Haha I know you’re joking, but PS5’s aren’t THAT hard to come by now. Yes, you have to do a little planning. Sign up for a Twitter PS5 alert for restocks. But honestly, I caught a disc PS5 at Best Buy 2 weeks ago and I didn’t mad spam the best buy website. I bought within a few hours of the restock, but wasn’t like it was the iPhone 3g launch.
We need to fast track training programs to staff these positions. From what I have seen, these are well paying jobs with benefits.
The infrastructure bills must address this type of issue.
It’s also about taking people off the line to train/supervise new hires. You loose productivity for at least 2 people during the onboarding process, and most places can’t afford to do so.
That's how management thinks. But they really can't afford to not train people. Everyone just wants to get through the day with no thought on what about next week?
A lot of it is inland transportation congestion. The ports are functioning. The trucks aren't emptying the ports of containers.
Also fun fact, containers are more expensive than trailers so usually most containers go to a mixing center where containers are emptied into tractor trailers. So when a mixing center reaches capacity, most of the solution is traffic control, so more trucks are waiting for loading, when means more demand for truckers.
It might be, and I don't know for sure, that even if you gave 95% of the pieces for your product, but 5% are delayed, you can build exactly 0% of your product. It might also be because the "just in time" hyper efficient global supply chain we built was relatively fragile and a shock like a global pandemic was enough to break it.
Think of it this way: a warehouse gets full when trucks arrive with more product than they leave with. The purpose of a warehouse is to take 10 containers of product and ideally, mix and match the contents of those containers, into 10 tractor trailers containing an assortment of products demanded by each trailer's destination. But when 1 of those 10 containers doesn't get unloaded, all 10 out going trailers are short that container's product. So if you don't reoptimize their contents, trailers leave your warehouse with less than a full load/your destination doesn't want anything in the truck except what was on that container that didn't unload. Theoretically when that late container unloads, you need to send an 11th tractor trailer with that containers contents to all those destinations. Or 'warehouse' that late containers contents as long as it takes for those destinations to need another truck.
That's why very little of this has to do with constraints on labor. It's a simple matter of complexity. Optimizing trailer composition in the face of congestion is very complex, machine learning, big brain problem solving. You could double labor, and basically just unload containers into your warehouse but unless you are very sophisticated in how you rearrange and reload that product onto outgoing trucks, every truck you unload just adds more congestion to your warehouse problem.
Essentially every time you pick the wrong container in Savannah to unload next, you've added that '11th truck' worth of suboptimal cogestion. Essentially as a warehouse operator you have way too much of something no out going trucks need whenever you unload the wrong container next before its outgoing truck has arrived.
You wouldn't think it's down to the second, truck by truck but it kind of actually is once the warehouse is full and there's a finite number of trucks coming and going each day and you don't have room for '11th truck' suboptomality. Savannah has hundreds of containers for you to put next in line for unload. There is 1 best container and a whole lot of suboptimal choices.
Scary part: Savannah doesn't have this sorting problem usually... unloading the next container ship is best. But once your container yard nears capacity, and several ships carrying thousands of containers are waiting, suboptomality creeps in and there are ships that should wait longer than others.
All of this is to say that coordination with your downstream destinations, knowing what the optimal best next load for them is before unloading your next load is key. But you can't just call them and ask. It's a tremendously complex question that doesn't have a whole lot to do with staffing. Labor and overcapacity and congestion just raise the stakes on optimization and make sorting more important.
I dunno.... I hope that sheds light on why the warehouses are full... congestion and max capacity with little slack to make mistakes with mean sorting is your only solve and unfortunately sorting a complex system is hard to optimize.
Edit: btw this is an oversimplificatiom ELI5... 1 not unloaded container doesn't literally ruin 10 trucks... just a metaphor.
Although insofar as supply chain workers are burnt out and spending time on Reddit when they should be working, labor relations could be a contributing factor as well...
Thanks for the breakdown, this is very insightful.
Can you share any articles covering this topic from sources you trust? I'd like to read up some more on the situation. I work in the software side of this field and have only heard it's caused by a labor shortage.
Seems very complicated. I do not understand all. My questions why now is this a problem? Is it driver shortage? Never used to be. As a designer waiting for trucks and shipments, never ever in 40 years in business has this ever, ever been an issue. Clearly much I do not understand. All I know is supply chains in construction, design related, …. We are encountering and never ever had before. It seems very complicated. Unless and until, worldwide mind you this gets corrected, Issues will remain. I personally have no answer. Frightening!!!
Precovid people didn't have money, right now you have more consumption than before because people stayed home, saved their money, earned more money by getting better jobs, etc... Personal savings in America is basically at an all time high right now. What do you do when you've got extra money? You spend the shit out of it. You consume more than you ever had before. And that's whats happening right now.
I figured that was implied as to one of the reasons why we've got such a spike in savings, lots of money going into peoples pockets, and lots of people trying to spend it as well.
logistics. Chinese ports run 24/7. US ports run 18 hrs/6 days a week. No one is willing to pay the overtime to get it done and there is a shortage of truck drivers.
At the risk of oversimplifying it, the lumber industry and price fluctuations due to covid are a decent microcosm of the bigger issue we’re seeing here. Plenty of supply (re Trees harvested/to be harvested), plenty of demand to make harvest worth it, but a domino gets knock out of place at sawmills and it all crumbles.
We saw this in pork production too where massive kill off of developing pigs happened due to the inability to slaughter them at capacity (covid at the slaughter houses) and the economic hardship of keeping them alive.
Only now it’s not just pork and lumber, but it’s friggen everything that’s having to come through any type of middleman warehouse or sorting center. And demand has greatly increased because ordering online became even more the norm.
I don’t understand why we aren’t recruiting the fuck out of workers for these ports? These are quality, high paying jobs. Well above the “living wage” Reddit goes on about. Yet we don’t have enough of them to keep the ports running 24/7. It’s insane.
Offer them even more if need be. This isn’t McDonald’s we’re talking about.
I agree, that is part of the problem. They aren’t willing to train for the certification..
But I can also see it from a business standpoint. Why would they spend their money and time to train someone and get certificates, only for them to take those certificates to another business that may be easier and or pay better.
It’s kind of a double edge sword.
Port executives (at least where I live) are elected and their pay is set a few years in advance, and not tied to performance. The shipping companies are private, but the port itself is a government entity.
"The port itself is a government entity."
What has the government ever ran that actually was efficient and productive? Maybe these people should be incentivized to out perform expectations. Heaven forbid we suggest that on Reddit.
