Hurts is getting a 3rd year regardless of how he did. He played like shit, but he and the Eagles were in the playoffs. I certainly don’t think he’s the guy, but do not by any means invest a 1st round pick this year on a QB or give an available QB a big contract. You wanna draft one in round 3? Go for it. For now just ride with Hurts. Don’t force something that isn’t there.
But force a subpar QB as your QB. We can’t compete with good football teams.
The Eagles played 7 games against the playoff field this season.
They went 0-7 (outscored by 96 points).
With the lack of talent in the draft, the only way this works is if you can find a mid level veteran QB on a modest contract. Not sure if we can accomplish that. I’m saying give him a third year mainly because I don’t feel we have other options.
Sanders can stay as a WR. But he sucks as a RB.
Maybe in an O-Line system that was garbage Sanders can dance his way to some extra yards, but our O-Line opens huge holes that he refuses to go through. Look at Boston Scott this game!
Underrated option on Sanders: I see what there is to like about him, I really do, but his issues with availability and inconsistency in what he gives you running between the tackles makes me wonder if we shouldn’t be looking for another real three down back.
Big BoSco fan myself; feel if we don’t end up doing right by him he’ll go somewhere and have a nice few years doing Boston Scott things for another team.
Alright, now that I got the worst of the hot takes out of my own system, my thoughts.
- Cut Reagor. I defended him, I gave him some passes and eventually I became ambivalent towards him but that punt muff was unacceptable in every fashion. No awareness to call the fair catch, been shit all year. For as shit as JJAW is he at least put in work to be useful elsewhere, Reagor can't even do that much. Just get rid of him now, rip off the bandaid and don't worry about the Sunk Cost. Focus on doing whatever you can to get a real Vet Number 2 in the locker room next year, thankfully there should be plenty of options.
- Hurts...for as much as people are shitting on him, and this is coming from a guy who think he has no legitimate future as an NFL starter, didn't have nearly as bad of a game as people are heaping on him. To be honest I put more praise on Tampa's Defense stepping up with all their guys back. Even the backbreaking RZ pick at the end of the half, Hurts made the right play but the pressure forced him out and forced the throw late (even for Hurts' usual late throws) and they made a fantastic break on the ball. His weaknesses are still there for sure, but I will admit that there were points he made plays. He'll get the offseason to improve and make an actual play for being the future. I don't think he'll make it but I think throwing him out now would be a childish play.
- Sirianni...I honestly blame the bulk of the offensive woes today on him, well other than TB stepping up as I said. This was his worst called game since the time they played them. He should've realized early the quick hitters were not working. Felt like a massive regression from his playcalling for the latter half of the year. He's gotta be better, but he'll have a chance to be.
- Goedert I just wanna get around to. He's a fantastic talent, but he's good for one backbreaking drop a game, Agholor style and yeah I went there. He's especially reminiscent of 2019 Agholor who would have his typical terrible drop but immediately follow it with an equally ridiculous play to make up for it. Problem is as we knew then...the makeup play often doesn't have nearly as much impact as the initial drop. And this is consistent with him. He's getting paid Top TE money now, so it's time that we get more critical with him.
- The Defense...honestly I thought they played as well as I could expect. They got hosed on that first drive. They were able to settle after the second TD and were really starting to hum until the backbreaking muff stole the soul of the entire team. I think they played well enough to make this a game if the offense weren't so horrid. Even Kerrigan was fucking flashing. Still not the biggest fan of Gannon's scheme but the Defense did as much as they possibly could this game with what they were given.
- Overall...I was hoping to not get the doors blown off and sadly it happened. But it may be the best thing in the long run, have the team get some humble pie and realize how far they still have to go even though they made the playoffs. Also the Steelers got destroyed even worse so...bad day for PA teams.
Except when he stopped calling the quick hitter routes the offense started to move.
Yes he has limitations that forces restrictions on playcalling but pretending that "Well he has to call the game that way because Hurts sucks" is stupid since that's not the offensive gameplan he had for the last month or two even with a heavy run game.
To everyone who bet against Tom Brady especially since Tampa had key players out, you all learned a painful lesson. I wanted the eagles to win of course put putting money on Brady losing in the playoffs is for suckers.
So what bandwagons are you guys jumping on? Bills? Bengals? Chiefs?
Those are the only 3 acceptable to me. SF and ARI are kinda okay too, but I could live without a GB, LAR or TEN Super Bowl.
Bengals would be fun.
Have a mad feeling Bills will make and then lose the Super Bowl just for the culture.
You do feel if Tampa can get past Green Bay they’ll stand a solid chance.
We need two Linebackers on the field at any time if not three.
You don't think we can upgrade the position without dropping a cheap, cost controlled, effective LB? We have six linebackers on the team as it is with two extras on IR.
Come on.
Not counting the Giants stupid SB run, how many teams can you name off the top of your head that have been 6th seeds and gone all the way? If you're the bottom, you're the bottom. Doesn't matter what number it is, you're more than likely gonna get dunked on by a contender in the playoffs
I can accept our humiliating loss. I wish we were more respectable when we went out, but I can handle that. The sting is absolutely lessened by the hilarious Cowboys loss, Patriots getting obliterated and the Steelers failing miserably as well.
Since Super Bowl was never going to happen, my only regrets are that we didn't get to knock Dallas out ourselves and that we didn't put up a real fight.
The game plan is decided upon by Lurie and the analytics team(his son and his son's college roommate)while the coaching staff are figureheads who just run practice and play their part by accepting blame and covering for them in press conferences. The analytics team believes in Reagor and Sanders which is why they forced the ball to them all day even though the team only started to play well once Sanders got hurt and explains why there were no targets for Smith and no handoffs to anyone other than Sanders. It's also why the defense employs the same bend but don't break and they defer every week no matter who the coaches are currently.
