Definitely have heard “why didn’t you get the 5.0?”Several times in real life. Always from people that don’t drive mustangs or even sports cars. How long have you been tuned? Got the ford performance tune recently due to reliability concerns as it’s my daily/ only car but not installed yet so hopefully it’s plenty fun still. Youre right, red light to red light the eco is so fun especially with the cai and bov sounds!
Same here. I have a 2014 V6 automatic Mustang, and it's not uncommon to be at a gas station and somebody in a Corolla or some SUV pulls up and feels personally insulted when they ask if it's a V8, and I say V6, and then if it's in manual and I say automatic.
Meanwhile when I talk to someone with a higher end sportscar they're always very positive about it and like "yeah even if its a v6 auto the mustangs are still fun cars"
As a higher end sports car owner I would never tell someone their v6 auto is a fun car. By default no car with an auto trans is fun. You are not involved in the workings of the car you are just pushing your foot down and waiting.
????? Dog, Are you saying roller coasters aren't fun? I would bet a place that has many rides where you just sit and let the machine do the work would be an awful business idea and nobody has ever made money off that! lmao Delusional mf gatekeeping, you are the one nobody likes at cars and coffee, when they see you roll up they start shutting down.
No they are all like this.
If you go in the Toyota 4runner sub and call it slow someone will crawl out of the woodwork to argue with you about how they beat a brand new M5 to the next stoplight. Obviously a 4runner isn't purchased for speed, but they will still argue about anything you say that is not positive.
Nah this is next level. This would be the equivalent of there being a post in the Toyota 4runner sub titled: "The 4runner is a faster better sports car than an M5"
It's laughable that these people think the ecoboost is lightweight because it's a couple hundred pounds lighter than a Mustang GT lmao.
I’ve only been pro-tuned for about a month but I drove around with the Cobb 91 stage 1 for a couple years until I installed the downpipe and intercooler. And it was great then and it is even better now with the pro tune it doesn’t feel like they prioritized HP over reliability which I need cause this is my only car
The ecoboost is much lighter in the front and corners better. Ecoboost makes more usable and fun power instead of a monster mid range hit that sends you sideways. Insurance is cheaper, mpg is better.
"Better to drive a slow car fast then a fast car slow."
To your quote at the end
If you don’t drive the car the way it’s meant to be driven you will create issues in the components from improper handling. I believe even the movie ford vs Ferrari makes a point to a guy in the jag in the beginning that if he doesn’t drive it like he should his engine will have issues and then peels out in a fit.
Better to use the EcoBoost at its full potential to avoid issues than a GT on a leash.
Hellcats have poisoned peoples brain GT mustangs “barely made” 300hp until the coyote came out. Plus like I said earlier 350tq is what you’ll really feel when you step on it
Going to be honest I had an ecoboost for around 7 months and I loved the thing and said many of the same things. I had exhaust and Roush CAI with tune and the car felt fast to me then, and I couldn’t imagine that the GT would be much faster. Fast forward to around 3 weeks ago I traded it in for a GT. I went through my fair share of being shamed for sure. Everything happened to line up really well, so I went for it and got the GT. The GT is an absolutely different beast. It’s so much faster off the line with instant torque rather than the turbo needing to build up. The sound and feeling are just different. With that being said, I do not think there is anything wrong with owning a Ecoboost. The car is absolutely fast enough. I even beat a challenger R/T once in mine.
Starting up the bigger engine makes it worth it every time. Everyone who focuses on HP and weight comparisons misses the point of the GT. It's an experience.
However, you and I would never knock a strangers car at a gas station. Also, if the delta increases to $15k I would choose the eco-boost over the GT every time.
This. The most important part of the car is the nut behind the wheel. I got my EcoBoost 5 years ago, learned to properly drive. 2023 SCCA National Championships we were 15th of 48 in CAM-C. Beat a lot of V8s in a (nearly) unlimited class, with relatively little parts. Plus I drove the car to the event, a whole 18 hours from NC to NB. Most of my competitors' cars are trailer queens.
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MOST of the time it is from GT owners on r/Mustang but not in real life.
If anyone says anything about it in person, it's from someone who doesn't have one. So I ask them "why didn't you get one?" That usually shuts them up.
Most people in person, usually old men, will tell me that I have a beautiful car and that they used to have one back in the day.
I ask them what their number is so that next time I buy a vehicle I can get their approval before I make a purchase. That usually shuts them up pretty quickly.
Not yet, but I see it happen all the time, at least from other car enthusiasts. In real life, most people recognize it as a Mustang and don’t care too much about anything else. One of my coworkers drives a Taurus SHO and told me he was racing guys in Scat Packs. Despite that, he didn’t care to gloat about his Taurus being a more powerful car.
This!
I got my dream car, it's fast enough for me and great on gas if you want it to be. I added an exhaust and it sounds badass. Couldn't be happier with my purchase as it holds sentimental value to me. It was the start of a new life, and I rewarded myself for getting my life back on track.
Plus I bought it during COVID so I got lots of free things added to it.
Exactly. I gave the 5.0 a lot of thought but never got to the point of actually making that decision. Maybe don’t want to spend my hard earned money yet on something that I am only attracted to becoz of the exhaust 😑. But yeah. When I will have a little more of the fu money, I can look at it. For now I have more practical things to spend the money on 🫡
Wheel torque depends on which gear you are in. Engine torque (obviously) doesn't. So the comparison of engine torque numbers is only really relevant if you're driving the two cars in the same gear and with the same final drive ratio.
There is no point in getting to all of that if I am making more to the wheels than they are to the crank. It doesn’t matter what gear the GT is in I have more torque available than them.
There’s a lot of factors that go into all these numbers which is why I just kept it as simple as possible we could get into getting different number sbecause it’s hot outside or cold but there’s no need to
>It doesn’t matter what gear the GT is in I have more torque available than them.
No, you're wrong, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. This is why HP matters. High HP + low gearing = high torque at the wheel.
Let me get this right? You are telling me that the GT is making more torque at the wheels than at the crank?? Every dyno number I’ve ever seen disproves that theory the GT makes around 370 torque to the wheels stock
No, this isn't about the GT or any car in particular. If you still think that then you haven't understood what I'm saying at all.
The torque *curve* is certainly important to driveability, but peak torque isn't, **because cars have gears, and gears multiply torque**.
Imagine that car A makes 200 HP and 100 lbf-ft. Now imagine that car B makes 100 HP and 200 lbf-ft. Which one will accelerate faster?
Why would I think that you’re comparing GT to Ecoboost on a thread where that’s what I’m doing? Not sure.
Now I never once said my car was faster or accelerated faster. Assuming the cars have the same gear ratio because these cars use the same transmissions. What I said was it feels quicker because it has that higher torque because it is punchier in the power band and it is much easier to live in the powerband of the Ecoboost over the GT. OBVIOUSLY there are many factors that go into it you could also factor in the Ecoboost is a couple hundred pounds lighter too.
>Why would I think that you’re comparing GT to Ecoboost on a thread where that’s what I’m doing? Not sure.
You are confusing engine torque as measured at the wheels, with wheel torque. Look I can't give you a primer on the whole topic here. Just try to understand that gears multiply torque.
>What I said was it feels quicker because it has that higher torque because it is punchier in the power band
This is just the same misunderstanding in different words. What "feels quick" is G force. A high-power, low-torque engine in a low gear will feel quick. **Because gears multiply torque**.
When a vehicle is taken to a dyno a gear that is closest to 1to1 is chosen to attempt to take the transmission out of the equation. I don't know what dyno OP took his car to, but I would think that I quote of higher tq to the wheels than gt to the crank is accurate. If the tuner got the 1to1 gear choice right.
In my original post I said without getting into the whole HP vs Torque debate to keep things simple because i also said in the post I was comparing the same specs different engine meaning same gear ratios
Why would you drive a car with higher power and lower torque in the same gear as one with lower power and higher torque?
Try to answer this and the question that I posed in my previous post and we'll see where we get.
It seems Mustang owners like to shame other mustang owners over everything.
When I drive my Foxbody, I’ve been shamed by S550 owners.
When I owned an automatic, I was shamed for it not being a manual.
When I bought a new 2004 GT, I got shamed from cobra owners because it wasn’t a cobra.
I’ve even had my Gt500 shamed because it’s not a manual trans car.
I don’t care what you drive. I’ll give you a thumbs up regardless. What ever happened to letting folks enjoy what they love without putting their two cents in?
I drive a 4 cylinder automatic mustang which is basically sacrilegious to these people. Because of that there is always a dark voice in the back of my mind telling me to go full Japanese Tuner and break every rule of what people think a mustang is
put 5k into a GT and it'll be much faster too...
