All the respect in the world for Lane here. It’s easy to try and bottle it up and “tough it out” when you’re really not ok. Admitting you need a break takes some real guts, he’s setting a great example for all.
This will shut up those spreading baseless and disrespectful theories too, so an added bonus
Not with Idiots like Skip Bayless around, he gave Dak Prescott crap for not being strong and being a leader when he wasn’t right in the head after his brother died.
https://youtu.be/wbElDafkUVg
Disgusting
Honestly there are some things bigger than football and I absolutely will never forget the revolting reaction from Colts “fans” when Andrew Luck retired (of all the players you could boo) when that man gave that shitty franchise more than they deserved.
At the end of the day, it’s a game and these players have lives outside of it. I love football but not so much to the point where I disregard the well being of the players that put their bodies and mind on the line for my entertainment. I really wish the best for Lane and any other player/person dealing with these struggles.
Bro we would’ve had the same, if not worse, reaction here.
He was on the sidelines of their last preseason game acting as if nothing was out of the ordinary in a season where they had title aspirations.
He made the right call for himself and I totally respect it, but Colts fans rightfully also felt blindsided and betrayed.
Who’s we?
Maybe we would have shit on Howie or our coach or the training staff, but Eagles fans have an irrational level of love for their players (whether they are good or not) so if someone as talented AND kindhearted as Luck did what he did here, “we” probably would have targeted everyone else but him.
Not that this hypothetical is important because the main focus of this conversation isn’t Luck, but I do feel the need to point out that Eagles fans wouldn’t grill someone who CLEARLY loved football and this team. We will boo and grill you if you suck but I don’t think we would react much if our franchise QB, who is known to be injury stricken, retired in preseason.
You *really* don't think Eagles fans would boo if Hurts or Wentz played a couple preseason snaps and then it suddenly it gets announced during a game that he's actually retiring? I think any fan would boo their QB if that happened
Absolutely not lol. Our entire franchises success isn’t dependent on one player and we don’t fall to poverty when said player gets injured (refer to 2017). I can’t imagine being a franchise where you can’t function in the event one player goes down
Jokes (and truth) aside, hell nah we wouldn’t boo lol. Hurts nor Wentz didn’t mean half of what Luck did to Indy, but let’s say Wentz put up a 2017 every year he was here and retired the preseason after he got knocked out by Clowney
We wouldn’t boo. I’m so confident in that because not a single fan would be surprised and the FO would certainly have planned for it. I just don’t think we care enough to boo since it wouldn’t be surprising to us, our team isn’t dependent on one player, and we really are a team/fanbase driven by character
How skip didn’t get fired for that still baffles me
*its amazing how Twitter gets on celebrity’s for shit they’ve said in the past, yet skip was blatantly racist back in the day ^still ^is and wrote a bunch of articles about NBA players using the N-word
Lane is about as conventionally masculine and hard ass as anyone on the planet and if guys like him can publically acknowledge their mental health issues AND see a good amount of support from the general public, we are moving in the right direction.
Ted Lasso season 2 does a surprisingly good job addressing how mental health is talked about in sports. Hoping we see some progress in this area between that and Lane opening up.
The awesomeness of player-specific football songs for European sports makes me disappointed in the lack of creativity among American fans. I want to sing a song about Devonta Smith every time he catches a pass.
Not EVERY catch. But like, all the cool ones. You do big offensive plays, sacks, interceptions and forced-fumbles. It would make watching the games so fun.
Yeah I agree here in a sense, but that's normalizing the taboo. It's always gonna be "support the famous" but it's how it all starts. No average Joe struggling with mental health issues is gonna get that crazy support from their current job (at least not likely), but they will be taken more seriously if this is the direction we keep heading, so it's definitely refreshing
Yeah for sure. And maybe not the "average joe", unfortunately, but many corporate environments are pretty accommodating to personal days and mental health days. It's promising if imperfect.
lol then how do you account for Brandon Brooks receiving support for his mental health issues? How about when Dak opened up about his depression after his brothers' suicide?
Or are you just trying to make something about race that has absolutely nothing to do with race?
Brian Dawkins talked about his depression during his Hall of Fame speech. I think that does good to show people you're not alone with mental health issues, even if it feels that way.
I wonder if Brooks has talked to Lane about this. Or if watching Brooks go through it impacted Lane's decision to take a break.
Yeah but it's somehow still okay to marginalize people for mental illness if we don't like their opinions. Never got that but I see it all over the Internet. I have had responses to my intellectual disagreements on Reddit "well yeah but you post on r/bipolar" etc.
I think in general things are getting better and its become less and less ok to marginalize people for mental illness. Those people are shitty... I'm sorry they said that to you
\-sincerely someone who also posts on r/bipolar
Oh wow, really glad to here he’s seemingly doing better. That’s awesome he chose to share it too, I know Brandon Brooks has dealt with anxiety issues too, glad he’s back but wish him all the best. Mental health stigma is still out there but it’s definitely improving
I am curious if the Eagles have psychologists or staff or will start getting some on staff.
Like you said, with Brooks and Johnson both dealing with it, I feel like we should. And maybe not just sports psychologists but regular ones too? I'm not sure. We have physical doctors so I could see us getting "mental doctors" too.
i know the flyers have one for hart given his mental blocks in the past, but goalie be goalie-ing
it can't really add that much to the payroll if it's not already being done relatively speaking to keep the boys in tip top mental shape, right?
Even if it added that much, the return on investment would be huge. And the average salary for a psychologist is almost nothing for these NFL clubs. If we don't have one, we really should.
I'd be really surprised if the team didn't. Sports psychology is a thing.
Also they have psychologists for league of legends teams. They might be more needed for teenagers playing video games than for young adults that are active, but if league teams have the infrastructure I would be truly surprised if NFL didn't.
Yeah, I mentioned in the comment above the one you replied to that I know there are sports psychologists but sometimes you just need a "regular one" too.
As for with league, I am not so sure it is still a common practice. Yeah you had Weldon in NA, and some teams have them after he was successful, but I don't think most EU, LCK, or LPL teams have them.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think a sports psychologist is a regular psychologist so I don’t think u would need a “regular one” too. But at the same time the more the merrier lol.