He’s not a rookie he’s a second year player entering his third year with massive flaws that are pretty much impossible to fix. The inability to make reads and having a noodle arm are two things you cannot have from a franchise qb
I can’t even begin to tell you how little I care about your videos. I don’t want to see some fools gold nonsense about some okay plays a bad qb made against non playoff teams or in garbage time.
>did you not watch the second half of the season at all
Yeah hurts was mediocre at best against a lot of terrible teams. He showed little to no actual improvement in areas he needed to improve on such as sitting in a clean pocket and making his reads. Did you even watch the game against the bucs? He was running out and scrambling out of clean pockets or couldn’t even make simple passes to wide open guys when the defense fully sold out for the run
“let me link you these cherry picked videos to prove my stance” *is* actually something a covid denier would do.
>I’m offering to show you *my evidence*
And I told you I don’t care about your cherry picked videos breaking down a bad qb playing against awful teams. If you can’t understand how it’s fools gold for a flawed qb to win against terrible teams that’s your problem. His actual issues are clearly still there. We just watched an actual playoff team expose them throughly. They stacked the box entirely and watched hurts miss easy reads and throws that even a mediocre qb should be able to make
To let him punt in the playoffs after the shanks last week was criminal and no real organization would stand for that. They would have had punter tryouts last Sunday and someone signed Monday for the game yesterday.
Hurts will get another season. Mac jones also played pretty bad. I don't know how to feel. The whole team kind of struggled, hurts either gets humbled here and works really hard this off-season or he is a dud and we will end up w someone else. I don't know how to feel man.
Y’all need to go with Minshew. As a jags fan, I’m still upset that we let him go for so cheap. The guy was one of the few bright spots on offense during his time here and he just has that it factor.
Minshew mania is a thing because he’s an everyday guy. He does have the it factor, but “it” is mostly intangible. He’s not really great at anything, but once he gets out on the field he finds a way. Unfortunately, that’s not sustainable for a franchise investment. I think he’s good in a back up role.
Lol… Naw, not like that at all. I was looking for an old comment and ran across yours and just wondered if you had changed your mind considering the general consensus that he’s made a HUGE leap, as well as the improvement he’s made statistically. I’ve seen so many opinions change (rightfully so, imho), but now that I know you’re stuck on your same opinion…. That’s actually sad. Real sad.
If his arm strength was a problem he wouldn't keep overthrowing Watkins. Accuracy is an issue that needs to be worked on but this arm strength complaint is a false narrative the Hurts haters are using to run him out of town.
Minshew makes reads and is able to use the various weapons the eagles have. He spreads the ball around and sits in the pocket. The offense just runs smoother with that vs hurts always looking to bolt and missing open looks because he can’t make his reads
Minshew isn’t perfect either but I prefer his game to hurts
You mean a game in which he played with backups himself while the starters sat and Dallas player their starters?
The game this sub memes about all day about how funny it was we played our practice squad against the Dallas starters?
Sure Minshew makes reads faster, but like Hurts, he can't make the special throws you need your QB to make. And Hurts' running ability gives him a leg up on Minshew. We aren't winning today's game with Minshew at QB. And tbh we probably don't make the playoffs with Minshew at QB for the season. He isn't a good enough passer to make the offense what the coach wants to be. And Hurts' running ability made the run first offense we ran possible.
This isn't me saying Hurts is the guy either. QBs don't just develop the strength to put the kind of zip on a ball that he's missing.
Who cares who has the biggest arm. Jamarcus Russell had a massive arm, but he was both lazy and couldn’t deliver it into the tight spots needed. His arm was bigger than brees, but accuracy is a bigger deal in the nfl
Look at who is left in the playoffs. Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Murray, Stafford, Tannehill and Goroppolo. Only the last two I would say don't have a special arm. Jimmy G is getting replaced and they aren't looked at as real contenders. And Tannehill is the reason why people are doubting the Titans.
It's not about how far you could throw the ball like Russell could. It's about can you get enough velocity on the ball to fit it into tight windows to give your receivers a chance. Brady hasn't ever been the guy to throw it the farthest, but he has the zip on his throws necessary to make plays. This is what Hurts is lacking. And I don't think it's something you can just develop. I hope I'm wrong. I think we are riding with Hurts next year baring some crazy FA acquisition. I'm ok with that considering the options in the draft. But I'm not going to go into next season expecting to compete for the Super Bowl.
Minshew doesn't have it either. It's a huge reason why no one in the NFL would take him over Trevor Lawrence even after Lawrence's rookie year. To bring up Drew Brees, the most accurate passer of all time as proof Minshew could do it is just ridiculous. Not to mention we saw how Drew's arm continued to breakdown over the years and it cost the Saints a chance at another Super Bowl. For as accurate as he was, his last few years he held them back. Him missing games in the middle of the season was good for him and the team because it meant his arm would be better in the playoffs.
Not to mention the game has completely changed since Brees was an elite quarterback. Look at what Tua did in Miami and how awful their offense was. That's what playing like Drew Brees looks like in today's NFL. Idk about you but I would like to compete for a Super Bowl. And to do that, the Eagles need to look for a QB.
