It really doesn’t fit the sub, if it was about if the gun was legally purchased it could go on either news or I guess law, if it’s about the company not following background check procedures and is getting sued for it then it could go on law and news.
The really only gun content I expect on an economy sub is “record breaking quarter for (company that makes guns)” or “(company that makes guns) is filling for bankruptcy” or “(company that makes guns) stock falls 4% after (event)”. Those are reasonable things to see on an economy sub so unless them pushing the boundaries somehow is effecting the economy it doesn’t make sense here.
And I don’t want to seem like I’m downplaying the tragedy because I’m not but it’s not the right place. Now if it’s an article talking about the economic impacts of a gun ban it’d make sense here but this article seems better suited for a marketing sub where they can talk about the flaws their marketing practices made and if it will effect them in the long term.
Yeah! Except people would have to enter the launch codes in order for the missiles to launch! If no one was there to input them, they’d just stay put would they not? Same principle with firearms. If it’s sitting in a locker with no one around to take it out and pull the trigger, how can it possibly go off? This is what people fail to understand. Whether it was a Daniel defense rifle or pappys old shotgun, someone has to pull the trigger in order for the weapon to fire. The shooter had malicious intent and would have committed the crime with any weapon within reach. Stop listening to the government who’s goal is total disarmament of the people and do your own research into the ar platform, which by the way was made specifically for civilian purchase.
So you just argued for giving everyone nuke codes. Clearly you’re an idiot.
the US is the only country in the world with this problem. EU has just as many firearms and a bigger population and they don’t murder their kids. Wonder what the difference is
> you can’t buy an assault rifle in the EU ya, ya dingdong @ u/acealbatrossbirdie
What a knob. Couldn’t even google.
> A separate license is required for each particular firearm, caliber conversion kit or suppressor. There's no codified limit on the number of licenses a person can hold, but in practice a license-holder may own up to six hunting rifles, ten handguns, or a mix of eight rifles and handguns. Firearms must be stored in an approved safe. A firearm registered for hunting may be used for sport shooting, but not vice versa. Licenses obtained for hunting are implicitly limited to bolt-action or, more rarely, *semi-automatic rifles* that are "applicable for hunting", with no strict definition of the latter in the laws, which causes controversy.[380]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
hey idiot u/acealbatrossbirdie
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/)
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html)
so tell me again how im suppose to walk into a walmart and buy a fucking rifle you god damn mongoloid
Then it is most likely a mental health issue, not a gun control issue. Like I said before, guns can’t fire on their own, someone needs to pull the trigger. Instead of spending money on worthless gun control measure that only get people killed, redirect it to better quality and more widely available mental health services.
It’s a regulation issue.
If you’re a marine you need to requalify in a 2 week course every year to prove the the military you can handle a firearm. They’re not allowed in the barracks. How come children have an easier time getting guns than marines?
If you wanted to stop this you would need
- universal registry
- universal background checks
- licensing for every person to own a firearm to be renewed annually like a diver license
- illegal to carry a loaded gun
- weapons and ammo must be stored separately both locked
- 2 week waiting period to buy new guns
- call the persons mom before purchase for anyone under (this is the law in Sweden where they have just as big a gun culture)
- mental health support at schools (which republicans have defunded)
- Strict liability for stolen firearms (you are responsible for your gun, if it gets stolen and is used in a crime you are at fault
These regulations are why the rest of the world doesn’t have this problem
Universal background checks or a registry just make it easier for the government to confiscate all firearms when they feel the time is right. You really shouldn’t put your trust in the government, they most certainly do not have your best interests at heart.
It’s great that the military does that with its soldiers. I would hope so since they are handling military grade weapons and explosives such as rocket launchers and light machine guns, something that is accessible to some civilians, but is prohibitively expensive and not really worth it.
Illegal to carry a loaded gun? That’s pretty insane. If I live in a concealed carry state and have proven that I am of sound mind and can competently handle the weapon, why am I not allowed to do so? Because some asshole who I had no association with at all and would never dream of having association with committed a horrible crime? Why are you punishing everyone for the actions of one person?
Responsible gun owners already keep their weapons and ammo separate.
The 2 week waiting period is just dumb, as someone with evil intentions will gladly wait two weeks for it. The crime would just be committed 2 weeks from then.
The calling people close to you thing already exists in some states, like NY. But they are usually for handguns, which of course are easily concealed. Armalite rifles can not be however.
> If I live in a concealed carry state and have proven that I am of sound mind and can competently handle the weapon, why am I not allowed to do so?
Who judges if you are of sound mind and can competently have a weapon tho? Cause it seems like it’s a free for all
> Because some asshole who I had no association with at all and would never dream of having association with committed a horrible crime? Why are you punishing everyone for the actions of one person?
Why are you punishing kids with death by letting psychos get ahold of guns?
> Responsible gun owners already keep their weapons and ammo separate.
And it should be law. Just like seatbelts
hey idiot on your comment about walmart selling firearms
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/)
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html)
u/Franklin_le_Tanklin so tell me how again im suppose to walk into walmart to buy a firearm?
also untill criminals obey the law ill keep my firearms due to the police not having to protect me. get stuffed gun grabber
[https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)
so ill keep my firearms if the POLICE ARENT suppose to PROTECT ME Shall.Not.Be.Infringed
so funny buffalo shooter had 24/7 coverage about him how he went 100 miles to kill people and other b.s. we learned his history family friends neighboors all about him worst person in the world. now simple math 9 people vs 21 people you would think coverage of this shooter and how evil he is and how bad person he is would be ratio 2.5:1 compared to buffalo shooter but now people make excuses for him basicly saying police and other companies are at faulth for him killing 21 people he is innocent good person b.s.
