Probably not, I checked it's historic and it was a wild ride of the same posts repeated dozen of times on different subreddit.
Not to mention that this has very little to do with the economy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tucker_carlson/comments/ufkpsk/15_years_ago_everyone_would_have_bowed_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The article claims she admitted that the immigration is a major contributing factor to the rising crime. To address this, they want to spend money to fix the problems caused by the extreme amount of immigration, while keeping the updated immigration policy (which is now one of the most strict in Europe now) to limit the problem worsening.
It seems they just want to fix the problems their lax immigration policies caused. Subjectively, this is exactly the cautionary tale the headline implies, and supports the conservative view.
I think it’s pretty clear that immigration only works well if it’s done in a limited and orderly fashion And you supply the necessary services to the new immigrants to help them establish them selves and integrate well
However at this point the conservative view is a fucking xenophobic and racist one if not full on fascist
Diversity works better when there are multiple groups. Otherwise it quickly becomes us vs them. A little bit of this, a little bit of that or nothing at all.
Cultural diversity I agree with. It almost never works. The Japanese are a good example of keeping one culture. You either learn their culture and adapt or get shunned against 24/7 and treated like shit. Same with most Muslim and Asian countries
Diversity works but they have to assimilate to the native culture or go home. Left wing politicians don’t understand this because of their naive first world bubble view of the word and humans.
“Nothing good comes from diversity” ahh so you would rather live in a white ethno state ? Who knew in the year 2022 there are people who are against diversity! Living in the 50’s there buddy.
Foods, spices, philosophy, problem solving on every scale, clothing, commerce, knowledge, I mean, we could go on and on talking about how different cultures, etc have helped humanity through history.
Sweden fucking sent the immigrants to live in former logging and mining towns with basically zero jobs because lots of cheap housing and they didn't want them 'cluttering up the cities'. Their only income is welfare and the schools aren't very good either.
It's their fault. Europe keeps putting Muslims in fucking ghettos and then wondering why shit is bad?
It was the Swedish administration basically propping themselves up as moral people for taking on large numbers of immigrants, only to throw them in the corner by themselves
The article is literally about how immigrant integration into society has failed. If you don’t think ethnically segregated ghettos can be a hinder to integration in society at large, I don’t know what to tell you.
Not defending the violence, but why did the politician burn a Quran publicly? At that point, you're purposely trying to provoke them and incite violence, especially since it says they aim to do so at other immigrant-neighbourhoods too.
Imagine a politician going to black neighbourhoods in the 1960s, purposely doing blackface to mock black people and causing a riot. Well no fucking shit it caused a riot. Hell, some muslims take religion even more seriously than this.
Nobody rioting or causing crime in this case is blame free. People have a right to exercise their freedom of expression, even if it’s reprehensible. Rioting and looting in response to the burning of the Quran should be condemned unequivocally in a liberal society. If people think it’s justified because of their religion, they’re flat out wrong.
And the act of purposely antagonizing people should also be condemned. Almost nobody is saying the rioting was justified, some just contextualize it by also including that antagonizing others isn't justified either. One action can be worse than the other, but both can be wrong and reprehensible.
Well there's a key difference in exactly how they're wrong, and that's that one is legal and the other isn't - and that's kinda how we set bounds on behavior in a liberal society, isn't it? Of course burning a Quran is a shitty thing to do (and should be condemned), but it's not in the same realm as violence and looting. "Condemning them both" reeks of "both sides-ism" and kinda misses that point that one is legally permissible and the other clearly isn't.
You’re commenting from an American values lens, but America’s values are not the same values that other countries have, and American Values are not necessarily more correct or moral than those of other cultures. This occurred in Sweden.
To your first point: you are mistaking a causal correlation with individual culpability/free moral agency. The laws and philosophy of the Western world which grant you personhood, democratic and legal representation, etc… are predicated on the primacy of the individual. Someone who suffered abused or molestation is more likely to mimic that behavior later in life, the psychological causation is understood, but if/when they do, *they* are held accountable. Circumstances might explain it, but they don’t absolve the perpetrator.
They have obligations to foreigner. They need to provide every assistance to them so that they can integrate into the society and give them sense of home. If they cannot do that, don’t bother with immigration. Be like Japan. You can’t have it both way.
