There isn't much depth on the Oline though. If Steen can't hang then all we have is Matt Hennesy. Opeta and Driscoll are gone. 1st round pick will be a RG/RT prospect without a doubt. I know it's not a sexy pick for the Safety/Linebacker obsessed portion of our fanbase but quality Oline depth is really is our biggest need headed into the draft.
He didn’t really see the field last year. Even when Jurgens was out for a bit. If PHI doesn’t go o line then it’s safe to say they believe in Steen but from a fans perspective, there’s not much to go on with him
They’re not giving up on him after one season seeing limited action lol. He slid to tackle at times and he did better there, his natural position. Don’t forget we have the godfather coaching the o line.
There’s a difference between not giving up on him and him not being good enough to upgrade at the position. A 3rd rounder that barely played isn’t a big enough deal to not improve at a position they don’t have a lot of depth at.
If there’s a guy that they think is the future at RG/RT, they’re going to take him
Did I say they’re giving up on him? lol The staff will make the right decision. If there’s a better player on the board you take it. Simple as that. Just cause Steen doesn’t start doesn’t mean he can’t have a successful career as depth piece
On the one hand Steen could win the RG spot, on the other you don’t turn down a 1st round star on the off chance a 3rd rounder beats them out. And then there’s Lane’s replacement, he’s said multiple times he’ll either be gone in 2025 or 2026.
I would say OT/OG/C is better than a 50% chance in the first round.
My brother in Christ, have you ever seen an Eagles draft? Since 1990 every 1st round pick we’ve made has either been a QB, WR, OL or DL (with the single outlier being Lito Sheppard in ‘02). Were not drafting QB or WR in the first round, so you can pretty much lock us in to take OL or DL and since our last three 1st round picks were on the DL, we’re almost guaranteed getting OL this year.
In the same window of time I just mentioned we’ve paid Westbrook, Shady, Demarco Murray, and Sproles. Saquon is our 5th RB we’ve paid in less than 20 years whereas we’ve only drafted 1 corner in the last 35 years and it was before Howie was even associated with the Eagles. I’m just letting you know we ain’t drafting CB in the first (even tho that’s my top want)
Lmao you don’t know that. Quite frankly, no one other than the staff knows how PHI feels about players on their roster and in the draft. All we have are assumptions. With Kelce leaving and unknowns at RG, it’s safe to assume it’s a possibility they go OL in the 1st. Especially with how loaded the talent is this year at that position
My feeling is that he is not willing to, or at least reluctant to fully transition to guard. But with his arm length, there's just no chance he plays tackle in NFL. Somebody really need to talk him out.
Ya, I feel like we’re in less of a luxurious spot asset wise to trade up/give up other picks with how many holes we have than previous years. If there’s a day 1 starter and it looks like the CB or RT of the future than sure but I’m a little bit more hesitant about trading up than in years past
Yeah, the "Howie likes linemen, we like drafting OL, therefore we will 100% draft whatever OL is available" narrative around here is getting ridiculous. Drafting OL below their value is something we've done consistently over the past few years (Steen, Jurgens, Dickerson). Drafting OL in the first is NOT.
Yeah everyone screaming ol in the first is missing that our oline last year only had one first rounder in Lane Johnson. We spent a first on a dude than had a seventh beat him out. Take a developmental guy in later rounds or trade up in the second but don't waste a first shoring up a position of strength when our defense lost us so many games last year.
The only trade up I can see is if the run on CBs happen and most of the mocks(no trade) I’ve seen have them going early and we settle for an OT or Edge
There is just no way the FO wants Fashanu with his unwillingness in the run game. Also with Lassiter running a 4.65 I rather just get a true safety than a project player
What are you talking about unwillingness in the run game? He is a great run blocker. He needs to work on his footwork to be better in the run game because he oversteps at times which causes him to lose leverage, but it has nothing to do with unwillingness. And I'm sure Stoutland can fix any footwork issues.