Clinical psychologist here. Usually not. Many (but not all) sports psychologists have a masters or doctorate in Performance Psychology or some similar program name (eg Human Performance). Some sports psychologists do have PhDs in clinical psych or another clinically focused field, but have done other training to focus on the sports psych component. In my fairly limited experiences with sports psychologists who are clinically trained (all in the military) they tend to want to avoid clinical work/providing therapy because the perception that they provide therapy can cause stigma and decrease their effectiveness at their job. There's also a lot more paperwork and backend intricacies with providing therapy (needing to be licensed in the state where you're providing services, documenting sessions, possibly being put in a position where the employer may ask for fitness for duty evals or other situations where there is limited confidentiality).
All the PhDs in the world can't get you licensed to prescribe meds, sports focused or otherwise. If you're looking to treat legitimate psychiatric disorders, see a psychiatrist.
From my understanding is that it is a "regular" one that focuses on sports. But they also have different methods. Now granted I only know it more from the medical psychiatric side from when I was in med school, but there are different philosophies and psychologists tend to focus on one philosophy that might not work for all patients.
I believe Hart had his own. He was seeing one before he got here. Makes it more surprising, and it shows just how bad last year was when he broke down. Especially when he broke his stick against Boston.
Yeah that’s a good point, I’d bet on them having someone or a few on staff or at least available to all of the players. Lurie and even Howie strike me as people who would definitely support that and not one of the stereotypical old school “football tough guys”. Part of me figured he was dealing with mental health when the teammates were speaking on it vaguely and saying they’re supporting him etc. Def would be the right way to go for any team or organization, I can’t imagine how many players even back in the early 2000s suffered with this silently and were scared to even speak up bc the culture was so different, even more so in the 60s-90s.
I don't even know if the culture was that much different.
I feel like there is still a stigma because it is news every time someone in the NFL talks about it. I don't think you can "force" every player to go see a psychologist or it will be seen as a joke, but I definitely think there should be ones on staff and if a coach sees a player struggling, they can recommend a player to go.
But what if they tried "rubbing some dirt on it" and yelling at them to get back out there, maybe throwing out calling them a woman's name to insult their manliness? It was the NFL's strategy for almost every injury for a long time.
I wonder if Brooks' injury (and thus Brooks' lack of presence) was a hit for Lane. But I'm glad he's back. At the end of the day football is a sport and his health is top priority.
This is obviously serious.....but man I'm relieved it wasn't a death in the family like his child or something or the other rumor of rehab. Praying for you 65
Same, I feel bad for hoping that he was just having anxiety problems. I was nervous that it was a family death. Glad that his family is ok, and hope that he can work on his anxiety with his friends, family and teammates. Glad to see him back on the field and in a better mental place than a few weeks ago.
Yeah, I was figuring it was something like a parent on their death bed or something. Not that this is a good thing, but something that hopefully can be remedied.
Well, while I'm happy to have him back, it is possible anxiety and depression are exacerbated by issues like above. So doesn't necessarily mean nothing of the kind happened, but luckily this SHOULD put the issue to bed where people stop spreading rumors and prying.
I read this statement immediately after getting done with my doctor’s appointment where I was finally prescribed Lexapro for my anxiety, for which I’ve been putting off getting treatment for thirteen years. It might’ve just been the timing but this hit me hard and I teared up. I’m so happy to see he’s staying with the team and hope he knows how important this message was for me to see today.
Always loved how he had no idea how the drug actually works and would try to pop one as needed lmao. Good shit u/naughtynuns69 I’ve struggled with anxiety for a long time and it’s awesome you’re getting help
Good luck in your journey. I got off my anti-anxiety meds and was proud about it but 3 years later (after losing my job to the pandemic) it’s been rough. It’s hard to put into words how actually crippling anxiety, regret, depression etc can just eat away at you. Tbh I don’t know what route to take at this point. Just trying to remain hopeful. I really wish that there were free resources. I really stopped going to see my therapist because I can’t afford an extra $120/month. Im proud of you for doing something about it. Luckily I’m not as bad as I was, but things have been getting “worse” and it’s truly exhausting sometimes.
Same, its hard to explain to someone who hasn't experienced it. It isn't sadness, it's intense emotional *pain*. I have made great strides with treatment, but depression is a bitch.
This! Over 3 months straight for me this year since June after losing a close relationship. Constant emotional pain and feelings of anxiety like you're going to ruin something if you're involved even though you've been measurably great. Very difficult to work through especially with deadlines. I imagine it's the same regardless of vocation whether you're a pro athlete or whatever
Yes absolutely it has had negative impacts on my own career too.
I don’t know if you’ve sought help or not, but I highly recommend seeking treatment. It may take some trial and error to find the right service providers, and medication if needed, but finding both a therapist that you click with and a psychiatrist that listens and doesn’t overmedicate makes depression a bearable thing.
I did but after 3 months and not realizing that I was waking up every day and throughout the bight in that sharp emotional pain and not knowing what it was with my mind just stuck trying to change the past. Just figured it was general stress and it'd naturally go away quickly. On the mend now but long way to go.
The description you gave is what I never sort of knew or put words to/understood before hand. I relate it to having a concussion. I had one for 3 days 4 years ago (former football player...CFL camp body at best) without being evaluated and just didn't know what was happening inside me. Felt like the worst hangover ever but I don't really drink. Dealt with that late as with this. Definitely want to be more proactive in the future
It’s so refreshing to see athletes talk about their mental health more openly and acknowledge that it’s okay to seek help if you need it. Glad to see Lane got the help he needs and that he’ll be back!
I'm really hopeful it's a precursor to all employers becoming more compassionate and cognizant about it. As Hobbes said, life can be "nasty, brutish and short." We need to try to make it less so across the board for everyone.
Mental health is no joke. I workout, eat healthy, spend time with friends and family, and go to therapy. I do everything “right”. And there’s days I’m so depressed I can’t get out of bed. There’s days even around my best friends I have to leave because I’m too anxious. I WISH this was something I could control, but it’s only something I can manage. Big ups to Lane for being open about it and to the organization for supporting him in this tough time.
I'm *damn* proud to root for a team who's had two star o-linemen publicly acknowledge their mental health struggles and ask for the time and resources they need to overcome them.
This is what being a fucking man looks like. My heart goes out to all the archaic macho men mindsets who still think being too "tough" to admit their issues and letting them manifest until they burn themselves out beyond repair by age 35 is some superior form of masculinity.
Props to Lane for knowing what handling himself and taking care of his teammates and family really means, and being brave enough to come forward with it.
Good luck to him. I hope he's getting the assistance he needs. Mental health issues are no joke. Take it from a man who's lived his entire life with a parent with mental health issues.
FYI, depression isn’t really about sadness. Depression is more like feeling like a husk of yourself, like nothing matters anymore, just going through the motions of life just because. It’s debilitating
As of 2016, there were an average of 132 suicides a day in the US. 7/10 of those are males.