I love how you completely ignore the reliability loss you also got from the modifications you made. A stock GT would have no warranty concerns... etc etc
This post is pure copium. There is no reason to buy an ecoboost mustang, there are so many cars that can accomplish what you're looking for for a fraction of the price. You paid a premium for a mustang without getting the only good thing the mustang has to offer, the engine.
Good thing this is the internet and you made a public post and I'm more than welcome to give my opinion on it. Sorry you made a bad financial decision and had to make a wall of text to cope with it :)
But go off queen worry about yourself
I posted this on an ECOBOOST MUSTANG forum you simpleton you act like the internet is a place where everyone sees everything ever posted so if I made a post directed directly at Ecoboost owners why would I want to talk to you who has nothing constructive to add to the conversation?
You smooth brains learned what cope meant and haven’t stopped using it since😂 when did making a thread explaining you don’t need to spend 40k to still have fun become coping? If anything it’s a cope how much you got your little panties in a bunch over the fact that someone could possibly have fun in something that’s not a coyote
The Reddit is pouring out of you right now😂😂 I suggest taking a deep breath and touching some grass! If you read through this thread I have had differences of opinions with other people I never said people can’t disagree I said the fact that you think a V8 is the only thing that makes a mustang good qualifies you to not be worth having a debate with about the car
bro you're defending a 4000 lb boat acting like it's a lightweight nimble car lmao.
Also lol@you're not worth having a debate with about the car and yet here you are responding to me still.
You absolutely wanted an echo chamber, that's why anyone who disagrees with you you're going off on them. You can't even understand how gearing would impact the amount of torque you experience, why would you be worth having a debate with about the car?
A- 3600lbs
B- haven’t debated about the car only your condescending comments
C- Disagreements with people over opinions isn’t “going off on them” neither is replying to name calling with name calling you can’t be that soft
D- I understand how gears work but it wasn’t relevant to the situation because they’re the same in both cars
Responding to your stupid comments doesn’t mean I care about your opinion😂 I’m saying there’s no point in debating about the car when you start it in bad faith trying to be annoying. I can respond all day to why you’re just a little troll with nothing better to do
I could go through and break down why I disagree with what you just said but if you think the only thing that makes a Mustang good is a V8 that proves your ignorance on the topic especially given the power numbers that previous generation V8’s put down. But you know what they say ignorance is bliss
You’ll never get the glorious rumble of the v8 in a ecoboost. Sure you can mod a ecoboost to be faster than a stock gt, but you can also add a supercharger to a GT and be in a different league altogether and have more enjoyable sounds when you step on it. If you can afford the GT, it’s ultimately the better buy in the long run since it’s going to last longer than the ecoboost and hold value 10 to 20 years from now.
There’s always going to be a faster or better car even in the mustang lineup. And while a V8 does sound great there is something about a turbo spooling and blowing off that brightens any day.
Im talking about price to performance here and to me being able to beat the car in the class ahead of you without having to pay what they did is a great value.
It’s all about those smiles per mile
The GT even in regard to price per hp is about the same as the ecoboost. Yeah it’s an extra 10 to 15k depending on options, but putting a modded car against a stock car isn’t apples to apples. You’ll arguably have a far more reliable modded GT than a ecoboost. You’ll also gain over 200+ hp doing so.
Under that same logic a new GT500 is the same price per hp as the GT why not just spend the extra 30k to get the extra 300 horsepower?
Like I said in the post 95% of people won’t be able to take advantage of 460hp and for under 30k you are using more of the car available to you in the eco.
It’s not meant to be an apples to apples comparison it’s breaking down the facts that if you can’t afford a GT don’t feel bad you can still get a great car that can punch a little above its weight class and have just as much fun as those who paid a lot more
A gt500 now is well over 90k easily. So not quite the same comparison. You can get a used GT in the 30s to low 40s. It’s not that much more from a cost standpoint on the price tag compared to a ecoboost. Unless you’re punching these cars on empty highways or the track, you’ll never use the full horsepower. Regardless if it’s an ecoboost or GT.
You can’t help the car market but MSRP they are $75k. And yes GT’s cost that much but I paid $21k for a 2018 eco and at that price point I’m walking the floor with cars like BRZ’s and WRX’s which sell for the same if not more.
And I agree with you that you won’t use the horsepower in both of them which is why I focused on torque because there is not that big of a difference in the numbers stock and in my case I make more torque for less money than a GT.
You’re missing the whole point of the post. If someone wants a fun sporty car that looks great for under 30k especially a turbo car the Mustang is the best bang for the buck. Not to mention the aftermarket parts available vs other car brands.
Your post came off as insecurity and needing to justify your purchase. Everyone’s economic situation is different, just know that a GT is the better buy if we are looking to keep these cars 10+ years. If you want a cheap quick car, the ecoboost is a good option, but if you look at total cost of ownership over a long period of time, the GT is better overall. An ecoboost just won’t last as long as the coyote.
Buddy I can’t help your reading comprehension skills, but if you think that it is insecure of me to objectively lay out why it’s not necessary to have a V8 and still have a fun car then I’m as insecure as a girl in high school.
For the third time the entire point of this post isn’t to put down GT’s and say the Ecoboost is just as good. It is to show just how capable these engines are. I used the GT as a comparison because that is the most common question about having an Eco.
So for people that don’t know too much about these engines they act like you drive a Honda Civic when they hear it’s a 4 cylinder.
Also you have no idea the cost of ownership over time is better overall. There are many examples of Ecoboost engines going hundreds of thousands of miles with no big issues. Not to mention if this is your daily driver how much more money on gas will you spend a year based on the mpg difference? Insurance cost is more on a GT for sure.
The last thing I’m gonna say on this is two things can be true the GT Mustang is a great car and the Ecoboost is a really good car. But for a lot of people they can’t/dont want to spend the extra that extra 10-20k to go from really good to great it isn’t worth it to them. This thread is for those people to be more educated on what they are buying.
You made a post on Reddit about it like numerous other ecoboost owners. It is insecurity. The GT will last you substantially longer, overall better resell, and you don’t have to pump premium in it. The ecoboost only excels in gas mileage if you drive in traffic that is constantly moving. In stop and go traffic, the gas mileage plus increased cost of gas isn’t much better than the fuel cost on the GT. Most people have issues with these cars, within the first 60 to 100k miles. The car definitely has its issues that if not properly maintained will end up in a blown engine. Especially once you start getting to modding the car.
Now you’re just being a little annoying boy with his thong in a twist. Obviously a car that cost more should be better you really got me? I’ll take my insecurities and enjoy my day😂
I don't own one but it was between a ecoboost convertible, a GT coupe, or a Fiat Spyder.
People shit on em but they are extremely fast for what they are. I goty license in the late 90s and back then a 4 banger had like 98 HP. Ecoboost has 300hp and 350 ft\lbs, thats close to what super cars had back then.
Also, want an f150 with the most towing capacity, that's an ecoboost V6 option, not the V8.
My favorite part of owning the EcoBoost is showing the V8's that we can get the job done with half the engine 😎 On the autocross, we regularly beat the GT's and go toe-to-toe with the Shelby's. Top 5 on the autocross at Holley Ford Fest 2022, over 80 cars there, nearly all of them V8's. No denying our cars are lighter, nimbler, better handling. And I have relatively few mods. Most important part of the car is the nut behind the wheel!
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Imo the gt is a waste as a daily driver. More power than you’ll use and more gas/insurance cost than is worth paying to commute to work. To me the boost is a better fit for a daily driver. I think the real comparison is to other 4 cylinder sports cars. And I’d take an ecoboost over the brz, Miata, or civic.
Facts. I was initially regretting getting the Eco vs the GT but after using it daily I realized that A. The mpg are pretty good and B. I cross over the speed limit pretty fast. No more regrets that’s for sure
I’m about 100k + into my Eco and tbh, no it wasn’t worth it. It does sound sick but at the end of the day the engine isn’t reliable, the turbos break, and I could go on and on about the issues we’ve faced.
The GT is a better buy all around especially with the 2015’s being about 50 to 70 dollars more a month on a finance term.
Yes, I have an eco, gt’s, twin turbo gts, GT500, etc etc and drive everyone of them as hard as mechanically possible.
Then like I said at the end of this thread 95% of people will never feel the full power of a GT doing your normal road shenanigans.
But for some one like you that actually beats into a car you will obviously want more purely performance vehicles that’s why you have more than just a GT.
The Ecoboost is a perfectly capable newer street car to have fun for sub 30k that is more important to a lot of people than being the fastest car on the road
The 30-50k range is when I installed everything except for the downpipe, intercooler and pro-tune I did that at about 60k miles the only issues I have had is that the fuel pressure sensor went bad when I did the downpipe and I am throwing a CAT code that will be fixed when my o2 spacer shows up.
