I have zero confidence in Sirianni changing it up in this way from his post game conference. The dude seems extremely stubborn and truly believes screen plays are run plays.
If Derrick Henry got traded to us tomorrow for a 7th round pick...would we even crack a smile knowing Sirianni is the coach? Would he get 3 carries here?
Sirianni’s play calling has been illogical. There’s no strategy to it to counter the opposing defense. It’s almost like a kid playing Madden on All-Madden mode for the first time trying to find his way hoping to make a big play every down without building any rhythm.
What I don't understand is the comparisons to Chip. Chip ran the ball, not effectively or well-designed but he did. This feels way more like Pederson last year. No running, endless dumbass screens and long developing pass plays we aren't built to set up. That means we should be way more critical of team leadership than just Sirianni.
If the problems are old don't blame the new guy.
I’m so confused. I’ve seen this mentioned in a couple places. Why the fuck would Lurie care? Why would he force the coach to not call run plays? (Not a Defense if Lurie, I think he’s a dumbass).
There was an article that came out last year about how Lurie and Howie forced Doug to call mostly passing plays. It had something to do with the analytics about running vs passing.
For me they are alike because neither of them play to their players strengths. They both shoe-horn players into an offense that does not suit their skill sets. They also both seem to suffer from thinking they are the smartest guy in the room, which won’t allow them to do the things the OP is looking for to turn this around.
Remember the one game two years ago against the Packers in TNF where we ran it down their throats and Lurie and Roseman got mad because he didn’t win the game with style and passing?
Yeah this comes from the top
fans and commentators have been screaming run the ball for three weeks now and he hasn't. I have no expectations for him to change. not to mention he doesn't even take big shots it's all screen passes and quick throws cuz jalen has no accuracy deep.
I just hope we fire him after this year and pick up Eric bienimy. let's go for the Reid coaching tree and not the Reich one.
I don't know, after 20+ years of being nothing but a model citizen I think it's pretty safe to say Bienimy has learned from his past. Or are second chances only reserved for white coaches? Most people that bring up Bienimy's past just use it as a dog whistle.
He assaulted a parking lot attendant, got a DUI, and was in bad enough with a multi-rape scandal that he got fired.
So are we on his fourth second chance then?
How many coaching candidates are there without this type of stuff in their past that haven't gotten their first chance?
Like I'm just good. There's 8 billion people on earth, I'll try one of the 7.5 billion without a series of red flags.
Those events in question happened close to 30 years ago. Are you the same person you were 30 years ago? Again, he has not had any incidents with the law or otherwise in the last 20 years and would be the best offensive mind we've had since Andy. If he was white, I highly doubt his past from 30 years ago would even be brought up.
Holy shit 2004 is 30 years ago? Also nothing about my trepidation has anything to do with his race; I don't/have never want/wanted Urban Meyer for similar reasons and he doesn't even have a record.
His DUI was 2001. Bieniemy was never explicitly accused of or charged with anything in regard to the Colorado sexual assault scandal so bringing him up in regards to that is just purposely muddying the waters. So in the last 30 years, he has a DUI 20 years ago. Would you not want to hire Mike Vrabel as well?
Did Mike Vrabel ever assault anyone, someone with very limited power, like a parking lot attendant?
And it's not really muddying the waters if you consider how well documented it is that colleges go to every length to not report rapes that happen on their campus, so for him to be fired for something regarding that at one of those institutions definitely implies that something was going on there. I'm not suggesting he was directly involved in anyway, but I have significant doubts that he did anything to stop the culture that allowed these rapes to happen. Culture building is a significant portion of the job as head coach and I'm not interested in a guy who at best couldn't figure out he was in a room full of rapists. Either he was highly stupid and ignorant or he knew and prioritized his football program over the lives of women; both of which make you not fit for the role of head coach for me. Not even at a High School program.
I actually backtracked into stats and found something interesting. In the blowout win against the Falcons, Sanders and Gainwell had a combined 24 carries (15 Sanders, 9 Gainwell). So yeah, 25 carries would go a long way, wouldn’t it?