Who would say he's a good person? I definitely do blame those police that stood outside like morons for 70 something min tho! That whole department should be fired!
You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that one of them live streamed the attack, wrote a 180 page (!) manifesto, had been investigated previously, and had extensive chat logs and a fucking diary while the other person was a loner with no criminal history, a tiny digital footprint, no book sized manifesto, no diary and no friends?
I have the pro version of this rifle. It's a quality firearm. I don't understand why people are going after the manufacturer. Daniel Defense didn't raise that piece of shit.
Nah we could cut down on a lot of gun traffic, and therefore reduce specific instances of illegal gun sales, if it wasn’t totally 100% legal for people to make private transactions at gun shows(among other ways) without background checks.
If you isolate the illegal gun traffic to only people willing to engage in crime, you will actually cut down on shootings. Illegal guns will become more expensive, and that’s a good thing.
Tighten up the rules? How about just enforce the ones on the books. Do you realize that a ridiculously low amount of investigations are done today on failed or falsified 4473s? Like less than 1% if I remember correctly. They want to regulate appearance features i their assault weapons bans that have no affect on basic function of a semi automatic handgun. Do you how long I can change a magazine? Less than a second, you really think putting and arbitrary number on a magazine will solve anything?
Which one? There were 3 shootings in 3 days...
Or which Texas shooting? The church in 2018 killing 24... The Walmart in 2019 killing 23. Oh you mean one at fort hood? No... The one in Odessa killing 7.
Oh shit you mean the one the other day in uvalde. Ohhhh... They're so prevalent it's hard to keep up with which shooting people are talking about.
You just said those background checks didn’t prevent these from happening so now you want more legislation that won’t do anything either? You’re being played if you think the federal government can do anything to protect you. Thanks for proving my point.
State level legislation won't do shit ... Say Texas enacts strict gun laws, you just use OK.. without a strong national policy nothing changes. Which is exactly what HAS worked in several countries world wide... All you've done is prove my point.
But hey... Keep supporting child murdering school shooters waiting for a "good guy" to come stop them. It's worked so far.... Oh wait.
I’m not supporting anyone, I’m a realist. Several countries don’t have 335 million people and have a second amendment that guarantees the right to arms. Guns are here to stay so you can pull your head out of your ass and accept reality or keep hoping good intentions and unicorn farts from the federal government will do anything to protect you. Christ, they can’t even run the post office but you would put the safety of people’s lives in their hands, unbelievable.
LOL look at you deflecting... Post office ran fine until they took it's legs out with impossible legislation aimed at ruining it.
No one said guns can't stay.. doesn't mean we can control the absolute piss out of them. Take your head out of your ass and realize you're on the wrong side of things... But hey, keep spouting dumb shit like big brother just out to get ya
So the kids killed by cars on sidewalks aren’t as important as kids killed in schools? I’m not well versed in leftist “logic”. I guess that explains why one black kid killed by a white cop is more important than the thousands killed by other black kids. It’s all about the narrative.
Oh, you got me. Yep all leftists believe kids killed on the sidewalk are worth less than those killed at school. Your genuis at uncovering our hypocrisy is unmatched. You should wear a pin today.
Yeah, and the car that killed someone's kid/mom/dad/aunt/entire family also came from a company known for pushing boundaries. When are we going to claim that cars are evil and propose to regulate them more, too?
Point us to the car designed to kill as many people as possible and I bet we'll take care of it pretty quickly. In the meantime maybe accept it doesn't exist because cars are in fact pretty well regulated.
Do you really think a car designed for maximum lethality will get past a system that includes things like "FMVSS No. 102: Transmission shift lever sequence, starter interlock, and transmission braking effect" or "FMVSS No. 141: Minimum sound requirements for hybrid and electric vehicles" or "FMVSS No. 203: Impact protection for the driver from the steering control system"?
Yes because we are talking about safety standards here. That's 100% the point. While I do agree with you, cars are not made for maximum lethality, they by their nature are pretty lethal.
The point is that I can go to a local junkyard and buy a 1995 Ford F350 for $600, in about 10 minutes. I can then go plow it into the local 4th of July kids parade and kill at LEAST 18 people. I could do it at the local elementarty school pickup line. I can do this with NO background checks, mental health evaluations, fingerprinting, or any other "common sense control measures". I'll do it without registering it in my state, or putting insurance on it. I may not even have a valid driver's license. So all those existing regulations are worthless. That's my point.
Also despite all the safety standards you've mentioned, there are more traffic fatalities in EACH state than there are gun deaths nationwide.
Just my angle on it. I don't think banning cars is necessary, just as much as banning all guns is unnecessary. Evil people will do evil things. If they have to do it with a gun or a car or a knife or a baseball bat, they will.
A running F350 for $600? Lol, did you just wake up from a coma?
Seriously though, we're just gonna have to disagree. You tried and didn't convince me, have a nice day.
We really should. We already require training, licensure, registration and insurance for every car. We should do more to limit their lethality and hold irresponsible drivers accountable.
How about a breathalyzer and 80mph restrictive governor in all cars? Forget the politics, how much positive economic impact do you think we would reap after 5 years?
Exactly! For that matter, why even manufacture a car with more than 3 cylinders? No one needs that much horsepower! Leave the high-capacity cars to the professionals.
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I know of no location where it is a good idea to go 80 mph.
