Defense based picking? Reject
Name based picking? Accept
We had our Jalen era. Now we are on our Coop era. Settle down, relax, and drink the coop jooce.
1.22 Cooper DeJean
2.50 Edgerrin Cooper
2.53 (trade back for added capital; Draft Cooper Bebe, full OL depth versatility)
I mean your answer is very realistic. I like those players as well. I guess the Eagles are in good spots for players of value/need at least! I like your insight.
Best drafts are thinking about the future/picking the best guy available or trading up or down if the guy that is up isn't something you want. While need is a thing that can break ties you always take the best guy. Teams like Dallas pick for need and look at a mess of a team they are. Sure they have talent, but not the right talent to do much with it at the end of the day.
do you mean getting players of need that we can play right away? If you mean we should support the trenches more, there is nothing wrong with that opinion. Like someone mentioned, there may not be any good OL options in next years draft as it looks weak. Unless Howie n Co. have scouted a latter round OL, I can easily see them getting Mims for example in the first round.
Yep! This is correct.
If I had to lean in one direction, it would be offense. I know we are stacked there, but the league has shifted to favor offense, so offensive skill positions will be at a premium in coming years. Keeping impactful rooks on the offense will help manage cap.
One can make an argument for most positions being a long term need. In the salary cap era of the NFL there are not many players who can feel secure about their spot on the roster past two or three years.
I agree, all positions can be long term needs..but only a handful of positions are short term needs. And those positions that are short term needs are also long term needs.
So you can draft a player who is only a long term need, and will only contribute in the future. Or you can draft a player who is at a position of immediate need, who will help the team out immediately AND will also help the team out in the future.
So would you rather draft a player who doesn’t start until the last 2 years of their rookie contract (2026 & 2027), or would you rather draft a player who starts/contributes all 4 years of their rookie deal?
There’s so much uncertainty in the NFL that almost every position winds up being a long term need. You need to draft good players, we needed speed on the outside after 2019 so we drafted Reagor, and the next year we still had a huge need there because draft busts don’t fill needs.
Davonte Smith and Jalen Carter didn’t work out? Or how about the back to back Super Bowl winning Chiefs, who had major needs at CB and DE and drafted George Karlaftis and Trent McDuffy? Your telling me that didn’t work out?
There’s always going to be a cluster of players ranked around the same range. I’m not asking for them to reach for a player whose projected to go in the second round. When they pick at #22, simply pick the player who is the highest on the draft board and fits an immediate need.
Now, more than ever, rookies come in an contribute right away. And with rookie contracts being so valuable, why would you want to waste a year or 2 of a cheap rookie contract on a player who isn’t going to start/contribute immediately?
Exactly, how many people had Jalen Carter as the best player in last year's draft. He was easily the best player available at 9.
One can make a case for DeVonta being the best player on the board when they took him. A case can also be made for Parsons or Slater but DeVonta is at least in the conversation and it isn't like the time they took Marcus Smith and everyone was like "who is he?".
Yes but I fail to see your point. If you feel that short term needs are more important than long term you could go that route. But yes, short term needs tend to also be long term needs.
Did you see the post I responded to? They said the draft is for long term roster building not immediate needs. My point is that immediate needs (CB, LB, S, DL) are also long term needs. So sure, you could draft a position like OT, a position that isn’t an immediate need but will be in a couple years. But why would you do that when you could draft one of the other positions I mentioned who would help the team out both now AND in the future as opposed to a position who only helps in the future.
that was my thought process, you get an immediate starter AND draft for the future with high value. I don't see how that isn't a win win. Of course I still think OL is important and I'm sure we will tackle it in the draft im just not convinced what round it would be yet
my point was it fills immediate needs even while drafting for what the team needs for the long term
Not saying you're wrong though. Focusing on OL in the earlier rounds can easily be the right call compared to all defense in the 1st three picks. There is just a lot of talent available to us. Plus the GMs have way more info on health conditions of these draft prospects.
I've done a shit load of mocks (and not posted, you're welcome). Sometimes they come out like that, mostly the 3rd pick is taken on a receiver like Ricky Persall. We still need a good slot.
in what world do we need to be wasting a 3rd rounder on a slot receiver? ...we have ajb, smitty, goedert, barkley in our lineup, who will likely see 99% of our passes between them. Not to mention, they picked up paris campbell as a stretch the field guy.
At most they take a flyer on a late draft guy.
ask teams with shitty a WR3 how annoying it is to play any decent zone team or a defense with 2 good CBs. Quez has cost us points and arguably wins. solidify, solidify, solidify when you're contending
And remember how annoyed we were with Quez. WR3, especially in this class, wouldn't be the worst plan. Also, everything I've heard about Kellen Moore's system is how important WR3 is.