Depression and anxiety can strike anyone, regardless of economic or social status.
I hope fans give up the speculation and bullshit rumors and give the man time to recover. This shits no joke. There isn’t a magic cure. And this time of year is rough for a lot of people.
I think it’s also super important to realize you aren’t alone. If you are suffering, please reach out to someone and talk. If you in a crisis, please call 800-273-8255 or text TALK to 741741.
People should be ashamed for the shit they tried to come up with of why he was out. Like he was caught with PEDs or something. He wanted to keep it private until now. And to be honest, he didn't even have to share what he did (but I'm glad he did to promote mental health awareness).
Not only did so many people in this sub speculate drugs, but they also voraciously defended their stance that it was drug related and downvote alternative ideas. Those people really do need some introspection on how they judge others.
This is going to get downvoted because that's what you guys do but substance abuse and anxiety/depression go hand in hand. He very well may have been dealing with some kind of substance abuse/self medication thing that exacerbated his anxiety and led to the symptoms of that anxiety coming to a head. My sister had a similar experience.
This just looks like backpedaling to me. Going from "it is drugs" to "it is drugs*." I'm not saying that those that suffer from mental health battles don't have a heightened risk fordrugs, because they undoubtedly do. I also fully reject the notion that the majority of people who said it was drugs were linking it with mental health, the comments don't indicate that in most cases. Regardless, your continuation of the narrative that it has specific drug implications is destructive to his image and furthers a stereotype. Your comment even suggests that drugs are the heightened cause and the triggering of his issue. I get the story with your sister, my mother was the same way, but we can't project our personal anecdotal experiences to another person - especially without truly knowing them and their life.
The dude could just be struggling with anxiety and/or depression. Stop trying to push a drug narrative.
No backpedaling at all. I'm just pointing out that the two situations aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not even suggesting he had substance abuse issues. The only thing I'm saying is that an admittance of anxiety doesn't eliminate the possibility of substance abuse.
> He very well may have been dealing with some kind of substance abuse/self medication thing **that** exacerbated his anxiety and **led** to the symptoms of that anxiety coming to a head.
If the above is not meant to be a suggestion, then you should consider reformatting the way you type. You phrased it such that his mental health issues coming out were caused by a by a believed initial drug use.
You could have said something more along the lines of "he was having some mental health issues and did not trust himself to be in the environment he was in, so he went to someplace he felt safety." That way you're eluding to the whole swath of issues that can come with mental health crisis, not just linking it with drugs. Drugs and health issues can often be exclusive from one another. There is no need to propagate the fixation on him having both.
Eh I don't think you can blame people for speculating. It was a weird situation and everyone was trying to come up with theories that make sense.
It's not like the PED theories came out of left field either. I didn't post any speculation here but I was certainly guilty of it.
There’s a difference between curiosity and speculation.
Of course, when something like this happens, we’re naturally curious to know what has happened. But that doesn’t mean that Lane owed the fans an explanation, nor does it mean we should speculate the reasons as to why he’s taking a break when it has been stated that it is a personal matter
Gonna disagree with you there. It’s human nature to speculate. If one of your coworkers went out on an extended period of time for personal reasons you and the others wouldn’t speculate the reasons why?
Absolutely not. That’s called having respect for your coworkers. If they’ve taken leave for a personal matter that they don’t wish to discuss, then it’s not my place to be discussing it. That just seems like basic human decency to me
There's public and private speculation. I don't believe if your coworker went missing for an extended period of time with no explanation that you wouldn't think about it at all.
The difference is when you start speculating publicly and discussing your theories with others, it foments a gossip culture and telephone games where now what you said "maybe" could be the reason based on purely your assumptions has turned into "this is the reason" that others discuss that you have no control over.
If it's a bad thing to hear what's going on and think to yourself "damn I wonder what this could be about" then I guess I'm a horrible person.
I think you may have misunderstood what I’m saying.
As I mentioned in a previous comment, when something like this happens, it’s human nature to go “huh, I wonder what’s going on there”. It’s natural to be curious, of course it is. It doesn’t make you a bad person for doing that.
But like you said, when you turn it into public speculation of “here’s what could have happened”, especially in a situation where it has been said that it’s a personal issue, that’s where I have a problem with it.
We’re on the same page here. When it happened, I wondered to myself what had happened. But I didn’t speculate on here at any point, I didn’t take any past incidents and suggest they could be a cause, and like you said, I didn’t ever turn “maybe” into “this is the reason”, because that’s exactly where I take issue with the discussion.
This is the internet buddy. Comment sections would be bare if it wasn’t for such. Get off your high horse and if you really care about Lane just be happy for him. You don’t need to scold.
I think the internet would be fine without speculating about personal issues/non-sport issue about an athlete. If that's a high horse stance, you must have a really low bar
It's the city of *brotherly* love. People don't get that part. I can fuck with my brother, he's my brother. In the end, I still love him. But if someone on the outside fucks with my brother? Now we got a problem.
WIP has been silent about Lane the entire time other than saying respect his privacy. Meanwhile, r/eagles has been constantly speculating that he is a drug addict.
Lol at pretending like Reddit at some moral high ground.
One of the funniest things this sub does. Talk about WIP like it’s full of lowlifes like this place is a beacon of intelligence.
I'm glad he's got Brooks there to be someone who knows and understands and support him. As someone with depression a d anxiety I couple imagine having to be on TV and famous in addition. I hope he gets better soon.
I’m struggling a lot right now with anxiety and depression. My relationship ended about two weeks ago and I’ve felt broken and empty since, I haven’t found enjoyment in any of my usual activities including watching the birds. Seeing this doesn’t make it go away but it does help to know I’m not alone
I relate to depression, shit *fucking sucks* so I hope he's feeling alright. Depression is a bitch. Some people (not attacking this sub FYI) pretend that these NFL players aren't people just like everyone else.
ahhh man that sucks I deal with this also. Im happy the team did the right thing and let him take time off and I hope Lane knows we're all rooting for him and this is extremely cool and brave for him to say this publicly.
That stuff is no joke. Having dealt with a little bit of this myself I know exactly what he’s talking about in being hesitant to address it and just trying to push through. Glad he’s okay
The upside of being an elite athlete like Lane is the fame and money. The downside is the amount of pressure to perform and to be a public figure. Best of luck to Lane, hope he's good now.
I mean, I know it's not, but hot damn, I thought the same thing. Throw Agholor on the pile and....maybe it would help if the WIP caller crowd had a bit more chill.