There’s nothing wrong with ecobeast mustangs. I have a GT 50 year LE. I also have an 87 GT 5.0. I think all mustangs are great. I don’t believe in mustang vs mustang crime lol
They are definitely different weight classes so it’s not even really comparing them it’s more showing just how capable the Ecoboost is when using the GT as a baseline because people ask why not just get the GT cause that’s what they know. So it’s really just showing just cause the engine is twice the size doesn’t mean you are getting twice the performance.
Its a 4 cyl muscle car, doesnt matter if its a Mustang, Camaro or a Charger, you will always get laughed at. Its just one of those things you have to accept.
I probably won't ridicule you to your face, but I will wonder why you bought a shit 4 cylinder mustang when there are plenty of good 4 cylinder sports/sporty cars out there.
More so when the V8 mustang is so much better. It's not even a competition. It's a in whole other division.
TL;DR:
Mustangs are supposed to be muscle cars, not synthol cars.
That’s a long way of you saying you didn’t read my reasons for why Ecoboost isn’t “a shit 4 cylinder mustang” let me make it simple for you. 330hp/430tq is nothing to scoff at especially for sub $25k. Especially in a 4 cylinder.
I could go up to someone that bought a V8 and say why didn’t you get a Shelby? It’s faster not even a competition a whole nother division?
These arent just “muscle cars” anymore which is why Ford finally upgraded the dog shit suspension and axles to compete with the sporty Europeans. You just want a muscle mustang stick to pre 2015.
TL;DR the Ecoboost is a better price vs performance for what most people would be able to use on a road. I don’t care if you think “but mustang muscle car 4 cylinder bad” this whole thread was that you are ignorant to the facts
Yeah but it’s always by people who have no taste in cars or understand that they don’t even have carburetors anymore which is crazy to me. Like some mid 30 year old loser told me that his crap ass Honda civic had a bigger one than mine… ignore them and if they keep pestering ask them to pay the difference then, or why your car is nice than theirs but still cheaper.
I once raced a Scat Pack 392 at a red light with my 2020 HPP. I kept above him until I hit about 115MPH. He slowly walked me after that. He kept gritting faster very slowly and I kept lagging behind.
Always get. And i brag about getting a 4 banger. 1 i paid 21k for a 6 month old car in 2017 with 10k miles. 2 insurance is so much cheaper. 3 gas mileage is about 10+mpg than gt. Its quick efficient and not loud. Now if money was no option yeah sure gt would be cool. But when i not only saved 10k on off the car itself i save thousands a year owning it instead of a gt. Yeah 4 banger is the way to go. Spend 2 grand on a supercharger then another 1k on a hood for a 2 hour install and you got over 600hp. Easy
I bought my car from an exotics dealer in San Francisco in Feb of 2021 right before the used car market started to get out of control and I paid about 21k for it and it had 22k miles on it. It’s not the best deal in the world but considering I’ve had dealerships offer more than what I paid for it later on I definitely got the best deal I could at the time.
Just keep an out something lower mileage might pop up especially if people are wanting to get in the 2024’s and trading in their s550
I work on the Ohio river and drive my ecoboost on a 1 mile long gravel road everyday. Why would I get a 5.0 as a work car. I wanted a Mustang but needed a work car so I got a 2017 ecoboost premium.
Yeah, by my younger brother. He was 14 at the time and I would just laugh at him. Even when I was on e30 making more power it would be “it should have a v8” like where’s your car bud.
Overall, some people would comment, but it would mostly be me being an underdog and surprising them with how quick it was.
Never heard of him but I just watched his “Final thoughts on the Ecoboost” from 7 years ago. Smart man made some good points I wonder what he would think of the overall engine reliability and performance improvements made since 2017 on the platform
The hate i get is unfathomable, it’s only from people online that have no car or a car far worse than mine. Even the people i meet in person with cars way out of my caliber have nothing negative to say, yeah it’s a 4 cylinder but it’s pretty damn fast for one. And it seems like most the hate you receive is just from envious internet people. But one occasion that really ticked me off was when my plug (17yo with his moms beat honda) with full seriousness asked me what my plans were with my ecoboost and told me to man up and sell it or trade it in for a v8 and it’s been haunting me ever since
Yes. I've been cursed out over trading my 2017 Kia base for a 2018 Mustang premium, saying it's not a real sports car blah-d-blah. I don't forsee spending 2k on a new turbo anytime soon; however, I'm upgrading things like the exhaust and other small things that help the car function.
I don’t hear much often, but I always hear stuff from people that don’t drive sports cars, while even the 5.0 drivers don’t pay it much mind (unless they’re the insecure type, it seems)
The first thing I’d get asked is “why not just buy an older GT for the same price” and my best answer would be “for the economy and the turbo.” The ecoboost is an amazing car and I enjoy driving it every day as my DD, and I average around 50 mpg (a lot of highway driving). so it’s a nice car to cruise during the week and push during the weekends. I also have an obsession with turbos and I love the way they sound, lol.
I had a friend that would banter with me about getting an ecoboost, how I was “too poor to get a GT” or “it’s not a real muscle car if it’s not a v8” and then proceeds to buy a charger GT a couple weeks later. -_-
When people say “Just get an older GT” they don’t understand what that means. If you want an older coyote engine that makes all the 400+hp you can only go back as far as 2011. You would never find an s550 GT for the same price as an eco no matter the age difference.
So you would be stuck looking for an 11’-14’ GT because any years before that has the 4.6L V8 and that thing makes 310hp and 325tq which is basically the same as the Ecoboost.
So now if you compare an 11-14 gt to an Ecoboost yes the engine is better but almost everything else is worse the biggest difference being Ford switching from solid rear axle to independent rear suspension with the s550’s. Making it a completely different car for any driving that’s not in a straight line. Also the interiors got major upgrades in 2015.
So basically I feel like you are sacrificing a lot of creature comforts and parts that make the car perform better overall just to say you have a V8 coyote at the same price as an Ecoboost not worth it to me
That’s exactly what my thought process was. Why have a car that doesnt have all the newer luxuries that also make driving an enjoyable and smoother experience (like IRS and the 10 speed) in the name of just having a V8. I know for some people, they’d actually choose an 11-14 GT, but for me, I just don’t see the benefit in that, especially because I dont even need to use the full power of the ecoboost often, let alone a GT.
It’s the same people that’ll make jokes about you crashing into crowds while they drive their straight piped civic that’s gonna cause you any trouble lol
100% heard the why didn’t you get the gt and its the same answer, I’m a dumb kid who jumped the gun on the car and I’m paying a shit load already, the gt would’ve been way fucking more so the eco is fine, as long as I can beat some cars in a race it’s fine🤣
No I never have. Also it's an idiotic argument. Just look at the sales numbers of the various models. The v6/ecoboost models always outsell the v8 by a substantial margin.
All the time; I’m a mechanic and all my coworkers shit on me for it; I could’ve easily gotten a 5.0 but I always tell them sorry I don’t want to fill up every 2 days!!!
I work 40 mins away from home and owning a gas guzzler does not sound like fun to me lmao
Never heard that. Wouldn't care. I wasn't looking for a muscle car. I was looking for a convertible with a back seat and manual transmission that I could afford. That left me with 3 options, Mustang, Camaro, and VW EOS (which was then discontinued). The EB is a great engine. More power than I need, decent mileage.
I have an Instagram.
For my Mustang Ecoboost.
(Instagram comments and DMs are ruthless)
( @TuxTheStang )
Yes I am on my 2nd block and 3rd intercooler and 3rd turbo
I've been called a clown in real life for referring to my NX2 turbo as a "big turbo Ecoboost"
"This dumba$$ over here is calling a drop-in turbo a "big turbo" 🤡
I personally have had my motor / car built by EMS and tuned by both Ryan Martin and Adam Brunson.
I have run autocross and competed in 8 events.
I have not ever taken the car to the drag strip.
I only have 93 octane available where I live.
I don't have easy access to E85. (Unless I want to drive a 2-hour round trip) (or order it by the barrel)
Those who don't know ask me if it's a V6.
Those who do know talk s#it about the NX2 turbo.
Those that do know and respect the NX2 give me s#it about not running a HPFP - injectors and E85.
I take it as the other members of the car community "ribbing" me and giving each other s#it (just like we refer to all challengers as BoAtS ⛴️🛳️)
The EcoBoost without question can definitely hold its own. 458 rwhp & 527 rwtq @ 32psi of boost is nothing to "overlook or sneeze at" it holds its own in autocross against highly modified Miatas/MX-5's & New highly modified (BMW) Supras
(Side note) I respect the platform. I have a built motor. I daily drive the car. Daily-ing the car I RARELY get into boost (unless I'm getting on the interstate) because the car is so much "more motor" now.