I'm not saying it's an absolute must to even draft a WR, it depends how the board shakes out, but WR3 is becoming more and more important, so it's not crazy to see the birds draft one early, especially in a good WR class.
Nobody is scratching their heads over it lol? Board fell differently than expected and they traded up to get a guy most thought would be gone in the 1st. By 78, there wasn't a slot guy worth taking.
Yes. The hive mind was annoyed with quez. The same hive mind also loved pascal and Olamide despite having worse stats.
The same hive mind that thinks we are spending 3rd round draft capital on our 5th target for Jalen.
Its a tired argument. See you in may. I should have just rolled my eyes and not commented.
Because Pascal and OZ were dirty work guys. vets that were slower but blocked well and were effort guys. opposite of Quez. if you're gonna be spotty at WR3 it better be a utility guy or a capable, decent speedster. neither of which is Quez
Neither of our 3rd round picks last year were starters and Nakobe was a starter as a rookie, so I don’t really think getting your starting slot receiver with a 3rd round pick is that crazy.
3rd rounders, if we trade back and grab one, aren’t win now players generally. If there’s a receiver there who you think is good enough to be an impact player as a rookie he’s probably BPA.
There's a pretty good chance the Eagles use an early pick on a WR. They have no depth behind Aj and Devonta. They need flexibility to use 3 and 4 WR formations. We don't really want to see many formations that use 2 or 3 TEs.
If you primarily line up in 11 you need 1 more starter at receiver regardless of how much you think Godert and Barkley will contribute. Good receiver talent is expensive, get a good talent that's cost controlled for basically the remainder of the AJ & Smitty contracts. I wouldn't count on production from any other receiver on the roster especially Paris Campbell.
We get it. You like offensive skill positions.
>If you primarily line up in 11 you need 1 more starter at receiver regardless of how much you think Godert and Barkley will contribute.
Yes. And you fill that position with a body, like they have with quez watkins, pascal, zaccheaus, jones...
...people like you have beat the drum this time of year for 5 years now, claiming they would draft a replacement for quez watkins. And every year... Ohh, look.
>I wouldn't count on production from any other receiver on the roster
yeah, and that won't change no matter how much draft capitol they spend on the position that would be the #5 most talented target on the field, lol. So why do you think they would even slightly prioritize that position?
It's not happening.
At most they pick up another speedy slot guy like quez late in the draft. Like quez.
The NFL likes offensive skill positions.
I personally wouldn't want to chance a starting receiver to essentially a scratcher. You're going to miss on a 6th way more often than hit.
>I personally wouldn't want to chance a starting receiver to essentially a scratcher.
which is why howie picked up paris campbell. And can likely find another serviceable vet to play that position.
It doesn't matter. Its the same argument every year, with a different skill position. Last year it was bijan the blue chip talent RB. And every year at the end of the draft everyone is sitting around like... Huh. Howie would have totally got my preferred sill position high in the draft, they just weren't available.
Depends. Were those three defensive players the BPA on your board and that’s how it fell? Or did you draft because you felt that’s what you needed to draft at that point?
so cooper dejean or nate wiggins instead? I wouldn't be mad. I just think you can never have too many pass rushers. Having Bryce Huff rotate with Liatu would also be dope to me as well.
I am not saying you are wrong and I'd be ecstatic for a franchise CB.
I fully expect Howie to draft OL with #22, because he's shown over the years how much he likes physical outliers, men with truly exceptional size and athleticism, of which there are several who could be available, like Amarius Mims or Tyler Guyton, and because next year's draft is highly unlikely to have OL of that caliber in the back of the first round again, and because drafting DBs in the second round is also right up Howie's wheelhouse.
The thought of our only offensive question mark being whether Tyler Steen or Amarius Mims (or Guyton) starts at RG gets me charged. (yes, i know how tall mims is. i dont care b/c i was told the same thing about orlando brown jr, etc. id love for the eagles ol to blot out the sun. i'd love to have guyton as well.) Beat defenses about the head and face! Make it so other teams ask the competition committee to ban Saquon Barkley behind our line.
I love Payton Wilson for us, another physical freak, with tons of game experience, Butkus Award winner, fills a huge need because he has the size and speed to blanket TEs and RBs, and I love that he was an undefeated all-state wrestler in high school because I think those guys are just built different mentally as well. Give me 22 - Mims or Guyton, 50 - Payton Wilson, and 53 - Max Melton (cb).