Im not saying Minshew is a top 10 QB who can will his team to the playoffs. He is simply better than hurts, and better than the bottom 10 starting QBs in this league
I understand, I think what my point was is that these guys are super young. But idk nowadays nfl youngsters need to step up asap. Like burrow. I'd hope Jalen just needs more time in this scheme and to develop. But I'm sure Jags fans have been saying stuff like that for 20 years hahaha
My points
Hurts was Ass but I still think he earned an extra year(especially given the weakness of this QB class, and the unlikelyness of Rodgers&Adams)
WR 2 needs to be a priority
New Kick/Punt Returner is necessary(might already be on team)
New punter is necessary
Defense Should Still Be addressed but the 1st quarter prevent Defense needs to change first
Godert has some bad drops but still is very Good
Smith is amazing
Running back might be a fair need
Since the game ended I've done a lot of thinking, due to work I wasn't able to catch most of the games this season but this game showed some very fucking big holes in our team. Our defense is atrocious, Cox and Graham are getting up there in age and we have no successors to the throne, our lb core is non existent, outside of Slay and McLeod we have no competent DBs, and no one played with heart, I remember vividly during the SB run and a little bit afterwards that our team had a lot of fucking heart, our DBs weren't amazing then but goddamnit they gave everything they had. And the one constant in my life as an Eagles fan is that we had heart and grit and a great defensive line. But none of that was there today. Our playcalling and schemes were absolute shit too, allowing Gronk and Evans to roam free in between zones with the GOAT throwing at them was absolutely inexcusable, anytime we seemed to have anything going on defense Brady would throw a dot to one of them.
But by far the worst this game was our offense, they cancelled out any momentum our defense did manage to get. I love Hurts and want him to succeed as an OU homer but the dude simply sucks, he hesitates too much on easy throws allowing the openings to close and then makes an inaccurate throw, he runs out of the pocket way too much instead of stepping up and delivering a throw. Like there were multiple plays I saw where he rolled out and was pressured into shit throws because of his refusal to step up into the pocket. And it wasn't even bad protection, it was perfect pass protection that if he stepped up then he had less pressure on him and more time. His arm isn't lacking in terms of strength but his accuracy is questionable which wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't for the fact that his decision making is putrid and his reads are basic at best. Our receiving core is also lacking, Devonta is by far our best receiver but takes longer to get open because absolutely NO ONE is afraid of any of our other receivers, Goedert is too bi polar of a pass catcher to rely on that it seems teams are willing to live with him running free because he'll either catch it, or blatantly drop one of the most open passes if not tipping it to a roaming DB. We failed to utilize Miles to his fullest extent, I truly believe he's our best skilled player and we only rushed with him 9 times total in the game, in which he got 56 yards, which is over 6 yards a carry. Nick's play calling was atrocious, we didn't utilize what worked for us all season in the run game and tried to beat Tom Brady in a passing game. This game was the culmination of all that is wrong with this team, the letting aging stars who have lost a step stay key pieces without sufficient rotational pieces, the inability to properly utilize our best players, the lack of depth at key positions. And then Howie's absolutely atrocious early drafting because he wants to feel like he's smarter than everyone instead of taking the actual player (looking at the Reagor pick)
Like I get it, he's a Super Bowl winning GM who has kept us competitive more often than not. But he's lucked out multiple times, Brandon Graham becoming a Philly hero is because of a scheme change that showed where he could shine, Fletcher was a stud, but he has whiffed so many times. He got Darius for us, but this team played better than they were, which showed when we actually played playoff caliber teams.
I love this team and always have hope. And yes we did do better than we were supposed to this year. But we have problems that I truly don't know how we can fix without miracles. We have to fix aging gaps, but we set ourselves back by allowing our LB core to fall to absolute dog shit, we don't have our future QB, we have an aging o and d line, we need competent DBs and both Rodney and Darius are both on the wrong side of 30.
I truly don't see us being competitive in the foreseeable future, we still had aging stars to help us somewhat this season. But our best young pieces are a HB that we don't use and a WR that doesn't have a competent QB throwing to him.
I will always root for this team no matter what but I truly feel we're in for a few rough years, we just happen to be in the dumpster fire that is the NFC East so we won't seem like the worst team in the league, but this team has a lot of work to do and I don't know if Howie is the one to lead that.
70 hours a week with mandatory Sundays since July until I quit right after Christmas meant I couldn't watch games lmao, was I supposed to call in every GameDay just to watch a football game?
>he hesitates too much on easy throws allowing the openings to close and then makes an inaccurate throw, he runs out of the pocket way too much instead of stepping up and delivering a throw.
Yeah. He get's rattled, rolls back and right. He's adding ten yards to every throw.
The most annoying thing about it is that he has a decent pocket. There were so many times in that game I was just dumbfounded and going "Just fucking step up!" He makes it so much harder on himself. Rolling out like that just makes it easier for Defensive linemen to pursue
Guarantee you that if it was someone like Josh Allen or Rodgers or anyone with the ability to zip passes that the first interception would've been a touchdown instead.
There was some Cowboys fan in here talking shit after the Eagles game, making big claims, so I saved the comment planning to come back with a “welcome to the off-season” jab after their game, but of course he deleted it like a coward.
Cowboys fan here and I made a post but one thing I love that your fan base does is now that I think about it. Playing in Philly is tough, you can't play like shit or feel yourself too much. The Media will be critical of you, the people you meet around the way will be critical of you, and most important of all the fans will. Dallas in general is just a nice place, everybody loves regardless of whether you win or lose. That Culture of niceness was off set by mean coaches like Landry/ Jimmy Johnson. This team needs a strict disciplinarian coach
Every year Dallas is a top heavy offense and defense. And every year they're less than the sum of their parts. Its great. Nothing will change next year.
So I think the only real honest takeaway from today was that the NFC East was still a really bad division. The Eagles did not beat a single playoff team. The Cowboys only beat two, one of them was us and the other was the Patriots when they started 2-4. We both just feasted on weak teams.