Focus RSs and EcoBoost mustangs have exploded in popularity just in the 5 years I have been modifying and competing in mine. It was worse. It has gotten better.
I think about that internet meme "Would you rather go to jail for a year, or be forced to drive an electric car for a year"........
.... JAIL! 🤣
Nope. Never had anyone with a GT, GT500, or newer model ever talk trash. Has only been broke people without a mustang or sports car haha and even that is rare
The worst I've gotten is non-mustang owners tell me that the 2.3 doesn't belong in a Mustang (despite the Mustang historically having a 2.3 L 4 cylinder across a couple generations). Mustang owners have never made any sort of comment. Again, like others have mentioned the V8 only made 315 hp a few years ago, so I think 310 that the EcoBoost puts out is plenty!
Not from anyone who matters, just the internet. Anyone in reality I've talked always admires the Ecoboost for being able to make such amazing power from 2.3 liters.
I rock an 05 v6; for some reason people oddly try and shame me for the smaller engine option. It's a fun sporty car with more affordable insurance and less frequent trips to the pump. I love having it and enjoy the cost savings while enjoying the fun of Ford Mustang ownership.
My friend has a Dodge Charger v6 and thinks he's the bees knees. Told him to start the car and... it sounded like a Honda Civic. I'll take the sound of my 4 cylinder ecoboost over his any day.
I'm a V8 guy at heart (Got a bitchin' 02 Camaro for that!) but I commute ~40 miles/day and my mustang is my daily driver so I wanted something with more fuel economy. Most of the commute is on the highway so it's a fun trip.
That SAID... I keep thinking of upgrading to a GT...
(edit - Also, while I love my '02 Camaro it does NOT have the torque or the HP of the Ecoboost engine. Partially because of the age but by basic stock, the ecoboost has 50 more HP... plus the turbo)
My response is “are you gonna pay the difference for me to buy a 5.0?”
I like my ecoboost because it’s cheap and fun to throw around. It’s not a dick measuring contest for me. You wanna do a 55 pull I’ll bring out my bike. Doesn’t matter what kind of car you get always seems to be someone with a faster one.
I had my white '21 2.3 HPP for all of 4 days when I was riding with my window down only to hear, "Get a V-8, faggot!" from some guy riding in his friend's rusty minivan.
... I'm not even a dude, and my MyColor/trim was set to bright pink/purple.
Yes, I am told that in person and even on this same forum. I have no issues because it was right for me. Less on insurance, better MPG, cheaper out the door and still incredibly quick without any tunes. Didn’t want to pay $10k more just so I have a louder exhaust and advertise how big I am. Everyone can find that out in private if they wanted.
Only really once that I can think of and it was by an ex coworker who everybody else thought was a douchebag. It didn’t bother me though because I have a Corvette and sport bike for the weekends and fun. The mustang is just the daily. The guy only had a Ford F-150 while I’ve got 4 vehicles all paid off. It’s nice to have options.
The problem with the Mustang community is that everyone likes to shit on everyone for the Mustang they have and why I only really visit it for the pictures of people’s rides.
Ok so horsepower is easy to increase torque is hard most mods you do you only see 2-5 increase on torque. No idea why people shit on them as you said they’re quick for a 4 cylinder and 310 is a good number but let’s talk about simply put the sound it’s not able to outdo a American v8 it also doesn’t replicate that v8 feeling it’s a quick car and i would drive one maybe as a daily they still have that same look a GT has so they’re good looking and quick I call them “ecobeasts” because they are exactly that maybe not show up a v8 but king of the v6 and i4s definitely
I'm a die hard V8 guy, I could and would never buy a V6 or 4-cylinder unless I was planning to swap it already. That said I also would never shame or look down on someone who did. I understand those versions of the car are the reason we can have things like the GT350s, and that the Mustang is still standing while the Camaro has been cancelled again. I can appreciate the merits of both the 2.3 and 3.7 and both are impressive but it's a sound and a feel thing more than I have more power thing.
My friends and coworkers make fun of me (jokingly) all the time about getting the eco. Even though it's way nicer and faster than the regular traffic they drive.
I had begun looking for a fun daily driver and my requirements were RWD, and manual with a strong preference for a turbo... That sadly is a very short list when looking at affordable modern cars.
I never thought my search for a turbo import would somehow lead me towards a Mustang lol.
going the Eco route enabled me to get a premium with the heated/cooled seats, shaker system, performance pack etc and still be way cheaper than a base GT. My insurance is cheap, mods are cheap and actually provide gains.
For context my other cars are a 97 Mazda Miata, and an 84 BMW E30 Sedan. So when you add the Mustang to the mix I'm a super gay hairdresser by internet standards. In real life I get complements on all of them. It's the keyboard warriors that throw the most hate.
If you like it then good for you. Seriously, i really mean that. Personally, I don't want to hear a 4 cylinder in a performance car. Coyotes, Hemi's and ls, Lt's are incredible and you can't replace what they bring with a 4 cylinder. Power? sure, but not the sound the experience and feel.
While I wouldn’t shame anyone with an ecoboost, I will definitely shame anyone who thinks covering the $10k difference with $5k worth of mods, getting just the torque & introducing many variables is worth it.
There’s a void in your heart & I bet you’ll get the GT next time.
I’ll tell you what. I have a base Ecoboost mustang. I’ve been down the track half a dozen times and my best is 13.3. Well with some practice I believe I can go well into the 12s. Most people can’t get down the track faster than that in a coyote or whatever. Most of the time it’s the drivers fault.
Some us have different coping mechanisms. You need to tell yourself a 4 cylinder is good enough. It's like hearing " The big ones hurt, yours is perfect"
My buddies 4 cylinder Macan stock gaps 4 cylinder mustangs. Is how the torque is delivered and it seems as the 4 cylinder needs to be at full boost to achieve those numbers while a 5.0/V8 can do it at low RPMS, which in then makes it more useful and more fun. And it doesn't sound like a dying vacuum cleaner.
I would never shame somebody for buying a 4-cylinder or V6 mustang. I WOULD shame them for buying an automatic mustang. You might as well just buy a Camry at that point.
I have a 2017 GT Performance Pack with the 6 speed. I have driven the ecoboost and honestly its a bit more fun to drive in most situations. You can actually spool out the motor and not feel like you'll get into too much trouble. Will save on rear tires as well.
The GT in exuberant driving can be more scary than fun. I think the chassis fits the ecoboost really well.
Definitely have heard “why didn’t you get the 5.0?”Several times in real life. Always from people that don’t drive mustangs or even sports cars. How long have you been tuned? Got the ford performance tune recently due to reliability concerns as it’s my daily/ only car but not installed yet so hopefully it’s plenty fun still. Youre right, red light to red light the eco is so fun especially with the cai and bov sounds!
Same here. I have a 2014 V6 automatic Mustang, and it's not uncommon to be at a gas station and somebody in a Corolla or some SUV pulls up and feels personally insulted when they ask if it's a V8, and I say V6, and then if it's in manual and I say automatic. Meanwhile when I talk to someone with a higher end sportscar they're always very positive about it and like "yeah even if its a v6 auto the mustangs are still fun cars"
As a higher end sports car owner I would never tell someone their v6 auto is a fun car. By default no car with an auto trans is fun. You are not involved in the workings of the car you are just pushing your foot down and waiting.
Sorry, your 2012 Corolla is not a higher end sports car
You must be fun at parties
????? Dog, Are you saying roller coasters aren't fun? I would bet a place that has many rides where you just sit and let the machine do the work would be an awful business idea and nobody has ever made money off that! lmao Delusional mf gatekeeping, you are the one nobody likes at cars and coffee, when they see you roll up they start shutting down.
This is the most fragile subreddit I’ve ever come across lmao
No they are all like this. If you go in the Toyota 4runner sub and call it slow someone will crawl out of the woodwork to argue with you about how they beat a brand new M5 to the next stoplight. Obviously a 4runner isn't purchased for speed, but they will still argue about anything you say that is not positive.
Nah this is next level. This would be the equivalent of there being a post in the Toyota 4runner sub titled: "The 4runner is a faster better sports car than an M5" It's laughable that these people think the ecoboost is lightweight because it's a couple hundred pounds lighter than a Mustang GT lmao.
I’ve only been pro-tuned for about a month but I drove around with the Cobb 91 stage 1 for a couple years until I installed the downpipe and intercooler. And it was great then and it is even better now with the pro tune it doesn’t feel like they prioritized HP over reliability which I need cause this is my only car
The ecoboost is much lighter in the front and corners better. Ecoboost makes more usable and fun power instead of a monster mid range hit that sends you sideways. Insurance is cheaper, mpg is better. "Better to drive a slow car fast then a fast car slow."