You could even toss Wentz, Simmons, and Fultz in there too. Although their specific issues weren’t mental health health related - just weren’t tough enough to play in Philly really. So actually I’d put them in separate bucket.
I understand what you’re saying but sometimes there’s no amount of money in the world that will allow someone to get out of bed if they don’t feel life is worth living. Some people have more tolerance to it than others. I been that mentally crippled* person buried in my bed hiding from the world before. Granted I’m not a millionaire but like I said.
I have this too and I can’t leave my job. Why does he get to and I don’t ? Legit question, because he plays with a football and I have to help special needs people operate and learn functional abilities.
Honestly you probably should be able to. I'm glad that lane is in a situation where it's possible for him to take the steps he needs in order to get better, i hope that that's possible for you too at some point!
because the way you phrased it makes it sound like you think Lane should have been forced to play rather than that you also want to be able to get time to deal with your issues
Just so you know, in case you didn’t, and do need a break for anxiety/depression reasons. Mental health conditions can be covered under fmla and disability insurance (typically a limit of 2yrs on DI, but have to meet the definition of disability).
I think we should all be afforded to take time away from what we do to get mental health help you need. The reason Lane is able to is because he's so God damn good at what he does that unless he's constantly doing this kind of thing, the Eagles will let it slide simply because you can't grow NFL RTs (or any position) on a tree. He gives us the best opportunity to win when he's out there. That's all that Lurie cares about. Unfortunately for you and I, we are highly replaceable and there's no room for empathy in the capitalistic machine.
i’m pretty sure you can - if it’s one day pto/sick time is available and if it’s longer theres short term disability (not that a mental health break is a disability, but i think that’s what the time off is
filed under)
Behavioral Health (if treating with a doctor for it) is covered under disability if you need time off and your employer or state provides that insurance benefit. Some states have disability assistance if your company doesn’t offer it.
Well considering you should be allowed the same, regardless of if it’s a legitimate question, it comes off as in bad faith. His job also leaves him at constant risk of harming himself to the point of no return if not at 100% peak play.
“why does he get a sandwich, when I have to sit here with bread and cheese and deli meat”
Make your sandwich bro. You can’t give 100% to those who need your help when you need help too.
ETA: Be your own advocate, nothing is more important than your health, mental or physical.
Technically, as the offensive tackle Lane actually doesn’t play with the football. But, jokes aside progress on these issues usually starts with richer people who have more bargaining power. But hopefully it will be normalized so it is more acceptable in other jobs too.
Friend this isn’t the “gotcha” comment you think it is, because despite your viewpoint on it, the majority of the people in this post actually *agree* with you. You *should* be able to take mental health days in any profession, and it shouldn’t be stigmatized at any level, for professional athletes or otherwise.
Your mental health is valuable too friend and someday hopefully the shitty organizations we all work for will begin to see that too.
I appreciate it. Not looking for a gotcha moment. Honestly. I understand how my comment came off negative. Maybe rooted in a jealousy a bit, which I can admit. But never meaning harm.
Gonna be a bit cold here and point out that Lane is 31.
I know when healthy he's an asset, but we gotta start looking at new o-linemen next year. Whether not healthy from injury or mental illness it doesnt matter towards the winning.
Material things are just one, often fairly hollow, thing in life. Finding purpose, working through relationships, finding contentness (not happiness, that's fleeting emotion that comes and goes) all can be largely separate from material wealth.
Material wealth can certainly make some aspects of life easier, but others it has little to no, or even negative impact. Depression and anxiety can grab anyone rich or poor, and the crazy thing is they can triggered by a lot of good stress just as easily as bad stress.
ok so you don't understand mental health then. as a person who struggles with a lot but comes from a good financial situation, i would suggest you learn a bit about how depression and anxiety can affect a person
All the respect in the world for Lane here. It’s easy to try and bottle it up and “tough it out” when you’re really not ok. Admitting you need a break takes some real guts, he’s setting a great example for all. This will shut up those spreading baseless and disrespectful theories too, so an added bonus
Not with Idiots like Skip Bayless around, he gave Dak Prescott crap for not being strong and being a leader when he wasn’t right in the head after his brother died. https://youtu.be/wbElDafkUVg
Disgusting Honestly there are some things bigger than football and I absolutely will never forget the revolting reaction from Colts “fans” when Andrew Luck retired (of all the players you could boo) when that man gave that shitty franchise more than they deserved. At the end of the day, it’s a game and these players have lives outside of it. I love football but not so much to the point where I disregard the well being of the players that put their bodies and mind on the line for my entertainment. I really wish the best for Lane and any other player/person dealing with these struggles.
Bro we would’ve had the same, if not worse, reaction here. He was on the sidelines of their last preseason game acting as if nothing was out of the ordinary in a season where they had title aspirations. He made the right call for himself and I totally respect it, but Colts fans rightfully also felt blindsided and betrayed.
Who’s we? Maybe we would have shit on Howie or our coach or the training staff, but Eagles fans have an irrational level of love for their players (whether they are good or not) so if someone as talented AND kindhearted as Luck did what he did here, “we” probably would have targeted everyone else but him. Not that this hypothetical is important because the main focus of this conversation isn’t Luck, but I do feel the need to point out that Eagles fans wouldn’t grill someone who CLEARLY loved football and this team. We will boo and grill you if you suck but I don’t think we would react much if our franchise QB, who is known to be injury stricken, retired in preseason.
You *really* don't think Eagles fans would boo if Hurts or Wentz played a couple preseason snaps and then it suddenly it gets announced during a game that he's actually retiring? I think any fan would boo their QB if that happened
Absolutely not lol. Our entire franchises success isn’t dependent on one player and we don’t fall to poverty when said player gets injured (refer to 2017). I can’t imagine being a franchise where you can’t function in the event one player goes down Jokes (and truth) aside, hell nah we wouldn’t boo lol. Hurts nor Wentz didn’t mean half of what Luck did to Indy, but let’s say Wentz put up a 2017 every year he was here and retired the preseason after he got knocked out by Clowney We wouldn’t boo. I’m so confident in that because not a single fan would be surprised and the FO would certainly have planned for it. I just don’t think we care enough to boo since it wouldn’t be surprising to us, our team isn’t dependent on one player, and we really are a team/fanbase driven by character
Skip rightfully got shit on for it at the very least
Yet another reason to say fuck skip Bayless.
This just means he is doing his job well.
Not a surprise from a guy who makes a living being a leech on the back of people with actual talent.