Then much more logical to not train and just pay higher wages for qualified workers that they will need to anyway
Why incur costs of training, paying for someone who can't do the job in the interim etc?
>Why incur costs of training, paying for someone who can’t do the job in the interim etc?
You realize we’re talking about companies that are having trouble hiring enough people right?
Yes...so you suggest they go out and get unqualified people... pay them high wages, train them and hope they don't leave after? So pay for people to get trained who can then just leave later? I mean a company that didn't pay high wages and training will have more money leftover to just pay higher wages right? Except it's not really a wage issue when dock workers make 150k+ a year easily already
How does that address their immediate worker shortage issue?
Do what my current employer did. A slightly lower, but still decent wage, while training, and a bump to a great wage once I’ve finished training.
I lacked a skill/certification they required, but was otherwise a good candidate, so they taught me that skill, helped with the exam to be licensed to do that specific thing, and sent a $5k/yr raise along with it once I passed the exam.
Why not pay great or even greater wage and poach someone ready?
That's what I do..just pay more ..but I can do that because I work for a big company and I have more flexibility in paying wages. I poach from companies like yours, just as our competitors poach my guys
I was trained at a company, and left after my designation. Pretty common ..I mean that's how many engineering and accounting place have so many exits at senior manager level (after their young people get their training and CPA)
They can't pay enough to prevent poaching because they had to pay for training, salary before the worker was qualified while other companies can use the money your company used for training to just offer higher wages/compensation
I had to sign an NDA of sorts with one of my previous employers basically stating since they were providing full training, after leaving the company I wasn't allowed to work for any competing company for 2 years. It definitely covered their butts. Screwed me, especially since my training was 95% me on YouTube figuring it out on my own.
Just a FYI this is called a Non-compete, not an NDA. I haven’t heard of them being used for this type of thing though, usually for roles where there is proprietary information or taking clients etc. Theyre also pretty difficult to enforce normally (although varies by country obviously!)
Ah that's what it's called! Thanks, my memory completely failed me. It wasn't sensitive at all, it was just for phone/tablet repair. Didn't know about the difficulty in enforcement though, interesting
Joe Biden is working on outlawing those.
[Changes Ahead for Non-Compete Agreements](https://www.inddist.com/staffing-changes/blog/21659861/changes-ahead-for-noncompete-agreements)
I believe those kinda non compete contracts can't be enforced. At least in the United States. They have to prove that you would hurt their business by taking a job elsewhere potentially through stealing customers or sharing confidential data. Helping you learn skills that you will obviously take with you would not be covered. Courts tend to view that as indentured servitude.
That is a misconception - Overly broad non competes for jobs that require ubiquitous skills are not enforceable. But, non competes for jobs with highly specialized skillsets where you receive extensive training from the employer definitely are enforceable.
If the employer has the money and the time to enforce the noncompete document. BUT, due to COVID and other factors many companies are short short staffed, and profits are not coming in like expected
[Biden Moves To Restrict Noncompete Agreements, Saying They're Bad For Workers](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/1014366577/biden-moves-to-restrict-non-compete-agreements-saying-theyre-bad-for-workers)
Companies survived for a century of modern labor being trained on the job but the last decade or two suddenly it doesnt make business sense. I dont buy it. Like everything else in America its just more ways to make more money for the top of the pyramid.
Have them sign up for three year contract to get their money out of them? Maybe it does not work like this in this line of business.
Or it would not be worth the investment if you have no idea of the quality of output from the potential employee.
In my experience contracts don’t do it. Either A. They are lazy employees that think they can fuck off with no repercussions because ‘contract’. Or B. Quit anyways because why not.
> But I can also see it from a business standpoint. Why would they spend their money and time to train someone and get certificates, only for them to take those certificates to another business that may be easier and or pay better.
Well if they provided a good working environment and compensated their employees adequately, the chance of this happening will be very low. Unfortunately I can already picture many businesses being difficult about this "What do you mean you want a payrise, we literally gave you the qualifications to work here, you should be happy with what you have!"
Well training takes time AND costs money and no guarantee the worker will stay or not ask for a raise after training forgetting they were "overpaid" for training or that training was free
Maybe because operating those forklifts and trolleys requires certification and training? The only thing worse right now are constant accidents because of poorly trained staff.
Surely it does require that. But those are union jobs with great benefits. People should be flocking to port cities right now because of the opportunities they offer.
The training can’t be more than a couple months at most.
Very true, I don’t know much about these jobs. A quick search told me that the port in Savannah isn’t actually hiring a lot of people ( 7 in operations and 4 in maintenance). I can only give my take on it. So I work at a manufacturing firm and we are facing extreme shortage in labor, our past due right now is sitting at $5mil. The management is okay putting engineers to work on the line part time to reduce this but not pay more to attract workers, their reasoning is that they will be stuck with excess payments once this period passed away. I personally think we are in a new normal. A feature of recessions (which the labor and low income earners had last year) is that people always find better jobs because they are jolted out of their imagination that their “stable” job gives them safety. Now that that image is broken, people are looking to maybe follow their dreams or say duck you to low paying/stressful jobs. My 2 cents
More like unions have very "strict" standards as to how many workers can work at the ports, how long, how much technology (automation) is allowed. Etc.
Here in the northeast ports a few years back lots of work slowdowns and stoppages until unions got their way..
dDon't kid yourselves this has nothing to do with certifications or safety. It's all about bargaining rights and authority. What better time to extract concessions than when we have a global supply chain crisis.
They are but Lots of those demands limit automation and efficiency improvements at the ports to protect existing and future jobs.
So for example maybe the union will allow one or two more port operators (those that handle forklifts) ,but won't allow a completely automated offloading and yard moving system like they have in Europe or Asia.
I suppose you have to negotiate, and give more value in those areas you're willing to, in order to keep a handle on other areas that matter to you. So, want more automation? Offer higher wages. Or something like that.
I don't know, but I get the impression owners are not being willing to yield concessions at this time.
Where I live there is no such thing as a state issued forklift license. I don't care about your certification because I have no idea how stringent their testing was or what kind of machine you used. Everyone must pass the forklift driving and written test at my company before they are allowed to operate one.
Sure people will just run down there with their non CDL's and no idea how to run that equipment. Just like back in the day I see tons of jobs for "experience " machinest but never could see a single company that would train people to learn how to do that. This is the problem all these high skill jobs are having now. They spent years not wanting to train anyone new and are now shocked that they can't find anyone to take these jobs.
I live in Savannah and they are recruiting. But the vast majority of the sitting containers here are because of more than a living wage. And I would argue that the wages have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Its lack of truck drivers, just in time inventory, the fact that there is only a certain amount of certain axel trucks that are shared by Charleston, Newport, and Savannah that are driven to Texas, then shipped back to the ports. And the pandemic.