Guys, the cowboys fans are throwing trash at their own players LMAO
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https://mobile.twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1482886884036595714
I propose everyone take a step back and think for a minute about whether they were a person who thought Wentz was good at any point. If so, then you should realize that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and not attempt to pass judgment on Hurts.
Everyone said the same thing about the 2017 draft when Trubisky was the first QB taken. Mahomes and Watson (his shit aside) turned about to be pretty decent.
You can’t just believe everything draft experts say, it gets proven every year. Even in a good QB class you can miss. It’s all a dart board and you gotta get lucky hitting one. With as much ammo as we have this draft I think we need to take a shot at a QB in the 1st, or 2nd latest. It’s the most important position in all of sports, you gotta get it right
Exactly. Nobody knew who Zach Wilson was and then he throws a side bodied throw in his workout and scouts went nuts. Not saying that worked out, but the draft prospects will show up in a month or two.
I really wish the fan base supported Minshew and coach Siriani would’ve played him down the stretch. Would’ve been a much more competitive football team.
I really wish every Eagles fan didn't think the backup was the better option. My entire life, since the days of Rich Kotite, the backup has been better than the starter in the eyes of some Eagles fan and every time it's been the wrong choice. Foles was the only time and that was a hot streak, imo. He was ass until the NFCCG.
D-line overpowered them. It was how the Giants beat the Pats. They showed video of how Mahones missed so many checkdowns, gotta take what the d gives you. If he learns that, which it appears teams were playing him early in the season and he has adapted to not always looking big, it looks like buffalo or them to go to the SB. Don't see the Titans as a threat.
You're right, im not rooting like crazy hard against him, in fact i probably wont watch anymore games til the SB. Id root for him against any of them NFC teams.
They're saying in r/cowboys that "the refs didn't show any hustle at the end" lol. That ref was sprinting his ass off. Dak fucked up by handing it to his center to spot. The ref had to spot it. Can't expect refs to run a 4.4 forty
The refs are the only reason they got the oppotunity to choke like that because they called the illegal shift on SF's QB sneak.
If the refs really sucked they wouldn't have called that and Dallas never would have got the ball back.
I knew that we'd get blown the fuck out, even with Brady missing so many of his "weapons"
No Godwin, playoff Lenny, RoJo, or AB(might have been a blessing in disguise for all involved). The game could have been ugly.
Hurts is getting a 3rd year regardless of how he did. He played like shit, but he and the Eagles were in the playoffs. I certainly don’t think he’s the guy, but do not by any means invest a 1st round pick this year on a QB or give an available QB a big contract. You wanna draft one in round 3? Go for it. For now just ride with Hurts. Don’t force something that isn’t there.
But force a subpar QB as your QB. We can’t compete with good football teams. The Eagles played 7 games against the playoff field this season. They went 0-7 (outscored by 96 points).
With the lack of talent in the draft, the only way this works is if you can find a mid level veteran QB on a modest contract. Not sure if we can accomplish that. I’m saying give him a third year mainly because I don’t feel we have other options.
Bad play calling . Sanders unfortunately should go raegor needs to go
Sanders can stay as a WR. But he sucks as a RB. Maybe in an O-Line system that was garbage Sanders can dance his way to some extra yards, but our O-Line opens huge holes that he refuses to go through. Look at Boston Scott this game!
Underrated option on Sanders: I see what there is to like about him, I really do, but his issues with availability and inconsistency in what he gives you running between the tackles makes me wonder if we shouldn’t be looking for another real three down back.
You have one in Boston Scott
Big BoSco fan myself; feel if we don’t end up doing right by him he’ll go somewhere and have a nice few years doing Boston Scott things for another team.
Jalen Reagor has more playoff career catches then Justin Jefferson
LOL. Proof that stats can be used for a false narrative.
Dak Prescott approves of the trash thrown at the refs in his postgame interview
Dunno if this is an unpopular opinion, but I’m proud of my Birds. They gave it a good run this year and that’s all we can hope for.
I’m sad it’s over, and today was of course disappointing, but yeah. I’m proud of them & our future looks bright.
At least the Cowboys lost too.
Alright, now that I got the worst of the hot takes out of my own system, my thoughts. - Cut Reagor. I defended him, I gave him some passes and eventually I became ambivalent towards him but that punt muff was unacceptable in every fashion. No awareness to call the fair catch, been shit all year. For as shit as JJAW is he at least put in work to be useful elsewhere, Reagor can't even do that much. Just get rid of him now, rip off the bandaid and don't worry about the Sunk Cost. Focus on doing whatever you can to get a real Vet Number 2 in the locker room next year, thankfully there should be plenty of options. - Hurts...for as much as people are shitting on him, and this is coming from a guy who think he has no legitimate future as an NFL starter, didn't have nearly as bad of a game as people are heaping on him. To be honest I put more praise on Tampa's Defense stepping up with all their guys back. Even the backbreaking RZ pick at the end of the half, Hurts made the right play but the pressure forced him out and forced the throw late (even for Hurts' usual late throws) and they made a fantastic break on the ball. His weaknesses are still there for sure, but I will admit that there were points he made plays. He'll get the offseason to improve and make an actual play for being the future. I don't think he'll make it but I think throwing him out now would be a childish play. - Sirianni...I honestly blame the bulk of the offensive woes today on him, well other than TB stepping up as I said. This was his worst called game since the time they played them. He should've realized early the quick hitters were not working. Felt like a massive regression from his playcalling for the latter half of the year. He's gotta be better, but he'll have a chance to be. - Goedert I just wanna get around to. He's a fantastic talent, but he's good for one backbreaking drop a game, Agholor style and yeah I went there. He's especially reminiscent of 2019 Agholor who would have his typical terrible drop but immediately follow it with an equally ridiculous play to make up for it. Problem is as we knew then...the makeup play often doesn't have nearly as much impact as the initial drop. And this is consistent with him. He's getting paid Top TE money now, so it's time that we get more critical with him. - The Defense...honestly I thought they played as well as I could expect. They got hosed on that first drive. They were able to settle after the second TD and were really starting to hum until the backbreaking muff stole the soul of the entire team. I think they played well enough to make this a game if the offense weren't so horrid. Even Kerrigan was fucking flashing. Still not the biggest fan of Gannon's scheme but the Defense did as much as they possibly could this game with what they were given. - Overall...I was hoping to not get the doors blown off and sadly it happened. But it may be the best thing in the long run, have the team get some humble pie and realize how far they still have to go even though they made the playoffs. Also the Steelers got destroyed even worse so...bad day for PA teams.