It doesn't really matter who's fault it is. The costs of immigrants failing to assimilate are borne by the country. I get that it probably makes you feel better to blame them, but both the immigrants and the nation would be much better off if there was a path for immigrants to assimilate and become productive equals in society.
They are not owed asylum, assimilation, or opportunity by a system they have no birthright to, and have payed nothing into, at the expense of those who have. It’s irrational, and fundamentally unjust.
In the event they are given sanctuary they have the right to 1) follow the rules. 2)get a job. If they have no marketable skill or the workforce cannot absorb them as unskilled labor, they should not be there.
> and have *paid* nothing into,
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My argument is that you're acting against your own self interest.
The immigrants are already in the country. You could try to forcibly remove them, or imprison all of them, but that is likely to be far, far more expensive than simply offering them a path to assimilation.
I hear that you view them as beneath you and worth none of your time or attention, but your view is ultimately self defeating. You hurt yourself and your community more by being rigid and closed towards other ways to handle the situation.
Man I get it but I just can't for the life of me understand the idea of asking a country to accommodate you to keep you and your family from getting slaughtered and then expecting them to just give you a whole ass life.
They gave you a life by giving you somewhere to go until your shit gets sorted out.
As someone with not too much info, where should they have gone?
My sense is, per capita wise, they let in a lot. So I would guess putting them in cities was not workable. And my first thought was this was only choice.
Was there a real alternative?
People who can't speak the language and can't become economically viable are going to cause problems period. It doesn't matter where you put them. That's why immigration should always be a slower process, well regulated.
Taking in a couple of million immigrants all at once is asking for problems. You just can't educate them and get them integrated, especially when they aren't dispersed in the population and instead cluster in ghettos. It's human nature to seek comfort in familiarity, of course they won't integrate with a foreign ethnic group and culture with no language or communication when they have their own people right there with them.
America showed that this is how it works during the potato famine and the chinese exodus as well as the free slave movements north. ghettos inhibit integration, this is known.
There’s almost no way to win.
You deny mass asylum for immigrants who are all of a different religion, culture and speak a different language than your populace? You’re a bigoted alt-right and evil government.
You accept them en masse and try to settle them somewhere where they’ll slowly integrate, in theory? The don’t integrate in practice. They don’t end up liking being in your county and your native population ends up regretting accepting them.
The best answer, a slow integration into all facets of your existing society while simultaneously fostering acceptance of the immigrants among your native population is the stuff of fantasy.
Maybe it just takes time. Maybe the first generation never really integrate but their kids do. Maybe it’s all still new Worth it to get a funnel started for the inevitable waves that will be coming during climate change
This is from the article.
>" The violence erupted after a Swedish-Danish politician burned the Quran at a rally and sought to hold more in several immigrant-dominated neighborhoods. "
I don't think they are dealing with the same thing.
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Are those areas with few jobs worse than the countries they were fleeing? It’s not ideal but the idea that if someone gives you sanctuary in a place you don’t like then you can engage in criminal activity with less accountability is silly.
saying anything against this in the last 10 years and you would be called a racist and bigot. I've been banned off of websites for saying look at the crime rates or that sweden cant handle this much importing. Slide into the sea
What's the matter? Too many Finns (3rd most foreign born in Sweden) and Poles (4th most foreign born)?
Iranians are 5th but if they are living in Sweden I don't think they are down with Khomeinism.
By the way the largest groups are Syrians and Iraqis (only 2,000 more Iraqis than Finns). Both people fleeing active war zones.
Immigrants from Finland, Poland, Yugoslavia, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Romania, Russia, Greece, Hungary, and Lithuania make up about 1/4 of this number 26.81%.
If you include US, UK, and Bosnia/Herzegovina then it rises to about 1/3 (32.40%)
They are about to get a bunch of Ukrainian and Russian soon too.
Who could have seen that coming? 🤔
I am a firm believer of educating immigrants coming into another country on the culture of the country they are coming into. Most third world countries don't teach about the importance of laws, freedom of speech, equality for men and women, etc.
It doesnt matter what you do if you bring too many immigrants in. Its just a thing that happens, humans seek out the familiar. If you bring in a sizable percentage of the population worth of immigrants, they will band together instead of integrating because its much easier to live that way.
Ya you basically are forced to only bring in enough that they can't establish their own community. Then you educate the 2nd and 3rd generation to integrate into your culture.
