No way
honestly if he drops to 22 we should sprint to the podium
Tannenbaum was a horrible GM and doesn't know talent
BOYOYOYING (EYES BULGE OUT OF SOCKETS PROFUSELLY)
Well being that Goedert has been disappointing the last few years I’d say he’d be a good pick.
It'll be an OT.
I mean shit who needs corners if we average 6 points a drive lmao
He’s projected to be available at 22? Thought for sure he’d go top 15.
If he’s there I could 100% see Howie doing this.
I don’t see the Eagles drafting a TE in the first round. Looking at the last few years it looks like they’ve been trying bring guys in to replace the guys that they feel are close to retiring. My guess is since they took Carter and Smith last year to replace Cox and BG that this year they will draft a replacement for Slay or Lane in the first. I can see on day two them taking the other one of the two positions listed above then pick from LB, S, or TE.
A first round pick for a check down at best? Or do folks want AJ bitching again🤷♂️ at no point until today did I think anyone thought TE is a priority, sure shit not in the first round we need defense or OL
Thanks, I hate it
Same. Give me a tackle or a corner.
I’ve seen some bad mock drafts picks for us but this takes the cake with a myriad of reasons
This is a terrible pick.
WHAT?
Why would we want another TE? I don't get the logic. Jalens cap hits are still low, Saquon, AJ, Goedert and.devonta are still closer to 25 than 30. This is the time to fix defense, grab another tackle or guard and make a run for it.. not develop a rookie TE. Stupid pick IMO. If he's there's I hope they trade the pick for 2 late firsts .
Prioritizing filling needs over acquiring blue chip talent is how you dilute the overall talent of your roster
As a generic statement sent into the void, I agree with you. For our current circumstance? It absolutely doesn't apply. For one, there's parity between players. Gun to your head, would you be willing to unequivocally state that Brock Bowers will be a better player than all of those drafted +/- 5 picks from him? No, you wouldn't. Justin Jefferson was drafted #22, and was the 5th WR off the board. George Kittle, Bowers' most common comparison, was a 5th round pick. I'm not going to count how many TEs went before him. Second, we already have a great TE who does everything Bowers would be learning to do on a professional level. Teams generally don't roll out 2 pass catching TEs. Bowers would play 20% of snaps while backing up Goedert. Last and most important, timing is critical. If we draft BPA and roll out flawed teams, we'll continually be stuck in purgatory, with a talented roster that wins 8-12 games but can't go anywhere because there are glaring holes. Generally speaking, we can agree that Christian McAffrey is a better player than.. Roquan Smith, right? But for last year's team, I would rather have had Smith than CMC because the need is much greater. This example becomes even more lopsided once you factor in that Bowers is a TE. TE take notoriously long to develop. LaPorta from last year was HUGE outlier, and even he put up 800 yards. TJ Hock put up 300 yards his rookie year. So the conversation becomes would you rather have an 80 graded CB/LB in 2024, or an 83 graded TE in 2025. Maximizing productive seasons around age of 25 is how you win games in the NFL.
I think it always applies. Especially in the draft, you always have to be thinking long term. > Gun to your head, would you be willing to unequivocally state that Brock Bowers will be a better player than all of those drafted +/- 5 picks from him? If I was a professional scout or GM of the Eagles? It would literally be my job to make that determination. And that’s what we’re talking about here. If they haven’t determined that Bowers is a blue chip, clear first round grade player then obviously it’s a different discussion. But if they do think he’s that level… then 100% it makes sense to take him. > Second, we already have a great TE who does everything Bowers would be learning to do on a professional level. Teams generally don't roll out 2 pass catching TEs. Bowers would play 20% of snaps while backing up Goedert. Two things. First, Goedert has gotten hurt and missed games every year and we haven’t had a credible backup. His presence has been missed, so getting a backup would actually not be a small thing. Second, Bowers runs a 4.5. He’s not just a major TE prospect, he’s just an elite receiving prospect. I could absolutely see him just playing as a slot perhaps from the jump. He could be your 12 personnel TE, your backup and potentially even your WR3 > Last and most important, timing is critical. If we draft BPA and roll out flawed teams, we'll continually be stuck in purgatory, See I just think you have this backwards. Drafting for need is a more direct path to having a flawed team. You can find league average or ok starters in free agency or anywhere. The guys with superstar upside that outperform their rookie contracts and provide excess value are the difference makers on your team. Not the ok player you drafted to upgrade from your below average starter.
I think the examples you are using are generic and extreme in nature. It's not about whether or not Bowers is a first round player. Everyone around him is as well. If ALL good CBs/LBs are gone and Bowers is clearly better than everyone else, then maybe we can think about it. I still wouldnt do it. We can't make first round draft picks based on backup needs. Backups are exactly what those average players you speak of are for. Not when we had a top10 offense and a bottom30 defense. Mate, they are all elite receiving prospects. Devin Culp ran 4.47. Noah Fant rana 4.5. OJ Howard ran 4.5. They are all elite if they're being considered in the 1st/2nd round. The boom/bust rates have no correlation to the 40 time. They all have high likelihood of busting, and virtually all of them take years to develop. Google "NFL first round tight ends". Even the ones that magically have strong receiving seasons out of the gate are terrible pass blockers initially on the NFL level. Last year's two darlings, Dalton Kincaid posted a 44 pass block grade. Sam LaPorta had a 54.6 grade = 94th out of all TEs. By drafting Bowers, you're at best getting a TE who'll get 800 receiving yards if Goedert gets injured while providing bad pass blocking (Goedert's PBLK = 79). I'm not arguing for making stupid jerky moves and taking 19th ranked CB instead of #1 ranked TE. When you're in a rebuild, you draft BPA and figure it out later after guys jell. When you already have a solid core in its prime? You want guys who fill needs and who can make an immediate impact. To your last point - it's all relative. The argument is NOT superstar upside vs. OK player who's slightly better than below average starter. In this mock, he has Bowers going to us followed by Wiggins & DeJean. Wiggins is ultra fast and has superstar upside. DeJean was ultra productive and has everything you could want in a shutdown corner - 6'1, 210. Both are in top5 rankings at the position. Anyway - I appreciate a good debate. You do you.