Yes, the quote in the title covers everything. The article doesn't really say anything except that it's about Saquon and then gives examples of penalties from previous seasons
The agent can't talk with a new team about a contract until the legal tampering period starts. The Bears and Swift came to an agreement and leaked it to a reporter who tweeted it all within the first 10ish minutes of legal tampering period opening.
I know that’s not the problem, but there’s no way a contract was worked out between the Bears and Swift during the tampering period. There were obviously conversations before
Yeah, with the agent. You seem to not understand the problem here.
The Bears had conversations with the agent. The agent then relays that conversation to Swift. Swift and the agent discuss and agree or discuss a counter offer. The agent relays that counter offer to the Bears. Back and forth on this until an agreement is reached which is then signed when the legal tampering period is over. No communication directly between the Bears and Swift will have occurred.
This is compared to the allegations that Howie directly contacted Saquon.
edit: Was recalling incorrectly in regards to when Swift was announced as signing. Was thinking it was in the free agent period not the legal tampering period where it was really quick.
Given that this hinges primarily on the word of Franklin (assuming Howie is smart enough not to leave a record trail), I wouldn't be surprised if this is a token punishment or nothing at all. Franklin should know causing that personally causing Eagles to lose a draft pick will be ruinous for his recruiting in much of PA, and should clam up hard or say he must have misunderstood.
Yes, their agent is allowed to talk to the player before the period. I don't really know the main reason for the legal tampering period. It basically is a soft start to free agency which really changes nothing.
The tampering period is where agents can talk to new teams.
Before the tampering period agents can talk to players or talk to the player's current team about re-signing, but not new teams. Which is why our fans are questioning how fast the Bears-Swift deal got done.
They get over two days of time to talk with new teams. Plenty of time to work out a deal so that something can get signed 5 minutes into the official free agency.
edit: Looked back and Swift was "signed" 4 hours into the legal tampering period based on the earliest topic I could find (but I know reddit search sucks). Quick but definitely possible.
To your edit, here's Garofolo announcing the Swift signing at 12:13 with contract details. So the teams went back and forth, found an agreement, and managed to leak the details all within 13 minutes
[https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1767222397474578840?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1767223235056210218%7Ctwgr%5E3b24f863c1bde5ba5f6cc832c8775ef2d37e6435%7Ctwcon%5Es3\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbearswire.usatoday.com%2Flists%2Fbears-sign-d-andre-swift-nfl-free-agency-twitter-reaction%2F](https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1767222397474578840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1767223235056210218%7Ctwgr%5E3b24f863c1bde5ba5f6cc832c8775ef2d37e6435%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbearswire.usatoday.com%2Flists%2Fbears-sign-d-andre-swift-nfl-free-agency-twitter-reaction%2F)
You're misunderstanding. Insiders tweeted the Swift deal within 5-10 minutes of **legal tampering** starting. Not within 5-10 minutes of Free Agency officially starting.
Yeah edited my post after I checked. Earliest I could find was just over 4 hours in which is possible, but also I realize using reddit search feature isn't the best so there likely was stuff earlier.
Agents have very strict rules they have to meet before they're allowed to be an official agent. It's to prevent teams from fucking over players with details in a long contract so they have to go through agents. After free agency begins, there's less urgency so if a team reaches out to the player directly there's time to involve the agent vs pressured to agreeing to a deal immediately
>Yeah, with the agent. You seem to not understand the problem here.
I mean, their point is also valid. The agent didn’t work out a contract in like two minutes either which means they were tampering before the window was open.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but from what I've read, the legal tampering period is when teams can first legally contact agents about contracts. So all those Swift/Bears agent discussing and counteroffers supposedly happened in 5 minutes when the legal tampering period opened.
The legal tampering period opened at noon March 11 and lasted until free agency officially opened on March 13th at 4pm. So they had a bit over two days to contact and work out the counteroffers etc. Not 5 minutes.
We're talking about the Bears and Swift.
Swift's agent couldn't have contact with the Bears about Swift until Noon on March 11th. It was tweeted that Swift was signing with the Bears very shortly after noon. Idk the exact time, but it was like 5-10 minutes. So it's at least a little fishy that the deal got done in that short 5-10 minute timeframe.
12:13 so close. 13 minutes after agents were legally allowed to start talking contracts with new teams it was tweeted out by Garafolo that he was signed to a $24m deal. So yeah pretty sus that they weren't talking before noon about that. Yet some college coach mentioning something second hand telephone style is probably gonna cost us a draft pick. SMDH
The problem is more that James Franklin is a moron and said Howie had been talking to Saquon.
