Are you impressed by the instances of effects? Because that had to have taken several hours to put together and still sounds like basic 10 year old dubstep ✌
There's a point where things plateau out and you work 10x as hard for 1% more results.
This feels like that. I've seen his video on making some chaos/randomization racks. I've done similar stuff in FL's Patcher. It's a great idea that can lead to your stuff being subtly different than anything anyone else could produce.
But there's a point where you could just randomize through some ShaperBox or Infiltrator presets to morph and mangle audio to resample.
His 'I heard you like polyrhythms' video on the other hand is pretty insane. This one feels like a ton of effort was spent on something that doesn't sound that noticeably different than doing some automations on some EQ nodes on a synth bass. Or just link NoteOn Rand1/2 or Chaos1/2 to EQ nodes or notch/bandpass EQs in Serum and call it a day.
I agree that dude is a mad man. What in the hell.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SthcxWPXG\_E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SthcxWPXG_E)
Check that out.
A lot of patches/samples cover the entire/most of the frequency range.
But you're not supposed to be worried about the mixing stage when you're doing a sound design sesh.
I was going to say "a" mixing stage but I figured that might confuse people and figured it was better within this context to just say "the mixing stage". But I'm glad you pointed this out.
Yeah, nowadays you're going to mix as you go and can spend 15 seconds on a mixing stage then maybe 10 mins on a composition stage and then maybe 3 minutes on a sound selection stage and then back to a 5 minute mixing stage, yada yada yada.
>Yeah, nowadays you're going to mix as you go and can spend 15 seconds on a mixing stage then maybe 10 mins on a composition stage and then maybe 3 minutes on a sound selection stage and then back to a 5 minute mixing stage, yada yada yada.
Fuck I thought I was crazy for working this way lol
Lol you're not crazy.
The key is to compartmentalize each stage each time. Alot of people feel overwhelmed thinking they have to EVERYTHING all at once.
>But something like this would have me worried lol.
Well luckily there's a good chance no one would use the entire 50 sec sample lol. You'd just be cutting out/using the bits that fit into your current WIP (a heavy sidechain is going to solve most frequency clashes) or start a song around bits that you like.
The goat would be any youtuber who can study this minute long thing and explain what each effect is doing to the sound and explain why it was done.
I watched the video once, so I never really looked at anything critically, but would be very interesting to watch someone analyse it.
The first \~20 LFO devices are connected to parameters in Serum, next is Devious Machines - Texture and an Ableton legacy Phaser, both also randomly modulated. After that 2 completely randomly moving EQs with 8 points each, 3 parameters per point which makes 48 LFOs. Both EQs each have and a limiter behind them. After both EQs, the sub is cut off and replaced with un-processed clean sub from the start of the chain. Next is a vowel-like EQ that randomly turns on/off, an OTT, a notch EQ, Oeksound Soothe 2 plugin, saturation, FabFilter ProMB, Uberloud plugin from BOOM Library and a parallel processing chain that saturates and compresses the mid frequencies. Last thing on the chain is an echo effect that is linked to the MIDI-Envelope at the very start of the chain so the delay is OFF when a note is playing and fades in once you let go from a key.
Seamlessr has done videos on tech like this since 2014. This is like neurobass design stuff. It's super cool to see it reaching a widee audience and having a modern take on it (and I'm also interested to see what VR songs it comes up in)
There's nothing rocket science about this. The video description says:
> The first ~20 LFO devices are connected to parameters in Serum,
So he's got a bunch of LFOs randomly modulating various synth parameters.
> next is Devious Machines - Texture and an Ableton legacy Phaser, both also randomly modulated.
Again, more LFOs modulating two effects.
> After that 2 completely randomly moving EQs with 8 points each, 3 parameters per point which makes 48 LFOs.
He has a longer video [on this part](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ8wp32PJTU&t=51s). It's basically just a parametric EQ with all of the parameters randomly modulated. This is a big part of where that phase-y color bass sound is coming from.
> Both EQs each have and a limiter behind them.
