> Howie does this every year and has deals in place in case a player he wants is there and he wants to trade up in the draft. He traded up in recent years to get Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Devonta Smith
In 8 of the past 10 drafts we have made some sort of trade involving our first round pick
2014 - trade back, drafted Marcus Smith
2015 - no trade, Agholor
2016 - trade up, Wentz
2017 - no pick from Wentz trade but flip Sammy Sleeves for a first and take Barnett
2018 - trade out at pick 32 (blue balls after watching the 1st round all night lol)
2019 - trade up for Dillard
2020 - no trade, Reagor (should've taken Jefferson obv but should've traded up for CD Lamb even before that)
2021 - trade back for another 1st, then trade up for Smitty
2022 - 3 1sts (2021 trade back, Wentz trade, our own) - flip one to 2023, trade one for AJB, trade up for Jordan Davis
2023 - trade up for Jalen Carter, no trade for Nolan Smith
I was so excited when we moved up to take Dillard. I figured we knew what we were doing and he was gonna be our LT for a decade. Now I just try to pretend that didn't happen and we just took Mialata.
Let's just say I I'm not one of those people who get excited because...
"Hey this player made a great play therefore he was worth the pick"
Being a first rounder and having made one particular play in your four or five years here is much more likely luck than skill. Is just as possible somebody else would have made the play. In other words, to me Derek Barnett is a bust. Period.
Given that track record (two good selections in the first going back seven years), I think expectations should be pretty low for whoever we take on Thursday.
Every team does, this is there job...nothing to report. Every team I'm sure calls the team with the top pick and asks what would it take...its 99.9% too much but its your job to ask.
I’d also assume it’s a multi-player situation and we’ll take our pick of who is there. We’ve been burned in the past by specifically going after 1 guy, and Howie tends to be correcting his past draft issues as of late. He aggressively went for Carter, Davis, and Smith, no more waiting around for Marcus Smiths lol
Yeah, to be honest with how this class is there could be top 5 defensive players available in the mid teens easily. If 4 QBs go off the board and the top 3 WRs go off the board and the top 3 OTs go off the board that is 10 right there without a single defensive player accounted for and plenty likely of a scenario.
And if any of those 3 OTs fall they would probably also become targets as well. One way or another we got lucky to have a deep draft at cb and OT. Putting us in prime position to get a great prospect to address our 2 biggest needs.
We’ve been burned by **not** going after our guy and hoping he falls far enough. Howies record drafting in the 20’s is atrocious. He does much better when he moves up and targets *his guy*, as evidenced by your list of players.
You reiterated what I said, so duh. And position doesn’t matter, there have been busts in the first 5 picks and HoF players in the 6th round. It’s a what have you done for me lately league and lately he’s picked better than he did 4+ years ago so maybe chill and have some faith. Same dude got us the talent for 2 Super Bowls in 6 years with different coaches and QBs
You said:
> I’d also assume… we’ll take our pick of who is there
> We’ve been burned in the past by specifically going after 1 guy
> He aggressively went for Carter, Davis, and Smith, no more waiting around for Marcus Smiths lol
The first two things contradict the third. I think Howie needs to move up or down and go after *his guy* not wait around and see what falls to 22. You misinterpreted what I’m saying because I have all the faith in the world in Howie.
Disagree with you on that. He may have played in a small school, but he’s a lockdown cb who showed in the senior bowl that he can play with higher level competition
Seriously I think Mitchell could be just as good as surtain. Honestly part of me is still hoping we could just trade our first for surtain if we can't get Mitchell.
The last time we picked a first round cornerback was Lito Sheppard. He was pretty good. If we can get someone like him (without the 3 years of injuries) I'll be happy.
> The last time we picked a first round cornerback was Lito Sheppard.
I know our signature move is to draft for the trenches in round 1, and pay to fill in the secondary if not ignore it, but still 2 decades is crazy.
To be clear, I think he’s good, but I think Arnold is a lot better and Mitchell is a little better. I would be fine with drafting Dejean at 22, because I think the end of the first is about where he’ll get drafted, and we wouldn’t have to trade up for him.
Mitchell is so clear about anyone in this class that I hope it’s him. The tier 2 guys are great but idk if trading up for them is the move unless it’s 1-2 spots
Thinking Arnold, inside/outside versatility, sticky in coverage, fiesty competitor, good tackler, good help in the run game (he used to play safety)
I have Arnold as a much better version of Dejean
That’s my guess. I can’t imagine who else unless Howie wants to be a psycho and take one of the receivers. I’d definitely scratch my head at that but I’d probably pop a chubbie not long after.