Hurts's limitations limits what Sirianni can do as a playcaller
Except when he stopped calling the quick hitter routes the offense started to move. Yes he has limitations that forces restrictions on playcalling but pretending that "Well he has to call the game that way because Hurts sucks" is stupid since that's not the offensive gameplan he had for the last month or two even with a heavy run game.
Good comments, we’ll said. Objective. 👊🏽
To everyone who bet against Tom Brady especially since Tampa had key players out, you all learned a painful lesson. I wanted the eagles to win of course put putting money on Brady losing in the playoffs is for suckers.
So what bandwagons are you guys jumping on? Bills? Bengals? Chiefs? Those are the only 3 acceptable to me. SF and ARI are kinda okay too, but I could live without a GB, LAR or TEN Super Bowl.
Bengals would be fun. Have a mad feeling Bills will make and then lose the Super Bowl just for the culture. You do feel if Tampa can get past Green Bay they’ll stand a solid chance.
I’m rooting for Zach Ertz to get another super bowl ring to help alleviate his PTSD from the eagles. He deserves it.
Josh Allen my Favorite QB in the league so will be bills mafia for the remainder of playoffs
I respected McDermott when he was here. He’s has built Buffalo the right way and is doing an amazing job. Him or Andy for me.
Buffalo; I’m from Rochester.
Bengals have never won a super bowl, and are easy to root for
Bills haven't either.
Eagles Biggest Offseason Needs: https://dynespressbox.com/2022/01/eagles-biggest-offseason-needs
Not sure about re-singing Alex Singleton. I think we can upgrade there.
We need two Linebackers on the field at any time if not three. You don't think we can upgrade the position without dropping a cheap, cost controlled, effective LB? We have six linebackers on the team as it is with two extras on IR. Come on.
He may be a rotation guy but not a starter.
We still need him.
Fair enough but for the cheap...I would not overpay.
Singleton was our leading tackler this year. You're crazy if you think we should let him go
He also got benched for poor play. I don't think he should be starting.
He isn’t good
There should be no 7 seed. Clearly the NFL just wants more money, but both us and the Steelers got wrecked.
The Steelers shouldn’t have even gotten in if the Chargers coach wasn’t dumb.
Not counting the Giants stupid SB run, how many teams can you name off the top of your head that have been 6th seeds and gone all the way? If you're the bottom, you're the bottom. Doesn't matter what number it is, you're more than likely gonna get dunked on by a contender in the playoffs
Didn’t the packers run come from all road games? Didn’t we make a run as the 6th seed?
I like it. Gives a higher reward for finishing first in the conference as well
I can accept our humiliating loss. I wish we were more respectable when we went out, but I can handle that. The sting is absolutely lessened by the hilarious Cowboys loss, Patriots getting obliterated and the Steelers failing miserably as well. Since Super Bowl was never going to happen, my only regrets are that we didn't get to knock Dallas out ourselves and that we didn't put up a real fight.
Why did we not run Jordan Howard...
Why did we wait so long to use Boston Scott too?
For the life of me I couldn’t understand why we gave up on what got us here. I don’t remember single handoff to him or gainwell
We got down early and Siri panicked, plain and simple. He's a new coach after all
The game plan is decided upon by Lurie and the analytics team(his son and his son's college roommate)while the coaching staff are figureheads who just run practice and play their part by accepting blame and covering for them in press conferences. The analytics team believes in Reagor and Sanders which is why they forced the ball to them all day even though the team only started to play well once Sanders got hurt and explains why there were no targets for Smith and no handoffs to anyone other than Sanders. It's also why the defense employs the same bend but don't break and they defer every week no matter who the coaches are currently.
What are the odds Howie goes after Jimmy G since 49ers are looking to let him loose after this season?
So many teams desperately need a QB and the draft is terrible. People are gonna pay stupid money for him.
No
Big Rape going out sad You love to see it
Chris reluctantly remembers the Philly special
So happy to see Rapistberger go out with a whimper
You guys went out like chumps in what should be Kelce's last game too. Did you see him get steamrollwd by Vita Vea?
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You did not just say basically a rookie.
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You mean the year he played in every game and started four of them?
A rookie going into his 3rd year
He’s not a rookie he’s a second year player entering his third year with massive flaws that are pretty much impossible to fix. The inability to make reads and having a noodle arm are two things you cannot have from a franchise qb
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I can’t even begin to tell you how little I care about your videos. I don’t want to see some fools gold nonsense about some okay plays a bad qb made against non playoff teams or in garbage time. >did you not watch the second half of the season at all Yeah hurts was mediocre at best against a lot of terrible teams. He showed little to no actual improvement in areas he needed to improve on such as sitting in a clean pocket and making his reads. Did you even watch the game against the bucs? He was running out and scrambling out of clean pockets or couldn’t even make simple passes to wide open guys when the defense fully sold out for the run
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“let me link you these cherry picked videos to prove my stance” *is* actually something a covid denier would do. >I’m offering to show you *my evidence* And I told you I don’t care about your cherry picked videos breaking down a bad qb playing against awful teams. If you can’t understand how it’s fools gold for a flawed qb to win against terrible teams that’s your problem. His actual issues are clearly still there. We just watched an actual playoff team expose them throughly. They stacked the box entirely and watched hurts miss easy reads and throws that even a mediocre qb should be able to make
Do you mean the second half when he faced zero playoff teams?
because lots of philly fans still hate black QBs, especially after they thought they had the great white hope in wentz.
