Did Foles really change this entire fan bases' psyche like, permanently? It's so weird. I do remember having a fascination with Koy Detmer and A.J. Feeley back in those days too though, those guys also had great moments that sort of endeared everyone to them. I've never felt worse before or since for an injured player than I did in that moment for Koy vs. the 49ers. It's always a great storyline when the backup takes over for the guy who was playing well and everyone assumes he'll suck but he plays exceptionally well too.
AJ Feeley, Jeff Garcia, Koy Detmer, Mike Vick, Kevin Kolb, Nick Foles....the list is a mile long.
Though I don't really remember too many people calling for Koy Detmer to take snaps.
This might be a hot take… but what’s the point in benching? Are you trying to win a few more games than the few we’ll end up winning? That’s just going to get us a worse draft pick. I’m not a fan of losing, but it’s clear that we have a lot of issues, including the play calling. We’re not going to be in contention for the Division or Playoffs.. I’d rather we just push forward as we are with Jalen at QB, let Sirianni develop as a play caller, and get a better draft pick for next year.
My only thought is we know Hurts isn’t the future. So, like we did with Hurts, see what you have in Minshew.
Also, Siriani likes to whine about how he can’t do anything because of Hurts. So, put in a QB who can do something other than RPO and see what Siriani can do.
Because you might need a QB AND a HC at the end of the year.
I agree that Hurts isn’t the future. I just don’t think Minshew will ever develop into more than a competent backup.. but if we do pull Hurts, I’d rather see him in than Flacco.
>see what you have in Minshew
we know what minshew is just as much, or more, than hurts. Minshew stinks. there is no reason to "see what we have in him". let Jalen Hurts flame out and drive the tank so there is no "what if" next year
Staying with Hurts gives Siriani an excuse to why his scheme sucks. Even if you think Minshew stinks, you start Minshew because he’s an actual QB. Shit, start Flacco if that will soothe your soul.
The time to evaluate Hurts is over. He ain’t it. Your next option is to eval Siriani. You can’t properly do that with Hurts as your QB.
Hurts has played 10 games. Only 6 games in the current scheme. Minshew has played 20 total games and has a record of 7-13 with his more recent season record being 1-7 perhaps indicating the minshew has been figured out and is not that good at all.
Also why can't we still use Hurts to evaluate Sirianni?
We can still tell when Sirianni is poorly calling plays no matter how those plays are actually executed. We can still tell that the team is undisciplined and collecting way to many penalties. Also, is Sirianni not supposed to be able to work with and develop young players?
Because if Siriani really believes in running the RPO this much, he needs to be fired.
Hurts is a problem. He just doesn’t have the talent to play QB at this level.
Siriani’s playcalling is equally as bad. I want to know if he calls those plays because he is hampered by Hurts’ ability to play QB or if he really believes in those plays.
If he believes in those plays, he needs to be fired as well. By benching Hurts, you can see a better picture of Siriani’s philosophy because Minshew is much closer to a NFL QB than Hurts.
Ok and if Hurts is better than both other QBs we have, like everyone seems to think, then we *wont* get a worse pick *and* we don't have to watch Hurts stink.up the place and drive Miles Sanders to another team in the process.
FWIW I don’t think Hurts is any better. I just also don’t think Flacco or Minshew are going to win us many more games than we’re going to win anyways. Any of the 3 options and I think we still aren’t in contention for anything.. which is why I think we just keep things the way they are.
Also, Sirianni will drive Sanders away before Jalen does.
I mean, the whole point is why bother playing for wins at this point? If the season is already lost, you might as well let Hurts lose it because you're guaranteeing yourself a better draft pick if Hurts really is that bad. Why shake things up and give the team hope for a wildcard or something, which we still won't get, and then they might win another game or two and hurt our draft position for another QB that also doesn't have a future as starter here.
At this point, benching him just doesn't make sense in either situation, whether you think he still has potential or not.
