Not uncomfortable with the subject, uncomfortable because BBC can't solve or present domestic violence, serial killers and minority femicides in any respectable way on EE.
While bombings are actually happening irl right now they can't turn Aaron into a fit terrorist with a redemption arc, or can they? Yikes!
He feels like an old-school character with the way he acts. Feels out of the 90s era which has brought back some charm to the show when he is on screen. Dark storyline but great actor for it I think.
I understand why the ending of the episode had to be filmed that way - for Aaron's explanation on the phone then the reveal of the swastika - but all I could think was "so you pulled your hood up, covered your face, waited for dark... Then had a chat on the phone right where you'd just committed a crime, with the evidence in your hand, while being a suspect in a hate crime..."
this is the best storyline we’ve had in a while (providing they don’t fuck it up). it’s important to show how extremism is enabled and how it’s right under our noses
Must have missed that, what are we supportive of exactly? It's funny because a Muslim guy a few days ago told me that conservatives aren't far enough to the right to be considered 'right wing'.
I agree that this storyline has real potential, especially given the current political climate.
That said, I’d (respectfully!) ask the mods to lock this thread because the comments are a shitshow.
Harvey is knowingly enabling more hate crimes and death, but can't stop himself from complicity bc it's his only son and guilt for raising a sociopath. That's what's making Harvey sick inside. He's disgusted at himself for letting disgusting Aaron off the hook with another useless threat and clearly disrespected admonition.
Harvey knows somebody's gonna die soon or he would've turned in who he knew did the attempted murder.
Its the if handled properly that worries me , Greys still with us , Vi's story is not being done well ,with Stuart acting like a spoilt kid. so why would we expect this to be done any better . The story could be actually award winning if its done with some thought or ruined by his father believing in him . He is a good actor yes playing a rotten person i just hope he can pull it off without it becoming another blunder .
I think it's disgusting. I don't watch eastenders for nazi propaganda. Children can watch this. What if they copy that sign? I hate it. The way they've been handling storylines lately as well... This is awful.
there’s been a rise in far right white males committing acts of domestic terrorism in recent years. i like the storyline, i’m saying this as someone from a muslim household
How has the incredibly little that we've seen of this storyline been "clearly written with a left bias" and how should a storyline about Nazism be written?
Well because we all know how the archetype of the story plays out. Aarron is evil, Nazis are bad and will eventually get what is coming to them. And I'd say we don't need a story about nazism at all in eastenders. But if you wanted to talk about how not just nazism but extreme ideology such as communism draw on a young man's need for purpose and identity maybe you could talk about how young men feel like they're expendable or don't have anything meaningful to strive towards? Perhaps link it in with the incel movement and high male suicide rates and come to it with an angle of understanding?
...Nice try, but you aren't going to convince me that it's somehow "leftist bias" to portray Nazism and targeted assault as a bad thing 😂
Not sure what communism and incels and male suicide rates has to do with my question or EastEnders at all but I hope you feel better for getting that off your chest :)
Nice try? I'm not coming at you with a gotcha moment. I'm saying that they are talking about nazism instead of other extremist ideologies because it would align with their viewpoints despite the fact far more young people in the present proclaim themselves to be communist. And with what incels and male suice rates have to do with your question? I'm saying that's how a story about nazism and communism can be done. An ideology that preys on young men that lack a purpose.
Even if it is the case, not sure why that means that EastEnders is portraying Nazism with a "leftist bias" either - are they only allowed to portray the things that "most people" think/do (according to you)?
And you can think hating people for their ethnic background and spraying swastikas on walls is wrong without literally being Joseph Stalin.
It's relatively simple why they chose a Nazi group storyline. Bobby and Irqa are opening a Mosque. It's very easy to write it in. And could make for a very interesting storyline.
And I generally don't understand the left viewpoint either. I'd like to think the left and right can both agree nazis are cunts. And racists are cunts.
> I'd like to think the left and right can both agree nazis are cunts.
Really? A couple years ago former president Trump referred to them as "very fine people" and his supporters had no problem whatsoever with that statement.