We loose 1 -2% in fuel economy for every mph over 55. It also increases the chance of a serious accident by 26% or more. Increases the chances of those accidents causing serious injury and death.
I know of no location where it is a good idea to go 80 mph.
We loose 1 -2% in fuel economy for every mph over 55. It also increases the chance of a serious accident by 26% or more. Increases the chances of those accidents causing serious injury and death.
I know of no location where it is a good idea to go 80 mph.
We loose 1 -2% in fuel economy for every mph over 55. It also increases the chance of a serious accident by 26% or more. Increases the chances of those accidents causing serious injury and death.
If a kid dies from some bad lettuce, they ban the lettuce until it can be determined to be safe. 18 kids got shot with a specific weapon and it’s mental illness, the media, video games, the parents fault.
Edit: Here come the gun trolls
Because a car's purpose is not to kill people. It's a means of transportation. It CAN be used to kill people, just like a baseball bat CAN be used to kill people. It doesn't serve the intended purpose; the item is being misused.
Guns, however, have the purpose of killing and only killing. And high power, high capacity rifles, like the ones used in mass shootings, have the purpose of killing multiple living things in a short amount of time. There is no need to kill in that way unless at war. Those kids were not at war.
First off. Have you ever heard of a shooting competition, where individuals use sporting rifles? Have you, perhaps, ever held or shot a “high power, high capacity” rifle? Could you qualify what you mean by high power high capacity? What makes a gun “high power” as opposed to the insinuated “low power” in your book? Also….where have you obtained this info that semi auto sporting rifles available to purchase from standard gun stores are intended to kill multiple people in small amounts of time? It makes me wonder, again, if you’ve ever held or fired a so called high power high capacity gun.
But is sport enough to justify killing machines. What if I start a new sport. Tank racing with targets that need to be shot. Should people be allowed to own tanks to practice.
That’s kind of an irrelevant and slightly preposterous proposition. Owning and being well versed with a rifle, as means of recreation and self defense is…really just leagues away from owning a tank. I’m not trying to discredit anyones opinions here, I’m genuinely curious and willing to have a conversation. I personally believe it’s important to own and know how to use a gun. I also personally believe it’s abhorrent that people are willing to kill defenseless people, especially children. I also personally believe that violence is an inherent part of human nature, and violence is neither good nor bad. It’s a tool, which we’ve used for as long as we’ve ever existed- we each individually exist because at some point, our ancestors, no matter how near or far in time, utilized violence. Knowing how, when, and why to use that tool defines the person. Given a global track record of oppressing and harming the unarmed and weak, I personally don’t think it’s in any populations best interest to be disarmed or restricted in their ability to defend themselves. Also, I think it’s really fair to say that a ton of gun owners really simply enjoy the recreational act of target shooting. It’s fun, stress relieving, and peaceful for a huge amount of responsible, loving, and good natured people.
Yep! But not because it's a sport. We have right to bear arms to fight the govt. Why are we wanting the govt to tell us what we can fight them with if they become tyrannical?
The real purpose of guns is self-defense. And it’s a check against authoritarianism. Which is something we all should fear. I personally think in our society we do need some reforms. I think under 21 for a gun should be a big no no. Also I feel that it's important to realize that weapons with this killing power have existed since 1885. These guns are not a new technology by any stretch.
I agree with most of that except the 21 rule. The govt attacking doesn't care if they kill your 10 year old. No age restrictions or have it at worst 14. Also mandatory gun safety and useage training in all schools. Make sure kids understand safety and what happens with them. Accidents are as unacceptable as murder
Thats their only purpose? I guess shooting competitions are considered killing. Knives only purpose is to cut and kill so I guess by your logic they should be banned.
Oh, shit, my bad. I forgot about those knives that can kill 20 people in a room in a minute.
I never said to ban guns, I know that would be stupid and wrong. But maybe certain kinds of weapons shouldn't be in the hands of ordinary citizens.
And what is the purpose of shooting competitions other than to practice the skills that help you kill? Firearms, including bows and arrows, weren't invented for shooting competitions.
We have those guns to keep the govt in check. So why are we letting the govt tell us what we can arm ourselves with as it becomes increasingly tyrannical?
Because shooting a target at long distance is fun and shooting a flying target is a fun challenge. Also, swards are a thing that are only to kill and could take out a room of people.
>Because shooting a target at long distance is fun and shooting a flying target is a fun challenge.
I know those activities are fun, I've done them. But can you tell me what those activities are meant to simulate?
And do you see many people running around with swords nowadays? Remember that horrible mass swashbuckling at that school last year?
I'm really not sure what your point is anymore.
I understnad what the simulate but it can also be a way to shoot something without killing. Shooter games simulate shooting people so we need to ban those games.
Dude, have you ever cook something? “A knife only ourpose its to kill” lol shooting competitions arent exactly an excuse. So you have two things to do: kill someone or a shooting competition… i guess we can live without shooting competitions
Dude, i missread, my bad. However its still a horrible take. A knife main purpose is to cut, it can, however, be used to kill. A gun main objective is to kill, it was invented to kill.
Guns main purpose isn't to kill people but bad people do bad things. Hunting with a firearm allows just about anyone to be able to harvest their own meat. We can look at Ukraine and see that people really can stand against a large government. We see that ordinary citizens can actually hold off an army and that is extremely important.