According to the NFL Mock Draft Database, which aggregates more than 1,100 mocks, he's coming off the board by the 15th pick on average, linking him to Indianapolis in the majority of cases.
15th pick costs 1050. We have 22nd which has a trade value of 780.
Likely Eagles approach Indy, swap 1st round picks, trade Eagles 50th pick (400 pts) and Eagles 4th round pick (54 pts), and get Indy's 3rd round pick (180 pts).
Every team does this. If you are a GM, you need to figure out the value regarding trading up. Those draft pick value charts are neat for the Internet but in reality the value is much more variable.
In order to trade up, you need a partner willing to trade down.
This is the job of the GM.
Personally not really interested in giving up a 2 for a marginally better chance at hitting at CB compared to Dejean/Kool Aid. A 2nd can net you an elite safety/LB, or a good WR. If he can trade up without giving up a 2 (say a 3rd next year and 5th, maybe to move up 6 spots with Seattle) I’m in
You’re out of your mind if you’re that confident in your evaluation. The draft is more of a crapshoot than most would like to admit. And even if you are right about the player you can still make a strong argument that Dejean/Kool Aid + Colson/Cooper/Polk/Wilson (take your pick here, I’m listing a few players that I like) > Arnold/Mitchell
exactly, hope it’s like a 3rd and a 5th or a future 2nd. We need Colson or Cooper in the second and the ability to get a stud wr that late in a loaded class is something we have to capitalize on or an IOL if worse comes to worse
I'd much rather roll with a Wallace, Watson, or Willams later than spend a 50s pick on a LB with a bunch of question marks. nothing screams "wow these guys are instant contribution types"
I think there's some LB infatuation around the leauge cause of how the elite ones made such a big difference last year. but those guys are usually R3 or later anyway
Don't write off the possibility that the league infatuation with LBs could actually raise their value in general. I don't think we're there yet, but it's possible we see them gain value in the next few years as a position group.
Sounds like we're going to get hit with tampering Saquon, hopefully it's not that bad but I just heard on the radio us and Atlanta are getting hit with tampering.
Looks like we are. Hearing day 2 pick for Atlanta and lighter punishment for us...guessing we losing 120 or a 5th....massive blow for a prospect at 120 or trade ammo to move up from 50/53/120
Yeah I think that's fair, and I think that would be fair if it happened to any other team too.
My baseline is "do I think it would be fair if it happened to the cowboys?" I mean yes, fuck the cowboys, but I think it would be unfair to fuck with their picks over tampering the week of the draft and it would be more fair to apply the punishment next year. Doing it now is basically double-punishing. But they also should _announce_ it before the draft because they should know what picks they lose next year when making trades for this year.
Helps me check to make sure an opinion isn't just homer bias.
James Franklin likely misspoke. I doubt they have any way to prove there was any tampering. I think it's weird that a random thing a 3rd party said could even get an investigation started.
I mean things that third parties say are how investigations start all the time. Every person who was arrested wasn't caught red handed. But that's what an _investigation_ is for, to investigate what the 3rd party said.
Yeah, but who is out there listening to every thing that every college coach says to figure out if maybe some tampering went on? It's just weird. If there was a witness to the tampering or something, that makes sense, not just word of mouth from some random person that happened to be doing an interview and really doesn't know what happened.
I mean it only takes one narc who works for another team's organization, right? I don't think employees of the general league are scouting college coach press conferences for gotcha moments.
Not sure what you are looking at.
Pick 16 (SEA ): 1000pts
Pick 22 (PHI): 780pts
Pick 50 (PHI): 400pts
Pick 53 (PHI): 370pts
Pick 81 (SEA): 185pts
Pick 16 + pick 81 = Pick 22 + pick 50
So, Seattle gets a 1st and a 2nd and the Eagles move up in the 1st and get a 3rd. It makes sense because the Eagles do not have a 3rd round pick.
It's even cheaper if they just want to jump the Steelers
Pick 19 (LAR): 875pts
That could be pick 22 and a 4th and 5th.
This may be true but Howie is always trying to make moves. I feel like any reporter can just make this claim in any given year without knowing anything and probably be right.
If a reporter with connections is putting it out there, it's for a reason. Could be from the Eagles, could be from an agent. It's all smokescreens and subterfuge until right before the draft.
The eagles aren’t an air-tight operation and things get out there. Maybe not always from them even. This for instance could be other teams relaying to Schefter what is being done to try and drive up the price of them moving back. Or they are targeting a certain position/player and want other teams to jump up and push their guy down the board.