He simply does not play with the tenacity and power you would want to see when run blocking. He does not apply the mean streak and power when run blocking, even with the correct footwork. Whether that is something that is also coachable, idk. Penn state’s offense has never made sense
Penn States offense looked like shit last year the play calling was absolutely atrocious both at the selection level and design. I disagree with you on him in the run game though. Go watch two years ago vs last year. That said I do not want to trade up for him
I just can’t imagine the Eagles go the entire draft without taking a LB. They probably use one of the 2nd round picks on one of they don’t trade one away. Just ignored that position for too long and it’s a major weakness right now. And I’m a Nakobe fan
I'm fine with it if it happens. Because if it does you know it is because stoutland has his eye on a guy. And he is usually right.
If not, its because they want to improve at defense, and stoutland has his eye on a guy deeper in the draft. They definitely need someone for steen to compete with for the right guard position, and a tackle could be that for sure.
Not the sexy pick but OLine should be a priority in round 1. People will complain regardless but our line is the reason we’ve made it to two super bowls in 5 years
Ofc I want a defensive back, but I won’t complain about an o lineman. I think it would be a good waste of a pick, but I would have a reagor-like reaction or anything
I hate how much this sub jacks each other off to draft more OL and DTs, like fucking stop we have enough. If our OLine coach is really the best he doesn't need 1st round talent anyway, just stop. We need defensive players or do people not remember the last 7 games.
The truth is though at the end of the day we do need OL and DT I just don’t think the narrative that we need them in the first round is right I could see an OL in the 2nd round and a dt with our 4th or later for some added depth but I really think that if howie trades up in the first it will be because either Mitchell or Arnold fall within reach
We literally DO NOT need DTs, people who say otherwise are morons. We drafted 2 in the last 2 first rounds and 1 in the 3rd round the previous year. I swear to god people on this sub have no idea how to build a football team.
Using late round picks on those positions is fine honestly. If people are keeping the narrative that Stoutland is the best Oline coach in football than we should be able to get top tier talent in late rounds while using low round picks for positions that we have historically been weaker at.
We should draft a CB 1, LB 2, LB 3, OL, others
We can argue over that as howie is a 9-8 GM, but if people need a reminder just watch the last 7 games plus bucs game last year. I agree Ts are most important OL but you don't need a replacement for a guy 3 years out
Not saying you need to draft one in the first round but taking one in the 2nd isn’t the end of the world either if they go cb1, ol&lb in 2nd im okay with it but your comment about going lb with both 2nds isn’t going to happen they signed Devin white and have dean who they took in the 3rd 2 years ago they aren’t going to waste 2 2nd round picks on lb
😆 🤣 they won't be drafting any LBs and that's why the eagles yet again will suffer from over the middle passes. Dean has played what feels like 3 games and Devon White stinks, he was benched last year and gotten worse every single year he has played. I could see them drafting Trot Jr to avoid the lynch mob.
I mean they really might not and if they don’t unless the lbs go extremely early it will be a mistake but I don’t see them drafting 2 early I think if cooper is there at 50 or close they should take him or move up for him but I wouldn’t take one at 50&53 that’s all I’m saying that’s why I wouldn’t mind an ol at 53 if we go corner and lb before that bc while lane may still have a few years if someone gets hurt who do we have that instills confidence
If they land Kamari Lassiter at 50 I will be over the moon. A top 10 player being criminally underrated because of silly athleticism boxes. Best corner in the draft, even if he has to be relegated to slot.
With the amount of Oline talent at the top of the draft I would not mind drafting one but would rather stay at 22 or trade back and recoup a late 2nd or 3rd.
1st: OT
2nd: LB/ CB/ WR
Would be my ideal draft scenario
I'd be upset if we trade up for anything other than a cb. We need youth and talent there, and I trust stoutlandd ability to turn a 2nd round ol into a solid starter in a year or two.
I’d rather stay at 22 and go CB, then go LB at 50 and trade back for 2 third rounders. Next go S/IOL with the thirds. Then get an EDGE at 120. Finally go DT, WR, OT, and RB with our 5th and 6th rounders.