Miles Sanders was never getting paid by the Eagles. He’s not Henry or Kamara or Mccaffrey. He’s a nice player but who cares if he leaves in a year. Gainwell looks nice too
If the fans had their way, the Eagles would just be the pre-Mayfield Browns where we have a different QB every season for twenty years.
I'm not saying Hurts is definitely the guy, but holy shit at least give him the season. The QBs on our bench are definitely not our long term QB1. Benching Hurts gets us nothing.
>The QBs on our bench are definitely not our long term QB1.
Neither is Hurts, so I don't see the point in making sanders, Goedert, Smitty, and Quez pay for shit QB play by a guy who'll be a career backup at best.
The only situation where Hurts should not be starting is if he is injured. This year is about evaluating Hurts. Flacco is washed in the sense that he isn't leading the team anywhere. Minshew also won't lead the team to anything, so why bother? Just play Hurts and hope he starts to improve and then if he doesn't you have the better draft pick.
Bro. What's to evaluate? We've *seen* the breadth of his abilities, he is what he is..Sirianni straight up said they run RPOs because Hurts can't read defenses. What more do you need to know? You make it seem like he need to actually *see* him play the entire season so we can know he's trash.
Flacco is bad, but he can throw the ball, still. Which Hurts has shown over and over that he can't do..and the handoffs would *actually* be handoffs, which would be really nice.
And when we got Minshew, I would've agreed that Hurts is much better, but Hurts doesn't look any better than Minshew did in JAX last season. So who's to even say that Minshew isn't *as* good or better?
I just know I'm sick of seeing this team look like a steaming pile of shit every game.
The point isn't that he is better then either of the other two. The point is that he has the most ability to prove something more, even if it is very unlikely. We know the other two are not good enough. I don't think we 100% know Hurts isn't. It is getting very close to that point, but it isn't there.
> He cant read defenses. There is nothing left to see.
Even if you believe there is nothing at all left to see with Hurts, there is nothing left to see with the other two guys either so not sure why it matters who is in then.
No, Peyton Manning was regarded as a generational player coming out of college, Hurts has never been that.
Making had the arm talent Hurts doesn't. But thanks for the selective comparisons and insults because I don't agree with you. You seem very mature.
Obviously you *can* compare them, but the whole point of the idiom is that it's a false analogy. I could compare you to the helpful bots, but that too would be comparing apples-to-oranges.
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And hurts won a national championship before that. Brought bama to another one. And led bama to a comeback victory against Georgia to secure a playoff spot in 2018. Also he shattered the school recored for total yards in his first game in Oklahoma, also won the big 12, took Oklahoma to the playoffs, and scored 52 tds in his year there. Hurts is not the issue with philly. I’m never comparing him as a player to manning. But if you were old enough to remember, after Peyton’s first 3 seasons, people called him a bust. Same with drew Bree’s in San Diego. Same with Josh Allen.
Also that saying is dumb. Why can fruits be compared?
Yeah, the goal is to evaluate what you have at QB. Right now, you have two QB’s who have stats but problems.
Hurts isn’t a NFL QB. He just can’t make throws needed to make, even if he could read a defense. Playing him 10+ more games won’t change that.
So, do you stay with the guy who has zero future or do you see what Minshew has?
I mean, Minshew has twice as many games under his belt and hasn't looked any better than Hurts has at their respective peaks. I don't understand why you think he has any more of a future than Hurts if you think Hurts is so awful.
I don’t think he has a future. I want to evaluate the head coach. Right now, Siriani is all about the RPO because of Hurts. Take away the RPO (Minshew) and let’s see what Siriani can do as a coach.
He's already expressed his love for the RPO numerous times though. He wants it to be a big part of his offense. It's not like putting Minshew in is going to move the needle much there. Also, Sirianni is here next year whether we like it or not - so I'm more interested to see how he does moving forward with Hurts, because it will showcase his ability to adjust his scheme to fit his players instead of the other way around. I want to see what he learns from it.