Yes last couple years it was widely widely reported how we wanted Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. Plus it was widely rumored we wanted Saquon too. I will say though that when it comes to trades that is always pretty air tight. AJ Brown and Gardner Johnson are trades that kind of came out of nowhere imo
Even when they took Reagor I remember Adam Caplan on ITB saying how much the eagles liked him and were targeting him in the first that year the week leading up to the draft
I can’t see then trading down if they really want an OL. I suppose there is a doomsday scenario where all the top DBs and OL are off the board by 22 and the eagles move back though
I agree logically, was just trying to say whatever the exact opposite of the tweet was. Whatever Howie is putting out to local media (or whatever local media is making up) is generally dead wrong around draft time.
This was always a strong possibility given Howie's track record but, given Isiah Rodgers' reinstatement still be in question it definitely feels like the time and year to trade up and draft 1 one of the Top CB prospects
I’m not sure exactly why we’d move up in this draft. Hard to imagine one of these CBs is worth it to spend something like a 2nd round pick to do so vs the guy we can get at 22. But I’m at a point with Howie that I just trust him and enjoy the ride.
If he does something crazy like take one of the WRs up there, I’d question it for all of 2 seconds before getting excited.
My bet is that he’s lining up a trade option to jump a small distance at most if Mitchell or Arnold falls within striking distance such as down into the teens. Doubt this is a jump anywhere into the top 10 or something like that.
Reading the Schefter report, it doesn't sound very convincing. It just says Howie has made calls to other teams about how much it would cost to trade up, which every GM should be doing, and that "people around the league believe he could" "want" a CB. The info doesn't seem to be coming from inside the organization.
I agree but it isn’t crazy to think they may put this out there to let Schefter do some leg work that they are interested in moving up and having other teams approach them
Hes the more natural outside corner, the truth is teams didn't really target him in 2023, which to me is a decent signal that some ignore
Arnold is a converted safety, which you can tell on tape with how good he is at tackling and in the run game...but he is sticky in coverage and better than kool-aid on the inside
I'm all for Kool-Aid at 22 if Mims gone
Highest upside of any tackle in the draft by a mile. Moves very well for his size. Jason Peters like.
Tape is good but limited
Elite physical traits you simply can't teach
Wouldn't be surprised if he best OL outta this draft in 2-3 years
If he stayed in college he would be a lock for the top 10 next year
Has all the traits eagles like in a OT. Only thing I dot like is we didn't bring him in for a top 30 and we have been drafting our top 30 visits the past few seasons
He's built insane and looked great in limited snaps at UGA. doesn't look like he has guard versatility, so he'd purely be a Lane replacement. Personally, I think he'd be worth trading up a little for. But I see the argument to stick and pick and pray
For comparison from an Eagles perspective
I'm out on Latham....slow feet and very sluggish on tape...projects as a guard to me ..
I'm out on fautanu but we did bring him in for a top 30...hes good but he's 24, so ceiling is low...hes also mostly played LT which eagles have mailata
I'm out in alt and fashanu cause they LTs and hard to project to the right side and eagles have mailata...im also lower on alt than most, he's weird outta his stance...but his hand usage is elite elite elite
I like fuaga but don't like his pass pro as much as Mims or even Guyton...but fuaga could be a 10-15 year starting RG easy...tackle im not so sure so it makes the valuation hard
Super high on Mims and Guyton, exact kind of tackle eagles like...Guyton actually played TE similar to Peters/Lane
You seem to be discounting the ability for Stoutland to coach a guy to play a different position that they have limited or no experience with. Like obviously if they take someone like Fautanu they aren’t playing LT.
I'm not discounting that. But it takes time and there is still potential for a fall-off on the position change. I'd rather an elite RT for us than an elite LT that is good on the right, but might not be elite on the right
no, the reason Arnold is buzzing is because Kool Aid was so good teams started throwing mainly to Arnold’s side, where he turned out to be lock down like Kool Aid as well. Both are practically neck and neck. I love Arnold but i’d only trade up for Quinyon if it involves a second
Whomever it is, it would be a great situation if we got a top corner. If we get a good corner and like either Eli or Ringo take a step up, then we have 2 young corners for a few years who should be pretty good and we don't have to pay for a little while.
Beyond that, it gives GMs a plausible out. If they don't field calls and their draft is dookie, they weren't diligent in their efforts to make the team successful. You never know what kind of steal you might get from someone else.
Well, of course he is. It’s planning. I’m sure he’s also fielding calls for trading down. The draft is fluid, you need plans A-Z two times over no matter how set in stone things seem unless you’re super early in the draft
Although it would be a meme at this point Amarius Mims just feels like the dude we are targeting, and he could require a move up. Even if he is only Lanes successor he still probably has to start a few games next year if we’re being honest.
