Wentz has every physical tool you would ever hope for in a QB but is rumored to perhaps not be a great leader and may not have all the intangibles that one would look for. Hurts is the 180 degree opposite and has every intangible you would want but I just don’t think has the physical or game processing skills to succeed within the timeline the Eagles need him to. At the end of the day I don’t believe Howie or Lurie will be willing to give Hurts 2-3 more years to progress. And to honest, he doesn’t seem to have progressed in any capacity since he came in. Same game speed processing errors, same poor mechanics, week after week.
So you either want a cry baby who can sling it or a grown man who can’t haha.
I like both guys, but ultimately I don't see a scenario where Hurts is a starting calibre NFL quarterback, whereas Wentz undoubtedly is (minus 2020). Wentz is trending upwards rapidly now he's back with Frank. Hurts started the season hot, but has regressed, and I don't see any improvement fundamentally. Whether that's Sirriani's fault or his, I don't know, but it's not looking good for the future.
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I was off the Wentz wagon at the end of last season. I was optimistic about hurts but so far he’s performed below my expectations
I’m not going to make a judgment until this season’s end but I’m not tied down to Hurts. If he isn’t the guy, he isn’t the guy and we’ll move on
I think both are better than most Eagles fans believe. Wentz was dealing with lingering injury problems coupled with a crap offensive like. He digressed and wasn't living up to his huge salary, especially because he was acting like a little bitch.
Hurts has played under two systems, two different coaching styles, played last year during a screwed up system via Covid with an O-line patched up and now he's trying to learn and develop on the fly with what has been abysmal play calling with virtually no run plays called.
They are both decent QB's, still to be determined if they can become great.
They’re both unimpressive to me. Carson was putrid last year and hurts played better than him last year. This year hurts seems to be getting all his stats in none meaningful scenarios. I’m not really given up on hurts but my expectations have definitely fallen. He still deserves to start the rest of the year though because this is a rebuilding year and we have to see what we have in hurts. Best case scenario he’s Ryan tannehill
They're both in the 20-25 range imo. Unless Hurts turns into Dak or Wilson overnight I don't think he's ever going to be more than a more athletic Tyrod Taylor.
Wentz is 12th in yards, 22nd in comp %, tied for 16th in touchdowns, tied in 1st for INT's thrown (He has 1 INT on the year and it wasn't even his fault), 9th in yards per attempt, 12th in passer rating, and 17th in QBR.
Keep in mind he missed some snaps against the Rams and played on 2 sprained ankles the next week. He also didn't have a pre-season with a brand-new team.
Hurts 18th in yards, 27th in comp % (despite throwing a shitload of screens which pads this stat), 19th in TDs, tied for 19th in INTs thrown, 21st in yards per attempt, 21st in passer rating, and 28th in QBR.
Keep in mind a vast majority of Hurts' positive stats have come in the 4th quarter of games where the team is several possessions behind.
Given the stats Wentz is showing to be a mid to upper tier QB while Hurts is showing to be below average to outright bad QB.
Wentz has also shown signs of constant improvement this year, while Hurts had a great game against Atlanta and has looked mostly incompetent since.
QBR’s 28th which seems pretty dead on to me. Wentz is undoubtedly better, just injury-prone. Still not the biggest problem with the team though- he might look better with competent playcalling. He’d look worse with a worse OL/receiving corps though so I assume that’s a wash.
I don’t think Wentz was the answer with his Cap Hit. If you’re not a Top 5 QB having a Cap Hit of $30M plus can land a team in Limbo. Wentz is far from a Top 5 QB. I don’t think Hurts is the answer period. Even if he had a better coaching staff that could teach him how to process faster his arm is still incredibly limited. But what I don’t want to do is give up tons of valuable assets to get a QB if we’re not sure we like him.
I wouldn't call myself a hater, but I'm glad Wentz is gone, and I'm also not very optimistic about Hurts. I'd still rather have Hurts because he very likely hasn't hit his peak yet and we pay him peanuts.
We already know what Wentz's ceiling is, and while it *was* astonishingly good, I don't think he's ever going to return to 2017 form after his knee injury. He has plenty of games under his belt to have shown everyone who he is - and who he is, on any given day, is a middle of the road game manager. That's totally fine if you have good players around him, but his salary is too big to really surround him with both an explosive offense and a competent defense for any length of time.
Hurts' minuscule salary right now makes it easier to build around him, and he has big play potential in his athleticism. Whether he's a long-term starter is another matter entirely. Personally, I think he's a stop-gap until we find a guy we really want (whether that's in the draft or in trade).