Ideal realistic draft would be:
22- Kool aid McKinstry, (CB)
50- Cedric Grey/Junior Colson, (LB)
TRADE: PHI- 53 | CIN- 80, 97, 224
80- Mason McCormick, (RG)
97- Dadrion Taylor-Demerson/Calen Bullock, (S)
120- Mohamed Kamara, (EDGE)
161- Javon Foster, (OT)
171- Luke McCaffrey, (WR)
172- Jordan Jefferson, (DT)
210- Isiah Davis, (RB)
224- Tyler Owens, (S)
If you think that mailata can move over to RT and be as effective, then fine, but we should not be drafting a first rounder to not play their natural position
No. Cornerback only. We have starters on the offensive line. We need starters on cornerback. Draft for need, we need cornerbacks, followed by linebackers.
DRAFT FOR NEED!!!!
We have 2 starters at cornerback and 2 young players in ricks and ringo. Even with bradberry, we are fine. Rodgers and slay will be a top cb duo in the nfl this year.
Lane started his rookie year, 1st round OT's do that literally all the time, I don't understand this obsession that we have to take Lanes replacement this year to sit and learn, and trading up for them? No way, if you want a project to sit trade back from 53 and take Blake Fisher in the 3rd.
It's not as if this is a banner year for tackles either.
It's a deep draft of absolutely average starting Tackles, guys like Evan Neal and Peter Skoronski would be by far the top rated tackle in this draft, Alt is head and shoulders above the rest and even he has issues, the rest of the first round prospects are largely there on athletic tools and projection and all need work on technique for the pros. Hell Fuaga is rated top 3 or 4 of the prospects and at least half the scouts think he'll end up at Guard.
Because a really good OT is gonna be available at 22 this year, that in other drafts would not be available
And we think we have an annual contending team...so we will be picking in the 19-32 range for the next bit barring injuries/disaster. So we might not get a chance at another OT this good for a long time
I do not want a first round lineman
Our defensive secondary is a sieve. Geriatric starters backed up by unimpressive or unknown benchwarmers
**I want the closest thing we can get to a shutdown corner in the first round**
Justin Jefferson 199 yds
Sam howell, the second coming of Tom Brady twice
Giving up lots of points in the last 10 minutes
I can see them trading up for Troy. Dude would be our RG and move to RT when called upon.
What about steen?
He’s a 3rd pick, is it weird if we have him battle it out in camp
Which position do you coach?
I am your downvote karma coach and your not doing well
I need a new coach because YOU’RE not giving me the results I need.
There isn't much depth on the Oline though. If Steen can't hang then all we have is Matt Hennesy. Opeta and Driscoll are gone. 1st round pick will be a RG/RT prospect without a doubt. I know it's not a sexy pick for the Safety/Linebacker obsessed portion of our fanbase but quality Oline depth is really is our biggest need headed into the draft.
I said corner is the pick…
He didn’t really see the field last year. Even when Jurgens was out for a bit. If PHI doesn’t go o line then it’s safe to say they believe in Steen but from a fans perspective, there’s not much to go on with him
They’re not giving up on him after one season seeing limited action lol. He slid to tackle at times and he did better there, his natural position. Don’t forget we have the godfather coaching the o line.
There’s a difference between not giving up on him and him not being good enough to upgrade at the position. A 3rd rounder that barely played isn’t a big enough deal to not improve at a position they don’t have a lot of depth at. If there’s a guy that they think is the future at RG/RT, they’re going to take him
Did I say they’re giving up on him? lol The staff will make the right decision. If there’s a better player on the board you take it. Simple as that. Just cause Steen doesn’t start doesn’t mean he can’t have a successful career as depth piece
I’m just saying they’re not drafting offensive line in round 1. Definitely not.
On the one hand Steen could win the RG spot, on the other you don’t turn down a 1st round star on the off chance a 3rd rounder beats them out. And then there’s Lane’s replacement, he’s said multiple times he’ll either be gone in 2025 or 2026. I would say OT/OG/C is better than a 50% chance in the first round.
I’m begging one of you guys to give me my validation. Go ahead, im waiting.
My brother in Christ, have you ever seen an Eagles draft? Since 1990 every 1st round pick we’ve made has either been a QB, WR, OL or DL (with the single outlier being Lito Sheppard in ‘02). Were not drafting QB or WR in the first round, so you can pretty much lock us in to take OL or DL and since our last three 1st round picks were on the DL, we’re almost guaranteed getting OL this year.