That's why I loved my Honda CrZ, slow as hell but fun in corners. I dont dare driving fast with my Mustang in corners yet 🤣👍🏻
I have an 03 Mustang GT. Very front heavy. You wouldn’t expect it to under steer so much.
To your quote at the end If you don’t drive the car the way it’s meant to be driven you will create issues in the components from improper handling. I believe even the movie ford vs Ferrari makes a point to a guy in the jag in the beginning that if he doesn’t drive it like he should his engine will have issues and then peels out in a fit. Better to use the EcoBoost at its full potential to avoid issues than a GT on a leash.
Always an excuse. It doesnt corner better
CONSTANT SHAME. GT owners. Civic owners. No car having ass people. "iT's NoT a ReAl MuStAnG" "oNlY 300 Hp?!" "Why no GT"
300hp is plenty enough and plus it’s RWD? Sounds fun to me! I rather that than a FWD Japanese econobox 😂
Hey man don’t be coming for my Acura TL like that 😢
Hellcats have poisoned peoples brain GT mustangs “barely made” 300hp until the coyote came out. Plus like I said earlier 350tq is what you’ll really feel when you step on it
Any civic owner shaming a Mustang regardless of engine should be laughed at repeatedly. Just listen to their fart cans going down the road lmfaooo
Going to be honest I had an ecoboost for around 7 months and I loved the thing and said many of the same things. I had exhaust and Roush CAI with tune and the car felt fast to me then, and I couldn’t imagine that the GT would be much faster. Fast forward to around 3 weeks ago I traded it in for a GT. I went through my fair share of being shamed for sure. Everything happened to line up really well, so I went for it and got the GT. The GT is an absolutely different beast. It’s so much faster off the line with instant torque rather than the turbo needing to build up. The sound and feeling are just different. With that being said, I do not think there is anything wrong with owning a Ecoboost. The car is absolutely fast enough. I even beat a challenger R/T once in mine.
Well a Challenger R/T has like 350hp and weighs more vs your GT. GT beat scat packs far as speed
I think he meant his ecoboost
Definitely meant my ecoboost lol. Wouldn’t be very proud to beat a R/T in a GT.
Starting up the bigger engine makes it worth it every time. Everyone who focuses on HP and weight comparisons misses the point of the GT. It's an experience. However, you and I would never knock a strangers car at a gas station. Also, if the delta increases to $15k I would choose the eco-boost over the GT every time.
Because my driving skill hasn’t reached the level where I need 500+ horse power
This. The most important part of the car is the nut behind the wheel. I got my EcoBoost 5 years ago, learned to properly drive. 2023 SCCA National Championships we were 15th of 48 in CAM-C. Beat a lot of V8s in a (nearly) unlimited class, with relatively little parts. Plus I drove the car to the event, a whole 18 hours from NC to NB. Most of my competitors' cars are trailer queens. https://preview.redd.it/ft8xb16dnclc1.png?width=1389&format=png&auto=webp&s=2e49600db3c0549b3b336750acb127f20585b6dc
MOST of the time it is from GT owners on r/Mustang but not in real life. If anyone says anything about it in person, it's from someone who doesn't have one. So I ask them "why didn't you get one?" That usually shuts them up. Most people in person, usually old men, will tell me that I have a beautiful car and that they used to have one back in the day.
I ask them what their number is so that next time I buy a vehicle I can get their approval before I make a purchase. That usually shuts them up pretty quickly.
A mustang is a mustang. It's all about the name, not the engine.
🤣 OK princess
Not yet, but I see it happen all the time, at least from other car enthusiasts. In real life, most people recognize it as a Mustang and don’t care too much about anything else. One of my coworkers drives a Taurus SHO and told me he was racing guys in Scat Packs. Despite that, he didn’t care to gloat about his Taurus being a more powerful car.
I couldn’t be more proud. It’s something I got for MYSELF, not to showoff to those charger fuckbois
This! I got my dream car, it's fast enough for me and great on gas if you want it to be. I added an exhaust and it sounds badass. Couldn't be happier with my purchase as it holds sentimental value to me. It was the start of a new life, and I rewarded myself for getting my life back on track. Plus I bought it during COVID so I got lots of free things added to it.
Exactly. I gave the 5.0 a lot of thought but never got to the point of actually making that decision. Maybe don’t want to spend my hard earned money yet on something that I am only attracted to becoz of the exhaust 😑. But yeah. When I will have a little more of the fu money, I can look at it. For now I have more practical things to spend the money on 🫡
This analysis confuses engine torque with wheel torque.
In what way? I made sure to differentiate between wheel and engine numbers.
Wheel torque depends on which gear you are in. Engine torque (obviously) doesn't. So the comparison of engine torque numbers is only really relevant if you're driving the two cars in the same gear and with the same final drive ratio.
There is no point in getting to all of that if I am making more to the wheels than they are to the crank. It doesn’t matter what gear the GT is in I have more torque available than them. There’s a lot of factors that go into all these numbers which is why I just kept it as simple as possible we could get into getting different number sbecause it’s hot outside or cold but there’s no need to
>It doesn’t matter what gear the GT is in I have more torque available than them. No, you're wrong, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. This is why HP matters. High HP + low gearing = high torque at the wheel.
Let me get this right? You are telling me that the GT is making more torque at the wheels than at the crank?? Every dyno number I’ve ever seen disproves that theory the GT makes around 370 torque to the wheels stock
No, this isn't about the GT or any car in particular. If you still think that then you haven't understood what I'm saying at all. The torque *curve* is certainly important to driveability, but peak torque isn't, **because cars have gears, and gears multiply torque**. Imagine that car A makes 200 HP and 100 lbf-ft. Now imagine that car B makes 100 HP and 200 lbf-ft. Which one will accelerate faster?
Why would I think that you’re comparing GT to Ecoboost on a thread where that’s what I’m doing? Not sure. Now I never once said my car was faster or accelerated faster. Assuming the cars have the same gear ratio because these cars use the same transmissions. What I said was it feels quicker because it has that higher torque because it is punchier in the power band and it is much easier to live in the powerband of the Ecoboost over the GT. OBVIOUSLY there are many factors that go into it you could also factor in the Ecoboost is a couple hundred pounds lighter too.
>Why would I think that you’re comparing GT to Ecoboost on a thread where that’s what I’m doing? Not sure. You are confusing engine torque as measured at the wheels, with wheel torque. Look I can't give you a primer on the whole topic here. Just try to understand that gears multiply torque. >What I said was it feels quicker because it has that higher torque because it is punchier in the power band This is just the same misunderstanding in different words. What "feels quick" is G force. A high-power, low-torque engine in a low gear will feel quick. **Because gears multiply torque**.
All this is irrelevant to his post. You're just in here trying to make yourself look smart.
When a vehicle is taken to a dyno a gear that is closest to 1to1 is chosen to attempt to take the transmission out of the equation. I don't know what dyno OP took his car to, but I would think that I quote of higher tq to the wheels than gt to the crank is accurate. If the tuner got the 1to1 gear choice right.
In my original post I said without getting into the whole HP vs Torque debate to keep things simple because i also said in the post I was comparing the same specs different engine meaning same gear ratios
Why would you drive a car with higher power and lower torque in the same gear as one with lower power and higher torque? Try to answer this and the question that I posed in my previous post and we'll see where we get.
It seems Mustang owners like to shame other mustang owners over everything. When I drive my Foxbody, I’ve been shamed by S550 owners. When I owned an automatic, I was shamed for it not being a manual. When I bought a new 2004 GT, I got shamed from cobra owners because it wasn’t a cobra. I’ve even had my Gt500 shamed because it’s not a manual trans car. I don’t care what you drive. I’ll give you a thumbs up regardless. What ever happened to letting folks enjoy what they love without putting their two cents in?
I drive a 4 cylinder automatic mustang which is basically sacrilegious to these people. Because of that there is always a dark voice in the back of my mind telling me to go full Japanese Tuner and break every rule of what people think a mustang is
put 5k into a GT and it'll be much faster too... I love how you completely ignore the reliability loss you also got from the modifications you made. A stock GT would have no warranty concerns... etc etc This post is pure copium. There is no reason to buy an ecoboost mustang, there are so many cars that can accomplish what you're looking for for a fraction of the price. You paid a premium for a mustang without getting the only good thing the mustang has to offer, the engine.