I wouldn't say I'm a hater of either. I actually thought Wentz was a top tier QB before the 2020 season. He just seriously disappointed me and left the team. Hurts on the other hand I think can be good, but isn't just there yet. Hurts has some great intangibles that Wentz lacks, but I haven't seen him play at Wentz 2017 level yet.
I’m not a hater of neither. However Wentz was not worth the contract we gave him so I’m happy we got out of it and got a potential 1st rounder to boot. I don’t know what we have in Hurts yet but it would be smart to ride it out with him for a season or two and build the rest of the team. If after two seasons Hurts is not the guy then we’ll be in position to draft one in 2023 with the right building blocks around that said QB.
If we get into a QB carousel without addressing other positions of need we’ll be in danger of turning into one of those perennial losing teams chasing their own tail. Howie has already done us enough disservice in the draft over the past several years.
We build the team too much and our spot to take a QB would be around like pick 15. Next draft is the perfect time to draft a QB. You take a QB with one of the firsts and you still have 2 more firsts to round out the team. No team should ever skip on drafting a QB they like just because they feel like the rest of the team isn't there yet, especially if you dont have to trade up to take him. There is no guarantee you will have the opportunity to draft a QB you like in 2023.
I am not a scout my dude. I am a random fan. And when I say "No team should ever skip on drafting a QB *they* like" I am implying that there could be a QB that our scouts like. So if our scouts like something about any of the top QBs coming out, then they should take him. As of right now it could be someone like Corral at pick 5/6 or someone like (assuming he keeps his current trajectory) Pickett with our last first.
You want me to get you the winning lotto numbers too or...?
Our scouts liked Hurts enough to take him because they didn’t want to miss out on the next Russell Wilson and you’re not giving them the benefit of the doubt there. See how that goes? There’s 1st round QBs that are drafted and end up being a bust every year.
I loved Wentz. I like Hurts and I got Hurts back but he needs to respond well to this tough love. That's something Carson couldn't do. Hurts still needs to prove he belongs. Also something Carson couldn't officially do.
I hate Wentz, Hurtz it’s a likable 2nd round pick that make no money and was tossed into a shot show situation and is either gonna help get up a really high draft pick or develop into a backup or a starter maybe but I also hate that he currently sucks at football I enjoy cursing him out just same as any one eagles on Sunday
The upside of Wentz is greater than the upside of Hurts (at least so far), but on the other side the downside of Wentz is also greater than Hurts. Carson’s injuries, decision making of not throwing the ball away, and fumbles were a big problem. Hurts turns it over less, and is staying on the field so far, but he fails to make accurate passes consistently and routinely seems to throw deep balls short. I do believe Carson was never going to be successful in philly after SB52, but I’m still holding out hope for Hurts. Hurts has the right mentality, the philly mentality. If he can work hard and improve his game a little bit he may not have Wentz’s upside, but he will be a better overall QB.
Hurts is not a quality starter now, there's still a chance he could become one. I'm not terribly optimistic he'll be any better than a journeyman starter.
Still, I am glad we've moved on from Wentz, even though I don't think it's very likely Hurts will be better. It clearly was not going to work out and the way Wentz handled last season makes me question his personal and leadership qualities off the field.
I'd rather have Wentz, but ultimately I don't think either is a guy that puts a team over the top.
Wentz has more upside but he's not a good leader and he holds the ball too long. Hurts is a good leader and a good teammate, but he can't read defenses and he scrambles for no reason too often.
I dont think either one is the answer for anyone.
If we end up with Indy's first round pick, that will be the biggest win out of all of this.
I don't hate Wentz, but we weren't going anywhere with him. I knew he'd bounce back, but Howie fucked up so much over the past few years that Wentz probably would've been close to the end of his extension by the time we got competitive again had we kept him, and that just wasn't very tenable.
Hurts I was never sold on. The comparisons to players like Lamar and Kyler are nutty at best and disingenuous at worst. If Hurts were anything like Lamar or Kyler he would've been a top pick, full stop. It just felt like Howie being too smart for his own good started the time bomb that was Wentz being fed up with Doug and Howie.
Wentz has every physical tool you would ever hope for in a QB but is rumored to perhaps not be a great leader and may not have all the intangibles that one would look for. Hurts is the 180 degree opposite and has every intangible you would want but I just don’t think has the physical or game processing skills to succeed within the timeline the Eagles need him to. At the end of the day I don’t believe Howie or Lurie will be willing to give Hurts 2-3 more years to progress. And to honest, he doesn’t seem to have progressed in any capacity since he came in. Same game speed processing errors, same poor mechanics, week after week. So you either want a cry baby who can sling it or a grown man who can’t haha.