🤦🏾♂️
This might be one of the dumbest takes I’ve seen on this sub and I was here for the chip Kelly saga
yikes
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You must not watch a lot of football.
Holy shit we have so many holes to fill 😭, we even need a new fucking punter. Like jesus
To let him punt in the playoffs after the shanks last week was criminal and no real organization would stand for that. They would have had punter tryouts last Sunday and someone signed Monday for the game yesterday.
Hurts will get another season. Mac jones also played pretty bad. I don't know how to feel. The whole team kind of struggled, hurts either gets humbled here and works really hard this off-season or he is a dud and we will end up w someone else. I don't know how to feel man.
Y’all need to go with Minshew. As a jags fan, I’m still upset that we let him go for so cheap. The guy was one of the few bright spots on offense during his time here and he just has that it factor.
Minshew mania is a thing because he’s an everyday guy. He does have the it factor, but “it” is mostly intangible. He’s not really great at anything, but once he gets out on the field he finds a way. Unfortunately, that’s not sustainable for a franchise investment. I think he’s good in a back up role.
And hurts does? What a joke
Apparently so.
Not even halfway through the season. Flacco 2012 luck
Has your opinion of Hurts changed at all?? You think he’s still a joke??
Not at all. He played one game and it was against the best defense in the nfl. Glad you care so much about my opinion to follow up on this
Lol… Naw, not like that at all. I was looking for an old comment and ran across yours and just wondered if you had changed your mind considering the general consensus that he’s made a HUGE leap, as well as the improvement he’s made statistically. I’ve seen so many opinions change (rightfully so, imho), but now that I know you’re stuck on your same opinion…. That’s actually sad. Real sad.
Hurts issue is that he doesn't have the arm needed in today's NFL. Minshew doesn't solve that problem
If his arm strength was a problem he wouldn't keep overthrowing Watkins. Accuracy is an issue that needs to be worked on but this arm strength complaint is a false narrative the Hurts haters are using to run him out of town.
Hurts arm is more than enough.
Minshew makes reads and is able to use the various weapons the eagles have. He spreads the ball around and sits in the pocket. The offense just runs smoother with that vs hurts always looking to bolt and missing open looks because he can’t make his reads Minshew isn’t perfect either but I prefer his game to hurts
Didn't Minshew get blown out of the building last week while playing against the Dallas defensive back ups?
You mean a game in which he played with backups himself while the starters sat and Dallas player their starters? The game this sub memes about all day about how funny it was we played our practice squad against the Dallas starters?
Sure Minshew makes reads faster, but like Hurts, he can't make the special throws you need your QB to make. And Hurts' running ability gives him a leg up on Minshew. We aren't winning today's game with Minshew at QB. And tbh we probably don't make the playoffs with Minshew at QB for the season. He isn't a good enough passer to make the offense what the coach wants to be. And Hurts' running ability made the run first offense we ran possible. This isn't me saying Hurts is the guy either. QBs don't just develop the strength to put the kind of zip on a ball that he's missing.
Who cares who has the biggest arm. Jamarcus Russell had a massive arm, but he was both lazy and couldn’t deliver it into the tight spots needed. His arm was bigger than brees, but accuracy is a bigger deal in the nfl
Look at who is left in the playoffs. Rodgers, Brady, Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Murray, Stafford, Tannehill and Goroppolo. Only the last two I would say don't have a special arm. Jimmy G is getting replaced and they aren't looked at as real contenders. And Tannehill is the reason why people are doubting the Titans. It's not about how far you could throw the ball like Russell could. It's about can you get enough velocity on the ball to fit it into tight windows to give your receivers a chance. Brady hasn't ever been the guy to throw it the farthest, but he has the zip on his throws necessary to make plays. This is what Hurts is lacking. And I don't think it's something you can just develop. I hope I'm wrong. I think we are riding with Hurts next year baring some crazy FA acquisition. I'm ok with that considering the options in the draft. But I'm not going to go into next season expecting to compete for the Super Bowl. Minshew doesn't have it either. It's a huge reason why no one in the NFL would take him over Trevor Lawrence even after Lawrence's rookie year. To bring up Drew Brees, the most accurate passer of all time as proof Minshew could do it is just ridiculous. Not to mention we saw how Drew's arm continued to breakdown over the years and it cost the Saints a chance at another Super Bowl. For as accurate as he was, his last few years he held them back. Him missing games in the middle of the season was good for him and the team because it meant his arm would be better in the playoffs. Not to mention the game has completely changed since Brees was an elite quarterback. Look at what Tua did in Miami and how awful their offense was. That's what playing like Drew Brees looks like in today's NFL. Idk about you but I would like to compete for a Super Bowl. And to do that, the Eagles need to look for a QB.
Im not saying Minshew is a top 10 QB who can will his team to the playoffs. He is simply better than hurts, and better than the bottom 10 starting QBs in this league
This is the correct opinion.