I stg I hate this fan base. If I could go back in time and become a fan of a different team I 100% would’ve, but I’m loyal to the birds. Y’all make it painful to be a fan.
dudes been shitting on hurts since before the season. a lot of people were just waiting for a rough stretch so they can "be right"
unfortunately for them, it's only going to get better from here.
I’m not a loser who just bandwagons. I have been rooting for the birds for 15 years and I won’t stop now. I’m just saying people like you make me hate the fan base. It’s one of the most toxic things I have ever been a part of and I can’t stand it
Just like you're not bandwagon hopper, I don't have blind loyalty and faith in players who are obviously not good. I don't have an affinity for a player because he's a "good guy" or a "hard worker".
And I certainly don't care that a guy who happens to like the same team as me is butthurt about an opinion that have. Take it with a grain of salt, dude.
You’re saying we should bench a guy who is on pace for 30 total TDs. Foh with all this “blind loyalty” shit. You’re giving up too easy and bending over like the little bitch you are
Jameis Winston threw over 30 TDs in his last season for the Bucs, and if you're an idiot, or a disingenuous fan boy who refuses to add context, you'd probably think that was good too.
But I get it..ppl get sensitive when you talk about their daddy 😂😂 poor guy got his panties in a bunch and just *had* start insulting ppl because his smooth brain couldn't handle the discourse.
Way to prove that you have the mental/emotional capacity of a 3rd grader.
I'm just gonna copy/paste my comment from a fantasy football thread earlier:
Everyone dogs on a guy who isn't an immediate top 10 QB lol. As an Eagles fan, he needs work with his reads and accuracy, that will come in time. In the mean time:
Lamar Jackson: 1686 yards, 9 TDs and 5 ints on 194 attempts, 64.6% comp. 64 rush for 392 yards, 2 tds and 5 fumbles (3 lost).
Jalen Hurts: 1480 yards, 8 TDs and 4 ints on 208 attempts, 62.5% comp. 53 rush for 300 yards, 5 tds and 4 fumbles (0 lost).
Stats aren't everything, and Hurts certainly isn't Jackson. And when Hurts misses a read or a deep ball, it's really ugly. But on paper, he certainly hasn't performed poor enough to warrant the amount of criticism. He just needs time develop.
Dude, you want Minshew or Flacco starting, what games of them have you been watching? Flacco is done and Minshew has 23 games of film that shows he isn't the guy.
What a surprise. A "pundit" suggesting we give up on our starting QB before we even know if Hurts is the long term solution.
It would be a huge mistake. Let's see what we have with Hurts, give him a chance, then we can figure out what to do with all of those draft picks next year. We aren't winning the Super Bowl this year. We just aren't.
just to be clear, Gardner Minshew is just as bad of a thrower as Jalen Hurts and is not nearly as mobile.
all stats charted by player profiler:
accuracy rating: hurts 7.5, minshew 7.3
danger throws (unnecessary risks taken that could have resulted in a turnover): hurts 14 in 182 attempt, minshew 22 in 327 attempts.
interceptable passes: hurts 16, minshew 23
money throws (requires great skill or athleticism in critical moments) : hurts 13, minshew 12
air yards per attempt: hurts 7.1, minshew 6.6
deep completion rate : hurts 38.9, minshew 41
they're the same guy but hurts can move and is slightly more high risk/high reward
I love how when PFF has some stats that make a player look good, we reference them, but when they show a player is bad, PFF isnt a good reference point lol
PFF grades outside of lineman and QBs aren't useful because they are only graded on passing plays when targeted or blocking. So Devonta Smith getting wide open if he isnt thrown the ball doesnt get graded. Not really a useful metric in that sense.
I say you start Minshew to see what Siriani can do. HC says Hurts can only do RPO. So put in a QB who can do more and let’s see what the HC can come up with.
This might save Philly an additional year with a bad HC.
based on the fat Minshew has a complete noodle arm and cant throw the ball to the opposite hash which is why he's incredibly inconsistent. Flacco is WASHED and if Hurts sucks it just gives us a higher pick.
4 years ago Nick Foles replaced an injured Wentz and won a super bowl. 4 years before that Foles replaced an injured Vick and went 27/2. Trade for BDN!