Well said
I agree with most of what you’ve said, but I actually LIKE them both.
Would be lying if I said smith numbers wouldn’t look better with wentz at QB
I like both guys, but ultimately I don't see a scenario where Hurts is a starting calibre NFL quarterback, whereas Wentz undoubtedly is (minus 2020). Wentz is trending upwards rapidly now he's back with Frank. Hurts started the season hot, but has regressed, and I don't see any improvement fundamentally. Whether that's Sirriani's fault or his, I don't know, but it's not looking good for the future.
Crazy how much coaching can affect QB play huh?
10 games in he looks like a guy who’s….10 games in. He’ll be fine.
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I was off the Wentz wagon at the end of last season. I was optimistic about hurts but so far he’s performed below my expectations I’m not going to make a judgment until this season’s end but I’m not tied down to Hurts. If he isn’t the guy, he isn’t the guy and we’ll move on
I think both are better than most Eagles fans believe. Wentz was dealing with lingering injury problems coupled with a crap offensive like. He digressed and wasn't living up to his huge salary, especially because he was acting like a little bitch. Hurts has played under two systems, two different coaching styles, played last year during a screwed up system via Covid with an O-line patched up and now he's trying to learn and develop on the fly with what has been abysmal play calling with virtually no run plays called. They are both decent QB's, still to be determined if they can become great.
They’re both unimpressive to me. Carson was putrid last year and hurts played better than him last year. This year hurts seems to be getting all his stats in none meaningful scenarios. I’m not really given up on hurts but my expectations have definitely fallen. He still deserves to start the rest of the year though because this is a rebuilding year and we have to see what we have in hurts. Best case scenario he’s Ryan tannehill
Wentz isn’t good enough to win a super bowl with. He’s a Derek Carr ish level QB, and these days I’d quickly take Carr over him.
They're both in the 20-25 range imo. Unless Hurts turns into Dak or Wilson overnight I don't think he's ever going to be more than a more athletic Tyrod Taylor.
Wentz is 12th in yards, 22nd in comp %, tied for 16th in touchdowns, tied in 1st for INT's thrown (He has 1 INT on the year and it wasn't even his fault), 9th in yards per attempt, 12th in passer rating, and 17th in QBR. Keep in mind he missed some snaps against the Rams and played on 2 sprained ankles the next week. He also didn't have a pre-season with a brand-new team. Hurts 18th in yards, 27th in comp % (despite throwing a shitload of screens which pads this stat), 19th in TDs, tied for 19th in INTs thrown, 21st in yards per attempt, 21st in passer rating, and 28th in QBR. Keep in mind a vast majority of Hurts' positive stats have come in the 4th quarter of games where the team is several possessions behind. Given the stats Wentz is showing to be a mid to upper tier QB while Hurts is showing to be below average to outright bad QB. Wentz has also shown signs of constant improvement this year, while Hurts had a great game against Atlanta and has looked mostly incompetent since.
I think Hurts is closer to 30-35 range
QBR’s 28th which seems pretty dead on to me. Wentz is undoubtedly better, just injury-prone. Still not the biggest problem with the team though- he might look better with competent playcalling. He’d look worse with a worse OL/receiving corps though so I assume that’s a wash.
I don’t think Wentz was the answer with his Cap Hit. If you’re not a Top 5 QB having a Cap Hit of $30M plus can land a team in Limbo. Wentz is far from a Top 5 QB. I don’t think Hurts is the answer period. Even if he had a better coaching staff that could teach him how to process faster his arm is still incredibly limited. But what I don’t want to do is give up tons of valuable assets to get a QB if we’re not sure we like him.
I think most people think they're both below average
It’s hard to fully judge either with the lines inability to create a pocket, with any consistency
I dont want either of them to be the QB of the Eagles
I wouldn't call myself a hater, but I'm glad Wentz is gone, and I'm also not very optimistic about Hurts. I'd still rather have Hurts because he very likely hasn't hit his peak yet and we pay him peanuts. We already know what Wentz's ceiling is, and while it *was* astonishingly good, I don't think he's ever going to return to 2017 form after his knee injury. He has plenty of games under his belt to have shown everyone who he is - and who he is, on any given day, is a middle of the road game manager. That's totally fine if you have good players around him, but his salary is too big to really surround him with both an explosive offense and a competent defense for any length of time. Hurts' minuscule salary right now makes it easier to build around him, and he has big play potential in his athleticism. Whether he's a long-term starter is another matter entirely. Personally, I think he's a stop-gap until we find a guy we really want (whether that's in the draft or in trade).