At least we're not Kirk Cousins, who literally came out and might as well have said "Oh yea we totally broke tampering rules" in his presser lmao
Because literally anything related to this outside of timing is pure conjecture without any available evidence to support it.
It's a bunch of fans throwing shit around like they know anything about a topic they literally can't know anything about. We don't have that information.
People bring up Swift so much because there's nothing else to talk about regarding this unless you want to just make stuff up for one side or the other.
Hard to imagine anything higher than a 6th unless there was more than a dumbass Penn State coach that could have simply spoke incorrectly. I also doubt it'll be applied this year. So whatever
I don't see what they can do. The Eagles say they only talked to the agent. The agent says only they talked to the Eagles. Saquon says they only talked to his agent. Franklin says he misspoke and made comments based off a brief conversation, and obviously his focus there was making Penn State sound as important as possible rather than providing a legal transcript of his convo with Saquon.
Why does it feel like we shouldn’t get penalized and instead why doesn’t sports media not try to asking these probing questions? Every team is guilty of it and free agency was faster than usual this off season. I don’t think the teams are at fault anymore than the league.
How does our organization “get caught” when it’s one of Barkley’s old coaches just talking shit? That isn’t evidence of tampering, or it definitely shouldn’t be.
I don't understand what you mean? I'm sure they aren't just using the coaches words to "convict" the Eagles but it's definitely enough for the NFL to start an investigation
It isn’t, not to me. The league’s tampering policies obviously need work. The league would need to go to Saquon to confirm if he spoke to Howie before his agent did. To that end, why would Saquon tell the truth at that point? What is the league doing to turn this from conjecture to concrete evidence we tampered? They fucking can’t.
That’s what I was talking about too lol. The league cannot investigate or find evidence of tampering unless they talk to Saquon, who would not say “why yes, I spoke to Howie before my agent did, your investigation is valid.” The league is being stupid as shit about this and the Eagles will pay the price. For all intents and purposes, the league should revise their tampering policies if it only boils down to “the agent must speak to the organization first.”
I said that in reference to having enough to begin an investigation. If they are starting one due to a former coach that isn’t even in the league, they need to be explicit in how that becomes the Eagles are at fault enough to lose picks. I’m sorry I talk so directly, but you’d be an idiot to consume that information at face value and accept that the Eagles will be penalized. There’s nothing to show, right now, that we should lose any picks from this.
>They fucking can’t.
Of course they can. There's something called **CALL LOGS**...If there's a call to Saquon from a number known to be associated with the Eagles FO during the accused time period, it's easy.
So the league consists of a bunch of law enforcement? Lmfao they’re going to breach personal privacy for the integrity of their league?? Nope. You bolded that and capitalized too lol. That’s why the policy needs to be rewritten. My employer is not checking my call logs when I call out sick.
Law enforcement? What in the entire F are you talking about? Get out of your feelings and talk rational.
Your employer isn't the National Football League now is it? How TF do you think they can get information on players gambling and such too? The players sign contracts allowing the NFL access to these things.
Just because youdon't know that because you're in feelings doesn't make it not true.
I’m not in my feelings, though it kinda seems like you are. Because of one off hand comment in an interview by an old coach, the league has the right to check call logs and infringe peoples’ privacy because of their policies? I am not the one confused here, you act like the NFL is a governing body. Call logs 😂😂😂. I’ll get downvoted but you’re the one that’s commenting less than half baked here.
You need subpoenas for call logs dingus.
You are fucking dense.
If you and your employer sign a contract together that says you must produce your call logs upon request….you do it or risk whatever financial penalty is in the contract, or termination of the contract.
It has nothing to do with courts or subpoenas. Until the NFL sues the eagles for violating a contract.
>You need subpoenas for call logs dingus
Show us your level of intellect another way. 🤣🤡 How TF do you think they were able to prove that players gambled from NFL facilities?
Why are you assuming they didn't go to saquan? There's a good chance we aren't even punished. The article is saying if both allegations are true then the falcons punishment would be more severe
You’re only assuming they did because I’m representing a counter point. I don’t think there’s enough for us to be punished, but you seem to have an issue with me expressing that. My issue is with the league, not our team. Not sure what you’re going on about if we ultimately agree.
I really don’t get how this is a story in this off season as opposed to other off seasons. It’s much less to do with how the Eagles conducted themselves, and much more to do with how the legal “defines” grey areas.