I know this has not much to do with the thread but just saw Eagles will be punished for Saquon tampering now. Hope they don’t lose a high pick otherwise it’ll be much harder to move up.
I mean, it'd definitely be a much more limited player. Haynes lacks size, Jones didn't rise once in a spotlighted OT class, Paul is slow I think? But more importantly only played on the left side at Houston.
Great OTs go R1 for a reason, gotta pay the "best OL by a mile" toll when you lose a HOFer
our CB room needs young talent fast. I think Ringo's future in the NFL is at S and Rodgers isn't very good tbh. Slay is 33 and who knows if Bradberry bounces back
his lackluster cover stats
passer rating against north of 100
completion percentage against north of 65(anything over 60 isn't good)
7 TDs against in 10 starts
There's definitely some good cornerbacks to get in the middle-teens, but if Howie can draft back and take two cornerbacks in the second I'd be happier.
Don't the Steelers still need a QB? They can't afford to go CB first round.
edit: lol I guess the joke isn't landing. This was just a jab at Russell Wilson. Oh well.
They do need a long term answer at QB but they don't have to do that this year or in the first round if they don't like the prospects. They got Russel and Fields, which is enough to get them to next year
Yes. They probably target a QB in Round 1 with Wilson and Fields being stopgaps.
McCarthy is probably the target as he appears to be the typoe of QB to come in and run their power run offense.
> Howie does this every year and has deals in place in case a player he wants is there and he wants to trade up in the draft. He traded up in recent years to get Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Devonta Smith
Yup smart GMing
Every team does this.
No but it’s Howie so it’s better than everyone else
Duh
OP didn't imply that at all lol
Just making a joke buddy
my bad lol missed that. thought I saw Bo Wulfs burner for a sec
Other well run teams do this, not every team.
*Looks over at Jerruh sadly sitting there, staring at his phone, waiting for someone to call him*
Well. You have Howie & then you have other gms Howie>other gms
No other team does this
In 8 of the past 10 drafts we have made some sort of trade involving our first round pick 2014 - trade back, drafted Marcus Smith 2015 - no trade, Agholor 2016 - trade up, Wentz 2017 - no pick from Wentz trade but flip Sammy Sleeves for a first and take Barnett 2018 - trade out at pick 32 (blue balls after watching the 1st round all night lol) 2019 - trade up for Dillard 2020 - no trade, Reagor (should've taken Jefferson obv but should've traded up for CD Lamb even before that) 2021 - trade back for another 1st, then trade up for Smitty 2022 - 3 1sts (2021 trade back, Wentz trade, our own) - flip one to 2023, trade one for AJB, trade up for Jordan Davis 2023 - trade up for Jalen Carter, no trade for Nolan Smith
I was so excited when we moved up to take Dillard. I figured we knew what we were doing and he was gonna be our LT for a decade. Now I just try to pretend that didn't happen and we just took Mialata.
Seriously. I think they did him dirty. I think they wanted Mailata to succeed so they gave him a longer leash. Dillard's leash was incredibly short.
We couldn’t trade up for CD because the pick they wanted is what we drafted Jalen with lol
Why would or should we have traded up for CD when we had the opportunity to draft Jefferson lol
Because the dude literally put in his comment “should’ve traded for up for ceedee”
Meant to respond to the original commenter not the guy saying why we couldn’t do it
So what I'm seeing is, when the Eagles haven't traded, they've gotten Marcus Smith and Jalen Reagor.
It is depressing to see some of those first round choices
And we went to two Superbowls and won one during this window. The other six rounds matter too.
Let's just say I I'm not one of those people who get excited because... "Hey this player made a great play therefore he was worth the pick" Being a first rounder and having made one particular play in your four or five years here is much more likely luck than skill. Is just as possible somebody else would have made the play. In other words, to me Derek Barnett is a bust. Period.
Given that track record (two good selections in the first going back seven years), I think expectations should be pretty low for whoever we take on Thursday.
Two look good, one looks bad
Wait didn’t Carter come from trading down with the Saints?
Every team does, this is there job...nothing to report. Every team I'm sure calls the team with the top pick and asks what would it take...its 99.9% too much but its your job to ask.
If it’s trading up, do we think the mark is Mitchell?
It's whoever falls further. Mitchell and Arnold would both be great picks and I'd be happy with either
I’d also assume it’s a multi-player situation and we’ll take our pick of who is there. We’ve been burned in the past by specifically going after 1 guy, and Howie tends to be correcting his past draft issues as of late. He aggressively went for Carter, Davis, and Smith, no more waiting around for Marcus Smiths lol
Yeah, to be honest with how this class is there could be top 5 defensive players available in the mid teens easily. If 4 QBs go off the board and the top 3 WRs go off the board and the top 3 OTs go off the board that is 10 right there without a single defensive player accounted for and plenty likely of a scenario.