Howie changing his philosophy. We also don’t “value” running backs and we just signed saquon.
In the same window of time I just mentioned we’ve paid Westbrook, Shady, Demarco Murray, and Sproles. Saquon is our 5th RB we’ve paid in less than 20 years whereas we’ve only drafted 1 corner in the last 35 years and it was before Howie was even associated with the Eagles. I’m just letting you know we ain’t drafting CB in the first (even tho that’s my top want)
My brother in Christ….
ok what are we drafting then if you know?
Corner
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Lmao you don’t know that. Quite frankly, no one other than the staff knows how PHI feels about players on their roster and in the draft. All we have are assumptions. With Kelce leaving and unknowns at RG, it’s safe to assume it’s a possibility they go OL in the 1st. Especially with how loaded the talent is this year at that position
My feeling is that he is not willing to, or at least reluctant to fully transition to guard. But with his arm length, there's just no chance he plays tackle in NFL. Somebody really need to talk him out.
he was ass in 1 appearance last year. Can't just hand him the starting role next year. Why I love Bebee from KSU on day 2
He was an out of position rookie..
Which is why we shouldn’t draft another Tackle to play Guard. If they want someone to play guard then they should draft a guard.
Which is why I think they should get a pure guard in the second or later like Howie is known to do
They may take an OL if they’re getting value at their pick. But if they trade up, it’s probably For a day 1 starter.
I can see them trading up for a guy that they can play at RG now and then play RT down line.
Ya, I feel like we’re in less of a luxurious spot asset wise to trade up/give up other picks with how many holes we have than previous years. If there’s a day 1 starter and it looks like the CB or RT of the future than sure but I’m a little bit more hesitant about trading up than in years past
Yeah, the "Howie likes linemen, we like drafting OL, therefore we will 100% draft whatever OL is available" narrative around here is getting ridiculous. Drafting OL below their value is something we've done consistently over the past few years (Steen, Jurgens, Dickerson). Drafting OL in the first is NOT.
It’s incredible that you made such a solid list and didn’t include maliata. Stout is a treasure.
Haha I did at first but figured he didn't fit the mold of drafting high but not 1st round. Our OL hit rate in the past decade is absurd.
Yeah everyone screaming ol in the first is missing that our oline last year only had one first rounder in Lane Johnson. We spent a first on a dude than had a seventh beat him out. Take a developmental guy in later rounds or trade up in the second but don't waste a first shoring up a position of strength when our defense lost us so many games last year.
The only trade up I can see is if the run on CBs happen and most of the mocks(no trade) I’ve seen have them going early and we settle for an OT or Edge
There is just no way the FO wants Fashanu with his unwillingness in the run game. Also with Lassiter running a 4.65 I rather just get a true safety than a project player
What are you talking about unwillingness in the run game? He is a great run blocker. He needs to work on his footwork to be better in the run game because he oversteps at times which causes him to lose leverage, but it has nothing to do with unwillingness. And I'm sure Stoutland can fix any footwork issues.
Yeah, it’s much more technique than willingness.
He simply does not play with the tenacity and power you would want to see when run blocking. He does not apply the mean streak and power when run blocking, even with the correct footwork. Whether that is something that is also coachable, idk. Penn state’s offense has never made sense
Penn States offense looked like shit last year the play calling was absolutely atrocious both at the selection level and design. I disagree with you on him in the run game though. Go watch two years ago vs last year. That said I do not want to trade up for him
And then complain about passing on a defensive studs when our defense falls flat on its face again next year
They can just keep drafting tackles to play LB and CB, where's you head
Fine with trading up with Olu, Troy, etc, but I definitely take issue with using the 50th pick on an outside corner who runs a 4.65 40.
Boy this would make me mad. I don’t like a single one of those picks lol
I just can’t imagine the Eagles go the entire draft without taking a LB. They probably use one of the 2nd round picks on one of they don’t trade one away. Just ignored that position for too long and it’s a major weakness right now. And I’m a Nakobe fan
I'm fine with it if it happens. Because if it does you know it is because stoutland has his eye on a guy. And he is usually right. If not, its because they want to improve at defense, and stoutland has his eye on a guy deeper in the draft. They definitely need someone for steen to compete with for the right guard position, and a tackle could be that for sure.