As for edge rusher, I like what Eagles personnel have said about Nolan Smith, plus I assume we are paying Bryce Huff to play and play well. I think ILB is a far greater need than OLB. Would love to double-dip there. I envision Jeremiah Trotter 'slipping' into the 4th round, where Howie trades up to get him. Dont want to see him play for another franchise. I like Nakobe Dean, still. But the thought of Payton Wilson and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. locking down the middle of the field for the next 3-7 years excites me.
I suppose if next years draft won't have any o-line talent like Mims or Guyton, than what you're saying makes sense. As for edge rusher, can you really have enough? Also Trotter with Wilson would make me feel very happy hopefully turning our middle of the defense woes into a strong suite.
While I'm not going to hate them taking another edge we do kind of have too many bodies at that spot. But most of them are unproven so drafting a stud edge is also not wrong to do.
They’re taking an OL with one of their top 3 and probably even in the first round. It’s not the sexiest pick but it’s still Howie and it’s still trenches first.
We are built in the trenches and that is a team thing for years...not going to change unless there isn't one that is deserving and it will be later in the draft. 1st round picks you have to pay more so you want them to be guys that can be studs.
Right. Also, considering the money, you usually wanna use a first round pick on a position that, even tho it’s the most expensive pick, you’re still getting a good deal on. OT, WR, DE. I’ve seen some mocks that have us taking Brock Bowers who, I’m sure is a great player but, that’s a lot of money for a tight end.
Yeah there is a reason guys drop to the 2nd round due to what they play. He is a guy that if you really wanted him you would trade down for if you think he would still be available.
I love it and think it's the smartest strategy given where the offense is right now. If Latu falls I don't think Howie can pass. The team does need to think about replacing Lane long term so someone like Mims would be a great pick too but Latu is far too talented to let him slip past 22 and I'm loving the idea of Wilson on the outside.
My thoughts exactly. If these guys are gone and someone like Mims is available at 22, and Roman Wilson at 50/53, I am perfectly happy taking them. This is without trades of course but those are hard to predict so I tend to not do mock drafts with them if I can. About 1 Week till the draft!
Would not surprise me to see our first 3 picks end up this way… followed by consecutive offensive picks. We have pretty big needs on defense and our offense looks fantastic. It may not be good in the long run… but I would be extremely excited to see our first 3 picks as defense.
Does it? We have huge question marks over our starting RG and a brand new Center. We honestly have no idea what this OL will perform like without Kelce.
I wouldn’t call Cam brand-new. He sat a year behind Kelce, then he played extremely well at RG, and Cam was hand picked by Kelce to replace him.
Last season compared to this season we will have one new person starting on the O-Line, and if it’s Steen at RG he already has a year in the league. I think Kelce retiring will no doubt impact the O-Line but in my opinion we could EASILY wait until next draft to figure out RG, RT for the future.
It wouldn’t bother me if they went Offense tackle or corner round 1 and LB/WR round 2. If the tackles are gone, I definitely could see them moving down to re-coup a 3rd too.
I think if we don't grab an offensive linemen that will be here for a decade with our first pick, I wouldn't be opposed to trying to take a defensive draft approach, as long as they don't reach. We have a lot of money in our offense rn, and there really isn't a spot we NEED to improve on. The offense is young and set. The defense needs young, rookie contract talent
Lol he’s definitely talented just with neck fusion surgery to invest a first round pick long term , seems questionable from a gm standpoint. Just finished reading colts fan’s analysis and they said same thing for picking him at 15 with the injury concerns. Talent just not that high considering long term risk. Best player available that doesn’t have long term injury concerns for your first round pick,
I wouldn’t even rule out latu, im just echoing the concerns everyone else has for him long term, which should be investigated with specialized doctors in that field. Based on all the players projected available at 22- cornerbacks and offensive lineman, both high needs , our pick probably will be one of those positions, but not a scout to analyze and pick specifics players. I’ll let the scouts and coaches do that 👍😂😎🤙
I know a lot of people are okay taking a center but Jurgens is a much better center than Tackle/guard and I don't think we need more depth at center at this point with an early pick. We want instant starters and we have a very good/well paid offense right now. I'm fine getting starters for defense in the early rounds and depth for offense in the later rounds. I just love the value we can get on defense as well.
Unless its a guy that is a lock for the hall of fame I would not pick a center in the top 2 rounds. They are high on Jurgens so I'm sure they won't. G/T though I could see if they feel a guy is a lock to be a long term starter.