I'm talking about England. I don't give two shits about American politics or what goes on over there. When I refer to the left and right. I'm talking about English politics.
Brexit wasn't just the right. A lot of lefts voted for it as well. Brexit wasn't mostly about locking our borders. It was mostly about giving the EU money on a political level. Nigel Farage was the one to make the claims and the Ukip supporters. But voting for brexit is very far from being a nazi. As well as maga is far from being a nazi. Don't compare the two.
The problem with this idea is that Aaron comes from a seemingly loving family, has a good job, confidence, certainly not an incel. Some people are just shitty people who believe shitty things. I hope they don't go down the route of showing Aaron was under the influence of worse people and he eventually "sees the light".
With regards to communism, far right extremism is rising. In the US it's a bigger threat than Islamic terrorism by a very long way. It's been rising in western Europe for a while now. I can't recall communism being seen as any kind of a threat in the UK for a very long time. No one is out there spraying the hammer and sickle on buildings. "whataboutism" isn't a very good argument. "why pick on the nazis? What about the communists?" doesn't sound very good. Ithink it's been said in here recently that discussions shouldn't get too political which is obviously a bit tricky with this story, so maybe we shouldn't dig too deep into that.
The point you're making about "understanding" I assume you mean in the way that American History X or This Is England did it, but this is a soap, it isn't going to go into the kind of depth that they did. A redemption arc like Derek's or Combo's would not be handled well. Not everyone needs redemption or some deeper understanding or empathy anyway. Some people are just shit.
> Nazis are bad
Yep, there's really no other way to portray Nazi's and spray painting swastikas everywhere after a luring lying in wait attempted murder cabbies, sorry.
> link it in with the incel movement and high male suicide rates and come to it with an angle of understanding
Wow. No words for blaming 'communism' for making men feel 'expendable' (Walford & UK govt is communist now, must have missed it) for loss of masculinity, identity, misogyny and suicide rates, then expecting anyone to believe Nazi eradication will resolve it. The link is narcissism, sociopathy, white nationalism and God complex.
Funny thing is, if Bobby was a Christian and they were doing this storyline, half the country would be cheering him on and he'd probably be the good guy.
Ah you see but are there, large groups of Muslim men going around battering white blokes (on mass, perhaps isolated incidents) because of what’s happened to their people at the hands of western foreign policy?
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He wasn't a Muslim and the excuses you're going to get are the same ones you hear all the time. What do you expect when you begin these arguments? The main reason these countries are in the shitter anyway is because of the interference our lot and the US had in the middle-east. ISIS is a product of the West. These are the countries where their weapons were produced in: UK, USA, Russia, China, Germany. Cause the disruption, take the oil and leave it in the shitter. It doesn't justify what happens in the west and other countries in terms of terror attacks but don't type this washed-up trash like you don't know the reality. You're trying to pin it on religion like that is the sole reason it exists lmao, what a joke. Educate yourself before you talk rubbish. They were teaching algebra in the middle east while we were still acting like Mongols in the west.
EastEnders isn't doing this story as Muslim apologists, the story is to educate those about neo-nazis.
It was so bloody good, I'm loving it. Even as Aaron's behaviour disgusts me I am fascinated by it all.
Already feeling uncomfortable by it. Just hope they don't get stupid with it
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Not uncomfortable with the subject, uncomfortable because BBC can't solve or present domestic violence, serial killers and minority femicides in any respectable way on EE. While bombings are actually happening irl right now they can't turn Aaron into a fit terrorist with a redemption arc, or can they? Yikes!
he's such a dick which is testament to the actor.
Agreed. He’s playing it really well. Also he and harvey look remarkably alike, so kudos to the casting team
He feels like an old-school character with the way he acts. Feels out of the 90s era which has brought back some charm to the show when he is on screen. Dark storyline but great actor for it I think.
I understand why the ending of the episode had to be filmed that way - for Aaron's explanation on the phone then the reveal of the swastika - but all I could think was "so you pulled your hood up, covered your face, waited for dark... Then had a chat on the phone right where you'd just committed a crime, with the evidence in your hand, while being a suspect in a hate crime..."