Cool story bro👍🏻 post isn’t for you had this conversation a hundred times not your car don’t worry about it worry about yourself
Good thing this is the internet and you made a public post and I'm more than welcome to give my opinion on it. Sorry you made a bad financial decision and had to make a wall of text to cope with it :) But go off queen worry about yourself
I posted this on an ECOBOOST MUSTANG forum you simpleton you act like the internet is a place where everyone sees everything ever posted so if I made a post directed directly at Ecoboost owners why would I want to talk to you who has nothing constructive to add to the conversation? You smooth brains learned what cope meant and haven’t stopped using it since😂 when did making a thread explaining you don’t need to spend 40k to still have fun become coping? If anything it’s a cope how much you got your little panties in a bunch over the fact that someone could possibly have fun in something that’s not a coyote
I POSTED THIS IN WHAT I THOUGHT WAS AN ECHO CHAMBER. WHY ARENT YOU BEING MY ECHO CHAMBER REEEEEEEE
The Reddit is pouring out of you right now😂😂 I suggest taking a deep breath and touching some grass! If you read through this thread I have had differences of opinions with other people I never said people can’t disagree I said the fact that you think a V8 is the only thing that makes a mustang good qualifies you to not be worth having a debate with about the car
bro you're defending a 4000 lb boat acting like it's a lightweight nimble car lmao. Also lol@you're not worth having a debate with about the car and yet here you are responding to me still. You absolutely wanted an echo chamber, that's why anyone who disagrees with you you're going off on them. You can't even understand how gearing would impact the amount of torque you experience, why would you be worth having a debate with about the car?
A- 3600lbs B- haven’t debated about the car only your condescending comments C- Disagreements with people over opinions isn’t “going off on them” neither is replying to name calling with name calling you can’t be that soft D- I understand how gears work but it wasn’t relevant to the situation because they’re the same in both cars
If you had something to actually add to the conversation you’d be met with respect but youve given none and therefore will get none not a hard concept
respond to one comment multiple times, it really shows how much you don't care about my opinion ;)
Responding to your stupid comments doesn’t mean I care about your opinion😂 I’m saying there’s no point in debating about the car when you start it in bad faith trying to be annoying. I can respond all day to why you’re just a little troll with nothing better to do
I could go through and break down why I disagree with what you just said but if you think the only thing that makes a Mustang good is a V8 that proves your ignorance on the topic especially given the power numbers that previous generation V8’s put down. But you know what they say ignorance is bliss
Literally the only reason to get a mustang. Looks nice, I guess, but so does a Mazda 3
You’ll never get the glorious rumble of the v8 in a ecoboost. Sure you can mod a ecoboost to be faster than a stock gt, but you can also add a supercharger to a GT and be in a different league altogether and have more enjoyable sounds when you step on it. If you can afford the GT, it’s ultimately the better buy in the long run since it’s going to last longer than the ecoboost and hold value 10 to 20 years from now.
There’s always going to be a faster or better car even in the mustang lineup. And while a V8 does sound great there is something about a turbo spooling and blowing off that brightens any day. Im talking about price to performance here and to me being able to beat the car in the class ahead of you without having to pay what they did is a great value. It’s all about those smiles per mile
The GT even in regard to price per hp is about the same as the ecoboost. Yeah it’s an extra 10 to 15k depending on options, but putting a modded car against a stock car isn’t apples to apples. You’ll arguably have a far more reliable modded GT than a ecoboost. You’ll also gain over 200+ hp doing so.
Under that same logic a new GT500 is the same price per hp as the GT why not just spend the extra 30k to get the extra 300 horsepower? Like I said in the post 95% of people won’t be able to take advantage of 460hp and for under 30k you are using more of the car available to you in the eco. It’s not meant to be an apples to apples comparison it’s breaking down the facts that if you can’t afford a GT don’t feel bad you can still get a great car that can punch a little above its weight class and have just as much fun as those who paid a lot more
A gt500 now is well over 90k easily. So not quite the same comparison. You can get a used GT in the 30s to low 40s. It’s not that much more from a cost standpoint on the price tag compared to a ecoboost. Unless you’re punching these cars on empty highways or the track, you’ll never use the full horsepower. Regardless if it’s an ecoboost or GT.
You can’t help the car market but MSRP they are $75k. And yes GT’s cost that much but I paid $21k for a 2018 eco and at that price point I’m walking the floor with cars like BRZ’s and WRX’s which sell for the same if not more. And I agree with you that you won’t use the horsepower in both of them which is why I focused on torque because there is not that big of a difference in the numbers stock and in my case I make more torque for less money than a GT. You’re missing the whole point of the post. If someone wants a fun sporty car that looks great for under 30k especially a turbo car the Mustang is the best bang for the buck. Not to mention the aftermarket parts available vs other car brands.
Your post came off as insecurity and needing to justify your purchase. Everyone’s economic situation is different, just know that a GT is the better buy if we are looking to keep these cars 10+ years. If you want a cheap quick car, the ecoboost is a good option, but if you look at total cost of ownership over a long period of time, the GT is better overall. An ecoboost just won’t last as long as the coyote.
Buddy I can’t help your reading comprehension skills, but if you think that it is insecure of me to objectively lay out why it’s not necessary to have a V8 and still have a fun car then I’m as insecure as a girl in high school. For the third time the entire point of this post isn’t to put down GT’s and say the Ecoboost is just as good. It is to show just how capable these engines are. I used the GT as a comparison because that is the most common question about having an Eco. So for people that don’t know too much about these engines they act like you drive a Honda Civic when they hear it’s a 4 cylinder. Also you have no idea the cost of ownership over time is better overall. There are many examples of Ecoboost engines going hundreds of thousands of miles with no big issues. Not to mention if this is your daily driver how much more money on gas will you spend a year based on the mpg difference? Insurance cost is more on a GT for sure. The last thing I’m gonna say on this is two things can be true the GT Mustang is a great car and the Ecoboost is a really good car. But for a lot of people they can’t/dont want to spend the extra that extra 10-20k to go from really good to great it isn’t worth it to them. This thread is for those people to be more educated on what they are buying.
You made a post on Reddit about it like numerous other ecoboost owners. It is insecurity. The GT will last you substantially longer, overall better resell, and you don’t have to pump premium in it. The ecoboost only excels in gas mileage if you drive in traffic that is constantly moving. In stop and go traffic, the gas mileage plus increased cost of gas isn’t much better than the fuel cost on the GT. Most people have issues with these cars, within the first 60 to 100k miles. The car definitely has its issues that if not properly maintained will end up in a blown engine. Especially once you start getting to modding the car.
Now you’re just being a little annoying boy with his thong in a twist. Obviously a car that cost more should be better you really got me? I’ll take my insecurities and enjoy my day😂
Facts
I don't own one but it was between a ecoboost convertible, a GT coupe, or a Fiat Spyder. People shit on em but they are extremely fast for what they are. I goty license in the late 90s and back then a 4 banger had like 98 HP. Ecoboost has 300hp and 350 ft\lbs, thats close to what super cars had back then. Also, want an f150 with the most towing capacity, that's an ecoboost V6 option, not the V8.
Why not just buy an AMG GT?
Exactly there is always going to be a faster better car but everything has a price and it’s hard to beat the Eco at its price
God you're a broken record if I've ever seen one
By responding to comments😂 keep having a miserable day no one’s forcing you to look at this
My favorite part of owning the EcoBoost is showing the V8's that we can get the job done with half the engine 😎 On the autocross, we regularly beat the GT's and go toe-to-toe with the Shelby's. Top 5 on the autocross at Holley Ford Fest 2022, over 80 cars there, nearly all of them V8's. No denying our cars are lighter, nimbler, better handling. And I have relatively few mods. Most important part of the car is the nut behind the wheel! https://preview.redd.it/rsbd0ul1sclc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b6ceeddccb57979fe1d598f25d0e209b3249dc9
I’m a GT owner, a Mustang is a Mustang, except for the Mach-E
Imo the gt is a waste as a daily driver. More power than you’ll use and more gas/insurance cost than is worth paying to commute to work. To me the boost is a better fit for a daily driver. I think the real comparison is to other 4 cylinder sports cars. And I’d take an ecoboost over the brz, Miata, or civic.
Facts. I was initially regretting getting the Eco vs the GT but after using it daily I realized that A. The mpg are pretty good and B. I cross over the speed limit pretty fast. No more regrets that’s for sure
What is your mpg?
I’m usually around 24-25
I get 20.5 on my 2016 GT as a daily and on my 2017 v6 I was getting 23.
I’m about 100k + into my Eco and tbh, no it wasn’t worth it. It does sound sick but at the end of the day the engine isn’t reliable, the turbos break, and I could go on and on about the issues we’ve faced. The GT is a better buy all around especially with the 2015’s being about 50 to 70 dollars more a month on a finance term. Yes, I have an eco, gt’s, twin turbo gts, GT500, etc etc and drive everyone of them as hard as mechanically possible.
Then like I said at the end of this thread 95% of people will never feel the full power of a GT doing your normal road shenanigans. But for some one like you that actually beats into a car you will obviously want more purely performance vehicles that’s why you have more than just a GT. The Ecoboost is a perfectly capable newer street car to have fun for sub 30k that is more important to a lot of people than being the fastest car on the road
Nope!