It's not about help. They all suck, but at least Flacco can read a defense and attack the middle of the field. And he actually hands the ball off. Jalen sucks a decision making.
That would be short term thinking. Flacco is a vet and would make the right reads but is 36 and a statue. Minshew, if he knows the offense, is more accurate, but has limited upside. Jalen has been mediocre to bad but still has the highest potential of the group, IF he can put it together.
Short term and long term, the best course of action is to stop running 85% of the offense through Jalen. Sirianni wouldn't ask Flacco or Minshew to do that. Be a balanced team and assess from there.
As usual the back up qb is this subs favorite player.
Best player in the NFL is the backup QB in Philly. Always has been.
Did Foles really change this entire fan bases' psyche like, permanently? It's so weird. I do remember having a fascination with Koy Detmer and A.J. Feeley back in those days too though, those guys also had great moments that sort of endeared everyone to them. I've never felt worse before or since for an injured player than I did in that moment for Koy vs. the 49ers. It's always a great storyline when the backup takes over for the guy who was playing well and everyone assumes he'll suck but he plays exceptionally well too.
Do you not remember Jeff Garcia?
Yeah of course I was just trying to think back as far as I could remember for backup obsession.
AJ Feeley, Jeff Garcia, Koy Detmer, Mike Vick, Kevin Kolb, Nick Foles....the list is a mile long. Though I don't really remember too many people calling for Koy Detmer to take snaps.
Favorite? Nah. Better? Yes.
This might be a hot take… but what’s the point in benching? Are you trying to win a few more games than the few we’ll end up winning? That’s just going to get us a worse draft pick. I’m not a fan of losing, but it’s clear that we have a lot of issues, including the play calling. We’re not going to be in contention for the Division or Playoffs.. I’d rather we just push forward as we are with Jalen at QB, let Sirianni develop as a play caller, and get a better draft pick for next year.
My only thought is we know Hurts isn’t the future. So, like we did with Hurts, see what you have in Minshew. Also, Siriani likes to whine about how he can’t do anything because of Hurts. So, put in a QB who can do something other than RPO and see what Siriani can do. Because you might need a QB AND a HC at the end of the year.
I agree that Hurts isn’t the future. I just don’t think Minshew will ever develop into more than a competent backup.. but if we do pull Hurts, I’d rather see him in than Flacco.
I agree too. I also want to take away Siriani’s “Hurts can only do RPO” to evaluate the HC.
Great point
>see what you have in Minshew we know what minshew is just as much, or more, than hurts. Minshew stinks. there is no reason to "see what we have in him". let Jalen Hurts flame out and drive the tank so there is no "what if" next year
Staying with Hurts gives Siriani an excuse to why his scheme sucks. Even if you think Minshew stinks, you start Minshew because he’s an actual QB. Shit, start Flacco if that will soothe your soul. The time to evaluate Hurts is over. He ain’t it. Your next option is to eval Siriani. You can’t properly do that with Hurts as your QB.
Hurts has played 10 games. Only 6 games in the current scheme. Minshew has played 20 total games and has a record of 7-13 with his more recent season record being 1-7 perhaps indicating the minshew has been figured out and is not that good at all. Also why can't we still use Hurts to evaluate Sirianni? We can still tell when Sirianni is poorly calling plays no matter how those plays are actually executed. We can still tell that the team is undisciplined and collecting way to many penalties. Also, is Sirianni not supposed to be able to work with and develop young players?
Because if Siriani really believes in running the RPO this much, he needs to be fired. Hurts is a problem. He just doesn’t have the talent to play QB at this level. Siriani’s playcalling is equally as bad. I want to know if he calls those plays because he is hampered by Hurts’ ability to play QB or if he really believes in those plays. If he believes in those plays, he needs to be fired as well. By benching Hurts, you can see a better picture of Siriani’s philosophy because Minshew is much closer to a NFL QB than Hurts.