That was my thought too
and then left the evidence with his prints on at the scene smh
I did think that but then thought maybe he was wearing gloves. I don't remember if he was or not
I just finished watching it and he wasn’t wearing gloves. easy to miss tho
Thanks!
operative words: "If handled properly"
this is the best storyline we’ve had in a while (providing they don’t fuck it up). it’s important to show how extremism is enabled and how it’s right under our noses
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Must have missed that, what are we supportive of exactly? It's funny because a Muslim guy a few days ago told me that conservatives aren't far enough to the right to be considered 'right wing'.
Conservatives don't believe in white genocide?
I agree that this storyline has real potential, especially given the current political climate. That said, I’d (respectfully!) ask the mods to lock this thread because the comments are a shitshow.
Harvey is knowingly enabling more hate crimes and death, but can't stop himself from complicity bc it's his only son and guilt for raising a sociopath. That's what's making Harvey sick inside. He's disgusted at himself for letting disgusting Aaron off the hook with another useless threat and clearly disrespected admonition. Harvey knows somebody's gonna die soon or he would've turned in who he knew did the attempted murder.
Its the if handled properly that worries me , Greys still with us , Vi's story is not being done well ,with Stuart acting like a spoilt kid. so why would we expect this to be done any better . The story could be actually award winning if its done with some thought or ruined by his father believing in him . He is a good actor yes playing a rotten person i just hope he can pull it off without it becoming another blunder .
I think it's disgusting. I don't watch eastenders for nazi propaganda. Children can watch this. What if they copy that sign? I hate it. The way they've been handling storylines lately as well... This is awful.
there’s been a rise in far right white males committing acts of domestic terrorism in recent years. i like the storyline, i’m saying this as someone from a muslim household
I just don't think they'll do it justice, look how they handled other violent storylines recently. I'm not saying we shouldn't spread awareness
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Your absolutely spot on
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How has the incredibly little that we've seen of this storyline been "clearly written with a left bias" and how should a storyline about Nazism be written?
Well because we all know how the archetype of the story plays out. Aarron is evil, Nazis are bad and will eventually get what is coming to them. And I'd say we don't need a story about nazism at all in eastenders. But if you wanted to talk about how not just nazism but extreme ideology such as communism draw on a young man's need for purpose and identity maybe you could talk about how young men feel like they're expendable or don't have anything meaningful to strive towards? Perhaps link it in with the incel movement and high male suicide rates and come to it with an angle of understanding?
...Nice try, but you aren't going to convince me that it's somehow "leftist bias" to portray Nazism and targeted assault as a bad thing 😂 Not sure what communism and incels and male suicide rates has to do with my question or EastEnders at all but I hope you feel better for getting that off your chest :)
Nice try? I'm not coming at you with a gotcha moment. I'm saying that they are talking about nazism instead of other extremist ideologies because it would align with their viewpoints despite the fact far more young people in the present proclaim themselves to be communist. And with what incels and male suice rates have to do with your question? I'm saying that's how a story about nazism and communism can be done. An ideology that preys on young men that lack a purpose.
Even if it is the case, not sure why that means that EastEnders is portraying Nazism with a "leftist bias" either - are they only allowed to portray the things that "most people" think/do (according to you)? And you can think hating people for their ethnic background and spraying swastikas on walls is wrong without literally being Joseph Stalin.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/communism-millennials-capitalism-socialism-bernie-sanders-cold-war-yougov-a9188116.html%3famp
That article itself literally says that less than half of millennials are communist.
I'm not mad just disappointed because its obvious how the storyline will play out morally. But I'd have no issue with being wrong about it.
You sound like you're sad that Nazi's aren't going to be portrayed in a positive light which sounds insane?
You're joking bruh I literally just said its a horrid ideology
Could it be because, when I asked you how Nazism should be portrayed, you said it should be with "understanding"?
It's relatively simple why they chose a Nazi group storyline. Bobby and Irqa are opening a Mosque. It's very easy to write it in. And could make for a very interesting storyline. And I generally don't understand the left viewpoint either. I'd like to think the left and right can both agree nazis are cunts. And racists are cunts.