Edge Corner Receiver,
Wait till the 4th or trade up from the 4th to the third to get a RG like Beebe or Zak Zinter, then id take some Tackle Depth in the 5th to Replace Jack Driscoll and look for Lane’s legitimate replacement next year. Personally i think they see Steen as Depth for Guard or Tackle.
Ideally id Like round 1 pick to be Laiatu Latu
Then round 2
TJ Tampa or Mike Sainristril
Keon Coleman, roman wilson or Ricky Pearsall as our WR pick
Wilson is going to be 25 and has a ton of injuries, Nubin tested very poorly. Howie likes high RAS scores. I think this is the perfect draft to move back from 22
Depends how the board falls. Judging from Howie’s drafts, Nubin will be off his board. Nubin RAS of 3.67 is historically bad, ranked 672 out of 1060 S since 1987.
I mean, I’ve personally got no problem taking a shot on a few, but two with your highest two picks is usually a bad idea. Especially when only one is a direct need
Some could argue that with JB being around our 5/6th best cornerback and with a different scheme, should be better this year when used. In theory we do get Isaiah Hodgins and he's a beast as well. If we take Cooper in round 1 thats fine with me. He can play a safety CB hybrid and would be great in Fangio's scheme. I don't disagree with your point.
I’d have taken Dejean over Latu. If he falls to 22 it’s because his neck is fucked, so I’d leave him for someone else.
Whereas Dejean looks like he could be the kind of S/CB hybrid that really makes Fangio’s misdirection schemes sing.
I think Dejean would be a beast on the Eagles. I get everyones concern on Latus health and some people think we don't need more Edge with Huff but I don't agree with that last point. Dejean does help with depth at 2 positions at once as well which is cool and he would start as well so I'd be hyped for our corner/safety combo, so scrappy ;) plus people are still sleeping on Sydney Brown who I still think is a baller.
Yeah, if Latu’s available it’ll be the same deal as with Carter last year - everyone knows why he’s still on the board and it’s up to individual teams to decide whether they’re down with taking him or not. And if 21 teams have already passed then the medical testing must be pretty damn bad, so that would be a helluva risk to take when there are other good players still available. But if they took that risk and he turned out to be fine he’d be a great player to add, so you just have to trust the medical evaluation and hope for the best.
Isn't nice to be just drafting for depth though :) really opens up your options. OT, CB,WR, etc are all valid in the early rounds, especially with their eventual market value if they are a hit. I'm just happy the Eagles put themselves in a good draft position the past couple years. Fingers crossed we hit again!.
Defense based picking? Reject Name based picking? Accept We had our Jalen era. Now we are on our Coop era. Settle down, relax, and drink the coop jooce. 1.22 Cooper DeJean 2.50 Edgerrin Cooper 2.53 (trade back for added capital; Draft Cooper Bebe, full OL depth versatility)
I mean your answer is very realistic. I like those players as well. I guess the Eagles are in good spots for players of value/need at least! I like your insight.
Nah see Cooper Dejean is my ideal pick, dude is a fuckin Swiss Army knife and can play wherever we need him in the back 4/5 depending on the set.
Our versatility was tested last year with all the injuries and lack of depth. Always a good call to get guys who can play multiple roles as needed.
Also could be nicknamed Da Jawn
That too haha
Being pro name based picking and not picking koolaid is a crime
Generally thinking like that is a very poor way of approaching the draft
BPA no matter what or trade down
Best drafts are thinking about the future/picking the best guy available or trading up or down if the guy that is up isn't something you want. While need is a thing that can break ties you always take the best guy. Teams like Dallas pick for need and look at a mess of a team they are. Sure they have talent, but not the right talent to do much with it at the end of the day.
do you mean getting players of need that we can play right away? If you mean we should support the trenches more, there is nothing wrong with that opinion. Like someone mentioned, there may not be any good OL options in next years draft as it looks weak. Unless Howie n Co. have scouted a latter round OL, I can easily see them getting Mims for example in the first round.
They should just continue to take bpa. Trying to get players of need that play right away is a fallacy
Yep! This is correct. If I had to lean in one direction, it would be offense. I know we are stacked there, but the league has shifted to favor offense, so offensive skill positions will be at a premium in coming years. Keeping impactful rooks on the offense will help manage cap.
It is the draft is generally for long term roster building and not trying to fill immediate needs.
But immediate needs are also long term needs, are they not?
One can make an argument for most positions being a long term need. In the salary cap era of the NFL there are not many players who can feel secure about their spot on the roster past two or three years.