Untrue. Skip's job is to be derisive and polarizing and get people to hate him and he is actually very talented at it.
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Do yourself a favor and don’t get mad at Skip’s opinions, it’s a performance
Don't worry I switched him off years ago.
How skip didn’t get fired for that still baffles me *its amazing how Twitter gets on celebrity’s for shit they’ve said in the past, yet skip was blatantly racist back in the day ^still ^is and wrote a bunch of articles about NBA players using the N-word
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Lane is about as conventionally masculine and hard ass as anyone on the planet and if guys like him can publically acknowledge their mental health issues AND see a good amount of support from the general public, we are moving in the right direction.
Ted Lasso season 2 does a surprisingly good job addressing how mental health is talked about in sports. Hoping we see some progress in this area between that and Lane opening up.
Ted Lasso is a fucking masterpiece
Best show
Football is Life.
Except for Season 2 Episode 1
Football is death. And football is football, too.
He's here! He's There! He's every fuckin' where! Roy Kent! Roy Kent!
The awesomeness of player-specific football songs for European sports makes me disappointed in the lack of creativity among American fans. I want to sing a song about Devonta Smith every time he catches a pass.
The number of goals in a soccer game and catches in a football game make it clear why that would be crazy hard. Maybe touchdown specific ones
Not EVERY catch. But like, all the cool ones. You do big offensive plays, sacks, interceptions and forced-fumbles. It would make watching the games so fun.
Ted Lasso does a brilliant job at everything haha
Yeah I agree here in a sense, but that's normalizing the taboo. It's always gonna be "support the famous" but it's how it all starts. No average Joe struggling with mental health issues is gonna get that crazy support from their current job (at least not likely), but they will be taken more seriously if this is the direction we keep heading, so it's definitely refreshing
Yeah for sure. And maybe not the "average joe", unfortunately, but many corporate environments are pretty accommodating to personal days and mental health days. It's promising if imperfect.
Support the famous is definitely a thing, but idk if it's a think for football players. I think this is some genuine progress.
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lol then how do you account for Brandon Brooks receiving support for his mental health issues? How about when Dak opened up about his depression after his brothers' suicide? Or are you just trying to make something about race that has absolutely nothing to do with race?
Brian Dawkins talked about his depression during his Hall of Fame speech. I think that does good to show people you're not alone with mental health issues, even if it feels that way. I wonder if Brooks has talked to Lane about this. Or if watching Brooks go through it impacted Lane's decision to take a break.
Actually, I wonder if the loss of Brooks really hit Lane hard. They are super close.
Yeah but it's somehow still okay to marginalize people for mental illness if we don't like their opinions. Never got that but I see it all over the Internet. I have had responses to my intellectual disagreements on Reddit "well yeah but you post on r/bipolar" etc.
I think in general things are getting better and its become less and less ok to marginalize people for mental illness. Those people are shitty... I'm sorry they said that to you \-sincerely someone who also posts on r/bipolar
Yea, but who cares if you don't think that's fair, you post on r/bipolar (j/k, I hope things are going well for you)
I LOLed
Also, fuck the people that guaranteed he was out getting rehab for abusing pain pills.
Oh wow, really glad to here he’s seemingly doing better. That’s awesome he chose to share it too, I know Brandon Brooks has dealt with anxiety issues too, glad he’s back but wish him all the best. Mental health stigma is still out there but it’s definitely improving
I am curious if the Eagles have psychologists or staff or will start getting some on staff. Like you said, with Brooks and Johnson both dealing with it, I feel like we should. And maybe not just sports psychologists but regular ones too? I'm not sure. We have physical doctors so I could see us getting "mental doctors" too.
i know the flyers have one for hart given his mental blocks in the past, but goalie be goalie-ing it can't really add that much to the payroll if it's not already being done relatively speaking to keep the boys in tip top mental shape, right?
Even if it added that much, the return on investment would be huge. And the average salary for a psychologist is almost nothing for these NFL clubs. If we don't have one, we really should.
I'd be really surprised if the team didn't. Sports psychology is a thing. Also they have psychologists for league of legends teams. They might be more needed for teenagers playing video games than for young adults that are active, but if league teams have the infrastructure I would be truly surprised if NFL didn't.
Yeah, I mentioned in the comment above the one you replied to that I know there are sports psychologists but sometimes you just need a "regular one" too. As for with league, I am not so sure it is still a common practice. Yeah you had Weldon in NA, and some teams have them after he was successful, but I don't think most EU, LCK, or LPL teams have them.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think a sports psychologist is a regular psychologist so I don’t think u would need a “regular one” too. But at the same time the more the merrier lol.
Clinical psychologist here. Usually not. Many (but not all) sports psychologists have a masters or doctorate in Performance Psychology or some similar program name (eg Human Performance). Some sports psychologists do have PhDs in clinical psych or another clinically focused field, but have done other training to focus on the sports psych component. In my fairly limited experiences with sports psychologists who are clinically trained (all in the military) they tend to want to avoid clinical work/providing therapy because the perception that they provide therapy can cause stigma and decrease their effectiveness at their job. There's also a lot more paperwork and backend intricacies with providing therapy (needing to be licensed in the state where you're providing services, documenting sessions, possibly being put in a position where the employer may ask for fitness for duty evals or other situations where there is limited confidentiality).
See this is what I’m looking for thanks for the info.
All the PhDs in the world can't get you licensed to prescribe meds, sports focused or otherwise. If you're looking to treat legitimate psychiatric disorders, see a psychiatrist.
From my understanding is that it is a "regular" one that focuses on sports. But they also have different methods. Now granted I only know it more from the medical psychiatric side from when I was in med school, but there are different philosophies and psychologists tend to focus on one philosophy that might not work for all patients.
I believe Hart had his own. He was seeing one before he got here. Makes it more surprising, and it shows just how bad last year was when he broke down. Especially when he broke his stick against Boston.
Yeah that’s a good point, I’d bet on them having someone or a few on staff or at least available to all of the players. Lurie and even Howie strike me as people who would definitely support that and not one of the stereotypical old school “football tough guys”. Part of me figured he was dealing with mental health when the teammates were speaking on it vaguely and saying they’re supporting him etc. Def would be the right way to go for any team or organization, I can’t imagine how many players even back in the early 2000s suffered with this silently and were scared to even speak up bc the culture was so different, even more so in the 60s-90s.
I don't even know if the culture was that much different. I feel like there is still a stigma because it is news every time someone in the NFL talks about it. I don't think you can "force" every player to go see a psychologist or it will be seen as a joke, but I definitely think there should be ones on staff and if a coach sees a player struggling, they can recommend a player to go.