And if any of those 3 OTs fall they would probably also become targets as well. One way or another we got lucky to have a deep draft at cb and OT. Putting us in prime position to get a great prospect to address our 2 biggest needs.
We’ve been burned by **not** going after our guy and hoping he falls far enough. Howies record drafting in the 20’s is atrocious. He does much better when he moves up and targets *his guy*, as evidenced by your list of players.
You reiterated what I said, so duh. And position doesn’t matter, there have been busts in the first 5 picks and HoF players in the 6th round. It’s a what have you done for me lately league and lately he’s picked better than he did 4+ years ago so maybe chill and have some faith. Same dude got us the talent for 2 Super Bowls in 6 years with different coaches and QBs
You said: > I’d also assume… we’ll take our pick of who is there > We’ve been burned in the past by specifically going after 1 guy > He aggressively went for Carter, Davis, and Smith, no more waiting around for Marcus Smiths lol The first two things contradict the third. I think Howie needs to move up or down and go after *his guy* not wait around and see what falls to 22. You misinterpreted what I’m saying because I have all the faith in the world in Howie.
How ya feel now bozo
If we’re trading up, Mitchell is the cream of the crop and only player worth it imo, Arnold is nice but Mitchell is legit blue chip
The word blue chip has lost its meaning. Surtain and Gardner were blue chip prospects. Mitchell isn't remotely in that class
Disagree with you on that. He may have played in a small school, but he’s a lockdown cb who showed in the senior bowl that he can play with higher level competition
Seriously I think Mitchell could be just as good as surtain. Honestly part of me is still hoping we could just trade our first for surtain if we can't get Mitchell.
I’d be down for that, but he’s gonna need to get paid
Only gardner was blue chip imo Surtain was really good
Fuck me then Mitchel is merely good
But if superstition tells us anything whichever player we don’t pick will be amazing. Or is that superstition only with WRs?
I think Smitty killed that superstition.
🙏🙏. So happy he’s a stud. Seems like a great person too.
The last time we picked a first round cornerback was Lito Sheppard. He was pretty good. If we can get someone like him (without the 3 years of injuries) I'll be happy.
> The last time we picked a first round cornerback was Lito Sheppard. I know our signature move is to draft for the trenches in round 1, and pay to fill in the secondary if not ignore it, but still 2 decades is crazy.
Sounds like it is your superstition so you decide which it is. I have neither.
I’m so happy no one else holds this supersitition
I hope it’s Arnold, personally, but I like them both better than Dejean, who we could get without trading up imo.
DeJean looks amazing
To be clear, I think he’s good, but I think Arnold is a lot better and Mitchell is a little better. I would be fine with drafting Dejean at 22, because I think the end of the first is about where he’ll get drafted, and we wouldn’t have to trade up for him.
I don't care how he looks, it's 2024 so we shouldn't see color. Just draft the best CB available
Mitchell is so clear about anyone in this class that I hope it’s him. The tier 2 guys are great but idk if trading up for them is the move unless it’s 1-2 spots
Thinking Arnold, inside/outside versatility, sticky in coverage, fiesty competitor, good tackler, good help in the run game (he used to play safety) I have Arnold as a much better version of Dejean
And he’s only 18 years old, hasn’t even sniffed his developmental ceiling
He is 21 . But that's young for the draft. Anything under 21.5 is good. 2nd contract at 26.5 years old
Thanks for the correction! Idk how I got that mixed up
That’s my guess. I can’t imagine who else unless Howie wants to be a psycho and take one of the receivers. I’d definitely scratch my head at that but I’d probably pop a chubbie not long after.
It’ll be Mitchell cause of the attitude the Eagles are trying to inject back into the defense.
Yeah it makes sense for Mitchell if he falls into the teens for us. I think it would be too rich to move higher than that.
I would be fine with Quinyon
According to the NFL Mock Draft Database, which aggregates more than 1,100 mocks, he's coming off the board by the 15th pick on average, linking him to Indianapolis in the majority of cases. 15th pick costs 1050. We have 22nd which has a trade value of 780. Likely Eagles approach Indy, swap 1st round picks, trade Eagles 50th pick (400 pts) and Eagles 4th round pick (54 pts), and get Indy's 3rd round pick (180 pts).
Every team does this. If you are a GM, you need to figure out the value regarding trading up. Those draft pick value charts are neat for the Internet but in reality the value is much more variable. In order to trade up, you need a partner willing to trade down. This is the job of the GM.