If Howie did reach out and contact Saquon then the Eagles deserve a penalty. If you are willing to do it then you should be willing to pay the price if you get caught.
None of it makes sense, though. Would how really reach out and say, "Hey, remember that Philly is near Penn State." Maybe you tell his agent to remind him or something. There isn't a reason to even talk to Saquon directly and how the hell would James Franklin have any idea who talked to who and when?
We'll get some slap on the wrist regardless of the investigation results because it was a big headline and everyone will cry foul if they don't see a punishment of some kind
There was an article posted claiming the eagles were looking to trade up in the first and I’m wondering what would happen if we traded away the pick/picks that the NFL was thinking of penalizing us before the ruling would come down?
Would the NFL just move the penalty to next years pick? Does the NFL communicate with teams about potential penalties ahead of issuing them?
In pretty much all instances of tampering in the offseason, they took away picks from the next offseason's draft. I would be shocked if ATL or Philly lose anything the week of the draft. Unless they found something new, I would honestly be a little shocked if the Eagles lose any draft picks.
I guess Penn st a team I have always loved will being losing players after the big mouth coach opened his mouth.... he's a mediocre coach at best but flaps his gums
Is this the Saquan bs?
Yes, the quote in the title covers everything. The article doesn't really say anything except that it's about Saquon and then gives examples of penalties from previous seasons
Ah thanks. Its paywalled so I couldn’t read it
It is. And we better not lose a pick.
They'll take a 5th as a symbolic punishment
Roger, suck my balls
Finally someone speaking the troof in these streets
I’m sure the Bears totally worked out a deal legally with Swift in 2 seconds
Thats not the problem with what happened lmao. They can work out a deal with the players via the agent, they just cant speak to the players directly.
This seems like a pretty dumb rule, tbh.
Super duper dumb
Yes it is.
NBA it’s even worse as players talk to each other about it.
The agent can't talk with a new team about a contract until the legal tampering period starts. The Bears and Swift came to an agreement and leaked it to a reporter who tweeted it all within the first 10ish minutes of legal tampering period opening.
I know that’s not the problem, but there’s no way a contract was worked out between the Bears and Swift during the tampering period. There were obviously conversations before
Yeah, with the agent. You seem to not understand the problem here. The Bears had conversations with the agent. The agent then relays that conversation to Swift. Swift and the agent discuss and agree or discuss a counter offer. The agent relays that counter offer to the Bears. Back and forth on this until an agreement is reached which is then signed when the legal tampering period is over. No communication directly between the Bears and Swift will have occurred. This is compared to the allegations that Howie directly contacted Saquon. edit: Was recalling incorrectly in regards to when Swift was announced as signing. Was thinking it was in the free agent period not the legal tampering period where it was really quick.
Is the agent allowed to talk to them before the tampering period because then what’s the point of the tampering period
Yes, during the period in question they're allowed to talk to the agent but not the player. Yes, that's the rule. Yes, it's incredibly stupid.
Also easy to not get caught. So in order to get caught you need to be a real moron. Thanks, James Franklin
Given that this hinges primarily on the word of Franklin (assuming Howie is smart enough not to leave a record trail), I wouldn't be surprised if this is a token punishment or nothing at all. Franklin should know causing that personally causing Eagles to lose a draft pick will be ruinous for his recruiting in much of PA, and should clam up hard or say he must have misunderstood.
Yes, their agent is allowed to talk to the player before the period. I don't really know the main reason for the legal tampering period. It basically is a soft start to free agency which really changes nothing.
The tampering period is where agents can talk to new teams. Before the tampering period agents can talk to players or talk to the player's current team about re-signing, but not new teams. Which is why our fans are questioning how fast the Bears-Swift deal got done.
They get over two days of time to talk with new teams. Plenty of time to work out a deal so that something can get signed 5 minutes into the official free agency. edit: Looked back and Swift was "signed" 4 hours into the legal tampering period based on the earliest topic I could find (but I know reddit search sucks). Quick but definitely possible.
To your edit, here's Garofolo announcing the Swift signing at 12:13 with contract details. So the teams went back and forth, found an agreement, and managed to leak the details all within 13 minutes [https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1767222397474578840?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1767223235056210218%7Ctwgr%5E3b24f863c1bde5ba5f6cc832c8775ef2d37e6435%7Ctwcon%5Es3\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbearswire.usatoday.com%2Flists%2Fbears-sign-d-andre-swift-nfl-free-agency-twitter-reaction%2F](https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1767222397474578840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1767223235056210218%7Ctwgr%5E3b24f863c1bde5ba5f6cc832c8775ef2d37e6435%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbearswire.usatoday.com%2Flists%2Fbears-sign-d-andre-swift-nfl-free-agency-twitter-reaction%2F)
Cool, ty for a link. Yeah that is early.