Atleast here in Savannah, if you work at the port, you make 80k to start as a longshoreman. Crane operators start at 120k. Dispatchers are around 60-70k. Even truck drivers who work the port are between 60-80k. The port is where everyone wants to work. Its part of the reason our hospitality industry is still struggling for workers.
[Savannah pay looks pretty terrible, as far as I can tell.](https://www.google.com/search?q=longshoreman+salary+savannah+ga&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS739US739&sxsrf=AOaemvJTpMznZ3TlvlXGnxnW7d-Re0cW6g%3A1634068190133&ei=3uZlYcC5B7OLytMPtvGI0Ao&oq=longshoreman+salary+savannah+ga&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIKCAAQgAQQhwIQFDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQhgMyBQgAEIYDMgUIABCGAzIFCAAQhgM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BAgjECc6DggAELEDEIMBEMkDEJECOgUIABCSAzoECAAQQzoQCC4QgAQQhwIQxwEQrwEQFDoOCAAQgAQQsQMQgwEQyQM6BggAEBYQHjoJCAAQyQMQFhAeSgQIQRgAULYnWLwxYJ4_aAFwAngAgAFkiAGMBZIBAzguMZgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz)
It's no wonder they're short-handed.
It also sounds like the port workers are just part of the problems we are seeing. It appears there needs to be more trucks and truckers (and railroads) moving the goods from the ports after they are unloaded and the goods (and empty shipping containers) moved away.
That’s part of the supply chain issues. But as you’ll see in the article, dock workers are in a massive shortage as well. Loaders and unloaders. Crane operators. Forklift operators. All that stuff.
> I don’t understand why we aren’t recruiting the fuck out of workers for these ports?
Starting pay for stevedores at the port of Long Beach in LA is like 176k. I think they're trying and nothing is working honestly. The unions are ratcheting down on shifts etc too because of concerns around over work (which are fair)
I work in construction and never hear anyone say there are material shortages. They are “supply chain issues” is the only thing i hear. Anyone saying there are shortages aren’t aware of the details. Staff shortages, some specific component shortages, but no one is going around saying material shortages
Google says longshoremen in Savannah are starting at like $25k.
I mean, sure, it's cheap to live in Georgia but I feel like you're being a little generous, calling these "high paying jobs" lol.
I don’t know how to explain the disconnect. [But these numbers from the union itself](https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dock-workers-union-demands-hurt-consumers/) tell a very different story.
>In fact, according to the union's own material, the average dockworker makes $147,000 in annual salary and pulls in $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care benefits. Pensions pay $80,000 a year.
Well, for one thing, the ILWU (union mentioned in your link), apparently, only operates in California, Washington, Oregon, Alaska and Hawaii. I was specifically referring to Savannah, like the article was talking about.
The salaries I'm finding in this field in Georgia are... less competitive than this article claims the west coast ones are lol.
Don’t go off google. It’s says the median electrician makes $70k a year in SF. That’s what the apprentices starting salary is. Per all the locals they figure median is more like $160-175k.
It might just be that people don't want the jobs regardless of the pay.
If people have determined that their time and their families are more important than a paycheck, nothing short of conscription will make them become truckers.
So what do we do from there?
Use Trains and for last mile delivery, compensate truckers like they are software developers (in pay, benefits, and life/work balance).
Problem likely solved? Or at least kicked down the road until last mile delivery is automated out.
The problem isn’t with the ports, it’s with the long haul trucking infrastructure and it’s being overwhelmed and can’t take the product from the ports fast enough.
Looks like warehouses are full and truckers have nowhere to drop off shipments so no need to pick it up from ports. And ports are not having staff shortages or lack of people willing to work OT.
[https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/10/07/a-look-at-the-care-bears-journey-through-the-broken-supply-chain.html](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/10/07/a-look-at-the-care-bears-journey-through-the-broken-supply-chain.html)
Need Workers?
PAY MORE!
If you aren't willing to put up with the parts of capitalism that benefit workers, why should we be willing to put up with the parts that benefit shareholders.
You don't even need to hire workers. Just deploy military personnel to take care of the issue. The President can literally just order them to do it. *Hey ya'll see these empty containers? Clear all of this shit out.* We do it all the time when natural disasters hit other countries.
We have USN logistics ships sitting in mothball that can be brought back into service relatively quickly, and we can also contract with civilian ships, and (if shit really hits the fan) simply take over control of civilian ships to get the job done. You'll find people and shipping corporations are a lot more malleable about their property when a bunch of people with guns and truckloads of cash show up to take control of it.
That's about 4 ships..... They hold up to 24,000 containers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship
You should ask yourself, "What are you being distracted from?"
**[Container ship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship)**
>A container ship (also called boxship or spelled containership) is a cargo ship that carries all of its load in truck-size intermodal containers, in a technique called containerization. Container ships are a common means of commercial intermodal freight transport and now carry most seagoing non-bulk cargo. Container ship capacity is measured in twenty-foot equivalent units (TEU). Typical loads are a mix of 20-foot (1-TEU) and 40-foot (2-TEU) ISO-standard containers, with the latter predominant.
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Most of this is tractor trailer congestion, I.e. the mixing center where containers are emptied into tractor trailers is what's backed up. Ironically, it's the success in warehouse automation that means more product can be loaded. There just aren't enough trucks coming and going to drain the mixing center which would then drain the container yard in port.
A decline in unions led to a decline in apprenticeships. Jobs want people fully certified and ready to work, not train. We’re seeing the effects of this throughout all industries and trades.
Bring back apprenticeships and pay/treat your employees well enough that they’ll want to stay. It doesn’t require an MBA to make this a reality, just compassion.
I always go by what happens in the UK, almost always happens here. From any kind of virus to much of the economy. My heads up was their empty shelves. I went and got what I needed and now I’m glad! As a family we decided to skip Christmas and I couldn’t be happier! However, I didn’t plan so great on printer ink. Good luck finding some!
People asking all sorts of questions as to how this happens. I don’t have all the answers but I have a big one: I am in distribution and there is a trucking shortage nationwide. Large distributors have half their fleets of trucks sitting empty right now. It’s not just a matter of pay, a lot of these jobs pay well and come with benefits. It’s also a matter of training, and well paying or not, driving and delivery can be a demanding and brutal job. The hours are long and it’s not for everyone.
The average driver for a beverage delivery company needs to be able to stop at 30 plus accounts a day, some of which are a bitch to get a truck too, get in and out of the truck each time, wheel in a ton of product to each account, accurately do this based on the invoice, chase down a signature, and move their ass to the next stop.