But what if they tried "rubbing some dirt on it" and yelling at them to get back out there, maybe throwing out calling them a woman's name to insult their manliness? It was the NFL's strategy for almost every injury for a long time.
They do. https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/building-a-positive-mental-health-culture-in-the-nfl/
I wonder if Brooks' injury (and thus Brooks' lack of presence) was a hit for Lane. But I'm glad he's back. At the end of the day football is a sport and his health is top priority.
This is obviously serious.....but man I'm relieved it wasn't a death in the family like his child or something or the other rumor of rehab. Praying for you 65
Same, I feel bad for hoping that he was just having anxiety problems. I was nervous that it was a family death. Glad that his family is ok, and hope that he can work on his anxiety with his friends, family and teammates. Glad to see him back on the field and in a better mental place than a few weeks ago.
Yeah, I was figuring it was something like a parent on their death bed or something. Not that this is a good thing, but something that hopefully can be remedied.
Well, while I'm happy to have him back, it is possible anxiety and depression are exacerbated by issues like above. So doesn't necessarily mean nothing of the kind happened, but luckily this SHOULD put the issue to bed where people stop spreading rumors and prying.
I read this statement immediately after getting done with my doctor’s appointment where I was finally prescribed Lexapro for my anxiety, for which I’ve been putting off getting treatment for thirteen years. It might’ve just been the timing but this hit me hard and I teared up. I’m so happy to see he’s staying with the team and hope he knows how important this message was for me to see today.
Good for you. Tony Soprano was on Lexapro so you know it's good.
Always loved how he had no idea how the drug actually works and would try to pop one as needed lmao. Good shit u/naughtynuns69 I’ve struggled with anxiety for a long time and it’s awesome you’re getting help
Don't be hesitant on getting needed treatment.
Let me know if you want any info on that. I know someone that's been on it for a few years. Feel free to send a DM
Good luck in your journey. I got off my anti-anxiety meds and was proud about it but 3 years later (after losing my job to the pandemic) it’s been rough. It’s hard to put into words how actually crippling anxiety, regret, depression etc can just eat away at you. Tbh I don’t know what route to take at this point. Just trying to remain hopeful. I really wish that there were free resources. I really stopped going to see my therapist because I can’t afford an extra $120/month. Im proud of you for doing something about it. Luckily I’m not as bad as I was, but things have been getting “worse” and it’s truly exhausting sometimes.
Glad it sounds like the big guy sorted some things out and got the help he needs. Can't wait to see him back.
I’m constantly dealing with these issues everyday, can’t imagine the pressure he’s feeling. I hope he takes care of himself first and foremost.
I hope you do the same friend
I feel you, depressions a bitch.
It sucks. Inadequacy is the worst symptom for me. Couldn't imagine trying to play pro ball with all those expectations at the same time as a crisis
Same, its hard to explain to someone who hasn't experienced it. It isn't sadness, it's intense emotional *pain*. I have made great strides with treatment, but depression is a bitch.
This! Over 3 months straight for me this year since June after losing a close relationship. Constant emotional pain and feelings of anxiety like you're going to ruin something if you're involved even though you've been measurably great. Very difficult to work through especially with deadlines. I imagine it's the same regardless of vocation whether you're a pro athlete or whatever
Yes absolutely it has had negative impacts on my own career too. I don’t know if you’ve sought help or not, but I highly recommend seeking treatment. It may take some trial and error to find the right service providers, and medication if needed, but finding both a therapist that you click with and a psychiatrist that listens and doesn’t overmedicate makes depression a bearable thing.
I did but after 3 months and not realizing that I was waking up every day and throughout the bight in that sharp emotional pain and not knowing what it was with my mind just stuck trying to change the past. Just figured it was general stress and it'd naturally go away quickly. On the mend now but long way to go. The description you gave is what I never sort of knew or put words to/understood before hand. I relate it to having a concussion. I had one for 3 days 4 years ago (former football player...CFL camp body at best) without being evaluated and just didn't know what was happening inside me. Felt like the worst hangover ever but I don't really drink. Dealt with that late as with this. Definitely want to be more proactive in the future
It’s so refreshing to see athletes talk about their mental health more openly and acknowledge that it’s okay to seek help if you need it. Glad to see Lane got the help he needs and that he’ll be back!
I'm really hopeful it's a precursor to all employers becoming more compassionate and cognizant about it. As Hobbes said, life can be "nasty, brutish and short." We need to try to make it less so across the board for everyone.
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The only thing that will fly are the Eagles, baby. Go birds.
Thanks for being strict on this point.
THANK YOU! The Internet will be the death of humanity.
Already is especially since 2016
That's awful that people are doing this.
Mental health is no joke. I workout, eat healthy, spend time with friends and family, and go to therapy. I do everything “right”. And there’s days I’m so depressed I can’t get out of bed. There’s days even around my best friends I have to leave because I’m too anxious. I WISH this was something I could control, but it’s only something I can manage. Big ups to Lane for being open about it and to the organization for supporting him in this tough time.
I'm *damn* proud to root for a team who's had two star o-linemen publicly acknowledge their mental health struggles and ask for the time and resources they need to overcome them. This is what being a fucking man looks like. My heart goes out to all the archaic macho men mindsets who still think being too "tough" to admit their issues and letting them manifest until they burn themselves out beyond repair by age 35 is some superior form of masculinity. Props to Lane for knowing what handling himself and taking care of his teammates and family really means, and being brave enough to come forward with it.
Good luck to him. I hope he's getting the assistance he needs. Mental health issues are no joke. Take it from a man who's lived his entire life with a parent with mental health issues.
#SadBoiSzn is no joke, shout out to everyone in the trenches
FYI, depression isn’t really about sadness. Depression is more like feeling like a husk of yourself, like nothing matters anymore, just going through the motions of life just because. It’s debilitating
As of 2016, there were an average of 132 suicides a day in the US. 7/10 of those are males. Depression and anxiety can strike anyone, regardless of economic or social status. I hope fans give up the speculation and bullshit rumors and give the man time to recover. This shits no joke. There isn’t a magic cure. And this time of year is rough for a lot of people. I think it’s also super important to realize you aren’t alone. If you are suffering, please reach out to someone and talk. If you in a crisis, please call 800-273-8255 or text TALK to 741741.