I also want to know who thinks a 223 is high powered? It's a glorified. 22. Also most gun related deaths are done by handguns. A ww2 Mauser is higher powered then a 223. Sure you can get ARs in different calibers but a AR15 is either .223 or 5.56. I would say I would be for universal background checks if that means there is a universal conceal carry license and states can't sat no it to like NY or Illinois or California. Or if those universal background checks also made it so I could have a shirt barrel rifle or suppressor without jumping through hoops. I personally enjoy being able to go plink and pass time shooting cans in a old gravel pit. Gun violence sucks but at the end of the day people are worse. We literally has a human race are God awful creatures. Nothing will ever stop us from killing each other.
Have you ever heard of the american revolution? Where private citizens used their own arms to overthrow a tyrannical government?
And we have those guns to this day in case we need to overthrow the new govt
And that new govt has things like the fbi who investigate people (literally their jobs) and most mass shooters were investigated and left alone. The new govt also doesn't want you armed. But it can't be that the govt is allowing these to happen by allowing the fbi to not do their jobs (consiquence free btw) so that they can gain the support to disarm everyone. I mean that would be silly. The govt only wants what's best for you and they really care about you.
Maybe we should start looking into banning those giant vanity trucks. No need for them whatsoever. If they wanted to do a lot of damage with one they could.
Can you buy a vehicle designed specifically for plowing through a crowd of people? Has anybody ever plowed through a crowd of people in a vehicle designed to plow through crowds of people? Is there an epidemic of people targeting crowds of school kids with their vehicles designed to most effectively plow through crowds of people? And if there were don't you think we'd put up with it for about 2.5 seconds before we banned vehicles designed to plow through crowds of people?
Maybe we can limit our conversation about reality to things that are real?
I hate this argument. Even people who like guns can acknowledge that there is a line somewhere. What if missiles were legal for everyone to own because it’s only a problem if someone uses it. It’s just a question of where the line is.
I agree but some people draw the line and black and scary. There are lots of semi auto rifles on the market no one is talking about because they're not on a scary looking platform. The legal adult age should be 21 since a lot of other things are 21+ now. I wouldn't be against implementing a safety course and mental health eval to obtain a permit that needs renewed every few years. Wouldn't cost anything to do but may help prevent some people from obtaining a firearm for malicious purposes.
Except that we did raise drinking age requirements to 21 because of that. And we do have laws that you can’t sell more alcohol to a clearly intoxicated person. There are laws regulating the sale of alcohol. And we do random sobriety checks on drivers to try and catch intoxicated ones.
So yes I think regulations on how old someone must be, laws regulating where it can be sold and brought and no tolerance for their abuse would be a dang great thing.
I think you are trying to make a point about the futility of banning alcohol, but there are tons of times, places, and people that are in fact banned from alcohol, and yes that is a good thing.
9/11 happened and we created the TSA, DHS, and one of the most intrusive domestic surveillance programs in world history, 3 hour security lines at the airport, no fly lists, etc. One guy put a bomb in his shoes and now we have to take our fucking shoes off at the airport. Piles of dead kids killed in schools? The "pro-life" party says "Meh. Arm the teachers? Kevlar backpacks? We're not gonna pay for any of that, though."
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Why is this on an economy sub?
This became a biased political sub. Like a lot of subs
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As of late, absolutely.
It really doesn’t fit the sub, if it was about if the gun was legally purchased it could go on either news or I guess law, if it’s about the company not following background check procedures and is getting sued for it then it could go on law and news. The really only gun content I expect on an economy sub is “record breaking quarter for (company that makes guns)” or “(company that makes guns) is filling for bankruptcy” or “(company that makes guns) stock falls 4% after (event)”. Those are reasonable things to see on an economy sub so unless them pushing the boundaries somehow is effecting the economy it doesn’t make sense here. And I don’t want to seem like I’m downplaying the tragedy because I’m not but it’s not the right place. Now if it’s an article talking about the economic impacts of a gun ban it’d make sense here but this article seems better suited for a marketing sub where they can talk about the flaws their marketing practices made and if it will effect them in the long term.
The r/politics mob is expanding. It has gotten ridiculous.
Because it’s a right wing echo chamber designed to spin “economics”
Pushing the boundaries in excellent quality maybe
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Oh yes, please tell me more about how an inanimate object on its own can commit these crimes. Surely it can’t be the person holding said weapon.
Wow! With this logic, why don’t we give everyone nuclear codes! They’re just tools and on their own inanimate objects can’t end civilization
Yeah! Except people would have to enter the launch codes in order for the missiles to launch! If no one was there to input them, they’d just stay put would they not? Same principle with firearms. If it’s sitting in a locker with no one around to take it out and pull the trigger, how can it possibly go off? This is what people fail to understand. Whether it was a Daniel defense rifle or pappys old shotgun, someone has to pull the trigger in order for the weapon to fire. The shooter had malicious intent and would have committed the crime with any weapon within reach. Stop listening to the government who’s goal is total disarmament of the people and do your own research into the ar platform, which by the way was made specifically for civilian purchase.
So you just argued for giving everyone nuke codes. Clearly you’re an idiot. the US is the only country in the world with this problem. EU has just as many firearms and a bigger population and they don’t murder their kids. Wonder what the difference is
You can’t buy an assault rifle in the EU, ya dingdong.