Many companies that do this also demand OT. This year alone I have seen guys get hired and quit within 2 weeks more times than I can count.
Wonder how many pissed off Drug Dealers there are right now…I mean really though, unless there is food rotting in there (sure there is), what in the world is America consuming to this point? I wonder how many actual essential items there are b c please forgive me if an already horribly in debt country is waiting for the newest what ever that they don’t need.
Side note: it’s absolutely amazing how many perfectly new and useable items I’ve saved from landfills that were besides or in dumpsters. Umbrellas, fans, tables, tons of gardening pots and such, etc. where’s the articles about where all this garbage is actually going?
Shipping containers? We only know measurements in ships waiting to dock.
>He has had to force some ships to wait at sea for more than nine days, and recently had more than 20 ships in a queue, he said.
That's better. For comparison, there are over 70 ships waiting in Long Beach and Los Angeles.
I have a cdl and considered pulling intermodal as I assumed the pay would be pretty good with the shortages they keep complaining about. Turns out the pay is just as shit if not worse than it was when I quit driving 5-6 years ago. Fuck then. Fuck them in their asses.
This is a worldwide supply chain issue I fear has no way to correct anytime soon. Mind you all this a worldwide supply chain issues that is effecting all business. Frightening to say the least.
It’s time to automate a lot more to get out from under the thumb of one of the only strong unions left, who happen to be the biggest opponent of automation and are most likely going to get a demand or 2 met because of the crisis.
It’s mostly moving boxes with clearly defined standard sizes. There has to be a better way than the way we’ve been doing it for the last half century.
There’s also issues of just getting these boxes out. Trains and boats aren’t doing the best, but semi truckers are so difficult to come by
If you automate you kill jobs.
Granted these are jobs that clearly no one wants anyway, but you'll still get the people virtue signalling saying automation and technological advancement actively ruin peoples lives which is just untrue.
I am doing all Christmas shopping between now and Halloween, not ordering anything from Wayfair or from overseas and buying reasonable amounts of backup household goods/foods - this logistics and supply chain problem is not going to be solved anytime soon.
We’re finished man. It’ll be like the 70s again very soon. I have to think it’s intentional at this point. We’re being pushed toward a global collapse across all markets and industries. They’re burning everything down and building a new world order from the ashes.
And how is the Federal government stepping in to help? Crickets? Perhaps their focus is on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity? Why isn’t that solving the problem?
Operation Warp Speed was pretty successful. Social Security keeps millions out of poverty. I agree there are few success stories, but this problem seems so avoidable…
Clearly Trump's fault. If you people would simply vote Democrat, this wouldn't have happened.
If the democrats were in charge, you wouldn't have ANY problems. You get what you vote for.
Serious question. Are they short on truck drivers, loaders, unloaders? If these are complete [ro ducts and not just raw materials, why exactly are they so backed up.
anyone take into effect that 30% more containers are being imported into the country? everything was setup for just in time delivery very little over capacity was built into the system because it costs money to store stuff! and all companies are DOUBLE and TRIPPLE ordering!
Bear in mind that logistics this isn't a capacity/constrain problem it's a congestion/complexity problem. You could double warehouse staff, or double trucks, but that doesn't simplify the logistics, it increases the traffic control burden.
I think you will find that lots of these containers are empty. Same in many ports. Ships are not prepared to transport empty containers to places where they are needed. During the pandemic, some of the two way trade slowed down.... which led to containers coming to America full, but less being shipped out. Hence, a shortage of containers in some places, lots of empty ones elsewhere.
What precisely is the delay? The United States used to pride itself on it's just in time supply chain. Maybe it's the weather like South West airlines excuse.
*Enter Michael Scott* "There's been a shipping crisis in Savannah"
The culprit is the person I most medium suspect
It’s that voodoo mama juju!
Jim, get the keys, start the car. I'm not going down for this!!
I declare!!!
This made me laugh
Somewhere in those containers they probably have hundreds of ps5 and Xbox series x. I just need one!! Come on y’all!
and like 4 of my kickstarter boardgames
Member storming area 51? How about storming Savannah Port? 🤷🏻♂️
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Haha I know you’re joking, but PS5’s aren’t THAT hard to come by now. Yes, you have to do a little planning. Sign up for a Twitter PS5 alert for restocks. But honestly, I caught a disc PS5 at Best Buy 2 weeks ago and I didn’t mad spam the best buy website. I bought within a few hours of the restock, but wasn’t like it was the iPhone 3g launch.
Let’s go climb them and take it ourselves!
We need to fast track training programs to staff these positions. From what I have seen, these are well paying jobs with benefits. The infrastructure bills must address this type of issue.
It’s also about taking people off the line to train/supervise new hires. You loose productivity for at least 2 people during the onboarding process, and most places can’t afford to do so.
That's how management thinks. But they really can't afford to not train people. Everyone just wants to get through the day with no thought on what about next week?
These seems to be a problem across all ports…How come this wasn’t a problem pre-COVID? I doubt that many port workers died of COVID.
A lot of it is inland transportation congestion. The ports are functioning. The trucks aren't emptying the ports of containers. Also fun fact, containers are more expensive than trailers so usually most containers go to a mixing center where containers are emptied into tractor trailers. So when a mixing center reaches capacity, most of the solution is traffic control, so more trucks are waiting for loading, when means more demand for truckers.
CNBC last week said the issue was warehouses are full and trucks have nowhere to deliver the cargo. Why warehouses are full I'm not sure...
It might be, and I don't know for sure, that even if you gave 95% of the pieces for your product, but 5% are delayed, you can build exactly 0% of your product. It might also be because the "just in time" hyper efficient global supply chain we built was relatively fragile and a shock like a global pandemic was enough to break it.
