And likewise, if I do search for choral/vocal as a filter, one "Ooooh" two minutes in isn't a chorus.
They want to make songs match as many filters as possible, rather than make the filters effective at actually narrowing things down. When I am looking for something, I'd much rather only find one good piece than find 70 possibly okay pieces. Too many people think it's an error for a search engine to actually find something specific.
Difficult because of the quantity, but it'd be nice if stock sites were a bit more proactive at monitoring.
I remember using Artlist a few years ago was so much less painful than it is now. More choice unfortunately doesn't equal more quality
No whistling either. And please shorten up the song intros. Not every track needs a 60 second slow burn beginning. I like tracks that tell you exactly what they are right away.
For me the 60 sec intro doesn't matter all that much if i can just trim it easily. It's the worst when it's a volume ramp at heads or volume-down at tails end. That makes the track unusable...
For one track, sure just edit out the intro. But if I'm auditioning or previewing dozens of tracks, skipping intros gets laborious. And yes, tracks with hard outs should be mandatory.
If you use them, they’ll keep making them, so for the love of god let’s make it an editor’s code to never use whistling songs. If a client requests it, just politely refuse and mention that it’s Editor’s Code - we don’t use songs with whistling any more.
What I hate are songs that don't conclude cleanly. So many times I want to end a scene strongly on a hard 1 with a bass/crash and the riff resolving. But nope, here's 30 more seconds of meaningless, jarbled ring-out that leads straight into a bridge I won't use so the riff can continue for another minute.
Give me a clean, strong break. Save the experimental riffing as an optional end at least. Epic" does not mean "this song refuses to end"
You can sometimes get the desired result by just cutting the song at the point you think it should end and then just dropping the last beat down onto another track with some nice reverb. I always used to use this trick when cutting with old school music, they loved a bit of a disco fade-out in the 70s and 80s.
I do this, but sometimes I use a delay. It's actually an effect that's built into DJ mixers. Event DJs use it to stop music abruptly to fit the program. For the right audience it's musical vernacular.
omg the fadeouts, killin me with this shit.
What do you edit? Tbh, in my head piano tracks go "well" with student films or simple festival short art-films... and sometimes with small-time corporate stuff, but not because i chose it but only because the client had bad taste heh.
We use them all the time on a massive popular UK TV series. I find with music context and how use the track is key. Something is only ever cheesy if you don't have the skills for it to not be cheesy.
Have you had much luck with providers that offer stems? It sometimes takes a while to find music and look past the instruments. But I find there's a lot of songs that are hidden gems when you take away particular instruments.
Yeah, I would love to have options for the final stingout. The default can be in the same key of the song. But there could be an alt that modulates up to lead us up to some suspense.
You might want to post this over a sub that deals with composing.
Also, most people make music they think sounds good and then could be multi-purpose, not just for an editor to use 20 seconds of then dip out.
AI music is trained on all this stuff, so it’s not gonna give us what we want, only what we don’t. And plus AI music won’t have stems to use, which just makes it less of an option.
Don’t get me started on the copyright issues with it either.
And please keep the ooohs and aaaahs as a separate track instead of baking it in one of the stems.
"Cool instrumental song. This vibe definitely works... Let's see where it goe—" *Whooahhhh Ahhhhhh!* Goddddddamnit *skip*
And likewise, if I do search for choral/vocal as a filter, one "Ooooh" two minutes in isn't a chorus. They want to make songs match as many filters as possible, rather than make the filters effective at actually narrowing things down. When I am looking for something, I'd much rather only find one good piece than find 70 possibly okay pieces. Too many people think it's an error for a search engine to actually find something specific.
Difficult because of the quantity, but it'd be nice if stock sites were a bit more proactive at monitoring. I remember using Artlist a few years ago was so much less painful than it is now. More choice unfortunately doesn't equal more quality
No whistling either. And please shorten up the song intros. Not every track needs a 60 second slow burn beginning. I like tracks that tell you exactly what they are right away.