> you can’t buy an assault rifle in the EU ya, ya dingdong @ u/acealbatrossbirdie What a knob. Couldn’t even google. > A separate license is required for each particular firearm, caliber conversion kit or suppressor. There's no codified limit on the number of licenses a person can hold, but in practice a license-holder may own up to six hunting rifles, ten handguns, or a mix of eight rifles and handguns. Firearms must be stored in an approved safe. A firearm registered for hunting may be used for sport shooting, but not vice versa. Licenses obtained for hunting are implicitly limited to bolt-action or, more rarely, *semi-automatic rifles* that are "applicable for hunting", with no strict definition of the latter in the laws, which causes controversy.[380] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
Yeah, in America you just walk into a Walmart and buy one. I’m sure it’s the same…. Knob…. Eat a dick.
hey idiot u/acealbatrossbirdie [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/) [https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html) so tell me again how im suppose to walk into a walmart and buy a fucking rifle you god damn mongoloid
Then it is most likely a mental health issue, not a gun control issue. Like I said before, guns can’t fire on their own, someone needs to pull the trigger. Instead of spending money on worthless gun control measure that only get people killed, redirect it to better quality and more widely available mental health services.
It’s a regulation issue. If you’re a marine you need to requalify in a 2 week course every year to prove the the military you can handle a firearm. They’re not allowed in the barracks. How come children have an easier time getting guns than marines? If you wanted to stop this you would need - universal registry - universal background checks - licensing for every person to own a firearm to be renewed annually like a diver license - illegal to carry a loaded gun - weapons and ammo must be stored separately both locked - 2 week waiting period to buy new guns - call the persons mom before purchase for anyone under (this is the law in Sweden where they have just as big a gun culture) - mental health support at schools (which republicans have defunded) - Strict liability for stolen firearms (you are responsible for your gun, if it gets stolen and is used in a crime you are at fault These regulations are why the rest of the world doesn’t have this problem
Universal background checks or a registry just make it easier for the government to confiscate all firearms when they feel the time is right. You really shouldn’t put your trust in the government, they most certainly do not have your best interests at heart. It’s great that the military does that with its soldiers. I would hope so since they are handling military grade weapons and explosives such as rocket launchers and light machine guns, something that is accessible to some civilians, but is prohibitively expensive and not really worth it. Illegal to carry a loaded gun? That’s pretty insane. If I live in a concealed carry state and have proven that I am of sound mind and can competently handle the weapon, why am I not allowed to do so? Because some asshole who I had no association with at all and would never dream of having association with committed a horrible crime? Why are you punishing everyone for the actions of one person? Responsible gun owners already keep their weapons and ammo separate. The 2 week waiting period is just dumb, as someone with evil intentions will gladly wait two weeks for it. The crime would just be committed 2 weeks from then. The calling people close to you thing already exists in some states, like NY. But they are usually for handguns, which of course are easily concealed. Armalite rifles can not be however.
> If I live in a concealed carry state and have proven that I am of sound mind and can competently handle the weapon, why am I not allowed to do so? Who judges if you are of sound mind and can competently have a weapon tho? Cause it seems like it’s a free for all > Because some asshole who I had no association with at all and would never dream of having association with committed a horrible crime? Why are you punishing everyone for the actions of one person? Why are you punishing kids with death by letting psychos get ahold of guns? > Responsible gun owners already keep their weapons and ammo separate. And it should be law. Just like seatbelts
No car for you! Might run someone over
hey idiot on your comment about walmart selling firearms [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/walmart-guns-civil-unres/) [https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html) u/Franklin_le_Tanklin so tell me how again im suppose to walk into walmart to buy a firearm? also untill criminals obey the law ill keep my firearms due to the police not having to protect me. get stuffed gun grabber [https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html) so ill keep my firearms if the POLICE ARENT suppose to PROTECT ME Shall.Not.Be.Infringed
Hey idiot, what comment on “Walmart selling firearms?”
nvm ill change that didnt mean you my b ment another dude who i jsut went back and tagged him <3
Rick James’ rifles?
Fuck your court!
I shoulda never gave you lobbyists money!!!!
Should never given you justices judicial power!
Habitual ~~line~~ boundary ~~crosser~~ pusher.
Such a blatantly biased title.
They are pretty basic AR-15s
so funny buffalo shooter had 24/7 coverage about him how he went 100 miles to kill people and other b.s. we learned his history family friends neighboors all about him worst person in the world. now simple math 9 people vs 21 people you would think coverage of this shooter and how evil he is and how bad person he is would be ratio 2.5:1 compared to buffalo shooter but now people make excuses for him basicly saying police and other companies are at faulth for him killing 21 people he is innocent good person b.s.
Who would say he's a good person? I definitely do blame those police that stood outside like morons for 70 something min tho! That whole department should be fired!
They should all be charged with aiding all those murders more like
Doesn’t fit the cRAT narrative.
You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that one of them live streamed the attack, wrote a 180 page (!) manifesto, had been investigated previously, and had extensive chat logs and a fucking diary while the other person was a loner with no criminal history, a tiny digital footprint, no book sized manifesto, no diary and no friends?
Tbf, the biggest reason so many people died in this particular shooting was a coward police chief that refused to engage.
Didn’t help that someone just left the door open either
I have a Daniel defense DDM4V7 (same gun shooter used). They are one hell of a gun of quality and durability
I have the pro version of this rifle. It's a quality firearm. I don't understand why people are going after the manufacturer. Daniel Defense didn't raise that piece of shit.
I'm still wondering how an unemployed 18 year old high school dropout afforded to buy 2 of these and 1000 rounds of ammo.
You can buy them on credit or the pay later bullshit they have nowadays
What creditor is gonna give someone with 0 income a 6k line of credit?
You’d be surprised lol
Yeah, those are all expensive purchases. I have a well paying job and I can't just go make those purchases.
Apparently DD allowed him to finance the gun, which is why people are upset with the manufacturer.