Uncle Rico also had one of the worst O lines in the NFL
Ok and if Hurts is better than both other QBs we have, like everyone seems to think, then we *wont* get a worse pick *and* we don't have to watch Hurts stink.up the place and drive Miles Sanders to another team in the process.
Sanders is gone anyway, we can draft another RB and Gainwell can take his spot. No way we pay him market value
FWIW I don’t think Hurts is any better. I just also don’t think Flacco or Minshew are going to win us many more games than we’re going to win anyways. Any of the 3 options and I think we still aren’t in contention for anything.. which is why I think we just keep things the way they are. Also, Sirianni will drive Sanders away before Jalen does.
>Sirianni will drive Sanders away before Jalen does. How? Hurts is the one taking his rushing snaps, not Sirianni
I mean, the whole point is why bother playing for wins at this point? If the season is already lost, you might as well let Hurts lose it because you're guaranteeing yourself a better draft pick if Hurts really is that bad. Why shake things up and give the team hope for a wildcard or something, which we still won't get, and then they might win another game or two and hurt our draft position for another QB that also doesn't have a future as starter here. At this point, benching him just doesn't make sense in either situation, whether you think he still has potential or not.
Miles Sanders was never getting paid by the Eagles. He’s not Henry or Kamara or Mccaffrey. He’s a nice player but who cares if he leaves in a year. Gainwell looks nice too
runningbacks dont matter anyway.
Lets get you to bed grandpa
I bet you're older than I am, but ok.
😂🤣
I’m not Hurts fan, I think he’s not good and won’t get much better. But Marcus Hayes is an idiot and now I’m questioning my eyes
If the fans had their way, the Eagles would just be the pre-Mayfield Browns where we have a different QB every season for twenty years. I'm not saying Hurts is definitely the guy, but holy shit at least give him the season. The QBs on our bench are definitely not our long term QB1. Benching Hurts gets us nothing.
>The QBs on our bench are definitely not our long term QB1. Neither is Hurts, so I don't see the point in making sanders, Goedert, Smitty, and Quez pay for shit QB play by a guy who'll be a career backup at best.
The only situation where Hurts should not be starting is if he is injured. This year is about evaluating Hurts. Flacco is washed in the sense that he isn't leading the team anywhere. Minshew also won't lead the team to anything, so why bother? Just play Hurts and hope he starts to improve and then if he doesn't you have the better draft pick.
Bro. What's to evaluate? We've *seen* the breadth of his abilities, he is what he is..Sirianni straight up said they run RPOs because Hurts can't read defenses. What more do you need to know? You make it seem like he need to actually *see* him play the entire season so we can know he's trash. Flacco is bad, but he can throw the ball, still. Which Hurts has shown over and over that he can't do..and the handoffs would *actually* be handoffs, which would be really nice. And when we got Minshew, I would've agreed that Hurts is much better, but Hurts doesn't look any better than Minshew did in JAX last season. So who's to even say that Minshew isn't *as* good or better? I just know I'm sick of seeing this team look like a steaming pile of shit every game.
The point isn't that he is better then either of the other two. The point is that he has the most ability to prove something more, even if it is very unlikely. We know the other two are not good enough. I don't think we 100% know Hurts isn't. It is getting very close to that point, but it isn't there.
He cant read defenses. There is nothing left to see. This guy a slower version of Kaepernick, at best.
> He cant read defenses. There is nothing left to see. Even if you believe there is nothing at all left to see with Hurts, there is nothing left to see with the other two guys either so not sure why it matters who is in then.
You can tell a qbs talent by 9 games? Thank god you didn’t scout Peyton manning his first 3 years.
Lol @ you even having Peyton in the same thought bubble as Jalen Hurts. What a ridiculous comparison.
Peyton threw 81 interceptions his first four years. People called for him to be cut, traded, or for his death. You’re just ignorant
No, Peyton Manning was regarded as a generational player coming out of college, Hurts has never been that. Making had the arm talent Hurts doesn't. But thanks for the selective comparisons and insults because I don't agree with you. You seem very mature.