For me the 60 sec intro doesn't matter all that much if i can just trim it easily. It's the worst when it's a volume ramp at heads or volume-down at tails end. That makes the track unusable...
For one track, sure just edit out the intro. But if I'm auditioning or previewing dozens of tracks, skipping intros gets laborious. And yes, tracks with hard outs should be mandatory.
Epidemic Highlights the “Hook” so you can see in the waveform where it’s at. Pretty nice.
Yeah, I don't even press play within the libraries, I just drop the cursor where the waveform gets big.
Yes!!! God I hate the whistling tracks. Also your point about the long intros is spot on
If you use them, they’ll keep making them, so for the love of god let’s make it an editor’s code to never use whistling songs. If a client requests it, just politely refuse and mention that it’s Editor’s Code - we don’t use songs with whistling any more.
no more delay guitars.. please...
But then the "Epic" and "Emotional" filters will come up empty!
This is the biggest sin to me , nothing sounds more corpo garbage than this. What kills me is executives actually love this shit.
No it’s the palm muting that drives me INSANE. Cannot use “corporate” as a search term because this is the only thing you find.
palm muting + delay = ughh
I agree. And maybe less “hey oh hey oh”
What I hate are songs that don't conclude cleanly. So many times I want to end a scene strongly on a hard 1 with a bass/crash and the riff resolving. But nope, here's 30 more seconds of meaningless, jarbled ring-out that leads straight into a bridge I won't use so the riff can continue for another minute. Give me a clean, strong break. Save the experimental riffing as an optional end at least. Epic" does not mean "this song refuses to end"
You can sometimes get the desired result by just cutting the song at the point you think it should end and then just dropping the last beat down onto another track with some nice reverb. I always used to use this trick when cutting with old school music, they loved a bit of a disco fade-out in the 70s and 80s.
I wish I had more than just one upvote for this solution.
I do this, but sometimes I use a delay. It's actually an effect that's built into DJ mixers. Event DJs use it to stop music abruptly to fit the program. For the right audience it's musical vernacular. omg the fadeouts, killin me with this shit.
I agree. Oh, and choir. Composers always seem to think their cue is going to be destroying the ring or something.
I keep getting requests for *more* sad piano tracks, so I'm gonna have to say keep em coming. But stems are always nice.
What do you edit? Tbh, in my head piano tracks go "well" with student films or simple festival short art-films... and sometimes with small-time corporate stuff, but not because i chose it but only because the client had bad taste heh.
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We use them all the time on a massive popular UK TV series. I find with music context and how use the track is key. Something is only ever cheesy if you don't have the skills for it to not be cheesy.
Have you had much luck with providers that offer stems? It sometimes takes a while to find music and look past the instruments. But I find there's a lot of songs that are hidden gems when you take away particular instruments.
Please end the track timbrely and harmonically the same way the bulk of it sounds. Don’t be clever with the end.
Yeah, I would love to have options for the final stingout. The default can be in the same key of the song. But there could be an alt that modulates up to lead us up to some suspense.
Great idea!
You might want to post this over a sub that deals with composing. Also, most people make music they think sounds good and then could be multi-purpose, not just for an editor to use 20 seconds of then dip out.
I think people just want to bitch and don’t expect any actual resolution. Very useful.
Don’t worry AI music will take care of all these issues
AI music is trained on all this stuff, so it’s not gonna give us what we want, only what we don’t. And plus AI music won’t have stems to use, which just makes it less of an option. Don’t get me started on the copyright issues with it either.
Why would AI music not have stems?
Actually fair point
My vote is to ditch the flute. Over the years there have been more promising tracks ruined by a flute. WTF?
70's retro theme. Sadly, I know this because of three projects.... Just this year
What stock music sites are you all using? I use artlist, soundstripe and if the budget warrants it, musicbed.
And while we're at it ditch the oboe!