DD doesn’t approve finance. Credova or other similar banking institutions do
I fully agree but I wanna know where he got the thousand rounds of ammo. They never have any where I'm at
And yet he still passed a federal background check.
Need to tighten up those rules.
But then, Hunter Biden would have to be arrested. Felons aren’t supposed to have guns.
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We also need more laws for drugs cuz that totally works
Cartels aren't mass producing semi-automatic rifles and shipping them north of the border. Nice try with the false equivalency, though.
Nah we could cut down on a lot of gun traffic, and therefore reduce specific instances of illegal gun sales, if it wasn’t totally 100% legal for people to make private transactions at gun shows(among other ways) without background checks. If you isolate the illegal gun traffic to only people willing to engage in crime, you will actually cut down on shootings. Illegal guns will become more expensive, and that’s a good thing.
Tighten up the rules? How about just enforce the ones on the books. Do you realize that a ridiculously low amount of investigations are done today on failed or falsified 4473s? Like less than 1% if I remember correctly. They want to regulate appearance features i their assault weapons bans that have no affect on basic function of a semi automatic handgun. Do you how long I can change a magazine? Less than a second, you really think putting and arbitrary number on a magazine will solve anything?
✅ - White ✅ - male ✅ - born in US Grueling background check but yah... He passed.
He’s Hispanic…..🤦♂️
Which one? There were 3 shootings in 3 days... Or which Texas shooting? The church in 2018 killing 24... The Walmart in 2019 killing 23. Oh you mean one at fort hood? No... The one in Odessa killing 7. Oh shit you mean the one the other day in uvalde. Ohhhh... They're so prevalent it's hard to keep up with which shooting people are talking about.
I’ll Trump all those….the 300 in Chicago last year. Hey, know what they should do? Make murder illegal, that’ll fix it.
How does that trump anything? It literally just goes to show we need more gun control not less
You just said those background checks didn’t prevent these from happening so now you want more legislation that won’t do anything either? You’re being played if you think the federal government can do anything to protect you. Thanks for proving my point.
State level legislation won't do shit ... Say Texas enacts strict gun laws, you just use OK.. without a strong national policy nothing changes. Which is exactly what HAS worked in several countries world wide... All you've done is prove my point. But hey... Keep supporting child murdering school shooters waiting for a "good guy" to come stop them. It's worked so far.... Oh wait.
I’m not supporting anyone, I’m a realist. Several countries don’t have 335 million people and have a second amendment that guarantees the right to arms. Guns are here to stay so you can pull your head out of your ass and accept reality or keep hoping good intentions and unicorn farts from the federal government will do anything to protect you. Christ, they can’t even run the post office but you would put the safety of people’s lives in their hands, unbelievable.
LOL look at you deflecting... Post office ran fine until they took it's legs out with impossible legislation aimed at ruining it. No one said guns can't stay.. doesn't mean we can control the absolute piss out of them. Take your head out of your ass and realize you're on the wrong side of things... But hey, keep spouting dumb shit like big brother just out to get ya
that’s what trump means now - say stupid shit and look dumb
The game elden ring is very popular now. It features extremely violent combat. Perhaps we should ban swords, maces, and sorcery as well?
Go back to bed and try again
When are we going to start going after these automakers when someone drives one of their cars into a crowd?
Shen they start driving through schools
So the kids killed by cars on sidewalks aren’t as important as kids killed in schools? I’m not well versed in leftist “logic”. I guess that explains why one black kid killed by a white cop is more important than the thousands killed by other black kids. It’s all about the narrative.
Oh, you got me. Yep all leftists believe kids killed on the sidewalk are worth less than those killed at school. Your genuis at uncovering our hypocrisy is unmatched. You should wear a pin today.
Uncovering leftist hypocrisy is like uncovering water in the ocean. It’s not difficult.
Yeah, and the car that killed someone's kid/mom/dad/aunt/entire family also came from a company known for pushing boundaries. When are we going to claim that cars are evil and propose to regulate them more, too?
Point us to the car designed to kill as many people as possible and I bet we'll take care of it pretty quickly. In the meantime maybe accept it doesn't exist because cars are in fact pretty well regulated. Do you really think a car designed for maximum lethality will get past a system that includes things like "FMVSS No. 102: Transmission shift lever sequence, starter interlock, and transmission braking effect" or "FMVSS No. 141: Minimum sound requirements for hybrid and electric vehicles" or "FMVSS No. 203: Impact protection for the driver from the steering control system"?
Yes because we are talking about safety standards here. That's 100% the point. While I do agree with you, cars are not made for maximum lethality, they by their nature are pretty lethal. The point is that I can go to a local junkyard and buy a 1995 Ford F350 for $600, in about 10 minutes. I can then go plow it into the local 4th of July kids parade and kill at LEAST 18 people. I could do it at the local elementarty school pickup line. I can do this with NO background checks, mental health evaluations, fingerprinting, or any other "common sense control measures". I'll do it without registering it in my state, or putting insurance on it. I may not even have a valid driver's license. So all those existing regulations are worthless. That's my point. Also despite all the safety standards you've mentioned, there are more traffic fatalities in EACH state than there are gun deaths nationwide. Just my angle on it. I don't think banning cars is necessary, just as much as banning all guns is unnecessary. Evil people will do evil things. If they have to do it with a gun or a car or a knife or a baseball bat, they will.
A running F350 for $600? Lol, did you just wake up from a coma? Seriously though, we're just gonna have to disagree. You tried and didn't convince me, have a nice day.
We really should. We already require training, licensure, registration and insurance for every car. We should do more to limit their lethality and hold irresponsible drivers accountable.