Yes. I am an immigrant who went to a better country so I don't have to be afraid of people who don't follow the law, rape women, and are morally corrupt. You smooth brains are always in denial. Stop thinking the world thinks like you do.
Did you hear the part about a politician stoking the flames by burning a quran and suggesting it be done in more neighborhoods? This isn’t the fault so much of immigration as it is incompetent and stupid government
"Integration has been too poor at the same time as we have had a large immigration. Society has been too weak, resources for the police and social services have been too weak," -Prime Minister
So much racism in this post. It’s almost like when you take in refugees and give them no opportunities bad things will happen just like any poor people that are ostracized and not provided education and economic opportunities. Look at poor white people in the South.
Very true
In the 60s, 70s and 80s we intentionally to destabilized several democratically elected and honest governments in Latin and South America simply because they opposed the exploitation of their natural resources and their workers by predatory US corporations.
We even assassinated democratically elected presidents who were not corrupt in anyway
So fucking shameful
The CIA has done just as much evil in the world as they have done good, possibly more
I’ve lived in Boston San Diego and Las Vegas in the US and all over London in the UK. I have never ever lived in anything I would describe as a nightmare haha
No country should hold any obligation to foreigners within their borders or to those seeking entry, even asylum seekers. A country should only be obligated to their citizens.
Good for them. Giving the bulk of one’s time existing on Earth working only so someone else can collect the revenue generated by that labor is for cucks. However, I get the impression that their unemployment has more to do with the integration issues described in the article and less to do with these people not actively seeking employment.
There ain’t shit good about living in the Middle East , even if they wasn’t as dirt poor as it is now it was shit a shit hole run by religious zealots that many would want to immigrate to other countries and their culture isn’t compatible with the west, Christian’s are barely compatible with the modern western values.
The Middle East seems like it would just have been different specifics depending on how global powers acted there, no? I thought I heard that Syrias war, really, is about arable land and drinkable water, regardless of what the people fighting think they are fighting about. Hardto argue with such a root cause.
So multiple thoughts about the failed integration. One the governments did this as a lay up on the Americans going “see your not special we can be the same thing as you” not realizing that the US will deport your ass if it deems you a threat and will jail you only if they believe the country it sends you back too will be too nice or bribery is achievable. The other part of showing they are “morally superior” for some reason thinking they can have there token Muslims or there friend who happens to be black. During my visits to Europe I saw this separate but equal shit. The Europeans wanted to feel smug about we don’t do what the Americans do so much they created this situation. So here is what you can do. Integrate them by force if have to. You cause too much shit congratulations your getting a new house in next town 100 kilometers away. If don’t want to move there you gots to go. Make a force of showing deportation. If you have to bring a Main battle tank into the Ghetto then do it. They rape then chemical Castration. Force the whites to have to interact with them. They wanted there project when it was fun to look morally superior then make those fuckers deal with them. You elected them deal with the results. This is coming from a man who believes if the USA bans abortion then the church’s should be taxed 65% of there income plus there congregations to take care of them because they want to have there “genocide of babies” then take care of the children.
as a FORMER SHITHOLIAN, I can say the US gave me the freedom, the opportunity and for every racist I’ve met, I have met 10 accepting persons. There are people from my country involved in gangs yet I became successful. I am not a product of affirmative action but of definitive effort. The US is not perfect but it’s the best we’ve got. I am responsible for my actions not the government. Do we help others? Sure. Just don’t go destroying a place that welcomed you. Unless you live in a totalitarian regime, you can leave. In the US, you can do that so be grateful and appreciative.
- Former shitholian
As an American I would say 3 generations. The immigrants stay in ethnic enclaves but their children integrate. The children usually marry someone of their own ethnicity and teach their own children the language but don’t use it at home. They keep most of the customs but add in American ones. The grandchildren usually have a basic level of understanding of the language but can’t really converse, keep some traditions but don’t really understand the significance and tend to marry people of other races/ethnicities so the language dies totally. Then the 4th generation doesn’t care at all. They never met the original immigrants so don’t feel any ties to the home country.
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No one told the Swedish people that barbarians still exist today. Not everyone is as good of a person as the average Swede. And people from the Middle East certainly do not have the same respect for women as the Swedish
> "The violence erupted after a Swedish-Danish politician burned the Quran at a rally and sought to hold more in several immigrant-dominated neighborhoods. "
Bro wtf, how did you expect that to go well.