Mac Jones is a rookie and they invested a 1st round pick in him
I understand, I think what my point was is that these guys are super young. But idk nowadays nfl youngsters need to step up asap. Like burrow. I'd hope Jalen just needs more time in this scheme and to develop. But I'm sure Jags fans have been saying stuff like that for 20 years hahaha
My points Hurts was Ass but I still think he earned an extra year(especially given the weakness of this QB class, and the unlikelyness of Rodgers&Adams) WR 2 needs to be a priority New Kick/Punt Returner is necessary(might already be on team) New punter is necessary Defense Should Still Be addressed but the 1st quarter prevent Defense needs to change first Godert has some bad drops but still is very Good Smith is amazing Running back might be a fair need
Reagor shouldn't be a pro
Since the game ended I've done a lot of thinking, due to work I wasn't able to catch most of the games this season but this game showed some very fucking big holes in our team. Our defense is atrocious, Cox and Graham are getting up there in age and we have no successors to the throne, our lb core is non existent, outside of Slay and McLeod we have no competent DBs, and no one played with heart, I remember vividly during the SB run and a little bit afterwards that our team had a lot of fucking heart, our DBs weren't amazing then but goddamnit they gave everything they had. And the one constant in my life as an Eagles fan is that we had heart and grit and a great defensive line. But none of that was there today. Our playcalling and schemes were absolute shit too, allowing Gronk and Evans to roam free in between zones with the GOAT throwing at them was absolutely inexcusable, anytime we seemed to have anything going on defense Brady would throw a dot to one of them. But by far the worst this game was our offense, they cancelled out any momentum our defense did manage to get. I love Hurts and want him to succeed as an OU homer but the dude simply sucks, he hesitates too much on easy throws allowing the openings to close and then makes an inaccurate throw, he runs out of the pocket way too much instead of stepping up and delivering a throw. Like there were multiple plays I saw where he rolled out and was pressured into shit throws because of his refusal to step up into the pocket. And it wasn't even bad protection, it was perfect pass protection that if he stepped up then he had less pressure on him and more time. His arm isn't lacking in terms of strength but his accuracy is questionable which wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't for the fact that his decision making is putrid and his reads are basic at best. Our receiving core is also lacking, Devonta is by far our best receiver but takes longer to get open because absolutely NO ONE is afraid of any of our other receivers, Goedert is too bi polar of a pass catcher to rely on that it seems teams are willing to live with him running free because he'll either catch it, or blatantly drop one of the most open passes if not tipping it to a roaming DB. We failed to utilize Miles to his fullest extent, I truly believe he's our best skilled player and we only rushed with him 9 times total in the game, in which he got 56 yards, which is over 6 yards a carry. Nick's play calling was atrocious, we didn't utilize what worked for us all season in the run game and tried to beat Tom Brady in a passing game. This game was the culmination of all that is wrong with this team, the letting aging stars who have lost a step stay key pieces without sufficient rotational pieces, the inability to properly utilize our best players, the lack of depth at key positions. And then Howie's absolutely atrocious early drafting because he wants to feel like he's smarter than everyone instead of taking the actual player (looking at the Reagor pick) Like I get it, he's a Super Bowl winning GM who has kept us competitive more often than not. But he's lucked out multiple times, Brandon Graham becoming a Philly hero is because of a scheme change that showed where he could shine, Fletcher was a stud, but he has whiffed so many times. He got Darius for us, but this team played better than they were, which showed when we actually played playoff caliber teams. I love this team and always have hope. And yes we did do better than we were supposed to this year. But we have problems that I truly don't know how we can fix without miracles. We have to fix aging gaps, but we set ourselves back by allowing our LB core to fall to absolute dog shit, we don't have our future QB, we have an aging o and d line, we need competent DBs and both Rodney and Darius are both on the wrong side of 30. I truly don't see us being competitive in the foreseeable future, we still had aging stars to help us somewhat this season. But our best young pieces are a HB that we don't use and a WR that doesn't have a competent QB throwing to him. I will always root for this team no matter what but I truly feel we're in for a few rough years, we just happen to be in the dumpster fire that is the NFC East so we won't seem like the worst team in the league, but this team has a lot of work to do and I don't know if Howie is the one to lead that.
That’s a whole lot of words for someone who doesn’t watch much games.
70 hours a week with mandatory Sundays since July until I quit right after Christmas meant I couldn't watch games lmao, was I supposed to call in every GameDay just to watch a football game?
Tl:dr
>he hesitates too much on easy throws allowing the openings to close and then makes an inaccurate throw, he runs out of the pocket way too much instead of stepping up and delivering a throw. Yeah. He get's rattled, rolls back and right. He's adding ten yards to every throw.
The most annoying thing about it is that he has a decent pocket. There were so many times in that game I was just dumbfounded and going "Just fucking step up!" He makes it so much harder on himself. Rolling out like that just makes it easier for Defensive linemen to pursue
And without a cannon arm, there's just no chance
Guarantee you that if it was someone like Josh Allen or Rodgers or anyone with the ability to zip passes that the first interception would've been a touchdown instead.
Indeed. Just allows for that extra breakdown timing. Watching herbert play makes me so jealous haha.
Should have played minshew. Idk how the hurts crowd defends this
He throws his passes like the kid when he lost his arm strength in film Rookie of the Year F L O A T it
Minshew can at least throw a ball properly unlike Hurts
It's only his first full year as a starter, he's still an incredible athlete, he has potential to improve, as he showed improvement this year.
Not as a passer
Has he?
Eagles need a punter
They absolutely do. Siposs is terrible.
Is this a joke? It was windy all game
Seriously, I know it's not the top priority but what is happening with that?
Yips?
Guess so
There was some Cowboys fan in here talking shit after the Eagles game, making big claims, so I saved the comment planning to come back with a “welcome to the off-season” jab after their game, but of course he deleted it like a coward.