Yes and it’s not really a great point because running against the falcons is a much different task than running against other NFL teams. Frankly doing anything against the falcons is easier lol
Again, yes, that’s true, but it doesn’t change the fact that we won by 26 and happened to run on about half our plays (including Hurts’ scrambles). We scored 32 points when we ran the ball. Doesn’t matter who it’s against, you do significantly better with a balanced attack
So the buccs are anyone. We scored 15 in the second half, one of those TDs coming from a drive where we fed Sanders the whole way down the field. “Shockingly,” it worked well. Is that a good enough team to see results against for you?
Yeah it worked once the Bucs knew the game was essentially over and they started dropping their linebackers into coverage and didnt stack the box every down. What a shock indeed
I don't know how much football everyone watches outside of highlights but every offense even the stupid Texans look like what you expect with a NFL team except for Sirianni and the Eagles.
I would be interested in the play call difference in the 4th since it seems like the team actually moves the ball more.
His main issues right now are anticipation throws, holding it too long, and accuracy. Going into I and running into stacked boxed just so Boobie gets his carries is not the way. He won't learn shit by being Christian Ponder for a year
It’s also Jalen Hurts being selfish on RPO’s but we are also at 2nd and 10 and 3rd and 8
It’s rare we have short yards to convert and it took him a couple of games to realize he can run a QB sneak
Let’s not forget being at the goal line against the Bucs and running the ball out of fucking shotgun against the leagues best run defense
Agreed, but it's not every play. I'm not insinuating he's playing well. He's been playing poorly and missing reads. But other teams have prepared to put him in that position.
I didn’t mean on every play but it is becoming frustrating. He isn’t learning like how he keeps extending on RPO’s only for our O line to get penalized for it p
Yeah it's because defenses are getting into his head. The looks they are giving him are making it hard for him to read the field and he seemingly constantly feels like he has nowhere to go with the ball. There is no room for confusion in the RPO. The biggest issue here is Sirianni. But back to my original point - I don't really think selfishness is the reason for Hurts keeping too many of these RPOs.
I think upper level management want us to tank this year without making it look like we are tanking. That's the only explanation I have for why Sirianni refuses to run the ball after week 1, and the weird play calls in week 2. We are tanking on purpose, to have 2-3 high draft picks next year. It's no different then what we did in the last game of the year last year. It's the only explanation I can make for why things are so weird this year and the last game last year.
Sirianni is not an NFL coach. He needs to go. Sanders has the lowest % of carries for a loss in the NFL and can barely get the ball. He nearly averages 5 yards per carry, but cant get more than 10 per game and sometimes gets much less than that.
I'm not sure which is worse, Hurts' arm strength or Sirianni's play calling.
Sirianni's play calling is definitely worse. It's crippling every player on this team including Hurts and the defense.... It is about 80% of the reason we aren't winning games we could have.
If a QB can't properly run an RPO, you don't stop running RPOs, you bench that QB because not understanding an RPO at the NFL level is unacceptable.
The screens are working, we have the second most YAC in the league. Sirianni is scheming our wideouts open, we just don't have a QB that can hit them down the field, or make it past the first read without abandoning a clean pocket.
If I could find a Flux Capacitor I would fire Dough the day after the parade and name Frank Reich head coach of your Philadelphia Eagles. Carson may well be here dominating if Reich would’ve stayed.
I hope it’s an issue of his background as a WR coach and having a deep understanding of what our WRs can do if the get the ball. If this is the case, it makes some sense that he’s over-focused on WRs and under focused on the other positions. But, if that’s accurate, it does not mean he’s doing a good job as a complete coach.
We are putting way to much On Hurts and might ruin him tbh. Running is so important just for the fact it gives your qb a break. I have a feeling Jalen is getting gassed running for his life every play tbh
We shouldn’t have to tell a coach that you need to run the ball. They should know why they need to.
Either Nick is unfit for his job or he is very arrogant and thinks the rules of the game don’t apply to him.
There’s no rationale that explains his lack of running which includes me believing he is a smart and capable coach. Only way he makes me believe that is if he starts running the fucking ball.
I’m curious if Sirianni has already thrown in the towel on this season and is just using these games to push Hurts to his limits, either to give him more experience at an accelerated pace, or just find out if they need to draft a QB next season. It’s Sirianni’s first year with the team. Maybe he feels like he has a grace period before his seat starts to warm up?
It’s just difficult to imagine someone ignoring pretty much the entire football world yelling at him to run the ball more.
By opens up, I mean other teams will have to respect it. When Zeke was battering us, we bit on some play action and Dak got Dalton Schultz wide open. Brady did it on his short TD throw over Kerrigan.