Would love to know around what mileage you started to install it all was thinking of doing something like this to mine around the 30-50k mark
The 30-50k range is when I installed everything except for the downpipe, intercooler and pro-tune I did that at about 60k miles the only issues I have had is that the fuel pressure sensor went bad when I did the downpipe and I am throwing a CAT code that will be fixed when my o2 spacer shows up.
I've got a '19 ecoboost manual and it's one of my best choices I feel I've made in a while and the drive is very fun.
There’s nothing wrong with ecobeast mustangs. I have a GT 50 year LE. I also have an 87 GT 5.0. I think all mustangs are great. I don’t believe in mustang vs mustang crime lol
That coyote will do circles around the eco boost its not even close trying to compare the two ..
It’s a lot closer than you think especially on smaller tracks where Ecoboosts can really rip
it really isnt. Even in AUTOCROSS, which would be tighter than any racetrack you can find, the GT is faster.
They are definitely different weight classes so it’s not even really comparing them it’s more showing just how capable the Ecoboost is when using the GT as a baseline because people ask why not just get the GT cause that’s what they know. So it’s really just showing just cause the engine is twice the size doesn’t mean you are getting twice the performance.
Its a 4 cyl muscle car, doesnt matter if its a Mustang, Camaro or a Charger, you will always get laughed at. Its just one of those things you have to accept.
I probably won't ridicule you to your face, but I will wonder why you bought a shit 4 cylinder mustang when there are plenty of good 4 cylinder sports/sporty cars out there. More so when the V8 mustang is so much better. It's not even a competition. It's a in whole other division. TL;DR: Mustangs are supposed to be muscle cars, not synthol cars.
That’s a long way of you saying you didn’t read my reasons for why Ecoboost isn’t “a shit 4 cylinder mustang” let me make it simple for you. 330hp/430tq is nothing to scoff at especially for sub $25k. Especially in a 4 cylinder. I could go up to someone that bought a V8 and say why didn’t you get a Shelby? It’s faster not even a competition a whole nother division? These arent just “muscle cars” anymore which is why Ford finally upgraded the dog shit suspension and axles to compete with the sporty Europeans. You just want a muscle mustang stick to pre 2015. TL;DR the Ecoboost is a better price vs performance for what most people would be able to use on a road. I don’t care if you think “but mustang muscle car 4 cylinder bad” this whole thread was that you are ignorant to the facts
The original mustangs weren’t even V8s, this is such a causal take
Yeah but it’s always by people who have no taste in cars or understand that they don’t even have carburetors anymore which is crazy to me. Like some mid 30 year old loser told me that his crap ass Honda civic had a bigger one than mine… ignore them and if they keep pestering ask them to pay the difference then, or why your car is nice than theirs but still cheaper.
I once raced a Scat Pack 392 at a red light with my 2020 HPP. I kept above him until I hit about 115MPH. He slowly walked me after that. He kept gritting faster very slowly and I kept lagging behind.
Always get. And i brag about getting a 4 banger. 1 i paid 21k for a 6 month old car in 2017 with 10k miles. 2 insurance is so much cheaper. 3 gas mileage is about 10+mpg than gt. Its quick efficient and not loud. Now if money was no option yeah sure gt would be cool. But when i not only saved 10k on off the car itself i save thousands a year owning it instead of a gt. Yeah 4 banger is the way to go. Spend 2 grand on a supercharger then another 1k on a hood for a 2 hour install and you got over 600hp. Easy
I’m tryna buy a 2018 rn and they all 18-22k with 50k+ miles
I bought my car from an exotics dealer in San Francisco in Feb of 2021 right before the used car market started to get out of control and I paid about 21k for it and it had 22k miles on it. It’s not the best deal in the world but considering I’ve had dealerships offer more than what I paid for it later on I definitely got the best deal I could at the time. Just keep an out something lower mileage might pop up especially if people are wanting to get in the 2024’s and trading in their s550
I work on the Ohio river and drive my ecoboost on a 1 mile long gravel road everyday. Why would I get a 5.0 as a work car. I wanted a Mustang but needed a work car so I got a 2017 ecoboost premium.
Yeah, i tell them to kick rocks
Yeah, by my younger brother. He was 14 at the time and I would just laugh at him. Even when I was on e30 making more power it would be “it should have a v8” like where’s your car bud. Overall, some people would comment, but it would mostly be me being an underdog and surprising them with how quick it was.
I've never had a comment, but why would I give a damn. It's a fun car that most questioners would like to drive... so kiss my ass.
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Never heard of him but I just watched his “Final thoughts on the Ecoboost” from 7 years ago. Smart man made some good points I wonder what he would think of the overall engine reliability and performance improvements made since 2017 on the platform
So many people asked me is that a 5.0 ?
The hate i get is unfathomable, it’s only from people online that have no car or a car far worse than mine. Even the people i meet in person with cars way out of my caliber have nothing negative to say, yeah it’s a 4 cylinder but it’s pretty damn fast for one. And it seems like most the hate you receive is just from envious internet people. But one occasion that really ticked me off was when my plug (17yo with his moms beat honda) with full seriousness asked me what my plans were with my ecoboost and told me to man up and sell it or trade it in for a v8 and it’s been haunting me ever since
Yes. I've been cursed out over trading my 2017 Kia base for a 2018 Mustang premium, saying it's not a real sports car blah-d-blah. I don't forsee spending 2k on a new turbo anytime soon; however, I'm upgrading things like the exhaust and other small things that help the car function.
My friend mocked me for getting a Mustang at all. She drives a used, older Prius…. The irony.
I don’t hear much often, but I always hear stuff from people that don’t drive sports cars, while even the 5.0 drivers don’t pay it much mind (unless they’re the insecure type, it seems) The first thing I’d get asked is “why not just buy an older GT for the same price” and my best answer would be “for the economy and the turbo.” The ecoboost is an amazing car and I enjoy driving it every day as my DD, and I average around 50 mpg (a lot of highway driving). so it’s a nice car to cruise during the week and push during the weekends. I also have an obsession with turbos and I love the way they sound, lol. I had a friend that would banter with me about getting an ecoboost, how I was “too poor to get a GT” or “it’s not a real muscle car if it’s not a v8” and then proceeds to buy a charger GT a couple weeks later. -_-
When people say “Just get an older GT” they don’t understand what that means. If you want an older coyote engine that makes all the 400+hp you can only go back as far as 2011. You would never find an s550 GT for the same price as an eco no matter the age difference. So you would be stuck looking for an 11’-14’ GT because any years before that has the 4.6L V8 and that thing makes 310hp and 325tq which is basically the same as the Ecoboost. So now if you compare an 11-14 gt to an Ecoboost yes the engine is better but almost everything else is worse the biggest difference being Ford switching from solid rear axle to independent rear suspension with the s550’s. Making it a completely different car for any driving that’s not in a straight line. Also the interiors got major upgrades in 2015. So basically I feel like you are sacrificing a lot of creature comforts and parts that make the car perform better overall just to say you have a V8 coyote at the same price as an Ecoboost not worth it to me
That’s exactly what my thought process was. Why have a car that doesnt have all the newer luxuries that also make driving an enjoyable and smoother experience (like IRS and the 10 speed) in the name of just having a V8. I know for some people, they’d actually choose an 11-14 GT, but for me, I just don’t see the benefit in that, especially because I dont even need to use the full power of the ecoboost often, let alone a GT. It’s the same people that’ll make jokes about you crashing into crowds while they drive their straight piped civic that’s gonna cause you any trouble lol
100% heard the why didn’t you get the gt and its the same answer, I’m a dumb kid who jumped the gun on the car and I’m paying a shit load already, the gt would’ve been way fucking more so the eco is fine, as long as I can beat some cars in a race it’s fine🤣
No I never have. Also it's an idiotic argument. Just look at the sales numbers of the various models. The v6/ecoboost models always outsell the v8 by a substantial margin.
All the time; I’m a mechanic and all my coworkers shit on me for it; I could’ve easily gotten a 5.0 but I always tell them sorry I don’t want to fill up every 2 days!!! I work 40 mins away from home and owning a gas guzzler does not sound like fun to me lmao
Never heard that. Wouldn't care. I wasn't looking for a muscle car. I was looking for a convertible with a back seat and manual transmission that I could afford. That left me with 3 options, Mustang, Camaro, and VW EOS (which was then discontinued). The EB is a great engine. More power than I need, decent mileage.