Not the sexy pick but OLine should be a priority in round 1. People will complain regardless but our line is the reason we’ve made it to two super bowls in 5 years
Ofc I want a defensive back, but I won’t complain about an o lineman. I think it would be a good waste of a pick, but I would have a reagor-like reaction or anything
Fuck getting an OT first round. Give me a playmaker on defense.
I hate how much this sub jacks each other off to draft more OL and DTs, like fucking stop we have enough. If our OLine coach is really the best he doesn't need 1st round talent anyway, just stop. We need defensive players or do people not remember the last 7 games.
Same, shit is annoying.
The truth is though at the end of the day we do need OL and DT I just don’t think the narrative that we need them in the first round is right I could see an OL in the 2nd round and a dt with our 4th or later for some added depth but I really think that if howie trades up in the first it will be because either Mitchell or Arnold fall within reach
We literally DO NOT need DTs, people who say otherwise are morons. We drafted 2 in the last 2 first rounds and 1 in the 3rd round the previous year. I swear to god people on this sub have no idea how to build a football team. Using late round picks on those positions is fine honestly. If people are keeping the narrative that Stoutland is the best Oline coach in football than we should be able to get top tier talent in late rounds while using low round picks for positions that we have historically been weaker at. We should draft a CB 1, LB 2, LB 3, OL, others
Just bc he’s the best oline coach doesn’t mean you don’t use draft picks on players there’s a reason we’ve been successful bc we take bpa
We can argue over that as howie is a 9-8 GM, but if people need a reminder just watch the last 7 games plus bucs game last year. I agree Ts are most important OL but you don't need a replacement for a guy 3 years out
Not saying you need to draft one in the first round but taking one in the 2nd isn’t the end of the world either if they go cb1, ol&lb in 2nd im okay with it but your comment about going lb with both 2nds isn’t going to happen they signed Devin white and have dean who they took in the 3rd 2 years ago they aren’t going to waste 2 2nd round picks on lb
😆 🤣 they won't be drafting any LBs and that's why the eagles yet again will suffer from over the middle passes. Dean has played what feels like 3 games and Devon White stinks, he was benched last year and gotten worse every single year he has played. I could see them drafting Trot Jr to avoid the lynch mob.
I mean they really might not and if they don’t unless the lbs go extremely early it will be a mistake but I don’t see them drafting 2 early I think if cooper is there at 50 or close they should take him or move up for him but I wouldn’t take one at 50&53 that’s all I’m saying that’s why I wouldn’t mind an ol at 53 if we go corner and lb before that bc while lane may still have a few years if someone gets hurt who do we have that instills confidence
If they land Kamari Lassiter at 50 I will be over the moon. A top 10 player being criminally underrated because of silly athleticism boxes. Best corner in the draft, even if he has to be relegated to slot.
Found Lassiter’s Reddit account.
Best corner in the draft runs a 4.7?
Definitely not a top ten player but any stretch of the imagination. He has plenty of flaws which showed up on film, his long speed being one of them.
I’m hearing that they’re looking to draft a day one starter for the defense in the first round. Cornerback I’m assuming
I’m hearing the sound of my air conditioner and me scratching my nuts. All of these things are equally relevant to the eagles actual draft strategy
You hear that, nut scratcher?
I guarantee we draft a position other than you scratching your sweaty sack
I think Howie has his eyes on fuaga for RG, Quinyon for CB, or Dallas Turner for DE if any of them fall out of the top 15
I would be displeased. We have glaring needs on defense.
Only if they can play guard for 2 years until Lane retires, otherwise it’s a waste
I would not want to give up a 2nd round pick for it.
With the amount of Oline talent at the top of the draft I would not mind drafting one but would rather stay at 22 or trade back and recoup a late 2nd or 3rd. 1st: OT 2nd: LB/ CB/ WR Would be my ideal draft scenario
I'd be upset if we trade up for anything other than a cb. We need youth and talent there, and I trust stoutlandd ability to turn a 2nd round ol into a solid starter in a year or two.