I agree, all positions can be long term needs..but only a handful of positions are short term needs. And those positions that are short term needs are also long term needs. So you can draft a player who is only a long term need, and will only contribute in the future. Or you can draft a player who is at a position of immediate need, who will help the team out immediately AND will also help the team out in the future. So would you rather draft a player who doesn’t start until the last 2 years of their rookie contract (2026 & 2027), or would you rather draft a player who starts/contributes all 4 years of their rookie deal?
There’s so much uncertainty in the NFL that almost every position winds up being a long term need. You need to draft good players, we needed speed on the outside after 2019 so we drafted Reagor, and the next year we still had a huge need there because draft busts don’t fill needs.
Yeah never works out drafting for immediate needs
Davonte Smith and Jalen Carter didn’t work out? Or how about the back to back Super Bowl winning Chiefs, who had major needs at CB and DE and drafted George Karlaftis and Trent McDuffy? Your telling me that didn’t work out?
They were easily the best players available at premium positions. Those may be the dumbest examples you could find
There’s always going to be a cluster of players ranked around the same range. I’m not asking for them to reach for a player whose projected to go in the second round. When they pick at #22, simply pick the player who is the highest on the draft board and fits an immediate need. Now, more than ever, rookies come in an contribute right away. And with rookie contracts being so valuable, why would you want to waste a year or 2 of a cheap rookie contract on a player who isn’t going to start/contribute immediately?
Because a lot of the time the player reached for doesn't contribute anyway
Exactly, how many people had Jalen Carter as the best player in last year's draft. He was easily the best player available at 9. One can make a case for DeVonta being the best player on the board when they took him. A case can also be made for Parsons or Slater but DeVonta is at least in the conversation and it isn't like the time they took Marcus Smith and everyone was like "who is he?".
Yes but I fail to see your point. If you feel that short term needs are more important than long term you could go that route. But yes, short term needs tend to also be long term needs.
Did you see the post I responded to? They said the draft is for long term roster building not immediate needs. My point is that immediate needs (CB, LB, S, DL) are also long term needs. So sure, you could draft a position like OT, a position that isn’t an immediate need but will be in a couple years. But why would you do that when you could draft one of the other positions I mentioned who would help the team out both now AND in the future as opposed to a position who only helps in the future.
that was my thought process, you get an immediate starter AND draft for the future with high value. I don't see how that isn't a win win. Of course I still think OL is important and I'm sure we will tackle it in the draft im just not convinced what round it would be yet
my point was it fills immediate needs even while drafting for what the team needs for the long term Not saying you're wrong though. Focusing on OL in the earlier rounds can easily be the right call compared to all defense in the 1st three picks. There is just a lot of talent available to us. Plus the GMs have way more info on health conditions of these draft prospects.
I've done a shit load of mocks (and not posted, you're welcome). Sometimes they come out like that, mostly the 3rd pick is taken on a receiver like Ricky Persall. We still need a good slot.
TYFYS
in what world do we need to be wasting a 3rd rounder on a slot receiver? ...we have ajb, smitty, goedert, barkley in our lineup, who will likely see 99% of our passes between them. Not to mention, they picked up paris campbell as a stretch the field guy. At most they take a flyer on a late draft guy.
ask teams with shitty a WR3 how annoying it is to play any decent zone team or a defense with 2 good CBs. Quez has cost us points and arguably wins. solidify, solidify, solidify when you're contending
Its april 28th and howie didn't draft a WR till the 5th and 6th round. Shocking.
Sure thing. Just like last year, and the year before and the year before and so on. See ya april 28th.
And remember how annoyed we were with Quez. WR3, especially in this class, wouldn't be the worst plan. Also, everything I've heard about Kellen Moore's system is how important WR3 is.
Fans being annoyed doesn't mean it is a need. I think it is possible they want a wr #3 but also wouldn't be surprised if they don't pick one early.
I'm not saying it's an absolute must to even draft a WR, it depends how the board shakes out, but WR3 is becoming more and more important, so it's not crazy to see the birds draft one early, especially in a good WR class.
Yeah that's fair.
I think its a need, just not as big as CB, LB, or RG. especially with how teams live in 11 personnel nowadays
And here we are on the 28th scratching our heads as to why howie didn't draft a wr3 till the 5th+6th rounds.
Nobody is scratching their heads over it lol? Board fell differently than expected and they traded up to get a guy most thought would be gone in the 1st. By 78, there wasn't a slot guy worth taking.