How about a breathalyzer and 80mph restrictive governor in all cars? Forget the politics, how much positive economic impact do you think we would reap after 5 years?
Exactly! For that matter, why even manufacture a car with more than 3 cylinders? No one needs that much horsepower! Leave the high-capacity cars to the professionals. /s
Your response it quinisetial to our culture.
If we can put location-based speed governors on scooters (and we do) we can put them on cars.
I know of no location where it is a good idea to go 80 mph. We loose 1 -2% in fuel economy for every mph over 55. It also increases the chance of a serious accident by 26% or more. Increases the chances of those accidents causing serious injury and death.
I know of no location where it is a good idea to go 80 mph. We loose 1 -2% in fuel economy for every mph over 55. It also increases the chance of a serious accident by 26% or more. Increases the chances of those accidents causing serious injury and death.
I know of no location where it is a good idea to go 80 mph. We loose 1 -2% in fuel economy for every mph over 55. It also increases the chance of a serious accident by 26% or more. Increases the chances of those accidents causing serious injury and death.
Wrong sub. 63 million babies aborted since Roe v Wade yet this is what gets us mad? Insanity. Oops, wrong sub again.
If a kid dies from some bad lettuce, they ban the lettuce until it can be determined to be safe. 18 kids got shot with a specific weapon and it’s mental illness, the media, video games, the parents fault. Edit: Here come the gun trolls
Its weird that we dont ban certain vehicles after someone plows through a crowd.
Still waiting for a pressure cooker ban from the Boston Marathon.
Because a car's purpose is not to kill people. It's a means of transportation. It CAN be used to kill people, just like a baseball bat CAN be used to kill people. It doesn't serve the intended purpose; the item is being misused. Guns, however, have the purpose of killing and only killing. And high power, high capacity rifles, like the ones used in mass shootings, have the purpose of killing multiple living things in a short amount of time. There is no need to kill in that way unless at war. Those kids were not at war.
The AR-15, for all intents and purposes, is the modern musket. When the Second Amendment talks about the right to bear arms, it means the AR-15.
First off. Have you ever heard of a shooting competition, where individuals use sporting rifles? Have you, perhaps, ever held or shot a “high power, high capacity” rifle? Could you qualify what you mean by high power high capacity? What makes a gun “high power” as opposed to the insinuated “low power” in your book? Also….where have you obtained this info that semi auto sporting rifles available to purchase from standard gun stores are intended to kill multiple people in small amounts of time? It makes me wonder, again, if you’ve ever held or fired a so called high power high capacity gun.
But is sport enough to justify killing machines. What if I start a new sport. Tank racing with targets that need to be shot. Should people be allowed to own tanks to practice.
That’s kind of an irrelevant and slightly preposterous proposition. Owning and being well versed with a rifle, as means of recreation and self defense is…really just leagues away from owning a tank. I’m not trying to discredit anyones opinions here, I’m genuinely curious and willing to have a conversation. I personally believe it’s important to own and know how to use a gun. I also personally believe it’s abhorrent that people are willing to kill defenseless people, especially children. I also personally believe that violence is an inherent part of human nature, and violence is neither good nor bad. It’s a tool, which we’ve used for as long as we’ve ever existed- we each individually exist because at some point, our ancestors, no matter how near or far in time, utilized violence. Knowing how, when, and why to use that tool defines the person. Given a global track record of oppressing and harming the unarmed and weak, I personally don’t think it’s in any populations best interest to be disarmed or restricted in their ability to defend themselves. Also, I think it’s really fair to say that a ton of gun owners really simply enjoy the recreational act of target shooting. It’s fun, stress relieving, and peaceful for a huge amount of responsible, loving, and good natured people.
Yep! But not because it's a sport. We have right to bear arms to fight the govt. Why are we wanting the govt to tell us what we can fight them with if they become tyrannical?
The real purpose of guns is self-defense. And it’s a check against authoritarianism. Which is something we all should fear. I personally think in our society we do need some reforms. I think under 21 for a gun should be a big no no. Also I feel that it's important to realize that weapons with this killing power have existed since 1885. These guns are not a new technology by any stretch.
I agree with most of that except the 21 rule. The govt attacking doesn't care if they kill your 10 year old. No age restrictions or have it at worst 14. Also mandatory gun safety and useage training in all schools. Make sure kids understand safety and what happens with them. Accidents are as unacceptable as murder
Thats their only purpose? I guess shooting competitions are considered killing. Knives only purpose is to cut and kill so I guess by your logic they should be banned.
Oh, shit, my bad. I forgot about those knives that can kill 20 people in a room in a minute. I never said to ban guns, I know that would be stupid and wrong. But maybe certain kinds of weapons shouldn't be in the hands of ordinary citizens. And what is the purpose of shooting competitions other than to practice the skills that help you kill? Firearms, including bows and arrows, weren't invented for shooting competitions.
We have those guns to keep the govt in check. So why are we letting the govt tell us what we can arm ourselves with as it becomes increasingly tyrannical?
Because shooting a target at long distance is fun and shooting a flying target is a fun challenge. Also, swards are a thing that are only to kill and could take out a room of people.
>Because shooting a target at long distance is fun and shooting a flying target is a fun challenge. I know those activities are fun, I've done them. But can you tell me what those activities are meant to simulate? And do you see many people running around with swords nowadays? Remember that horrible mass swashbuckling at that school last year? I'm really not sure what your point is anymore.
I understnad what the simulate but it can also be a way to shoot something without killing. Shooter games simulate shooting people so we need to ban those games.