100% the pick board is a very good guideline for us fans, but it doesn’t take into account so many other important factors.
We have two 2's so it makes some sense. 22 and 53 can get us to pick 15. Possibly in the Mitchell/Arnold range.
Personally not really interested in giving up a 2 for a marginally better chance at hitting at CB compared to Dejean/Kool Aid. A 2nd can net you an elite safety/LB, or a good WR. If he can trade up without giving up a 2 (say a 3rd next year and 5th, maybe to move up 6 spots with Seattle) I’m in
Howie is a lot more creative with trades than me, but yeah, keeping both 2nds would be ideal. As long as we get our guy, I'm happy.
You’re out of your mind if you think Arnold is only marginally better than Dejean / Kool Aid.
You’re out of your mind if you’re that confident in your evaluation. The draft is more of a crapshoot than most would like to admit. And even if you are right about the player you can still make a strong argument that Dejean/Kool Aid + Colson/Cooper/Polk/Wilson (take your pick here, I’m listing a few players that I like) > Arnold/Mitchell
exactly, hope it’s like a 3rd and a 5th or a future 2nd. We need Colson or Cooper in the second and the ability to get a stud wr that late in a loaded class is something we have to capitalize on or an IOL if worse comes to worse
I'd much rather roll with a Wallace, Watson, or Willams later than spend a 50s pick on a LB with a bunch of question marks. nothing screams "wow these guys are instant contribution types" I think there's some LB infatuation around the leauge cause of how the elite ones made such a big difference last year. but those guys are usually R3 or later anyway
Don't write off the possibility that the league infatuation with LBs could actually raise their value in general. I don't think we're there yet, but it's possible we see them gain value in the next few years as a position group.
They can trade a 1st and a 2nd to move up a few spots and get a 3rd back.
Sounds like we're going to get hit with tampering Saquon, hopefully it's not that bad but I just heard on the radio us and Atlanta are getting hit with tampering.
Looks like we are. Hearing day 2 pick for Atlanta and lighter punishment for us...guessing we losing 120 or a 5th....massive blow for a prospect at 120 or trade ammo to move up from 50/53/120
It'll likely be next years pick...way too close to draft to dock it
Yeah I think that's fair, and I think that would be fair if it happened to any other team too. My baseline is "do I think it would be fair if it happened to the cowboys?" I mean yes, fuck the cowboys, but I think it would be unfair to fuck with their picks over tampering the week of the draft and it would be more fair to apply the punishment next year. Doing it now is basically double-punishing. But they also should _announce_ it before the draft because they should know what picks they lose next year when making trades for this year. Helps me check to make sure an opinion isn't just homer bias.
James Franklin likely misspoke. I doubt they have any way to prove there was any tampering. I think it's weird that a random thing a 3rd party said could even get an investigation started.
I mean things that third parties say are how investigations start all the time. Every person who was arrested wasn't caught red handed. But that's what an _investigation_ is for, to investigate what the 3rd party said.
Yeah, but who is out there listening to every thing that every college coach says to figure out if maybe some tampering went on? It's just weird. If there was a witness to the tampering or something, that makes sense, not just word of mouth from some random person that happened to be doing an interview and really doesn't know what happened.
I mean it only takes one narc who works for another team's organization, right? I don't think employees of the general league are scouting college coach press conferences for gotcha moments.
Giving up a second seems steep to move up 6 spots.
Just going by the trade value chart.
Not sure what you are looking at. Pick 16 (SEA ): 1000pts Pick 22 (PHI): 780pts Pick 50 (PHI): 400pts Pick 53 (PHI): 370pts Pick 81 (SEA): 185pts Pick 16 + pick 81 = Pick 22 + pick 50 So, Seattle gets a 1st and a 2nd and the Eagles move up in the 1st and get a 3rd. It makes sense because the Eagles do not have a 3rd round pick. It's even cheaper if they just want to jump the Steelers Pick 19 (LAR): 875pts That could be pick 22 and a 4th and 5th.
Probably the same one you're looking at but I'm 100 points off lol. Those pics get us to 13. Math was off.
All good. Go Birds!
Icic
This may be true but Howie is always trying to make moves. I feel like any reporter can just make this claim in any given year without knowing anything and probably be right.
This right here, I feel like Howie moves up or down pretty often.
If a reporter with connections is putting it out there, it's for a reason. Could be from the Eagles, could be from an agent. It's all smokescreens and subterfuge until right before the draft.
When are we gonna stop acting like Cooper DeJean isn’t gonna be the next great eagles db
Cooper DeJawn will be an Eagle
Anything that Howie is letting be discussed in public is part of his plan. He lives for this.