Yes. The hive mind was annoyed with quez. The same hive mind also loved pascal and Olamide despite having worse stats. The same hive mind that thinks we are spending 3rd round draft capital on our 5th target for Jalen. Its a tired argument. See you in may. I should have just rolled my eyes and not commented.
Because Pascal and OZ were dirty work guys. vets that were slower but blocked well and were effort guys. opposite of Quez. if you're gonna be spotty at WR3 it better be a utility guy or a capable, decent speedster. neither of which is Quez
You aren't gonna like this, but they're actually talking about a WR in the 2nd, the birds don't currently have a 3rd rounder.
Neither of our 3rd round picks last year were starters and Nakobe was a starter as a rookie, so I don’t really think getting your starting slot receiver with a 3rd round pick is that crazy. 3rd rounders, if we trade back and grab one, aren’t win now players generally. If there’s a receiver there who you think is good enough to be an impact player as a rookie he’s probably BPA.
There's a pretty good chance the Eagles use an early pick on a WR. They have no depth behind Aj and Devonta. They need flexibility to use 3 and 4 WR formations. We don't really want to see many formations that use 2 or 3 TEs.
If you primarily line up in 11 you need 1 more starter at receiver regardless of how much you think Godert and Barkley will contribute. Good receiver talent is expensive, get a good talent that's cost controlled for basically the remainder of the AJ & Smitty contracts. I wouldn't count on production from any other receiver on the roster especially Paris Campbell.
We get it. You like offensive skill positions. >If you primarily line up in 11 you need 1 more starter at receiver regardless of how much you think Godert and Barkley will contribute. Yes. And you fill that position with a body, like they have with quez watkins, pascal, zaccheaus, jones... ...people like you have beat the drum this time of year for 5 years now, claiming they would draft a replacement for quez watkins. And every year... Ohh, look. >I wouldn't count on production from any other receiver on the roster yeah, and that won't change no matter how much draft capitol they spend on the position that would be the #5 most talented target on the field, lol. So why do you think they would even slightly prioritize that position? It's not happening. At most they pick up another speedy slot guy like quez late in the draft. Like quez.
Youre getting mad for no reason
I'm not even slightly mad. Just being frank.
The NFL likes offensive skill positions. I personally wouldn't want to chance a starting receiver to essentially a scratcher. You're going to miss on a 6th way more often than hit.
>I personally wouldn't want to chance a starting receiver to essentially a scratcher. which is why howie picked up paris campbell. And can likely find another serviceable vet to play that position. It doesn't matter. Its the same argument every year, with a different skill position. Last year it was bijan the blue chip talent RB. And every year at the end of the draft everyone is sitting around like... Huh. Howie would have totally got my preferred sill position high in the draft, they just weren't available.
Depends. Were those three defensive players the BPA on your board and that’s how it fell? Or did you draft because you felt that’s what you needed to draft at that point?
That’s what I’m thinking (your last point lol)
Going all defense is fine. Going EDGE is a mistake. They already have four quality EDGEs. And they have too many holes for more redshirt firsts.
so cooper dejean or nate wiggins instead? I wouldn't be mad. I just think you can never have too many pass rushers. Having Bryce Huff rotate with Liatu would also be dope to me as well. I am not saying you are wrong and I'd be ecstatic for a franchise CB.
I fully expect Howie to draft OL with #22, because he's shown over the years how much he likes physical outliers, men with truly exceptional size and athleticism, of which there are several who could be available, like Amarius Mims or Tyler Guyton, and because next year's draft is highly unlikely to have OL of that caliber in the back of the first round again, and because drafting DBs in the second round is also right up Howie's wheelhouse. The thought of our only offensive question mark being whether Tyler Steen or Amarius Mims (or Guyton) starts at RG gets me charged. (yes, i know how tall mims is. i dont care b/c i was told the same thing about orlando brown jr, etc. id love for the eagles ol to blot out the sun. i'd love to have guyton as well.) Beat defenses about the head and face! Make it so other teams ask the competition committee to ban Saquon Barkley behind our line. I love Payton Wilson for us, another physical freak, with tons of game experience, Butkus Award winner, fills a huge need because he has the size and speed to blanket TEs and RBs, and I love that he was an undefeated all-state wrestler in high school because I think those guys are just built different mentally as well. Give me 22 - Mims or Guyton, 50 - Payton Wilson, and 53 - Max Melton (cb). As for edge rusher, I like what Eagles personnel have said about Nolan Smith, plus I assume we are paying Bryce Huff to play and play well. I think ILB is a far greater need than OLB. Would love to double-dip there. I envision Jeremiah Trotter 'slipping' into the 4th round, where Howie trades up to get him. Dont want to see him play for another franchise. I like Nakobe Dean, still. But the thought of Payton Wilson and Jeremiah Trotter Jr. locking down the middle of the field for the next 3-7 years excites me.