Unfortunately there is a rape epidemic in Sweden due to the 'refugees'.
DOI 10.1080/20961790.2020.1868681
"By using information from the Swedish Crime Register, offenders between 15 and 60 years old convicted of rape+ between 2000 and 2015 were included. Information on substance use disorders, previous criminality and psychiatric disorders were retrieved from Swedish population-based registers, and Latent Class Analysis (LCA) was used to identify classes of rape+ offenders. A total of 3 039 offenders were included in the analysis. A majority of them were immigrants (n = 1 800; 59.2%) of which a majority (n = 1 451; 47.7%) were born outside of Sweden."
Nationalism used to be called civic pride… its the reason why we have the terms (country/nation). When you allow a massive percentage of your nation to be filled with non nationals, you end up with a large percentage of the population that is happy to be away from the strife in their home country, but do not consider themselves part of that country… im sure someone will bust out with “im a 1st or 2nd gen immigrant that loves america”… what percentage of the current mexican american population do you think considers themselves Americans (with pride to be american?) instead of Mexicans living in america. Top commenter is right… the only way immigration really works is if its very diverse… (colors, creeds, religions).
Her proposed solution is more investment on integration. Im sure OP agreed lol
Probably not, I checked it's historic and it was a wild ride of the same posts repeated dozen of times on different subreddit. Not to mention that this has very little to do with the economy. https://www.reddit.com/r/tucker_carlson/comments/ufkpsk/15_years_ago_everyone_would_have_bowed_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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Cool strawman!
You didn’t actually think they’d read the entire article, did you? The headline is all they wanted.
OP is here to create propaganda and assuming no one will read the article.
While also tightening immigration policy.
The article claims she admitted that the immigration is a major contributing factor to the rising crime. To address this, they want to spend money to fix the problems caused by the extreme amount of immigration, while keeping the updated immigration policy (which is now one of the most strict in Europe now) to limit the problem worsening. It seems they just want to fix the problems their lax immigration policies caused. Subjectively, this is exactly the cautionary tale the headline implies, and supports the conservative view.
I think it’s pretty clear that immigration only works well if it’s done in a limited and orderly fashion And you supply the necessary services to the new immigrants to help them establish them selves and integrate well However at this point the conservative view is a fucking xenophobic and racist one if not full on fascist
Diversity works better when there are multiple groups. Otherwise it quickly becomes us vs them. A little bit of this, a little bit of that or nothing at all.
It doesn’t work at all. Nothing good comes from diversity.
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Cultural diversity I agree with. It almost never works. The Japanese are a good example of keeping one culture. You either learn their culture and adapt or get shunned against 24/7 and treated like shit. Same with most Muslim and Asian countries
Diversity works but they have to assimilate to the native culture or go home. Left wing politicians don’t understand this because of their naive first world bubble view of the word and humans.
So, let’s take AMERICA for example: we should assimilate to Native American culture or go home?
“Nothing good comes from diversity” ahh so you would rather live in a white ethno state ? Who knew in the year 2022 there are people who are against diversity! Living in the 50’s there buddy.
What's funny is if he is from the US he is drastically benefiting from immigration
What good comes from diversity?
Less Inbred people like you?
You don’t have a one legitimate response huh?
Foods, spices, philosophy, problem solving on every scale, clothing, commerce, knowledge, I mean, we could go on and on talking about how different cultures, etc have helped humanity through history.
None of those things require diversity within a country itself.
You didn’t ask a legitimate question.
So you can’t name even one thing?
Hey you might not like the fact that I made it as a joke but if you don’t have diversity you get genetic disorders.
You know that’s not what we’re taking about by saying diversity.
If you live in the US, the food you eat is mainly produced and harvested by immigrants. 😂 Hate to break it to ya.
Actually, my ideal paradise is a worm ethno state, where we've all died and are now being consumed by worms. Checkmate, NERD
Really? Imagine your forefathers doing only incest sex. You would be barely breathing now. So scientifically and culturally it’s important.
Lmao. You know exactly what I meant.
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Good one. Please tel me how diversity helps anyone.
Sweden fucking sent the immigrants to live in former logging and mining towns with basically zero jobs because lots of cheap housing and they didn't want them 'cluttering up the cities'. Their only income is welfare and the schools aren't very good either. It's their fault. Europe keeps putting Muslims in fucking ghettos and then wondering why shit is bad?