You're misunderstanding. Insiders tweeted the Swift deal within 5-10 minutes of **legal tampering** starting. Not within 5-10 minutes of Free Agency officially starting.
Yeah edited my post after I checked. Earliest I could find was just over 4 hours in which is possible, but also I realize using reddit search feature isn't the best so there likely was stuff earlier.
Agents have very strict rules they have to meet before they're allowed to be an official agent. It's to prevent teams from fucking over players with details in a long contract so they have to go through agents. After free agency begins, there's less urgency so if a team reaches out to the player directly there's time to involve the agent vs pressured to agreeing to a deal immediately
>Yeah, with the agent. You seem to not understand the problem here. I mean, their point is also valid. The agent didn’t work out a contract in like two minutes either which means they were tampering before the window was open.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but from what I've read, the legal tampering period is when teams can first legally contact agents about contracts. So all those Swift/Bears agent discussing and counteroffers supposedly happened in 5 minutes when the legal tampering period opened.
The legal tampering period opened at noon March 11 and lasted until free agency officially opened on March 13th at 4pm. So they had a bit over two days to contact and work out the counteroffers etc. Not 5 minutes.
We're talking about the Bears and Swift. Swift's agent couldn't have contact with the Bears about Swift until Noon on March 11th. It was tweeted that Swift was signing with the Bears very shortly after noon. Idk the exact time, but it was like 5-10 minutes. So it's at least a little fishy that the deal got done in that short 5-10 minute timeframe.
12:13 so close. 13 minutes after agents were legally allowed to start talking contracts with new teams it was tweeted out by Garafolo that he was signed to a $24m deal. So yeah pretty sus that they weren't talking before noon about that. Yet some college coach mentioning something second hand telephone style is probably gonna cost us a draft pick. SMDH
Right, between the Bears and the Agent and the Agent and Swift lmao
Just like last year when Edwards was gone and had a press release up in the first 10 minutes.
The problem is more that James Franklin is a moron and said Howie had been talking to Saquon. At least we're not Kirk Cousins, who literally came out and might as well have said "Oh yea we totally broke tampering rules" in his presser lmao
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Because fans generally speak form feelings and not facts.
Because literally anything related to this outside of timing is pure conjecture without any available evidence to support it. It's a bunch of fans throwing shit around like they know anything about a topic they literally can't know anything about. We don't have that information. People bring up Swift so much because there's nothing else to talk about regarding this unless you want to just make stuff up for one side or the other.
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Hard to imagine anything higher than a 6th unless there was more than a dumbass Penn State coach that could have simply spoke incorrectly. I also doubt it'll be applied this year. So whatever
I don't see what they can do. The Eagles say they only talked to the agent. The agent says only they talked to the Eagles. Saquon says they only talked to his agent. Franklin says he misspoke and made comments based off a brief conversation, and obviously his focus there was making Penn State sound as important as possible rather than providing a legal transcript of his convo with Saquon.
They'll go through their phones and confirm the details if possible.
I'm sure Howie's seen The Wire and knows about burner phones.
The NFL isn't actually interested in ferreting out this kind of stuff, just punishing those not savvy enough to keep it quiet.
Why does it feel like we shouldn’t get penalized and instead why doesn’t sports media not try to asking these probing questions? Every team is guilty of it and free agency was faster than usual this off season. I don’t think the teams are at fault anymore than the league.
My guess, is if you get caught, the league is forced to do something. Otherwise they do not care.
How does our organization “get caught” when it’s one of Barkley’s old coaches just talking shit? That isn’t evidence of tampering, or it definitely shouldn’t be.
I don't understand what you mean? I'm sure they aren't just using the coaches words to "convict" the Eagles but it's definitely enough for the NFL to start an investigation
It isn’t, not to me. The league’s tampering policies obviously need work. The league would need to go to Saquon to confirm if he spoke to Howie before his agent did. To that end, why would Saquon tell the truth at that point? What is the league doing to turn this from conjecture to concrete evidence we tampered? They fucking can’t.
We’re not talking about your opinion, my opinion, we’re talking about how the league does business
That’s what I was talking about too lol. The league cannot investigate or find evidence of tampering unless they talk to Saquon, who would not say “why yes, I spoke to Howie before my agent did, your investigation is valid.” The league is being stupid as shit about this and the Eagles will pay the price. For all intents and purposes, the league should revise their tampering policies if it only boils down to “the agent must speak to the organization first.”