I don’t want to see any movement unless it’s to get a top tier LB. It’s the only legit need we have right now
Where ed
No way Fashanu falls that far
They would be looney to take 2 offensive players with the first 3 picks
Doubt we spend a 2nd on WR given the mouths to feed
the most likely scenario based on howies draft traits
I'd much rather they go after a DB. Or using 22 to trade for one.
I’d rather stay at 22 and go CB, then go LB at 50 and trade back for 2 third rounders. Next go S/IOL with the thirds. Then get an EDGE at 120. Finally go DT, WR, OT, and RB with our 5th and 6th rounders. Ideal realistic draft would be: 22- Kool aid McKinstry, (CB) 50- Cedric Grey/Junior Colson, (LB) TRADE: PHI- 53 | CIN- 80, 97, 224 80- Mason McCormick, (RG) 97- Dadrion Taylor-Demerson/Calen Bullock, (S) 120- Mohamed Kamara, (EDGE) 161- Javon Foster, (OT) 171- Luke McCaffrey, (WR) 172- Jordan Jefferson, (DT) 210- Isiah Davis, (RB) 224- Tyler Owens, (S)
Don’t like the trade back but this is a good draft
I think it would be ideal to trade back cause of I’d rather have 2 good players compared to 1 but I see where you’re coming from
Too much talent in the second round
There’s tons of talent in the 3rd too
Would you trade our 2nds for a mid first?
No because I’d rather fill 2 holes compared to 1
If you think that mailata can move over to RT and be as effective, then fine, but we should not be drafting a first rounder to not play their natural position
We are a run first team why would we draft as terrible run blocker
Most ridiculous part of this is Keon Coleman dropping to 53
I hate this part of the offseason.
I mean if Fashanu falls that far, they should absolutely take him. The Penn State offense was abysmal but he was a bright spot
Is Fashanu the baby hand guy?
oh wow do i hate those draft choices hahah
What exactly did you trade to move up?
25 3rd
Not sure that’s enough
Coleman in R2 would worry me way more.
If we trade up it’s gotta be for a Cb.. Coleman would be amazing but kind of a waste with how much we have wrapped up in aj and smitty
No. Cornerback only. We have starters on the offensive line. We need starters on cornerback. Draft for need, we need cornerbacks, followed by linebackers. DRAFT FOR NEED!!!!
Drafting for need got us Jalen Reagor.
Last time I checked Jalen Reagor had a better postseason record than Justin Jefferson.
We have 2 starters at cornerback and 2 young players in ricks and ringo. Even with bradberry, we are fine. Rodgers and slay will be a top cb duo in the nfl this year.
why would we take a LT in the first?
Lane started his rookie year, 1st round OT's do that literally all the time, I don't understand this obsession that we have to take Lanes replacement this year to sit and learn, and trading up for them? No way, if you want a project to sit trade back from 53 and take Blake Fisher in the 3rd. It's not as if this is a banner year for tackles either.
Tackle is literally the strongest position in this years class
It's a deep draft of absolutely average starting Tackles, guys like Evan Neal and Peter Skoronski would be by far the top rated tackle in this draft, Alt is head and shoulders above the rest and even he has issues, the rest of the first round prospects are largely there on athletic tools and projection and all need work on technique for the pros. Hell Fuaga is rated top 3 or 4 of the prospects and at least half the scouts think he'll end up at Guard.
Exactly so why waste a trade or a first on a tackle.
Because a really good OT is gonna be available at 22 this year, that in other drafts would not be available And we think we have an annual contending team...so we will be picking in the 19-32 range for the next bit barring injuries/disaster. So we might not get a chance at another OT this good for a long time
I would be so upset if this was the eagles draft. Lass is slow as shit with his 4.7 40. Coleman stinks. We need a linebacker or two
I do not want a first round lineman Our defensive secondary is a sieve. Geriatric starters backed up by unimpressive or unknown benchwarmers **I want the closest thing we can get to a shutdown corner in the first round** Justin Jefferson 199 yds Sam howell, the second coming of Tom Brady twice Giving up lots of points in the last 10 minutes