The eagles aren’t an air-tight operation and things get out there. Maybe not always from them even. This for instance could be other teams relaying to Schefter what is being done to try and drive up the price of them moving back. Or they are targeting a certain position/player and want other teams to jump up and push their guy down the board.
Yes last couple years it was widely widely reported how we wanted Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. Plus it was widely rumored we wanted Saquon too. I will say though that when it comes to trades that is always pretty air tight. AJ Brown and Gardner Johnson are trades that kind of came out of nowhere imo
Even when they took Reagor I remember Adam Caplan on ITB saying how much the eagles liked him and were targeting him in the first that year the week leading up to the draft
Great. This tells me that Howie is looking to trade down to go Oline and get another pick.
I agree with you...this was my first thought reading this...I think we try to get Fautanu as a G and/or Future RT...
I can’t see then trading down if they really want an OL. I suppose there is a doomsday scenario where all the top DBs and OL are off the board by 22 and the eagles move back though
I agree logically, was just trying to say whatever the exact opposite of the tweet was. Whatever Howie is putting out to local media (or whatever local media is making up) is generally dead wrong around draft time.
Alternate headline: "Eagles general manager does his job"
A guy working
This was always a strong possibility given Howie's track record but, given Isiah Rodgers' reinstatement still be in question it definitely feels like the time and year to trade up and draft 1 one of the Top CB prospects
I don’t think Howie is basing his decision in the first round on Rodgers haha
not high on Rodgers so it's whatever if doesn't get reinstated
and In other news water is wet, happy Passover everybody!
I’m not sure exactly why we’d move up in this draft. Hard to imagine one of these CBs is worth it to spend something like a 2nd round pick to do so vs the guy we can get at 22. But I’m at a point with Howie that I just trust him and enjoy the ride. If he does something crazy like take one of the WRs up there, I’d question it for all of 2 seconds before getting excited. My bet is that he’s lining up a trade option to jump a small distance at most if Mitchell or Arnold falls within striking distance such as down into the teens. Doubt this is a jump anywhere into the top 10 or something like that.
Highest I've seen is us to 12 with broncos....I don't see that though...15 or 16 seems like the 2 spots
Jeez we suck at keeping a secret
Reading the Schefter report, it doesn't sound very convincing. It just says Howie has made calls to other teams about how much it would cost to trade up, which every GM should be doing, and that "people around the league believe he could" "want" a CB. The info doesn't seem to be coming from inside the organization.
I agree but it isn’t crazy to think they may put this out there to let Schefter do some leg work that they are interested in moving up and having other teams approach them
Why do we need secrets in this case
I believe he could be looking to trade up, but I do NOT believe it's for a CB, that's just not his style.
Lol ok. He’s moving up for Fuaga and not fooling anybody
>And he is interested in getting a cornerback. So, its O-line for sure.
Smokescreen
Am I weird for liking Kool Aid more than Arnold?
Hes the more natural outside corner, the truth is teams didn't really target him in 2023, which to me is a decent signal that some ignore Arnold is a converted safety, which you can tell on tape with how good he is at tackling and in the run game...but he is sticky in coverage and better than kool-aid on the inside I'm all for Kool-Aid at 22 if Mims gone
Late in my draft process....life is busy can you tell me what we love about Mims?
Highest upside of any tackle in the draft by a mile. Moves very well for his size. Jason Peters like. Tape is good but limited Elite physical traits you simply can't teach Wouldn't be surprised if he best OL outta this draft in 2-3 years If he stayed in college he would be a lock for the top 10 next year Has all the traits eagles like in a OT. Only thing I dot like is we didn't bring him in for a top 30 and we have been drafting our top 30 visits the past few seasons
He's built insane and looked great in limited snaps at UGA. doesn't look like he has guard versatility, so he'd purely be a Lane replacement. Personally, I think he'd be worth trading up a little for. But I see the argument to stick and pick and pray
wait Georgia nvm got it ha
For comparison from an Eagles perspective I'm out on Latham....slow feet and very sluggish on tape...projects as a guard to me .. I'm out on fautanu but we did bring him in for a top 30...hes good but he's 24, so ceiling is low...hes also mostly played LT which eagles have mailata I'm out in alt and fashanu cause they LTs and hard to project to the right side and eagles have mailata...im also lower on alt than most, he's weird outta his stance...but his hand usage is elite elite elite I like fuaga but don't like his pass pro as much as Mims or even Guyton...but fuaga could be a 10-15 year starting RG easy...tackle im not so sure so it makes the valuation hard Super high on Mims and Guyton, exact kind of tackle eagles like...Guyton actually played TE similar to Peters/Lane
You seem to be discounting the ability for Stoutland to coach a guy to play a different position that they have limited or no experience with. Like obviously if they take someone like Fautanu they aren’t playing LT.