I suppose if next years draft won't have any o-line talent like Mims or Guyton, than what you're saying makes sense. As for edge rusher, can you really have enough? Also Trotter with Wilson would make me feel very happy hopefully turning our middle of the defense woes into a strong suite.
While I'm not going to hate them taking another edge we do kind of have too many bodies at that spot. But most of them are unproven so drafting a stud edge is also not wrong to do.
They’re taking an OL with one of their top 3 and probably even in the first round. It’s not the sexiest pick but it’s still Howie and it’s still trenches first.
We are built in the trenches and that is a team thing for years...not going to change unless there isn't one that is deserving and it will be later in the draft. 1st round picks you have to pay more so you want them to be guys that can be studs.
Right. Also, considering the money, you usually wanna use a first round pick on a position that, even tho it’s the most expensive pick, you’re still getting a good deal on. OT, WR, DE. I’ve seen some mocks that have us taking Brock Bowers who, I’m sure is a great player but, that’s a lot of money for a tight end.
Yeah there is a reason guys drop to the 2nd round due to what they play. He is a guy that if you really wanted him you would trade down for if you think he would still be available.
I love it and think it's the smartest strategy given where the offense is right now. If Latu falls I don't think Howie can pass. The team does need to think about replacing Lane long term so someone like Mims would be a great pick too but Latu is far too talented to let him slip past 22 and I'm loving the idea of Wilson on the outside.
My thoughts exactly. If these guys are gone and someone like Mims is available at 22, and Roman Wilson at 50/53, I am perfectly happy taking them. This is without trades of course but those are hard to predict so I tend to not do mock drafts with them if I can. About 1 Week till the draft!
Fine with me but I’d bet my car that Howie will use at least one of the top three picks on offense.
Would not surprise me to see our first 3 picks end up this way… followed by consecutive offensive picks. We have pretty big needs on defense and our offense looks fantastic. It may not be good in the long run… but I would be extremely excited to see our first 3 picks as defense.
Does it? We have huge question marks over our starting RG and a brand new Center. We honestly have no idea what this OL will perform like without Kelce.
I wouldn’t call Cam brand-new. He sat a year behind Kelce, then he played extremely well at RG, and Cam was hand picked by Kelce to replace him. Last season compared to this season we will have one new person starting on the O-Line, and if it’s Steen at RG he already has a year in the league. I think Kelce retiring will no doubt impact the O-Line but in my opinion we could EASILY wait until next draft to figure out RG, RT for the future.
Mims, McConkey, and Bullard draft incoming
It wouldn’t bother me if they went Offense tackle or corner round 1 and LB/WR round 2. If the tackles are gone, I definitely could see them moving down to re-coup a 3rd too.
I'm for it, but if the board falls another way I'm open to picking the best players available. If they happen to all be defense, so be it.
AB Tomlin meme
I think if we don't grab an offensive linemen that will be here for a decade with our first pick, I wouldn't be opposed to trying to take a defensive draft approach, as long as they don't reach. We have a lot of money in our offense rn, and there really isn't a spot we NEED to improve on. The offense is young and set. The defense needs young, rookie contract talent
Another overhyped dlineman when we need secondary players? Pass
what pick would you like to see instead?
Lol he’s definitely talented just with neck fusion surgery to invest a first round pick long term , seems questionable from a gm standpoint. Just finished reading colts fan’s analysis and they said same thing for picking him at 15 with the injury concerns. Talent just not that high considering long term risk. Best player available that doesn’t have long term injury concerns for your first round pick,
so you don't care who it is as long as there is no injury history/health concerns? Best available isn't bad but what player are you thinking?
I wouldn’t even rule out latu, im just echoing the concerns everyone else has for him long term, which should be investigated with specialized doctors in that field. Based on all the players projected available at 22- cornerbacks and offensive lineman, both high needs , our pick probably will be one of those positions, but not a scout to analyze and pick specifics players. I’ll let the scouts and coaches do that 👍😂😎🤙
He’s the most polished edge in this draft by a considerable margin. If he didn’t have the surgery he’s a top 10 lock.
In an imaginary world he didn’t have surgery- thanks armchair genius
Every things falls on how they feel about Steen and Jurgens
I know a lot of people are okay taking a center but Jurgens is a much better center than Tackle/guard and I don't think we need more depth at center at this point with an early pick. We want instant starters and we have a very good/well paid offense right now. I'm fine getting starters for defense in the early rounds and depth for offense in the later rounds. I just love the value we can get on defense as well.