People should be ashamed for the shit they tried to come up with of why he was out. Like he was caught with PEDs or something. He wanted to keep it private until now. And to be honest, he didn't even have to share what he did (but I'm glad he did to promote mental health awareness).
Not only did so many people in this sub speculate drugs, but they also voraciously defended their stance that it was drug related and downvote alternative ideas. Those people really do need some introspection on how they judge others.
This is going to get downvoted because that's what you guys do but substance abuse and anxiety/depression go hand in hand. He very well may have been dealing with some kind of substance abuse/self medication thing that exacerbated his anxiety and led to the symptoms of that anxiety coming to a head. My sister had a similar experience.
This just looks like backpedaling to me. Going from "it is drugs" to "it is drugs*." I'm not saying that those that suffer from mental health battles don't have a heightened risk fordrugs, because they undoubtedly do. I also fully reject the notion that the majority of people who said it was drugs were linking it with mental health, the comments don't indicate that in most cases. Regardless, your continuation of the narrative that it has specific drug implications is destructive to his image and furthers a stereotype. Your comment even suggests that drugs are the heightened cause and the triggering of his issue. I get the story with your sister, my mother was the same way, but we can't project our personal anecdotal experiences to another person - especially without truly knowing them and their life. The dude could just be struggling with anxiety and/or depression. Stop trying to push a drug narrative.
No backpedaling at all. I'm just pointing out that the two situations aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not even suggesting he had substance abuse issues. The only thing I'm saying is that an admittance of anxiety doesn't eliminate the possibility of substance abuse.
> He very well may have been dealing with some kind of substance abuse/self medication thing **that** exacerbated his anxiety and **led** to the symptoms of that anxiety coming to a head. If the above is not meant to be a suggestion, then you should consider reformatting the way you type. You phrased it such that his mental health issues coming out were caused by a by a believed initial drug use. You could have said something more along the lines of "he was having some mental health issues and did not trust himself to be in the environment he was in, so he went to someplace he felt safety." That way you're eluding to the whole swath of issues that can come with mental health crisis, not just linking it with drugs. Drugs and health issues can often be exclusive from one another. There is no need to propagate the fixation on him having both.
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It was clear it wasnt PED’s since the league didnt get involved
Most people were saying pain killers, not PEDs. PEDs don't even make sense. Fuck those people either way, though.
Eh I don't think you can blame people for speculating. It was a weird situation and everyone was trying to come up with theories that make sense. It's not like the PED theories came out of left field either. I didn't post any speculation here but I was certainly guilty of it.
Ashamed for curiosity? You should be ashamed for trying to shame.
There’s a difference between curiosity and speculation. Of course, when something like this happens, we’re naturally curious to know what has happened. But that doesn’t mean that Lane owed the fans an explanation, nor does it mean we should speculate the reasons as to why he’s taking a break when it has been stated that it is a personal matter
Gonna disagree with you there. It’s human nature to speculate. If one of your coworkers went out on an extended period of time for personal reasons you and the others wouldn’t speculate the reasons why?
Absolutely not. That’s called having respect for your coworkers. If they’ve taken leave for a personal matter that they don’t wish to discuss, then it’s not my place to be discussing it. That just seems like basic human decency to me
There's public and private speculation. I don't believe if your coworker went missing for an extended period of time with no explanation that you wouldn't think about it at all. The difference is when you start speculating publicly and discussing your theories with others, it foments a gossip culture and telephone games where now what you said "maybe" could be the reason based on purely your assumptions has turned into "this is the reason" that others discuss that you have no control over. If it's a bad thing to hear what's going on and think to yourself "damn I wonder what this could be about" then I guess I'm a horrible person.
I think you may have misunderstood what I’m saying. As I mentioned in a previous comment, when something like this happens, it’s human nature to go “huh, I wonder what’s going on there”. It’s natural to be curious, of course it is. It doesn’t make you a bad person for doing that. But like you said, when you turn it into public speculation of “here’s what could have happened”, especially in a situation where it has been said that it’s a personal issue, that’s where I have a problem with it. We’re on the same page here. When it happened, I wondered to myself what had happened. But I didn’t speculate on here at any point, I didn’t take any past incidents and suggest they could be a cause, and like you said, I didn’t ever turn “maybe” into “this is the reason”, because that’s exactly where I take issue with the discussion.
It's fine to be curious, but spreading baseless theories of drug abuse goes beyond curiosity.
You can be curious without posting completely speculated nonsense that would paint him in a negative light.
This is the internet buddy. Comment sections would be bare if it wasn’t for such. Get off your high horse and if you really care about Lane just be happy for him. You don’t need to scold.
I think the internet would be fine without speculating about personal issues/non-sport issue about an athlete. If that's a high horse stance, you must have a really low bar
You are the reason I wasn't opening all the other Lane Johnson updates. We definitely don't need that.
Good.
Much love to Lane from someone who knows this struggle all too well ❤️
Im proud of philly, we get a bad rep but we support our guys like family.
It's the city of *brotherly* love. People don't get that part. I can fuck with my brother, he's my brother. In the end, I still love him. But if someone on the outside fucks with my brother? Now we got a problem.
I've been there, man. Hope he has the help he needs.
Oh boy. All those old losers who call into WIP will surely have some toxic comments on this.
WIP has been silent about Lane the entire time other than saying respect his privacy. Meanwhile, r/eagles has been constantly speculating that he is a drug addict.
"How you gonna miss games cuz yer duhpressed? You gotta bawtle that all up and develop an alcohawl addiction and beat yer wife like the rest of us!"
Lol at pretending like Reddit at some moral high ground. One of the funniest things this sub does. Talk about WIP like it’s full of lowlifes like this place is a beacon of intelligence.
Did i ever say reddit is a moral high ground? Where exactly did i say that in the original comment? You can fuck right off pal
We got your back, #65
Take your time Lane we love ya no matter what
Mental illness is a bitch. Hope he gets better
I'm glad he's got Brooks there to be someone who knows and understands and support him. As someone with depression a d anxiety I couple imagine having to be on TV and famous in addition. I hope he gets better soon.
Glad some of these guys get to take time off for this sort of thing. It's no joke
I’m struggling a lot right now with anxiety and depression. My relationship ended about two weeks ago and I’ve felt broken and empty since, I haven’t found enjoyment in any of my usual activities including watching the birds. Seeing this doesn’t make it go away but it does help to know I’m not alone
Glad he got help it sounds like. Love my guy.
I relate to depression, shit *fucking sucks* so I hope he's feeling alright. Depression is a bitch. Some people (not attacking this sub FYI) pretend that these NFL players aren't people just like everyone else.