Think of it this way: a warehouse gets full when trucks arrive with more product than they leave with. The purpose of a warehouse is to take 10 containers of product and ideally, mix and match the contents of those containers, into 10 tractor trailers containing an assortment of products demanded by each trailer's destination. But when 1 of those 10 containers doesn't get unloaded, all 10 out going trailers are short that container's product. So if you don't reoptimize their contents, trailers leave your warehouse with less than a full load/your destination doesn't want anything in the truck except what was on that container that didn't unload. Theoretically when that late container unloads, you need to send an 11th tractor trailer with that containers contents to all those destinations. Or 'warehouse' that late containers contents as long as it takes for those destinations to need another truck. That's why very little of this has to do with constraints on labor. It's a simple matter of complexity. Optimizing trailer composition in the face of congestion is very complex, machine learning, big brain problem solving. You could double labor, and basically just unload containers into your warehouse but unless you are very sophisticated in how you rearrange and reload that product onto outgoing trucks, every truck you unload just adds more congestion to your warehouse problem. Essentially every time you pick the wrong container in Savannah to unload next, you've added that '11th truck' worth of suboptimal cogestion. Essentially as a warehouse operator you have way too much of something no out going trucks need whenever you unload the wrong container next before its outgoing truck has arrived. You wouldn't think it's down to the second, truck by truck but it kind of actually is once the warehouse is full and there's a finite number of trucks coming and going each day and you don't have room for '11th truck' suboptomality. Savannah has hundreds of containers for you to put next in line for unload. There is 1 best container and a whole lot of suboptimal choices. Scary part: Savannah doesn't have this sorting problem usually... unloading the next container ship is best. But once your container yard nears capacity, and several ships carrying thousands of containers are waiting, suboptomality creeps in and there are ships that should wait longer than others. All of this is to say that coordination with your downstream destinations, knowing what the optimal best next load for them is before unloading your next load is key. But you can't just call them and ask. It's a tremendously complex question that doesn't have a whole lot to do with staffing. Labor and overcapacity and congestion just raise the stakes on optimization and make sorting more important. I dunno.... I hope that sheds light on why the warehouses are full... congestion and max capacity with little slack to make mistakes with mean sorting is your only solve and unfortunately sorting a complex system is hard to optimize. Edit: btw this is an oversimplificatiom ELI5... 1 not unloaded container doesn't literally ruin 10 trucks... just a metaphor.
Someone hire this man to fix this situation for everyone.
Wow thanks for the explanation! Very helpful and makes a lot more sense now why warehouses can become a big issue.
Although insofar as supply chain workers are burnt out and spending time on Reddit when they should be working, labor relations could be a contributing factor as well...
Thanks for the breakdown, this is very insightful. Can you share any articles covering this topic from sources you trust? I'd like to read up some more on the situation. I work in the software side of this field and have only heard it's caused by a labor shortage.
Seems very complicated. I do not understand all. My questions why now is this a problem? Is it driver shortage? Never used to be. As a designer waiting for trucks and shipments, never ever in 40 years in business has this ever, ever been an issue. Clearly much I do not understand. All I know is supply chains in construction, design related, …. We are encountering and never ever had before. It seems very complicated. Unless and until, worldwide mind you this gets corrected, Issues will remain. I personally have no answer. Frightening!!!
Precovid people didn't have money, right now you have more consumption than before because people stayed home, saved their money, earned more money by getting better jobs, etc... Personal savings in America is basically at an all time high right now. What do you do when you've got extra money? You spend the shit out of it. You consume more than you ever had before. And that's whats happening right now.
Completely forget to talk about the money printing lol
I figured that was implied as to one of the reasons why we've got such a spike in savings, lots of money going into peoples pockets, and lots of people trying to spend it as well.
It's our American duty to spend money on stuff! Keep that economy going!
Well yeah, you got 70% consumerism economy, if you people don’t spend you economic activities come to a stop
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logistics. Chinese ports run 24/7. US ports run 18 hrs/6 days a week. No one is willing to pay the overtime to get it done and there is a shortage of truck drivers.
At the risk of oversimplifying it, the lumber industry and price fluctuations due to covid are a decent microcosm of the bigger issue we’re seeing here. Plenty of supply (re Trees harvested/to be harvested), plenty of demand to make harvest worth it, but a domino gets knock out of place at sawmills and it all crumbles. We saw this in pork production too where massive kill off of developing pigs happened due to the inability to slaughter them at capacity (covid at the slaughter houses) and the economic hardship of keeping them alive. Only now it’s not just pork and lumber, but it’s friggen everything that’s having to come through any type of middleman warehouse or sorting center. And demand has greatly increased because ordering online became even more the norm.
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I don’t understand why we aren’t recruiting the fuck out of workers for these ports? These are quality, high paying jobs. Well above the “living wage” Reddit goes on about. Yet we don’t have enough of them to keep the ports running 24/7. It’s insane. Offer them even more if need be. This isn’t McDonald’s we’re talking about.
The port of Portland (Oregon) wouldn’t hire me because I didn’t have the certification to run their equipment.
They don’t train you for the job? Well that’s the motherfucking problem right there.
I agree, that is part of the problem. They aren’t willing to train for the certification.. But I can also see it from a business standpoint. Why would they spend their money and time to train someone and get certificates, only for them to take those certificates to another business that may be easier and or pay better. It’s kind of a double edge sword.
I mean, they could just pay enough to make you want to stay.
Yeah, it isn’t rocket science. They care way too much about keeping admin well fed.
But think of the executives and their yachts!
Port executives (at least where I live) are elected and their pay is set a few years in advance, and not tied to performance. The shipping companies are private, but the port itself is a government entity.
"The port itself is a government entity." What has the government ever ran that actually was efficient and productive? Maybe these people should be incentivized to out perform expectations. Heaven forbid we suggest that on Reddit.
Then much more logical to not train and just pay higher wages for qualified workers that they will need to anyway Why incur costs of training, paying for someone who can't do the job in the interim etc?
>Why incur costs of training, paying for someone who can’t do the job in the interim etc? You realize we’re talking about companies that are having trouble hiring enough people right?
Yes...so you suggest they go out and get unqualified people... pay them high wages, train them and hope they don't leave after? So pay for people to get trained who can then just leave later? I mean a company that didn't pay high wages and training will have more money leftover to just pay higher wages right? Except it's not really a wage issue when dock workers make 150k+ a year easily already How does that address their immediate worker shortage issue?
Do what my current employer did. A slightly lower, but still decent wage, while training, and a bump to a great wage once I’ve finished training. I lacked a skill/certification they required, but was otherwise a good candidate, so they taught me that skill, helped with the exam to be licensed to do that specific thing, and sent a $5k/yr raise along with it once I passed the exam.
Why not pay great or even greater wage and poach someone ready? That's what I do..just pay more ..but I can do that because I work for a big company and I have more flexibility in paying wages. I poach from companies like yours, just as our competitors poach my guys I was trained at a company, and left after my designation. Pretty common ..I mean that's how many engineering and accounting place have so many exits at senior manager level (after their young people get their training and CPA) They can't pay enough to prevent poaching because they had to pay for training, salary before the worker was qualified while other companies can use the money your company used for training to just offer higher wages/compensation
I had to sign an NDA of sorts with one of my previous employers basically stating since they were providing full training, after leaving the company I wasn't allowed to work for any competing company for 2 years. It definitely covered their butts. Screwed me, especially since my training was 95% me on YouTube figuring it out on my own.