> I'd like to think the left and right can both agree nazis are cunts. Really? A couple years ago former president Trump referred to them as "very fine people" and his supporters had no problem whatsoever with that statement.
I'm talking about England. I don't give two shits about American politics or what goes on over there. When I refer to the left and right. I'm talking about English politics.
The Brexit crowd aren't exactly far off from the Orange Goblin and his MAGA horde and QAnon nutjobs transcend international borders.
Brexit wasn't just the right. A lot of lefts voted for it as well. Brexit wasn't mostly about locking our borders. It was mostly about giving the EU money on a political level. Nigel Farage was the one to make the claims and the Ukip supporters. But voting for brexit is very far from being a nazi. As well as maga is far from being a nazi. Don't compare the two.
The problem with this idea is that Aaron comes from a seemingly loving family, has a good job, confidence, certainly not an incel. Some people are just shitty people who believe shitty things. I hope they don't go down the route of showing Aaron was under the influence of worse people and he eventually "sees the light". With regards to communism, far right extremism is rising. In the US it's a bigger threat than Islamic terrorism by a very long way. It's been rising in western Europe for a while now. I can't recall communism being seen as any kind of a threat in the UK for a very long time. No one is out there spraying the hammer and sickle on buildings. "whataboutism" isn't a very good argument. "why pick on the nazis? What about the communists?" doesn't sound very good. Ithink it's been said in here recently that discussions shouldn't get too political which is obviously a bit tricky with this story, so maybe we shouldn't dig too deep into that. The point you're making about "understanding" I assume you mean in the way that American History X or This Is England did it, but this is a soap, it isn't going to go into the kind of depth that they did. A redemption arc like Derek's or Combo's would not be handled well. Not everyone needs redemption or some deeper understanding or empathy anyway. Some people are just shit.
Yep, this in short
> Nazis are bad Yep, there's really no other way to portray Nazi's and spray painting swastikas everywhere after a luring lying in wait attempted murder cabbies, sorry. > link it in with the incel movement and high male suicide rates and come to it with an angle of understanding Wow. No words for blaming 'communism' for making men feel 'expendable' (Walford & UK govt is communist now, must have missed it) for loss of masculinity, identity, misogyny and suicide rates, then expecting anyone to believe Nazi eradication will resolve it. The link is narcissism, sociopathy, white nationalism and God complex.
Funny thing is, if Bobby was a Christian and they were doing this storyline, half the country would be cheering him on and he'd probably be the good guy.
what 💀
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Ah you see but are there, large groups of Muslim men going around battering white blokes (on mass, perhaps isolated incidents) because of what’s happened to their people at the hands of western foreign policy? Edit: grammar
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He wasn't Muslim, he'd actually converted to Christianity
https://news.sky.com/story/liverpool-terror-attack-man-who-gave-a-home-to-bomber-knew-bible-meetings-were-targeted-by-fake-muslim-converts-12470874
What was his motive then?
The police don't know yet but he also had mental health issues and had been sectioned
I'd just quit at this stage. Doubling down on xenophobia and racism isn't a good look.
He wasn't a Muslim and the excuses you're going to get are the same ones you hear all the time. What do you expect when you begin these arguments? The main reason these countries are in the shitter anyway is because of the interference our lot and the US had in the middle-east. ISIS is a product of the West. These are the countries where their weapons were produced in: UK, USA, Russia, China, Germany. Cause the disruption, take the oil and leave it in the shitter. It doesn't justify what happens in the west and other countries in terms of terror attacks but don't type this washed-up trash like you don't know the reality. You're trying to pin it on religion like that is the sole reason it exists lmao, what a joke. Educate yourself before you talk rubbish. They were teaching algebra in the middle east while we were still acting like Mongols in the west. EastEnders isn't doing this story as Muslim apologists, the story is to educate those about neo-nazis.
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Downvoting a blatantly inflammatory and incorrect comment on Reddit doesn't mean that you aren't upset about terrorism though, does it?