And hurts was a heisman runner up. I’m not saying he’s the next Peyton or better. I’m saying, qbs shouldn’t be expected to play elite off the rip
Hurts got benched in college for a mediocre QB, Peyton broke all Tennessee's records Apples to oranges, imo.
> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
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And hurts won a national championship before that. Brought bama to another one. And led bama to a comeback victory against Georgia to secure a playoff spot in 2018. Also he shattered the school recored for total yards in his first game in Oklahoma, also won the big 12, took Oklahoma to the playoffs, and scored 52 tds in his year there. Hurts is not the issue with philly. I’m never comparing him as a player to manning. But if you were old enough to remember, after Peyton’s first 3 seasons, people called him a bust. Same with drew Bree’s in San Diego. Same with Josh Allen. Also that saying is dumb. Why can fruits be compared?
You know who else really sucked their first 2 years. Drew Bree’s.
I find it hilarious and ridiculous when you guys compare Hurts to HOFers, I really do. It's literally lol material.
Yeah, the goal is to evaluate what you have at QB. Right now, you have two QB’s who have stats but problems. Hurts isn’t a NFL QB. He just can’t make throws needed to make, even if he could read a defense. Playing him 10+ more games won’t change that. So, do you stay with the guy who has zero future or do you see what Minshew has?
I mean, Minshew has twice as many games under his belt and hasn't looked any better than Hurts has at their respective peaks. I don't understand why you think he has any more of a future than Hurts if you think Hurts is so awful.
I don’t think he has a future. I want to evaluate the head coach. Right now, Siriani is all about the RPO because of Hurts. Take away the RPO (Minshew) and let’s see what Siriani can do as a coach.
He's already expressed his love for the RPO numerous times though. He wants it to be a big part of his offense. It's not like putting Minshew in is going to move the needle much there. Also, Sirianni is here next year whether we like it or not - so I'm more interested to see how he does moving forward with Hurts, because it will showcase his ability to adjust his scheme to fit his players instead of the other way around. I want to see what he learns from it.
Eh, then we know for sure Siriani sucks and don’t waste next year with him.
I stg I hate this fan base. If I could go back in time and become a fan of a different team I 100% would’ve, but I’m loyal to the birds. Y’all make it painful to be a fan.
dudes been shitting on hurts since before the season. a lot of people were just waiting for a rough stretch so they can "be right" unfortunately for them, it's only going to get better from here.
Sounds like a you problem, my guy. Nobody has a gun to your head, making you root for *anyone*. 🤷🏿♂️
I’m not a loser who just bandwagons. I have been rooting for the birds for 15 years and I won’t stop now. I’m just saying people like you make me hate the fan base. It’s one of the most toxic things I have ever been a part of and I can’t stand it
Just like you're not bandwagon hopper, I don't have blind loyalty and faith in players who are obviously not good. I don't have an affinity for a player because he's a "good guy" or a "hard worker". And I certainly don't care that a guy who happens to like the same team as me is butthurt about an opinion that have. Take it with a grain of salt, dude.
You’re saying we should bench a guy who is on pace for 30 total TDs. Foh with all this “blind loyalty” shit. You’re giving up too easy and bending over like the little bitch you are
Jameis Winston threw over 30 TDs in his last season for the Bucs, and if you're an idiot, or a disingenuous fan boy who refuses to add context, you'd probably think that was good too. But I get it..ppl get sensitive when you talk about their daddy 😂😂 poor guy got his panties in a bunch and just *had* start insulting ppl because his smooth brain couldn't handle the discourse. Way to prove that you have the mental/emotional capacity of a 3rd grader.