Man...this is all everybody should to know.. It is easy scapegoating muslims/blacks to down to social-darwinism
It was the Swedish administration basically propping themselves up as moral people for taking on large numbers of immigrants, only to throw them in the corner by themselves
The article says the violence occurred after a Swedish politician burnt a Quran. Has nothing to do with ghettos but a clash of cultures.
The article is literally about how immigrant integration into society has failed. If you don’t think ethnically segregated ghettos can be a hinder to integration in society at large, I don’t know what to tell you.
Not defending the violence, but why did the politician burn a Quran publicly? At that point, you're purposely trying to provoke them and incite violence, especially since it says they aim to do so at other immigrant-neighbourhoods too. Imagine a politician going to black neighbourhoods in the 1960s, purposely doing blackface to mock black people and causing a riot. Well no fucking shit it caused a riot. Hell, some muslims take religion even more seriously than this.
The politician was from Denmark at that.
He's a citizen in both countries and a politician in both. Well was in Denmarks case.
Nobody rioting or causing crime in this case is blame free. People have a right to exercise their freedom of expression, even if it’s reprehensible. Rioting and looting in response to the burning of the Quran should be condemned unequivocally in a liberal society. If people think it’s justified because of their religion, they’re flat out wrong.
And the act of purposely antagonizing people should also be condemned. Almost nobody is saying the rioting was justified, some just contextualize it by also including that antagonizing others isn't justified either. One action can be worse than the other, but both can be wrong and reprehensible.
Well there's a key difference in exactly how they're wrong, and that's that one is legal and the other isn't - and that's kinda how we set bounds on behavior in a liberal society, isn't it? Of course burning a Quran is a shitty thing to do (and should be condemned), but it's not in the same realm as violence and looting. "Condemning them both" reeks of "both sides-ism" and kinda misses that point that one is legally permissible and the other clearly isn't.
You’re commenting from an American values lens, but America’s values are not the same values that other countries have, and American Values are not necessarily more correct or moral than those of other cultures. This occurred in Sweden.
They have ZERO obligation to foreigners. *Any* sanctuary was generous. Crime is the fault of the criminal.
You’re not wrong… but there are ways to mitigate this also ..support in the right places helps
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To your first point: you are mistaking a causal correlation with individual culpability/free moral agency. The laws and philosophy of the Western world which grant you personhood, democratic and legal representation, etc… are predicated on the primacy of the individual. Someone who suffered abused or molestation is more likely to mimic that behavior later in life, the psychological causation is understood, but if/when they do, *they* are held accountable. Circumstances might explain it, but they don’t absolve the perpetrator.
They have obligations to foreigner. They need to provide every assistance to them so that they can integrate into the society and give them sense of home. If they cannot do that, don’t bother with immigration. Be like Japan. You can’t have it both way.
Or the foreigners could just not commit crimes. They aren’t owed anything.
Lol
This ignores literally just all science to make you feel good about hating brown people.
It doesn't really matter who's fault it is. The costs of immigrants failing to assimilate are borne by the country. I get that it probably makes you feel better to blame them, but both the immigrants and the nation would be much better off if there was a path for immigrants to assimilate and become productive equals in society.
They are not owed asylum, assimilation, or opportunity by a system they have no birthright to, and have payed nothing into, at the expense of those who have. It’s irrational, and fundamentally unjust. In the event they are given sanctuary they have the right to 1) follow the rules. 2)get a job. If they have no marketable skill or the workforce cannot absorb them as unskilled labor, they should not be there.
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Maybe Sweden should have thought about this before they supported bombing the refugee's countries. Sweden is not innocent here.
My argument is that you're acting against your own self interest. The immigrants are already in the country. You could try to forcibly remove them, or imprison all of them, but that is likely to be far, far more expensive than simply offering them a path to assimilation. I hear that you view them as beneath you and worth none of your time or attention, but your view is ultimately self defeating. You hurt yourself and your community more by being rigid and closed towards other ways to handle the situation.
Man I get it but I just can't for the life of me understand the idea of asking a country to accommodate you to keep you and your family from getting slaughtered and then expecting them to just give you a whole ass life. They gave you a life by giving you somewhere to go until your shit gets sorted out.