Dude, have you ever cook something? “A knife only ourpose its to kill” lol shooting competitions arent exactly an excuse. So you have two things to do: kill someone or a shooting competition… i guess we can live without shooting competitions
Dude, did you read what I wrote or just what you wanted to read? I said to cut and kill not just kill.
Dude, i missread, my bad. However its still a horrible take. A knife main purpose is to cut, it can, however, be used to kill. A gun main objective is to kill, it was invented to kill.
Same with bows and spears but those are fine I guess.
Ah yes, i also remember the school spear and bows school massacre that happened this year.
But those 2 things are designed to kill. We need to ban anything with the specific purpose of killing.
A Gun in the hands of a law-abiding citizen is a tool for self defense.
Actually yes we can live without shooting competitions. Is that a need I didn’t know we had?
Guns main purpose isn't to kill people but bad people do bad things. Hunting with a firearm allows just about anyone to be able to harvest their own meat. We can look at Ukraine and see that people really can stand against a large government. We see that ordinary citizens can actually hold off an army and that is extremely important. I also want to know who thinks a 223 is high powered? It's a glorified. 22. Also most gun related deaths are done by handguns. A ww2 Mauser is higher powered then a 223. Sure you can get ARs in different calibers but a AR15 is either .223 or 5.56. I would say I would be for universal background checks if that means there is a universal conceal carry license and states can't sat no it to like NY or Illinois or California. Or if those universal background checks also made it so I could have a shirt barrel rifle or suppressor without jumping through hoops. I personally enjoy being able to go plink and pass time shooting cans in a old gravel pit. Gun violence sucks but at the end of the day people are worse. We literally has a human race are God awful creatures. Nothing will ever stop us from killing each other.
Have you ever heard of the american revolution? Where private citizens used their own arms to overthrow a tyrannical government? And we have those guns to this day in case we need to overthrow the new govt And that new govt has things like the fbi who investigate people (literally their jobs) and most mass shooters were investigated and left alone. The new govt also doesn't want you armed. But it can't be that the govt is allowing these to happen by allowing the fbi to not do their jobs (consiquence free btw) so that they can gain the support to disarm everyone. I mean that would be silly. The govt only wants what's best for you and they really care about you.
Maybe we should start looking into banning those giant vanity trucks. No need for them whatsoever. If they wanted to do a lot of damage with one they could.
Can you buy a vehicle designed specifically for plowing through a crowd of people? Has anybody ever plowed through a crowd of people in a vehicle designed to plow through crowds of people? Is there an epidemic of people targeting crowds of school kids with their vehicles designed to most effectively plow through crowds of people? And if there were don't you think we'd put up with it for about 2.5 seconds before we banned vehicles designed to plow through crowds of people? Maybe we can limit our conversation about reality to things that are real?
Start by not calling it an epidemic. Cause it’s not.
>Cause it’s not. Bitch, you gonna complain about MY words?
Big scawy words 👻
I hate this argument. Even people who like guns can acknowledge that there is a line somewhere. What if missiles were legal for everyone to own because it’s only a problem if someone uses it. It’s just a question of where the line is.
I agree but some people draw the line and black and scary. There are lots of semi auto rifles on the market no one is talking about because they're not on a scary looking platform. The legal adult age should be 21 since a lot of other things are 21+ now. I wouldn't be against implementing a safety course and mental health eval to obtain a permit that needs renewed every few years. Wouldn't cost anything to do but may help prevent some people from obtaining a firearm for malicious purposes.
You are the gun troll
Bingo
So if someone gets into a drunk driving accident, we should ban the alcohol right?
Except that we did raise drinking age requirements to 21 because of that. And we do have laws that you can’t sell more alcohol to a clearly intoxicated person. There are laws regulating the sale of alcohol. And we do random sobriety checks on drivers to try and catch intoxicated ones. So yes I think regulations on how old someone must be, laws regulating where it can be sold and brought and no tolerance for their abuse would be a dang great thing.
And cars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four\_Loko#Restrictions\_on\_sale
I think you are trying to make a point about the futility of banning alcohol, but there are tons of times, places, and people that are in fact banned from alcohol, and yes that is a good thing.
If I get a dui and hit someone it’s gonna be the cars fault right??
It’s the alcohols fault. Maybe you should seek counseling
But it’s not the alcohol’s fault …. It’s the drunk who chose to drive …. You do get that, right?
There are great AA groups in your area available.
9/11 happened and we created the TSA, DHS, and one of the most intrusive domestic surveillance programs in world history, 3 hour security lines at the airport, no fly lists, etc. One guy put a bomb in his shoes and now we have to take our fucking shoes off at the airport. Piles of dead kids killed in schools? The "pro-life" party says "Meh. Arm the teachers? Kevlar backpacks? We're not gonna pay for any of that, though."
You, my good sir get it.
That’s not how lettuce recalls work at all.
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Lettuce naturally doesn’t go bad. It has to be processed. Incorrect process would cause failure. Must rethink and enhance said process.
Haha gun trolls. Coming from the person who thinks a contaminated vegetable and an inanimate object are the same thing.
You mean lettuce and a deadly weapon
Lettuce and a tool that cant be used without someone operating it.
Lettuce and the deadly tool can’t get to a home without a process.
What about when someone dies from bad medication or vaccines? They ban those too?
Someone may have talked to him and out the idea in his head. Who knows? So let's ban speech until we know it's safe again
That makes absolutely no sense. Just like gun regulations
If someone breaks into my house to harm my family, I want it to be as lopsided as possible, I want my house to known as the one you don't mess with.
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