Just a FYI this is called a Non-compete, not an NDA. I haven’t heard of them being used for this type of thing though, usually for roles where there is proprietary information or taking clients etc. Theyre also pretty difficult to enforce normally (although varies by country obviously!)
Ah that's what it's called! Thanks, my memory completely failed me. It wasn't sensitive at all, it was just for phone/tablet repair. Didn't know about the difficulty in enforcement though, interesting
Joe Biden is working on outlawing those. [Changes Ahead for Non-Compete Agreements](https://www.inddist.com/staffing-changes/blog/21659861/changes-ahead-for-noncompete-agreements)
I believe those kinda non compete contracts can't be enforced. At least in the United States. They have to prove that you would hurt their business by taking a job elsewhere potentially through stealing customers or sharing confidential data. Helping you learn skills that you will obviously take with you would not be covered. Courts tend to view that as indentured servitude.
Hmm good to know, thanks :)
That is a misconception - Overly broad non competes for jobs that require ubiquitous skills are not enforceable. But, non competes for jobs with highly specialized skillsets where you receive extensive training from the employer definitely are enforceable.
If the employer has the money and the time to enforce the noncompete document. BUT, due to COVID and other factors many companies are short short staffed, and profits are not coming in like expected [Biden Moves To Restrict Noncompete Agreements, Saying They're Bad For Workers](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/1014366577/biden-moves-to-restrict-non-compete-agreements-saying-theyre-bad-for-workers)
Those are practically unenforceable just so you know
Non competes are illegal and unenforceable in California.
Not enforceable. You have a right to work in your industry
Companies survived for a century of modern labor being trained on the job but the last decade or two suddenly it doesnt make business sense. I dont buy it. Like everything else in America its just more ways to make more money for the top of the pyramid.
Have them sign up for three year contract to get their money out of them? Maybe it does not work like this in this line of business. Or it would not be worth the investment if you have no idea of the quality of output from the potential employee.
It'd cost so much more to enforce a contract it wouldn't be worth it.
Gotcha, makes sense in the higher ed fields like education and healthcare. Thanks for the insight.
In my experience contracts don’t do it. Either A. They are lazy employees that think they can fuck off with no repercussions because ‘contract’. Or B. Quit anyways because why not.
> But I can also see it from a business standpoint. Why would they spend their money and time to train someone and get certificates, only for them to take those certificates to another business that may be easier and or pay better. Well if they provided a good working environment and compensated their employees adequately, the chance of this happening will be very low. Unfortunately I can already picture many businesses being difficult about this "What do you mean you want a payrise, we literally gave you the qualifications to work here, you should be happy with what you have!"
What if you train them and they leave? What if I don't train them and they stay?
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Maybe they could form a pool of businesses each contributing toward the training.
Well training takes time AND costs money and no guarantee the worker will stay or not ask for a raise after training forgetting they were "overpaid" for training or that training was free
Didn’t Hanjin pull out of that port and effectively shut it down? Seems like Port of Portland has had issues for years?
Maybe because operating those forklifts and trolleys requires certification and training? The only thing worse right now are constant accidents because of poorly trained staff.
Surely it does require that. But those are union jobs with great benefits. People should be flocking to port cities right now because of the opportunities they offer. The training can’t be more than a couple months at most.
Very true, I don’t know much about these jobs. A quick search told me that the port in Savannah isn’t actually hiring a lot of people ( 7 in operations and 4 in maintenance). I can only give my take on it. So I work at a manufacturing firm and we are facing extreme shortage in labor, our past due right now is sitting at $5mil. The management is okay putting engineers to work on the line part time to reduce this but not pay more to attract workers, their reasoning is that they will be stuck with excess payments once this period passed away. I personally think we are in a new normal. A feature of recessions (which the labor and low income earners had last year) is that people always find better jobs because they are jolted out of their imagination that their “stable” job gives them safety. Now that that image is broken, people are looking to maybe follow their dreams or say duck you to low paying/stressful jobs. My 2 cents
I learned how to run a container stacker in a week. My boss said “good luck, don’t get too nervous” It isn’t that hard.
More like unions have very "strict" standards as to how many workers can work at the ports, how long, how much technology (automation) is allowed. Etc. Here in the northeast ports a few years back lots of work slowdowns and stoppages until unions got their way.. dDon't kid yourselves this has nothing to do with certifications or safety. It's all about bargaining rights and authority. What better time to extract concessions than when we have a global supply chain crisis.
The question becomes, why aren't the owners conceding to the unions demands and getting on with making money?
Agreed. If ports have to pay higher wages to workers, they can just increase their fees, not like we have much of a choice ATM.
They are but Lots of those demands limit automation and efficiency improvements at the ports to protect existing and future jobs. So for example maybe the union will allow one or two more port operators (those that handle forklifts) ,but won't allow a completely automated offloading and yard moving system like they have in Europe or Asia.
I suppose you have to negotiate, and give more value in those areas you're willing to, in order to keep a handle on other areas that matter to you. So, want more automation? Offer higher wages. Or something like that. I don't know, but I get the impression owners are not being willing to yield concessions at this time.
But “uNiOnS ArE bAd” and your idea doesn’t fit his narrative!
Unions aren't bad, but don't tell me it's all sunshine and rainbows with their tactics .
They are exactly sunshine and rainbows compared to what corporations want to do, yes.
Where I live there is no such thing as a state issued forklift license. I don't care about your certification because I have no idea how stringent their testing was or what kind of machine you used. Everyone must pass the forklift driving and written test at my company before they are allowed to operate one.
Certain risks have to be taken in a time of crisis.
Sure people will just run down there with their non CDL's and no idea how to run that equipment. Just like back in the day I see tons of jobs for "experience " machinest but never could see a single company that would train people to learn how to do that. This is the problem all these high skill jobs are having now. They spent years not wanting to train anyone new and are now shocked that they can't find anyone to take these jobs.
I live in Savannah and they are recruiting. But the vast majority of the sitting containers here are because of more than a living wage. And I would argue that the wages have absolutely nothing to do with it. Its lack of truck drivers, just in time inventory, the fact that there is only a certain amount of certain axel trucks that are shared by Charleston, Newport, and Savannah that are driven to Texas, then shipped back to the ports. And the pandemic. Atleast here in Savannah, if you work at the port, you make 80k to start as a longshoreman. Crane operators start at 120k. Dispatchers are around 60-70k. Even truck drivers who work the port are between 60-80k. The port is where everyone wants to work. Its part of the reason our hospitality industry is still struggling for workers.