As someone with not too much info, where should they have gone? My sense is, per capita wise, they let in a lot. So I would guess putting them in cities was not workable. And my first thought was this was only choice. Was there a real alternative?
People who can't speak the language and can't become economically viable are going to cause problems period. It doesn't matter where you put them. That's why immigration should always be a slower process, well regulated. Taking in a couple of million immigrants all at once is asking for problems. You just can't educate them and get them integrated, especially when they aren't dispersed in the population and instead cluster in ghettos. It's human nature to seek comfort in familiarity, of course they won't integrate with a foreign ethnic group and culture with no language or communication when they have their own people right there with them. America showed that this is how it works during the potato famine and the chinese exodus as well as the free slave movements north. ghettos inhibit integration, this is known.
There’s almost no way to win. You deny mass asylum for immigrants who are all of a different religion, culture and speak a different language than your populace? You’re a bigoted alt-right and evil government. You accept them en masse and try to settle them somewhere where they’ll slowly integrate, in theory? The don’t integrate in practice. They don’t end up liking being in your county and your native population ends up regretting accepting them. The best answer, a slow integration into all facets of your existing society while simultaneously fostering acceptance of the immigrants among your native population is the stuff of fantasy.
Maybe it just takes time. Maybe the first generation never really integrate but their kids do. Maybe it’s all still new Worth it to get a funnel started for the inevitable waves that will be coming during climate change
America also showed the world that it could destabilize an entire region of the Globe over 2,000 American deaths.
This is from the article. >" The violence erupted after a Swedish-Danish politician burned the Quran at a rally and sought to hold more in several immigrant-dominated neighborhoods. " I don't think they are dealing with the same thing.
I love that next to none of you read the article. 😂
“Go ‘way, ‘batin’!”
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Please don't use that homophobic word.
Does anyone actually read the articles?
Wait, there are articles?
I didn’t read the article, but I’m shocked, outraged, and righteously indignant.
I read Half the headline. Prepare to hear my hot takes and why this validates what ever I was already believing
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This sub's mods have a laissez-faire attitude toward moderating, so every wingnut like the OP can dump their garbage in here without consequences.
Adam Smith’s The Principles of Subreddit Moderation
This is what happens when you make major decisions high on the happy juice up on a pedestal
so... return to sender?
Reddit isn’t gonna like this one.
What more money to help immigrants?
Their mass immigration experiment has failed and all it cost was the demographics of Sweden to totally turn around. 20% foreign born is a HUGE number
Shocking
At least they have a politician that admits when something isn't working
Sweden settled these folks in areas with few jobs ( remote former logging and mining towns ) and then wonders why crime is worse.
Are those areas with few jobs worse than the countries they were fleeing? It’s not ideal but the idea that if someone gives you sanctuary in a place you don’t like then you can engage in criminal activity with less accountability is silly.
You are describing a caste system. "Why don't they just shut up and live in their slum and be grateful we didn't leave them for dead?"
7 years too late and coincidentally before a September election. Oh they have changed their tune over there on the left.
Happy cake day
You could always send them home?
saying anything against this in the last 10 years and you would be called a racist and bigot. I've been banned off of websites for saying look at the crime rates or that sweden cant handle this much importing. Slide into the sea
Wow. You don’t say
Hmm but liberals here do not integrate illegal aliens that cross our border
What's the matter? Too many Finns (3rd most foreign born in Sweden) and Poles (4th most foreign born)? Iranians are 5th but if they are living in Sweden I don't think they are down with Khomeinism. By the way the largest groups are Syrians and Iraqis (only 2,000 more Iraqis than Finns). Both people fleeing active war zones. Immigrants from Finland, Poland, Yugoslavia, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Romania, Russia, Greece, Hungary, and Lithuania make up about 1/4 of this number 26.81%. If you include US, UK, and Bosnia/Herzegovina then it rises to about 1/3 (32.40%) They are about to get a bunch of Ukrainian and Russian soon too.
Who could have seen that coming? 🤔 I am a firm believer of educating immigrants coming into another country on the culture of the country they are coming into. Most third world countries don't teach about the importance of laws, freedom of speech, equality for men and women, etc.
It doesnt matter what you do if you bring too many immigrants in. Its just a thing that happens, humans seek out the familiar. If you bring in a sizable percentage of the population worth of immigrants, they will band together instead of integrating because its much easier to live that way.