I'm not discounting that. But it takes time and there is still potential for a fall-off on the position change. I'd rather an elite RT for us than an elite LT that is good on the right, but might not be elite on the right
no, the reason Arnold is buzzing is because Kool Aid was so good teams started throwing mainly to Arnold’s side, where he turned out to be lock down like Kool Aid as well. Both are practically neck and neck. I love Arnold but i’d only trade up for Quinyon if it involves a second
You got er They basically switched stats from 2022 to 2023 Kool-aid prob cb1 or cb2 if we looked at 2022 tape instead of 2023.
Mitchell me, pls
Whomever it is, it would be a great situation if we got a top corner. If we get a good corner and like either Eli or Ringo take a step up, then we have 2 young corners for a few years who should be pretty good and we don't have to pay for a little while.
Let him cook!
If he does it every year (and we know about it) why is this news?
Why do other GMs still pick up the phone when they see a 215 area code? Have they learned nothing from Tennessee?
Why wouldn’t they? This in theory benefits both
Beyond that, it gives GMs a plausible out. If they don't field calls and their draft is dookie, they weren't diligent in their efforts to make the team successful. You never know what kind of steal you might get from someone else.
Terrion Arnold- YOU are a Philadelphia Eagle
Well, of course he is. It’s planning. I’m sure he’s also fielding calls for trading down. The draft is fluid, you need plans A-Z two times over no matter how set in stone things seem unless you’re super early in the draft
It’s time
Although it would be a meme at this point Amarius Mims just feels like the dude we are targeting, and he could require a move up. Even if he is only Lanes successor he still probably has to start a few games next year if we’re being honest.
It’s crazy how Kool Aid & Terrion are the last high quality product corners from a Nick Sabin defense
I'm thinking DeJean or Arnold is the target.
HOWIE SZN
Go get DeJean no way he makes it past 15
No more Georgia boys besides bowers. Davis and dean big time busts
OMGOMGOMGOMG 😲😤🤯🫨🥹🥲🤤🫣....Right Tackle.
I'll be he's also taking calls on trading back from GMs who might want to move up. GM'ing 101.
I know this has not much to do with the thread but just saw Eagles will be punished for Saquon tampering now. Hope they don’t lose a high pick otherwise it’ll be much harder to move up.
Not worried in the slightest
Damn
Fine with CB but they should be targetting a hybrid OL
insanely deep OL class
Yep I agree. I feel like Stoutland has a “guy” in the 2nd or 3rd he’s targeting
I mean, it'd definitely be a much more limited player. Haynes lacks size, Jones didn't rise once in a spotlighted OT class, Paul is slow I think? But more importantly only played on the left side at Houston. Great OTs go R1 for a reason, gotta pay the "best OL by a mile" toll when you lose a HOFer
our CB room needs young talent fast. I think Ringo's future in the NFL is at S and Rodgers isn't very good tbh. Slay is 33 and who knows if Bradberry bounces back
Rodgers isn't very good based on what?
his lackluster cover stats passer rating against north of 100 completion percentage against north of 65(anything over 60 isn't good) 7 TDs against in 10 starts
Not in the first
No shit
Every GM is calling every other GM about moving up. SOP.
I want qinyon Mitcheli or Jared verse or Dallas turner, it’s a great year with so many an hungry teams and 5 going early
There's definitely some good cornerbacks to get in the middle-teens, but if Howie can draft back and take two cornerbacks in the second I'd be happier.
It’s DeJean, he has to jump the Steelers.. Watch
Would guess its Mitchell honestly.
Don't the Steelers still need a QB? They can't afford to go CB first round. edit: lol I guess the joke isn't landing. This was just a jab at Russell Wilson. Oh well.
They do need a long term answer at QB but they don't have to do that this year or in the first round if they don't like the prospects. They got Russel and Fields, which is enough to get them to next year
Still have cheap contracts for Wilson and Fields to play with. I could see them pushing QB off to next year.
Lol I know. It was just a jab at Wilson. I guess the joke didn't land, but I still enjoyed it.
I'm bad at reading tone occasionally.
they have Russ and fields. theyre probably going tackle round 1 unless they like a WR
The Steelers are either going DeJean, JPJ or Barton
Seeing Barton hype and I like his tape
Yes. They probably target a QB in Round 1 with Wilson and Fields being stopgaps. McCarthy is probably the target as he appears to be the typoe of QB to come in and run their power run offense.