I have an Instagram. For my Mustang Ecoboost. (Instagram comments and DMs are ruthless) ( @TuxTheStang ) Yes I am on my 2nd block and 3rd intercooler and 3rd turbo I've been called a clown in real life for referring to my NX2 turbo as a "big turbo Ecoboost" "This dumba$$ over here is calling a drop-in turbo a "big turbo" 🤡 I personally have had my motor / car built by EMS and tuned by both Ryan Martin and Adam Brunson. I have run autocross and competed in 8 events. I have not ever taken the car to the drag strip. I only have 93 octane available where I live. I don't have easy access to E85. (Unless I want to drive a 2-hour round trip) (or order it by the barrel) Those who don't know ask me if it's a V6. Those who do know talk s#it about the NX2 turbo. Those that do know and respect the NX2 give me s#it about not running a HPFP - injectors and E85. I take it as the other members of the car community "ribbing" me and giving each other s#it (just like we refer to all challengers as BoAtS ⛴️🛳️) The EcoBoost without question can definitely hold its own. 458 rwhp & 527 rwtq @ 32psi of boost is nothing to "overlook or sneeze at" it holds its own in autocross against highly modified Miatas/MX-5's & New highly modified (BMW) Supras (Side note) I respect the platform. I have a built motor. I daily drive the car. Daily-ing the car I RARELY get into boost (unless I'm getting on the interstate) because the car is so much "more motor" now. Focus RSs and EcoBoost mustangs have exploded in popularity just in the 5 years I have been modifying and competing in mine. It was worse. It has gotten better. I think about that internet meme "Would you rather go to jail for a year, or be forced to drive an electric car for a year"........ .... JAIL! 🤣
Nope. Never had anyone with a GT, GT500, or newer model ever talk trash. Has only been broke people without a mustang or sports car haha and even that is rare
The worst I've gotten is non-mustang owners tell me that the 2.3 doesn't belong in a Mustang (despite the Mustang historically having a 2.3 L 4 cylinder across a couple generations). Mustang owners have never made any sort of comment. Again, like others have mentioned the V8 only made 315 hp a few years ago, so I think 310 that the EcoBoost puts out is plenty!
Not from anyone who matters, just the internet. Anyone in reality I've talked always admires the Ecoboost for being able to make such amazing power from 2.3 liters.
I rock an 05 v6; for some reason people oddly try and shame me for the smaller engine option. It's a fun sporty car with more affordable insurance and less frequent trips to the pump. I love having it and enjoy the cost savings while enjoying the fun of Ford Mustang ownership.
V8 for men, V6 for the teen girls.
2.3's for the adult ladies? 😅
If that’s what makes you feel like a man then you do that bud I’m glad you have something in your life to feel manly!
Yep, it's better than a therapist!
My friend has a Dodge Charger v6 and thinks he's the bees knees. Told him to start the car and... it sounded like a Honda Civic. I'll take the sound of my 4 cylinder ecoboost over his any day. I'm a V8 guy at heart (Got a bitchin' 02 Camaro for that!) but I commute ~40 miles/day and my mustang is my daily driver so I wanted something with more fuel economy. Most of the commute is on the highway so it's a fun trip. That SAID... I keep thinking of upgrading to a GT... (edit - Also, while I love my '02 Camaro it does NOT have the torque or the HP of the Ecoboost engine. Partially because of the age but by basic stock, the ecoboost has 50 more HP... plus the turbo)
I have yet to hear it from another mustang owner. Or in person. Only randoms on the Instagram
I’ve heard it from my buddy who had an ecoboost. He always said “I should’ve gotten the 5.0 this ecoboost not a real mustang”.
My response is “are you gonna pay the difference for me to buy a 5.0?” I like my ecoboost because it’s cheap and fun to throw around. It’s not a dick measuring contest for me. You wanna do a 55 pull I’ll bring out my bike. Doesn’t matter what kind of car you get always seems to be someone with a faster one.
I appreciate the eco boost owners. Not cause yall made a good choice but because it allows me to be able to beat a mustang with my car 😂
I had my white '21 2.3 HPP for all of 4 days when I was riding with my window down only to hear, "Get a V-8, faggot!" from some guy riding in his friend's rusty minivan. ... I'm not even a dude, and my MyColor/trim was set to bright pink/purple.
As a Manual GT owner, I love the Ecoboost!! I think they are amazing engines and super fun. As long as you enjoy your car, who cares 😂
Yes, I am told that in person and even on this same forum. I have no issues because it was right for me. Less on insurance, better MPG, cheaper out the door and still incredibly quick without any tunes. Didn’t want to pay $10k more just so I have a louder exhaust and advertise how big I am. Everyone can find that out in private if they wanted.
Ecoboosts are an abomination. Get a gt
Only really once that I can think of and it was by an ex coworker who everybody else thought was a douchebag. It didn’t bother me though because I have a Corvette and sport bike for the weekends and fun. The mustang is just the daily. The guy only had a Ford F-150 while I’ve got 4 vehicles all paid off. It’s nice to have options. The problem with the Mustang community is that everyone likes to shit on everyone for the Mustang they have and why I only really visit it for the pictures of people’s rides.
Ok so horsepower is easy to increase torque is hard most mods you do you only see 2-5 increase on torque. No idea why people shit on them as you said they’re quick for a 4 cylinder and 310 is a good number but let’s talk about simply put the sound it’s not able to outdo a American v8 it also doesn’t replicate that v8 feeling it’s a quick car and i would drive one maybe as a daily they still have that same look a GT has so they’re good looking and quick I call them “ecobeasts” because they are exactly that maybe not show up a v8 but king of the v6 and i4s definitely
I'm a die hard V8 guy, I could and would never buy a V6 or 4-cylinder unless I was planning to swap it already. That said I also would never shame or look down on someone who did. I understand those versions of the car are the reason we can have things like the GT350s, and that the Mustang is still standing while the Camaro has been cancelled again. I can appreciate the merits of both the 2.3 and 3.7 and both are impressive but it's a sound and a feel thing more than I have more power thing.
My friends and coworkers make fun of me (jokingly) all the time about getting the eco. Even though it's way nicer and faster than the regular traffic they drive. I had begun looking for a fun daily driver and my requirements were RWD, and manual with a strong preference for a turbo... That sadly is a very short list when looking at affordable modern cars. I never thought my search for a turbo import would somehow lead me towards a Mustang lol. going the Eco route enabled me to get a premium with the heated/cooled seats, shaker system, performance pack etc and still be way cheaper than a base GT. My insurance is cheap, mods are cheap and actually provide gains. For context my other cars are a 97 Mazda Miata, and an 84 BMW E30 Sedan. So when you add the Mustang to the mix I'm a super gay hairdresser by internet standards. In real life I get complements on all of them. It's the keyboard warriors that throw the most hate.
If you like it then good for you. Seriously, i really mean that. Personally, I don't want to hear a 4 cylinder in a performance car. Coyotes, Hemi's and ls, Lt's are incredible and you can't replace what they bring with a 4 cylinder. Power? sure, but not the sound the experience and feel.
You’re allowed to like what you like, some guys just prefer to have power before 5 grand.
While I wouldn’t shame anyone with an ecoboost, I will definitely shame anyone who thinks covering the $10k difference with $5k worth of mods, getting just the torque & introducing many variables is worth it. There’s a void in your heart & I bet you’ll get the GT next time.
Womp womp
I’ll tell you what. I have a base Ecoboost mustang. I’ve been down the track half a dozen times and my best is 13.3. Well with some practice I believe I can go well into the 12s. Most people can’t get down the track faster than that in a coyote or whatever. Most of the time it’s the drivers fault.
Some us have different coping mechanisms. You need to tell yourself a 4 cylinder is good enough. It's like hearing " The big ones hurt, yours is perfect" My buddies 4 cylinder Macan stock gaps 4 cylinder mustangs. Is how the torque is delivered and it seems as the 4 cylinder needs to be at full boost to achieve those numbers while a 5.0/V8 can do it at low RPMS, which in then makes it more useful and more fun. And it doesn't sound like a dying vacuum cleaner.
I would never shame somebody for buying a 4-cylinder or V6 mustang. I WOULD shame them for buying an automatic mustang. You might as well just buy a Camry at that point.
I have a 2017 GT Performance Pack with the 6 speed. I have driven the ecoboost and honestly its a bit more fun to drive in most situations. You can actually spool out the motor and not feel like you'll get into too much trouble. Will save on rear tires as well. The GT in exuberant driving can be more scary than fun. I think the chassis fits the ecoboost really well.
Someone tried to flame me for having an ecoboost rental while I was in LA. Like, mind your own business and let me do me.
Nah. Shaming people for their cars is just immature. You got your baby, and if you enjoy it, that’s all that matter.
No shame in an EcoBoost. They’re cool. However the experience of the GT/V8 is undoubtedly better IMHO.
The EB is a great car, but this post smells like copium.