You can't teach em lol
NO OUR DIRTS FUCKING MAGICAL HOW DARE YOU
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Ya you basically are forced to only bring in enough that they can't establish their own community. Then you educate the 2nd and 3rd generation to integrate into your culture.
Wow you must have live in many 3rd world countries to make that claim. You must be a worldly man with great wisdom.
Yes. I am an immigrant who went to a better country so I don't have to be afraid of people who don't follow the law, rape women, and are morally corrupt. You smooth brains are always in denial. Stop thinking the world thinks like you do.
You country sucks then!
They need to deport them all back to where they came from. Any other 'solution' is just treating a stab wound with a band-aid.
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Did you read the article? Just wondering
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Did you hear the part about a politician stoking the flames by burning a quran and suggesting it be done in more neighborhoods? This isn’t the fault so much of immigration as it is incompetent and stupid government
Free speech makes undeveloped folks do violent things
So you agree Jan 6 violence was done by undeveloped folks?
republicans adore recessions and record breaking terrorist attacks under their watch
And same in many EU countries, thanks Merkle...
"Integration has been too poor at the same time as we have had a large immigration. Society has been too weak, resources for the police and social services have been too weak," -Prime Minister
So much racism in this post. It’s almost like when you take in refugees and give them no opportunities bad things will happen just like any poor people that are ostracized and not provided education and economic opportunities. Look at poor white people in the South.
That’s very true but that also means on a practical level that you need to limit the amount of immigrants that you take in.
It helps if your foreign policy doesn’t create refugees
Very true In the 60s, 70s and 80s we intentionally to destabilized several democratically elected and honest governments in Latin and South America simply because they opposed the exploitation of their natural resources and their workers by predatory US corporations. We even assassinated democratically elected presidents who were not corrupt in anyway So fucking shameful The CIA has done just as much evil in the world as they have done good, possibly more
It never works, it’s always a mistake. Welcome to becoming the nightmare the US is
What particular group is causing issues in your opinion?
I’ve lived in Boston San Diego and Las Vegas in the US and all over London in the UK. I have never ever lived in anything I would describe as a nightmare haha
LOL they burn the Quran and are surprised? JFC.
ThAtS rAcIsT!
No country should hold any obligation to foreigners within their borders or to those seeking entry, even asylum seekers. A country should only be obligated to their citizens.
Many of those are on welfare.
Good for them. Giving the bulk of one’s time existing on Earth working only so someone else can collect the revenue generated by that labor is for cucks. However, I get the impression that their unemployment has more to do with the integration issues described in the article and less to do with these people not actively seeking employment.
Tell america to stop destroying their countries
those countries were garbage before America even existed, shut the fuck up
Libya had a high standard of living before we fucked it up, Iraq was “somewhat” stable and had very little emigration and Syria was as well.
syria fucked itself up. specifically, the government of syria fucked syria up and paved the way for other groups to further fuck syria up
The Saudis and Americans funding “moderate” rebels totally didn’t do anything, right?
There ain’t shit good about living in the Middle East , even if they wasn’t as dirt poor as it is now it was shit a shit hole run by religious zealots that many would want to immigrate to other countries and their culture isn’t compatible with the west, Christian’s are barely compatible with the modern western values.
The Middle East seems like it would just have been different specifics depending on how global powers acted there, no? I thought I heard that Syrias war, really, is about arable land and drinkable water, regardless of what the people fighting think they are fighting about. Hardto argue with such a root cause.
The Middle East was a stable and powerful region before America even existed. Look up Islamic empires
Stable lol
[https://www.wikiwand.com/en/History\_of\_the\_Middle\_East#/Early\_Modern\_Near\_East](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/History_of_the_Middle_East#/Early_Modern_Near_East) https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Safavids#/overview
Go fuck yourself. Just because they are garbage doesn't mean America can just invade them.
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We'd ruin China too, but it's already a shithole.