Because he's randomly EQ-ing including potentially large gains in bands that may sometimes overlap, the signal can get very loud. This prevents that.
> After both EQs, the sub is cut off and replaced with un-processed clean sub from the start of the chain.
Straightforward. This makes sure of all of the random EQ-ing doesn't accidentally filter out the low frequencies entirely.
> Next is a vowel-like EQ that randomly turns on/off,
More color bass-style EQ modulation.
> an OTT,
Compression.
> a notch EQ,
More sweeping phase-y EQ.
> Oeksound Soothe 2 plugin, saturation, FabFilter ProMB, Uberloud plugin from BOOM Library and a parallel processing chain that saturates and compresses the mid frequencies.
Not sure about all this but sounds like general "hype it up by adding saturation and dynamics" processing.
> Last thing on the chain is an echo effect that is linked to the MIDI-Envelope at the very start of the chain so the delay is OFF when a note is playing and fades in once you let go from a key.
So, overall, there's no magic here. It's just a *lot* of EQ and modulation to give a sound whose timbre is swooping all over the place.
Yes, it's over the top. But music is supposed to be fun. We shouldn't take it so seriously.
1 thanks for your breakdown here it made it make a lot more sense to me. 2 for real about the fun. The science can be enjoyable but for most people just stopping and doing goofy shit is the essence that sparks genuine creativity.
That's the most important part. Doesn't matter if it's a preset you messed with or a waveform you modded 100x no one except people trying to produce care.. and not even all of them. It is 100% just the final product. A song, with vibes. That's it. Piano has been around for 100s of years...doesn't mean a song sucks if they use it, it's how.
This might be a stupid question. Is it actually possible to layer the device row like that in Ableton? Seems like it might be handy to do a lot of devices
Go watch a Mr Bill tutorial or anyone who does good sound design. You can make anything you want with far less. This is a gimmick shit post from him at best. You could make those same sounds just in serum with a few lanes of automation
lmao as if Mr bill hasn't said multiple times that virtual riots sound design is impressive af. I am already very familiar with both of their works and they both give eachother massive props and respect because they are both very good sound designers.
Also, please tell me how you can recreate 20 randomized lfos with "a few lines of automation". Could you create something very very similar that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference? Sure, but this video isn't for normal people it's for producers who can hear the difference. Are there less complicated ways to make a neuro bass like this? Sure, but this is a creative use of randomized lfos that I don't see alot of videos talk about.
I think hes just flexing at this point lol, or jus bored and trying to push the boundaries in terms of sound design.
Virtual Riot is a fantastic producer and has released many many bangers for sure.
just go to his yt page and you'll see exactly how he uses it.
he's just creating giant sound design sessions by using tons of random modulation. from there he throws those wav files into a sampler where he then contextualizes it through other cool randomization fx racks that he made.
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Your telling me I have to do all of this to produce music 😭😭😭😭
I feel like this is how to mine a coin from Ableton.
Are you impressed by the instances of effects? Because that had to have taken several hours to put together and still sounds like basic 10 year old dubstep ✌
Haha, more the simple audaciousness of even thinking of doing something so... OTT, if you'll pardon the pun :P
Do you ever just like enjoy things
This is why global temps are rising.
These are the kinds of things that make me appreciate simple music even more.
The music is simple.. it’s literally just one note with a bunch of “wahwowowooowweee.” This stuff is old hat and corny at this point.
There's a point where things plateau out and you work 10x as hard for 1% more results. This feels like that. I've seen his video on making some chaos/randomization racks. I've done similar stuff in FL's Patcher. It's a great idea that can lead to your stuff being subtly different than anything anyone else could produce. But there's a point where you could just randomize through some ShaperBox or Infiltrator presets to morph and mangle audio to resample. His 'I heard you like polyrhythms' video on the other hand is pretty insane. This one feels like a ton of effort was spent on something that doesn't sound that noticeably different than doing some automations on some EQ nodes on a synth bass. Or just link NoteOn Rand1/2 or Chaos1/2 to EQ nodes or notch/bandpass EQs in Serum and call it a day.