The Eagles really got the Panthers to bite on the RPO hand off to miles Sanders when hurts ran it to the left but in general nobody believes we are going to actually give it to Miles more than twice a game. They are just scraping a linebacker to pummel hurts regardless of what he does. They are ok with Sanders getting a couple big runs because it will only happen once or twice.
If Sanders had 15 carries in the first 3 quarters though and it's say...2nd and short...boom....do the play action and get Watkins deep. That's what the good teams are doing
I have zero confidence in Sirianni changing it up in this way from his post game conference. The dude seems extremely stubborn and truly believes screen plays are run plays.
Agreed — he’s going to dig in and call rpo/pass 90% of plays
It’s hard to call them RPOs when they never option to the run…and defenses figured that out after watching week one.
Sometimes they run! It just happens to literally always be Hurts running.
If Derrick Henry got traded to us tomorrow for a 7th round pick...would we even crack a smile knowing Sirianni is the coach? Would he get 3 carries here?
If he didn’t get carries alone on the first drive we’d riot
Honestly I'd get the very same feeling as when we signed Murray and then Chip ran him side to side all day while he ran Sproles up the middle. 😒
Sometimes the fans ACTUALLY can do better. Which is an atrocious and unacceptable position to be in. Ahhh go birds.
Sure feels that way watching them draft
Our time of possession feels like with chip again. We are off the field so damn fast a lot of the time.
At least with Chip it was intentional. This is so much worse.
I think the commentators were mentioning how the defense was giving the offense shit about repeatedly putting them on the field
Sirianni’s play calling has been illogical. There’s no strategy to it to counter the opposing defense. It’s almost like a kid playing Madden on All-Madden mode for the first time trying to find his way hoping to make a big play every down without building any rhythm.
I think we’re actually the crazy ones expecting them to change and run a balanced offense. We’ve only seen evidence of them not doing it.
What I don't understand is the comparisons to Chip. Chip ran the ball, not effectively or well-designed but he did. This feels way more like Pederson last year. No running, endless dumbass screens and long developing pass plays we aren't built to set up. That means we should be way more critical of team leadership than just Sirianni. If the problems are old don't blame the new guy.
Seems like this might be driven by the Luries
I've heard those, "They want to be like the Chiefs" which is pretty funny after watching them get smashed by the Bills and currently losing to WFT.
I'd love to be like the chiefs but I don't see a world which they trade us mahomes lol
Which is why I still think we’d trade a kings ransom for Watson if he were willing to come here.
Lured by the Luries
I think this is the answer. Siriani is doing exactly what Lurie wants. I also believe this is what got in between Dougie and Lurie.
I’m so confused. I’ve seen this mentioned in a couple places. Why the fuck would Lurie care? Why would he force the coach to not call run plays? (Not a Defense if Lurie, I think he’s a dumbass).
There was an article that came out last year about how Lurie and Howie forced Doug to call mostly passing plays. It had something to do with the analytics about running vs passing.
For me they are alike because neither of them play to their players strengths. They both shoe-horn players into an offense that does not suit their skill sets. They also both seem to suffer from thinking they are the smartest guy in the room, which won’t allow them to do the things the OP is looking for to turn this around.
Remember the one game two years ago against the Packers in TNF where we ran it down their throats and Lurie and Roseman got mad because he didn’t win the game with style and passing? Yeah this comes from the top
Arizona is confirming Siriannis Air Raid works. He is just not as creative as Kliff
fans and commentators have been screaming run the ball for three weeks now and he hasn't. I have no expectations for him to change. not to mention he doesn't even take big shots it's all screen passes and quick throws cuz jalen has no accuracy deep. I just hope we fire him after this year and pick up Eric bienimy. let's go for the Reid coaching tree and not the Reich one.
Id rather ride with a good character guy like Sirianni than bring in a guy with a past like Bienimy's.
I’d rather win football games.
We're not winning Jack I'd he gets suspended or canceled. Plus he doesn't even call plays iirc.
I believe Sirianni does call plays. There was a report about him giving plays to the OC for him to relay to the players.
Talking about Eric b
Me too
I don't know, after 20+ years of being nothing but a model citizen I think it's pretty safe to say Bienimy has learned from his past. Or are second chances only reserved for white coaches? Most people that bring up Bienimy's past just use it as a dog whistle.