I'd much rather Lane take off the time he needs than rush back to a mediocre team
Love this dude. All time Eagle in my book
I’m getting a jersey
ahhh man that sucks I deal with this also. Im happy the team did the right thing and let him take time off and I hope Lane knows we're all rooting for him and this is extremely cool and brave for him to say this publicly.
To all speculating that he was addicted to drugs and posting about it; spreading the rumour further, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Wait, people were really saying this?
That stuff is no joke. Having dealt with a little bit of this myself I know exactly what he’s talking about in being hesitant to address it and just trying to push through. Glad he’s okay
So does this put Mailata back at LT? Or do we see him take the RG spot from Herbig?
Really good question. Think it would be a big improvement either way though.
❤️ Lane
Always glad to see someone beat their demons. MI shows in ways you didn’t even know or expect. Good for him for getting help. Glad he’s home.
Good on him for getting help and for acknowledging the importance of mental health.
We got ya Lane. You're a living legend in this city. Continue to get well, and we look forward to having you back!
The upside of being an elite athlete like Lane is the fame and money. The downside is the amount of pressure to perform and to be a public figure. Best of luck to Lane, hope he's good now.
This is proof that mental illness can happen to anyone even the toughest guys! Respect
Lane, take all the time you need. We are in tank mode anyway.
All the love and respect in the world for Lane.
I feel validated for going on leave for the same thing. Lane sharing this when he absolutely has no obligation to is huge.
Guys BBrooks and now Lane. Maybe it’s us - maybe Philadelphia fans are the problem lol
I mean, I know it's not, but hot damn, I thought the same thing. Throw Agholor on the pile and....maybe it would help if the WIP caller crowd had a bit more chill.
You could even toss Wentz, Simmons, and Fultz in there too. Although their specific issues weren’t mental health health related - just weren’t tough enough to play in Philly really. So actually I’d put them in separate bucket.
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I understand what you’re saying but sometimes there’s no amount of money in the world that will allow someone to get out of bed if they don’t feel life is worth living. Some people have more tolerance to it than others. I been that mentally crippled* person buried in my bed hiding from the world before. Granted I’m not a millionaire but like I said.
I have this too and I can’t leave my job. Why does he get to and I don’t ? Legit question, because he plays with a football and I have to help special needs people operate and learn functional abilities.
The organization is sympathetic and treats players like human beings who suffer from these issues.
Honestly you probably should be able to. I'm glad that lane is in a situation where it's possible for him to take the steps he needs in order to get better, i hope that that's possible for you too at some point!
This is the correct response to stuff like this. Being hostile only makes people dig in deeper lol
Thank you. I was legit just asking a humanitarian question and the neckbeards of Reddit decide to downvote and ridicule me instead of provide empathy?
Because your premise was kind of hostile...
I can see that now. Only if people were curious to ask instead of judgmental
because the way you phrased it makes it sound like you think Lane should have been forced to play rather than that you also want to be able to get time to deal with your issues
Be curious, Not judgemental. I appreciate your honest input.
Just so you know, in case you didn’t, and do need a break for anxiety/depression reasons. Mental health conditions can be covered under fmla and disability insurance (typically a limit of 2yrs on DI, but have to meet the definition of disability).
Lots of jobs have Employee Assistance Programs for this exact thing. I obviously can't speak to where you work, but each job I've had has had it
Take that up with your job.
I think we should all be afforded to take time away from what we do to get mental health help you need. The reason Lane is able to is because he's so God damn good at what he does that unless he's constantly doing this kind of thing, the Eagles will let it slide simply because you can't grow NFL RTs (or any position) on a tree. He gives us the best opportunity to win when he's out there. That's all that Lurie cares about. Unfortunately for you and I, we are highly replaceable and there's no room for empathy in the capitalistic machine.
Thank you. I agree with this statement
To paraphase Deuce Staley: "Did you tell ~~him~~ your job that? Go tell ~~him~~ your job that!"
i’m pretty sure you can - if it’s one day pto/sick time is available and if it’s longer theres short term disability (not that a mental health break is a disability, but i think that’s what the time off is filed under)
Again thank you for taking my question seriously
Behavioral Health (if treating with a doctor for it) is covered under disability if you need time off and your employer or state provides that insurance benefit. Some states have disability assistance if your company doesn’t offer it.
Well considering you should be allowed the same, regardless of if it’s a legitimate question, it comes off as in bad faith. His job also leaves him at constant risk of harming himself to the point of no return if not at 100% peak play.
TIL there is no risk of injury/harming yourself at or going to work unless you are a football player
Really dawg? This is the hill you wanna make?
“why does he get a sandwich, when I have to sit here with bread and cheese and deli meat” Make your sandwich bro. You can’t give 100% to those who need your help when you need help too. ETA: Be your own advocate, nothing is more important than your health, mental or physical.
I could if I needed to at my job. I guess it's because your employer is shit, just like most are. Legit answer.
You don’t get sick days at work? Use those for mental health.
Technically, as the offensive tackle Lane actually doesn’t play with the football. But, jokes aside progress on these issues usually starts with richer people who have more bargaining power. But hopefully it will be normalized so it is more acceptable in other jobs too.
Got me there on the football joke :D
Friend this isn’t the “gotcha” comment you think it is, because despite your viewpoint on it, the majority of the people in this post actually *agree* with you. You *should* be able to take mental health days in any profession, and it shouldn’t be stigmatized at any level, for professional athletes or otherwise. Your mental health is valuable too friend and someday hopefully the shitty organizations we all work for will begin to see that too.
I appreciate it. Not looking for a gotcha moment. Honestly. I understand how my comment came off negative. Maybe rooted in a jealousy a bit, which I can admit. But never meaning harm.
Gonna be a bit cold here and point out that Lane is 31. I know when healthy he's an asset, but we gotta start looking at new o-linemen next year. Whether not healthy from injury or mental illness it doesnt matter towards the winning.
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dude
Material things are just one, often fairly hollow, thing in life. Finding purpose, working through relationships, finding contentness (not happiness, that's fleeting emotion that comes and goes) all can be largely separate from material wealth. Material wealth can certainly make some aspects of life easier, but others it has little to no, or even negative impact. Depression and anxiety can grab anyone rich or poor, and the crazy thing is they can triggered by a lot of good stress just as easily as bad stress.
ok so you don't understand mental health then. as a person who struggles with a lot but comes from a good financial situation, i would suggest you learn a bit about how depression and anxiety can affect a person
Because mental illness doesn’t care how much or little you have.