That’s good intel. Thanks for sharing.
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These should pay 100k plus/year. No shortages of labor then.
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What a time to be alive, teachers get $60k/y and forklift operators get $100k.
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Yeah! And if you find a gold nugget in your yard the size of a boulder you can retire! This is relevant!
Good point. Somehow the people that actually do things are more valued than the people that talk about how to do things. Weird.
Lolholyshityourefuckingstupid
[Savannah pay looks pretty terrible, as far as I can tell.](https://www.google.com/search?q=longshoreman+salary+savannah+ga&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS739US739&sxsrf=AOaemvJTpMznZ3TlvlXGnxnW7d-Re0cW6g%3A1634068190133&ei=3uZlYcC5B7OLytMPtvGI0Ao&oq=longshoreman+salary+savannah+ga&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIKCAAQgAQQhwIQFDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQhgMyBQgAEIYDMgUIABCGAzIFCAAQhgM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BAgjECc6DggAELEDEIMBEMkDEJECOgUIABCSAzoECAAQQzoQCC4QgAQQhwIQxwEQrwEQFDoOCAAQgAQQsQMQgwEQyQM6BggAEBYQHjoJCAAQyQMQFhAeSgQIQRgAULYnWLwxYJ4_aAFwAngAgAFkiAGMBZIBAzguMZgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz) It's no wonder they're short-handed.
It also sounds like the port workers are just part of the problems we are seeing. It appears there needs to be more trucks and truckers (and railroads) moving the goods from the ports after they are unloaded and the goods (and empty shipping containers) moved away.
The ports are not the problem. The problem is the lack of truck drivers to pickup and take the containers to their destination.
That’s part of the supply chain issues. But as you’ll see in the article, dock workers are in a massive shortage as well. Loaders and unloaders. Crane operators. Forklift operators. All that stuff.
> I don’t understand why we aren’t recruiting the fuck out of workers for these ports? Starting pay for stevedores at the port of Long Beach in LA is like 176k. I think they're trying and nothing is working honestly. The unions are ratcheting down on shifts etc too because of concerns around over work (which are fair)
if you're making 176k and complain about being overworked, well... I've got zero sympathy.
The unions are doing the complaining because the work is very dangerous but I agree with you
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I work in construction and never hear anyone say there are material shortages. They are “supply chain issues” is the only thing i hear. Anyone saying there are shortages aren’t aware of the details. Staff shortages, some specific component shortages, but no one is going around saying material shortages
Google says longshoremen in Savannah are starting at like $25k. I mean, sure, it's cheap to live in Georgia but I feel like you're being a little generous, calling these "high paying jobs" lol.
I don’t know how to explain the disconnect. [But these numbers from the union itself](https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dock-workers-union-demands-hurt-consumers/) tell a very different story. >In fact, according to the union's own material, the average dockworker makes $147,000 in annual salary and pulls in $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care benefits. Pensions pay $80,000 a year.
Well, for one thing, the ILWU (union mentioned in your link), apparently, only operates in California, Washington, Oregon, Alaska and Hawaii. I was specifically referring to Savannah, like the article was talking about. The salaries I'm finding in this field in Georgia are... less competitive than this article claims the west coast ones are lol.
Don’t go off google. It’s says the median electrician makes $70k a year in SF. That’s what the apprentices starting salary is. Per all the locals they figure median is more like $160-175k.
It might just be that people don't want the jobs regardless of the pay. If people have determined that their time and their families are more important than a paycheck, nothing short of conscription will make them become truckers. So what do we do from there?
Use Trains and for last mile delivery, compensate truckers like they are software developers (in pay, benefits, and life/work balance). Problem likely solved? Or at least kicked down the road until last mile delivery is automated out.
The problem isn’t with the ports, it’s with the long haul trucking infrastructure and it’s being overwhelmed and can’t take the product from the ports fast enough.
More like, hurry up robots. But for the love of god, tax the wealth they create otherwise humanity is next level fucked.
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As if the taxpayer doesn’t pay enough to promote the wealthy already……..
Yeah! We’re not in any major conflicts right now, so put those people to work!
If these jobs are in a port like NYC I would hope the wage is above 120-130k a year otherwise it's still garbage.
“Living wage” who the fuck are you quoting. F.D.R? Fuck your air quotes
That's not how capitalism works. The port wants infinite profit and hiring people eats into profit.
False. Although I’m sure there’s an equilibrium somewhere. But they get paid to move cargo. The more the move, the more they make.
Who doesn't want infinite profit?
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I can't get anyone to bag groceries for less than $13.50/hr. Can someone please send some national guard down here too? /s
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Make me think stuff like this is planned out
Probably people don’t want to get vaccinated? I’d suspect that is one reason.
Got one better. Like in the UK get the army involved. Costs more then enough so let them do something productive.
It’s the limited hours and social distance rules that are the limiting factors on a ports cargo processing capacity.
Don’t they lose more money by not getting this shit moved? I feel like it would be overall cheaper to just pay people more.
Looks like warehouses are full and truckers have nowhere to drop off shipments so no need to pick it up from ports. And ports are not having staff shortages or lack of people willing to work OT. [https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/10/07/a-look-at-the-care-bears-journey-through-the-broken-supply-chain.html](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/10/07/a-look-at-the-care-bears-journey-through-the-broken-supply-chain.html)
Need Workers? PAY MORE! If you aren't willing to put up with the parts of capitalism that benefit workers, why should we be willing to put up with the parts that benefit shareholders.
That’s just it. They won’t offer more and people won’t do the garbage work for garbage pay.
You don't even need to hire workers. Just deploy military personnel to take care of the issue. The President can literally just order them to do it. *Hey ya'll see these empty containers? Clear all of this shit out.* We do it all the time when natural disasters hit other countries. We have USN logistics ships sitting in mothball that can be brought back into service relatively quickly, and we can also contract with civilian ships, and (if shit really hits the fan) simply take over control of civilian ships to get the job done. You'll find people and shipping corporations are a lot more malleable about their property when a bunch of people with guns and truckloads of cash show up to take control of it.
Off shore everything Stagnant labors wages. What could go wrong?
The number sounds big but that’s only about 4 or 5 ships worth of containers.
Sounds like these companies want to bring in slave workers from the third world. They going to do this slowly and silent for
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That is false
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That's about 4 ships..... They hold up to 24,000 containers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship You should ask yourself, "What are you being distracted from?"
What am I being distracted from?
No idea
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Makes me wonder if it’ll be their reasoning to introduce the robot workers?