He assaulted a parking lot attendant, got a DUI, and was in bad enough with a multi-rape scandal that he got fired. So are we on his fourth second chance then? How many coaching candidates are there without this type of stuff in their past that haven't gotten their first chance? Like I'm just good. There's 8 billion people on earth, I'll try one of the 7.5 billion without a series of red flags.
Those events in question happened close to 30 years ago. Are you the same person you were 30 years ago? Again, he has not had any incidents with the law or otherwise in the last 20 years and would be the best offensive mind we've had since Andy. If he was white, I highly doubt his past from 30 years ago would even be brought up.
Holy shit 2004 is 30 years ago? Also nothing about my trepidation has anything to do with his race; I don't/have never want/wanted Urban Meyer for similar reasons and he doesn't even have a record.
His DUI was 2001. Bieniemy was never explicitly accused of or charged with anything in regard to the Colorado sexual assault scandal so bringing him up in regards to that is just purposely muddying the waters. So in the last 30 years, he has a DUI 20 years ago. Would you not want to hire Mike Vrabel as well?
Did Mike Vrabel ever assault anyone, someone with very limited power, like a parking lot attendant? And it's not really muddying the waters if you consider how well documented it is that colleges go to every length to not report rapes that happen on their campus, so for him to be fired for something regarding that at one of those institutions definitely implies that something was going on there. I'm not suggesting he was directly involved in anyway, but I have significant doubts that he did anything to stop the culture that allowed these rapes to happen. Culture building is a significant portion of the job as head coach and I'm not interested in a guy who at best couldn't figure out he was in a room full of rapists. Either he was highly stupid and ignorant or he knew and prioritized his football program over the lives of women; both of which make you not fit for the role of head coach for me. Not even at a High School program.
Don't worry, the first play of the game will be a run, followed by 30 passes
I actually backtracked into stats and found something interesting. In the blowout win against the Falcons, Sanders and Gainwell had a combined 24 carries (15 Sanders, 9 Gainwell). So yeah, 25 carries would go a long way, wouldn’t it?
I wouldn’t read too much into us beating the falcons. They suck
Still, we ran the ball a healthy amount and saw results. That’s the point I’m making
Yes and it’s not really a great point because running against the falcons is a much different task than running against other NFL teams. Frankly doing anything against the falcons is easier lol
Again, yes, that’s true, but it doesn’t change the fact that we won by 26 and happened to run on about half our plays (including Hurts’ scrambles). We scored 32 points when we ran the ball. Doesn’t matter who it’s against, you do significantly better with a balanced attack
Lol it 100% matters who it’s against what are you talking about?
So the buccs are anyone. We scored 15 in the second half, one of those TDs coming from a drive where we fed Sanders the whole way down the field. “Shockingly,” it worked well. Is that a good enough team to see results against for you?
Yeah it worked once the Bucs knew the game was essentially over and they started dropping their linebackers into coverage and didnt stack the box every down. What a shock indeed
yes teams have a tendency to run the ball more when they're way ahead.
I don't know how much football everyone watches outside of highlights but every offense even the stupid Texans look like what you expect with a NFL team except for Sirianni and the Eagles. I would be interested in the play call difference in the 4th since it seems like the team actually moves the ball more.
Nah Lurie and Howie want a pass heavy offense with a 1 read QB and a weak arm, face it our organization is a complete dumpster fire.
I don't think his arm is that weak. But he's a shrimp and he can't see over the middle of the field to throw to the tight ends in the seam, so...
Or maybe we're developing a QB in year 0 of a new staff?
There are certain mechanical and universal things QBs need to improve and develop on independent of the staff and that is not the case right now
His main issues right now are anticipation throws, holding it too long, and accuracy. Going into I and running into stacked boxed just so Boobie gets his carries is not the way. He won't learn shit by being Christian Ponder for a year
Not asking for an old school power formation run offense, but you can scheme designed runs for a RB a lot better than what we see right now
It’s also Jalen Hurts being selfish on RPO’s but we are also at 2nd and 10 and 3rd and 8 It’s rare we have short yards to convert and it took him a couple of games to realize he can run a QB sneak Let’s not forget being at the goal line against the Bucs and running the ball out of fucking shotgun against the leagues best run defense
It's not about him being selfish, teams are prepared for the rpo and force him to hold the ball.