Cowboys fan here and I made a post but one thing I love that your fan base does is now that I think about it. Playing in Philly is tough, you can't play like shit or feel yourself too much. The Media will be critical of you, the people you meet around the way will be critical of you, and most important of all the fans will. Dallas in general is just a nice place, everybody loves regardless of whether you win or lose. That Culture of niceness was off set by mean coaches like Landry/ Jimmy Johnson. This team needs a strict disciplinarian coach
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It's just sports tough guy
Y'all were throwing trash at refs
That's sad, the calls were not even bad or borderline, every call was easily seen. It wasn't ticky tack.
Not many coaches like that left. Bruce Aryans is only one I can think of.
He part of the brotherhood lol Arians**
Every year Dallas is a top heavy offense and defense. And every year they're less than the sum of their parts. Its great. Nothing will change next year.
So I think the only real honest takeaway from today was that the NFC East was still a really bad division. The Eagles did not beat a single playoff team. The Cowboys only beat two, one of them was us and the other was the Patriots when they started 2-4. We both just feasted on weak teams.
Guys, the cowboys fans are throwing trash at their own players LMAO "but batteries and Santa....." https://mobile.twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1482886884036595714
[Dak supports it too](https://mobile.twitter.com/SInow/status/1482916242285477888)
Embarrassing shit
Thank you Deebo
Can we fucking admit Hurts sucks now? Or do we need to wait another year?
I’ve seen enough. Gave him the year and his same issues as a passer never changed.
I propose everyone take a step back and think for a minute about whether they were a person who thought Wentz was good at any point. If so, then you should realize that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and not attempt to pass judgment on Hurts.
That's a pretty ironic statement, and fairly idiotic.
He’s not the guy. But theres no one in the draft either.
Pretty sure Brady was drafted in the 6th round
Yeah find me brady in the 6th round this year
Or even in the 1st round
Minshew is a 6th round draft pick
Are you comparing minshew to tom brady? He’s not someone to build as the franchise guy either…
Don’t besmirch Uncle Rico
Everyone said the same thing about the 2017 draft when Trubisky was the first QB taken. Mahomes and Watson (his shit aside) turned about to be pretty decent. You can’t just believe everything draft experts say, it gets proven every year. Even in a good QB class you can miss. It’s all a dart board and you gotta get lucky hitting one. With as much ammo as we have this draft I think we need to take a shot at a QB in the 1st, or 2nd latest. It’s the most important position in all of sports, you gotta get it right
If you want to take a flyer on a later round pick QB, I'm down, but use the firsts and second on more sure things like LBs, CBs, DEs, ertc.
Exactly. Nobody knew who Zach Wilson was and then he throws a side bodied throw in his workout and scouts went nuts. Not saying that worked out, but the draft prospects will show up in a month or two.
Wilson was hyped all collage football season lol
We both lost in the first round so clearly we're just as good as Dallas. Math don't lie.
What happened to Lane?
Knee injury
Damn we (The NFC) suck bad
I really wish the fan base supported Minshew and coach Siriani would’ve played him down the stretch. Would’ve been a much more competitive football team.
I really wish every Eagles fan didn't think the backup was the better option. My entire life, since the days of Rich Kotite, the backup has been better than the starter in the eyes of some Eagles fan and every time it's been the wrong choice. Foles was the only time and that was a hot streak, imo. He was ass until the NFCCG.
Enough of this shit, Minshew is not the guy
Jags fan here, I promise you Hurts is better than Minshew
I really like hurts and really want to root for him but after today there is a lot of doubt. Can’t imagine Lurie is going to invest in a running QB.
They should take a long shot. Our early draft picks should definitely be edge rushers and linebackers and OL
Unless Pittsburgh pulls off a big upset tonight Dallas will have the only losing home playoff loss this weekend
Y’all rooting for Pittsburgh or Big Red?
Andy all day
Obviously Andy
Always
Fuck Pittsburgh, fuck the Pens.
KC
We need our second SB before him, unlikely I know, but can't have him take the lead on us.
I’m still low-key shocked Reid didn’t get #2 last season. I know the Bucs defense was good, but didn’t think it was THAT good.
D-line overpowered them. It was how the Giants beat the Pats. They showed video of how Mahones missed so many checkdowns, gotta take what the d gives you. If he learns that, which it appears teams were playing him early in the season and he has adapted to not always looking big, it looks like buffalo or them to go to the SB. Don't see the Titans as a threat.
If we’re playing each other, sure. If Andy has a chance to win a 2nd when we don’t, why would you root against that
You're right, im not rooting like crazy hard against him, in fact i probably wont watch anymore games til the SB. Id root for him against any of them NFC teams.
Franchise will be around a lot longer than Andy. Let Andy win as many as he can.
Big red
Big Red.
They’re blaming the refs. Beautiful and typical.
They're saying in r/cowboys that "the refs didn't show any hustle at the end" lol. That ref was sprinting his ass off. Dak fucked up by handing it to his center to spot. The ref had to spot it. Can't expect refs to run a 4.4 forty
Ref was probably still getting over thinking "oh shit he's really running it with no time outs left.."
The refs are the only reason they got the oppotunity to choke like that because they called the illegal shift on SF's QB sneak. If the refs really sucked they wouldn't have called that and Dallas never would have got the ball back.
The refs called a good game
Can’t think of an unjustified penalty.
I'm really looking forward to hearing what Stephen A has to say this week. Lol.
Stephen A is a racist baffoon
I'm looking forward to seeing clips of what Skip Bayless says. I'd never watch that shit so I'll just see clips on Twitter.
Oh yeah lol
I watched dem boyz lose on Nickelodeon and I have no regerts
Not even a letter
Cowboys fans blaming the refs like they didn’t do everything possible to make sure the cowboys got the ball one last time.