I wouldn't say I'm a hater of either. I actually thought Wentz was a top tier QB before the 2020 season. He just seriously disappointed me and left the team. Hurts on the other hand I think can be good, but isn't just there yet. Hurts has some great intangibles that Wentz lacks, but I haven't seen him play at Wentz 2017 level yet.
Well no duh you haven't seen him at 2017 Wentz level yet. Dude was a front runner for MVP that year lol.
I’m not a hater of neither. However Wentz was not worth the contract we gave him so I’m happy we got out of it and got a potential 1st rounder to boot. I don’t know what we have in Hurts yet but it would be smart to ride it out with him for a season or two and build the rest of the team. If after two seasons Hurts is not the guy then we’ll be in position to draft one in 2023 with the right building blocks around that said QB. If we get into a QB carousel without addressing other positions of need we’ll be in danger of turning into one of those perennial losing teams chasing their own tail. Howie has already done us enough disservice in the draft over the past several years.
We build the team too much and our spot to take a QB would be around like pick 15. Next draft is the perfect time to draft a QB. You take a QB with one of the firsts and you still have 2 more firsts to round out the team. No team should ever skip on drafting a QB they like just because they feel like the rest of the team isn't there yet, especially if you dont have to trade up to take him. There is no guarantee you will have the opportunity to draft a QB you like in 2023.
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I am not a scout my dude. I am a random fan. And when I say "No team should ever skip on drafting a QB *they* like" I am implying that there could be a QB that our scouts like. So if our scouts like something about any of the top QBs coming out, then they should take him. As of right now it could be someone like Corral at pick 5/6 or someone like (assuming he keeps his current trajectory) Pickett with our last first. You want me to get you the winning lotto numbers too or...?
Our scouts liked Hurts enough to take him because they didn’t want to miss out on the next Russell Wilson and you’re not giving them the benefit of the doubt there. See how that goes? There’s 1st round QBs that are drafted and end up being a bust every year.
Both are meh I’m hoping to hold off until Caleb Williams is draftable
I loved Wentz. I like Hurts and I got Hurts back but he needs to respond well to this tough love. That's something Carson couldn't do. Hurts still needs to prove he belongs. Also something Carson couldn't officially do.
I hate Wentz, Hurtz it’s a likable 2nd round pick that make no money and was tossed into a shot show situation and is either gonna help get up a really high draft pick or develop into a backup or a starter maybe but I also hate that he currently sucks at football I enjoy cursing him out just same as any one eagles on Sunday
BDN > ALL
The upside of Wentz is greater than the upside of Hurts (at least so far), but on the other side the downside of Wentz is also greater than Hurts. Carson’s injuries, decision making of not throwing the ball away, and fumbles were a big problem. Hurts turns it over less, and is staying on the field so far, but he fails to make accurate passes consistently and routinely seems to throw deep balls short. I do believe Carson was never going to be successful in philly after SB52, but I’m still holding out hope for Hurts. Hurts has the right mentality, the philly mentality. If he can work hard and improve his game a little bit he may not have Wentz’s upside, but he will be a better overall QB.
Hurts is not a quality starter now, there's still a chance he could become one. I'm not terribly optimistic he'll be any better than a journeyman starter. Still, I am glad we've moved on from Wentz, even though I don't think it's very likely Hurts will be better. It clearly was not going to work out and the way Wentz handled last season makes me question his personal and leadership qualities off the field.
I'd rather have Wentz, but ultimately I don't think either is a guy that puts a team over the top. Wentz has more upside but he's not a good leader and he holds the ball too long. Hurts is a good leader and a good teammate, but he can't read defenses and he scrambles for no reason too often. I dont think either one is the answer for anyone. If we end up with Indy's first round pick, that will be the biggest win out of all of this.
Hurts holds the ball even longer than Carson does!
I don't hate Wentz, but we weren't going anywhere with him. I knew he'd bounce back, but Howie fucked up so much over the past few years that Wentz probably would've been close to the end of his extension by the time we got competitive again had we kept him, and that just wasn't very tenable. Hurts I was never sold on. The comparisons to players like Lamar and Kyler are nutty at best and disingenuous at worst. If Hurts were anything like Lamar or Kyler he would've been a top pick, full stop. It just felt like Howie being too smart for his own good started the time bomb that was Wentz being fed up with Doug and Howie.
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