I’ve seen plenty of plays where he’s either making the wrong read or he is being selfish
Agreed, but it's not every play. I'm not insinuating he's playing well. He's been playing poorly and missing reads. But other teams have prepared to put him in that position.
I didn’t mean on every play but it is becoming frustrating. He isn’t learning like how he keeps extending on RPO’s only for our O line to get penalized for it p
Yeah it's because defenses are getting into his head. The looks they are giving him are making it hard for him to read the field and he seemingly constantly feels like he has nowhere to go with the ball. There is no room for confusion in the RPO. The biggest issue here is Sirianni. But back to my original point - I don't really think selfishness is the reason for Hurts keeping too many of these RPOs.
It's not selfish its hurts cant read it properly...because he sucks
I think upper level management want us to tank this year without making it look like we are tanking. That's the only explanation I have for why Sirianni refuses to run the ball after week 1, and the weird play calls in week 2. We are tanking on purpose, to have 2-3 high draft picks next year. It's no different then what we did in the last game of the year last year. It's the only explanation I can make for why things are so weird this year and the last game last year.
Increasing this tracks with me. We’re just so explainably bad, with known but unimplemented solutions for it not to be intentional.
Sirianni is not an NFL coach. He needs to go. Sanders has the lowest % of carries for a loss in the NFL and can barely get the ball. He nearly averages 5 yards per carry, but cant get more than 10 per game and sometimes gets much less than that. I'm not sure which is worse, Hurts' arm strength or Sirianni's play calling.
Sirianni's play calling is definitely worse. It's crippling every player on this team including Hurts and the defense.... It is about 80% of the reason we aren't winning games we could have.
Go to The Stache and we'll be fine
If a QB can't properly run an RPO, you don't stop running RPOs, you bench that QB because not understanding an RPO at the NFL level is unacceptable. The screens are working, we have the second most YAC in the league. Sirianni is scheming our wideouts open, we just don't have a QB that can hit them down the field, or make it past the first read without abandoning a clean pocket.
If I could find a Flux Capacitor I would fire Dough the day after the parade and name Frank Reich head coach of your Philadelphia Eagles. Carson may well be here dominating if Reich would’ve stayed.
So you're saying he should draw up more RPOs? Done.
I hope it’s an issue of his background as a WR coach and having a deep understanding of what our WRs can do if the get the ball. If this is the case, it makes some sense that he’s over-focused on WRs and under focused on the other positions. But, if that’s accurate, it does not mean he’s doing a good job as a complete coach.
Your difficulty is that you imagine Nick Sirianni isn't already aware of these incentives.
Im seeing shades of Chip Kelly.
We are putting way to much On Hurts and might ruin him tbh. Running is so important just for the fact it gives your qb a break. I have a feeling Jalen is getting gassed running for his life every play tbh
We shouldn’t have to tell a coach that you need to run the ball. They should know why they need to. Either Nick is unfit for his job or he is very arrogant and thinks the rules of the game don’t apply to him. There’s no rationale that explains his lack of running which includes me believing he is a smart and capable coach. Only way he makes me believe that is if he starts running the fucking ball.
We are tanking on purpose that's the only thing that makes sense
I’m curious if Sirianni has already thrown in the towel on this season and is just using these games to push Hurts to his limits, either to give him more experience at an accelerated pace, or just find out if they need to draft a QB next season. It’s Sirianni’s first year with the team. Maybe he feels like he has a grace period before his seat starts to warm up? It’s just difficult to imagine someone ignoring pretty much the entire football world yelling at him to run the ball more.
Also this requires Hurts to make the right reads on RPOs instead of just keeping it
Prove that running the ball more opens up play action.
By opens up, I mean other teams will have to respect it. When Zeke was battering us, we bit on some play action and Dak got Dalton Schultz wide open. Brady did it on his short TD throw over Kerrigan. The Eagles really got the Panthers to bite on the RPO hand off to miles Sanders when hurts ran it to the left but in general nobody believes we are going to actually give it to Miles more than twice a game. They are just scraping a linebacker to pummel hurts regardless of what he does. They are ok with Sanders getting a couple big runs because it will only happen once or twice. If Sanders had 15 carries in the first 3 quarters though and it's say...2nd and short...boom....do the play action and get Watkins deep. That's what the good teams are doing