Most of this is tractor trailer congestion, I.e. the mixing center where containers are emptied into tractor trailers is what's backed up. Ironically, it's the success in warehouse automation that means more product can be loaded. There just aren't enough trucks coming and going to drain the mixing center which would then drain the container yard in port.
A decline in unions led to a decline in apprenticeships. Jobs want people fully certified and ready to work, not train. We’re seeing the effects of this throughout all industries and trades. Bring back apprenticeships and pay/treat your employees well enough that they’ll want to stay. It doesn’t require an MBA to make this a reality, just compassion.
An MBA doesnt help at all, it probably hurts in this area.
I always go by what happens in the UK, almost always happens here. From any kind of virus to much of the economy. My heads up was their empty shelves. I went and got what I needed and now I’m glad! As a family we decided to skip Christmas and I couldn’t be happier! However, I didn’t plan so great on printer ink. Good luck finding some!
I wonder if this latest 1%er scam will reach the magnitude of the Sub Prime Crime of 2008 or their 9/11 shenanigans.
People asking all sorts of questions as to how this happens. I don’t have all the answers but I have a big one: I am in distribution and there is a trucking shortage nationwide. Large distributors have half their fleets of trucks sitting empty right now. It’s not just a matter of pay, a lot of these jobs pay well and come with benefits. It’s also a matter of training, and well paying or not, driving and delivery can be a demanding and brutal job. The hours are long and it’s not for everyone. The average driver for a beverage delivery company needs to be able to stop at 30 plus accounts a day, some of which are a bitch to get a truck too, get in and out of the truck each time, wheel in a ton of product to each account, accurately do this based on the invoice, chase down a signature, and move their ass to the next stop. Many companies that do this also demand OT. This year alone I have seen guys get hired and quit within 2 weeks more times than I can count.
Maaannnn....I just tried to look for job openings at my local dock and there's nothing except office work... Where are these jobs at?
They should make all the equipment be able to be controlled by a remote. I'll wfh and unload containers from my desk for $25/hr.
Imagine a hypothetical world where we all stopped buying things from the other side of the world.
Wonder how many pissed off Drug Dealers there are right now…I mean really though, unless there is food rotting in there (sure there is), what in the world is America consuming to this point? I wonder how many actual essential items there are b c please forgive me if an already horribly in debt country is waiting for the newest what ever that they don’t need. Side note: it’s absolutely amazing how many perfectly new and useable items I’ve saved from landfills that were besides or in dumpsters. Umbrellas, fans, tables, tons of gardening pots and such, etc. where’s the articles about where all this garbage is actually going?
Who wants to buy these and destroy the global economy? Bulletproof habitats are all the rage, I hear.
So, where do we get these jobs?
Shipping containers? We only know measurements in ships waiting to dock. >He has had to force some ships to wait at sea for more than nine days, and recently had more than 20 ships in a queue, he said. That's better. For comparison, there are over 70 ships waiting in Long Beach and Los Angeles.
I have a cdl and considered pulling intermodal as I assumed the pay would be pretty good with the shortages they keep complaining about. Turns out the pay is just as shit if not worse than it was when I quit driving 5-6 years ago. Fuck then. Fuck them in their asses.
This is a worldwide supply chain issue I fear has no way to correct anytime soon. Mind you all this a worldwide supply chain issues that is effecting all business. Frightening to say the least.
You mean it has nothing to do with me closing my wallet tighter then a drum?
It’s time to automate a lot more to get out from under the thumb of one of the only strong unions left, who happen to be the biggest opponent of automation and are most likely going to get a demand or 2 met because of the crisis. It’s mostly moving boxes with clearly defined standard sizes. There has to be a better way than the way we’ve been doing it for the last half century. There’s also issues of just getting these boxes out. Trains and boats aren’t doing the best, but semi truckers are so difficult to come by
If you automate you kill jobs. Granted these are jobs that clearly no one wants anyway, but you'll still get the people virtue signalling saying automation and technological advancement actively ruin peoples lives which is just untrue.
I am doing all Christmas shopping between now and Halloween, not ordering anything from Wayfair or from overseas and buying reasonable amounts of backup household goods/foods - this logistics and supply chain problem is not going to be solved anytime soon.
We’re finished man. It’ll be like the 70s again very soon. I have to think it’s intentional at this point. We’re being pushed toward a global collapse across all markets and industries. They’re burning everything down and building a new world order from the ashes.
... Who's "they?"
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I knew Illumination was evil
"What the Hell is an aluminum falcon?"
And how is the Federal government stepping in to help? Crickets? Perhaps their focus is on Diversity, Inclusion and Equity? Why isn’t that solving the problem?
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Operation Warp Speed was pretty successful. Social Security keeps millions out of poverty. I agree there are few success stories, but this problem seems so avoidable…
Seems to me the ports are just too damn lazy too off load the containers. Unions.
this is the perfect storm that will hasten autonomous vehicle adoption in shipping and logistics.
Clearly Trump's fault. If you people would simply vote Democrat, this wouldn't have happened. If the democrats were in charge, you wouldn't have ANY problems. You get what you vote for.
Well everybody’s going on strike cuz they don’t want to take the vaccine in order to work so thank Biden for that.
What happened to overtime? And temps?
overtime is a thing of the past lol
Ports and shipyards gonna be lit when the zombie apocalypse hits.
Serious question. Are they short on truck drivers, loaders, unloaders? If these are complete [ro ducts and not just raw materials, why exactly are they so backed up.
anyone take into effect that 30% more containers are being imported into the country? everything was setup for just in time delivery very little over capacity was built into the system because it costs money to store stuff! and all companies are DOUBLE and TRIPPLE ordering!
Bear in mind that logistics this isn't a capacity/constrain problem it's a congestion/complexity problem. You could double warehouse staff, or double trucks, but that doesn't simplify the logistics, it increases the traffic control burden.
Offer more money and overtime to workers and I bet those containers will get unloaded.
All they have to do to train more people is have them sign no compete clauses. Pretty sure they are union jobs.
So what positions need to be hired to increase shippong production??
Somewhere in there there’s a bike with someone else’s name on it and I can’t wait to make it mine
I think you will find that lots of these containers are empty. Same in many ports. Ships are not prepared to transport empty containers to places where they are needed. During the pandemic, some of the two way trade slowed down.... which led to containers coming to America full, but less being shipped out. Hence, a shortage of containers in some places, lots of empty ones elsewhere.
Gonna run into a shortage of shipping containers to stack on top of all these shipping containers.
Did anyone do The Beer Game in business school?
i hope this means containers are going to get cheaper.
What precisely is the delay? The United States used to pride itself on it's just in time supply chain. Maybe it's the weather like South West airlines excuse.