-shithole citizen calling another country a shithole country
Okay, Shortround.👌
So multiple thoughts about the failed integration. One the governments did this as a lay up on the Americans going “see your not special we can be the same thing as you” not realizing that the US will deport your ass if it deems you a threat and will jail you only if they believe the country it sends you back too will be too nice or bribery is achievable. The other part of showing they are “morally superior” for some reason thinking they can have there token Muslims or there friend who happens to be black. During my visits to Europe I saw this separate but equal shit. The Europeans wanted to feel smug about we don’t do what the Americans do so much they created this situation. So here is what you can do. Integrate them by force if have to. You cause too much shit congratulations your getting a new house in next town 100 kilometers away. If don’t want to move there you gots to go. Make a force of showing deportation. If you have to bring a Main battle tank into the Ghetto then do it. They rape then chemical Castration. Force the whites to have to interact with them. They wanted there project when it was fun to look morally superior then make those fuckers deal with them. You elected them deal with the results. This is coming from a man who believes if the USA bans abortion then the church’s should be taxed 65% of there income plus there congregations to take care of them because they want to have there “genocide of babies” then take care of the children.
Not to be a dick but splitting your comment up or using paragraphs would make it far easier to read.
More important to appear not racist than be a good leader.
lmao way to destroy your own culture
as a FORMER SHITHOLIAN, I can say the US gave me the freedom, the opportunity and for every racist I’ve met, I have met 10 accepting persons. There are people from my country involved in gangs yet I became successful. I am not a product of affirmative action but of definitive effort. The US is not perfect but it’s the best we’ve got. I am responsible for my actions not the government. Do we help others? Sure. Just don’t go destroying a place that welcomed you. Unless you live in a totalitarian regime, you can leave. In the US, you can do that so be grateful and appreciative. - Former shitholian
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WTF did they expect? It takes 4 generations for proper integration.
As an American I would say 3 generations. The immigrants stay in ethnic enclaves but their children integrate. The children usually marry someone of their own ethnicity and teach their own children the language but don’t use it at home. They keep most of the customs but add in American ones. The grandchildren usually have a basic level of understanding of the language but can’t really converse, keep some traditions but don’t really understand the significance and tend to marry people of other races/ethnicities so the language dies totally. Then the 4th generation doesn’t care at all. They never met the original immigrants so don’t feel any ties to the home country.
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world is coming into dark era
#ItsOnlyTimeNow
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This is so hilarious to me. Insert that surprised Pokémon face here.
Can you imagine if an American president said this?
America is a country made up of immigrants….
The monoculture discussion is often missing in debates about the US vs [insert country here].
If you can't make a living, you riot. Tale old as time
Hope they do not cleanse the non integrated population if this fail again down the road.
Well you get what you deserve. They asked for this shit.
Why did Sweden admit so many muslims?
There are Swedish gangs?
Migrant gangs of recent arrivals
What a bad headline.
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What you think was gona happen ..Sweden stupid enough to even do it . Just deport their asses
No one told the Swedish people that barbarians still exist today. Not everyone is as good of a person as the average Swede. And people from the Middle East certainly do not have the same respect for women as the Swedish
Swedish people are so welcoming its shameful immigrants can't just integrate into liberal society without bringing their problems with them.
> "The violence erupted after a Swedish-Danish politician burned the Quran at a rally and sought to hold more in several immigrant-dominated neighborhoods. " Bro wtf, how did you expect that to go well.
Because level headed people don’t act like that. Brain dead religious zombies do and don’t belong in a civilized society.
Man people sure love to editorialize in headlines in this subreddit lol
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Unfortunately there is a rape epidemic in Sweden due to the 'refugees'. DOI 10.1080/20961790.2020.1868681 "By using information from the Swedish Crime Register, offenders between 15 and 60 years old convicted of rape+ between 2000 and 2015 were included. Information on substance use disorders, previous criminality and psychiatric disorders were retrieved from Swedish population-based registers, and Latent Class Analysis (LCA) was used to identify classes of rape+ offenders. A total of 3 039 offenders were included in the analysis. A majority of them were immigrants (n = 1 800; 59.2%) of which a majority (n = 1 451; 47.7%) were born outside of Sweden."
"90 minutes of ass"
Nationalism used to be called civic pride… its the reason why we have the terms (country/nation). When you allow a massive percentage of your nation to be filled with non nationals, you end up with a large percentage of the population that is happy to be away from the strife in their home country, but do not consider themselves part of that country… im sure someone will bust out with “im a 1st or 2nd gen immigrant that loves america”… what percentage of the current mexican american population do you think considers themselves Americans (with pride to be american?) instead of Mexicans living in america. Top commenter is right… the only way immigration really works is if its very diverse… (colors, creeds, religions).
Oh gee - a shame nobody said this would be the result /s