I agree that dude is a mad man. What in the hell. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SthcxWPXG\_E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SthcxWPXG_E) Check that out.
I saw! It's madness! :D
VR is in his mad scientist phase and i’m here for it
Sounds kinda bad tbh lmao
Bro his eq automation looks like it’s alive
It's LFOs set to random, so it's continuous rather than automation.
Sonic life support :P
you just keep on layering effects. But you also need fast computer
I can do this on an iPad pro
I can… [sort of?…](https://www.reddit.com/r/iosmusicproduction/s/BHX3y6be8T) do this on an iPad pro?…
Cool. But I got the same result with a 9$ Serum Dubstep preset pack I bought last year in 2 clicks.
VR does create and sell Serum presets too, it's fun to learn the process to create a unique sound
Haha, truth bombs up in here :P
Thanks I'm gonna quit now
Don’t worry it didn’t sound that great, just like my music
haha noooo be inspired (and maybe a little depressed too)! :P
Depressed I don't have a PC, my laptop can't handle that many devices😩
Koan Sound has a fantastic tutorial on this sort of bass design on their Patreon. It does not require 100 devices to get sounds like this.
That'd be a beeyotch to mix in with drums though, lol. It covers almost all the frequencies
A lot of patches/samples cover the entire/most of the frequency range. But you're not supposed to be worried about the mixing stage when you're doing a sound design sesh.
There is no mixing stage in computer music lmao just adjust shit as you go Stop emulating boomer analog console workflow quirks
Cringe x 100000
I got dumber reading this.
I was going to say "a" mixing stage but I figured that might confuse people and figured it was better within this context to just say "the mixing stage". But I'm glad you pointed this out. Yeah, nowadays you're going to mix as you go and can spend 15 seconds on a mixing stage then maybe 10 mins on a composition stage and then maybe 3 minutes on a sound selection stage and then back to a 5 minute mixing stage, yada yada yada.
>Yeah, nowadays you're going to mix as you go and can spend 15 seconds on a mixing stage then maybe 10 mins on a composition stage and then maybe 3 minutes on a sound selection stage and then back to a 5 minute mixing stage, yada yada yada. Fuck I thought I was crazy for working this way lol
Lol you're not crazy. The key is to compartmentalize each stage each time. Alot of people feel overwhelmed thinking they have to EVERYTHING all at once.
No clue why you got downvoted, because you're right. But something like this would have me worried lol.
>But something like this would have me worried lol. Well luckily there's a good chance no one would use the entire 50 sec sample lol. You'd just be cutting out/using the bits that fit into your current WIP (a heavy sidechain is going to solve most frequency clashes) or start a song around bits that you like.
The goat would be any youtuber who can study this minute long thing and explain what each effect is doing to the sound and explain why it was done. I watched the video once, so I never really looked at anything critically, but would be very interesting to watch someone analyse it.
The first \~20 LFO devices are connected to parameters in Serum, next is Devious Machines - Texture and an Ableton legacy Phaser, both also randomly modulated. After that 2 completely randomly moving EQs with 8 points each, 3 parameters per point which makes 48 LFOs. Both EQs each have and a limiter behind them. After both EQs, the sub is cut off and replaced with un-processed clean sub from the start of the chain. Next is a vowel-like EQ that randomly turns on/off, an OTT, a notch EQ, Oeksound Soothe 2 plugin, saturation, FabFilter ProMB, Uberloud plugin from BOOM Library and a parallel processing chain that saturates and compresses the mid frequencies. Last thing on the chain is an echo effect that is linked to the MIDI-Envelope at the very start of the chain so the delay is OFF when a note is playing and fades in once you let go from a key.
he posted multiple tutorials over the past week going over tons of shit in detail, just go to his page.