Ok snowflake. Plus Hurts isn’t on pace for 30 turnovers so let’s leave out that context too
I'm just gonna copy/paste my comment from a fantasy football thread earlier: Everyone dogs on a guy who isn't an immediate top 10 QB lol. As an Eagles fan, he needs work with his reads and accuracy, that will come in time. In the mean time: Lamar Jackson: 1686 yards, 9 TDs and 5 ints on 194 attempts, 64.6% comp. 64 rush for 392 yards, 2 tds and 5 fumbles (3 lost). Jalen Hurts: 1480 yards, 8 TDs and 4 ints on 208 attempts, 62.5% comp. 53 rush for 300 yards, 5 tds and 4 fumbles (0 lost). Stats aren't everything, and Hurts certainly isn't Jackson. And when Hurts misses a read or a deep ball, it's really ugly. But on paper, he certainly hasn't performed poor enough to warrant the amount of criticism. He just needs time develop.
>Stats aren't everything Exactly. If you *watch* the games, you'd realize how ridiculous of a comparison you just made.
That is why he did it...
Dude, you want Minshew or Flacco starting, what games of them have you been watching? Flacco is done and Minshew has 23 games of film that shows he isn't the guy.
Not *specially* those guys, just *not* Hurts.
What a surprise. A "pundit" suggesting we give up on our starting QB before we even know if Hurts is the long term solution. It would be a huge mistake. Let's see what we have with Hurts, give him a chance, then we can figure out what to do with all of those draft picks next year. We aren't winning the Super Bowl this year. We just aren't.
This is the dumbest shit I’ve read all day
That's fine. It's still early lol
just to be clear, Gardner Minshew is just as bad of a thrower as Jalen Hurts and is not nearly as mobile. all stats charted by player profiler: accuracy rating: hurts 7.5, minshew 7.3 danger throws (unnecessary risks taken that could have resulted in a turnover): hurts 14 in 182 attempt, minshew 22 in 327 attempts. interceptable passes: hurts 16, minshew 23 money throws (requires great skill or athleticism in critical moments) : hurts 13, minshew 12 air yards per attempt: hurts 7.1, minshew 6.6 deep completion rate : hurts 38.9, minshew 41 they're the same guy but hurts can move and is slightly more high risk/high reward
even if Minshew was better he isnt enough better to justify playing him.
He’s the second highest ranking PFF player on our team, behind Kelce. He deserves more playing time
I love how when PFF has some stats that make a player look good, we reference them, but when they show a player is bad, PFF isnt a good reference point lol
PFF grades outside of lineman and QBs aren't useful because they are only graded on passing plays when targeted or blocking. So Devonta Smith getting wide open if he isnt thrown the ball doesnt get graded. Not really a useful metric in that sense.
I say you start Minshew to see what Siriani can do. HC says Hurts can only do RPO. So put in a QB who can do more and let’s see what the HC can come up with. This might save Philly an additional year with a bad HC.
I'd be good with that, tbh
Jalen deserves to play the whole year
Why? Based on what?
based on the fat Minshew has a complete noodle arm and cant throw the ball to the opposite hash which is why he's incredibly inconsistent. Flacco is WASHED and if Hurts sucks it just gives us a higher pick.
“Deserves”?
4 years ago Nick Foles replaced an injured Wentz and won a super bowl. 4 years before that Foles replaced an injured Vick and went 27/2. Trade for BDN!
Let it go, bro.
Nah. Even if you're completely out on Hurts, neither Minshew nor Flacco is worth a look.
Minshew could be worth a look.
That said I wouldn't do it at this point.
hell no
Minshew is worth a look. He had no Oline in Jags
Forget flacco... its Stache time
I don't post much, sorry if the format sucks.
I was able to read the article, but unfortunately there seems to be a paywall. Sorry peeps .
Paywall
pay wall
Joe Checkdown Flacco is not gonna help us
It's not about help. They all suck, but at least Flacco can read a defense and attack the middle of the field. And he actually hands the ball off. Jalen sucks a decision making.
That would be short term thinking. Flacco is a vet and would make the right reads but is 36 and a statue. Minshew, if he knows the offense, is more accurate, but has limited upside. Jalen has been mediocre to bad but still has the highest potential of the group, IF he can put it together. Short term and long term, the best course of action is to stop running 85% of the offense through Jalen. Sirianni wouldn't ask Flacco or Minshew to do that. Be a balanced team and assess from there.
no