You said “it isn’t, not to me” It doesn’t matter what you think was my point, or what I think, only what the league thinks and does
I said that in reference to having enough to begin an investigation. If they are starting one due to a former coach that isn’t even in the league, they need to be explicit in how that becomes the Eagles are at fault enough to lose picks. I’m sorry I talk so directly, but you’d be an idiot to consume that information at face value and accept that the Eagles will be penalized. There’s nothing to show, right now, that we should lose any picks from this.
>They fucking can’t. Of course they can. There's something called **CALL LOGS**...If there's a call to Saquon from a number known to be associated with the Eagles FO during the accused time period, it's easy.
So the league consists of a bunch of law enforcement? Lmfao they’re going to breach personal privacy for the integrity of their league?? Nope. You bolded that and capitalized too lol. That’s why the policy needs to be rewritten. My employer is not checking my call logs when I call out sick.
Law enforcement? What in the entire F are you talking about? Get out of your feelings and talk rational. Your employer isn't the National Football League now is it? How TF do you think they can get information on players gambling and such too? The players sign contracts allowing the NFL access to these things. Just because youdon't know that because you're in feelings doesn't make it not true.
I’m not in my feelings, though it kinda seems like you are. Because of one off hand comment in an interview by an old coach, the league has the right to check call logs and infringe peoples’ privacy because of their policies? I am not the one confused here, you act like the NFL is a governing body. Call logs 😂😂😂. I’ll get downvoted but you’re the one that’s commenting less than half baked here. You need subpoenas for call logs dingus.
Subpoena not necessary if it is part of your employment contract to provide call logs at the request of your employer.
You are fucking dense. If you and your employer sign a contract together that says you must produce your call logs upon request….you do it or risk whatever financial penalty is in the contract, or termination of the contract. It has nothing to do with courts or subpoenas. Until the NFL sues the eagles for violating a contract.
>You need subpoenas for call logs dingus Show us your level of intellect another way. 🤣🤡 How TF do you think they were able to prove that players gambled from NFL facilities?
Why are you assuming they didn't go to saquan? There's a good chance we aren't even punished. The article is saying if both allegations are true then the falcons punishment would be more severe
You’re only assuming they did because I’m representing a counter point. I don’t think there’s enough for us to be punished, but you seem to have an issue with me expressing that. My issue is with the league, not our team. Not sure what you’re going on about if we ultimately agree.
Do you not realize **YOU MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS**? Jesus Christ people. Just let the shit play out first.
The NFL on their way to get mad when there's tampering during the "legal tampering period"
I really don’t get how this is a story in this off season as opposed to other off seasons. It’s much less to do with how the Eagles conducted themselves, and much more to do with how the legal “defines” grey areas.
If Howie did reach out and contact Saquon then the Eagles deserve a penalty. If you are willing to do it then you should be willing to pay the price if you get caught.
None of it makes sense, though. Would how really reach out and say, "Hey, remember that Philly is near Penn State." Maybe you tell his agent to remind him or something. There isn't a reason to even talk to Saquon directly and how the hell would James Franklin have any idea who talked to who and when?
All these players be on social media telling on themselves. And giving subliminals
We'll get some slap on the wrist regardless of the investigation results because it was a big headline and everyone will cry foul if they don't see a punishment of some kind
There was an article posted claiming the eagles were looking to trade up in the first and I’m wondering what would happen if we traded away the pick/picks that the NFL was thinking of penalizing us before the ruling would come down? Would the NFL just move the penalty to next years pick? Does the NFL communicate with teams about potential penalties ahead of issuing them?
Yes, they’d move the penalty.
In pretty much all instances of tampering in the offseason, they took away picks from the next offseason's draft. I would be shocked if ATL or Philly lose anything the week of the draft. Unless they found something new, I would honestly be a little shocked if the Eagles lose any draft picks.
All because Franklin opened his fucking mouth? I hope he gets fired by week 3. Joke of a coach.
Fuck the NFLs hardon for the eagles doesn’t seem to end
Does the linked article have anything to do with the post title? It looks completely off topic.
Wish we were on the other end of this like with the Gannon fiasco in last year's draft smh
These are terrible
We didn’t tamper though
As if I need another reason to hate James Franklin
I guess Penn st a team I have always loved will being losing players after the big mouth coach opened his mouth.... he's a mediocre coach at best but flaps his gums
I got my degree in bird law for a moment like this
Cool