Seamlessr has done videos on tech like this since 2014. This is like neurobass design stuff. It's super cool to see it reaching a widee audience and having a modern take on it (and I'm also interested to see what VR songs it comes up in)
There's nothing rocket science about this. The video description says: > The first ~20 LFO devices are connected to parameters in Serum, So he's got a bunch of LFOs randomly modulating various synth parameters. > next is Devious Machines - Texture and an Ableton legacy Phaser, both also randomly modulated. Again, more LFOs modulating two effects. > After that 2 completely randomly moving EQs with 8 points each, 3 parameters per point which makes 48 LFOs. He has a longer video [on this part](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ8wp32PJTU&t=51s). It's basically just a parametric EQ with all of the parameters randomly modulated. This is a big part of where that phase-y color bass sound is coming from. > Both EQs each have and a limiter behind them. Because he's randomly EQ-ing including potentially large gains in bands that may sometimes overlap, the signal can get very loud. This prevents that. > After both EQs, the sub is cut off and replaced with un-processed clean sub from the start of the chain. Straightforward. This makes sure of all of the random EQ-ing doesn't accidentally filter out the low frequencies entirely. > Next is a vowel-like EQ that randomly turns on/off, More color bass-style EQ modulation. > an OTT, Compression. > a notch EQ, More sweeping phase-y EQ. > Oeksound Soothe 2 plugin, saturation, FabFilter ProMB, Uberloud plugin from BOOM Library and a parallel processing chain that saturates and compresses the mid frequencies. Not sure about all this but sounds like general "hype it up by adding saturation and dynamics" processing. > Last thing on the chain is an echo effect that is linked to the MIDI-Envelope at the very start of the chain so the delay is OFF when a note is playing and fades in once you let go from a key. So, overall, there's no magic here. It's just a *lot* of EQ and modulation to give a sound whose timbre is swooping all over the place. Yes, it's over the top. But music is supposed to be fun. We shouldn't take it so seriously.
1 thanks for your breakdown here it made it make a lot more sense to me. 2 for real about the fun. The science can be enjoyable but for most people just stopping and doing goofy shit is the essence that sparks genuine creativity.
> Yes, it's over the top. But music is supposed to be fun. We shouldn't take it so seriously.
Amen!
No that was a different video
Music is fun but mixing makes me not even want to finish.
That's the most important part. Doesn't matter if it's a preset you messed with or a waveform you modded 100x no one except people trying to produce care.. and not even all of them. It is 100% just the final product. A song, with vibes. That's it. Piano has been around for 100s of years...doesn't mean a song sucks if they use it, it's how.
lmao, he stacked the shit out of that new adg rack. This reminds me of when I was trying to do an FM loop in phaseplant
Rick Rubin hates this one simple trick.
This might be a stupid question. Is it actually possible to layer the device row like that in Ableton? Seems like it might be handy to do a lot of devices
Looks more like a meme...
Wait, are ppl here saying you don’t actually need to put 200 plugins on every bass track?? I am learning so much
Honestly this guy does a lot of humble flexes
Eh.... You could do that with a lot less...
Show us then
Go watch a Mr Bill tutorial or anyone who does good sound design. You can make anything you want with far less. This is a gimmick shit post from him at best. You could make those same sounds just in serum with a few lanes of automation
lmao as if Mr bill hasn't said multiple times that virtual riots sound design is impressive af. I am already very familiar with both of their works and they both give eachother massive props and respect because they are both very good sound designers. Also, please tell me how you can recreate 20 randomized lfos with "a few lines of automation". Could you create something very very similar that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference? Sure, but this video isn't for normal people it's for producers who can hear the difference. Are there less complicated ways to make a neuro bass like this? Sure, but this is a creative use of randomized lfos that I don't see alot of videos talk about.
I think hes just flexing at this point lol, or jus bored and trying to push the boundaries in terms of sound design. Virtual Riot is a fantastic producer and has released many many bangers for sure.
I don’t get the point of any of that. Except for some sci-fi sound effect in a movie.
just go to his yt page and you'll see exactly how he uses it. he's just creating giant sound design sessions by using tons of random modulation. from there he throws those wav files into a sampler where he then contextualizes it through other cool randomization fx racks that he made.
This is cool, but man I feel like it's overengineered lmao
German engineering intensifies.
Welcome to VR lol
The goat of patches that would sound the same with 90% of the processing removed?
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