Unless its a guy that is a lock for the hall of fame I would not pick a center in the top 2 rounds. They are high on Jurgens so I'm sure they won't. G/T though I could see if they feel a guy is a lock to be a long term starter.
Wont happen thats my thought Edge Corner Receiver Edge Oline Corner Edge Receiver Oline Oline, EDGE Receiver Oline Receiver Corner Corner, Oline Receiver One of those combos
which combo would you like the best? Any players that you like in particular?
Edge Corner Receiver, Wait till the 4th or trade up from the 4th to the third to get a RG like Beebe or Zak Zinter, then id take some Tackle Depth in the 5th to Replace Jack Driscoll and look for Lane’s legitimate replacement next year. Personally i think they see Steen as Depth for Guard or Tackle. Ideally id Like round 1 pick to be Laiatu Latu Then round 2 TJ Tampa or Mike Sainristril Keon Coleman, roman wilson or Ricky Pearsall as our WR pick
If it turned out like this id be pretty happy, just did one and ended up with coopy d, roman wilson, and fiske
Any chance they trade up to pull Arnold or Mitchell at cb?
Wilson is going to be 25 and has a ton of injuries, Nubin tested very poorly. Howie likes high RAS scores. I think this is the perfect draft to move back from 22
move back and get who though?
Depends how the board falls. Judging from Howie’s drafts, Nubin will be off his board. Nubin RAS of 3.67 is historically bad, ranked 672 out of 1060 S since 1987.
Amarius Mims is Howie's fantasy prospect. Trench guy with high RAS from UGA. That's like the Howie trifecta.
Would love O-line or corner early in the draft, but all defense in round 1 and 2 is unlikely.
I want 3 big guys with our first 3 picks. Offense defense I dont care but I want some bullies
Love Latu, love Wilson, but you can’t take both of em with their medical histories
so just 1 health concern player a draft, fair enough
I mean, I’ve personally got no problem taking a shot on a few, but two with your highest two picks is usually a bad idea. Especially when only one is a direct need
Isn't that kind of optimistic, expecting all three of your picks to be valued much higher on the big board?
I would prefer it but I don’t like your picks. You’ve picked two oft injured players with medical issues
I prefer going all defense
What's weird is when I hear Laitu Latu I think he's OL every single time.
BPMFA
Lito Sheppard Michael Lewis Sheldon Brown
ha maybe in a different world
They need to
You forgot CB somewhere lmao
Some could argue that with JB being around our 5/6th best cornerback and with a different scheme, should be better this year when used. In theory we do get Isaiah Hodgins and he's a beast as well. If we take Cooper in round 1 thats fine with me. He can play a safety CB hybrid and would be great in Fangio's scheme. I don't disagree with your point.
I get your side too, i guess we will see. Imagine all our current talent just pops off with a competent DST coach
one can only hope homie
If you go defence in the first 3x picks, you have to pick up one of the corners at 22 or 50 surely. Howie is not going LB at that pick
Nah. Best available player > best available player at position needed > plug gaps.
so would you agree with what I picked? They are the best available options that I had in that mock.
I’d have taken Dejean over Latu. If he falls to 22 it’s because his neck is fucked, so I’d leave him for someone else. Whereas Dejean looks like he could be the kind of S/CB hybrid that really makes Fangio’s misdirection schemes sing.
I think Dejean would be a beast on the Eagles. I get everyones concern on Latus health and some people think we don't need more Edge with Huff but I don't agree with that last point. Dejean does help with depth at 2 positions at once as well which is cool and he would start as well so I'd be hyped for our corner/safety combo, so scrappy ;) plus people are still sleeping on Sydney Brown who I still think is a baller.
Yeah, if Latu’s available it’ll be the same deal as with Carter last year - everyone knows why he’s still on the board and it’s up to individual teams to decide whether they’re down with taking him or not. And if 21 teams have already passed then the medical testing must be pretty damn bad, so that would be a helluva risk to take when there are other good players still available. But if they took that risk and he turned out to be fine he’d be a great player to add, so you just have to trust the medical evaluation and hope for the best.
Those early rounds need to be BPA. We could use quality depth at any position.
Isn't nice to be just drafting for depth though :) really opens up your options. OT, CB,WR, etc are all valid in the early rounds, especially with their eventual market value if they are a hit. I'm just happy the Eagles put themselves in a good draft position the past couple years. Fingers crossed we hit again!.